September 22nd, 2011

Oborne Has Guilty €urophiles Squirming

Younger readers will not know that “Guilty Men” was a book written by Michael Foot,  Frank Owen and Peter Howard, published in 1940, attacking the leading establishment figures of the day for their appeasement of Nazi Germany in the 1930s. As denunciations go it is the classic and an equal to Émile Zola’s J’accuse. Peter Oborne and Francis Weaver have entitled their new pamphlet to be published by the CPS tomorrow Guilty Men in a conscious echo of that great score settler. It is a coruscating attack on those who would have entangled Britain in the disastrous euro.

Their premise is that “Very rarely in political history has any faction or movement enjoyed such a complete and crushing victory as the Conservative Eurosceptics. The field is theirs. They were not merely right about the single currency, the greatest economic issue of our age — they were right for the right reasons.” This is not a mere opus of a gloat, they name and shame the establishment figures who shamelessly exaggerated, lied and eulogised on behalf the euro and the European Project and have yet to apologise for the disaster they would have wrought. The institutions who are guilty include the CBI, BBC and of course the Financial Times. The guilty men include the shameless pundits who smeared their opponents, for example David Aaronovitch, who compared David Owen to Oswald Moseley and Enoch Powell because the founder of the SDP had become sceptical of the wisdom of the euro currency. Andrew Rawnsley, Chris Patten, Tony Blair, Peter Mandelson, Michael Heseltine, Ken Clarke, Charles Kennedy, Danny Alexander and from business Niall FitzGerald, Adair Turner and David Simon figure among the guilty men. It is instructive and amusing to remind ourselves of the hysterical claims and wild accusations made by these europhiles. Though this isn’t referred to in the text, it occurs to Guido that many of the same guilty men are currently making the same kind of hysterical claims about global warming.

Oborne has employed his usual panache in delivering the charges. It is well worth reading if you enjoy the thought of europhiles squirming guiltily. 


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  1. 1
    Billy Bowden is the greatest umpire ever ! says:

    The only thing Gordon got right even tho for the wrong reasons.

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      Proof Reader says:

      Being compared to Enoch Powell is not a smear. It is a complement.

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        scusemeq says:

        Proof reader – your moniker is inapt. it is compliment not complement. Oh and Guido, ‘coruscating’ means ‘ giving off intermittent flashes of light’. Is that what you meant, in your review?

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          Albert Hall says:

          Gordon Bennett! Check your own spelling before making inept critical comments.

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          Sir William Waad says:

          Scusemeq was also right to use ‘inapt’. It means ‘unsuitable’. ‘Inept’ means clumsy or incompetent.

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          • Road_Hog says:

            Nope, I don’t think he meant to refer to him as inept. I think he (correctly) meant to say that his user name is not apt, therefore inapt is correct.

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          • Sir William Waad says:

            That’s what I meant. Was I unclear?

            The 1930s socialist leader’s surname was spelt ‘Mosley’, while we’re at it.

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          • Seb coe's a cunt says:

            Nurse,nurse my Ovaltine please PLEASE !! (couple of mogadon too ?)

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          Doris says:

          Inapt?? Surely you mean INEPT, a word that should be familiar to you.

          And if that is a full stop after ‘inapt’ then it should be followed by a capital letter.

          Also, ‘Oh’ is usually followed by a comma.

          Thought for the day: “People in glass houses etc etc”

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          • Sir Bufton Tufton says:

            Doris dear – see above. You’re absolutely right of course, apart from your faux pas concerning inapt.

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          ta says:

          Christ! This bloke reminds me of my old English teacher; (that was over fifty years ago) & a miserable old git he was too! ‘scuse me Sir, can I go to the toilet please?

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        Tax Payer says:

        Peter Jay’s career is not exactly without mistakes?

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          Greychatter says:

          Is that the Peter Jay that was married to Jim Callaghan’s daughter? The daughter who worked for the BBBC and is now in the House of Lords?

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          • Billy Bowden is the greatest umpire ever ! says:

            i thought he was comedian from up north?

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          • Tax Payer says:

            aka ‘The Neck’, yes

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          • Iloathlefties says:

            Keep up Guido, they don’t call it global warming anymore as there hasn’t been any!! So they changed it to “climate change”. In a few years they’ll have to change it again to justify the green taxes to something else!!!!!!!
            Lets build some more windmills that don’t work but Dave Camerons father in law doesn’t care as he trousers £1000 per week

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          • Archer Karcher says:

            Err, I hate to break bad news, but Dave’s in law, pockets rather more than £1000 per week. He gets £1000 a day.

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          Seb coe's a cunt says:

          NOW THAT’S A NAME TO GOOGLE !! (sorry caps on ).

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      • 130
        J Enoch Powell says:

        Jesus F Christ Proof Reader, if you’re going to pose as one of my supporters at least learn to effing spell.

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          David Laws Lib Dem fiddler says:

          Chris Patten was not put in charge of the BBC Trust for his achievement s in life- there are’t any. He and his deputy are there to secure a mild liberal/conservatism while promoting the Pan- European State that Guilty Men want so much. It has already been demonstrated that Patten can not fulfil the role without being in breach of the terms of his EU pension. Both he and his deputy can not claim to promote the impartiality conduct of the BBC when they have taken the Euro or spoken for the Euro on such a robust basis. Once more, Cameron knows this.

          It is not a coincidence that so many “Guilty Men” are in the cabinet and Cameron could have chosen any of his MPs like John Redwood for example to be the Chief Secretary to the Treasury (after all the Lie Dumb one left because of false accounting yet to be investigated by the police). Redwood puts forward a cogent argument to promote growth, deal with bankers and the budget. Why aren’t his talents being used??? Eurosceptic. Clegg, Cable and Alexander all beat the drum of Euroland this week including words of one syllable that the HRA must stay- why? It is so Fcked up and creates a perverse society where criminals are rewarded like keeping Mugabe’s henchman here, rapists here so and and so forth.

          Remember, Clegg wrote that “all nations have a cross to bear, and none more so than Germany with its memories of Nazism. But the British cross is more insidious still. A misplaced sense of superiority, sustained by delusions of grandeur and a tenacious obsession with the last war, is much harder to shake off”.[38][39] The article was dusted down during the 2010 General Election campaign when the Daily Mail interpreted the article as being a “Nazi slur on Britain” What else could it be interpreted as?? Wiper Clegg and chums off the map ASAP before we all come under German rule, including Patten, Clark and the rest of the “Guilty Men”.

          Apology required from the BBC for the socialist Euro bias contrary to its code of conduct and purpose. No more licence fee commercial the Corp ASAP.

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        Barroso the Marxist says:

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        Anonymous says:

        I agree, proof reader, but shouldn’t be compliment (with an i)?

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      Tired, tired, tired of excuses says:

      Just about every other leading politician of our time got it wrong. Being a eurosceptic was the kiss of death for one’s political career. When will these treasonous vipers be held to account? Not while the great British public continue to back the career focused thieves that infest public office.

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    • 129
      The Bishop of Bath and Wells says:

      A bit like Satan getting Christ crucified !

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    • 149
      AC1 says:

      Not cheap on Kindle? A very silly mistake.

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    • 182
      The Grim Reaper says:

      In today’s “Telegraph” Oborne singles out the BBC as the chief cheerleader for the National Socialist dream of a 1000 Year Euro Reich.

      The BBC is the single most dangerous institution in the UK today. It is a demented, half-crazed agitprop body that has played a significant part in our near national collapse.

      It has supported or openly sympathised with student violence, TUC ignorance, rioters, IRA, Hamas, Cuba, Iran, Hezbollah and North Korea through it’s staff twitter nonsense, it’s programming, it’s editorials, it’s website. All are filled with sinister and misleading propaganda.

      It’s maps on Israel-Palestine, for example – are a complete and utter falsehood, a lie designed to further demonise the one Jewish state.

      It’s bizarre obsession with Israel is weird and beyond all proportionality – particularly at it hardly had a journalist available to cover the Arab Spring. Sky beat them hands down but perhaps all they staff were on freebies covering the summer rock festivals.

      The BBC likes to talk up the Occupied Territories but mysteriously never once referred to Eastern Europe as being “occupied” by the Communists – the natural allies of the BBC, a state run propaganda machine.

      Today, the active promotion of Islam over all other belief systems have replaced the adoration of the former Soviet Union. It particularly abuses Christians, Sikhs and Hindus. Typically, on the tenth anniversary of the 9-11 tragedy, this nasty organisation held a discussion on ” are Muslims being demonised?” Well, fuck me……

      The BBC is pro climate change (having invested our money in related organisations); it regularly abuses it’s Charter. It is obsessed with Left Wing ideology and confronts the Coalition at every opportunity. They regularly “interview” the Left and interrogate the Right. As Oborne shows the inbalance over Europe is damning and measurable.

      The BBC is now a worldwide laughing stock – few other countries rely on this nationalised entity for facts and balanced coverage.

      Essentially, it is now run by renegades – the equivalent of the Cambridge spies like Burgess and Maclean. The senior management have totally lost control . Middle and line managers – journalists, editors, producers run the show – infiltrating creepy left wing bias into every documentary, drama and news broadcast.

      I recommend that the BBC be taken into the courts and that a legal campaign been established to challenge this Evil Empire. The case is open and shut.

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        misterned says:

        I wish that they had the thumbs back only for this comment of yours, The Grim Reaper. Spot on and 10/10.

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        BBC {press the red bottom} says:

        Thank you for your letter.
        We have so far been unable to reply as unfortunately all correspondence that does not originate from the Labour party press office or Guardian media group is filed under “Toxic hospital waste – burn immediately.”

        While you await our reply why not read this leaflet on easy ways to pay your television licence? Its got Alexander Armstrong in it!

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      • 215
        Seb coe's a cunt says:

        I can see by the spittle flecked rant that you are an ex (shit upon) member
        of said organisation. Go to vbs.com to see the dire straits of
        the poor people there.
        People please use the greatest gift that we have THE INTERNET !
        ‘want REAL info search online (but use at least 3 points of reference !!!!

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      • 225
        Londoner says:

        One of the best commentators on this site. A blog , Mr Grim please?

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      • 233
        MrAngry61 says:

        Well done, Reaper.

        Repost your opinion on the Biased-BBC blog – it’d receive a warm welcome.

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      • 241
        AC1 says:

        The TV-Tax ensures hard-left employees are ascendant.

        Go subscription, watch it’s staff contortions…

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          Tricoteuse in Waiting says:

          There are many sturdy lampposts on the approach to the ‘BBC Village’ in White City. But if you attempt to take photos of these potentially-useful devices, at least two uniformed security guards will come racing up and tell you you can’t take pics because all around you is owned by the BBC and it is “Private Property.” (Translation: licence fee payers eff off!)
          Curiously, these security guards all appear to be of the Islamic faith. More curiously, when a mob of Islamists, fired up by rumours that Starbucks is owned by Israelis, descended on the BBC Village and trashed the local Starbucks, these same security guards were nowhere to be seen!

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        BBC re-butt-al unit says:

        Thank you for your comment. We have carefully conidered it in our “another f**king right wing letter” department and have concluded that, under the circumstances, we have “got it about right” yet again, as always.

        Don’t forget that while travellers don’t have to pay their TV tax, you do – and we have your address now. You krypto-fascist running dog.

        PS just wait for the BBC extravaganza of grief when the Maximum Leader finally dies.

        Viva Fidel.

        BBC,
        The Glen,
        Hampstead

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      • 366
        Leopoldo Galtieri says:

        The Argentine military

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          Old Dixie says:

          What about “The Argentine military”?

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          • 2 amigo says:

            Are very grateful to the BBC for providing some “balance” in battle for Malvinas.

            SAS were using concealed spotters on Argentine mainland, but we had no such facility to observe operations within exclusion zone, until BBC embedded staff re-balanced situation.
            It nearly tipped the balance back to us but for the grit of british troops. respect.
            Thanks anyway to BBC, you tried your best.

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        rapscallion says:

        Right on the effing money Grim, the BBC need taking to court for treason. Hey we can even tell them that as they love the EU system so fucking much, they’ll by tried under Corpus Juris. We bang them up indefinately whilst we ‘gather evidence” After their trial we execute them. Sorted.

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        Ruth Kelly's plaything says:

        Agree with all of that, but please sort out your apostrophes.

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    • 213
      Ted says:

      Guido – it really is time you gave Gordon some credit for keeping Britain out of the Euro, but only as much as you would thank a burglar for flushing the loo while he turned over your house.

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        nmj says:

        Just because he got something right by mistake, lets not go overboard here.

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      • 393
        rapscallion says:

        Ted, Brownclown kept us out of the Euro for two reasons only. 1. He’s a fucking control freak – so he won’t want to lose control of a currency now will he? and 2. It fucked Bliar right off.

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    • 379
      TONY BENN'S WILL says:

      Napoleon wanted to rule Europe…result BIG WAR
      The Keiser wanted to rule Europe …result BIG WAR
      Hitler wanted to rule Europe …result BIG WAR
      Whenever anyone tries to rule Europe as one power there is a BIG WAR
      Discus

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  2. 2
    Billy Bowden is the greatest umpire ever ! says:

    Just read a piece on a leftie blog but got stuck on the phrase “ethical socialisim”

    What is ethical about remove rights , freedom and wealth from the working class?

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  3. 3
    John says:

    Anyone else reminded of the episode of Father Ted where Ted wins the Golden Cleric award and gives a three hour acceptance speech explaining why he was right and everyone else was variously liars, eejits, bastards etc.

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        misterned says:

        nope, me neither. More like a feeling that there has finally been an awakening by parasitic bastard traitors to see that they have been completely fucking wrong all along and what was blindingly obvious to any rational human being from back when John Major was pushing for a soft and a hard ECU (remember them) that the single, one-size-fits-all currency would NOT ever even come close to being a stable and sustainable idea without a complete political and economic integration at the same time.

        There was no way in hell that the different countries of the then EEC would ever get their populations to agree to be governed totally and completely by foreigners, without being defeated by them in war, so the politicians went as far as they would dare, lying their assess off in the process of giving away bucketfulls of national sovereignty that was not theirs to give away.

        We may, (with a huge amount of luck) be reaching a reckoning. A time when common sense prevails and we are offered a choice by way of a referendum as to whether we want to spend trillions more rescuing the Eurozone by joining and integrating fully into a single sovereign country called Europe with a single chancellor, a single economic plan, a single army, president, foreign secretary and single policies Europe wide. We are most of the way there, but that last economic step has yet to be made to destroy the last real vestige of nationhood for individual nation states.

        Or we could choose independence, self-determination and free ourselves of the massive choking bureaucratic burden of the EU to trade freely with the 4 BILLION plus new potential consumers on this planet and create a massively profitable, rich and free nation.

        Whatever, we must be given that choice. The EU is a dying failed institution from a bygone dark age. I think it is time to get out of the EU.

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          Ruth Kelly's plaything says:

          “Whatever, we must be given that choice.”

          Yup, quite right. And what will happen if we are given a choice? The organs of mass communication, with the sole exception of the Daily Mail, will twist and bend their reporting to ensure that we all vote the correct way. And, if by some fluke we vote the wrong way, they’ll keep on requiring us to vote again – until such time as they give up on us and bribe Parliament to remove the need for a further referendum, a simple parliamentary majority beiung deemed sufficient.

          My fear is that the total number of persons within our political class who are either deluded enough to see nothing wrong with the EU, plus those who will obey party whips, plus those whose votes are for sale (probably in return for juicy jobs in Brussels) is greater than the total of followers of the Blessed John Redwood and his ilk.

          If that is so, we shall never escape from the coils of this serpent.

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      • 227
        Seb coe's a cunt says:

        Leaving the seminary i found OUR LORD in masturbation.

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      Jabba the Cat says:

      Isn’t that the Irish kiddy fiddler comedy show?

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      • 144
        Cardinal Brady says:

        Shhhh…… please keep these sorts of thoughts to yourself. Anyway, its hardly kiddies, most of them are fully grown boys.

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  4. 4
    Harriet Harman says:

    I was right all along.

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    Andrew Efiong says:

    These people have been proved utterly wrong but what of the imbeciles across the water who created the currency and who continue to think the Euro can work? People are losing their jobs and savings because of these people.

    A critical book is not enough, they must be held to account.

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      Tax Payer says:

      Greece has reduced the civil service by another 10,000. The number of people being paid, however, remains the same.

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        Politicians are CUNTS says:

        apparently the total to lose work will be 30,000 civil servants within a year.

        Soon most of the world will be unemployed whilst the rich elites enjoy their lives in peace and wealth – global corruption rules okay

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          misterned says:

          Wrong. They are reducing the salaries of 30,000. They cannot afford to make them redundant as the redundancy package would cost more than reducing their salaries. The thing is, many of them never turn up to work anyway. They have 4 times the number of school teachers per pupil as we have in the UK as most of them are on long-term sickness.

          We may think that the left took the piss in this country, (and they did), but in Greece they really took taking the piss to a whole new level!!!

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          • Jabba the Cat says:

            For anyone who has ever wondered what would have happened had Kinnochio won the elections back in the day and not Thatcher, look no further than Greece…

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      • 143
        Cat says:

        :-)

        Fiddling while Athens burns!

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        Seb coe's a cunt says:

        Whoopee cheaper (& faster) souvlaki.

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    Shame Ted Heath wasn’t about…he’d have been up for a spot of treachery.

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      Charles Flaccidwidger says:

      Ahhh, the imbecilic Heath, the man who gave away fishing rights at the drop of a hat.

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      • 96
        Tax Payer says:

        Was it Bevan said this nation is built on coal and surrounded by fish?

        The coal is still there, abandoned in a fit of pique by Thatcher. And the fish have been given away.

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        • 115
          Archer Karcher says:

          Actually Tony Benn closed many more mines than Thatcher and thirteen years of Labour misrule never opened one.

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        • 156
          AC1 says:

          Those coal miners were mining taxpayer’s wallets not coal.

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          • Tax Payer says:

            Most of ‘those coal miners’ were the bravest, hardest working, and honest men you’ll ever meet. They earned their money twice over.

            If we had 10 of them in government we wouldn’t be in the sh*t we’re in now.

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          • Lord Stansted says:

            Coal mining? It was just a job – not the route to sainthood.

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          • Tax Payer says:

            You wouldn’t do it. M’Lord.

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          • AC1 says:

            and now they do earn their money, rather than take it from taxpayers for subsidising them going down a hole and digging.

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          • East India Company wallah says:

            This country has the most efficient coalmines in Europe today-opencast with very few fatalities compared with the old regime

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          • Seb coe's a cunt says:

            Just to let you know,the coal mined in the UK is far cleaner than
            the cheap stuff imported from eastern europe.

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          • The Bottle Fed Triplet says:

            Melvin Barg did a programme recently on old films of coal miners. He said it was the most dangerous job in Britain. Then later in the programme he corrected himself by saying the most dangerous job on land.

            Look at the statistics for trawlermen and the merchant navy, I think you will find that there are more dangerous jobs than mining, but not many.

            I wouldn’t want my son to go down a mine.

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          misterned says:

          Thatcher brought a bit of sanity to mining. I remember a lorry driver friend who used to turn up to mines to deliver pit props to a mine that had no more coal in it. The unions insisted on the mine remaining open and the miners employed to keep it working, without taking any of the non-existent coal out. They would turn up to work, and spend all day in the canteen watching TV, playing pool drinking tea and reading newspapers and then go home to a full day’s pay.

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    Ichabod says:

    I wonder if any contributor has ever read the original ‘ Guilty Men’. I have always avoided it because I suspect it was/is a piece of left wing myth making and blame avasion–although I think that Peter Howard was a Tory MP. But wasn’t Foot ( not the most honourable of politicians) anti and famously re-armament during the 1930’s ? . And wasn’t Labour during that decade characterised by ostrich like pacifism ?

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      genghiz the kahn says:

      Pre War Labour MPs voting for Chamberlain or Baldwin’s rearmanent (Spitfires, Hurricanes, Radar, King George V battleships) must have been as rare as snowfalls in the Scilly Islands in June.

      Guilty Men was a convenient way of throwing shit at Chamberlain and Co, whilst forgetting Labour’s deeper commitment to unilateral disarmanent.

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        Tax Payer says:

        True, but the book had a significant impact at the time, fair or not.

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        CYNICAL OLD MAN says:

        Michael Foot’s wonderful Labour Party at one of their party conferences in the mid-thirties voted for the abolition of the R.A.F. as party policy. It shows Labour have ALWAYS been wrong on the most important issues.

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          CYNICAL OLD MAN says:

          I also recall Foot being editor of the Daily Mirror in 1940 when he came very close to being arrested and the paper closed down for printing demoralising left wing editorials and stories. It seems his editorials were having an adverse effect on the war effort on the Home Front.

          Piers Moron continued the tradition with the printing of fake pictures of squaddies pissing on an Iraqui prisoner.

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    • 258
      The Bottle Fed Triplet says:

      Don’t forget Michael Foot’s undying support for Uncle Joe. Where was Foot when the Stalin was imprisoning, starving and executing the Ukrainians in the thirties?

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      Binqu says:

      Much of the parliamentary Labour Party remained objectively pro-Nazi until the late 1930s:

      1. Large scale British re-armament began in 1935 but this was stridently opposed by almost all sections of the PLP. In 1934 the Labour conference had voted for the scrapping of all weapons of national defence, and in 1936, a week after Hitler’s entry into the Rhineland, 114 Labour M.P.s (from a total of 154) voted for the complete abolition of the R.A.F. and the Naval air service.

      2. Labour intellectuals such as George Bernard Shaw remained pro-Hitler well into the war. In February 1938, impressed by reports of Hitler’s ethnic cleansing, he had written to Beatrice Webb asserting ‘the right of states to make eugenic experiments by weeding out any strains that they think undesirable';

      3. Sir Stafford Cripps, who later sat in the wartime Cabinet, was calling on workers to sabotage re-armament as late as May 1938 (that is, after the anschluss – the Nazi invasion of Austria): ‘The workers must now make it clear beyond all doubt that they will not support the Government or its armaments in its mad policy which it is now pursuing’ (Hansard 23 May 1938); many other Labour M.P.s including Nye Bevan and David Kirkwood took the same line. Bevan was to remain an opponent of the ‘unconditional surrender’ policy throughout the war;

      3. A total of 136 Tory MPs served in the armed forces between 1939 and 1945, of whom 10 were killed in action. A total of 14 socialist MPs (both Labour and National Labour) served in the forces in the same period. None of these members lost their lives.

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        My grandmother would never allow bad language in the home. We never referred to the “Labour Party”, they were always “bastards”.

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      • 384
        Stick Insect says:

        Thank you Binqu, very erudite post.
        Bit revealing – especially the number of socialist MPs who went to fight for their country.
        Hansard 1939 is also revealing when Bevan was forced to admit Germany had achieved air parity with the UK.

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        General Sir Philip Michael Hunt says:

        Excellent stuff, thanks!

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    Steve Miliband says:

    Where’s Clegg?

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    Bill d'Sarse says:

    It’s not just the fact that they were wrong as individuals, it is the fact that the organisations involved (BBC, FT et al) were filled with plecemen to promote the ‘success’ of the European project.

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    Lady Virginia Droit de Seigneur says:

    Many of the establishment figures who encouraged British entry into the Euro have gone strangely quiet in recent months. It really is the great lie of our times.

    BTW – Huhne the huhne’s name is absent from the list of protagonists as is Pantsdown.

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    Peter expat says:

    The Chinese are not likely to let the Euro or the USD collapse. They have too much invested in bonds. The Germans will sort out the Greeks.
    Sterling is an entirely different matter. Whilst it also suits the Chinese to uphold it for the same reason now, the day will come when they will remember the Opium Wars, feel strong enough and exact their revenge.
    As Sterling drops off a cliff, Britons will remember those Little Englanders who kept them out of the Euro. There is safety in numbers.

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    • 33
      jgm2 says:

      That’s what Brown thought when he copied Greenspan and Bush’s economic policy.

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    • 47
      Super Zuffle says:

      Except sterling is not going to drop off a cliff in fact it has gained %14 since it bottomed out against the Euro. For all the crap George Osbourne is getting he has a plan for cutting the deficit even if i personally think he has not gone far enough. Europe and America have there head in the sand and have still done feck all to sort their debt problems out. Europe and Americas answer to debt is more debt while that might keep the status quo in the short term watch both the dollar and euro drop off the cliff and sterling rise even further.

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      • 55
        jgm2 says:

        Scary thing is that the yanks announce they’re going to print 400bn dollars and the pound goes down in value against the USD.

        WTF is going on?

        How is that possible?

        We print 200bn quid and our currency loses 33% against the USD and the Euro. They print 400bn dollars and their currency goes up?

        WTF?

        It’s the end of days. It makes no fucking sense at all.

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        • 76

          Its because we print our pounds on PFI contracts.
          Each £5 printed costs £56.87 over 5 years.

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        • 83
          Super Zuffle says:

          Agreed

          But i think in the long term we at least have some sort of plan to sort out the deficit, i reckon by this time next year Greece will of defaulted which will send the euro over a cliff, America will have printed another 500bn which will devalue the the dollar further…..

          I hope I’m right as i get paid in Euros and have offloaded all into sterling, current fluctuations do not make sense as you say. One thing I’m pretty certain of is the Euro is screwed while they are not doing anything to sort out the debt problems!

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          Sir William Waad says:

          Movements of any financial market are essentially random, because each player is trying to guess what the other players will do, and all of those other players are trying to guess what all the other players will do.

          This is especially so when dealing with fiat currencies, where there are no ‘fundamentals’, just bits of printed paper or pixels on a screen, that have a value because people believe other people believe they have a value.

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          • jgm2 says:

            Movements of any financial market are essentially random, because each player is trying to guess what the other players will do

            Except we now know for a fact what the yanks are going to do. No guessing involved. They’re going to print 400bn quid. Surely that means their currency should devalue by (say) 5 or 10%?

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          • sockpuppet #4 says:

            One can add to that, that the players might form a consensus before the official news comes out.

            ie: they might all expect very bad news about the pound, place their bets as such, and when the news is merely bad, the pound goes up.

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          • Ah! Monika says:

            Exactly.

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          • sockpuppet #4 says:

            Shortening the above to reply to jgm2 :”they saw it coming”.

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          • Sir William Waad says:

            The important question is not what the Yanks will do but how other players in the currency markets will react to what the Yanks will do.

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          • misterned says:

            Most of the trades in the city are not made by people anymore. They are computer trades carried out in milliseconds by the biggest ‘too big to fail’ investment banks (the ones who received all that stolen bail out money from main St) and they programmed the computers to react to certain conditions to buy and sell shares, options, bonds, etc…

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        • 117
          Snake oil is the new black says:

          Remember we have fallen down the rabbit hole and try and keep sane !

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    • 58

      The Germans really aren’t going to sort out the Greeks. The Greeks cannot implement the austerity needed to get the borrowing. The Germans would have to bail them out every year for 5-10 years. Or let them leave the Euro and sort themselves out enough to possibly rejoin within 2-5 years.

      The Greeks are coming out of the Euro.

      Its just a case of the leaders trying to figure out a way to do it without taking out the other countries too. Of course they’ll pretend Greece is still in the Euro and there will be closer financial ties for the remaining countries, but effectively Greece will be out of the gang.

      The phrase “Temporary public ownership” was a euphemism that Brown/Darling were keen on. Greeks about to hear a similar misleading phrase soon.

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    • 82
      Jacky treehorne says:

      Shouldn’t your name be Neville the expat?

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  12. 19
    Neville Chamberpot says:

    ..I have in my hand… some sheets of paper… And a load of crap they are too..

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  13. 20
    Cage Fighting v Bull Running: Only One Way To Find Out says:

    But is it worth a tenner? And what is Peter jay’s involvement in all this?

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    • 50
      sockpuppet #4 says:

      Depends on what a tenner is worth.

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    • 68
      Jack says:

      Peter Jay’s claim to fame…

      Wiki “Peter Jay’s career took a surprising turn when he became Chief of Staff to Robert Maxwell during his most high-profile and controversial years…”

      Enough said…

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      • 71
        BBC producer (aided by a little of the white stuff) says:

        Peter Jay has judgement

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        • 361
          Airey Belvoir says:

          ‘Peter Jay has judgement’ – er, not in the matter of being caught shagging the nanny while Her Majesty’s Ambassador in Washington, leading to to his wife playing catch-up and the whole fiasco generating an embarrassing Hollywood film, then returning to work as personal bag-carrier and car-park administrator for one of the biggest, most uncouth and unpleasant criminals ever to steal several thousand pensions from his workers. Judgement, my arse.

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  14. 23
    Billy Bowden is the greatest umpire ever ! says:

    Next weeks caption contest prize?

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  15. 24
    Greychatter says:

    When the Euro was introduced friends of ours in Holland gave examples of the increased costs; previously a loaf of bread was 99 cents Dutch currency, immediately after the Euro it was 89 cent Euro, it gave the appearance of a reduced price but with the conversion rate difference the price was doubled over-night. The same happened with Childrens shoes.

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    • 242
      misterned says:

      Same thing happened with decimalisation in this country.

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      • 244
        misterned says:

        Mind you, can you imagine the kids of today trying to calculate prices with pounds shillings and pence? They can’t even cope with decimals.

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        • 356
          oddly helpful says:

          The fact is, the baseline of essential numeracy was devalued when decimalisation happened. Without being able to calculate the twelve times table in your head, the simplest shopping task was impossible.

          Being able to work out prices in Guineas was as good as being middle class.

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        • 363
          Bill d'Sarse says:

          Nope, but some do know L S D

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    • 371
      Fuggy says:

      The prices did not double overnight, however over the long time the €uro became the T€uro.

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  16. 29
    Round up the usual suspects says:

    Did Tony Blair and Peter Mandelson get anything right ?

    Gordon Brown was and is mad

    But the other two…

    Was New Labour just a vast, immoral, fraudulent Ponzi scheme ?

    Invented for their temporary self-aggrandisement ?

    And future money making ?

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  17. 30
    Mad spiteful Jock Brown says:

    But the only reason we did not join the Euro was because Blair wanted to and Gordon said no out of spite.

    The fact that Gordon sold all our Gold in exchange for Euros tells you all you need to know about Gordon’s real opinion of the Euro.

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    • 146
      W.W. says:

      Thats the irony of it all really.

      A raving mad man saved us from the mad decision of another raving madman. because he was mad with him.

      So we have to actually count ourselves lucky that the madman in number 10 was thwarted by the madman in number 11, even though he bankrupt the country, and was the joint worst Prime Minister in history (and in future).

      They should both have their heads on a pike outside Parliment.

      W.W.

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      • 201
        Johnny says says:

        “A raving mad man saved us from the mad decision of another raving madman. because he was mad with him.”

        Two wrong ‘uns made a right!

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    • 260
      misterned says:

      No, the reason we did not join the Euro is because John Major got an opt out! In spite of the BBC, The FT, the labour party and the liberal democrats all being strongly in favour of joining at the start. John Major faced them all down and won the opt-out.

      Then when labour got in, they chickened out of holding a referendum for membership in spite of constantly talking about their desire to join the Euro. They NEVER cautioned against joining. Just that they will join “when the time is right” which would have been as soon as an opinion poll suggested that they could have won a referendum on it!

      They did NOT keep us out of the euro, their cowardice failed to take us in. Notice the subtle but crucial difference.

      There is no way that labour should even begin to consider the merest shred of possibility of imagining for the slightest moment that they could try to take even the merest hint of credit for keeping us out of the Euro.

      British small businesses and the Great British public did that by constantly arguing against joining.

      Labour are becoming hysterical lying revisionists and we should NOT allow them to get away with it.

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      • 337
        MrAngry61 says:

        I can certainly remember hearing Humphrys giving Major a very bad time on Toady, Paxo style about “(considering) At some future date” meaning Never.

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      • 359
        oddly helpful says:

        So far as honest ‘revisionism’ is concerned, John Major may come to rank just behind Churchill as the finest British Prime Minister of the twentieth century.

        It will depend on whether you rank Baroness Thatcher as first, or third.

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  18. 34
    Billy Bowden is the greatest umpire ever ! says:

    you would think with recent events that the Euro sceptics would be all over the media sayin how they was right.

    Why are they not, Humilty or no platform?

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    • 63
      sockpuppet #4 says:

      “The crisis is brought on by one simple fact. These countries have borrowed too much.”

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    • 66

      The BBC red bottom help line

      We are sorry but we are experiencing high levels of demand for Dr Who and Strictly and the 700th edition of Never mind the Buzzcocks at the moment and don’t seem to have space for news. Please try again later.

      Preferably once Labour are back in power.

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    • 91
      sockpuppet #4 says:

      Of course, they have blogs these days. (Pity we can’t google their precise predictions all those years ago – I don’t trust them to remember their own failures.)

      I had a look what redwood has been on about and its been remarkably dull because its fairly reasonable and not making all sorts of big claims about how wonderfully crystaline his balls were.

      http://www.johnredwoodsdiary.com/2011/09/15/a-phone-call-to-save-the-euro/

      He’s even listing “what is needed for a successful single currency”

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      • 285
        misterned says:

        I would imagine that what he says about what is needed for a successful single currency (because I have read and listened to much of what he has said on the subject since the late 1980s) would be a full integration of every member state into a single political, economic and social country run by a single government to a right of centre free-market capitalist agenda. Only then could it have worked, but there is no way in hell that all the people in these member states would have agreed to such a final level of integration when the Euro started.

        We did not have that, could never have achieved that and so he was right that the Euro being set up in the ad-hoc and politically over ambitious and under thought out way was a recipe for disaster.

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      • 344
        MrAngry61 says:

        The cynicism of B-BBC Online is that they update/revise ‘new’ items using the same URL – so their website is a little like Orwell’s MiniTrue, in that Minute by minute, the past is brought up to date.

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  19. 35
    Jack says:

    Is there one real British politician who has come through the last 20 years of false gods with his/her reputation intact ?

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    • 45
      Steve Miliband says:

      Gordon Brown started as a shit politician and still is

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    • 54
      MrAngry61 says:

      Saint Margaret.

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    • 101
      Engineer says:

      John Redwood has been pretty consistent in his economic analyses. If a few more people had listened, we might not be so deep in the mire as we are.

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      • 127
        Tony Benn says:

        Unfortunately his swivel-eyed tendency discredits anything he says.

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        • 159
          Engineer says:

          You sound like a BBC Europhile, using their usual tactics of not countering the argument with facts or analyses, but just using baseless smears.

          Slither back under your flagstone.

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      • 396
        Widescreen2010 says:

        Unfortunately, Redwood is such a useless twat that on the few times that he says something sensible most people just dismiss it with the rest of the crap he churns out.

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        • 404
          Ruth Kelly's plaything says:

          ‘Useless twat’????

          He’s a Fellow of All Souls, FFS. (If you don’t know what that means, look it up and prepare to be impressed.) He speaks and writes clear and well-informed dogma-free analysis and prescription.

          Any fault lies not with him, but with the – to borrow your unlovely term – useless twats who are unable to hear/read and understand him.

          I’m sure the Greeks must have had a saying about useless twats who groundlessly cricitise their betters, but having been to grammar school I don’t know it.

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    • 388
      Stick Insect says:

      Margaret Thatcher

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  20. 36
    Tired, tired, tired of excuses says:

    WHERE’S MY FUCKING REFERENDUM?

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  21. 37
    Archer Karcher says:

    The guilty have done immense damage to this country and it’s people. Not only should they be named and shamed, they should be drummed out of public life forever. The pro EU cadre that infest politics, are a motley crew of traitors, spivs, liars and self enrichers, as you would find in any third world dictatorship.

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  22. 40
    Please give generously (to us) says:

    O/T but fascinating piece on Al Jezerra this morning on the incompetence of the NGOs post Hiatian hurricane . Spent only a fraction of the money they collected ( much on their staff) and provided a minimum of support for the population . UN troops introduced Cholera -unknown there before- due to bad sanitation. People now worse off than before.

    Always been suspicious of ( professional) do-gooders and large scale charities that appear to operate largely for their own benefit.

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    • 168
      AC1 says:

      There’s a surprise….
      NOT!

      If you’d been reading blogs for the last 5+ years you’d know about the UN’s epic level of corruption and incompetence.

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      • 195
        Mornington Crescent says:

        I always remember the whole armies of jounos who flooded Haiti just after the quake, pontificating about anything they could think of. Channel 4 was the worst: the sight of Johnathan Rugman strutting among the poor Haitians in his Polo Ralph Lauren shirt was beyond parody. The UN was God and anyone who dared question them was an extreme right-wing swivel-eyed loon.

        Haven’t heard much from them since, though. C’unts.

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    • 270
      Zephyer says:

      Very suspicious of that cholera story.
      Cholera normally follows a disaster where the water is contaminated. Even Japan had it after the quake and they didn’t have it before.

      Which is the more likely cause?

      – Vaccinated UN soldiers introduce disease.
      – 10,000 dead bodies in the water supply.

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      • 326
        sockpuppet #4 says:

        From memory they did tests on the precise strain of the bacteria.

        here we go:
        Cholera Strain in Haiti Matches Bacteria from South Asia
        “A team of researchers from Harvard Medical School, Brigham and Women’s Hospital, and Massachusetts General Hospital, with others from the United States and Haiti, has determined that the strain of cholera erupting in Haiti matches bacterial samples from South Asia and not those from Latin Americ”

        http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2010/12/101209185554.htm

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    • 345
      MrAngry61 says:

      Read The Lords of Poverty – a little out of date, but essentially huge NGOs/UNHCR etc are run for their own benefit, and undoubtedly do more harm than good.

      Charities are ‘harmless’, and may actually help. Mind you, that was before HMG started to use charities as NGOs…

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  23. 42
    Politicians are CUNTS says:

    Scotland Yard has obtained court orders for the media relating to footage of the ‘riots’ last month

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2011/sep/22/bbc-itn-sky-news-riots

    Seems they will not stop in their quest to get the ‘criminals’

    Pity they don’t do the same with the elites and politicians who get away with murder. Another year to wait before the copper who killed Ian Tomlinson goes to court.

    One law for them another one for the rest of us.

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    • 48
      Tax Payer says:

      Pity they didn’t go to the riots as they were happening and arrest the criminals ‘live’, as it were.

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      • 60
        jgm2 says:

        No. They preferred to sit safely in their stations to make a political point about what a bad idea it would be to fire so many of them.

        Personally I’d fire half the fuckers. They’re obviously all getting in each other’s way.

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      • 70
        Mike Hunt says:

        It was footage of the Police Farce doing SFA whilst youths of a certain colour went about smashing stuff up because a criminal druggy got shot.

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        • 113
          Snake oil is the new black says:

          Just like the Police standing by and watching extremists calling for the rest of us to be killed and beheaded. Oh but they caught some of them later they bleet. Oh yes you did but it took months of manpower at God knows how much expense to track them down when you could have arrested them there and then and saved the public purse time and money as well as sending out a message.
          Stupid pricks.

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          • AC1 says:

            They arrested some EDL people for the crime of being white on a bus in a muslim colony.

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          • Snake oil is the new black says:

            Mind You compared to the “hospitality” Bill Hayman accured such expenditure was a drop in the ocean.

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          • Fuggy says:

            It is not a colony it is

            1. A fucking disgrace to the majority.

            2. A UN enclave of Jihaddhist extremism.

            3. A state supported baby/benefit black hole.

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      • 348
        MrAngry61 says:

        I believe that initially the Police were wary of being hung out to dry if anyone complained about excessive force, wacism etc.

        After Manchester plods policed robustly without being portrayed as Stormtroopers, the rest of them grew a pair.

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        • 389
          Pseudonymous says:

          Wasn’t the outstanding feature of the Manchester rioters that they were, in contrast to the rest of the country, overwhelmingly AC1?

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    • 111
      Must get a pseudonym one day says:

      In Keighley, West Yorkshire, a uniformed Plod was caught on CCTV dumping litter at a popular fly-tipping spot.

      Local Plod bosses are saying they ‘might’ take some action “If it is proved”. PROVED, for f*ck’s sake ! It’s on CCTV you morons !

      But then Tomlinson’s killing was caught on camera – that’s Plod for you – utterly shameless, corrupt and arrogant. Fire them all.

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    • 176
      Arrest Every Last One of Them says:

      I take it you don’t live in an area where people were going home and locking their doors at 4pm in the afternoon.

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  24. 52
    Tired, tired, tired of excuses says:

    Until the voting public grow a pair and vote the fuckers out, all of them, we are stuck on the merry-go-round of two a half all in it together party politics. But waiting for the public to grow a pair is like waiting for Godot.

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  25. 57
    Billy Bowden is the greatest umpire ever ! says:

    now if only Guido had put his energy into a petition on membership of the EU instead of restoring vengence.

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  26. 62
    Lord Lucan says:

    Aaronovitch, Rawnsley, Patten, Blair, Mandelson, Heseltine, Clarke, Kennedy, Alexander and their Business friends need to be treated as disgusting traitors, quite willing to sell out precious British sovereignty for handful and magic Euro beans. They are all worse than Neville Chamberlain. They knew what they were doing. If they had any decency they would remove themselves from public life forever and spend the rest of their lives trying to come to terms with what they did…

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    • 77
      Mike Hunt says:

      Neville Chamberlain was an honourable man who’s crime was to believe that what Herr Hitler told him was the truth.

      His appeasement did however buy us time to rearm meaning we were in a much better state Sept 39 than we were in 38.

      The Euro fanatics are not fit to clean his boots in comparison.

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      • 347

        Unfortunately, though well argued, that is simply not true.
        Whilst we did rearm through 1939 so did the Nazis. And were able to do so much more quickly, and with much better equipment, having taken over the Skoda arms factories.
        On a piece for piece qty basis we would have been better off attacking in 1938.
        The Germans had a large artillery shell shortage in 1938. Equivalent of our 1916 crisis.
        They didn’t have ammo for their artillery beyond the first 5 days. They lacked the special materials necessary. But they found plenty of ammo and steel in Czechoslovakia.
        So that was all sorted out by 1940.

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    • 128
      Ah! Monika says:

      Perhaps another ” Comment of the Day”

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    • 261
      East India Company wallah says:

      Sadly these internationalists would argue the euro is threatened by Nations retaining any sovereignty at all-in their warped view we should eventually have equality with African shit-pits through economic damage and immigration

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  27. 67
    nell says:

    When you look at the likes of mandy it’s very easy to see why some of these people embraced the euro and the eu.

    When he went out there as a commissioner he was virtually penniless. Now he’s buying £8million houses and living the life of riley.

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    • 85
      I don't need no doctor says:

      But how can he afford a £8 million pound house. Where has the money come from?
      Someone out there must know, so spill the beans.

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      • 98
        Archer Karcher says:

        When you are EU trade minister, very important and lucrative deals have to be made, to get preferential status to trade within the EU. Of course complete secrecy regarding a commissioners dealings helps enormously. Why do you imagine the entire carbon charade is taking place? Tht’s right 2+2 is 4.

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      • 132
        Greychatter says:

        The Tax Payer, as with all the Champagne Socialists.

        Torys are criticised for their family wealth but the majority have expanded the wealth passed on from earlier generations.

        I’ve no problem with that – I object to the cynical Left wing socialists purporting to support the under-dog and at the same time ripping off the Taxpayer.

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      • 136
        saif gadaffi says:

        ssshhh

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  28. 75
    Steve Miliband says:

    So which country is the best place to emigrate to?

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    • 137
      Ah! Monika says:

      Modded for the P country

      That country to the North East of India is empty

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    • 154
      The Golem says:

      I think it depends how much loot you’ve got to take with you.

      A while back I remember a business contact recommending Costa Rica, but I don’t know anything about the place. I suspect though that like most of Central and South America, it will be hot and periodically wet, and heavily populated by flying and crawling insects all determined to get into your shorts.

      Some people seem to like Belize!

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    • 157
      jgm2 says:

      Canada. Vast natural resources, sparsely populated. But fucking cold

      Australia. Like Canada but fucking hot.

      Personally I like the French Caribbean – specifically St Barths and Terre de Haut – but the kids don’t want to leave their school chums behind.

      The real killer is that, apart from jackass politicians, England is a potentially beautiful place to live. Hence so many people trying to get in. It is a fucking crying shame. A disaster. An absolute fucking catastrophe that periodically we get incompetent imbeciles of the ilk of Brown, Straw, Balls and Harman who completely fuck the place up.

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      • 180
        Dr Barnardo's Ticketting Agent says:

        Lots of mosquitos and rather poor beer in Canada. Still, its not America.

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      • 192
        Mike Hunt says:

        Nail on the head as usual.

        NZ looks good on the face of it: stunningly beautiful with a smallish population. Down side is it’s a fucking long way and it tends to get a bit lively when an earthquake occurs.

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        • 229
          jgm2 says:

          My brother looked into NZ. Apart from it being a long way away (so what? – you’re getting away for a reason) the problem is their housing stock is of the single course of bricks and corrugated roof variety.

          Fucking freezing in winter apparently.

          Think England in the 1950s. Plus them Maori chaps give a bit of local difficulty from time to time. And they’re big fuckers.

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        • 301
          AC1 says:

          + Left wing nutter as PM.

          Looks like the Aussies might get rid of their female nutcase PM.

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      • 252
        sockpuppet #4 says:

        St. Barts is pretty much part of france.

        So you get red tape, government interference, welfare dependency. AND THE EURO!

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        • 269
          jgm2 says:

          They’ll move to dollars. A lot of their property is priced in dollars.

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        • 273
          jgm2 says:

          They’ll move to dollars. A lot of their property is pr*i*c*ed in dollars.

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          • sockpuppet #4 says:

            I’m not sure of the precise relationship with mainland france, perhaps just class it as “surprisingly close”.

            (Note that guadeloupe is part as france, as much as the isle of white is a part of the uk)

            So no, not unless France uses dollars.

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          • jgm2 says:

            I travel to Guadeloupe a fair bit – once a year on average, and you’re right . It’s a DOM (Departement Outre Mer (sp?)) and politically part of France. So yes, they do spend Euros. St Barths is part of the departement of Guadeloupe and they also spend Euros but I think St Barths is in the process of jumping ship to some new status.

            That said, a lot of the property is owned by yanks and so pr*i*c*ed in USD.

            Beautiful place though St Barths. If Toronto is New York run by the Swiss then St Barths is Kingston, Jamaica run by the Swiss.

            Terre de Haut is like St Barths only about 1/4 the price. I should work for their tourist board.

            http://www.tripadvisor.co.uk/ShowUserReviews-g147300-d150966-r52881939-Hotel_Bois_Joli-Guadeloupe.html

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          • jgm2 says:

            I travel to Guadeloupe a fair bit – once a year on average, and you’re right . It’s a DOM (Departement Outre Mer (sp?)) and politically part of France. So yes, they do spend Euros. St Barths is part of the departement of Guadeloupe and they also spend Euros but I think St Barths is in the process of jumping ship to some new status.

            That said, a lot of the property is owned by yanks and so pr*i*c*ed in USD.

            Beautiful place though St Barths. If Toronto is New York run by the Swiss then St Barths is Kingston, Jamaica run by the Swiss.

            Terre de Haut is like St Barths only about 1/4 the p*r*i*ce. I should work for their tourist board.

            http://www.tripadvisor.co.uk/ShowUserReviews-g147300-d150966-r52881939-Hotel_Bois_Joli-Guadeloupe.html

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          St Kitts is all dollar based.

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  29. 78
    stark says:

    “Very rarely in political history has any faction or movement enjoyed such a complete and crushing victory as the Conservative Eurosceptics.”

    Yeh. Right. Hate to piss on their bonfire, but has anyone told them that we’re still in the EU ? Go look up “victory” in the dictionary.

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  30. 79
    Percy Bighampton says:

    Reminds me of a meeting I attended a few year’s ago where Denis McShane was speaking to a business audience (as Europe minister). At Q&A someone made a mildly critical remark about the EU & red tape. McPole immediately turned on him and accused him of being a racist, having the sort of attitudes that led to WW2 etc! We have to ask ouselves how these left/liberal creeps have been able to completely disregard public opinion over the past few decades.

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    • 390
      Pseudonymous says:

      My favourite joke, because it explains so much about how the world works:

      Why do dogs lick their balls?

      Because they can.

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  31. 81
    Tired, tired, tired of excuses says:

    A message to all our Honourable Members;

    I hate you and everything you’ve done to this country. I rejoice in every scandal and misfortune that comes your way. I dance with delight every time one of you dies. I will celebrate every assassination attempt made on you. I feel like puking every time i see one of your self serving, snivelling, cretinous faces bob up on TV. A pox on you all.

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    • 86
      I don't need no doctor says:

      So what do you think of car salesmen, double glazing salesmen, and bankers.

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      • 93
        Tired, tired, tired of excuses says:

        Honest hard working spivs in comparison to those lying, cheating, traitorous vermin that seek to lecture the rest of us on the “It’s the right thing to do”.

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      • 103
        annette curton says:

        Don’t buy a car from a car salesman, don’t get double glazing from a double glazing salesman, which leaves Bankers, how about

        Just substitute the word money for loving in the lyrics.

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      • 105
        Snake oil is the new black says:

        Snake oil is the new Black !

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    • 99
      Labour Polling says:

      Shall i put you down as a maybe at the next election?

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      • 164
        Tired, tired, tired of excuses says:

        Put me down as the householder most likely to take a baseball bat to anybody from LibLabCon knocking on my door to canvass an opinion.

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        • 279
          East India Company wallah says:

          Apparently it is acceptable to defend your home from criminals using force if necessary!

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  32. 89
    Red Lorry says:

    “it occurs to Guido that many of the same guilty men are currently making the same kind of hysterical claims about global warming.”

    And for exactly the same reasons. Because they see a means to control and see themselves as part of the controlling class.

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  33. 97
    Sir William Waad says:

    Who was that chap Jack Hughes that Zola was so interested in?

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  34. 100
    If only !! says:

    Bloody Centre for Policy Studies Website is an abortion !! Took me money – no download – feels like how we partied in 1999

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  35. 104
    making a fortune from the Global warming scam says:

    Where there’s muck there’s brass, there’s these guys !

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  36. 108
    Tired, tired, tired of excuses says:

    Every one of you that voted for a government in the last 35 years is just as guilty.
    Have a look in the mirror and see what a traitor looks like.

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  37. 112
    Labour Nutter says:

    RE: “…if you enjoy the thought of europhiles squirming guiltily.”

    Such people are shameless – the idea of them squirming at the car crash of their misguided idiocy and reality is purest fantasy.

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  38. 125
    There's no opposition says:

    Anybody want my vote it’s worthless, i’ll just leave it here-

    X

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  39. 139
    keddaw says:

    The one issue Jonas was actually correct about.

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      Engineer says:

      Perhaps for the wrong reason. Blair wanted in, so on principle the One-Eyed Snot-Gobbler was for out. If Blair had been sceptic, we’d have been a full partner by now, and probably in the same boat as Ireland.

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    • 153
      I Hate Blue Labour says:

      But only because Blair wanted to join.

      If Blair had been opposed to the Euro, we’d be in it today. Everything Brown did was driven by petty jealousy and personal vendettas.

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  40. 142
    Polly Tuscanby says:

    I love the Euro project.
    I’m not giving it up for anybody. Any amount of other people’s money that is needed should be just given to Europe.

    Its all worth it to be able to fly to one’s villa for the weekend without needing a visa.

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  41. 158
    the last quango in paris says:

    The other thing they have in common is that they are all multi millionaires – how does that happen then?

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  42. 163
    Billy Bowden is the greatest umpire ever ! says:

    Cardiff gets a 2015 test match!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    WTF??????????????????????????????????

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  43. 169
    Reds Under the Bed says:

    Anyone interested in understanding how the global warming nutters managed to take over the world should read Christopher Bookers magisterial book “The Real Global Warming Disaster”.

    All the scientific distortions, all the subversions of the peer-review process and all the hidden agendas of the anti-capitalists are laid bare.

    Brilliantly researched, it is a compelling narrative.

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      Engineer says:

      Afternoon, Mr Booker. Nothing lke a bit of self-publicity, eh?

      (PS – I recckon you’re nearer to the truth than the AGW Mob, though.)

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    • 267
      jgm2 says:

      The warmists rather shot themselves in the foot when a ‘peer-reviewed’ paper warning us that increased CO2 left us wide open to alien attack.

      What kind of ‘peer review’ process is that?

      Next time the smug c*unts go on about ‘lack of peer-reviewed research’ to contradict their idiocies we should remind them just how biased their ‘review’ process is.

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  44. 196
    BillyBob... says:

    EU…….. now that is a rich gravy train..

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  45. 198
    misterned says:

    “Though this isn’t referred to in the text, it occurs to Guido that many of the same guilty men are currently making the same kind of hysterical claims about global warming.”

    That very same thought occured to me as I read the article in the spectator today and indeed I commented upon the fact.

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    • 206
      sockpuppet #4 says:

      I’ve read that article now, and I still say with the same question as yesterday.
      “what were those bloody brilliant predictions?”

      And you did answer it of course yesterday, the reasonable predictions about it working badly and being expensive in multi-speed europe.

      Which doesn’t fit with the incredibly loud fanfare that the article starts with.

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  46. 199
    Bazarov says:

    What better way to a fresh start than to evict all these Guilty Men and their families from their homes, freeze and seize their bank accounts, and deny them all future NHS treatment and any form of state benefits?

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  47. 203
    Expert on...experts! says:

    Usual suspects…

    If it ain’t elf and safety, its global warming and then education, later NHS.

    I am sure all the so called pundits, Czars (you have to laugh) and experts are brilliant highly educated men and women in their own right….,

    Funny thing is though whenever they put their heads together they can’t agree on much at all, they then go on collectively to fuck up everything they touch ruining lives and business along the way always remembering to present their bill at the end of all the carnage before they leave.

    This reminds me of……….

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  48. 212
    Billy Bowden is the greatest umpire ever ! says:

    Dominic Cork to retire?

    Rumour…..

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  49. 220
    Dominic Cork says:

    Who am I?

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  50. 234
    Ah! Monika says:

    Guido. Have you got Billy insured. It will bugger your stats if he gets knocked down by…

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    • 313
      HandsomeDavid says:

      Be even worse if he defects to leftfootforward. Guido would be knocked into second place.

      Billy should be put on the payroll Guido.

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  51. 235
    Billy Bowden is the greatest umpire ever ! says:

    Dominic Cork to retire, confirmed, good servent to county and worl cricket.

    all the best for the future Dom.

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  52. 243
    Ah! Monika says:

    MoD To Pay Out Over Bloody Sunday Killings.

    What about the Peterloo Massacre

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  53. 249
    Barroso the Marxist says:

    In Europe, Fiscal Insanity Erupts As Bankrupt Nations Scramble To Bailout Other Bankrupt Nations

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  55. 253
    Ah! Monika says:

    Can we have Street Parties when the Euro Collapses. Can’t really have a Bank Holiday, they’ll all be closed anyway

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  56. 256
    Rapper Brillo says:

    Anyone else for the Brillo chop ?

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  57. 257
    Moral Collapse Blair says:

    We are all in this together

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  58. 262
    Obama Beach says:

    My latest stimulus needs a stimulus. Its failed already and its only two hours old.

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  59. 264
    Lord West (Labour) says:

    The American Military Machine is 3rd rate and less powerful than the Zimbabwe Traffic police.

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    • 268
      Evening Standard Defence Correspondent Foxie says:

      And what prey is the rating of the UK armed forces tyou used to lord over Westie ?

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  60. 271
    Antiques Roadshow says:

    The Elgin Marbles are now worth more than Greece.

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  61. 272
    KGBeastie who lamps the Opposition says:

    Guido

    I know you always appreciated the KGB – we had you on our files in the old days..

    Can you tell me if there is anything consequential which is happening at the moment apart from the collapse of the Western World ?

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    • 276
      Reuters correspondent, always first with the news says:

      Can someone invite Michael White for a “conversation” with the owner of the Indy and Evening Standard ?

      Who will win ? Do we need a cage for them ?

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      • 280
        MI5 says:

        The British press sems to have swept the violence of one of the leading owners of the British press under the carpet ?

        Is it the usual defamation lawyers at work again ?

        We know oligarchs love London solicitors

        They cover up a multitude of sins for them…

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      • 288
        Presclott here says:

        I’ve got a lovely right hook ( for the right consideration )

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    • 281
      G says:

      Have you heard about Dominic Cork?

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  62. 286
    Dawn Carpenter says:

    Osborne is himself one of the guilty men. As Douglas Carswell, James Delingpole, Daniel Hannan, and Simon Heffer, among others, have pointed out, in advocating “fiscal union” for the unfortunates trapped in the eurozone, Osborne is attempting to do to the peoples of those seventeen countries in the eurozone exactly what the guilty men of his book would have done to us. He boasts that we have escaped the fire while attempting to throw others into it.

    And he is attempting to force this nightmare on Europe in the full knowledge of what it would inflict upon them. He has not even the excuse of naiveté that could be offéred in defence of some Europhiles.

    George Osborne, in trying to deny to Europeans the freedom, democracy, and sovereignty we British would wish for ourselves, has shown himself to be an utter bastard.

    ……….
    “Sure a ‘successful Euro’ would be massively in British interests if we lived in a parallel universe where … the EU were a democratic entity … it’s not massively in Britain’s interests to abut a Communist-style economic dead zone [or that] the Finns, the Irish, the Spanish, the Dutch and the rest be forced to submit themselves to a new pan-European dictatorship.” James Delingpole, Telegraph

    ……….

    http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/jamesdelingpole/100105399/war-is-peace-freedom-is-slavery-ignorance-is-strength-claims-osborne/

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  63. 294
    Slotgob's unhappy husband says:

    Heelo boys

    I am in another 5 star hotel, making lots of money while I sleep

    You see I am the Quartet Representative

    Paid not for nothing now since all Middle East peace negotiations collapsed about one year ago after my many years of effort…

    But it gives me a good position to increase my personal fortune and stay away from Slotty…

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  64. 297
    You comment, I can't be arsed says:

    Brussels civil servants claim that having to work a 40 hour week – an extra 2.5 hours – would ruin the “attractiveness” of their jobs.

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  65. 298
    Billy Bowden is the greatest umpire ever ! says:

    “What If David Miliband was Labour leader? ”

    It would be tortue.

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  66. 308
    Ah! Monika says:

    New Thread Billy

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  67. 309
    Ewanme says:

    IMHO !!

    We , the long-sufferin plebs should be given the opportunity to hand-pick 650-odd knows-it-all journos an make them run the country for , say , a year on the stipulated renumeration (yeah, I knows) package , sweetheart x .

    The hapless twats that makes up Parliament at the mo would be given a pen an paper an forced to churn out millions of words , at the goin rate for a scribbler , on their replacements’ progress .

    It would be a kinda wife-swop-type experiment an we could sit back wiv the popcorn an have a laugh , babes .

    For instance : Sir Michael could be Chancellor ; Oborne for PM ; Hefferlite as Foreign Sec , wotever .

    Let’s face it , they IS the fuckin experts , ain’t they ??

    I commend this comment to the blog .

    E x .

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      Jack Carter says:

      Are you still banned from commenting at the DT, Ewanme?

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      • 330
        Ewanme says:

        LOL !!

        Hiya , Jack x .

        Probly , although I prefers to think of it as a glitch wiv DisGust .

        Fuckin pile of shit that is , darlin .

        Anyways , the Storygraph is jus fulla opinionated knobheads dronin on at each other .

        Life’s too short :)

        E x .

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          Jack Carter says:

          You must have said something fairly serious! Can you remember what may have upset them?

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          • Ewanme says:

            LOL !! You still there , babes ??

            Fuck nose . It coulda bin anythin , I spose , darlin x .

            Thinkin back , I did kinda accuse them of tryin to destabilise the coalition for their own selfish reasons but I thought all papers done that ??

            I reckons they jus don’t like real people commentin , especially chippy loose canons like Ewa . They likes the apparent chaos on the blogs to be strictly controlled chaos . It’s all down to control , ain’t it ??

            Spose most of the men an women at the DT spent years takin it up the arse at their public schools an uni an they’ve carried that control thing into their professional lives , Jack .

            Terribly sad , ain’t it ??

            Hey ho !! That’s their problem . The internet is the new wild-west an there’s plenty a opportunity out there for me to say stuff .

            Has I bored you to sleep , Jack ??

            E x .

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          • Jack Carter says:

            Sorry. You were saying..?

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      Engineer says:

      You wouldn’t notice a scrap of difference.

      Half the politicos are ex-scribblers, and half the scribblers are either failed politicos or ex-politicos. Some, like Boris, are both at the same time. Most of them are the output of the same dodgy PPE courses at university. They all piss in the same pot, with the occasional honourable exception in either camp.

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  68. 311
    Cui Bono says:

    ‘He blinked his eyes rapidly. He squeezed them tight. The curtain closed': First witness accounts of cop killer Troy Davis’s execution.

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  69. 315
    Tony Blair (Middle East Envoy) says:

    I’ve just been down the bookies, they were offering 10/1 on Palestinian Statehood, so I had a double with Narnia!

    Fnar fnar fnar…

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  70. 316
    A Person says:

    Guido – why not start an e-petition to demand a referendum on Europe? (I’m sure you would have much more luck with that than your call to bring back the death penalty)

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    • 391
      MAD FRANKIE HADDOCK son of COD says:

      While you are at it start one for “Get rid of lying bastard Cameron ”
      yet again he is kissing EU arse by calling for greater eu tax intergration
      Call me Liar is a bigger twat than Blair !

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  71. 319
    Anonymous says:

    OMG, Guido thinks global warming is a myth? Nuts…

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    • 335
      jgm2 says:

      Even the warmists have redesignated the entirely natural phenomenon as ‘Climate Change’.

      See. You can’t argue against ‘Climate Change’. Of course the climate is changing. They can’t lose. Whereas when it was ‘Global Warming’ they were hostage to the climate actually cooling in defiance of their comedy climate models.

      Look. These pricks are geographers. They’re not scientists. They’re fucking geographers. They know as much about science as a psychologist. Fuck all. Just ‘cos it’s an ‘ology doesn’t make it a science. Despite what Maureen Lipman says.

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    • 342
      AC1 says:

      20 years of unchanging temperature rather disprove the runaway warming “theory”, but then again even a cursory knowledge of maths would do that too.

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  72. 334
    Caster Semenya's Jockstrap says:

    Since Blair dragged the parties to the centre, there’s almost no real difference between them…except over Europe.

    The return to the simple trading group it should always have been is quite inevitable.

    Mystical political unions require a down to earth reason to exist. There isn’t one, so the EU will split apart a few years after the Euro experiment fails.

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  73. 373
    YorkshireLad says:

    Thanks for the reminder, Guido, must dig out my copy of “Guilty Men” and read it again

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  74. 374
    Colonel Madd says:

    Anybody here tried drinking petrol and Irn-Bru???

    Ish really quite nyshe!

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  75. 378
    Rex says:

    I feel quite vindicated now – after many years of being labelled a europhobe or a little englander … I feel that my scepticism relating to the whole EU experiment has been totally justified.

    I’ve always loved europe and have travelled extensively throughout the continent – but I hated the whole idea behind the European Union.

    Next stop: Climate Change this has to be exposed for the scam it is which is why fuel prices are rising sharply beyond many peoples reach. Once again this climate scam has been pushed by the BBC with EU money.

    Then I suggest the BBC is sold off, shut down or made to stand on its own two feet .. it has lost all credibility. Twenty-five years ago I would have defended the BBC … today I loathe being taxed for something that is little more than a propaganda machine for the EU and Climate Change.

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  76. 381
    Phil Merlot says:

    I think the word you had in mind was ‘excoriating’. What a damning howler of a solecism. Shudderingly crass in fact.

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  77. 395
    Anglophobe says:

    It was Churchill who was the appeaser. He is the biggest bought and paid for traitor in British history for that unnecessary war.

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      Ruth Kelly's plaything says:

      Try reading about the Treaty of Versailles and the Depression.

      Then see if you still hold that view.

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  78. 397
    Widescreen2010 says:

    I’m still pro Euro.
    But anti Greek bailout.

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  79. 408
    barrowboy says:

    Had we adopted the euro and dumped the GBP, we would be 30% richer now rather than 50% poorer than we were in 1988. ( Or somefink)

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  80. 409
    Anonymous says:

    The Balls/Brown/Blair fiscal and monetary policies left much to be desired. (I’ve placed Balls first as a tribute to Michael Heseltine who first alerted me at least in his party conference speech that Labour’s economic policies were not Brown’s at all but were in fact all Balls’.) Whether membership of the Euro would have put a brake on the worst excesses is hard to fathom. Greece after all seems to managed to provide itself with a few little local difficulties as a Euro member, although not severe enough to make an opt-out the official front runner so far. What we do know is that the UK like Greece is struggling with major imbalances, which may not have developed to such an extent under Euro constraints and that the “cures” available in the form of devaluation and inflation from keeping a separate currency are still doubtful and are anyway fraught with potential longer term problems. Because the Euro zone has to address problems of internal imbalances does not mean that the UK is better off tackling its major problem of external imbalances alone.

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