Indy Exposes Very Little
This morning’s Indy front page looked better than the usual polar-bear-on-a-melting-ice-cap stories, it promised exposure of 8 years of dirty work for Fleet Street by a blagging private eye, Stephen Whittamore. We actually learn nothing really new from the article. Despite having access to the Information Commissioner’s Operation Motorman files, Ian Burrell and Mark Olden don’t name a single journalist shown to have commissioned a “blagging” – the procuring of information illegally.
Journalists face two years jail time for each offence. Some 389 journalists were identified by Operation Motorman. None are named by this lamest of lame investigations to ever make a front page. Chris Bryant MP says they are not being named for legal reasons. You will note how he never mentions Andy Coulson. This is absolutely ridiculous, The Telegraph published the evidence of MPs wrong doing which led to arrests and jailings of MPs. Why won’t the Indy publish the evidence of journalists wrong doing? Be in no doubt, when Guido gets the files, he’ll publish them all, naming and shaming…
See also: The Met Widens Net
So chris Bryant is being selective with the facts?
Except for the elderly and disabled all benefits should be scrapped or converted to repayable loans. This would sort out the spongers.
Clegg is talking about economic growth, it looks like plan B except on name. He want to spend on infrastructure. All need more government money, looks like all these will be off balance sheet financing. Its going to be PFI, this will end up costing much more in long term than direct spending by government.
It also looks like we have two economic policies run by two government, Clegg is running one under Alexander and the other one is run by Cameron under Osborne. Clegg name LD ministers name and says he had instructed them on how to spend.
If he’s instructing them on how to spend their already agreed departmental budget, how is that a seperate economic policy?
Engineer says: September 14, 2011 at 11:13 am
PFI is out of the agreed budgets. Also you can have a agreed budget but you don’t have to stick to it. Why do you think Government is borrowing more than planned?
More to the point, who is going to tell the little people that their standard of living is dropping and will never recover?
“Why do you think government is borrowing more than it planned?”
Because between 2002 and 2008 the Chancellor of the day decreed that it would be so, a situation greatly exacerbated by the bank crisis of 2008 which severely curtailed the government’s tax revenues, thus increasing the borrowing requirement.
May I respectfully suggest that you go and check the facts?
They are using weapons of mass deception:
Engineer says: September 14, 2011 at 11:38 am
You are the one who said “budget was agreed”. I pointed to you it doesn’t matter, more is being spent.
Like an HS2 railway line, you mean?
Like most of the building projects under last Labour government. Rather than spending £100 government will spend £400. It started under Major and continued by Brown.
Continuity Labour!
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2037023/Child-tax-credits-Coalition-plans-woo-women-voters-cutting-school-holidays.html
LVbs says”Except for the elderly and disabled all benefits should be scrapped or converted to repayable loans. This would sort out the spongers.”
No it wouldn’t. A sponger is a sponger irrespective of whether the benefit is given as a “repayable loan” they will not repay.
Loans (and court fines) are not a deterrent – the only way to cut benefit spending is to reduce the total quantity of payouts – and that’s never likely to happen (at least – not until the country can’t borrow any more).
There was once a thing called “National Assistance” AKA the Dole. One had to have worked for a certain number of weeks before recieving unemployment benefit and that was limited to a fixed number of weeks. When unemployment benefit ran out the “Assistance” required local authorities to provide a SUBSISTANCE living. This did not include satellite TVs, fags, booze, c,rack cocaine, pushhairs, Easyjet flights, football season tickets and Nike trainers. It was bare, bare living and many of the costs were recoverable.
Poverty is the greatest incentive to seek work.
I have not paid into the NI system for 35 years. I am now 60 years old and am now frankly unemployable no matter how much I would like to work. The State is paying me £1470 per month in total benefits to not work and have just reminded me to claim my £200 winter ful allowance.
No point in getting up, is there?
And in 5 years you’ll have a free bus pass to look forward to.
I’d rather be living in a kennel in Leighton Buzzard serf to the tinkers. At least I’d get to travel now and then.
He is an undercover agent himself, remember.
Shame he couldn’t manage to keep his filthy pants undercover.
I beg your pardon ?
He is an underwear agent to my knobledge
PS Had you first whisky of the day, Sir WW ?
do any of us realistically believe there will be a single scale newspaper untainted by dubious tactics to get info….ah no
I believe some school newspapers may survive but it does hang on a knife edge.
The Mirror Group…The Pain in the Graun…..the BBC….oh joy!
If ever a newspaper was incorrectly named it is the Independent.
It has one foot in the left wing gutter, and one foot on a patronizing hand wringing sanctimonious preaching step. It sometimes even puts the Guardian to shame.
The Indy long ago gave up being ‘Independent’ – is it not owned by the Guardian’s parent Trust?
The Indy is owned by a Russian gangster, I mean billionaire.
So the Indy is in full retreat, Whiming out of naming and shaming journos and this a day after we find out that they are looking for a whitewash of golden boy Hari.
“Weak,Weak,Weak”
unless they dont want to upset thier fellow comrades at the Guardian?
Pedant moment: journalists (and anyone else) only face jail time if they intercept communications. The offence of blagging itself (illegally obtaining data) carries only a fine. The two years maximum sentence for data theft is on the statute book but was not made live by the last government.
The Indy?
Is that still going?
Chris Bryant – remind me again – is he the one who advertised himself for gay sex on the internet in soiled underpants?
Chris Bryant is an honourable member.He put a clean pair on.
Clean pair of heels in this case.
He is one who was very upset at Rebekah Wade for asking exactly what he did on Clapham Common.
just thinking about george Osborne’s exposure – funny how he can still be a minister of state despite his white lines yet a kid on the street would get a criminal record …. one law for the rich another for the rest still rules eh…
The British public are more interested in skid marks than white lines.
Did you mean Glasgow politics?
Why are you not at conference?
You obviously mean why is Anyoldmouse at the TUC conference.
He may be there, but that does not stop him using non-paid interns to do the leg work and send these lefty missives to all and sundry.
lol. Non paid interns – after they signed up to a national minimum wage. Sounds about right. Many of these interns are out of college and are short of cash as it is. Being taken advantage of by a political elite.
Pikies can be done for slavery, politicians not.
Even if he did it, he didn’t get caught. The “kid on the street’ wouldn’t get a criminal record either if the Filth didn’t know about it.
Still third in line to be next to go:
Chris Huhne 7/4
Baroness Warsi 6/1
George Osborne 8/1
Oh! By the way Guido – why did you withdraw that blog post yesterday?
O/T, it’s nice to see the Curse of People who Sue the Media blighting Société Générale today.
Explain please
+1
Guido
You should know us by now
We were members of the KGB
We learnt to keep our mouthes shut you see…
Must be the owner speaking due to his poor English
Y Fronts should publish the names in the House of Commons
Enough of all these coverups FFS
Is Chris Bryant implying that there are 400 gag orders ?
What the hell is going on ?
The legal system has gone mad
Gag orders?!?! Louiiiiiiissssse
That’s a lot of pants.
Guido
You reference should read
The Net widens to catch the Met
Not the “Met widens Net”…
They are “all in this together”, as David Cameron would say
The question is
Are there enough officers in the Met ?
to catch all the other “officers” ?
Good idea for a cartoon methinks…
Rather like ” Beware of the WET FLOOR Signs” …ad infinitum
Beware of Met floor signs, surely?
I’m a motorman.
More a motormouth, Gordon.
and I’m a namrotom
“Chris Bryant MP says they are not being named for legal reasons.”
this is true tho Guido, The Mirror and Guardian need to work out where they are going to get the money to pay all the lawauits, so its a stalling tatic.
If only they made a profit/surplus in the good years……
In the meantime we are raking it in…
I award him 5 skid marks for doing what we expect of this duplicitous gay, twat, ie selective with the verité.
ps. No offence to other nonces like yourself Billy
Back again TAT? Wheres the blog you promised?
Why do they repeatedly name Andy Coulson then ?
Sham Cam,
He must know that his formerly hidden pro EU fanaticism is now out in the open?
He must also know that his new Planning reforms that will result in huge swathes of English countryside disapearing under concrete & tarmac to build yet more homes for immigrants will cost the Tory party dearly at the next GE?
Conservatives will be an endangered species in Leicestershre at the next GE.
Modded. How dull.
Sofa, the mod does not like the word disa p e a ring
The Indy has refused to name names, but of the 389 journalists identified by Operation Motorman, 127 of them were Johann Hari.
Surprise surprise
I hope Toilets, Shyte and Co are among them…
Fleet Street will be empty if 400 hacks are put away
Do you think the Coalition will build a new open prison for them ?
And willl there be any Lobby journalists left ?
We could be laughing for years with this one…
Expect that a fair number have retired/switched employer etc.
You publish my name and I will sue the arse off you. What imbeciles like you forget is that quite a bit of Motorman stuff relates to journalists asking for crap like forward addresses…denied to journalists but freely available to scum like debt collecting agencies and banks. Be very careful what you do publish – if you tar us all with the same shitty brush we will come after you.
please refrain from referring to us as scum otherwise we “will come after you”…
Ooh you are awful but I like you!
You can’t handle the truth! Like me!
At least you acknowledge you are shitty. I like your style.
Don’t publish his IP Address either, Guido ! It can be traced.
Don’t give up the day job Smoggie…IP addresses can only be traced if someone is stupid enough to use a company one. Otherwise it will show up as City of London…and the small matter of whittling the identity out of ten million of so residents. Sorry to burst the balloon mate.
Go back to Wapping and prepare for redundancy.
I suppose making feeble threats like that is exactly the way to stop Guido from publishing. Guaranteed. Shame all those jailed MPs didn’t think of this.
I have taped some conversations with Jacqueline Kennedy, and we givean accurate revision of the 1960s.
Trust me, it is authentic as it has all the right sound effects of a 1960s audio.
Maybe someone will make a TV advert out of it.
from what I’ve heard from them thusfar she comes over as the doe eyed airbrain her reputation has always suggested she was…and that f’ing accent is painful
Dry your eyes Foxy, Coulson is a little scrote who deserves all he gets.
Roll up, roll up! We’ll move your shed for half a million!
Saw that yesterday – £500,000 to move a fucking shed. Fucking insanity!!
500K to buy/move it, another half mil to publicise it, £6 each to view it.
We want you to know that were totally unaware of any blagging, hacking and other crimes commited on an industrial scale by British journalists
But we still have enndless expensive lunches to celebrate the fact
It seems that all this happened on my watch
Never had any idea..
The biggest rise in unemployment since Sept 2009……Way to go Dave…
http://uk.news.yahoo.com/number-unemployed-rises-fastest-2-years-083911176.html
So in effect that means more immigrants going on the dole?
What do you expect – the economy is totally and utterly fucked for at least 10-15 years.
Brown and B£iar wanted a legacy, this is it.
Thanks VAT rise!
I wondered when the V.A.T rise would start to have it’s inevitable effect.
This all getting too much for me, Guido
Will the last honest person in Britain please turn the lights out ?
OK
Yes…I …can.
I’ll give you an answer to that question when I’ve googled a bit.
That joke isn’t funny anymore.
As Morrisey said in that interview you did with him.
Send in Tom Watson I say, the defrocked Minister for Mudslinging and self-appointed Hercule Poirot of the House of Commons
Don’t give my Hercule a bad reputation…
snide scumbag labour leftie
My hands are clean. HeHe
I remember you Tommyboy…oh yes…
Seen your mate Damian McBride recently, Tom?
given time and demand the dirt will end up coming to the surface about watson…nobody could have become so objectionable overnight and
hes obviously been a seasoned creep for some years
Britain has become a country that is stranger than fiction
How long can we stand all these industrial scale scandals ?
It’s never really been much different. We just know more about it these days.
To be fair they are not industrial scale scandals. There are a few things happening that are being fanned by some disgraceful, politically motivated reporting and BBC coverage.Im bored stiff of phone hacking, dont believe the Osborne story and couldnt care less about Coulson.
My country, Belgium is literally falliing apart
Help me save my credibility
I am king of Europa…
Like your currency
You seem to have the Golden Touch Rumpy…
Did someone say ‘golden touch?’
The Eustice Eurosceptic operation is a way of wanring the Franco-German tank to stop trying to impose any financial transaction or other new taxes on Britain
Simples
Ask John Redwood. He’s a member and usually comes across as anti-EU.
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Book ‘em Guido, lets hope that’s there’s lots of Grauniadista’s.
No more reports about me I see.
Those Carter-Ruck guys are worth every penny of your money, eh voters?
That’s you disappeared for another 15 years then
Au revoir.
“what the fuck am I going to say? I’ve got to talk about the economy, but that Darling book is on Dave’s desk…oh woe..”
Should have had a big photo of Hari along side that headline.
most of the rags are still holding their noses in the air pretending they are cleaner than driven snow … time will come when most if not all are revealed to have been using probably the same agencies or similar agencies to garner private information illegally.
Miliband’s joke about Osborne being “lashed to the mast”, whilst funny, was disgraceful and below the belt. I hope the gloves are now off and the Tories dig up all the sordid secrets of the Labour frontbench. Time for a taste of their own medicine.
That’s funny, I could have sworn he said “lathet to the mathet”.
It was certainly a blow below the belt.
They are just trying to whip up a scandal.
The Chancellor should keep his powder dry and simply sniff at such antics.
I hope Vijendra Sharma asks a question.
Many thanks for Livechat Guido
l wait with baited breath for the ‘ blaggers ‘ names
Toilets or No. 388 as he is known down the snug.
“Be in no doubt, when Guido gets the files, he’ll publish them all, naming and shaming…”
Really? So who hacked Dolly?
surely chopping up a sheep is actionable