September 14th, 2011

Indy Exposes Very Little

This morning’s Indy front page looked better than the usual polar-bear-on-a-melting-ice-cap stories, it promised exposure of 8 years of dirty work for Fleet Street by a blagging private eye, Stephen Whittamore. We actually learn nothing really new from the article. Despite having access to the Information Commissioner’s Operation Motorman files, Ian Burrell and Mark Olden don’t name a single journalist shown to have commissioned a “blagging” – the procuring of information illegally.

Journalists face two years jail time for each offence. Some 389 journalists were identified by Operation Motorman. None are named by this lamest of lame investigations to ever make a front page. Chris Bryant MP says they are not being named for legal reasons. You will note how he never mentions Andy Coulson. This is absolutely ridiculous, The Telegraph published the evidence of MPs wrong doing which led to arrests and jailings of MPs. Why won’t the Indy publish the evidence of journalists wrong doing? Be in no doubt, when Guido gets the files, he’ll publish them all, naming and shaming…

See also: The Met Widens Net


  1. 1
    Well? says:

    So chris Bryant is being selective with the facts?

    • 5
      Labour Voting benefit sponger says:

      Except for the elderly and disabled all benefits should be scrapped or converted to repayable loans. This would sort out the spongers.

      • 35
        Osborne fucking the economy says:

        Clegg is talking about economic growth, it looks like plan B except on name. He want to spend on infrastructure. All need more government money, looks like all these will be off balance sheet financing. Its going to be PFI, this will end up costing much more in long term than direct spending by government.

        • 50
          Osborne fucking the economy says:

          It also looks like we have two economic policies run by two government, Clegg is running one under Alexander and the other one is run by Cameron under Osborne. Clegg name LD ministers name and says he had instructed them on how to spend.

          • Engineer says:

            If he’s instructing them on how to spend their already agreed departmental budget, how is that a seperate economic policy?

          • Osborne fucking the economy says:

            Engineer says: September 14, 2011 at 11:13 am

            PFI is out of the agreed budgets. Also you can have a agreed budget but you don’t have to stick to it. Why do you think Government is borrowing more than planned?

          • smoke and mirrors says:

            More to the point, who is going to tell the little people that their standard of living is dropping and will never recover?

          • Engineer says:

            “Why do you think government is borrowing more than it planned?”

            Because between 2002 and 2008 the Chancellor of the day decreed that it would be so, a situation greatly exacerbated by the bank crisis of 2008 which severely curtailed the government’s tax revenues, thus increasing the borrowing requirement.

            May I respectfully suggest that you go and check the facts?

          • Len says:

            They are using weapons of mass deception:

          • Osborne fucking the economy says:

            Engineer says: September 14, 2011 at 11:38 am

            You are the one who said “budget was agreed”. I pointed to you it doesn’t matter, more is being spent.

        • 51
          Engineer says:

          Like an HS2 railway line, you mean?

          • Osborne fucking the economy says:

            Like most of the building projects under last Labour government. Rather than spending £100 government will spend £400. It started under Major and continued by Brown.

      • 89
      • 96
        Anonymous says:

        LVbs says”Except for the elderly and disabled all benefits should be scrapped or converted to repayable loans. This would sort out the spongers.”
        No it wouldn’t. A sponger is a sponger irrespective of whether the benefit is given as a “repayable loan” they will not repay.

        • 98
          MrAngry61 says:

          Loans (and court fines) are not a deterrent – the only way to cut benefit spending is to reduce the total quantity of payouts – and that’s never likely to happen (at least – not until the country can’t borrow any more).

          • Almost a pensioner says:

            There was once a thing called “National Assistance” AKA the Dole. One had to have worked for a certain number of weeks before recieving unemployment benefit and that was limited to a fixed number of weeks. When unemployment benefit ran out the “Assistance” required local authorities to provide a SUBSISTANCE living. This did not include satellite TVs, fags, booze, c,rack cocaine, pushhairs, Easyjet flights, football season tickets and Nike trainers. It was bare, bare living and many of the costs were recoverable.
            Poverty is the greatest incentive to seek work.
            I have not paid into the NI system for 35 years. I am now 60 years old and am now frankly unemployable no matter how much I would like to work. The State is paying me £1470 per month in total benefits to not work and have just reminded me to claim my £200 winter ful allowance.
            No point in getting up, is there?

          • smoggie says:

            And in 5 years you’ll have a free bus pass to look forward to.

            I’d rather be living in a kennel in Leighton Buzzard serf to the tinkers. At least I’d get to travel now and then.

    • 9
      Sir William Waad says:

      He is an undercover agent himself, remember.

    • 53
      British Public Opinion says:

      do any of us realistically believe there will be a single scale newspaper untainted by dubious tactics to get info….ah no

      • 54
        Billy Bowden is the greatest umpire ever ! says:

        I believe some school newspapers may survive but it does hang on a knife edge.

  2. 2
    Hardy Perennial says:

    The Mirror Group…The Pain in the Graun…..the BBC….oh joy!

    • 34
      The Observer says:

      If ever a newspaper was incorrectly named it is the Independent.
      It has one foot in the left wing gutter, and one foot on a patronizing hand wringing sanctimonious preaching step. It sometimes even puts the Guardian to shame.

  3. 3
    Well? says:

    So the Indy is in full retreat, Whiming out of naming and shaming journos and this a day after we find out that they are looking for a whitewash of golden boy Hari.


    unless they dont want to upset thier fellow comrades at the Guardian?

  4. 4
    Tim Turner says:

    Pedant moment: journalists (and anyone else) only face jail time if they intercept communications. The offence of blagging itself (illegally obtaining data) carries only a fine. The two years maximum sentence for data theft is on the statute book but was not made live by the last government.

  5. 6
    Sophie says:

    The Indy?

    Is that still going?

    Chris Bryant – remind me again – is he the one who advertised himself for gay sex on the internet in soiled underpants?

  6. 7
    Anonymous says:

    just thinking about george Osborne’s exposure – funny how he can still be a minister of state despite his white lines yet a kid on the street would get a criminal record …. one law for the rich another for the rest still rules eh…

    • 19
      belisha beacon says:

      The British public are more interested in skid marks than white lines.

    • 25
      HandsomeDavid says:

      Why are you not at conference?

      • 40
        The Observer says:

        You obviously mean why is Anyoldmouse at the TUC conference.
        He may be there, but that does not stop him using non-paid interns to do the leg work and send these lefty missives to all and sundry.

        • 58
          HandsomeDavid says:

          lol. Non paid interns – after they signed up to a national minimum wage. Sounds about right. Many of these interns are out of college and are short of cash as it is. Being taken advantage of by a political elite.

          Pikies can be done for slavery, politicians not.

    • 61
      smoggie says:

      Even if he did it, he didn’t get caught. The “kid on the street’ wouldn’t get a criminal record either if the Filth didn’t know about it.

    • 83
      Talking of which says:

      Still third in line to be next to go:

      Chris Huhne 7/4
      Baroness Warsi 6/1
      George Osborne 8/1

      Oh! By the way Guido – why did you withdraw that blog post yesterday?

  7. 8
    Sir William Waad says:

    O/T, it’s nice to see the Curse of People who Sue the Media blighting Société Générale today.

  8. 10
    Bosses of the Indy says:


    You should know us by now

    We were members of the KGB

    We learnt to keep our mouthes shut you see…

  9. 12
    Jack says:

    Y Fronts should publish the names in the House of Commons

    Enough of all these coverups FFS

  10. 13
    KGBeastie says:

    Is Chris Bryant implying that there are 400 gag orders ?

    What the hell is going on ?

    The legal system has gone mad

  11. 14
    Jack says:


    You reference should read

    The Net widens to catch the Met

    Not the “Met widens Net”…

    They are “all in this together”, as David Cameron would say

  12. 15
    Gordon Brown says:

    I’m a motorman.

  13. 17
    Billy Bowden is the greatest umpire ever ! says:

    “Chris Bryant MP says they are not being named for legal reasons.”

    this is true tho Guido, The Mirror and Guardian need to work out where they are going to get the money to pay all the lawauits, so its a stalling tatic.

    If only they made a profit/surplus in the good years……

  14. 18
    Sophie says:

    Sham Cam,

    He must know that his formerly hidden pro EU fanaticism is now out in the open?

    He must also know that his new Planning reforms that will result in huge swathes of English countryside disapearing under concrete & tarmac to build yet more homes for immigrants will cost the Tory party dearly at the next GE?

    Conservatives will be an endangered species in Leicestershre at the next GE.

  15. 22
    Engineer says:

    The Indy has refused to name names, but of the 389 journalists identified by Operation Motorman, 127 of them were Johann Hari.

    • 29
      Bobby Socks says:

      Surprise surprise

      I hope Toilets, Shyte and Co are among them…

      Fleet Street will be empty if 400 hacks are put away

      Do you think the Coalition will build a new open prison for them ?

      And willl there be any Lobby journalists left ?

      We could be laughing for years with this one…

  16. 26
    Anonymous says:

    You publish my name and I will sue the arse off you. What imbeciles like you forget is that quite a bit of Motorman stuff relates to journalists asking for crap like forward addresses…denied to journalists but freely available to scum like debt collecting agencies and banks. Be very careful what you do publish – if you tar us all with the same shitty brush we will come after you.

    • 36
      debt collecting agencies and banks says:

      please refrain from referring to us as scum otherwise we “will come after you”…

    • 41
      Dick Emery-Board says:

      Ooh you are awful but I like you!

    • 44
      Call me Dave - wanker in chief says:

      You can’t handle the truth! Like me!

    • 48
      Mark Oaten says:

      At least you acknowledge you are shitty. I like your style.

    • 66
      smoggie says:

      Don’t publish his IP Address either, Guido ! It can be traced.

      • 122
        Rodney says:

        Don’t give up the day job Smoggie…IP addresses can only be traced if someone is stupid enough to use a company one. Otherwise it will show up as City of London…and the small matter of whittling the identity out of ten million of so residents. Sorry to burst the balloon mate.

    • 82
      the skid mark report says:

      Go back to Wapping and prepare for redundancy.

    • 113
      pissed old hack says:

      I suppose making feeble threats like that is exactly the way to stop Guido from publishing. Guaranteed. Shame all those jailed MPs didn’t think of this.

  17. 27
    Johnan Hari says:

    I have taped some conversations with Jacqueline Kennedy, and we givean accurate revision of the 1960s.

    Trust me, it is authentic as it has all the right sound effects of a 1960s audio.

    • 69
      Don Draper says:

      Maybe someone will make a TV advert out of it.

    • 102
      JFK's handbag carrier says:

      from what I’ve heard from them thusfar she comes over as the doe eyed airbrain her reputation has always suggested she was…and that f’ing accent is painful

  18. 28
    George Bruce says:

    Dry your eyes Foxy, Coulson is a little scrote who deserves all he gets.

  19. 38
    Sheds 'R' Us says:

    Roll up, roll up! We’ll move your shed for half a million!

  20. 42
    Spokesknobjockey for the Press Complaints Council says:

    We want you to know that were totally unaware of any blagging, hacking and other crimes commited on an industrial scale by British journalists

    But we still have enndless expensive lunches to celebrate the fact

    • 46
      Moral Collapse Blair in Five Star Hotel in Jerusalem says:

      It seems that all this happened on my watch

      Never had any idea..

  21. 47
    Billy Bowden is the greatest umpire ever ! says:

    The biggest rise in unemployment since Sept 2009……Way to go Dave…

  22. 49
    Caligula says:

    This all getting too much for me, Guido

    Will the last honest person in Britain please turn the lights out ?

  23. 55
    Hansard writer says:

    Send in Tom Watson I say, the defrocked Minister for Mudslinging and self-appointed Hercule Poirot of the House of Commons

  24. 63
    Rt Hoon Tom Whatson MP Aothor PEN says:

    My hands are clean. HeHe

    • 68
      Damian Macbride says:

      I remember you Tommyboy…oh yes…

    • 71
      Engineer says:

      Seen your mate Damian McBride recently, Tom?

    • 100
      Bunter Watson goes girl scoobie doo lookalike. says:

      given time and demand the dirt will end up coming to the surface about watson…nobody could have become so objectionable overnight and
      hes obviously been a seasoned creep for some years

  25. 67
    Hansard writer says:

    Britain has become a country that is stranger than fiction

    How long can we stand all these industrial scale scandals ?

    • 75
      Engineer says:

      It’s never really been much different. We just know more about it these days.

    • 124
      Anonymous says:

      To be fair they are not industrial scale scandals. There are a few things happening that are being fanned by some disgraceful, politically motivated reporting and BBC coverage.Im bored stiff of phone hacking, dont believe the Osborne story and couldnt care less about Coulson.

  26. 72
    Lord Rumpy Pumpy King of Europa says:

    My country, Belgium is literally falliing apart

    Help me save my credibility

    I am king of Europa…

  27. 80
    Reuters stringer says:

    The Eustice Eurosceptic operation is a way of wanring the Franco-German tank to stop trying to impose any financial transaction or other new taxes on Britain


  28. 86
    Union negotiators says:


  29. 88
    Penfold says:

    Book ‘em Guido, lets hope that’s there’s lots of Grauniadista’s.

  30. 92
    Sir Stuart Bell-End says:

    No more reports about me I see.
    Those Carter-Ruck guys are worth every penny of your money, eh voters?

  31. 97
    Ed Miliband says:

    “what the fuck am I going to say? I’ve got to talk about the economy, but that Darling book is on Dave’s desk…oh woe..”

  32. 105
    Derka Derka says:

    Should have had a big photo of Hari along side that headline.

  33. 106
    British Public Opinion says:

    most of the rags are still holding their noses in the air pretending they are cleaner than driven snow … time will come when most if not all are revealed to have been using probably the same agencies or similar agencies to garner private information illegally.

  34. 107
    Labour's skeletons in the closet says:

    Miliband’s joke about Osborne being “lashed to the mast”, whilst funny, was disgraceful and below the belt. I hope the gloves are now off and the Tories dig up all the sordid secrets of the Labour frontbench. Time for a taste of their own medicine.

    • 116
      smoggie says:

      That’s funny, I could have sworn he said “lathet to the mathet”.

      It was certainly a blow below the belt.

    • 117
      The Other Bloke says:

      They are just trying to whip up a scandal.
      The Chancellor should keep his powder dry and simply sniff at such antics.

  35. 108
    Labour's skeletons in the closet says:

    I hope Vijendra Sharma asks a question. :-D

  36. 109
    Billy Bowden is the greatest umpire ever ! says:

    Many thanks for Livechat Guido :-)

  37. 110
    alex taylor says:

    l wait with baited breath for the ‘ blaggers ‘ names

  38. 111
    Someone slap Toilets Maguire please says:
  39. 120
    Jimmy says:

    “Be in no doubt, when Guido gets the files, he’ll publish them all, naming and shaming…”

    Really? So who hacked Dolly?

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