September 14th, 2011

Cam Euro Sham Fears

How’s this for a conspiracy theory? Monday’s meeting of over 120 Eurosceptic Tory MPs has certainly got chins wagging and it’s still getting column inches this morning, two days later. It’s an sizeable junk of the parliamentary party and tough for the Dave to punish given that it consists of the majority of his new intake. The operation is being fronted by George Eustice, which provides the perfect media hook of “Dave’s former Press Secretary” and also the fact that he is a former UKIP candidate is music to the ears of the Tory right. It’s also where alarm bells are going off with more than one MP…

The theory goes that Eustice wouldn’t do anything without at least a discreet nod from the top, and how much the grouping is endorsed is the topic of much debate. The “Dave hates Europe really” argument is long dead – actions speak louder than words, but a fair few of the more senior sceptics are highly suspicious that this group has been put together to stop other more aggressive and louder blocs being formed. By maintaining an element of control over this new, large, awkward squad, the Prime Minister can ultimately ignore it. The meeting was raised in Cabinet yesterday, so we shall see…


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    Interesting tweet from Euromoonbat Roger Helmer this morning!/RogerHelmerMEP

    EU Council President: “I fear a European war & want to get US Green Cards for my kids”.

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    Anonymous says:

    Its just a set up. If its real it can team in with Labour and stop any EU law that needs to be voted by MPs.

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    Dave'sabender says:

    Good theory, Hague has expressed some sympathy in his own words. Trouble is, too many vested interests for anything to really happen.

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    Areally septic sceptic says:


    Like Bliar and Brhoon before him, I never have believed the bugger, I never will, and a more devious little shit is hard to find on the ‘Tory’ front bench.

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    Anonymous says:

    here’s yet another way in which the rich make people pay for things they should be paying for themselves

    the rich never stop getting richer whilst the rest of us carry the burden – bastards

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    AND NOW THE REAL NEWS!!! says:

    Gordon Brown, addressing the TUC-in Conference says

    Brothers! I am able to assure you that, thanks to my financial genius, Britain is best placed amongst all advanced economies to weather any financial storm.

    And, – if there should be a depression, – it will only last 6 months!

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    fuck 'em all says:

    Fucking rich scrounging wankers.

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    Dave Poole says:

    This meeting was Monday evening – this post is Wednesday morning, early. In who’s calendar is that 3 days for goodness sake. It is just such obvious over dramatisation that is a hangover from dead tree press and removes credibility from such stories.

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    Anonymous says:

    Sizeable JUNK, really calling sceptic Tories junk Guido

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    Sophie says:

    Nigel Lawson on BBC Radio 4 this morning was utterly fantastic & succinct.

    He called out the Euro zealots, extremists & fanatics to admit their vanity, their ego & put the Eurozone out of everyones misery.

    It has failed – as we all knew it would & as was predicted long ago.

    An orderly dismantling is the only way forward for the EU & Great Britain.

    Will Dave forego his ultimate heir to Blair ambition of becoming EU President – or will the shallow, duplicitous, lying Heathite careerist shaft his own country forever by putting his own “legacy” first?

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    Up sh1t creek says:

    Third time of trying to post…

    Cameron says YOU don’t want an “In / out” referendum on the European Union Soviet Socialist Republic. What Cameron says is “the right thing”, and who cares about you anyway (until general election time).

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    Nemo says:

    Ah yes, the chancellor that overlooked his wine bill, mind that was before he decided to go on a diet

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    Nemo says:

    Trouble was that he was suffering the depression whick lasted far longer than 6 months

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    Dawn Carpenter says:

    The MPs who put up a rival eu-sceptic amendment to the one offered by Mark Reckless — and backed so eloquently by Douglas Carswell — are not to be trusted to see the matter through. We need to see a smaller and harder group that is not compromised forming around those who backed Mark Reckless’ version of the legislation.

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    Politicians are CUNTS says:

    This nation-building in Kabul is going so well isn’t it!

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    Dan says:

    That was brilliant from Lawson.

    Hearing that recycled Commie extremist Barroso still try to use this crisis to grab more power was utterly sickening – that man is a European dictator in the making.

    Britain out of the EU – we can still trade with them – & if they place trade tarriffs on us then we will reciprocate – they have more to lose from a trade tax war than we do.

    Lets trade with the world freely – not get shackled by this sinking EU nonsense.

    Its over.

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    smoggie says:

    How do you define “the rich”. Someone who has more money than you, I’ll bet?

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    Anonymous says:

    Well, I never trusted them. I don’t care whether we should be in EU or not, I am happy to be in EU as long as its to the advantage of ordinary people. But I do believe there should be a vote as what we joined is totally different to what we have now and the last vote was long time ago.

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    Anonymous says:

    The point is to vote UKIP, thus endangering many Tory marginals, so that the Tories are forced to be more Eurosceptic.

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    smoggie says:

    It was Nigel who used the EU as an excuse to reduce the UK tax on wine to bring it more inline with Continental levels of taxation. And we should be most grateful for that.

    I can’t think of any other Chancellor who has done anything that deserves any thanks at all.

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    Bystander #41 says:

    Like a house on fire!

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    Billy Bowden is the greatest umpire ever ! says:

    Well done Dave, bury your head in the sand and hope the problems goes away.

    Never know tho, you may be the problem.

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    Anonymous says:

    It has been tried a number of times and it failed, once the election is over Tory leadership always support EU. As this is what big businesses want.

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    Gordon Brown says:


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    Martin Marprelate says:

    This is an old trick and is used by the DPP when someone brings a Private Prosecution and The State doesn’t want it to proceed. The DPP then uses his powers to take over the case, the original plaintiff has no rights to stop him, and then drops it. In like manner is this “Eurosceptic” Group really bed-blockers, a sweetheart group set up by Cameron to push the REAL Eurosceptics off of the scene and to put up weak, wishy-washy and Cameron approved criticisms of the EU? Personally I do NOT give it any credence.

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    ECT says:

    I could shake him out of it – and then some

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    Sir William Waad says:

    Is somebody using voice recognition software – ‘junk’ for ‘chunk’, for instance? If so, I would advise you that it doesn’t work.

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    Dave says:

    Referendum? Don’t be silly.

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    Anonymous says:

    I’m kinda left of most of you Tea Pots on here but yes we should renegotiate our membership – but no mainstream party will do that

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    Dave Cam and his Windfarm Scam says:

    Not such a spiffing wind today, eh, – watt?

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    Sir William Waad says:

    Well, Ken Clarke was about to run a budget surplus, before the Hermit of Kirkcaldy stormed, gibbering, into the fiscal Air Traffic Control room and started pushing buttons.

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    George spanker Osborne says:


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    Airey Belvoir says:

    ‘An sizeable junk’ – illiterate, but mini-Guido will be blamed an get a clip around the ear for this, even if his master is responsible……

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    blackbyle says:

    Perhaps they can pack some testes into his shrivelled scrotum ?

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    smoggie says:

    Start an e-Petition and if you get enough signatures, he may have no choice.

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    Osborne fucking the economy says:

    UK unemployment has increased by 80,000. Osborne’s plan isn’t working.

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    Billy Bowden is the greatest umpire ever ! says:

    Why is the Hunt case taking so long when Tevez was charged and is in court od a similair charge, However Tevez only committed the offence (allegedly) in Febuary.

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    ffs! says:

    A family who gets millions in royalties for books, films etc. and then expects others to help them move their fucking shed for half a million quid probably!

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    Gordon Brown says:

    I’m a frying pan.

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    nell says:

    Hmmm. I don’t think eurosceptism in the tory party is a scam or a sham. I think there is a section of mp’s who are genuinely opposed to the eu and the euro.

    cameron may well hope that he can ignore them but from little acorns great oak trees grow and I hope that I shall see the eu collapse in my lifetime.

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    benefits for rich eco-loons, troughers and scammers says:

    No worries! They’ll turn just enough to make enough juice to pay for their defrosting in a few months time. Pity the juice cannot be stored however.

    Keep paying your bills, don’t forget the hidden green taxes included in them.

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    pp says:

    It wasn’t 120 eusceptic tory MPs – as conservativehome reported it was 120 from accros the spectrum – including tory euphiles.

    Don’t big up conservative euroscepticsm – I know this is a conservative blog, but even conservativehome admit this one!

    The conservative party doesn’t have 120 eurosceptic mps!

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    Osborne fucking the economy says:

    The number of people unemployed in the UK rose by 80,000 to 2.51 million in the three months to July, official figures have shown.

    Youth unemployment rose by 78,000 to 973,000, the Office for National Statistics (ONS) said.

    The number of people in employment in the economy fell, by 69,000 to 29.17 million.

    The total claiming Jobseeker’s Allowance rose, by 20,300 in August to 1.58 million.

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    MAD FRANKIE HADDOCK son of COD says:

    I see Georgie the fuckin Jocks have managed to get a cut in fuel duty for the islands from the EU
    Why ?
    They live on islands, so they can’t go anywhere what a con this will eventually worm it’s way down to the Jock mainland “as they kiss EU arse ”
    they already get more per head than the English and now they will be even better off
    Wankers !
    I also see that the commission for alcohol reform is still bleating on about a 50p minimum unit price for booze ! It’s not the commission ,but this government who have set it up to “Soften the blow”when they impose yet another tax on our lives
    If alcohol is so cheap ,Why is there a growing market for our Eastern European friends to brew illegal vodka whiskey and gin to sell to people who cannot afford this super cheap booze supplied by our super markets ?

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    Well? says:

    Have you hired anyone?

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    Iloathlefties. says:

    People have memories and when it comers to the Euro elections most thinking people will decide to give the Tories a kick and vote UKIP. No one has or can explain the benefits of this undemocratic body. £13.5 billion net for what? Foreign farmers and road building! Loss of our fishing industry, additional food costs through CAP. EU Human Rights, free and open immigration, a £40 billion trade deficit and £262 net over 10 years! Its just our politicians gravy train. Personal interest NOT national interest. Norway and Switzerland have the trade, just not the strangling regulation and huge costs!!
    When UKIP does well people will starrt to vote the old lying, slimey, treacherous parties out!!

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    Airey Belvoir says:

    It’s probably the result of a pissed Guido dictating copy down a dodgy phone connection from his ‘maison secondaire’ in France to an unpaid and Labour-educated ‘intern’ back at Guido Towers – happens all the time.

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    Thanks Tony, cheers Call me Dave for voting for the folly too - CUNTS says:

    Soldiers killed in explosion near army base in Habaniya near Falluja and 13 local police killed near Baghdad.

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    Sophie says:

    Indeed Nell – my wish is for the EU to collapse in my lunchtime though.

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    misterned says:

    Too late for that. If we renegotiated our membership all the other member states would have to ratify that change in their parliaments. It would only take one to block it and it is likely that many other member states would block our renegotiation. Renegotiation is never going to happen and is therefore it is a delaying tactic to stall calls for a referendum. The only viable options are stay in and get shafted (as has been happening since we went in) or get out of the EU. Either way, the route ahead should be decided in a referendum

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    Aunt Mat says:

    Once again Dave shows that he can keep his feet in all the camps.

    But hold on – How many feet has he got!

    That’s PR genius.

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    it all started in 1997 says:

    And immigration was under control as well, and dropping slightly as I remember.

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    end of story says:

    Dave just wants to have a quiet life, do his time and fuck off and do a Blair.

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    6EQUJ5 says:

    Be careful what you wish for..!!

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    The Observer says:

    Just good old honest dialogue.
    BBC love it and it keeps them happy with trolling the networks trying to find idiots of some presentation skills to air their grievances.
    Listen to the pro EU idiot on the Toady Programme this morning to see what I mean. Even the follow-up ex Chancellor stated he is an EU fanatic.

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    Cast Iron Dave says:

    Damn! I’ve been rumbled! Have you been hacking my phone Mr Fawkes?
    Anyway, it’s too late, we already have control of most of your institutions including the public broadcaster, and your military has been weakened beyond repair.

    Resistance is useless!

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    labourunionsbbc we are one says:

    Three way conversation my arse, the evil José Manuel Barroso will be orde, err chairing the phone link up.

    And by the way, has anybody seen Angela Merkel and Deborah Meaden in the sam den together.

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    Gordon Brown says:

    Today I am auditing Havester Restaurant portion sizes.

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    The Observer says:

    Agreed though he was showing his age in a rather faltering presentation.
    Also he is a little OTT – The truth is somwhere between him and the previous pro-EU fanatic.

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    Duddley Monkey says:

    Derick Simpson is a wanker

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    Mornington Crescent says:

    The details of the story are even worse, if you read the Dahl Museum’s own website:

    The work is in 2 phases, costing half a million EACH. Worse still, phase 1 includes “acquisition” by the museum of the hut, which currently belongs to… his multimillionaire widow! FFS.

    Still, I’d give his granddaughter one, though.

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    Gordon Brown says:

    I’m a pantheist

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    The Observer says:

    Yet nothing on BBC about the explosions in the south of France at a nuclear waste treatment plant.
    Methinks an agenda is at play.

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    Archer Karcher says:

    What plan was that? The be just like Labour but spend a lot more plan?

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    MrAngry61 says:


    But Dave’s loyal Tories won’t allow one and my local (Labour) MP is against referenda on principle.

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    Jabba the Cat says:

    All that shed needs is a box of Swan Vesta matches…

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    too much to lose, eh Bill? says:

    and Bill Cash wont leave the Conservative Party despite years of his party failing to agree with him on Europe.

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    Time for plan b says:

    Time for the gun powder.

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    David Laws Lib Dem fiddler says:

    The real conspiracy theory is that Dave is a Lie Dumb and he was forced to have liberal Tory ministers who met Clegg’s approval. Out of Europe now the cost can not be justified.

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    oddly helpful says:

    Felicitously, you said ‘junk’ when I suspect that you intended ‘chunk’. Doctor Freud would find the substitution interesting…

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    MrAngry61 says:

    I can’t understand why electricity generators don’t re-examine storage mechanisms. When the CEGB built the pumped energy storage station in Wales, New Scientist wrote about projects for large flywheels to be built near to existing power stations in other parts of the country.

    Electricity costs are higher now, and the windmill program is going to produce peak output at low demand periods. Why not try to store it?

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    Call me Dave - wanker in chief says:

    Keep paying your taxes. This is the Big Society in action.

    We’re all in this together!

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    Archer Karcher says:

    Correct, what people think they are voting for, is opposing sides, when in fact they are voting for the same team, one in the ‘Home’ strip and the other in the ‘Away’ colours.
    No matter who you vote for, the game plan remains the same, the tactics are identical and the results never change.
    After 13 years the Labour part of the team, minus the egomaniac and the nutter, are sat grumbling on the subs bench, while the new boys are practicing losing every match just like the last lot. Dave may now be captain, but the manager and directors are all sat around giving the instructions and picking the squad, with the same predictable results.

    Until they change, nothing ever will.

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    Well? says:

    When wil UKuncut go after Rangers football club for unpaid tax bill?

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    Osborne fucking the economy says:

    Lot more (outside) UK. We need cuts and / or what ever government spends spent in UK.

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    Engineer says:

    “I am happy to be in EU as long as it is to the advantage of ordinary people.”

    OK, fair enough – but how exactly is EU membership currently to the advantage of ordinary people?

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    smoggie says:

    The cost is for restoring it in someone else’s museum. It is not for their benefit.

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    Anonymous says:

    Guido’s insinuation may well be correct. If so, we will not be able to get out of Europe without a referendum. Getting one should therefore be the main objective of eurosceptic strategy. Let the MPs chase the public mood if they won’t lead it.

    Alas it seems as though popular discontent with the EU will not be enough on its own to drive the politics forward: we sceptics must also make a positive case for an independent UK.

    Shouldn’t be too hard, right? In addition to presenting the obvious benefits (for the deficit, for democracy, CAP, fishies and business etc) we should do more to emphasise what a barrier to reform the EU has become – as we move into a full-blown banking crisis Europe’s authoritarian, statist policy response is likely to jar with quite a broad strand of popular opinion that agrees with the “things have got to change” zeitgeist.

    Our current set of MPs will squander this golden chance if we let them.

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    bago says:

    Tory says, “EU Union = bad”
    Tory says, “UK Union = good”

    Ah, ha! ha! ha!

    So dumb.

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    I don't need no doctor. says:

    To all those that critisize Osborne remember it was labour under Blair and Brown that fucked up the UK.
    It’s going to take years to get things right. The trouble is your sort want everything for nothing yesterday.

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    Engineer says:

    Unemployment and inflation figures were dropping, as well.

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    smoggie says:

    …and get their fucking heads kicked in? My guess – probably not.

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    May I remind you all that I stuck rigidly to Tory spending plans during the early years I was in office whilst putting in the framework and creating my golden rules for sustained investment and growth. For many years we enjoyed the fruits of my financial brilliance until US sub prime lending wrecked the worlds financial system. It all started in America and completely ruined all I had achieved and snuffed out what could have been a wonderful premiership that lasted longer then Tony Blairs. This could have been the magificent years of Labour delivery and social justice with a truely world class Government.

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    TAT's Skid Marked Y Fronts says:

    To far to fast…….To far to fast……. To far to fast……. To far to fast……. To far to fast……. To far to fast……. To far to fast……. To far to fast……. To far to fast……. To far to fast……. To far to fast……. To far to fast……. To far to fast……. To far to fast……. To far to fast……. To far to fast……. To far to fast……. To far to fast……. To far to fast……. To far to fast……. To far to fast……. To far to fast……. To far to fast……. To far to fast……. To far to fast……. To far to fast……. To far to fast……. To far to fast……. To far to fast……. To far to fast……. To far to fast……. To far to fast……. To far to fast……. To far to fast……. To far to fast……. To far to fast……. To far to fast…….

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    Archer Karcher says:


    Dismal Dave is a worthy successor, to the other uber sell outs, Bliar and Braun. Now that particular level of devious shitheadedness, takes some achieving.

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    MrAngry61 says:

    We need to raise £500,000 to carry out the first phase of this exciting and important project, which involves acquiring, conserving and displaying the interior of the iconic Writing Hut and its contents in the Museum.

    The second phase, for which we need an additional £500,000, will enable us to make exciting changes to our education spaces and to develop inspirational resources for use both on-site and through our expanding work going out to schools, hospitals and the wider community.

    So, quite apart from the OUTRAGEOUS cost of buying/moving/displaying ‘the hut’, the other half publicises the RD Museum, which will increase awareness/royalties etc.

    The Dahls’ avarice is obscene.

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    lol says:

    Of course not! You must have been born yesterday, or think that I have.

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    Grumpy Old Man says:

    Frank Field won’t leave the Labour Party despite years of of his party failing to agree with him on anything.

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    Grumpy Old Man says:

    Me 2

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    Grumpy Old Man says:

    Well get yourself a bacon butty down the Sally Army then.

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    Ted says:

    An orderly progressive dismantling of the EU would be far better than an all out sudden collapse. The shockwaves of the EU rapidly imploding would have terrible collateral consequences.

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    codswallop says:

    Precisely. Plus 2 Sir William

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    Sophie says:

    Bollox you idiot.

    WE WANT A CONSERVATIVE GOVERNMENT – not this faux fake bunch of pro EU Heathites.

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    Four-eyed English Genius says:

    Missing quite a few ‘o’s

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    Charlie says:

    How many immigrants are claiming JSA ? After past recessions, unemployment declined because there were few immigrants : consequntly the new jobs went to Britons. Brown put 800,000 on the public sector payroll. The problem is the UK is not educating enough skilled technical personnel required by the private sector which is limiting growth of them productive sector. As Sykes said , ” A £1 spent at Imperial is worth to the UK than a £1 spent at Thames Valley University”. The problem is that we have large numbers of non-technical semi-skilled clerical workers in the public sector who lack the technical skills to enter high value manufacturing, construction an other industries.

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    Brett and Woods says:

    They wouldn’t win an election Sophie…let’s face it Hague;Howard and IDS all failed to gain enough traction with the voters to varying catastrophic degrees…now why is that do you suppose ? The fact is that the media especially our “esteemed and impartial”state broadcaster would be solidly against any right wing Tory leader(it thinks “liberal” Dave is a rabid right wing Tory after all)The BBC was probably instrumental in delivering a hung parliament by it’s incessant broadcasting of how good a “balanced parliament” would be for the country and giving Cable much air time to promote it from September 2009 onwards when they finally realised that Brown and Labour were fucked(although it has to be said Dave also threw away any chance he had of forming a majority Tory government too by his cack-handed strategy in the campaign and run up to it)

    “Dave” was the best chance the Tory party had of getting an overall majority government and they and he blew it by letting Clegg into the Prime Ministerial debates and then pre-first debate not taking him seriously enough as a threat and thus allowing him to “out-bullshit” Dave which believe me is some feat given Dave is the most accomplished bullshitter since his hero Bliar was PM.

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    We need to massively increase African aid to alleviate world poverty and assist with third world debt relief.

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    Mystick1 says:

    Youth unemployment should have read ‘ youth unemployable ‘, which is a precise definition of most of them.

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    C.F. Patten says:

    Are you seriously suggesting that the BBC has a political agenda?

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    smoggie says:

    No I just think you’re a bit thick and envious.

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    Not quite the greatest batsman ever says:

    Alex says:

    EU Union = Good

    UK Union = Bad

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    Anonymous says:

    Anyone who still thinks that the EU can be reformed, or that we can negotiate a new relationship, is beyond help.

    Sovereignty can only reside at one level. Take your choice.

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    Cast Iron Dave says:

    Correct Anon!
    Resistance is useless!
    Now throw down your veapons, ah! you already have!
    Very sensible.

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    Not quite the greatest batsman ever says:

    Only in posh parts of Buckinghamshire could that building be called a ‘shed’ or a ‘hut’. In most parts of the country a shed or hut is a wooden affair, probably falling to pieces, and with a limited life. This appears to be a modernish stone or concrete, outhouse. And its only the interior which is going to be moved at a cost of half a million isn’t it?

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    I Hate Blue Labour says:

    Incorrect – if all UKIP voters had voted Tory in the last election, Cameron would have won a majority and would have no need for Clegg and his sandal wearing cohorts.

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    Charles Flaccidwidger says:

    On principle? Does that mean they won’t give the answer he wants?

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    Gordon Brown says:

    I’m a pansy.

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    Atar says:

    I agree.

    Cameron (and to be honest the Conservative Party as a whole) has tried the “We’re really Eurosceptic at heart – just wait and see” con-trick once too often.

    They ALL want to bide their time, and get a Euro-job.

    Dave said as much in last weeks PMQs. We’re in the EU, and we’re staying in.

    UKIP (despite it’s faults) is the only available choice. Fuck Dave.

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    George Bruce says:

    Aye exactly the sooner Scotland cuts off the ball and the chain that is London the better.

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    Charles Flaccidwidger says:

    Wrong. In fact he is a total and utter fucking wanker.

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    Atar says:

    …And if every voter who wanted out of the EU had voted UKIP instead of their usual, we’d already be on our way to regaining independence.

    No need for Clegg, Cameron or Millitwat.

    And as a bonus, the Tories would meltdown, with the possibility of emerging as a decent principled party once more.

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    Lady Virginia Droit de Seigneur says:

    Labour MP’s do not have principles (nor indeed do MPs from any other party). Bung him a couple of grand and see what happens.

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    The Golem says:

    AK. Reminds me of the oldie but goodie:

    If it waddles like a duck and quacks like a duck, then it must be a duck.

    I think a genuine conservative would die of culture shock in the present cabinet.

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    Stephen Allison says:

    Vote UKIP my ar*e!

    The noble cause that UKIP once stood for has become a joke under Nigel Farage and his carefully chosen NEC.

    They are now far too happy to play along on the EU gravy train because it fills their pockets well.

    Vote EUKIP more like!

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    Disgusted of Antarctica says:

    Agreed, but it ultimately doesn’t matter. A Tory government’s policies would be no different from the Coalition’s. Why the Conservative Party hasn’t been taken to Trading Standards over its name amazes me…

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    Mark Austin says:

    While agreeing that there is a problem with an under-educated and, in large part, unemployable section of the population, there’s no evidence that this is worse than in the past.

    The problem is two-fold. Firstly, the jobs that absorbed a poorly educated group have largely vanished.

    Secondly, many employers have not yet woken up to the fact that there is no longer a pool of intelligent trainable school leavers (they now mostly go on the college or university), and are consequently looking in the wrong place for employees, and are, not surprisingly, finding low educational achievement and ability.

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    Mark Oaten says:

    Call Me Dave loves the EU

    It’s a gravy train his pension scheme

    Politicos love them euro-sinecures

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    East European Migrant says:

    I’m doing fine, mate

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    Penfold says:

    Even with the Limp-Dicks dragging him back Call Me Dave is not the EuroSceptic he likes to think he is.
    He enjoys the Euro Conferences and the trappings too much to give it up, so much for listening to the views of the people, But Then, when did any prat in No 10 listen.

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    Mark Austin says:

    But if it was done as part of a negotiation on, for example, rescuing the Euro. A UK take-it-or-leave-it position. Accept the UK renegotiation or lose the Euro. That would concentrate minds.

  123. 123
    Disgusted of Antarctica says:

    Indeed. The pubs would run out of drink.

  124. 124
    Steve Lloyd says:

    How many immigrants are claiming JSA, disability or other benefits.

    Unemployment rates for people from non-White ethnic groups are generally higher than those from White ethnic groups. However, Indian men have a similar level of unemployment to Other White men, at 7 per cent and 6 per cent respectively.

    Pakistani women have the highest unemployment rates in Great Britain, at 20 per cent. The next highest female rates are among women from the Black African or Mixed ethnic groups (each 12 per cent). These rates are around three times the rates for White British and White Irish women (4 per cent each). The unemployment rates for Black Caribbean (9 per cent), Indian (8 per cent) and Chinese (7 per cent) women are around twice the rates for White British and White Irish women.

    Among men, those from Black Caribbean, Black African, Bangladeshi and Mixed ethnic groups have the highest unemployment rates (between 13 and 14 per cent). These rates are around three times the rates for White British and White Irish men (5 per cent in each case). The unemployment rates for Pakistani and Chinese men, 11 and 10 per cent,are around twice the rates for White British men or White Irish men.

    Working-age men and women from non-White ethnic groups are generally more likely than those from White groups to be economically inactive, that is, not available for work and/or not actively seeking work. Within each ethnic group, women are more likely than men to be economically inactive. Bangladeshi and Pakistani women have the highest working-age economic inactivity rates in Great Britain (75 per cent and 69 per cent respectively). These rates are up to three times the rates for White British, White Irish and Black Caribbean women (between 25 per cent and 26 per cent). Reasons include being a student, being disabled or looking after the family and home.

    Chinese men have the highest male economic inactivity rate, at 37 per cent, more than twice the rate for White British men (16 per cent). The vast majority of economically inactive Chinese men are students. Of course they are.

  125. 125
    ex-Tory says:

    The socialist political elite will tighten their stranglehold on power tomorrow if Neil Kinnock’s daughter-in-law becomes PM of Denmark, as expected. His son is a director of the World Economic Forum. They are champagne socialist, tax dodgers, claiming residency in Switzerland. Just proves how far the neo-marxist infiltration of all Europe’s institutions and media has succeeded, when even such blatant hypocrites can win popular support.

  126. 126
    Atar says:

    But this is exactly their technique for keeping voters from jumping ship to UKIP.

    Words expressed “in sympathy”
    Hints of a new “tough Eurosceptic stance”
    New rebates to our EU contributions
    “Cast-iron” promises of a referendum
    “Tough stance” on handing over more powers
    “EU-sceptic” groups allowed (under close watch and complete control)
    Whispers that Cam/Hague/Fox/whoever are secret EU-sceptics – just wait and see!

    And it’s all bollocks!

    The Conservatives will NEVER give us the choice on the EU.

    When was the last time a group Tory MP had the balls to actually put their job on the line over this?

    Exactly never.

  127. 127
    Atar says:

    Better than a cast-iron guarantee, that’s for sure.

  128. 128
  129. 129
    Atar says:

    A most excellent metaphor.

    Accurate an highly chucklesome.

  130. 130
    Atar says:

    Trouble is, there’s bugger-all evidence of the Tories winding back on any aspect of our absorption by the EU, is there?

    They want you to think that they will turn anti-EU at some stage – precisely why it’s always some distant time in the future is unclear.

    I’ve come to the conclusion that Conservative voters are being hoodwinked on this one, I’m afraid.

    It’s the only explanation that makes any sense.

  131. 131
    Atar says:

    Help yourself to some unlimited salad.

  132. 132
    Atar says:

    Slight correction:

    A total and utter fucking wanker laughing all the way to the (evil) bank on £190,000 pa plus expenses and a platinum/diamond encrusted pension.

    For fuck all.

    Partially helped by the destitute taxpayers via the Union Modernisation Fund.

  133. 133
    Atar says:

    Dave is under no illusion of being Eu-sceptic.

    He knows exactly what he’s doing.

    He and his are set up for life. Fuck the proles.

  134. 134
    Some Nice Honest Gypsy says:

    Come and stay in our holiday chalet for free.

    Bring friends!

  135. 135
    Stephen Allison says:

    @Steve Lloyd

    99% of all white British men who post long winded rants about “immigrants on JSA” are themselves claiming benefits.
    49% of which are on incapacity benefit for that twisted ankle back in 1993 and the remaining 51% are simply far too preoccupied with spreading their racist views on internet sites/forums to find or hold down work.

    Also… You seem to suggest that all of the ethnic groups other than “white British” are immigrants. None of them are second, third or fourth generation British born then?

  136. 136
    I don't need no doctor says:

    I see the union scum leaders are spouting on about taking industrial action. Great when your on a six figure salary and won’t lose pay if you strike. Are all the union members “in this together”. Do as I say comrade not as I do.

  137. 137
    Steve Lloyd says:

    Allison. You assume i am white, unemployed and racist, for posting widely available statistics. Typical leftist “thinking”, from, I suspect, a typical public sector trougher. And if that upsets you, thenplease refrain from posting baseless accusations yourself.

  138. 138
    Not quite the greatest batsman ever says:

    Interesting statistics posted by @Steve Lloyd, and believable, which yours aren’t, all the same.

  139. 139
    Kerching says:

    Perhaps, just maybe, a REAL Conservative government would sell off the BBC to the highest bidder. Then those that wanted it could pay for it.

  140. 140
    Kerching says:

    … and just exactly how many highly paid civil servants/quangoists were employed to research all this utter tripe? Who actually cares?

  141. 141
    nostradamus says:

    Cameron would have still have broken his promise on a referendum, lets face it he is a born liar, a Blair clone!

  142. 142
    nostradamus says:

    Thanks to Blair and that dysfunctional weardo Brown.

  143. 143
    Steve Lloyd says:

    Too many probably, and the hard pressed taxpayer who has to fund them.

  144. 144
    Anon. says:

    Yes, Yes, Yes!!

  145. 145
    Anon. says:

    Surely we don’t have that much influence – we arn’t even in the Euro? Don’t they really hate us and think we are basically anti-european anyway?

  146. 146
    Charlie says:

    Servile dicks.
    All lining up to be buggered whilst the crumpets toast.
    Thank You they muttered as they lost their pride and gained another step up.

  147. 147
    David Laws Lib Dem fiddler says:

    Eu does not give us any benefits, there is a £42 billion trade deficit, they will want to keep selling to us whether we are in or out. The other additional costs and burdens have become too great- immigration, energy costs, farming and fishing regulation killing our sources of food and jobs, Eurocrat pay and pensions, Human Rights Act killing employment far too lenient on criminals. Yes we can be part of a trading club to compete against Asia, America, China, but not at the expense of becoming a European state. This does not have to happen.

    Nazi slur by Clegg demonstrates his flawed character. After reading this article I suggest he clears off to Germany or Spain and leaves the UK alone. We do not need people like him in politics or government.

    In an article, Clegg wrote that “all nations have a cross to bear, and none more so than Germany with its memories of Nazism. But the British cross is more insidious still. A misplaced sense of superiority, sustained by delusions of grandeur and a tenacious obsession with the last war, is much harder to shake off”.[38][39] The article was dusted down during the 2010 General Election campaign when the Daily Mail interpreted the article as being a “Nazi slur on Britain”

  148. 148
    Cast Iron Dave says:

    If you sign the petition, then you’re a loony fruitcake or a closet racist!

  149. 149
    Anonymous says:

    If we had PR everyone could have voted for whatever party they preferred and we’d currently have a Tory/UKIP government.

  150. 150
    Anonymous says:

    Useless Eustace indeed.How long before he gets his reward?It’s a damned PLACEBO!Wake up!Surely your not going to allow yourselves to be conned by dave yet again?

  151. 151
    Hang The Bastards says:

    Do what I did. Write to your local Conservative Party and tell them to take your name of their supporters list.

    I cited the main reason was Daves refusal to deliver on referendum and his pro Europe stance (not what I voted for)

    If the grass roots see the pain then dumb fuck Dave might just get it.

  152. 152
    billy hague bites yer bum says:

    and quite a few braincells

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