September 2nd, 2011

Labour Still Picking Up The Bill

When Labour launched their defence procurement review back in December last year, they announced their “Review Team” which included:

“Bill Thomas, former Senior Vice President and General Manager (EMEA) for Hewlett-Packard Company.”

Like with Michael Dugher yesterday, it’s the not the immediate past job that raises eyebrows…

Hewlett Packard bought our old friends EDS in 2008 and Bill Thomas was Senior Vice President EMEA when Micahel Dugher joined the company as their top UK lobbyist in 2006. Now Dugher is leading the same review into defence procurement, which is set to take into consideration:

  • How can we achieve Value for Money for all programmes?
  • How can we prevent scope creep and programme delay?
  • How can we ensure future delivery of equipment programmes are to time and on budget? 

Given Bill Thomas has been brought in for his expertise in the field, let’s have a little look at his track record in regard to delays and budgets. In 2006 RAF servicemen didn’t get paid for six weeks after EDS botched the implementation of new software. The £456 million Child Support Agency system, built by EDS, had “five hundred faults in the three years after it went live”. The Agency ended up manually inputting 36,900 cases as a result of an EDS IT failure. In 2003, Bill himself took full responsibility for a Revenues and Customs IT disaster that shafted the Inland Revenue. It is widely considered to be the worst government IT cock-up ever. EDS had to pay-out £70 million in compensation for the mess, but negotiated further government work before paying up. Guido could go on, but you get the picture…

When profiled by the Telegraph in 2007, Thomas said “if things go well it’s not interesting” and he certainly made that his motto. Guido can see very little reason Bill Thomas has anything to do with trying to coordinate successful procurement. Other than being Michael Dugher’s mate, obviously…

See Also: Ed’s PPS and MoD Lobbying Links and Dugher’s Defence.


  1. 1
    Billy Bowden is the greatest umpire ever ! says:

    This is shocking or is it?

    It seems the norm now.


    yorkierosie profile

    yorkierosie RT @TheIndyNews Gordon Brown issues challenge over Sunday Times recordings -The Indep..


    • 19
      Newbie says:

      What is the point of posting a link. Don’t you have any thought process of your own?


      • 22
        Billy Bowden is the greatest umpire ever ! says:

        Cant you read?

        The post is in two small parts , one a link to bonkers Brown and a comment on corruption which is now the norm.

        Google specsavers.


        • 31
          A snot-nosed, lying, whining, cheating c*nt, in fact typical LieBore, - and led it (once) says:

          I shall make a statement to the House detailing the full extent of the contracts laid down by LieBore in my first class time in office.

          I shall also lay down details of those who lay down

          1. in the Missionary position

          2. the impossible position

          3. the invidious position

          I myself am not able to give any details of my position – or my choice of biscuit.

          You can tell by the smirks on our faces that I can however, tell the house that my party and I are squeaky clean, – look at our hands!

          And now, I will give a demonstration of that weird jaw movement I do when I’m lying.


        • 33
          Anonymous says:

          Cherie Blair blasted for being ‘unduly lenient’ when she refused to jail £140,000 cocaine smuggler
          Decision on drugs case was ‘a startling result’ say appeal judges
          Sentence quashed and dealer jailed for three and a half years

          Read more:


          • Lord Trombone. W says:

            Dorries is coming under pressure to reveal how her allies are funded. One of the most vocal public supporters of the Right to Know campaign backing the Dorries amendment to the healthcare bill is the lobby group Christian Concern, which is linked to a wealthy US evangelical organisation, the Alliance Defence Fund.

            FCK OFF NANDINE


      • 25
        Vince Cable's secret offshore account says:

        This sounds about right, incompetence, failure and Labour.


      • 26
        Billy Bowden is the greatest umpire ever ! says:


        What about this one

        Stick yur head up your arse and fuck off to swaziland.


        • 32
          F. A. Ecal says:

          Ohhh mmmm – do you mean that!


          • Fiscal Gerrymandering says:

            Bill Thomas is more of a John Thomas

            His achievements are almost as impressive as Ed Balls and Charlie Falconer. Even Brown and Blair struggle to beat this record of success.

            It’s a good job Labour always select such winners – just look at great party unionification job Ed Miliband and Tom Baldwin are doing!


    • 64
      M says:

      Yep another throw back to the labour disaster that blights us all .
      I got married a few weeks ago & my honeymoon is over .
      Bitching about labour ( although therapeutic ) is too easy .
      I feel we need policies that get the millions on benefits back to work .
      Here goes , getting back to work costs a fuck load of money . If you’ve got to buy a car to get work it’ll cost a fuck load of money on insurance , petrol & general maintenance .
      So if you want to get back to work a tax break is needed but one that keeps them in work .
      Business get the same tax breaks in their set up cost, Give individuals the same tax break not only will it cut the welfare bill but it will give them their self respect.

      PS get rid of Vince Cable!


    • 65
      Gordon king of Scotland says:

      thats my boys all aboard the gravy train express I thank you


    • 98
      Red Ed says:

      Fuck you Fawkes. Lining our own pockets is what labour does best.


    • 176
      The Sheikh Of Arabeee says:

      I knew this c u n t at school.

      Fucking loudmouthed fucking fat c u n t back then and he obviously hasn’t changed.

      Smashed up any more phoneboxes recently, Billy?


    • 181
      Crikey says:

      I wouldn’t trust this spiv to sweep up leaves. Whats going on?


  2. 2
    I. P. Daley says:

    I’d comment if I knew what the fuck you were talking about.


    • 5
      U. P. Daley ? says:

      It’s all there in red, blue and b l a c k you monger.


    • 84
      I'll sum it up for you says:

      Labour are an incompetent shower of bastards.


    • 92
      Dr Donothing says:

      Troughing, thieving, incompetence, corruption, political graft, pork and the deliberate holding back of our country’s efficient administration.

      Nothing to worry about. Vote as you always do.


  3. 3
    Billy Bowden is the greatest umpire ever ! says:

    At what cost would a clean parliament be?

    Only people with no vioce in parliament are taxpayers.

    are they inbreed for corruption, how can you get so many crooks working in one building?


  4. 4
    Sniper says:

    New Labour, Old Chums.

    Were they picked from an all-hoons shortlist?


  5. 6
    Lord Stansted says:

    In Thomas’s own words, he’s “a recognised authority in IT-enabled business transformation, programme and change management.”

    Not a shrinking violet then. The egos and self-importance of public figures never cease to amaze me.


  6. 7
    Ed Balls esq. says:

    What are we paying these guys?


    • 13
      Stinkfinger says:

      When my local council lost £4 million in the Iceland bank fiasco I found out the cu*t in charge of finance earned 70K a year.
      I could have fucked it up for 25K a year.


  7. 8
    Billy Bowden is the greatest umpire ever ! says:

    Celtic to be reinstated to the Europ Legue ( appe*l withstanding).


  8. 15
    Billy Bowden is the greatest umpire ever ! says:

    SAVE MONEY on expensive sex lines by calling the Samaritans and saying: ” talk dirty or I’ll kill myself.”


  9. 17
    I don't need no doctor says:

    Dugher, Thomas, how many more. Where is Mandleson getting the £8 million from.
    How many ex labour MPs or ex ministry personnel have got high paid jobs. Anybody out there got a list that could be posted?


  10. 20
    Kered Ybretsae says:

    Should this be ‘Delboy Dugher’ .


  11. 27
    Sir William Waad says:

    Rumour has it that, during the contract with HM Revenue & Customs, Revenue staff became fed up with working alongside EDS types who were not only being paid more than them for the same job, but boasted that they were being paid through offshore ‘umbrella company’ scams so as to evade National Insurance.


    • 73
      Bill Thomas says:

      That and everything done shittily

      In December 2003, EDS lost a 10-year £3 billion contract to run Inland Revenue IT services after a series of serious delays in the payment of tax credits, the contract instead being awarded to the company Cap Gemini. EDS had operated systems for the Inland Revenue since 1994 but the performance of its system had been low, causing late arrival of tax credit payments for hundreds of thousands of people.


      • 79
        Anonymous says:

        CAP are no better, all these outsourcing companies are esentially over paid simpletons.



        • 82
          Grodon Bwron says:

          That’s how we did it – same as PPP and all the other scams – take it off the books.

          Ye mus’ admit, – ah’m a clev’r bugga’

          Well . .


      • 86
        Must get a pseudonym one day says:

        ‘Tis true (having worked there at the time) but it’s really not EDS, Cap Gemini or Fujitsu etc. we should be blaming – they’re just commercial traders.

        The real fault lies with the utterly incompetent contract managers at HMRC who are incapable of understanding that when you are a ‘customer’ spending billions with a ‘supplier’, that gives you certain rights to beat the shit out of that supplier to make sure they deliver the goods from Day 1 to contract end.

        Instead, the HMRC ‘hot-shots’ merely seek a quiet life, leading to their cosy pensions, lubricated along the way with as many corporate freebies as they and their wives/partners can manage to fit in along the way, hence their continuing acceptance of crap service, over-charging and upwards contract adjustments in-flight.

        Who cares if the contract’s crap ? No-one ever gets fired, the Project Managers get an OBE, the wives get to Wimbledon, so the game continues. ‘Twas ever thus.


  12. 28
    Jen from the IT Crowd says:

    IT stands for Internet Thingies.


  13. 30
    Billy Bowden is the greatest umpire ever ! says:

    My take on the price of gold

    “I get how it’s a safe bet etc. But who needs gold nowadays
    apart from gypsies and pirates?”


  14. 34
    anonymous says:

    any relation?

    Brazil’s finance minister Guido Mantega has said that another round of “quantitative easing” in the US will prolong the global currency war and create “problems” for Brazil.


  15. 35
    Anonymous says:



  16. 36
    Anonymous says:

    Is it not bleedin’ well obvious that all these c’unts are in it together. They do deals, they make pacts, they sign contracts that always benefit them. And we the fuckin’ stupid taxpayers just keep on footing the bill.

    It doesn’t matter what party or affiliation they belong to – they are all the fuckin’ same. And they always win. And we always lose. It doesn’t have to be this way but we have to take action not just mutter inanities under our breath FFS


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  18. 38
    BillyBob... says:

    Just a bunch of C U N T S !!!


  19. 39
    It's all Balls says:

    Guido, you have been too long away from the business world. We need Government IT projects to support local businesses like Ferrari and Dom Perignon.


  20. 41
    nell says:

    Is it not curious that labour in oppostion are undertaking a Defence procurement Review but seem completely unable to formulate any day to day policies in respect of the economy or health or education?


  21. 42
    annette curton says:

    EDS Miliband?.


  22. 43
    8 Ace - £1.49 says:

    EDS fuck up time and again and yet were awarded public contract after public contract under Blair and Bruin. Painfully obvious cocks were being swallowed but no other bugger ever got a look-in, apart from the monkey stuff that paid peanuts.


  23. 45
    Labour says:

    Only the horrid baby eating Tories do things like that. We’re whiter than white.


  24. 48
    Larry the Cat says:

    Wait till I get my claws into them.


  25. 49
    Anonymous says:

    In case you didn’t know what EDS stands for, in IT circles:

    Everything done shit.


  26. 50
    Bobby says:

    On defence savings

    Save the Gurkhas

    And abolsh the House of Ermin Vermin

    If you want value for money from honest people…


    • 71
      Eva Precious Brick of Love says:

      save Ghurkas harpoon a honda


    • 175
      oddly helpful says:

      Private security firms pay much better than HM Forces do. The Gurkhas’ reputation goes before them and it is hard to see that they will have any trouble at all getting work.


  27. 53
    Bobby says:

    O/T New Labour

    I find it astonishing given the moral collapse caused by New Labour that this woman is still allowed to sit as a judge

    Her husband should be judged first of all


  28. 58
    Please view this short clip and understand why we kicked Nazi arse! says:


  29. 59
    Anonymous says:

    Michael Dugher looks very proud of his enormous horn.


  30. 60
    Anonymous says:

    I guess its along the lines of Gordon Browns claims of being the right man to sort out the Financial Crises at the last General Election


  31. 61
    Roy from the IT crowd says:

    Has he tried switching it off and on again?


    • 75
      IT one two eight says:

      hes unsrewed it cleaned the terminals and reassembled the main board…just completing the first run


  32. 63
    Moss of the IT Crowd says:

    This is terrible! Millions of chavs get extra Tax Credit that they never pay back and spend on fruit machines in Benidorm.


  33. 76
  34. 80
    Gewyne says:

    So who is paying for this ? I was under the impression Labour were cash strapped, so why even bother with this charade ?


  35. 85
    Sports Editor says:

    Bulgaria 0 England 2 half time

    the Bulgarian team for the second half is as follows:



  36. 87
    D L George says:

    Sorry if this has already been mentioned…

    Cameron having a go at Aunty about them peddaling left wing ideals. Bout bloody time.


    • 89
      The Bloody Brown Brotherhood of C*nts says:

      We at the Brotherhood recognise that truth is relative thingy, – y’kno, like it’s sort of . . . round us . . . a bit like the states of matter .. y’kno . . like wot they do at CERN ‘n stuff . . we dun a progy ’bout that las’ week ‘n that ‘Gordon, he’s like a Ftahre ‘n Brother tyo us . . we like worship the bowl he pees in ‘n that . . ‘n . . duz that help? mus’ fly ducky!


    • 91
      Billy Bowden is the greatest umpire ever ! says:

      The children used to respect (with a little bit of fear) the teacher, now the teacher fears the children.


      • 97
        Dr Donothing says:

        I despised half of them. Still, they did actually teach – and, also, they knew stuff – latin, history, geography, maths etc. They’d got degrees in their subjects in days when degrees meant something.


        • 99
          Billy Bowden is the greatest umpire ever ! says:

          I never finished my education (not a classroom type), but the teacher had control and parents were involved, now the parents leave it to the teachers then the teachers leave it to socail services then they pass it on to police etc.

          Personal responsabilty has been made illegale.


  37. 90
    Billy Bowden is the greatest umpire ever ! says:

    So Guido i see you could not respond my question about hypocrcy, Maybe you have become the thing you once exposed.

    How are your double stantards different to Polly Toynbees?


  38. 93
    nell says:

    Have to laugh at the headline Guido.

    labour picking up the bill!!

    They didn’t even pick up their own bar bills in the HoP before the last election and haven’t paid them since!!

    Running up debt and spending other people’s money – it’s the only thing labour knows.


  39. 100
    Billy Bowden is the greatest umpire ever ! says:

    Are Labour and the BBC trying to put whgat Dave done and compare it to the riots?


    • 117
      the trouble is . . . the trouble is says:

      CMD believes the stuff the BBC puts out – it’s like a thing that goes round and round – is he that stupid?

      Actually, I know the answer.


    • 127
      nell says:

      labour are trying to say the trashing and looting of london is no more than the high jinks of some uni lads?!!

      It just shows how out of touch with reality labour are.


  40. 112
    Larry the Cat for PM says:

    I’m surprised Guido hasn’t done a thread on the mother of a murder victim who spoke after her daughter’s killer was sentenced today. She said in her statement she’d like to see capital punishment restored. I don’t agree but it probably help Guido’s petition.


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    albacore says:

    Those who can, do.
    Those who can’t and have demonstrated time and again not only what not to do but how, nevertheless, to charge an even higher price for it, must surely be possessed of the very knowledge required here.
    Mind you, teaching Labour about Murphy’s Law is like giving Wee Jimmy Brown lessons in gurning.


  43. 144
    Larry the Cat for PM says:

    I shouldn’t really be spending my Fri night like this but I’m back from drinks, feeling tipsy, and now watching Secret World of Whitehall on bbc2. A Michael Cockrell documentary about the Cabinet Secretary. Not bad so far actually.


  44. 145
    Bogeyman says:

    Why would Labour want a “defence procurement review team” anyway? They know eff all about anything, least of all defence procurement.

    Pompous assholes.


    • 155
      TwatWatch says:

      LieBore knew how to screw the UK well enough!

      (Thinks – did they screw Scotland? )

      I’ll replace the first line with

      LieBore knew how to screw the UK ENGLAND well enough!


    • 161
      Desperate Dan says:

      There are fewer troughing opportunities for Labour now that they’re in opposition and there are fewer bribery opportunities for the defence industry now that Labour are in opposition. Its a marriage made in hell.


  45. 148

    What does PST stand for?

    Pacific Standard Time?
    Personal Storage Table?
    Psychology Software Tools?
    Please Send Tell?
    Please Show Tits?
    P*k*stan Standard Time?
    Personal Solar Telescope?
    Prison Service Trust?
    Production Systems Technologies?

    Polly Stinking Toynbee.

    Good one, Guido!


  46. 150
    albacore says:

    As we’re discussing flawed defence contracts, I wonder if Dapper Dave will do a Milo Minderbinder and lease the UN some hi-tech RAF jets to bomb the British government into submission.


  47. 154
    Anonymous says:

    A beautiful fairy appeared one day to an immigrant claimant outside the Social Security Offices.
    ‘My good man,’ the fairy said,
    ‘I’ve been told to grant you three wishes,
    Since you’ve just arrived in England with your wife and seven children.’

    The man told the fairy:
    ‘Well, where I come from we don’t have good teeth, so I want new teeth, maybe a lot of gold in them.’
    The fairy looked at the man’s almost toothless grin and — PING !!!
    He had a brand new shining set of gold teeth in his mouth!

    ‘What else?’ asked the fairy, ‘two, more wishes, to go’.
    The refugee claimant now got bolder.
    ‘I need a big house with a three car garage in Birmingham with eight bedrooms for my family and the rest of my refugee relatives who still live in my country.
    I want to bring them all over here.
    PING ! – In the distance there could be seen a beautiful mansion with a three car garage, a long driveway, a walkout patio with a BBQ, and a sparkling swimming pool and a BMW, full of his nephews playing their music.

    ‘One more wish left for you’, said the fairy, waving her wand.

    I want to be English with English clothes instead of rags, and shawl and I want to have white skin like the English.’

    PING ! – The man was transformed, wearing worn out jeans from ASDA, a dirty Primark T-shirt and a greasy baseball cap.
    He had his bad teeth back and the mansion had disappeared from the horizon.
    ‘What happened to my new teeth?’ he wailed.
    ‘Where is my new house? Where’s my Visa Gold Card?’

    The fairy said. .
    ‘Tough luck. Now that you are English, you’re entitled to

    Sweet f*** all like the rest of us.


  48. 158
    Desperate Dan says:

    The BBC spent yesterday telling us that British involvement in Libya costs too much and is a waste of money.

    I think public spending on the University of Coventry, when they put on bullshit courses like this one for the benefit of public sector parasites, is a waste of money:

    Postgraduate Certificate in Community Cohesion Management
    Postgraduate Diploma in Community Cohesion Management
    MA in Community Cohesion Management


    • 160
      F*ck the Pie Keys and all the Yoomun Rights scum, also Cherry Bliar and her scum says:

      F*ck Community Cohesion “Courses” too!



    • 173
      Lanchester Lad says:

      A large percentage of Post Graduate courses are paid for by either the student or their employer NOT the taxpayer(councils especially locally where most of Coventry’s domestic post-grads students live……very few of post-grads on these courses live in halls…… have actually cut back drastically in funding their employees)In addition Coventry,like so many other universities relies on a high percentage of foreign students/graduates who pay the full fees themselves or their overseas government do.They also pay all accomodation costs.

      If you walk around Priory Row,Far Gosford Street,Cox Street etc where the campus is you will see that actually Coventry has a very high percentage of foreign post-grad and under-grads who subsidise UK students.

      However as to the subject matter you have hit the nail on the head as there are undoubtedly quite a few “spurious” courses but Coventry is no different to most other universities in this respect.It rather proves the point that going to university is no longer worthwhile unless you study a vocational subject such as engineering etc in which Coventry Uni excels historically….. prior to 1992 being the Lanchester Poly(then Coventry Poly)…as a university it was required under the 1992 act top expand its curriculum to get funding(again like other ex-polys)Whether the government should have encouraged technical colleges/polytechnics to evolve into universities and thus dilute the actual “University Degree” standard(?)is of course another matter and doubtless there will be many on both sides of the argument.


      • 178
        Night Owl (who has watched) says:

        here is an outline of the inexorable rise of a backstreet College in some provincial town – repeated many times throughout the country:

        “xx College ” > > “XX Polytechnic ” >> “University of blah de blah” = presumptuous purveyor of bullshit courses

        And with fair number of cod “doctors” of this, that, or the bloody other.


      • 179
        Desperate Dan says:

        The course is aimed at the following:

        “-local authority Community Cohesion Officers
        -managers and team workers from the voluntary, community and private sectors with an interest in this area
        -individuals with a background in equal opportunities and diversity who may be looking to develop their role
        -professionals working in police, fire and rescue services, health, housing, planning, education and other services who need a deeper understanding of cohesion, equalities and diversity.

        They look like publicly funded parasites in non-jobs to me.


  49. 164
    Funny how she refers to her "husband" by his full name. What genuine spouse does that? says:


  50. 166
  51. 167
    Billy Bowden is the greatest umpire ever ! says:

    England win toss and put India into bat.


  52. 168
    MAD FRANKIE HADDOCK son of COD says:

    I see the American government are to sue Barclays and RBS
    they really must be broke and clutching at straws , as they are the fuckers who caused the banking crash by selling our stupid greedy banks all their toxic debt !


    • 171
      Billy Bowden is the greatest umpire ever ! says:

      Hang on, dont WE own RBS?

      So the USA goverment is sueing our goverment?


    • 172
      Daydream Believer says:

      You make a very valid point….I don’t usually agree with “McIdiot” but he was right when he said “It started in America !”…..The USA Congress labours under the mis-apprehension that they can sue who the hell they like and that American law rules the planet…although they themselves are not subject to the laws of other countries……and you wonder why not even their “friends” can stand their hubris ????


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    Leslie Nielsen says:

    I’d just like to say we’re all counting on you Billy Bowden to continue showing yourself up to be the sad, sycophantic fuck you are.


  55. 174
    Forlornehope says:

    I worked for a large private sector company that had outsourced its IT to EDS. I can truly say that I have never come across a more venal or incompetent company.


  56. 177
    The Sheikh Of Arabeee says:

    That fucking one-eyed fucking thief Drayson and now Big Fat Billy Thomas, the phone-box vandal of yore.

    The only thing they’re interested in procuring is more fucking money to line their own pockets.


  57. 182
    hazar says:

    Socialism fails when it runs out of other people’s money!

    These are possibly the 5 best sentences you’ll ever read:

    1. You cannot legislate the poor into prosperity by legislating the wealthy out of prosperity.

    2. What one person receives without working for, another person must work for without receiving.

    3. The government cannot give to anybody anything that the government does not first take from somebody else.

    4. You cannot multiply wealth by dividing it!

    5. When half of the people get the idea that they do not have to work because the other half is going to take care of them, and when the other half gets the idea that it does no good to work because somebody else is going to get what they work for, that is the beginning of the end of any nation.


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