August 22nd, 2011

Ed’s Attacks Did Not Fly

In what was to rapidly become his custom style, Cameron was late to the Libyan crisis. British oil workers were stranded for a hairy few days in the middle of the desert. However credit where credit is due, he was quick to get the No-Fly Zone plan discussed, risking an international kicking  at the early stages when other NATO countries were not so keen.

Back at the very end of February and into the first days of March, Labour were quick to try stop Cameron’s No-Fly Zone plan from getting off the ground. Miliband, conscious of the anti-war vote he hoovered up in the leadership election, tried to humiliate the Prime Minister at PMQs on 2nd March by suggesting that firstly nobody supported his plan, and secondly that our armed services were unable to cope:

“On Monday, the Prime Minister floated the idea of a no-fly zone. On Tuesday, however, a number of foreign Governments distanced themselves from the idea…

Can he reassure the House and the country that any increase in our military commitments that he is talking about, including in north Africa, can be met at a time when we are reducing capability?”

And it wasn’t just Ed. The Shadow Foreign Secretary took to the pages of the Observer to mock Hague for“talking up” plans for a No-Fly Zone, only to be forced to climb down on them. Remind us how that worked out again wee Dougie?

Ed eventually fell into line and had to resort to having his big brother advise him on how to deal with the crisis. Just remember all this when you see the Labour leader pop up on television any moment now to praise the end result…

UPDATE:

He didn’t believe it enough to stop him trying to score points…


236 Comments

  1. 1
    Billy Bowden is the greatest umpire ever ! says:

    Was this Daves “Falklands”?

    • 4
      Anonymous says:

      no

    • 5
      Grunt from the Goose Green Gorse Gully says:

      No

      • 40
        misterned says:

        This is not British Territory being defended, but it is British interests being defended and an evil tyrant is about to be overthrown by his own people, legally and with minimal cost and much less bloodshed than the lefty doom-mongers were predicting. The ‘rebels’ have been in Tripoli for over 24 hours and there is no sign of the city-wide bloodbath that the lefties predicted.

        There have been some left wing alternative news websites carrying all of Gaddafi’s lies without question or qualification these past 6 months. Constantly bemoaning the West’s intervention, Constantly accusing the west of war crimes, constantly predicting massive mission creep into a long and bloody occupation of the sort Blair led us into in Iraq and Afghanistan.

        It is about time that Cameron and Sarkozy got the credit they deserve for this, and NOTICE particularly the success of a European led mission without Obama’s lot fucking things up!

        The French and British have a very much longer history of fighting and nation building and doing so rather successfully.

        Labour, got us into a long, bloody, protracted, expensive and illegal war based on lies and political ambition.

        This tory led coalition got us into a legal, swift, comparatively very inexpensive humanitarian mission leading to the popular overthrow of an evil tyrant, by his own people, with an alternative native government ready and waiting to take over with the apparent support of the people.

        There will still be set backs and problems, but so far, this is far more effective and proper than anything Blair or Brown did!

        • 99
          Spartacus says:

          Before the american proxy called nato got involved we had troops on the ground – they were captured, remember.
          Now Britain, sorry the UK is a front runner.
          Civilians and the like, tough luck. No fly zone means ground attack is all fair game.
          We should not be there.
          Its a grubby oil grab.
          Four american air bases in Iraq each bigger than Baghdad airport.
          How many in Libya are they planning?

          • sockpuppet #4 says:

            Why would america need air bases in Libya?
            Seriously. Look at a map for nato allies.

            If they’d have been that keen they might have been in Chad, like france. (where they train their pilots … apparently for the sake of youtube).

          • AC1 says:

            Conspiracy “theorists” don’t need maps.

          • Call me Infidel says:

            Misterned I dont entireley disagree with you. Gaddafi is an odious murdering thug, but I suspect his replacement will end up as much the same, maybe worse. The arabs dont do democracy.

          • Greychatter says:

            99: Sparticus;

            You another Left Wing apologist??

        • 108
          Dick the Prick says:

          how the fuck do you know it’s legal?

          • One man's rebel is another's freedom fighter says:

            Cos’ “The Winners” always write history that’s why !!

            N.B.

            There was a subtle change sometime last evening as news reports started to say “Freedom Fighters” instead of “Rebels”…..and the people of Tripoli came out on the streets and apparently steted they never supported Gaddafi …..just as there were never any Ba’athists in Baghdad or Nazis in Berlin..truly amazing

          • misterned says:

            The UN, NATO, EU, UK all say so. The self defence remit in the UN articles relating to war make it legal for the ‘rebels’ and The rest of the military alliance were going to the aid of civilians about to be massacred. All this made it legal.

            IN addition as legal cover there was a specific UN resolution calling on Gaddafi to withdraw all his military to their bases, stop attacking civilians and allow unfettered access to the humanitarian agencies. He never complied. That resolution DID allow a specific military response to enforce it. Again, making the action 100% legal.

            You cannot say that about Iraq! UN resolution did NOT specifically allow military intervention. Only through a convoluted and questionable legal argument could it be argued that 1441 allowed the military sanction in earlier resolutions validate military action, though this is disputed by experts in international law and the former head of the UN, Kofi Annan.

            This military intervention was 100% legal.

          • Anonymous says:

            One of the main lessons of History that we never seem to learn is that by and large the occupants of a city will always cheers the occupying army into their town for the simple reason they dont want them to kill them. What they really think and what some may be doing behind the scenes is another matter.

          • misterned says:

            “and the people of Tripoli came out on the streets and apparently steted they never supported Gaddafi”

            Except that if you can remember only 6 months ago, when the protests started, that Tripoli’s Green Square was full of people who opposed Gaddafi ……… Until Gaddafi’s troops started shooting them.

            At the last “Pro Gaddafi rally” in Tripoli last week when Gaddafi called for a million people to take to the streets, about 100 did.

            Now we have images, wide angled and high up, showing HUGE crowds of people celebrating. Not like when they had to bus in people from Jordan to the Saddam Square in Baghdad for the toppling of his statue. Local Iraqis were not allowed in for that and the images of that were close in to make a small crowd appear bigger.

            This is NOT Iraq, no matter how much lefty apologists imagine or wish it to be.

          • misterned says:

            “One of the main lessons of History that we never seem to learn is that by and large the occupants of a city will always cheers the occupying army into their town for the simple reason they dont want them to kill them.”

            You have never studied history then. There are also many cases of occupiers having to fight there way into cities, or arriving and the locals turning their backs in protest.

            We are seeing the same scenes now as we saw at the beginning of the protest. Libyan’s in Tripoli, filling the streets in opposition to Gadaffi.

            You just find it hard to accept Libyan’s greeting fellow Libyan’s as liberators from a long dark evil tyranny of a monster.

            Sorry, but this is a legal and successful British military intervention which we all can be proud of. We have helped Libyan’s throw off an evil dictator and it cost much less than one week of labour’s deficit and zero loss of British servicemen’s lives.

            I know it is frustrating for people looking for and hoping for another Iraq to throw at this government, but Libya is not, and was never ever going to be, Iraq!

      • 221
        Grunt from Special Ops says:

        YES

    • 11
      Jethro Q. Walrus-Titty says:

      Whole point is we shouldn’t be there anyway-what business is ours to have interfered and do Sarkosy’s bidding into the bargain?
      It might not be long before we realise that we shouldn’t have interfered when we see Muslim fanatics manouevre for power-just as we shouldn’t have removed Saddam to see Iran unleased with no check to their ambitions in the area

      • 34
        sockpuppet #4 says:

        Note that the further you go from Iran/saudi the less fanatical they are.

        I used to know a guy from morroco, he wouldnt drink beer during ramadan.

      • 48
        misterned says:

        They have trillions of dollars worth of oil, and there is an Anglo-Franco towel on that deckchair keep us at the front of a big queue for cheap energy.

        We got fuck all out of Iraq, as most of the oil contracts went to other nations.

        As for doing Sarkosy’s bidding, it was Cameron who pushed for no-fly zones and pushed for the UN votes, (and was ridiculed by the lefties for it). Sarkosy was doing OUR bidding!

        • 61
          sockpuppet #4 says:

          I don’t get this. Usually you’re quite cynical about dave. which is appropriate for every politician.

          I don’t remember things being that way round, and anyway – Sarkozys greatest flaw is to be on the scene too quickly spouting off. I can’t believe he wasn’t first on the bandwaggon, even if he wasnt actually driving it.

        • 62
          Lurker says:

          Not entirely. The French went after Gadaffi for bringing down that airliner in Niger in the 90′s
          http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/292565.stm
          Sarko didn’t need much persuasion
          Anglo French towel on the deckchair sums it up nicely Mr Ned.

        • 163
          misterned says:

          Sockpuppet, I take every issue on its merits as I perceive them. With regards to Cameron, I give credit where he banned ID cards, scrapped surveillance databases and rolled back the surveillance state. I give credit to his leadership on this Libya intervention and on the delayed, but eventually correct analysis and action on the recent rioting. he should have acted a couple of days sooner, but he was correct in the end.

          As for the cuts? They are not far or deep enough. He is going a bit in the right direction on the economy, but much more needs to be done.

          His embrace of discriminatory political correctness is wholly wrong-headed. His embrace of climate alarmism is ill-judged and wrong.

          As for his utter betrayal on Europe, I find that treasonous and I would happily pull the lever if he were tried and found guilty of treason.

          I cannot find much at all with which I agree with the last labour government. They went some way to ending discrimination. Made great progress with blacks and gays, but then introduced new discrimination and prejudice against white heterosexual males in their Orwellian ‘equalities’ bill. So on one issue, labour were half right.

          • Fish says:

            What fucking utter betrayal on Europe?

            It was Brown who ratified and signed the Lisbon Treaty without consulting the electorate as Labour had promised. Once Brown had done that Cameron could do fuck all about it.

      • 175
        M says:

        Ask the relatives of the Pan Am flight over Scotland that was blown out of the sky ,what it it feels like to be “interfered” with !

    • 18
    • 33
      RED ED - SON OF BROWN says:

      Are you suggesting I’m a hypocritical, opportunist, back-stabbing loser ??

    • 70
      M says:

      Unfortunately not , but cameron must high light labours closeness to Gadddafi’s socialism

      • 85
        The BBC is Biased says:

        I note that there was a Libyan gentleman on BBC Breakfast this morning who went to great lengths to praise Cameron and the British Govt. for their support. At that point the BBC breakfast presenters cut the interview short and turned away looking quite appalled.

        • 118
          Dick the Prick says:

          I kinda like Gadaffi. If that numbnuts has kept 70 million ayraabs shut up for 40 years then good luck to him. He doesn’t put Somalis up in top drawer digs! He kicks the fuckers out

          • John Bellingham says:

            He is never given credit for being a Queen’s Scout in the 1950s and for not just permitting, but actively encouraging a non-political Boy Scout movement in Libya.
            Of course, he’s tied up in knots now.

        • 129
          M says:

          Was the interviewer wearing green

        • 181
          Owlett says:

          On Today JustEvan sounded like he was eating sh1t sandwiches.

          • feck off ed miliband ur gay says:

            wonder what happened to all of the Colonels body guards. they were sexy and need banging

    • 116
      Admiral Leach says:

      No
      And before everyone starts patting each other on the back there is still a lot of killing to take place. Whether our presence has been for good or ill will take a lot longer than a few days to acccess. I’ve seen some of this type of thing up close and it sickens me the way our PR Elite happily commit others to do their fighting whilst grandstanding in the joke shop of a Parliament.

      • 119
        Dick the Prick says:

        You volunteered petal

        • 231
          Admiral Leach says:

          Dear Prick,
          Indeed and you benfited from the violence done in your name. I don’t have a problem with it but when I see spinless politicos posturing without any sense of the reality of their decisions it’s a little galling.

    • 162
      Giles Farmer says:

      Total Right Wing Hypocrisy!!!!!!!

    • 220
      Ivan Agenda says:

      Absolutely.
      Words cannot express listening to Douglas Alexander explain how good the Labour Party are on war and how this government need to up their game. Coming from a man that has never, and never see real action this is the height of incompetence and double standards. At least he admits mistakes were made in planning the war but this is difficult not to do, as the new United Services report clearly states that Labour and the military made costly errors. This man should be in prison for his distortion of the truth.

  2. 2
    Billy Bowden is the greatest umpire ever ! says:

    Guido

    This and your post yesterday about “One term Tories” has got me thinking, Wasnt it the Falklands war that turned it around for Baroness Thatcher?

    As i said on previous thread this has been done with UN backing before we started bombing Mad Dog, No British troops killed (not that i know of) and a quite speedy end.

    Compare that with Iraq…….

    • 14
      Dream on Dave says:

      True about the Falklands – however they are British and not to have got them back would have been a National Humiliation of the first order.

      • 27
        Phantom says:

        The Falklands was very, very close that they almost failed too. Sandy Woodward’s write-up is very compelling reading.

        That little expedition took serious cojones and it killed the post-war consensus stone dead.

        Billy is right though, it was Cameron, Cameron, Cameron and Ed should go back to his job as Milk Monitor.

        UN resolution, no-fly zone, air support and an invigorated indigenuous local effort.

        Major kudos to Billy Hague and Cameron on this one.

        That’s how you liberate a country Blair……

        • 45
          sockpuppet #4 says:

          yes things worked out OK, but its rather too loyal to say its all Cameron’s doing.

          Having a more sensible international consensus around what to do, and not having pressure from the USA to do stupid things, was of great assistance to Cameron. Anyone like to thank Obama for not being as stupid as GW Bush? (thats very faint praise isnt it?)

          • misterned says:

            “Anyone like to thank Obama for not being as stupid as GW Bush? ”

            You mean ensuring American ground troops are not allowed anywhere near the fighting? That certainly helped.

          • AC1 says:

            The whole point of Iraq was to suck in Al Q and it’s supporters into a war there against the armed forces, rather than a war here against the police.

          • AC1 says:

            Afghanistan was very like Libya in the initial stages until we started “nation” building in a place that’s not a nation.

            IMHO we should have just done the same in Afghanistan and continued into “pakistan”‘s tribal zones and eradicated the tribes supporting Taliban Al Q.

            Then stopped.

          • sockpuppet #4 says:

            Do you really believe that AC1? It seems completely bizarre and futile.

            Its complicated logic (when they hadn’t worked out basics).
            It doesn’t fit in at all with what happened up to the “mission accompished” point, and certainly doesnt fit in with what happened after then.

            I remember in history lessons doing about the choice of battlefield for Azincourt or Bannockburn or whatever. So lets see, you want to fight al-q, so your choice of battlefield is:
            * urban
            * contains many religious factions already
            * will have all sorts of ex Baathists, protecting their territory and their arses to survive.
            * Has a large proportion of vaguely moderate or secular muslims, who could turn against you if you start shooting their neighbours are blowing up their houses.

            And you say this to convince me that bush wasn’t thick?

          • Dick the Prick says:

            @AC1 – Belgium’s not a nation. Have those turdburglers got a government yet or are they too busy fellating other suits?

          • AC1 says:

            What other battleground choice did they have?
            Afghanistan’s far harder to crack.
            Iran’s a no go.
            Saudi would kick up every rag head.
            Libya might have been better militarily but maybe they thought Daffy had more support.

          • Phantom says:

            Obama didn’t have the stomach for it more like.

            And there didn’t look as if there were any votes in it, which is just as well as your average GI Joe isn’t a great diplomatic asset.

          • sockpuppet #4 says:

            AC1: battleground choice:

            Well, you could chose not to fight “the war on terror” as a war with defined battlegrounds.
            (oops- you couldn’t actually make that choice.)

            It would have made more sense to ask all the terrorists to meet you on a nice bridge in east yorkshire.

        • 50
          blackdogtales says:

          Anyone who reckons the Falklands was ‘easy’ or – worse still – conjured up by Thatcher, is a deluded idiot. They only landed two brigades, struggled to achieve a favourable air situation, and the Argentinians were tough opponents. It shouldn’t have worked on paper.

          • Dick the Prick says:

            Reports coming out of Argentina suggest it’s a colony of feral pikeys! Mind you, we’ve got Prince Andrew – the Peoples Peado Pal. Ho hum.

        • 156
          Tessa Tickles says:

          “Ed should go back to his job as Milk Monitor.”

          Are you sure that’s wise? To put mongface in charge of milk?

          Think of the e.coli! Think of the listeria! For God’s sake, man, think of the children!

          • Edwina Curried Goat says:

            You have to be careful who you make milk monitor next term, look what happened to me when I was egg girl. I had to bed the PM to put all that right.

        • 205
          Owlett says:

          If this continues on to be a victory, it will have been closer to Gulf War #1 inasmuch as there was a kind of Arab blessing on it – a revenge against Saddam’s arrogance for trying to take Kuwait. There was the perception (tenuous as it was, in the reality) that this was the West helping out with Arab business, and the image that prevailed was that of a liberating campaign.

          10 years later, Iraq adventure #2 was seen as nothing but a self-interested war of revenge for 9/11 on the part of the West, which was less about liberation.

          If the Beeb has always taken a left-lib position, it didn’t used to exhibit quite such loony sympathies as of late. I recall an interview with one of their most respected reporters in the 90s -it may have been during an award ceremony for journalism- John Simpson, who when asked by the (Beeb) interviewer whom did he most despise in politics, answered Bush senior. This for the reason that he didn’t find the motivation, after the successful liberation of Kuwait and trouncing of the Iraqi forces, to carry on and march all the way to Baghdad.

    • 37
      FACTS says:

      The Falklands was an utter disgrace when the French and Spanish sided with the Argentinians.

      Not forgetting that the Argies were sailing around in “stretched” type 21 frigates supplied by the British.

      • 63
        Johnny says says:

        IIRC the French gave help to the UK on dealing with the exocet threat.

        • 183
          MrAngry61 says:

          As I recall there was an ‘understanding’ that the British wouldn’t take the guidance systems(French built) to bits. After the Atlantic Conveyor was sunk the British engineers “got to work with their screwdrivers”

      • 64
        misterned says:

        We will not keep the Falklands.

        When the EU replaces the UK and France on the permanent security council and The Argentinians wait for another Anglo-phobic left wing President in Washington DC, then the Argentinians will appeal to the UN, and with the Backing of Washington and Brussels, the Falklands will be handed over without a shot being fired.

      • 66
        Hava Nagila says:

        The French and Spanish didn’t side with Argentina. Spain was resolutely on Britain’s side and the French provided us with full technical details of the Exocet missile system.

        I have no idea where this fantasy of France helping Argentina came from. If it’s because the Froggies sold Exocets to the Argentines prior to the war, you should note that Britain also sold weapons to Argentina during that timeframe.

        • 88
          sockpuppet #4 says:

          Spain did abstain on the resolution supporting the uk, and voted for a cease fire.

          • Hava Nagila says:

            And supporting a ceasefire is the same as being at war with Britain.

            Using your logic, Switzerland and Sweden were members of the Axis – as was the USA, until 1941.

          • sockpuppet #4 says:

            Mr. Nagila.

            Did Switzerland and Sweden demand a cease fire between Britain and Germany? If they did they would be supporting the occupation of Poland and France.

            And that wasn’t my “logic” by the way. There is a difference between “support”, “side with” and “form a military coalition”.

            While we’re at it: was Lancashire on the side of the French during the Napoleonic war?

        • 90
          Anonymous says:

          Tosh

          To this very Day and it is in the Lisbon treaty Spain does NOT recognise British sovereignty of the Falklands.

          and during the War the French had a team in Argentina advising on Super etendard and exocet.

          • sockpuppet #4 says:

            French bit: I was looking for that, I wasn’t entirely sure on the dates though, they stopped such help very quickly, and indeed gave technical support to Britain.

          • Spartacus says:

            And the americans refused to give us awacs to see ‘over the horizon’, because it would be taking sides.
            Four sunken ships later . . . thanks for the impartiality.

          • Hava Nagila says:

            To this very Day and it is in the Lisbon treaty Spain does NOT recognise British sovereignty of the Falklands.

            That would be a lie.

            Provide a source, please, or admit you’re lying.

        • 134
          smoggie says:

          The frogs sent technicians out to Argentina to service the Exocets. That’s how they helped the fascist regime fighting a democratic ally.

      • 68
        Lurker says:

        Not entirely, Mitterand managed to stall deliveries of Exocets to the argies that had already been agreed before the conflict.
        He might have been handbagged by Thatch in to it, and probably called in the favour later but at least he did it.

        • 141
          Dick the Prick says:

          The French are utter knobheads but when you explain that something involves families and liberty they will get on board. Argentina surprised most people. Whereas Libya, meh

    • 109
      Spartacus says:

      “Senator, you’re no Jack Kennedy” – 1988 vice-presidential debate pointed at Senator Dan Quayle.

      Billy, to paraphrase:
      ” ‘Dave’ Cameron you’re no Margaret Thatcher”

  3. 3
    Andrew Efiong says:

    Ed Miliband, what a plonker!

    He should change his name to Sillyband.

  4. 6
    Steve Miliband says:

    “These strikes are wrong at a time when negotiations are still going on… But parents and the public have been let down by both sides because the government has acted in a reckless and provocative manner… After today’s disruption I urge both sides to put aside the rhetoric and stop it happening again.”

  5. 7
    StillWrong says:

    Who gives a monkey’s ? How much has this cost us ? Why couldn’t we just take out Gaddafi like bin Laden ?

    Why has it all taken six months ?

    Dave was just lucky that the Libyan Army dissolved – this was not our conflict and unless we expend more cash on the place it will turn into another Iraq.

    • 13
      Steve Miliband says:

      The oil revenue is more likely to spent on EU goods and services rather than propping up dodgy African dictatorships. Follow the money.

    • 25
      sockpuppet #4 says:

      If you took out Gaddafi then his offspring, or military leadership would have taken over, leaving you pretty much where you started off.

      • 69
        misterned says:

        True enough. The ‘rebels’ had to take out the supporting pyramid holding Gadaffi up. It would have been too easy for his son’s to take over and demand bloody revenge. We would have been in the same position.

    • 72
      misterned says:

      How much has this cost? less than a billion and all out of the standard military contingency of the MOD budget. Far less than Iraq cost!

    • 73
      Hava Nagila says:

      I might be willing to “take out” Gaddafi, but only if he goes Dutch on the restaurant bill and I get to pick the film we go to see.

    • 147
      M says:

      The cost & time of getting rid of bin laden you think was less ?
      Where are you from , economic planning for the labour party !

      • 226
        StillWrong says:

        One major difference. We had a reasonable idea where Colonel G. was most of the day.

        Also I thought Iraq was wrong from the start. It was the wrong target, we should have gone after Iran.

        p.s. I’m not sure that the generals would simply have taken over, we saw how quickly the Genrals and ministers changed sides. Without the unifying hard man, the subalterns would have splintered.

  6. 8
  7. 9
    Steve Miliband says:

    Still imagine Ed as PM and Simon Hughes as DPM?

  8. 10
    Dom says:

    Not quite, unless he can arrange to enter Tripoli on top of a chieftan tank in an Hermes headscarf.

    The real benefits from this. Will be the positive relationship that the British Government has with libya after the conflict. They could become our most important ME ally and trading partner.

  9. 12
    Footage coming in of Gaddafi's capture by US agent says:

  10. 15
    Phantom says:

    Stupid is as stupid does……

    Ed’s links to the LSE should be looked at in great detail as the name Saif Gadaffi pops up rather too many times for comfort to Ed Milliband.

    David Held. Follow the money……

  11. 16
    Billy Bowden is the greatest umpire ever ! says:

    I hate to say this but, Ed Miliband does not look as much of a twat as Gordon did when he had a Bullet proof vest on.

    • 32
      boulay says:

      that’s because it is not a bullet-proof vest. the army secretly swapped it for an electromagnet in the hope that should a bomb go off the resulting shrapnel would slice him to pieces.

    • 43
      Steve Miliband says:

      Gordon looked a twat whether he was in a suit, blazer or spaceman suit

  12. 17
    blackdogtales says:

    It’s a good result, a NATO operation, with UN backing, and the RAF playing a critical and central role, working very hard on this operation. The gradual support of the rebels has paid off, there is no need for an occupation and little risk of an insurgency. It may be a textbook template for the threat of other interventions in support of popular uprisings … Syria. At least it will give Cameron some good news and much-needed credibility as a leader.

  13. 19
    Juggler says:

    No lessons from Labour, they cut many deals with Libya.

  14. 20
    Anonymous says:

    As sure as eggs are eggs, Ed M gets it wrong, changes his mind & then jumps upon the current bandwagon passing by. The bloke has no charisma, judgement or personality. This is rather good news for Dave. Dead Siliband is doing his best to ensure Dave is gets a second term in four years time!

    • 153
      Andy says:

      He could not win a first term and their is no chance Cameron will win a second term.Guido knows this going on yesterdays article,cameron will not win the Labour seats he needs ,as he is hated north of the m25.

      ANDY EDINBURGH

      • 170
        misterned says:

        Bollocks!

      • 172
        Non-Labour Voter North of the M25 says:

        Interviewed everyone North of the M25 have you? Thought not. Sherlock, you don’t have a clue.

        As for Milliband his problem is that he is a fuckwit opportunist. He’s a fuckwit first ,which makes it hard for him to get anywhere with opportunism.

        • 225
          Andy says:

          And U TURN DAVES, ill lock up all knife carriers,ill let you vote on Europe,ill get rid of the immigrants,my chancelor would match Labours spending,ill not cut pensioners fuel allowance,i will not cut EMA,and on and on .The charliton would have said anything to win.He could not beat GB so he has no chance of beating EM.Get over it and get used to it Labour will form the next government and take what you get

          Andy Edinburgh

  15. 21
    sockpuppet #4 says:

    The observer article is having a go at:
    “Then a no fly zone was talked up one day only to be talked down the next”
    I don’t see the mocking tone.

    It looks a bit like you are rewriting history too.

    Cameron took a gamble and it worked out ok. That does not mean that everything they did demanded ZERO questioning when it was happenging – it was not without risk after all.

    • 81
      misterned says:

      You got a dodgy memory sockpuppet? I remember lots of mocking at the time from lefties all over the place. The labour party, the BBC and the guardian and the Mirror, and also from quite a few former tories on this blog too if I am not mistaken.

      I don’t know how I do it, but I have called it right on Iraq, Afghanistan and Libya.

      I said as it started that it should not have boots on the ground, that the Libyan people would do this themselves so long as we take Gaddafi’s murderous toys off him. And so it proved. 100% legal, honest and relatively inexpensive, and no British troops killed.

      I would rate that as a very good result for Cameron. Now we need to help in any way we can with the reconstruction and offer what ever help we can give. They have more than enough oil with which to pay for it.

      • 95
        sockpuppet #4 says:

        I do remember some mocking, (and i wasn’t going to bring this up…), but that seemed mainly to involve that odd event where special forces got stuck, held, and given back. Hopefully you aren’t counting Jonty in this equation, silly little sod needs ignoring.

        If you think you always get everything right, I’d suggest its selective memory ned.

        Of course, labour opposition would have been trying to make capital out of it. It would be much better for an oppostion to be making “are you sure you’ve got this right” grief rather than point scoring.

        • 173
          misterned says:

          No I do not get everything right… Just my positions on Afghanistan, Iraq and Libya. And believe me, I dearly wished I had been wrong on the first two.

  16. 22
    Ed Miliband says:

    I think this regime change is wrong at a time when negotiations are still ongoing. But I also think that Gaddafi has acted in a reckless and provocative manner. Once the regime change is over, I urge both sides to put aside the rhetoric and get round the negotiating table, because I believe this regime change is wrong at a time when negotiations are still ongoing.

  17. 26
    Peter Mandelson is a venal crook says:

    Telegraph has a story this morning about Mandelson buying an £8m mansion. As the story headline asks: Where did he get £8m from?

  18. 28
    Billy Bowden is the greatest umpire ever ! says:

    So Ed agrees with Baroness Thatcher?

    “I never hugged him, i bombed him”

    But then doesnt that means he disagrees with Tony and Gordon?

  19. 30
    blackdogtales says:

    Libyan Army did not just dissolve … their tanks and artillery were slaughtering lightly-armed rebels, but air power is a great leveller, especially with 24/7 surveillance and meticulous targeting over an extended period. Blowing up tanks and guns didn’t leave the Libyans with much option. The fact that there was a credible opposition meant there was no need for external ‘boots on the ground’.

    • 193
      MrAngry61 says:

      Well, the Typhoon is a cold war weapon, might as well use it against a cold war army…

  20. 31
    Gordon Brown says:

    I wish Col Gaddafi all the best.

  21. 36
    Bill d'Sarse says:

    “He didn’t believe it enough to stop him trying to score points…”

    That’s because he a bandwagon-jumping c**t.

  22. 39

    Well, as Ed said at the time,

    “These Air-strikes are wrong at a time when negotiations with Muammar are still going on. But the USA and the UN have been let down by both sides because the government has acted in a reckless and provocative manner. After today’s bombing I urge both sides to put aside the rhetoric, get round the negotiating table and stop it happening again.”

  23. 41
    Ed Miliband says:

    Hakuna Matata! What a wonderful phrase
    Hakuna Matata! Ain’t no passing craze
    It means no commitments for the rest of your days
    It’s our policy-free philosophy
    Hakuna Matata!

    “Hakuna Matata?”

    Yeah. It’s our motto!

  24. 42
    Let's Get Real says:

    Surely, what we really want to know, is how the Speaker is feeling about the behaviour of his wife?

    http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/showbiz/article-23980009-sally-bercows-marriage-could-be-in-jeopardy.do

  25. 46
    boulay says:

    Gaddafi is currently contacting Huhne to find out the secret to holding on when all is lost….

  26. 47
    What a plonker. says:

    Red Ed Miliband is a hypocritical opportunist two faced creep .I am glad that I got that off my chest. Long may he reign as Labour leader.

  27. 49
    Cynic says:

    “Brutality should not be allowed to stand”

    He was in Gordon’s cabinet wasn’t he? And he did brutally stiff his bother in the Leadership fight.

    Perhaps it was all just a dream

  28. 52
    Billy Bowden is the greatest umpire ever ! says:

    “Eds attacks didnt fly”

    Niether did any of the helicopters that were bought under a Labour goverment.

  29. 55
    Johann Hari says:

    All those exciting, fearful weeks I spent with Hissène Habré when his Chadian irregulars were fighting Gaddafi’s tanks come flooding back into my memory as I read the news of the Colonel’s downfall. Muammar and I were never close friends – he never returned my lawnmower, and this created a certain froideur between us – but he told me, in that Sirte dialect of Arabic that he never lost, “Johann, you should write bad things that are done to you in sand, but write the good things that happen to you on a piece of marble”.

    How true those words are!

  30. 56
  31. 57
    Sir Barrington Minge says:

    All together now……..

    Eeeeeeeeeeeeeeds a wanker, he’s a wanker…….

  32. 59
    Hava Nagila says:

    If he believed brutality should not be allowed to stand, why did he remain in the Labour Party when Blair and the party machine were wholeheartedly in bed with Gaddafi?

    He’s a bit late to the party, ain’t he?

  33. 67
    Stinkfinger says:

    So Basicaly Labour backed the wrong horse and pissed off the yanks for nothing by sending Al Mahgri home?

    • 168
      Alexsandr says:

      mebbe we can get macgrachi back and shove him in peterhead where he belongs now

      • 177
        misterned says:

        Surely Guantanamo would be more appropriate?

        Personally I would like him to return to Scotland and have that appeal that he was set to win. Perhaps we could get to the truth about what actually happened and who really planted the bomb.

    • 197
      MrAngry61 says:

      Wonder if the new regime will give Megrahi back to us as a thank you? In any event, wasn’t he making noises about seeking political asylum?

  34. 71
    simon r says:

    Ed likes his enquiries doesn’t he – jumped up and down demanding one over hacking, then the riots.

    Let us have another one, this time looking into Labour’s links with Gaddafi’s regime and Mandelson’s dealings with Saif.

    • 232
      Throwing my toys out of the pram says:

      Where are the thumbs? I miss the thumbs. I want to express my approval. I want to express my disapproval. It’s not fair, it’s not fair, i want to ……….

  35. 74
    Knob Ed says:

    My mind is a blank page so I say whatever I am told to say and then forget it.

  36. 75
    Abdelbaset al-Megrahi says:

    As a lifelong opponent of Colonel Gaddafi I welcome the glorious liberation army into Tripoli and great my brothers in gratitude and hope. I look forward to many years spent helping to build the new Libya.

    P.S. Please give my regards to Mr Salmond, who did so much to help me.

  37. 76
    bergen says:

    No doubt his opposition seemed good politics at the time . Now Gadaffi seems to be on the way out with our assistance but without putting troops on the ground, Miliband can only look on as we have a rare foreign policy success-and will allow the government to revel in Nulab’s history of fawning like dogs before Gadaffi.Not that the BBC will mentiion it.

    • 83
      Bollocks Broadcasting Corporation. says:

      We won’t be commenting on it because there are much more important things in the news like the hacking scandal and the PM’s misjudgement over Andy Coulson.

      • 92
        The BBC is Biased says:

        Too right! We would much rather cast doubt on the aims of the freedom fighters and question whether they are not in fact brutal murderers hell bent on bloody retribution, than accurately report that they are determined to build a new democratic and just society and that the ordinary people support them.

        Anything to diminish the credit due to the British Government.

      • 189
        Anonymous says:

        You forgot Lord Ashcroft

  38. 77
    Billy Bowden is the greatest umpire ever ! says:

    “England whitewash India
    Fucking hell, that’s a lot of paint..

  39. 79
    Displaced Brummie says:

    Ed Miliband speaks: “Hi. I’m Ed Miliband, and I’m a pretty straight talking guy. I am tough on… oh… no, wait! What am I tough on? David! David! Please! Help me! What AM I tough on?”

    David Miliband: “You are tough on members of your own family, you twat!”

  40. 80
    Desperate Dan says:

    The BBC were also very scathing about the no-fly zone. This was just after their contempt for Cameron going travelling round to get the support of the other Arab nations. On 22 March 2011 Jeremy Paxman was very upset at the idea that Gadaffi might get hurt.

    I imagine they are frantically rewriting history today to cast themselves and the Labour party in a favourable light.

    • 91
      Phantom says:

      If those ‘embedded’ BBC journalists lose their yellow streak and venture out of the Rixos hotel…..

      • 94
        The BBC is Biased says:

        Yes! Wasn’t Alex Crawford magnificent on Sky last night. Wiped the floor with the BBC – tucked up in their cosy beds in a cushy hotel (paid for by the taxpayers, of course.)

        • 111
          john simpson says:

          I have just liberated Libya ALL BY MYSELF !

          Now give me another pie.

          • Lard Presclott of Bulimia, Bog Seats, Beams,Bellies,Banjos,Punches, Croquet, Pies, Jags 'n' Shags says:

            Fuck off !! They’re mine !

          • Desperate Dan says:

            Have you finished cowering in the hotel basement like you did in Baghdad, John?

        • 135
          Phantom says:

          Yes, it was seem the rebels are trying to take the Rixos Hotel.

          I guess the BBC journos will be liberated enough to order some more room service.

          • Desperate Dan says:

            They’re sulking because they’re not on a license-fee funded jaunt to Edinburgh with the rest of the BBC.

        • 188
          bergen says:

          It must be very upsetting for the BBC not to be given any more Gadaffi press releases to file as news.Still,there’s probably a bar in the hotel.Trebles all round!

          • The BBC is Biased says:

            The BBC Journos have issued a statement: ” The Rixos hotel is besieged by the so-called freedom fighters but we are going to stay in the bar until the very end.”

        • 228
          Fish says:

          Alex Crawford was outstanding. BBC were really off the pace late last night – piss poor in fact, despite the huge resources that they have.

          Same with the riot’s – the Sky guy in Clapham Jct was brilliant, also.

  41. 82
    Champagne Fabian says:

    Sorry folks, this is not about ‘hero’ Cameron, just a corporate takeover, somewhat hostile, hehehe….
    Gadaffi had bumped off thousands of those rebels over the years. Politicians were his best buddies, kissing his butt while the money men where happy. Gaddaffi kept order in the country and it matter not a jot how he did it. So long as the money and oil flowed.
    This year, he wanted a bigger cut for his oil. BIG MISTAKE.

  42. 84
    genghiz the kahn says:

    So Ed who are you going to invite to deliver the Ralph Miliband Memorial Lecture?

    Hugo Chavez,
    Fidel Castro,
    Kim Jong Il,
    Ken Livingstone.

  43. 86
    MB. says:

    The big question is. Who is going to get the first photo opportunity in Tripoli, Cameron or Sarkozy?

    • 179
      misterned says:

      They should both go there together and share the accolades.

    • 223
      Send all socialist maggots to N Korea - they've fucked up my England says:

      Please not Cameron. Or, if it is, cofiscate his/our cheque book before he goes.

  44. 87
    Polly Toynbee says:

    I stand in solidarity with Comrade Gaddafi. Hold on a sec…Hey, garçon! Bring me my fucking Rosé! I’ve been waiting 2 minutes! You just can’t get good help these days.

  45. 89
    Billy Bowden is the greatest umpire ever ! says:

    Have you axed the thumbs Guido?

  46. 98
    Desperate Dan says:

    If Ed and his Labour colleagues were so anti-Gadaffi why did they authorise, between 2009/2010, £34million worth of ammunition, crowd-control equipment and tear gas to use against the rebels?

  47. 110
    BillyBob.... says:

    I think I recall that our Tone gave him a big hug and kiss a few years ago.

  48. 117
    b345st of the east says:

    who paid for that gimps body armour?

  49. 123
    Billy Bowden is the greatest umpire ever ! says:

    The Thumbs are dead, Long live the thumbs!

    • 152
      Bill d'Sarse says:

      Hurrah!

    • 164
      Tessa Tickles says:

      They’ve gone? If ever there was a need for NoScript, it was those bloody thumbs. I’ve seen some shite IT solutions in my time, but holy crap those thumbs were up there at the top, alongside Microsoft Pocket PC 2003 Second Edition, or Windows 3.0.

  50. 127
    Desperate Dan says:

    BBC News 24 has Breaking News and a quote from Miliband at the bottom of their screen but no quote from Cameron. They didn’t cover the Cameron statement on Libya live but showed an edited extract – the film was over-exposed and out of focus – ten minutes later.
    Is the BBC twinned with Libyan broadcasting? They have so much in common.

    • 160

      They’ve been doing that for about a year now. Has no one told them Miliband isn’t the PM.
      Must check back and see if happened under Labour.

      when Gordon announced his weekly relaunch, did Dave get first dibs to speak on News 24? actually, It might have been Nick. They used to love him.
      But how fickle the Beeb is. Now Clegg can’t even get a mention, unless its “I agree with Vince”.

    • 236
      oddly helpful says:

      In an age where mobile phones can record HD-quality video and cope automatically with all levels of light, it takes a kind of genius to get that wrong.

      I’m just surprised that the camera operator’s thumb wasn’t over the lens.

  51. 139
    Col. Gaddafi says:

    I am suffering from terminal [insert name of dread disease] and cannot stand trial.

    • 161
    • 166
      The Scottish Executive (sorry, "government") says:

      Och you poor wee bairn! Is there anything we can do for ye? A mass-murderer who’s sick? Och, we’ll help ye any which way we can, och the noo.

      • 186
        Champagne Fabian says:

        Yeah, just release him before his appeal which would show him to be the patsy that he was. Who’s foolish enough to believe that he would be released without the conievence of Whitehall or America. Meantime, they act all upset that the Scots let the bad guy go. What utter Bull.

    • 217
      His Excellency, President for Eternity, Saint Gabriel Robert Mugabe says:

      What I am I supposed to do with this sodding great 42 bedroom mansion in Harare and the 10,000 Acres I pinched from Mana Pools Nature reserve to give you?
      By the way, your soldiers and the two helicopters are still there. Who’s going to pay for them now? Oh, and that Airbus A340 kitted out for VIP configuration–can I keep it?

  52. 159
    The Labour Party says:

    War is wrong! This is yet another imperialist adventure by the baby eating Tories! War is never justified! Except when it’s done by us. Then it’s ok. And the 1m dead Iraqis was a price worth paying. But otherwise, war is wrong.

  53. 167
    Gareth Jones says:

    Could you be bothered to tell the truth about Ed Miliband’s comments about the no-fly zone? Or is the truth just too inconvenient and uncomfortable for you in your role as David Cameron cheer-leader?

  54. 176
    genghiz the kahn says:

    Quick lads, get back in the Chinnock and leave Redward to the Taliban…

  55. 178
    Johann Hari says:

    In Tripoli I have seen the British troops gunning down innocent children as young as 7. One soldier beheaded an 8 year old boy and then he and his bloodthirsty colleagues stuck their bare hands into the poor child’s open throat and tore out chunks of flesh and wolfed them down in a perverse display of barbarity that shames us all.

  56. 199
    I don't need no doctor says:

    Ed Miliband is an opportunistic, spin ridden, jump on the bandwagon, shit.

    • 206
      Ed - SAVE the badgers NOW!!! says:

      +10. Apparently he will jump on ANY bandwagon. He is leading a save the baders campaign. Apparently tories are badger murderers

      • 218
        John Bellingham says:

        Well they saved the foxes didn’t they? Every suburb is overun with the bloody things, they are as common as rats or chavs.

  57. 212
    BillyBob.... says:

    Why are socialists so f*cking miserable?

  58. 224
    Handycock (Teen Fondler) says:

    Ed milliband is a duplicitous politician. No one should take any notice of anything they say. Look, we are all in it for what we can get out of it. I see the Sunday Mail was asking where Mandelson got the money from to buy his £8m Villa in London. I hope they don’t start looking into my villa in Spain.

  59. 230
    Libby the Libertarian says:

    Freeeedom for Libya!

  60. 233
    busted nokia says:

    The Millibands are a good example of what is wrong with politics – career politicians should be barred from office. Politicians need to have cut their teeth in industry, not as script writers for the worst PM in living memory.

    • 235
      Queen Victoria says:

      You are absolutely right. Today’s politicians come from one of two sections of society, those who have failed at their chosen career or those who have never had a career in the first place. No wonder we are in such a mess!


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