August 21st, 2011

One Term Tories

Before the 2010 general election Guido had a sense that we were heading towards coalition government, stuck his neck out, and called it a month before the election. Reading the runes again it seems to Guido increasingly likely we are looking at a one-term Tory-led government.

Right now the bookies favour no overall majority, polls suggest Labour could be the largest party, in that event the LibDems, probably without Clegg, will in all likelihood support a Labour government.

The primary cause will be the economy, the probability of a double-dip recession is rising. The US economy is in trouble, the Eurozone is in turmoil, growth is faltering at home and abroad. Inflation is out of control, real incomes are actually falling in the UK. By 2015 the answer the electorate will give to Ronald Reagan’s Are you better off than you were four years ago?” question may well be “No.”

Osborne’s plan was to bear down on the deficit for a couple of years, restructure taxes a little, revolutionise education policy, tinker with welfare to make work pay, give tax cuts in 2013-14 once the fiscal picture was improved and go on to win the Tories a governing majority. In the second term, free of the LibDem drag,  they would really press on with radically remaking government and the Big Society. Alas they may only have one term.

Things are not turning out so well. Osborne may need to have a root around in his desk to find some of Gordon Brown’s old lines about “it started in America” and “global economic downturn”. Osborne’s hawkishness on the deficit is being rewarded by the international bond markets, but there is little he can do about international demand. US confidence has been shaken up by the downgrade and even German GDP growth was only 0.1% last quarter, Europe may well go into recession within a year, assuming the continental banking system doesn’t collapse next week. None of this will enhance Tory election prospects.

It gets worse for Downing Street; Andy Coulson could be in the dock the year before the election, or worse still, in jail. This will of course tarnish Cameron and Osborne. There is also the possibility that Coulson, as well as other News International figures, could sing about matters that would be excruciatingly embarrassing for the Tories. Osborne, who was really responsible for getting Andy Coulson his job, will be in a particularly uncomfortable position, perhaps even more so than Cameron. Coulson knows where the bodies are buried


  1. 1
    Billy Bowden is the greatest umpire ever ! says:

    It would help if Dave was a Tory.

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    RED ED - SON OF BROWN says:

    I haven’t written anything on the blank sheet of paper yet.

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    Billy Bowden is the greatest umpire ever ! says:


    May in dulge you on this subject.

    How many polices that the coaliton have introduced that are conservitive?

    I accept that some Lib Dem policy will be in there as they formed a coaltion deal, But who has got the best in the deal? , OK The Lib Dems will do bad at the next genral election, But for the seats in parliament they occupy they seemed to have got the best of the deal.

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    Anonymous says:

    The lib Dems will be wiped out next election so will be in no position to enter into coalition with anyone.

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    Up sh1t creek says:

    If we had Tories in government I would say you have something, but what we actually have is Red Tories with a hint of yellow (but tinged with red).

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    les says:

    I think you are way off on this one – and you reckon the lefties will get back in to sort it out?

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    They’re not even gong to make it to 2015!
    However, what is Blinky up to?
    Cooking up a putsch for his Bilderberg Masters?

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    Anonymous says:

    If they adopt the policies of UKIP they might stand a chance.

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    oddly helpful says:

    So redrawing constituency boundaries, choking the LibDems through their involvement in the coalition, a truly awful legacy in Brown’s Bonus and a relaunched attempt at reining in the ECHR in Strasbourg and a British Bill of Rights are going to leave the door wide open for a resurgent and revitalised Labour party government?

    It is hard to believe.

    Competence and responsibility will be prized attributes in the aftermath of the social and economic crises – the Conservatives are well placed to benefit.

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    All within the rules says:

    If the Tories were led by a true Tory, they’d sink like a fucking stone in modern multicultural Britain.

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    Ed Miliband says:

    Guido you can get tablets for depression these days. It stops you writing this crap.

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    Historian says:


    You make an excellent analysis

    I would only add.

    Britain is such a deeply divided class ridden society which has not had a recent revolution that I cannot see the Toffs and the rest ever being solved.

    To that I would add, as Cameron rightly points out “Britain is in slow-motion Moral collapse”.That is quite obvious for all to see.

    It started IMHO about a generation ago, and it has its paroxism with MPs stealing from taxpayers, Peers fiddling their expenses on the recomendation of their Whips, bankers paying themselves huge bonuses on the taxpayer, lawyers bending every rule, a bent police force, a judiciial system that does not provide justice, journalists who are criminals, and the hoi polloi, white brown and black, who now decide to torch the place (quiet logically in the light of the examples they have been given)

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    Jacky Treehorn says:

    If Labour are the largest party at the next election,then the Country deserves what will happen.Can’t see it myself,the middle class have been burnt once. I know there are a lot of idiots in denial but not enough for Labour.

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    jock tamson says:

    Scotland will have voted to rid ourselves of you Tory wankers for good.

    Cameron will go down in history as the man who presided over the end of the union.

    Ahah – ahahahahahahhhh …………

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    Dan, Dan the bald headed man says:

    And that’s how they got there.
    By being a modern multicultural EU loving party.
    Read it and weep.

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    Anonymous says:

    If Labour win then the Tories have not been radical enough.

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    Anonymous says:

    It’s the arrogance and lack of judgment that will do for dave in the end.

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    Billy Bowden is the greatest umpire ever ! says:

    So he might achive something good then!

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    Ed Balls, Shallow Chancer says:

    Don’t bother – you won’t be in charge anyway.

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    JohnOfEnfield says:

    I there was I thinking that all this hacking and stuff took place when ZanuLabour were in power!

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    nell says:

    I still think cameron should ditch the lib dems and go for another election now.

    the libdems are like a weight around the ankles of the tories stopping them introducing the sort of tory policy most of us would agree with by threatening to remove their votes everytime osborne and cameron try and do anything remotely sensible about reducing benefits, increasing investment for proper jobs or improving education and health….

    I do sort of like cleggie but he’s the only remotely decent libdem.

    Let’s go for another election and get rid of the libdems out of government – they’ve been the most incompetent, comic, laughable, useless set of ministers we’ve ever had – well after gordon that is!!

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    CHRIST ON A BIKE! says:

    polls are bollocks. Labour are, as always, massively over represented. by inherently biased pollsters. Add in fair boundaries and reduced seats, Labour haven’t a prayer.

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    Billy Bowden is the greatest umpire ever ! says:

    How Dave Can win.

    1: Cut taxes 10k thresehold and then 10% all rates.

    2: Referendum on membership of EU

    3: Cut spending by atleast 50%

    4: Cut Buisness tax and let them keep 100% of profit.

    5: Make the BBC subriction and open to the free market.

    6: Simplify the tax code.

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    Four-eyed English Genius says:

    If there is another Labour led government in the lifetime of existing voters, I suspect we will be looking at an English Spring, or at least a South East English Spring!

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    CHRIST ON A BIKE! says:

    no, it means the BBC has more short-term influence than I thought!

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    The BBC is biased says:

    Yes, why have you written this? Arn’t we all depressed enough without you conjuring up this nightmare scenario? Please stop now. On a lighter note, why is the Guardian supporting General Gaddafi?

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    Larry the cat says:

    Anyone got a short rope and long drop available?

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    Doc Willoughby says:

    What the country needs is end of life palliative care. Only parts of the patient still believe they can cheat the grim reaper, but the bits still connected to reality know it’s all over bar the death rattle.
    No charge!

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    Jacky Treehorn says:

    I hope he does,just to be alive watching Scotchland sink without our tax money
    will be heaven.Bring it on.

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    Fuck the thrid way! says:

    And Camerhoon, – as a big turd as could be found to lead the Tories will ‘of’ blown his one chance.

    Thanks Andy and all the other shits who encouraged the twat.

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    James says:


    You are probably right about this being a one term Tory Government unfortunately.

    It was always likely that the current government would be hugely unpopular because no one had prepared the population by telling them just how bad the economic situation is.

    I would reiterate again that we are in a deflationary depression caused by a huge overhang of private and public debt and overinflated asset prices (e.g. house price bubble) left by the previous Labour government. The US has similar problems to us, while the Eurozone has problems caused by having a monetary union without a fiscal union. All of this is deflationary.

    I don’t think Osbourne ever understood this and I don’t see many on the right articulating this point. Because of this left will be able to get away with their disasterous economic policies of the past 10+ years and enable them to rewrite history.

    Low government bond rates just shows that the market knows we likely heading for a deflationary depression. This is not a reward for Osbourne’s economic policy.

    The government should carry on eliminating bloat and waste in the public sector but should also consider setting up an infrastructure and investment fund to increase future revenues.

    I fear there is no easy way out of this economic depression and few political commentator seem to understand what is happening. I am afraid this includes you Guido as much as I enjoy reading your blog.

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    Tim says:

    If this is true, and I’m not sure while Ed is leader, then they should just go for it and not worry about pandering so much.

    Cut hard, cut fast, cut business taxes, make the one term work to put us on a good footing heading forward. Because you can be damn sure Labour won’t be doing that if they win.

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    Cameron is a useless fud. If the tories ditched him and put Hammond in charge that would worry Labour.

    Or Boris.

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    Col Nut. says:

    Good.We will be well rid of the economic burden.Hadrian’s Wall rebuilt would help keep out violent drunks and possibly cannibals again as the English funding comes to an end.

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    Edward The First says:

    That will take 40plus Labour MPs plus their sky high expenses out of Westminster….good idea bring it on!

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    Col Nut. says:

    Above meant as reply to 14 re.Scottish independence.

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    Steve Miliband says:

    Labour would have to have ditched Miliband by 2015

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    Aye you fucking tube – everything is going so well for England just now, eh?

    You win a few games of fucking rounders against the curry-munchers and think you are world class.

    Get it right round ye!

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    murdochs bid to loosen the grip of the BBC on the broadcast media has hit the rocks says:

    The BBC and Guardian would never countenance that, which is why it will never happen.

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    A snot-nosed, lying, cheating, thieving, two-faced paranoid, scheming duplicitous bastard and crook says:


    An’ ah’l be there tae carry on ma gud wuk!!

    An’ save yon bonny childers from poverty

    An’ sav’ tha’ wuld!

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    MrAngry61 says:

    He can’t, Nell.
    The ConDems are committed to a 5 year term.

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    Old Tory Bigot says:

    Don’t know why this comment has been downvoted – it’s absolutely true.

    Too many voters here would find their personal interests conflict with a proper Conservative world-view (e.g. self-reliance, bettering onesself, creating stable families).

    The majority of the modern UK electorate cares nothing for these ideas. All they want is ‘more free stuff’.

    A real Tory leader wouldn’t have a hope in hell of winning as things stand.

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    Anonymous says:

    As long as the BBC do what they do, that’s true.

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    Kered Ybretsae says:

    Just being so cheerful that keeps me going!

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    Publius Aelius Trajanus Hadrianus Augustus says:

    We offered them peace and civilisation but they would not have it. So we left them to their own devices. The result is the modern scot.

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    Anonymous says:

    Beowulf ?

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    There isn’t any deflation about.

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    MrAngry61 says:


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    Johan says:

    I fear you’re right. The nightmare scenario involves Ed Balls as pm and Sally Bercow as a minister…

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    A 'Progressive' Grouniad 'writer' says:

    Because we progressive limp-wristed intellectuals say it’s the Right Thing To Do.

    Anyway, we need him to keep the oil flowing so we can be sure we can run our 4x4s to our Holiday Cots in Walberswick.

    Get back down where you belong little people.

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    Billy Bowden says:

    And let’s not forget the riots !!

    Just got the post code for the next riot …. NI6 6ER

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    Four-eyed English Genius says:

    Do you think that Wavy Davy would adhere to any agreement he made? He is a politician, FFS!

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    MrAngry61 says:

    The Tories have only themselves to blame. They’ve pissed away opportunities and are riven with infighting, quite apart from the Lib Dim millstones.

    Maybe the best Cameron can do is to have a reshuffle favouring the less defeatist/leftie Tories.


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    Lord Prezza of Lardarse says:

    and the good news is…

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    Billy Bowden is the greatest umpire ever ! says:


    May iask you a monertry/finacial question?

    If greece and the eurozone get bailed out by taxpayers , will that be it or are just pushing the problem into the longer grass?

    Ans how much more protected would we be without being a member of the EU ?

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    The Cabinet Secretary says:

    Try a hardware shop near a cliff.

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    Old Tory Bigot says:

    Labour have learned how to mobilise the postal vote to great effect.

    Various ethinc religious patriarchs (a.k.a ‘Community Leaders’), aided and abetted by Labour Party activists, can draw on a huge store of ‘votes’ from UK residents who cannot speak English, have never attended a polling station ever, wouldn’t know there was an election taking place, are are possibly even deceased.

    Against this sort of vote rigging, the pissed of middle classes count for very little in the voting stakes.

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    Nostradamus says:

    This is a win-win strategy.

    If it works, Nick “trendy vicar” Clegg and his band of tofu-munching deviants are cast into oblivion forever. Cameron’s excuse for being a socialist eco-loon would be removed and he would actually have to run the country as a Tory.

    If it fails, Ed Miliband would preside over the most ruinously inept Government this country has ever seen. Ed Balls would spend the whole time trying to oust him and they’d probably run out of cash to pay all the scrotes and Somalians not to work within six months. They would be cast into the annals of history alongside all the other failed socialist nutters from the Eastern bloc.

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    We have been subbing you english parasites for 300 years – only thing keeping the UK afloat is scottish oil and other exports while you fucking shysters sell each other “financial products” and charge half a million for a hovel in London.

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    Double-dip Dave says:

    I prepared this monkier on the day of the last GE.

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    What a plonker. says:

    What a defeatist attitude . There is no way that a party led by Red Ed milliband ,
    Blinky Balls or any of the other losers on the shadow front bench could ever
    win a majority in a general election . Along with that tosser Gordon Brown,
    they ruined our country . The British people will never forget.

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    Old Tory Bigot says:


    While such policies might find favour with the readers of this blog, the majority of the electorate would either not understand them or run a mile from them as they would personally suffer (reduced benefits, non-jobs and sundy freebees).

    I don’t think Cameron could win with those policies. Labour has spend many years building up a client state that depends on welfare and public jobs. A hell of a lot of the populace live on this parasitical ‘economy’.

    Remember how Gordon always seemed to confuse ‘the government’ with ‘the economy’?

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    nell says:

    Well is it legally binding?

    If not tear it up!!

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    Nick Razor 99 says:

    There seems to be a culture of control-freakery on this site. How very left-wing.

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    Billy Bowden is the greatest umpire ever ! says:

    Labour left office in 79 and left a right mess but elected back to goverment in 97.

    voters do forget.

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    Toby Jug says:

    Why would anyone want to vote a second time for a kleptocracy that had conned them the first time around?

    The whole country is sick to death of lies, corruption, bonus bandits, corporate tax dodgers, bogus public inquiries, ineffectual self-regulation, perpetual war, and the surveillance state.

    Many who hoped that this rottenness would fade away with the death of New Labour have been left disappointed, and will not vote Conservative again. Not me at any rate.

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    nell says:

    I am sharpening my pickfork just to be ready!!

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    Billy Bowden is the greatest umpire ever ! says:

    The voters have forgot what we fought for in the 2nd world war.

    Freedom and that includes freedom from goverment.

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    stalin, mao tse tung, pol pot, robert mugabe etc etc says:

    I thought it had something to do with him being a left wing dictator, which of course is always good for the little people.

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    John Ward says:

    What an extraordinarily reasoned analysis here from Guido: no Sunday lunch today for a Billy Nomates perhaps?
    He may well have called a Coalition, but I’m still hanging on to my Paddy Power national government betting slip: £100 at 30-1 that there’d be one before the end of 2012.
    Meanwhile, putting on the longer-vision glasses…

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    4 1ce I can only Hope That says:

    Your headline is correct G.

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    bergen says:

    You may be correct but it is far too early to say.Never underestimate Labour’s disunity whilst in opposition.They turned to Blair to win elections but were never comfortable with him and have appointed another Foot-as popular with the comrades as unpopular with the public.

    Add the advantage of incumbancy to the redrawn boundaries and they must be in with a chance.Ironically,a Libdem meltdown in the opinion polls may result in a coalition agreement mutually to stand candidates down in a small number of hopeless seats-this must be Labour’s ultimate nightmare but if offered to the Libdems they may prefer it to a wipeout.

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    Anonymous says:

    If you really believe that, I think we can just laugh at you.

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    Old Tory Bigot says:

    I don’t find Dave particularly arrogant.

    If you want sheer fucking arrogance, look at Brown and Blair and their poisonous coterie.

    Dave’s failing (and I say that as one who believes he is in an impossible situation) is that he has not taken the fight to Labour. He’s too busy keeping the idiot Lib Dems pissing in the right direction (i.e. from inside the tent to outside and not vice-versa).

    Labour are so deeply disgraced and discredited, that he could have really finished them off if he had had the steel, and the room to manouver.

    Dave is like Prometheus bound. Helpless by force of circumstance rather than his own failings.

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    nell says:

    labour aren’t good at ditching their leaders. They don’t seem to have any administrative means, guts or backbone for it.

    I see militwit marching purposefully towards the 2015 election and coming an even bigger cropper than gordon, bit like that man who went tilting at windmills.

    The one thing I think guido’s probably right about is that the loony libdems will have ditched the at least nominally acceptable cleggie for someone like huhne or simon whatsisname and then they’ll really hit rock bottom.

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    Stuff Zanu Liebour says:


    What about Clarkson or May??

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    MrAngry61 says:

    Yes but – their voters are more likely to vote Labour/Green/Watermelon than Tory/anything less left wing.

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    On the last page, I posted that “You are fucked.”

    If Guido is right on this one, I would like to amend that to “You are seriously fucked.”

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    MrAngry61 says:

    Life after Labour? It’d be like year zero in Cambodia – exsept that the EU would send in soldiers instead of the Vietnamese.

    Labour win = last one out turn out the lights

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    sometimes just sometimes says:

    So gu i -do has thrown the runes and has come up with the same answer as the loads of people he mod e ra ted and de le ted co mmen ts from, well I never.

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    Dave Figgley says:

    Ha ha, son. These arseholes are lightweight poseurs. They are so far behind the story it might be worth grabbing some popcorn, putting your feet up and watching them try to justify the attention of the advertisers. It’s like rubber-necking a car crash, mate.

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    BillyBob.... says:

    Time for a right wing revolution perhaps ?

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    Ironside says:

    Quite agree Historian (Mr. Starkey I presume?).

    Total lack of leadership in every institution within our country.

    I am so fed up about it I might go rioting myself.

    And then sentence myself to two weeks probation, after I turn myself in having being caught on CCTV.

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    Phantom says:

    We’re only a quarter of the way into a fixed 5 year term.

    As for an election, there is still plenty of firepower in ‘Don’t let Labour wreck it’ and with revised boundaries, the bias towards Labour will be cancelled out.

    If they get any of the following right, they could be forgiven for the things they didn’t.

    Deficit reduction, Immigration, Education, Welfare Reform.

    The electorate is so fickle right now, I reckon the coalition would get 10% more support if it told Merkel and Sarkozy to get stuffed.

    As long as the economy doesn’t completely tank then I think people would rather have an anodyne economy that’s slowly getting out of trouble than a Shadow Chancellor that has got nothing right since taking office.

    I would take a serious punt on Osborne shaving more money off spending and dishing out another tax cut and raising the tax threshold again.

    As for Labour, they are in a mess, no money, poor support, awful Leader and a worse frontbench. They should be ahead at 1981 levels of 15%+

    The fact they aren’t means that fat lady ain’t singing yet.

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    James says:

    I suspect quantitative easing by central banks caused a spike in global commodity prices but QE is over and it did little to help the real economy. Commodity prices are now falling.

    On the other hand, bursting asset price bubbles, large private sector debt overhangs (look at household debt) are deflationary. Banks will not be increasing lending because there are few solvent borrowers left to lend to. This is at the root of our economic malaise and not inflation. This is not a rerun of the 1970s or 1980s but of the 1930s. The root cause is all the malinvestment of the past 10-20 years where all the debt went into asset prices bubbles and consumption rather than productive endeavours.

    The reason the debt crisis and the eurozone crisis are going to be difficult to get out of is because people are generally unwilling to let go of their preconceptions coloured by recent experiences and their partisan viewpoints. I think the left and right both misunderstand the problems in different ways and as a result we have a crisis of political leadership across the world. The left don’t understand that malinvestment is a problem and right seem preoccupied by inflation.

    I don’t see this ending well.

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    David Laws Lib Dem fiddler says:

    Or he could get some balls and do what most people want: Stop immigration, drastically cut EU budget or better still get out of EU, repeal Human Rights Act irrespective of the corrupt Lie Dumbs wishes- no one wants them full stop-, cut welfare drag on society and make them work (paying the difference between welfare and work at the beginning to will change their mindset), provide proper defence and have a proper criminal justice system where there is a deterrent for committing crime, change the school system ie three tiered schools: grammar schools, ordinary schools and remedial schools for the scum who dod not want to learn but only disrupt the rest bringing down the whole of our education system.

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    My Lord KINNOCHIO, the Welsh Windbag indeed boyo says:

    i tell you what boyo if you listen to me you’ll be here all night no only jokin I do joke I’m terrible at jokes – no I mean I’m a joker not that I’m a joker I just like jokes they help pass time but as I woz sayin boyo you gotta trust people like I did they know wots wot an I’ll say it agin Glennys an me are doin fine like all tha Labour tossers or should that be losers . . .

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    Dick the Prick says:

    Or sucking Yvette’s cock? One has to hope that the more people see of Milipede Minor the more they’ll see him for the hypocrtical fucking lightweight that he is but then people only vote with their pocket and why should people vote Tory when they’ve done fuck all to curb spending and allow people to retain their own fucking money?

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    JohnB says:

    I don’t think most of them ever knew. I mean they voted for Attlee right after the war itself!

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    Anonymous says:

    I just hope you are wrong Guido – Labour should never be allowed to be in government again

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    James says:

    and by the way if the markets were truly worried about inflation you would not be seeing record lows on government bond yields as we are currently seeing.

    The market is worried about deflation and another downturn.

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    Mzzzzzz. H. HaHaHaPerson, the Minx of Mirth says:

    tch! tch! tch!

    Spokes PERSON!

    Can’t you learn nuffin!!

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    blackbyle says:

    Abandon the municipal North British province to their munificent Council.
    Proceed with an English Bill of Rights.
    Sod off Wallpaper slime – Hello Mr Redwood PC,MP -a man of contineent thoughts to get a tough grip on ALL of us as Chancellor .
    Oh!and fare-ill Dave for all your untrammelled feeble duplicity


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    Democrcy as are humans are flawed.

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    The NooLieBOre Trezra says:

    nah but you can join for a penny innit!

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    Sir Robert Mugabe says:

    Focking right, mate !

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    sometimes just sometimes says:

    I know his rules, Iv’e been on this blog from about 6months after he started from a few comments to his headlines, to his radio, then his tv appearance on BBC and when the left tried to shutdown his blog on a Saturday evening when everybody knew he didn’t come up for fresh air until Monday, been there done that, watched it grow and pick up loads more commentry.

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    Billy Bowden is the greatest umpire ever ! says:

    Totty watch tag?

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    Nothing better to do. says:

    Red tinged with yellow? That makes them orange.

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    Old Tory Bigot says:

    Yes but it’s not about how we wish it was, it’s about how it actually is.

    Most of the electorate couldn’t tell you what WWII was even about, or what happened, or why.

    Anyway, end with WWII, I don’t think ‘freedom from government’ was ever on the cards.

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    Grumpy Old Man says:

    Tam o’ Shanter

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    AC1 says:

    I might have to make some plans to move.

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    Old Tory Bigot says:

    ‘even with WWII’ not ‘end with WWII’ – sorry.

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    Biffo the Bear says:

    Ignore him – he’s pissed

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    AC1 says:

    Can anyone with any knowledge about history tell me why the Scotch joined the Union?

    IIRR it was something to do with going b4nkrupt?

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    The Admiral says:

    It may depend on whether the Middle classes both to vote in the first place. If DC spends too much time in holiday he will have sunk himself.

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    Billy Bowden is the greatest umpire ever ! says:

    Oh it was, It was freedom from a Nazi goverment, However the far left changed there tatics.

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    If it does turn out this way, I forecast one thing. Be prepared to see an €0.80 pound (however badly the Euro does).

    Those who can sell, should sell. Those who can flee, should flee. Put whatever you get into Norwegian krone, Swiss franc, Australian dollars, even the yen – anything but pounds. Bit late for gold.

    Anyone who is old enough to remember Harold Wilson’s time in office will remember exchange controls. You were banned from taking more than £50 out of the country in any year.

    In my mind, I can already hear Balls announcing it now.

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    AC1 says:

    I wouldn’t characterise the reincarnation of Heath’s ghost as Promethian.

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    The Admiral says:

    Sorry James. Jeremy has it.

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    In that case you should know the refund policy here.

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    Nothing better to do. says:

    I’d vote for the Stig.

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    David Laws Lib Dem fiddler says:

    Don’t be fooled. There are many people from different walks of life who want Tory values. Wet Dave was surprised with the response from British visible ethnic minorities on immigration who wanted immigration to stop.

    Blair was trying to defend his failures he brought to the country today by getting air space about the riots. This is because this turd is partly responsible through mass immigration, increasing welfare dependence etc etc to get votes. He is a con man and should be investigated, charged and jailed for war crimes, expense fiddles, second jobs in conflict with his former office etc. How he has the bare faced cheek to suggest the UK might talk itself down in the eyes of the world after his lying to create the Iraq war is beyond belief. The turd needs locking up ASAP.

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    Rt Hon Larry The Cat says:

    I’m ready to step in as leader. Just say the word.

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    Totter watch, more like.

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    Agree with you re malinvestment and lack of solvent borrowers.

    However gold is not falling in price. UK agricultural land is at record highs. The CRB index is still higher than it was at the beginning of the year. Not exactly deflationary signals.

    Residential property is falling in price in the West because it was over-priced, that is not the same as across the board deflation. Technology is improving, just because it is cheaper does not mean deflation, it boosts productivity.

    Bond prices are high because there is nowhere else to go.

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    Cuse says:

    BBC…Guardian…left wing consipracy…EU…

    Jesus, you whinging little ratbag.

    Guido’s spot on with this one. Dave + Gideon’s ineptitude owes nothing to the BBC, friend.

    It’s down to them being over-promoted cretins, who had to rely on the Yellow plague to deliver them a majority.

    If you couldn’t get a majority when Gordo was in power, you’re not worth one.

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    Old Tory Bigot says:

    Never underestimate the shear fucking stupidity, imbicility, selfishness and willful bone-headedness of “The British People’.

    Add to that, quite a lot of the ‘British People’ aren’t actually British now.

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    Anonymous says:

    If he hadn’t snatched defeat from the jaws of victory he wouldn’t have needed Calamity Clegg.But would he have dealt with Immigration and Europe?……..I DOUBT IT!

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    Coalition Dissolved says:

    If Cameron genuinely wants to do Conservative things which he can’t because of the compromises inherent to a coalition, then he should clear the decks and call a general election with a manifesto that promises a genuinely radical programme of the kind UKIP offers. If he does this before the possibility of a double dip, he’ll get a majority and then get to sorting the mess without the nuisance of the Lib Dems.

    It was having the Diet Conservative manifesto last year which failed to get him a majority. He should call time on the coalition and go to the country with a proper slate of policies in order to avert the horrific danger of another Labour government. If Labour were to get into power again, you can kiss goodbye to Britain and then plan your departure. Ed Miliband as prime minister is a prospect that should terrify everyone.

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    Gordon Brown says:

    Have I got the X Factor?

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    Billy Bowden is the greatest umpire ever ! says:


    I dont get why you are worried, surely George is just building up a war chest for the election, Ed Miliband will go in with higher taxes and spending, Tories (Hopefully ) Lower taxes and less spending?

    Eurozone is bollocks unless our goverment chucks em a few billion, america has a socailist President.

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    Tories OUT says:

    It would help if they stopped wasting money on windmills and sending electricity prices sky high.

    Now wait for it.


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    Billy Bowden is the greatest umpire ever ! says:


    How would a rise in intrest rates affect savers and borrowers , and do you think this is a possibilty in the next 12 months?

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    Cameron is a Cunt says:

    Maybe we will be so fucked that we won’t need a government of any colour because we, the people, would have got rid of the lot of the thieving, self interested bastards forever and will run the country ourselves – all we need is somebody at the end of the phone top organise rubbish collection

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    William Cobbett says:

    You don’t think the massive electoral bias in favour of Labour has anything to do with it then?

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    Scottish Independence Now! says:

    Dear Jock MacTampon,

    As is usally the case with your kith and kin, all your misfortunes are down to the evil, bairn-eating Tories from South of the Border.

    I didn’t notice much effort from your and your clansmen to keep the shipyards open, the pits working, industry humming – while you had the chance.

    No. All I remember was the bitter, small-minded victim mentality, and ‘it’s our oil’ even though you had to import whole fucking towns-full of skilled, educated Americans, Norwegians and Englishmen to actually get the oil out of the seabed for you.

    Scottish Independence Now! For all our sakes – and mostly for a good laugh by the English who have had to nurse you on the teat for two hundred odd years.

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    Duke of Wellington says:

    All the scotch are good for is cannon fodder for us sassanachs. Left on yer own you’ll sink like a Gordon brown turd

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    Labour says:

    Puny minions! When we return to power, we will be their masters! They will obey us! Oops, did we say that out loud? Of course, what we meant to say was you are the masters and we are the servants. And we believe in democracy. Yes.

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    Anonymous says:

    I fear you may well be correct

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    Ignorant inglish wanker watch says:

    Thats never Burns you ignorant c unt. What a tosser !

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    Alger Non says:

    after all the shit that’s gone down in recent years I am frankly amazed that anyone would want to vote for any of them. What is the matter with you?

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    13eastie says:


    If you find THIS coalition disagreeable, consider for a moment how it might be with Cable and Balls pulling the strings.

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    Old Tory Bigot says:

    I remember Heath as PM. He was a deeply flawed (if sometimes brilliant) man, and not a true Conservative in my reckoning. His love of the Common Market and all that.

    I don’t think Cameron and Heath are remotely comparable.

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    Anonymous says:

    the elites have it all wrapped up.
    you’d know if you were one
    most of us aren’t and we are buggerede
    return of slavery, poor laws, enclosure acts, and witch hunts

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    Fubar Saunders says:

    They wont be able to sort fuck all out, but almost certainly yes, they will get back in. Too many tribal fuckwits who are prepared to vote for them regardless of how much they get shat on after their votes have been stolen… and too many of the tories core vote that will stay at home.

    A golden opportunity for UKIP, but unless they pull their fingers out and start making a noise, nothing is going to come of them.

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    A bloke of a certain age says:

    As Britain moves ever closer to a banana Republic Senior police officers are now wearing pretendy uniforms to make themselves look more important. The next step is the over ornate Uniforms with loadza medals and stuff much loved by El Presidente types !

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    henry VIII says:

    they would be lonely without us

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    me says:

    old tory bigot is just that

    dave and all his paratroopers including constituency workers are fucking arrogant, fucking condescending, fucking rude and fucking WRONG

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    A bloke of a certain age says:

    By the way whilst on this subject which Police force is Orde actually a member of ?
    If ACPO is a private organisation and his job is with them then he isn’t really a police officer at all I would argue. He is in fact another pilgrim !!!

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    Old Tory Bigot says:

    What Tory infighting?

    Vicious infighting is the Standard Operational Procedure for the Tory party, both in govermnet and in opposition, but it has been conspicuous by it’s near total absence since the GE.

    Have I missed something?

    Agree on EU referendum though.

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    Sebastian Coe says:

    and we’ve still got the olympic games!!

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    Cruel and Unusual Punishments says:

    Someone should cut an ‘X’ in your arsehole!

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    billys botty bonanza says:

    Botty watch more like.

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    Billy Bowden is the greatest umpire ever ! says:

    This is from Labourlist Guido.

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    Lets all laugh at the inglish says:

    I believe the inglish are offering us Ed Milliband and Ed Balls at the moment !

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    Old Tory Bigot says:

    I use the moniker Old Tory Bigot, not because I am, but because some empty headed, childish lout, like you, called me that in a discussion once.

    It amused me so I stuck with it.

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    pigs in space says:

    the policy to pay down debt is printing money to run a five percent inflation rate (while lying that the target is two percent), this will not change. Savers and pensioners are being wiped out to support the parasites. There is no Conservative government, or any chance of one. The only real Conservative MP is Douglas Carswell.

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    Lou Scannon says:

    Quite. Guido talks about Cameron being embarassed by colleagues who are likely to get banged up, but Labour MPs have never had to face charges for their crimes – they’re the ones who got us into the present dire predicament.

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    Joe Stalin says:


    It’s the libertarians that promoted individual rights above personal responsibilities (aka human rights, gay rights etc) via subversive legislation. They were the ones that pushed the equality agenda knowing that discrimination is an inherent part of a healthy functioning country/society/economy. The gender equality legislation’s success was in the breaking up of the family unit and thereby deliberately facilitating the atomisation of our society. It was done because it was good for business.
    Immigration policy is driven by the libertarians. The more immigrants = more consumers. It’s good for business. And what’s good for business?….growth, at the expense of sustainability.

    Libertarians take all opportunities to force their agenda onto poor Johnnie Foreigner under the guise of liberal democracy (unless their leaders can be bought off – of course). It’s why they are so keen to start wars. Wars are also good for business – for the industrial/military/political economy.

    libertarians = anarchists (without rules), they are Trotskyite, they impose rigged market economies onto peaceful statist nations under the guise of liberal democracy. The BBC is wholly complicit in this pursuit (ref the BBC’s constant bigging up of foreign anti-statist subversives such as Ai Weiwei in China and Aung San Suu kyi in Myanmar).

    Do not think in terms of the old Left vs Right political dogmas. That’s all just pantomime for the lumpen proles. It’s about anti-statists vs statists. When you read the MSM news (aka propaganda) with that perspective in mind, EVERYTHING becomes clear.

    When you analyse all of the actions of Thatcher, Blair, Brown and now Cameron their anti-statist OUTCOMES of policy all start to make complete sense.

    THEY are all in it together.

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    Anonymous says:

    Oh well, I’ve done my duty and been tat for the weekend. Your turn next weekend Billy you fucking slacker. I’m off for a kip.

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    Chippy inglander watch says:

    Oooooo get her !

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    Lou Scannon says:

    Are you a Blue Peter presenter ?

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    Jackson says:

    Ditch the libdems and give us a vote on Europe. If they don’t vote UKip!

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    John Hindson says:

    Interesting comment. Can I get back to you after Dragon’s Den?

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    Anonymous says:

    Right again Guido, but I will not mourn their passing. They have no principles, no ideas, no integrity, no intellectual rigour, no honesty and ultimately, no point.

    Labour coming back to power will hasten the collapse this nation sadly needs in order to come to its senses. My only hope is that the coalition stays together for long enough for me to escape this island to somewhere more pleasant (Helmand in fighting season, for example) in order to watch the tragedy unfold.

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    If Cast Iron had snatched victory from the jaws of defeat there wouldn’t be a Labour Party left to worry about.
    As for putting NuLabor out of it’s misery the NuBlues seem to be intent on keeping them on life support.
    Is there some jerk-circle going on at Westminster that our political elite don’t want us proles to know about?

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    Billy Bowden is the greatest umpire ever ! says:

    Latest Message from Ed Milibands Labour party.

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    Iloathlefties says:

    We could save £25 billion a year by stopping our membership of the EU and borrowing money to give it away in foreign aid.

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    Billy Bowden is the greatest umpire ever ! says:

    “They have no principles, no ideas, no integrity, no intellectual rigour, no honesty and ultimately, no point.”

    They are politicons!

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    Old Tory Bigot says:

    Don’t go Larry. You’re our only hope :(

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    Mr Head in Sand says:

    We are only one year in another 4 to go before the next election. Still time for economy to improve given the right tax cuts and reorientation of economic activity at the Far East rather than US and Europe. In that case there will be even more reason to distance ourselves from the EU.

    Don’t believe there are any bodies. Cameron has the correct narrative concerning Coulson. Gave him a second chance and Coulson swore blind re knowledge of so called hacking.

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    Budgie says:

    “No one” saw the 2007/08 crash; now “every one” sees the next crash. Is it just me or are both examples of the human tendency to think that everything will carry on as before?

    The biggest problem in the western economies is not that they are crashed out, but that the establishments of the USA, EU and UK are corrupt: they lie, cheat, loot. And that includes Cameron, Obama, Sarkozy, Merkel et al.

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    Osama the Nazarene says:

    That bias will be removed by the end of this Parliament.

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    Not quite the greatest batsman ever says:

    Does anyone really care about Coulson? What if he was employed for a year or two by Cameron? Did he do any wrong during that employment? Moreover he seems to be keeping a low profile unlike those who occupied similar roles for Blair and Brown and have genuine concerns to answer like taking the nation to war on a dodgy dossier, for example.

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    Billy Bowden is the greatest umpire ever ! says:

    Right , I aint the sharpest tool in the box, But if Order-order is to high brow for me, where do i go?

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    the right is right says:

    Theres plenty of taxpayers money to squander on foreign aid, tens of billions of pounds straight to bent/fake charities and the rest to bent despots.

    Its money no object when the euroslime scum come knocking on the door with their hands out, no expense spared or if there is then the ECHR will soon stamp on that.

    Plenty of money to hand over to 3rd world immigrants with a desire to live in central London in multi million pound mansions, hey, they fully deserve to live the high life while our OAPs starve in concentration camps AKA old peoples homes.

    Bailing out the banksters? Come right in Mr Bankster heres a knighthood and a few billion quid, the taxpayer will happily foot the bill and if they aint happy then so what? That crooked sneering git Osborne happily selling out his own people and nation with the help of his rich friends, he is happy to see his own people in abject poverty just as long as his evil friends get what they want.

    Quango land, the employment club for upper middle class friends’N’family the gravy train is 1st class executive ***** luxury with the taxpayer footing a quango bill larger than the defence budget. Looting on a grand scale.

    And last but not least the green eco fraud where Camerons already rich family is looting the taxpayer of windmill subsidies over a 3rd of a million quid a year and there are thousands of rich parasites bleeding the taxpayer of tens of billions a year with the political class taking the lead in the looting.

    Cameron is a liar and a cheat and a fraud he deserves to be tried for his crimes against the British people along with his Quisling friends.

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    Budgie says:

    The Tories voted Cameron (ie a non-Tory) as leader precisely because of the BBC/Guardian/Observer/Mirror politically-correct, statist, Labour-supporting strangle hold on the media.

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    Crikey says:

    Sorting the postal vote scam out will help. Are there really that many people who can’t make it around the corner to vote once every 4/5 years?

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    James says:

    I think you posted the graph of private+public debt as a % of GDP for the UK and other countries over the last 10-20 years, As you can see from this graph the amount of debt created increased at a far higher rate than GDP was growing to a historic high.

    Normally this would be highly inflationary as it shows that banks were creating large amounts of credit and therefore increasing the money supply. However this time the inflation didn’t go into consumer goods as China and other developing countries were producing cheap goods for the west. Instead this extra money/credit went into bidding up asset prices such as residential and commerical property which people would borrow on to further fund increased consumption of imported goods.

    If you think inflation is a problem, the question is what do you think is driving it – what is increasing money supply (certainly not the banks)? We have just lived through a prolonged period of inflation – I doubt the factors driving that are going to come back soon. People’s salaries are not rising but falling so it is not being driven by the consumer. Governments are cutting back on spending so no inflation there. You can make the case that QE caused some inflation but QE is the reaction to the crisis rather than the cause of the crisis.

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    Billy Bowden is the greatest umpire ever ! says:

    whoop Whoop!

    Time for me to go home, Take care and have a one good all :-)

    Thanks for putting up with me Guido :-)

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    Budgie says:

    Actually that would be nearer a £100 billion benefit to the economy.

    80% of our trade is with ourselves, yet that 80% must comply with EU rules. The roughly 10% we export to the EU would still have to comply with EU rules, but then our exports to the USA must comply with their rules too. And only 10% is a lot cheaper than 90%.

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    Billy Bowden is the greatest umpire ever ! says:

    Ps Anyone useing my monkier is fake from now on, Well till back at work tommorrow :-)

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    Gordon Brown says:

    Here’s a recession I prepared earlier

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    busted nokia says:

    currently Osborne/Cameron are outspending Brown. Suspect the bond markets wont be fooled for long.

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    Budgie says:

    Well, we have impoverished ourselves bailing out two scotch banks.

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    Nick Razor 99 says:

    Sure, buddy. You English are masters of the euphemism! I, too, am about to have a little lie down. Mrs. Razor is making those strange cooing noises. Touch base with you later, Johnno.

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    I don't need no doctor says:

    Imagine Ed Miliband as Prime Minister. I tried but found it impossible.
    David Starkey was spot on – if only we had politicians that told the truth. Now there’s a thought.

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    I don't need no doctor says:

    The Guardian of course.

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    You would wouldn't You. says:

    There is also the threat of the break up the Union. Come on Englishers be honest. If you had the chance to break away from all the useless t w a t s at Westminster you would take that chance wouldn’t you?

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    Anonymous says:

    Yep, true dat.

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    Anonymous says:

    Billy don’t go, you make the rest of us look good, plus I wuv you vewy much.

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    Anonymous says:

    I am now very seriously depressed. Cameron is the reason.He has no backbone. He does not back his ministers with their reforms: has nothing about immigration:panders to the LibDems:tries to be Mr.Nice Guy when we need a strong leader:talks the talk but does f–k all.
    Like most members of parliament he has never done a proper day’s work in his life.MPs go tho university,study politics,get into special advisory positions in parliament,then get on the short lists to represent us as MPs.I want someone with life experience to represent me. In fact, if I could pass a law it would be that no-one could become an MP until they had done ten years work completely unconnected to politics.

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    Raving Loon says:

    Good riddance, this was just the unofficial 4th term for Labour anyway. The Tories should just be replaced with UKIP and we can move on without pretending we have a conservative government. The only thing worse than a socialist is a socialist pretending to be conservative.

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    I’d likе to considеr а contrаry position to Guido’s sеt out аbovе. This coаlition hаs bееn forеcаst to fаll аbout sincе dаy onе. In fаct it hаs hеld togеthеr – common intеrеst in powеr – shit sticks to blаnkеts еtc..

    Thеrеforе, it is а rеаsonаblе аssumption thаt it will hold for thе tеrm. Аlmost four yеаrs is аn еtеrnity in politics. Guido’s point is will votеrs fееl bеttеr? Bеttеr thаn whаt?

    If а doublе dip doеs occur, it will mаttеr how dееp аnd how long it is. Thе fаctors thаt, to mе, diffеrеntiаtе this from 1929 аrе thе sovеrеign wеаlth funds аnd thеir shаrе of thаt pool of monеy thаt hаs to find а homе, onе wаy or аnothеr.

    Jаpаn suffеrеd from two dеcаdеs of dеflаtion. To а grеаtеr еxtеnt, thе world’s mаrkеts hаvе simply skirtеd аround this. Thаt cаnnot hаppеn with thе combinеd mаrkеts of USА аnd Еuropе. Thеrе is not еnough “othеr world” lеft. So wе аrе not еxpеcting dеflаtion аs а corrеctivе mеchаnism.

    I sее cyclеs bеcoming shortеr аnd morе frеquеnt. Bringing this bаck into thе аrgumеnt, it is possiblе for а doublе dip of shаrp but short durаtion to occur bеforе thе inеvitаblе sounds of ovеrsold аnd chеаp stаrt ringing in our еаrs аgаin. I hеаrd thеm lаst wееk.

    Clеаrly, thе pound hаs lost hugе ground sincе 2007. Not only did thаt hаppеn on Brown’s wаtch but it hаs tаintеd his pаrty’s rеputаtion. Thе City will no longеr touch thеm. Thе votеrs (cliеnts аpаrt) rеcognisе this. So а short dip mаy rеbound on thе Cons but if it еnds or is turning, thеn thеir story will still bе bеttеr for middlе Еnglаnd. I think thаt thе аrgumеnt аbovе doеs not tаkе into аccount еnough of thе poisonеd chаlicе еffеct which cаn undoubtеdly bе sold.

    Of coursе, I mаy bе wrong. It hаs hаppеnеd bеforе.

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    It did but ZaNuLabor with the help of the Beeb are airbrushing history to show themselves in the best possible light.
    Why do you think Teflon Tony opened his mouth on the riots, scared someone was finally going to pin the tail on the ZaNuLabor donkey responsible for it all.

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    Chavtastic Pie Key Britain says:

    @ 13eastie says:
    August 21, 2011 at 7:27 pm

    There are three things that cheer me up. Firstly, a LimpDim/Parasite Party coalition would be saddled with Fuckface Milimong as leader, and Vince Cable as Chancellor (OK, not good for the UK, but it would be funny). watching them try to cope, with a frustrated Balls sniping from the sidelines.

    Secondly – and let’s not forget this – ueber-chav Amy Winehouse is dead.

    Thirdly, all the chavs are downloading Amy Winehouse albums, which is contributing, in a small way, to the economy.

    Bless her. More use dead than alive.

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    Labour fucked the country says:

    I just saw one of the funniest things ever on the news. A clip of Libyan state TV news, the newsreader holding a handgun! :-D

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    Jimmy says:

    “in that event the LibDems, probably without Clegg, will in all likelihood support a Labour government.”

    What LibDems?

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    If only Fatuous Dave and the rest of his wimps would start putting the boot into NuLabor and telling everyone where this mess came from. – the last lot in power.
    They’ve almost lost the propaganda battle on this front.
    The poisoned chalice has to be pushed at every interview any member of the coalition gives. If it means getting into a shouting match so be it!
    They’re treating NuLabor with kid gloves, if the boot was on the other foot, NuLabor would be in there with their hobnails on.


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    Tessa Tickles says:

    You must be their most avid reader – does anyone else read LaboutList?

    I think it’s too difficult to call. On the one hand, Camoron is pissing-away our (borrowed) money on the EU and foreign aid and he’s a slavish servant of the EU, and totally anti-English, which counts against him, but on the other hand, Ed “blank sheet of paper after 11 months” Miliband looks, sounds and acts utterly retarded. Plus he stabbed his brother in the back. Plus, Ed’s retarded.

    Who will win? Well-educated imbecile Camoron, or poorly-educated fucktard Milimong?

    Who knows? But I’d wager that if Dave Miliband was leading the Parasite Party, Camoron would be toast.

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    Toby Jug says:

    Nothing has changed since New Labour but the window dressing, a bit of blue tinsel and an old school tie, but the stench of lies and corruption in Westminster has stayed the same.

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    The Golem says:

    I’d rather return to the existing Bill of Rights of 1681, minus the obvious hatred of catholics but retaining HM’s subjects’ right to keep and bear arms.

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    Robert Gabriel Mugabe's Aching Prostate says:

    Why bother even voting?

    It’s blatantly obvious that the entire system is broken beyond repair.

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    Displaced Brummie says:

    Not if Ed and Ed are still in charge.

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    Anonymous says:

    Salmond has no intention of holding a vote. If you like kicking dogs, why kill it?

    If the vote is a ‘yes’ the Scotch have to face a future alone and broke.

    If it’s a ‘no’ the Nats lose all credibility.

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    Zulu warrior says:

    So why is pointing out that windmill leccy costs 40x more than ordinary leccy moderated?

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    Aldo says:

    A vote for labour is a vote for political correctness and economic incompetence. When you’re in a fix, you don’t vote for the guy who put you there. If you’re stupid enough to do so then you deserve everything that’s coming your way.

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    Ah! Monika says:

    21.18pm 73 thumbs up Better than winning the Caption Comp eh Billy?

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    CHRIST ON A BIKE! says:

    This whole piece is nonsense.

    Apart from anything else, it isn’t a Tory government, it’s a coalition, and judging by the last local election results, the Conservatives are doing very nicely, certainly in the areas the need to.

    Also, the economy has been fvcked for years. Collapsing Eurozone or US economies, can’t be blamed on Osbourne or the coalition government.

    In the real world, outside of Labour’s friends at the BBC and media village, most people know that we are still in the midst of an economic shit storm that the present government didn’t cause and instead, have the misfortune of trying to manage.

    Labour’s reputation for economic management is terrible, Militwat and Balls will not change that perception anytime soon.

    Also, having such a whopping national debt, will effectively kill the usual left-wing arguments and boiler plate anti-Tory sloganeering. They cannot be credible in saying the Conservatives are mean and nasty for not spending other peoples money on all those welfare charmers that we witnessed in the riots, because people will ask where the hell the money is supposed to come from without bankrupting the country?
    If Labour try to look like responsible managers by saying the Tories are not bringing down they debt fast enough, firstly they don’t have any credibility on this, secondly, it will mean they will have to admit to raising taxes and or cutting spending even more, none of which is going to entice the floating vote.

    The economic crisis, much like the manifestation of the “broken society” we have recently witnessed, has given a huge boost to us right-wingers. More people are begining to see more clearly the problems of excessive public spending, too much welfareism and alley-cat morals of parts of the population. All of which have been promoted by Labour and the left for decades, and consistently opposed by the right (and sometimes, even the Tories)

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    Old Blue Eyes says:

    Guido, You have left one important factor out of the equation – Red Ed.
    Do you honestly think the electorate would be so daft as to put that utter non entity in to Downing Street? Oh, on second thoughts though you may well be right – they haven’t shown much sense in the past.

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    wanker, Cameron, yes you, you are a wanker says:

    Once he bottled a Lisbon referendum, his goose was cooked. Useless fucking PR spiv boy with frig all to offer.
    He still squints at his speeches. Shifty, not to be trusted.

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    CHRIST ON A BIKE! says:

    What utter nonsense!

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    Copulate Huhne says:

    If Dave wants to be the PM again then he must do 2 things.

    1) Dump the AGW scam
    2) Withdraw from the United States of Europe.

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    Technomist says:

    They should have done far far more about rooting out the massive amounts of waste, incompetance and corruption in Labour-run local authorities to put them on the back-foot in their heartlands. It might even have saved some of that money they tell us we are short of, despite wanting to give huge dollops of it to an ungrateful third world.

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    CHRIST ON A BIKE! says:

    Labour’s media friends are creating the narrative, which by-the-way, very few people believe.

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    The Biased BBC says:

    Let’s face it Libyan TV is no more biased than BBC TV.

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    Technomist says:

    He just needs to stop wasting our money. If he spent 0.7% more money in the Uk instead of abroad, he’d be surprised what that could acheive in an economy that is flat-lining.

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    Thom says:

    Good riddance – Squandervatives could’ve been revolutionary and we could have had a 90s New Zealand style renaissance; instead theyve become a joke, at the whim of a single man’s vanity and paranoia.

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    Must get a pseudonym one day says:

    Not forgetting the Proxy Vote scam, where ethnics retain an address in the UK but actually live back in the Third World – their proxies are harvested for money by agents, who then make them available to candidates (for a ‘consideration’, of course).

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    CHRIST ON A BIKE! says:

    most psychotic piece of Labour trolling I’ve seen for while on here.

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    Must get a pseudonym one day says:

    Look up the Jocks’ ‘imperial’ adventures in South America for a clue…..

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    Anonymous says:

    Gadaffi has been beheaded by the rebels!!!!!!!!!

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    Ah! Monika says:

    Just needs another U turn. No probs.

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    Where have all the Tories gone, long time passing? says:

    If Dave does lose the next election then the Conservatives can rightly claim that not only did they fail to win the last election they also failed to win the next one.

    But when will the Conservatives put up a Conservative leader that the Conservative voter can vote for?

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    The Missing Multiplier Effect says:

    That would not go down too well with all the immigrants who send their child benefits and untaxed cash in hand income abroad as remittances.

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    Buff Your Top Hat, Sir? says:

    Sounds like fun. Can we bring back chimneys and coal mining?

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    Must get a pseudonym one day says:

    According to the history taught in schools now, WWII was actually about establishing a J*wish state in P*lestine – nothing else mattered.

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    Anonymous says:

    You are Ed Miliband and I claim my fiver.

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    CHRIST ON A BIKE! says:

    They can’t fvcking break the coalition!!!! The BBC et al will have a field day telling everyone how mean, duplicitous, and untrustworthy the Conservatives are.
    It means the Lib Dems will keep the soft-right cop-out vote and the Tories won’t take the seats they need to off the lib dems and the other marginals, that they need, that Lib Dem voters have kept out of their reach since the nineties.

    Clegg knows that, that is why they made them promise the full 5 year term.

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    British Politician says:

    We do not want any of that talk here. We are a very civilised country and only support the death penalty in the tin pot Arab states that we have created.

    Anyway we would rather inflict mental torture on a child killer for the rest of his or her natural life rather than putting them out of their misery.

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    God is an Englishman. says:

    Cameron is straight, not a shirt-lifter like Heath.

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    Fed Up With The Status Quo says:

    I don’t know if he’s from the Labour Party or not, but I agree with him in many respects. The current government are a profound disappointment, they have changes nothing, achieved nothing.

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    Gordon Brown says:

    I’ve got a crack addiction.

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    Phil says:

    I’ve just read in thye tripoli post that he’s cornered in a hotel

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    Fed Up With The Status Quo says:

    Its not a ‘propaganda’ war that is needed. They need to kick down the doors of all the corrupt elements from the old regime and make them explain where they amassed their unbelievable wealth without taking bribes or fiddling their taxes.

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    CHRIST ON A BIKE! says:

    really? None of which Millitwit will do, so your point being?

    What Cameron says or does has to be taken in a context that is relative to his opponents. On that basis alone, he’ll stroll it in the next election.

    The shit that twats on here obsess about, like the EU, for example, are rather lower down the priority list of your average floating voter.

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    JF Isidore says:

    Someone on the Spectator site commented that Toby Young’s interview read like it was one of Johann Hari’s. Whatever could they possibly mean?

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    South of the M4 says:

    An old saying. ” I do not know the secret of success but I do know that trying to be all things to all people is the recipe of failure”.

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    Osama the Nazarene says:

    Saif al Islam Gaddafi Phd LSE has been captured!

    Up yours Socialist International. One of your members will soon be joining the path of Democracy.

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    Ulster Scot says:

    But where oh where are the bears to arm?

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    Libertarian Fifer says:

    If Miliband and his vermin get back into power, I will be voting for Independence. Many of my fellow Scots feel the same, we can’t bear the thought of another decade of Labour and their monumental fuck ups and more destruction to the UK.
    In Scotland Labour are on the decline, many have woken up to their destructive policies. Unless the Tories can perform miracles and the Labour Party die a horrible death there will be no Union. England is sadly dying and Labour will hasten its death, Scotland will not tolerate a similar fate. Scotland is losing its wife and very soon the Union will be just a memory one that we may shed a tear. Goodbye England the wife of Scotland. We will remember ye fondly and how the strong man o oil carried ye for so long and back then you were worth carrying but those days are long gone., Now we scratch our heads in wonder. What went wrong?

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    Not Now Cato says:

    Poor post Mr Fawkes.

    This is not a Tory government, it is a coalition government. There is a difference.

    If Dave wants to win, he can guarantee a referendum on staying in the EU – job done.

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    CHRIST ON A BIKE! says:

    “disappointment” ?

    What the hell were you expecting? They are a coalition for god’s sake! who took over government as the country was mired in the shit, in just about every major area.

    I have always been a right-winger but Cameron is governing with the consent of the Lib-dems, so he can’t be a strident Tory if he wanted to be!
    Why the hell do people (even the non Liebour trolls) Shit on Cameron for not governing like a radical right-winger when he was never in a position to do so?

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    Johann Hari says:

    After I finished my second term as US President, I decided to launch my acting career. My Best Actor Oscar is one of my most prized possessions.

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    Ulster Scot says:

    But RBS saved National Westminster from bad management by a “good” bank taking over a bad bank like Llloyds did with HBOS which was created by a “good” bank taking over a building society that was not good at banking.

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    YorkshireLad says:

    Wat Tyler, come on down!

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    Libby Lula says:

    a number of reports say Gadaffi shot dead in street

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    The Godfather says:

    If you Limeys dont sort yourselves soon I will have to intervene, and it wont be pretty

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    Libby Lula says:

    reports coming in that he has been shot dead in street

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    Gordon Brown says:

    Do you think Jedward like me? Or Wagner? I hope JLS like me. And Louis Walsh.

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    Hugh Mann-Wright says:

    We’d better organise a couple of £ 2,000,000.00 Council houses for him and his family.

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    Anonymous says:

    There is a simple solution. The longer the Tories delay, the less likely it is to work.

    First, publish all the debts, not just the liabiltiies.

    Second send taxpayer a personalised bill

    Three, blame it on Labour.

    A bill for 225,000 pounds and an interest charge of 9,000 a year.

    Are you going to vote for the wankers who left that as the mess to clear up?

    Delay and it will be a Tory mess.

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    Libby Lula says:


    CONFIRMED: Mu’amar #Gaddafi, leader of #Libya for 42 years, has been shot DEAD in vicinity of Rixos Hotel in #Tripoli. #FF



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    U-Skip says:

    Many of the most anti-Cameron are U-skippers.
    They are upset because Camo didn’t leave the EU.

    They dislike him for not implementing a policy that has never,ever had.

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    I Hate New Labour says:

    This is so clearly the answer, yet lefty Dave doesn’t see it.

    Hopefully they will lose, find a real Tory to lead them and get back in power as a legitimate alternative to Labour – not just more of the same.

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    That is the hotel all the foreign correspondents are housed in.
    Reporting from the spa and bar no doubt.

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    Phil says:

    They coul make a start with the BBC

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    I Hate New Labour says:

    But they barely limped over the line against the most hated incumbent in recent memory.

    And even then, they needed f*ckwit Clegg to actually hold office.

    So maybe they should try being proper Tories, can’t see how they’d do any worse.

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    Anonymous says:

    And that is exactly what will happen. This nation of fuckwits will get the government it deserves and the IMF will come calling a short time later.

    Let the greedy plebs vote for their own destruction. Once the free money fallacy has been properly exposed we made be able to rebuild from more solid foundations.

    This place is fucked until we rediscover competence, integrity and accountability. There is no chance of the ‘great’ British public allowing that to happen without a monumental epiphany – they’ll vote their own currency into the toilet first.

    Only a good old fashioned financial buttfucking, with no lube, can provide enough of the pillow-biting reality required to break the spells of corporatism and welfarism. Then the whining, lazy, parasitic turds at the top and bottom may actually start working for a living again.

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    Cato Street Conspirator says:

    Oh dear, there seems to be a lot of worry about. What the actual story is this – ‘The Tories have absolutely no effing idea what to do about the problems of their very own system, capitalism. No idea at all. So why not cut their losses and throw in the towel.’

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    They were a sort of alternative political party that flourished in the late 90’s early millennium.
    They had a policy of ensuring that they held a right and a left view of any policy and would quote freely from either one. Sometimes even within the same interview.

    Once in coalition all this nonsense was exposed and their somewhat embarrassed supporters were forced to make tough choices. Many of them decided that this was not what they had in mind when they went into politics and sought refuge from reality by joining the green party, where their unworkable ideas were warmly embraced.

    The last reported Liberal democrat, a Mr P Ashdown, died in 2020 aged 99.

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    Drop a Daisy cutter on the BBC says:

    Well the Limp Dems will be wiped out at the next election if the Tories don’t get the economy right and if the Tories can get the fiddled extra seats that Liebore keep winning sorted.

    However, I didn’t go to Eton nor stick my penis up a 12 year old, but even I can work out that to get out economy going you need to CUT TAXES not put them up. You also need to cut public spending.

    1. Cut fuel duty by 20p a litre (and arrest any oil company exec who refuses ot pass the cut on)

    2. Cut income tax.

    3. Cut VAT

    4. Sack anyone working in the public sector who earns more than £100,000 a year.

    5. Anyone in the public sector earning between 50-100K a year should be made to take a 20% pay cut or lose their job.

    6. Get the fuck out of Afghanistan

    7. Make the bone idle bastards on benefits get a job.

    8. Close down the BBC.

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    nell says:

    Just a thought…

    the gadaffi’s are falling tonight and tripoli is beginning to party.

    so is mandy, bliar, gordon and the lse , those erstwhile friends of the gadaffi family especially saif, moving all to rescue their dearest bosom pals from danger?

    No??!! They’ve actually gone and hid tonight whilst the gadafi’s try and flee.

    What is that line about fairweather friends??!!

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    nell says:

    apparently saif al islam gadaffi has been captured by the rebels as tripoli falls.

    johann says ‘I have an interview with saif tomorrow as he and his father proclaim victory over nato and the foreign insurgents sent by cameron. saif tells me he is going to cement an alliance with the next british pm edmilitwit through his very close and personal bosom pal mandy!!’

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    Interesting “law of unintended consequences” aspect. There are so many financial instruments that did not exist in the sixties. Credit cards, debit cards, Paypal and so many other means that it would probably crumble at the seams.

    That would not prevent Yvette’s castrato, with his delusions of deity, from attempting it.

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    james wilson says:

    I agree with a lot of what been said tonight. The fact remains that the gap between the ‘silent majority’ of Britain, who actually fund Britain, and our elected politicians, has never been wider. We vote for a Government and then have no control over them. They decide whether to go to war, even though they know that the majority of Brits are against it.
    There are so many areas where the chasm is obvious that I am surprised that a serious Political writer has not managed to produce a comprehensive list of the deficiences. And that includes you, Paul!!!
    If anyone is interested, I have written the first ever blog in my life. If you can send an E-mail address I can instruct the blog to give you access.

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    jgm2 says:

    We’re doomed. More correctly – we’re pre-doomed.

    Cameron is to the UK what Obama is to the USA. He’s the poor dumb sap who has inherited an utter clusterfuck left by the previous incompetent jackass. Thats why Obama despised Brown. He saw in Brown the same incompetent, economy destroying, deficit-deying, reality-denying jackass that he saw in Bush.

    The yanks, God love them, will elect an utter imbecile because Obama cannot, after all, give them ‘hope’ or ‘change’ and the Great British Public will elect Miliband for the same reason.

    We’re fucked. Gold is 1800USD for a reason.

    You don’t believe your government could possibly be that incompetent – but, as Bush and Brown have proved – they really can.

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    I don't like Darcus Howe so I must be a racist says:

    Doesn’t really matter. No matter who wins the election, the political class always gets in. More of the same, just different spin.

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    How civilised that they should allow some alcohol in a Muslim country. This Qadafi fellow seems quite a decent cad, don’t you think?

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    Guido's kindergarten says:

    UKIP get about 3% of the popular vote and are viewed by the vast majority, except some of the children on here, as eccentric little englanders. Even with an extra 3% posh boy still wouldn’t get a majority.

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    Minimum wage winner says:

    After working 60 hours this week I have enough money for


    I can’t afford guitar strings to enjoy myself. Let alone beer and weed. fucksakes


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    jgm2 says:

    I think your priority number 8 should be pushed up to number ONE.

    While voters are daily misled by a self-serving, self-interested, self-propogating shower of tax-parasites then there is precious little hope for self-reliance, self actualisation (the bed-wetters love that) and self respect.

    The Labour party, absent the CO-OP bankrolling their horrendous overdraft, are as ba*nk*r*up*t as the state in which they left the entire UK. The ONLY think keeping them in any semblance of political credibility is the annual 3bn 24/7 propaganda machine that is the BBC.

    Imagine if the BBC were broadcasting 24/7 how the previous government had borrowed their way into recession. How, during the ‘good’ times they were still forced to borrow 3% of GDP to engineer 2% of ‘growth’. Imagine if you will a true, independent, national broadcaster.

    And then imagine the exact opposite and you have the BBC.

    And then realise you’re paying 3bn quid a year to have them lie, cover up and hide on an obscure web-page something embarrassing to the Labour party just so they can claim that ‘over the range of their output’ that they’re unbiased while simultaneously creating anti-Tory press out of nowhere and leading the TV news with it.

    The fucking place wants burning to the ground but I’ll bet that if we had another four years of riots and every high street in the UK was burned to the ground that the ‘independent’ BBC would somehow survive to helpfully explain that these riots were all the fault of ‘too deep, too fast’ cuts.

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    Weygand says:

    Vain, bumptious and wrong – Guido is getting caught in the same Westminster mindset he used to expose.

    In the real world, absolutely nobody is saying “If only we could have Miliband and Balls” and nobody is saying Oh Blair and Brown, where have you gone?”

    Yes we are in the shit and will undoubtedly still be there in 4 years time but who will be calling for Labour to dig us out? Guido won’t that’s for sure.

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    robbie says:

    Why are you panicking guido? IF Labour thought they would end up as the largest Party they would have an election now and encourage the Fib Dems to walk away.

    At the end of the four years the verdict on Osborne will be whether or not the deficit is down- not whether we are better off. No option was going to leave us better off.

    The US and Europe are officially f*cked so its whether or not Osborne has given us the best chance of surviving that fact and allowing the Chinese to continue to lend to us. If Obamstick gets the boot next year it might just kick off a recovery of US business confidence amongst all the Joe the Plumbers out there about to be hit with his tax plans. Osborne will soon start to stimulate the economy with supply side measures because thats all he has left after near 0 base rates and max to the limit QE to avoid hyper – inflation.

    So quit fretting, keep calm and carry on. Have I got your misery index down yet ?

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    robbie says:

    Don’t you realise that if Scotland is independent it guarantees a Tory Westminster win and you can govern your increasingly impoverished homeland they way you’d like it to be -unequal , uncivilised, uncaring and even more unbearable than it is now?

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    Inglish poof watch says:

    The modern Scot who built the fucking Empire you imbicilic inglish twat !!!!

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    We the sheeple says:

    We the sheeple aint rioting cos Big bro and X Factor is on innit. Peace bluid.

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    robbie says:

    Lol – Nigel f**king Farage

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    Osama the Nazarene says:

    Can’t see posh boy champagne socialist Milliband minor getting a majority even if he does survive the full term.

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    Spanner in the works says:

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    robbie says:

    Guess what you lot – the UK relies on the EU to be doing rather well- so don’t stop spending yoru holidays there.

    Toodle pip!

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    Budgie says:

    A “little Englander” was someone who was opposed to the British Empire. Do you think we should have the Empire back? Just asking.

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    Spanner in the works says:

    The backlash is GLOBAL.

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    A Wise Auld Witch says:

    Scotland willnae tolerate Miliband’s Mingers n Chavs. So tata Union and have a good one.

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    Jimmy says:

    Actually just checked that linked prediction:

    “The Tories have received 33% of the popular vote, LibDems 29% and Labour 24%, a strong 6% showing by the BNP concentrated in Labour heartlands has shocked the political system and given the party its first Westminster MP in Stoke, where Labour’s vote split. UKIP’s Nigel Farage has taken Buckingham, after two recounts, by 7 votes. Ed Balls has lost his Morley and Outwood seat to the Tory hero of election night, Antony Calvert. The SNP has made strong gains strengthening Alex Salmond’s claims for Scotland to be granted more self determination.”

    How do you do it?

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    D L George says:

    Breaking News. (maybe)

    Sky says Reuters is reporting “Gaddafi captured by rebels”.
    Sounds ominous, they don’t know if they’re talking about one of the relatives though.

    BBC News 24 is doing what they always do, ie, showing a string of repeats and missing the point of rolling news. As per usual.

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    Budgie says:

    So RBS saved NatWest from “bad management”? Oh wait a minute ……

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    jgm2 says:

    Just back from a week in Fucking Scotland after three years abstinence from its profound fuckwittery.

    Windmills all over the place since I left. Traffic still fucked up in Edin-fucking-burgh while they set some rails in the road so’s they can all travel in a tram to the airport (what’s wrong with the bus like generations before them?) and get the fuck out of the horrible shit-hole they had the misfortune to be born into.

    Thanks for the oil money though – it sure helped us through that tricky period from 1600 to 1980.

    Fife? Lived there for six years. What a shit-hole. I wouldn’t wish it on my worst enemy. Luckily the Maximum Imbecile voluntarily lives there between speaking engagements. Hahahahah. What a jackass.

    If I could resurrect Osama Bin Laden I’d force him to live there. It’s like Hell – only wetter.

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    Engineer says:

    Some truth in that. However, the other political parties have even less idea what to do about anything, so it’s Hobson’s choice at the moment.

    The only good thing you can say about the Tories is that they are slightly less incompetent than all the others.

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    oddly helpful says:

    A early exercise in Brownian cacanomics. An entire nation sunk its wealth into a dream of becoming an imperial power in central America.

    It’s mysteriously not given prominence in the GCSE History syllabus.

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    Budgie says:

    Whether he lifted shirts or not, Heath was strong but a liar (30 year rule). Cameron is weak and a liar (cast iron guarantees).

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    The Day After Tomorrow says:

    What next for Libya ?

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    Engineer says:

    A week is a long time in politics. Four years is an almost geological timescale in political terms.

    How many “Events, Dear boy, Events” are we going to get between now and 2015? Some very challenging economic times, for sure – but what else?

    Far too soon for speculation like this, Guido.

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    AC1 says:

    I think Obama is the US version of Brown.

    both similar academic fuckwits.

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    Budgie says:

    James, what you are saying would have been correct if there had been no QE. But there was QE (and there may be more), so that changes the dynamic. QE stopped deflation and gave us 5% inflation instead. You can be sure that the Lizards/Bilderbergers/Establishment will give us more QE if deflation looks like kicking in.

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    TollyPointBee says:

    Firstly congrats to Brit & Frog Special Forces for taking Tripoli. oops sorry I mean the men in tracksuits shooting at the sky!

    Secondly Gaddafi’s big mate is putting in offers on @8M houses. I CANNOT BELIEVE that there isn’t sum seriously murky financial stuff involving Mandy that Guido could publish but won’t coz Mandy has a super injunction and Paul is maybe scared.

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    AC1 says:

    The problem was caused by Socialism making things “too big to fail” and bailing out politically connected Bank Bondholders.

    The problem was also caused by Socialist taxing the fuck out of the economy and patching it up with debt, until it died.

    It wasn’t capitalism that caused it it was the parasite on it, the state that caused the initial debt volume problem, then made it worse.

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    Gadaffi entering the Big Brother House any time now… (Well, it makes as much sense as anything else going on now.)

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    AC1 says:

    Cast Iron?

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    Ha ha says:

    If Dave were a Tory! You should have used the subjunctive in a conditional clause. Labour educational policies fail once again.

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    D L George says:

    Anyone flicking news channels tonight?

    Sky – people on the street, live feed from Tripoli, amazing.
    BBC – Reporter stuck in hotel, Elf ‘n’ Safety extravaganza.

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    A bloke of a certain age says:

    Lol yes I was thinkingthat myself. The Beeb reprter was saying I cant get out of the Hotel. What or who is stopping him ? He also made his report standing at the window of his apartment. Snipers !

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    Anonymous says:

    Add devolution max ( no Scottish representation at Westminister ) for Scotland and its nighty night Labour Party for a long,long time,perhaps forever (fingers crossed).And it will be throughly deserved.

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    The inglish legacy says:

    We gave you Maxwell, Baird, Watt, Bell, Livingstone, McAdam, Fleming, Smith and you gave us Milliband, Balls and Harman !

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    A bloke of a certain age says:

    My worst case senario is Gadaffi entering Silly Bercow but Im asdured thats highly unlikely .

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    Bigot watch says:

    Oh fuck our fair weather friend has returned. Anyday now will see the arrival of the Paragnostic.

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    Billy Bowden is the greatest umpire ever ! says:

    It is good to be aprecited by fellow scren lickers

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    socialism has murdered 150 million human beings pride says:

    Don’t come that shite Christ on A Bike–If it wasn’t for the Lib Dems etc

    Camoron is a lying treasonous Blue Labour turd.

    Forgot the Hier to Bliar bollox?

    They may well get 1 term because big big economic trouble is coming thanks to the worlds political shit.

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    Spanner in the works says:


    Who will be next to fall to public opinion?

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    Gordon Brown is Crocky says:

    Have I got the eye of the tiger?

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    socialism has murdered 150 million human beings pride says:

    The average floating voter, just like you, is a cretin.

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    Tron says:

    BBC Libya coverage is terrible.
    Sky are right there with the action and Alex Crawford is a star. She has been very brave throughout the whole war.

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    MAD FRANKIE HADDOCK son of COD says:

    One hell of a piss up ?

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    Don Quixote says:

    Please don’t campare Miliminimus to me. At least I knew what I was doing…

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    Tom Baldwin's Liebour Ajax supplier says:

    Red Ken, Red Ed, Gormless Gordon and Teflon Tony….will be sort at their millionaire mansions!

    Apache hellfire missiles are optional…but a necessary evil!

    The Evil of Liebour

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    albacore says:

    You don’t see that many magicians and conjurors these days.
    Fear not, the black arts are alive and flourishing as never before.
    Fawkes would have you believe that the parties of Cameron and Miliband are as different as chalk and cheese.
    Neat trick, at least for most of the remaining fewer than two out of three registered suckers who could be arsed to vote in 2010.
    Meanwhile, in plain sight, before your very eyes, the white English will become an ethnic minority in England within another generation.
    And what will the Tories, Labour and the Lib-Dems do then, poor things?

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    Gulp says:

    Sit down and fasten your safety belt.

    You will not believe this.

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    Signposter says:

    For some light relief (and an unintended lifting of the Misery Index) do go to the Yahoo home page today and read some of the comments on what the great unwashed British public really think of Tone and Slotgob

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    Signposter says:

    Yes, you are right. But the reason they all buggered off overseas was because they could no longer stand being in Scotland.

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    not a machine says:

    As green square celebrates the ending of 42 yrs of corrupt power (1 down 4 to go), it brought back some fond memories of 2010 Uk gen election , if only we had captured the ruin and his cabinet and offered for them to leave and go somewhere else .

    I think I might refer to some of last weeks analysis that the markets do not have much faith in what the politicians are doing , these emergency EU meetings which seem not to do anything , only last week Obama (on the bunker bus tour)was talking about more spending on infrastructure . Its one thing to say they dont know what to do , quite another to not explain .The EU is not cutting cost (somthing which would provide ecnomic growth in manufacturing economies) .Still no idea on making safe toxic debts or rigour on eurozone countries ,spending and tax collections .

    I appreciate the word confidence gets used a lot when discussing markets , but the debt has been created on the back of creative economics and engineered booms which always were going to show up the eurozones underlying real economy . A banking crisis in france or germnany is another problem entirely of there own making as they chose to pump the debt into these banks .
    Why has the chancellor allowed nationalised banks to buy european debt , thereby affecting there balance sheets (and return of our money) .

    dont know , wont say , cant decide is the pot that seems to be being passed around .

    of course growth speculation doesnt seem to be much use at the moment , and if not carefull the markets may allow the pessimissim to become admission that some things are/were overvalued .
    The safe haven bit , I think is correct in that we should have a good reputation in finance and our services are good , the not so safe bit is that there still seems a bill for the fail somewhere in the pipeline if the euro banks suffer more , which perhaps is what is making some wonder if george and dave should not have made some more deft and resolute approaches to the EU finances . Trying to keep our powder dry or procrastinating and hiding the real agenda ????

    One term ……… bit too soon to say , some very important arguments have been won in the last year (i dare not think what it would be like if labour had just continued with there lies ) , I give dave an awful lot of credit for fighting some important battles , and having some skill at sorting some problems out ,which unfortunately he seemed to have not got right and that includes how the coalition was working . He went into the election preparing for picking up after Blairism (which many thought was a success, so did i for most of his premiership , perhaps we will never know if Blair was stupid ,inept or just lying for socialism , but I do not beleive he did not see the figures or question the gold sell off ) and instead has to run the country on the back of one of the biggest debts we have ever had .

    Peter hitchens still has doubts and some commentators are seeing that a lead is better than coalition management speil . It will be a blow for me if dave cannot find the correct combinations of command and politics , in part because I believe he is a very talented man , worthy of the job of PM and has had very dire and toxic circumstances (which would have sent most wannabes into early retirement) . In some ways he is improving as a PM and is perhaps more knowledgeable about matters , as some of his more early approaches have undergone testing and had to be re thought .

    I am trying to avoid physcophancy , but i think he has done a remarkable job even though he has been modernising and er untory at times (although the times are different) and has not liked his encounters with the right .

    there is though still some gaps , labour did not get the utter finishing they deserved in the GE , and the libs cant really blame anyone as they were in with labour for many years ,in the comfy left middle , so when labour got found out , they were always gonna pay . The coalition offers them some stabilasition , but to me they seem to be pissing that down the drain with being unresponsive or playing games , almost habitual offenders now in my book .

    but let us imagine if george ,Dave and steve hilton are planing some sort of liberal puppet to EU ,cash for chums idea and they are faking there devotion to the UK and its people . Well if that good a trick , it will of course fool us and it will have been a waste of time as yet another liberal elite sells ordinary extorted and decived tax payer into destitution whilst they make good on whatever deals they have managed to do .

    The conference season is soon and another bout of speaking and subterfuge to undermine conservatives , we will perhaps learn a great deal from this session , i am waiting to see , dave may well have improved as may ministers ,it could still turn one term if we havent cleaned the stables enough or rethought medication on broken decived and lied to britain .So we may come to at least thanks and give some credit to the conservatives post conferences . I think the numbers are suggesting somthing more awful futher down the road but it may be solvable .

    the new conservatives for a busted country is a bit of mis match , the old conservatives could have put the books right (you know the ones who got told they were not really wanted and sounded all era wrong and were barged aside by the metropolitian uberbots). Egos love fans I just hope that dave has learned why his party used to have so many more members , who werent fans , but thought they were members of somthing honest that loved its countries story ,places and people , and not just corporate lackys .


  316. 316
    A. Rabb says:

    Does this mean that Tony Blair will have to give that £6 million advisor fee back to teh Libtans now?

  317. 317
    John Bellingham says:

    But the Sky Lady is on the back of a Technical running around Green Square with joyous firing all around. License fee refund please.

  318. 318
    Signposter says:

    In a word – loony Scottish politicians (you can name them yourself).

  319. 319
    Well Paid Shill says:

    Total Bullshit, Red Ed Moribund couldn’t win an election against a half eaten pork pie, the man is a joke. Major cities across the UK burn for days and the oppositions ratings DROPPED! What exactly do you think he’s going to do in the next few years which is going to turn things around? And this is before we even get to the pre election debates where Balls will still be denying that Labour screwed the economy and Millibrain will repeat the same answer to every question across all three debates like a demented animatronic on the fritz.

  320. 320
    not a machine says:

    I appreciate Ghaddaiifs sons have been captured , but there are literally 1000s of people on the payroll who have not been captured , his hard core stasi ,khamis brigade and perhaps a lot of money .
    I would think quite a lot of work is now needed to put in place the sound international institutions , and hope than any ghaddafi emmigrating cronies never interefer again in libyas affairs . the missing ones and the stasi will be quite a tale if he is to avoid prosecution , story will still need to be told for the 42yrs he ruled to be judged by the arab world properly and justice done for the libyan people who he wronged .

    Just hope the new government has learned from iraq and has a different international outlook , hope it affects the arab league to see it was wrong in not speaking more into the state of its nations sooner and was behind the democrcay need.
    hope it has sunk into assads regieme also , elections in feb 2012 , seems a bit late , how many years has fake state of emergency kept him in power ?? like ghaddafis socialism did .

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    Signposter says:

    Surely you have that arse about face? The EU relies on the UK to be doing well so that lots of binge drinking yobs can go to Marbella (or wherever the IN place is this year)?

  322. 322
    Signposter says:

    You appear to have overlooked also giving us Bliar Brown Campbell Cook Alexander etc etc etc ad nauseam.

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    not a machine says:

    dont forget early days of war when Lisa holland was there , as one or two other had dangerous moments . Still risky road trip for alex none the less , (could have been all waiting for fightout in greensquare) although alex does seem to like those best journo danger awards

  324. 324
    Signposter says:

    oops mod ded. Forgot the bloody p e a tripwire.

    You seem to have overlooked also giving us Bliar Brown Campbell Cook Alexander etc etc etc ad nauseam.

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    the right is right says:

    Wake up, wake up and open your eyes. You are a conservative? You have been betrayed, utterly and completely betrayed.My heroes are Reagan and Thatcher and Tebbit and Hannan. The coalition is a front for the most corrupt regime the British people have ever faced, the political and establishment elites are looting public monies as never before. Oh how we laughed when we watched ‘yes prime minister’ yet the evolution of this grotesque moral degeneration has reached its zenith.

    Am I psychotic? What the f*ck do you know? Have you not eyes to see, ears to listen and a mind to understand whats going on around you? The British people have been betrayed by those we looked to and trusted. Cameron and his friends are corrupt Quislings looting public funds while betraying their own people. Billions upon billions is simply disappearing from public funds, and the theft is blatant and bare faced. How did Mandelson afford 8 million to buy a house? The political class are the real degenerate criminal looters. Who runs the quangos and the who is riding the gravy train?

    The fish rots from the head and the stench is overpowering, if you cannot see that your trust in these criminals has been betrayed then you soon will.

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    MrAngry61 says:

    The 7th century?

  327. 327
    MrAngry61 says:

    Nearer 80 times, when the short life of wind mill gear boxes is taken into account

  328. 328

    Tony Blair calls for the government not to play politics with the riots.

    Jesus Christ! What hypocrisy! It was his decade of government that laid the groundwork for it all.

    Still he cannot see the light…

  329. 329

    If it did happen, it would be a back stairs job for sure.

  330. 330
    Lou Scannon says:

    Blair is Darkness.

  331. 331
    MrAngry61 says:

    Paveway II bombs are more accurate and effective

  332. 332
    MrAngry61 says:

    Scotch MPs’ support for Labour CAUSED the welfare dependency culture

  333. 333
    MrAngry61 says:

    I note that none of the papers are saying precisely where Mandleslime’s new house is.

    Funny that…

  334. 334
    Sir Everard Digby says:

    I think you will find it was £300 -for holidays. There was of course the ‘dollar pool’ where you wandered into your bank and asked for 500 dollars to go on holiday. You would have to wait whilst your bank applied for it and sometimes there was not sufficient currency available to give you all of it.

    Thanks Labour

  335. 335
    Lou Scannon says:

    They’re headed down the road to Western ‘democracy’ – which means they’re fucked.

  336. 336
    Beware what you wish for says:

    Why the surprise ??…Socialists and their supporters have always re-written history…the BBC is hard at it as we speak…to hear them talk you’d think that the period 1997 – 2010 was a “Golden Age” and that if we had a Labour Government instead of this Tory-led Caolition everything would be rosy…they’d be no cuts;no unemployment;no riots;massive spending in the shops on credit and happy dancing children in the streets……………..

  337. 337
    President Ron Paul says:

    You could try this.

    Abolish the Income Tax

  338. 338
    Puncture Repair Specialist (PhD) says:

    You got that right squire. £22.50 please.

  339. 339
    Archie says:

    Cupid stunt Cameron should have made disbanding al-Beeb his first priority! Thus The Grauniad, deprived of its major source of revenue, would have collapsed AND he would have had no sniping to contend with!

  340. 340
    Gutter Press says:

    It’s wherever you see a gutter

  341. 341

    Jimmy that was a “what if”, but you knew that. There were plenty of articles advocating a coalition.

  342. 342
    Cato Street Conspirator says:

    Ah, the old Trot trick – When things go well it’s capitalism; when things go badly, it’s not ‘real’ capitalism. We can see through them and we can see through you.

  343. 343
    Princess Aurora says:

    Do you have to be so pessimistic on a Monday morning? Surely, after 13 years of the other lot, the voters would not be so stupid as to vote in the likes of Ed and Ed?

  344. 344
    Postlethwaite says:

    Just imagine if they had more than 3 pct.

    Bolton West:
    Labour 18,329; Conservative 18,235; UKIP 1,901
    Derby North:
    Labour 14,896; Conservative 14,283; UKIP 829
    Derbyshire NE:
    Labour 17,948: Conservative 15,503; UKIP 2,636
    Dorset mid & Poole:
    Labour 21,100; Conservative 20,831; UKIP 2,109
    Dudley North:
    Labour 14,923; Conservative 14,274; UKIP 3,267
    Great Grimsby:
    Labour 10,777: Conservative 10,063: UKIP 2,043
    Hampstead & Kilburn:
    Labour 17,332; Conservative 17,290; UKIP 408
    Middlesbrough South:
    Labour 18,138; Conservative 16,461; UKIP 1,881
    Morley (Ed Balls):
    Labour 18,365; Conservatives 17,264; UKIP 1,506
    Labour 16,393; Conservatives 14,841; UKIP 3,491
    Plymouth Moor View:
    Labour 15,433; Conservatives 13,845; UKIP 3,188
    Liberal 23,635; Conservatives 23,460; UKIP 1,200
    Somerton & Frome:
    Liberal 28,793; Conservatives 26,976; UKIP 1,932
    Southampton Itchen:
    Labour 16,326; Conservatives 16,134; UKIP 1,928
    St Austell & Newquay:
    Liberal 20,189; Conservatives 18,877; UKIP 1,757
    St Ives:
    Liberal 19,619; Conservatives 17,900; UKIP 2,560
    Labour 15,977; Conservatives 14,996; UKIP 2,428
    Walsall North:
    Labour 13,385; Conservatives 12,395; UKIP 1,737
    Walsall South:
    Labour 16,211; Conservatives 14,456; UKIP 3,449
    Liberal 24,560; Conservatives 23,760; UKIP 1,711
    Wirral South:
    Labour 16,276; Conservatives 15,745; UKIP 1,274

  345. 345
    Ol' Blue Eyes says:

    Have to disagree Guido. An unpopular government will beat a weak opposition. 1992. 2005.

  346. 346
    blackdogtales says:

    I agree with the analysis of the difficulties facing the Tories. However, I doubt that Labour are capable of capitalising upon these difficulties and face more trouble than the Tories. Also, Cameron is about to be handed a war victory and Gadaffi’s head on a plate, thanks to a long-term and largely-ignored air campaign by the RAF. This will, in turn, put pressure on Syria and mollify those Lib Dems with an international conscience.

  347. 347
    Anonymous says:

    I don’t agree Guido. In 4 years time what will the main choices be for the electorate. Dave, Nick or Siliband. The Limp Dims vote will sink like a stone, Siliband has no traction so Dave will be most folks only option. Now if he had real competition, that would be a different matter!

  348. 348
    KatieL says:

    Who the hell wants to be in power in 2015?

    That’s the year that someone has to go on television and announce that people will only be getting power in ordered rotation.

    So obviously that’s London during the working day, everyone else either evening or morning.

    It’s nothing to do with the oil — that’s the year in which several governments’ dithering over new nuclear power meets the environmentalists’ demands for wind power instead of clean coal meets the environmentalists’ and NIMBYs’ demands for not wind power meets the EU’s determination to shut down coal power stations.

    Leaving the UK with not enough generating capacity. And that particular crapstorm has been set in motion and now can’t be changed. We don’t have enough time between then and now to sort it out.

    Since much of it is Labour’s fault it does seem fair that it’ll be one of them who will have to explain why Sheffield is only important enough to get power between midnight and 4am.

  349. 349
    Budgie says:

    CAGW is a scam. Cameron is a fool to believe it. Windmills are useless, and ruinously expensive, and require conventional power station back up. But 40x? 80x? – rubbish.

  350. 350
    M says:

    Economically we are pretty much connected to the rest of the world how it’s doing effects our little island economy
    How ever the state of socialist policies on other economic zones are clearly not sustainable
    Just like they are not sustainable here
    In the short term there’s a time of adjustment in the economy , even contraction but eventually sustainable growth
    What all economic zones should do is implement economic policies that sustain the economy not their political office

  351. 351
    M says:

    If the present administration who’ve made the correct decisions mainly because they haven’t got elections around the corner .
    Perhaps comments should aimed at socialist governments causing the instability

    & if a week is a long time in politics 4 years is an eternity so stop flapping & grow some balls

  352. 352
    Andrew says:

    If what you say happens, the UK would deserve everything it got!!!!
    How could we forget the damage done by Blair and Brown aided by Campbell et al.

  353. 353
    John Bellingham says:

    No it was definitely £50. However after a few tour companies showed the Labour chancellor how to count using his fingers it was modified to allow air/sea fares and a portion of accomodation costs to be paid seperately and eventually the £50 was the “cash” portion. You could actually get a fortnight in Tossoff del Mar for £50 in those days. MPs on fact-finding trips were, however, exempt.

  354. 354
    Gadfly says:

    If Cameron is not straight and doesn’t stop manoeuvring to protect Coulson et al, the Tories will indeed be one term Tories.

  355. 355
    Guido's kindergarten says:

    About 20 seats – still not enough. The tories haven’t got above 37% of the GE vote for nearly 20 years. It is highly unlikely that they ever will – thank God. ‘The natural party of opposition’.

  356. 356
    John Bellingham says:

    I lived through such a situation a couple of years ago.
    1/. The pubs do fabulous business and one gets to meet the neighbours.
    2/. One makes lots of new friends. Especially single women who don’t understand the manual overide on their electric gates or are afraid to go home alone in the dark.
    3/. Huge upsurge in portable generator sales, camping-gaz lights and stoves.
    4/.Greek restaurants with traditional wood-fired ovens make a fortune.
    5/.With no Tv and no computers people started talking to each other.
    6/. With traffic lights knocked out drivers sort it out themselves and traffic flows smoothly.
    7/. You get an extra few days to pay your bills as “The computer’s down”.
    8/.With the ATMs off one starts to save money or learn to cadge effectively.

  357. 357
    Guido's kindergarten says:

    It would help if he, and Osborne, had a clue on how to deal with any issue rather than just have a knee-jerk reaction. They had no policies in opposition, now they have no policies in power. A party being led rather than leading. When’s the next crisis going to happen? Whatever it is they will make a complete balls-up of it.

  358. 358
    The inglish legacy says:

    Campbell is inglish but that aside I was making the point too subtly for some obviously that too many people on here are quite happy to stereotype my countrymen and its actually just as easy to do the same back. Still goes over most folks heads it would appear.

    Ps I always chuckle when those who try and mock me for my spelling on inglish as they are often the same ones who used the tired old phrase scotch. They just dont get it !

  359. 359
    The inglish legacy says:

    Whereas inglish support for Labour was irrelevant ? Really??

  360. 360
    Giles Farmer says:

    One Term Tories? Thank God!!

  361. 361
    The inglish legacy says:

    Jgm2 do us a favour and dont come fucking back .

  362. 362
    The inglish legacy says:

    I see you think deeply about things my friend and have a firm grasp of history. ( thats sarcasim by the way )

  363. 363
    Guido's kindergarten says:

    Little Englander is a term now applied to English people who are regarded as xenophobic and/or overly nationalistic and are often accused of being ignorant and boorish. It is frequently applied to those who are against membership of the European Union. English people who mistakenly refer to the whole of the UK or Britain as “England”, or who routinely fail to give the opinions of non-English British citizens any importance, may also be called “Little Englanders”. Both of these usages are controversial.

  364. 364
    Allahu Akbar says:

    Never mind all this rubbish, when is somebody going to slap piggy Pickles round the face?

  365. 365
    HYUFD says:

    There is no way Red Ed will be PM, Osborne will go into the election cutting taxes and promising no more spending cuts. With the LDs being massacred taht should be enough for a 2015 Tory majority of about 20!

  366. 366
    Jimmy says:

    To be fair, you did consistently predict that the coalition would force Labour to concede second place.

  367. 367
    Tom White says:

    Quite funny reading some of the ludicrous right-wing crap on here: Joe Stalin’s completely muddled analysis of what a ‘Trotskyite’ is being a particular classic. Sorry dearie, not all of us think that gay rights are a bad thing, and not all people who believe in them are Trotskyite… David Laws ranting about the EU, and HRA is good solid loonie rightism too.

    Do you hire these people to make you look semi-reasonable, Guido? Sorry you’re having a wobble. Could it be that the British public aren’t quite as right wing as you (and even more the rag bag of loonies posting on here) thought…? :)

  368. 368
    Archie says:

    Gold watch soon, methinks!

  369. 369
    Mr G Mandering says:

    The effects of constituency equalisation and boundary changes should not be overlooked.
    Labour cannot win again without minor party support

  370. 370
    Adam Collyer says:

    Current opinion polls are putting Labour on 42% – easily enough to govern on their own.

    The Tories are stuck on 36% – the same as at the last G.E. They only won because the Lib Dems did so well (23%) and the Lib Dems are now on less than 10%.

    Call Me Dave only managed to raise the Tory vote by 3% compared with Michael Howard’s effort in 2005!

  371. 371
    Anonymous says:

    Stop that Budgie! You know very well the pigeonhole into which Guido’s kindergarten is trying to lump UKIP supporters. UKIP must be discredited and smeared at every opportunity, without smart alec’s like you popping up and confusing matters.

  372. 372
    blingperson says:

    According to Guido’s kindergarten “UKIP… are viewed by the vast majority, except some of the children on here, as eccentric little englanders (i.e. xenophobic and/or overly nationalistic and are often accused of being ignorant and boorish).”

    No. This is how they are perceived by a small clique living in Hampstead and Islington or working in government and the media. Out there among the proles opposition to the EU is widespread, among small business owners clogged up with red tape through to electricians adapting to yet more pointless regulations through to householders wondering why the hell they can’t buy their preferred design of lightbulb. People can see through all this nonsense and sadly for you and your smug chums in Brussels, they’re not too dumb to spot the common factor. It’s the EU.

    Oh, and we’re sick of being smeared as “little Englanders”.

  373. 373

    I have bookmarked to your site I will come back

  374. 374
    richard sniffer & he's wife fanny says:

    richard sniffer and he’s wife spot on

  375. 375
    IXION says:

    It was Nigel Farage who siad it was aconstant struggle to stop UK truning into the

    ‘Angry old men who are against everything’



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