August 10th, 2011

Dave Prentis is a Tax Hypocrite

Unison boss Dave Prentis isn’t exactly famed for honesty about his salary:

So imagine Guido’s surprise when it appeared Prentis got litigious on the Mail on Sunday:

“Last Sunday we said that Dave Prentis, the Unison general secretary, had secured a 31 per cent increase to his pension contributions from the union. This was incorrect. In fact as a member of the Unison staff pension scheme, Mr Prentis is paying the increase himself under the union’s ‘salary sacrifice’ scheme. We apologise to Mr Prentis for our mistake and for any distress caused.”

The Mail were close, but not quite there. The question they should have been asking is why should someone who is a member of a very generous union final salary scheme choose to sacrifice yet more money to pay into the scheme?

Well a good place to start in the hunt for an answer is Unison’s own Annual Report. Specifically page 16. You won’t be surprised to see that comrade Prentis is one of those unfortunate fat-cats who earn between £100,000 and £112,950. Someone on that money is subject to Gordon’s personal allowance tapering. This means his marginal rate of tax was 60%.

Rather than pay this rate of tax though, Prentis has engaged in some personal tax avoidance and paid the money into his pension, ensuring the state couldn’t get its hands on it. By doing so he has effectively got a 60% tax relief on those payments. Because the Unison financial year doesn’t match the fiscal year, its not possible to say exactly what Mr Prentis’s pay in 2010/2011 was, but Guido understands that it was not more than £99,999…

Only a fool would go out of his way to pay more tax and many up and down the country use this same technique to minimise their bill. However what if you scaremonger about this sort of behaviour for cheap political points? Five days ago Prentis said:

“The Government would be better advised to look at plugging tax loopholes for the rich and tackling tax evasion that costs us billions, rather than giving top earners a cash break.”

Did you have any particular “tax loopholes for the rich” in mind Dave?

A hypocritical, fat-cat union baron… Now Guido has seen everything…


214 Comments

  1. 1
    Billy Bowden is the greatest umpire ever ! says:

    Socailisim=Hypocrcy

  2. 2
    RightWingProtestor says:

    hows about everyone only getting £5.93 an hor?

  3. 3
    nell says:

    If one’s doing it they’ll all be at it.

    Let’s have a look at bobcrow’s as well.

  4. 4
    sockpuppet #4 says:

    Lots of numbers there.

    Anything been set on fire yet today?

  5. 5
    Billy Bowden is the greatest umpire ever ! says:

    “The Government would be better advised to look at plugging tax loopholes for the rich and tackling tax evasion that costs us billions, rather than giving top earners a cash break.”

    Slightly small point, He moans about tax evasion but uses tax avoidence.

    One is legal and the other illegal

    however he doesnt point the finger at the person who doubled the length of the tax code making it easier to avoid tax.

    Ps Tax Avoidence is your duty.

  6. 6
    Rat's arse says:

    Funny isn’t it that these union bosses never lose a penny when they call their members out on strike? Hypocrites?….Utter, total w@nkers. However, if the members of the Unions weren’t so thick, they’d realise how Prentiss operates. So far though they are just ‘Prentiss’s plonkers’.

  7. 7
    Jess The Dog says:

    Do Unison want to distance themselves from their inflammatory T-shirts?

    “Get Angry And Fight Back”

    http://www.unison.org.uk/summerofaction/Campaign_tshirts.pdf

  8. 8
    Anonymous says:

    Of course he’s a hypocrite, he’s a union twunt.

  9. 9
    Bill d'Sarse says:

    Is anyone in the real world actually surprised by this?

  10. 10
    David Lewis says:

    This cannot be right since salary sacrifice is also taxed heavily in these circumstances to prevent contributions above the limit to claim tax relief being circumvented by the use of salary sacrifice..

    So there is something very wrong going on here. Someone does not understand the limit rules.

  11. 11
    Cat says:

    Prentiss’s Plonkers won’t mind their man doing a spot of tax avoidance or earning a huge wad. That particular bile is purely reserved for the educated middle classes.

  12. 12
    FlipFlop says:

    Do Unison protect ‘school workers’?

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-14478063

  13. 13
    Colonel Nut. says:

    The champagne saucer is a Prentis.

  14. 14

    Stealing from the Nike shop. Designer clothes are the new gold. Make shit the new gold and rioters would bring their own buckets to cart the stuff away.

  15. 15
    Sir William Waad says:

    Actually, Prentis has secured a 31% increase in his pension contributions from Unison. At the same time, he’s waived some of his salary. The Mail’s story was true.

  16. 16
    Rog says:

    Don’t worry, the crusading BBC/Guardian axis will be all over this.

    Oh, er, hang on…..

  17. 17
    Jaclyn says:

    Sickening isn’t it? Talking about cuts and ‘race to the bottom’ whilst sitting pretty on a salary ten times the amount some of his union members get. I find it despicable if that man is earning that much money and avoiding taxes. What a fine upstanding member of the community he is not.

  18. 18
    Sir William Waad says:

    Apparently it’s the fault of the Capitalist System for making people want this stuff.

  19. 19
    smart alick says:

    and I thought that tax avoidance particularly for businessmen in this country was perfectly acceptable …. indeed aspirational ….

  20. 20
    Now let me think says:

    Forensics officers are busily dusting for fingerprints amidst the wreckage of looted shops in Manchester’s St Anne’s Square. In Dawson’s music store, they have found copious prints on a near-priceless grand piano that looters tried and failed to carry off.

    The thugs stole several expensive keyboards, only to use them as battering rams to smash in the window of the nextdoor newsagent which they raided for cigarettes. (Telegraph)

  21. 21
    Rog says:

    No doubt UKUncut will also be camping on the Bruvver’s doorstep.

  22. 22
    David Lewis says:

    If he is over the salary limit, he cannot use salary sacrifice to claim new tax relief so there is something basically wrong either with the story or with Unison’s understanding of the rules.

  23. 23
    Tax Payer says:

    Loopholes allow avoidance, not evasion.

    Therefore he is complaining about evasion, which is exactly what he is doing with his pension scam.

  24. 24
    smart alick says:

    next it will be ‘Prentiss caused the London riots’

  25. 25
    The only goy in the village says:

    It depends how fit the hor is.

  26. 26
    A bloke of a certain age says:

    Guido allow mw to put this in context and thus prevent any further misunderstanding on this very important issue.

    When a leftie , celebrity or bleeding heart liberal call for tax loopholes to be closed or indeed tax increases they are of course referring to other people financial affairs and not their own. Such an intellectual position allows them both to flaunt their humanity and appear as wonderful caring human beings as they call publicly for all money raised to be given to the poor and has the additional advantage of not actually affecting their personal wealth.

    Im sure you can appreciate the benefits of such a position and I trust my clarification on these matters will result in less confusion in the future.

    Just remember Socialism like the application of the Law is for the little people.

    Thank you.

  27. 27
    Tax Payer says:

    *Therefore he is complaining about AVOIDANCE, which is exactly what he is doing with his pension scam.

    Apologies…

  28. 28
    David Lewis says:

    and the tax rate on salary sacrifice over the salary limit is 40% so there is something wrong somewhere.

    Pension stories should always be checked with someone who understands the rules.

  29. 29
    Anonymous says:

    Don’t bother Guido with facts, he’s got smears to think up.

  30. 30
    smart alick says:

    and he’s not alone … most rich people stay rich by using tax avoidance and tax evasion as the way they ‘do business’ – but it’s perfectly fine for them – in fact those poorer people only exist to make up the financial difference for them

  31. 31
    Ah! Monika says:

    Just watched Gove V Harman.
    Don’t you feel just a little bit sorry for Mad Jack Dromey

  32. 32
    bergen says:

    The Polly Toynbee brand of socialism-nice work if you can it.

  33. 33
    Tax Payer says:

    Fine – unless you go on a platform and criticise it.

  34. 34
    sockpuppet #4 says:

    Its the fault of their advertising.

    “Just do it”

  35. 35
    Jess The Dog says:

    Check out the salaries that Unison offers for its staff.

    http://www.unison.org.uk/jobs/

    £10K more than the public sector equivalent. And those mugs (and taxpayers) are funding this gravy train.

  36. 36
    Spartacus says:

    No nothing feral out there

  37. 37
    Tax Payer says:

    Yeah – but those rich people don’t then go onto a platform and say it’s terrible, babies dying in the street, whilst actually doing it themselves.

    Either he’s against it or he isn’t.

  38. 38
    A bloke of a certain age says:

    Money is the root of all evil, please get rid of it and dispose all you have into my bank account .

  39. 39
    Anonymous says:

    Cameron says use water cannon on yobs, unless the’re Bullingdon Boys.

  40. 40
    Tax Payer says:

    LOVE of money is the root of all evil.

    Money itself is neither good nor bad.

  41. 41
    Anonymous says:

    No he is a turd just like Cameron.

  42. 42
    nell says:

    No!

    Though I may be able to find a smidgen of sympathy for their illegitimate children who must be very confused about whether their surname is harman or dromey or perhaps dromey-harman ……………..

  43. 43
    George S Patton says:

    Everyone should be equal to these commies, except they are entitled to be more equal than everyone else. Wonder how many of his union members are still forced to join whatever their political colours. The thought of subbing the Labour party via being forced into a union makes me want to puke.

  44. 44
    Spartacus says:

    OK, I’ll say it.

    It was the fault of Fatcher

  45. 45
    Bertie Wooster says:

    No its not. Its sacrificed. (Not a word to the tax man – *taps nose with index finger)

  46. 46
    Anonymous says:

    Smart alex is just an arse and such reasoning is lost on him.

  47. 47
    Queen says:

    No I’m not coming back from my annual 12 month holiday, just because some ni g-no gs are burning some places I’ve never visited or knew existed. What the fuck do you think I am? A taxpayer-paid head of state? Now, fuck off.

  48. 48
    Tax Payer says:

    Actually HE is:

    – Rich
    – A top earner
    – An exploiter of tax loopholes

    And then he has the nerve to criticise aspirational people like myself who will never be on his kind of money.

    Have we all gone mad?

  49. 49
    Ramrod says:

    Any damage caused by a Bullingdon Club food fight was paid for in full by its members. I doubt the youths of Tottenham will be reimbursing others for the inconvenience caused. You?

  50. 50
    Rat's arse says:

    Feel sorry for Dromey? He’s where he is today because of Hattie. Do you know of any other man who can get chosen from a all woman short-list? Hattie is a better magician than dynamo.

  51. 51
    The Stilton Eater says:

    Excellent work. I knew he was suspect, this proves it.

  52. 52
  53. 53
    Crikey says:

    But Mr Prentis, what about public services? They need your tax!!!

  54. 54
    Asian Lad Identified says:

    The Asian lad who was robbed after being attacked has been identified. He’s in hospial with a broken jaw. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2024461/LONDON-RIOTS-2011-Ashraf-Haziq-jaw-smashed-robbed-thugs.html

    There is a webpage setup to try and do something for him too:

    http://somethingniceforashraf.tumblr.com/

    As a very minimum David Cameron should visit him ASAP and apologise on behalf of the nation.

  55. 55
    Rog says:

    Loved the sob story at the end of the Beeboid’s piece about how being convicted of such “low-value crime” was going to have a disproportionate affect on the unfortunate victim’s, sorry criminal’s life.

    Priceless BBC inverted morals.

  56. 56
    Jingouk says:

    Good one, Guido.

    Clearly the Mail On Sunday journos are asleep on the job.

  57. 57
    An Utter Bastard says:

    He is a bastard. A tax dodging bastard. A Socialist tax dodging bastard. A hypocritical socialist tax dodging bastard.

  58. 58
    Jimmy says:

    Surely this means that he is prepared to advocate tax changes which benefit his members even at his own personal expense.

  59. 59
    No shit sherlock says:

    Fawkes, think? Surely everyone knows the fat pos is just an organ of Murdoch/the I DF/the City’s PR machines, to impress the retards, psychos and bedwetters that come on this blog?

  60. 60
    Sophie says:

    It is time for DFID to be closed & the taxpayers money frittered away on lost causes abroad is re-directed to front line Policing in the UK.

    The feral mob have children already – this riot culture is going to get exponentially worse.

    So it is either fund corrupt NGOs, failed states, Mercedes Benz & Kalashnikov – or commit to properly fund your primary duty as the UK Gopvernment – Law & Order & Defence of the Realm.

    Any real Tories out there care to pass this message on to the Heathite liberal rusty Dave?

  61. 61
    I once too was normal says:

    Mad Hattie and Minor Dromo.

  62. 62
    labourunionsbbc we are one says:

    Hence: Socialism = Hypocrisy, or, as Billy would have it Hypocrcy.

    But that’s a lefty blind spot.

  63. 63
    Anonymous says:

    It is, but when you make a good living out of complaining about it you are a hypocrite.

  64. 64
    Anonymous says:

    I’m a bit rusty on defined benefit pensions but if his salary is approx £100k, to get an inflation linked pension of, say, 60% of final salary at 65 he’s going to need a pot of about £1.4m. If he then takes his 25%tax free lump sum (approx £350k) he still gets a pension of £45k. Given that that probably puts him into the 40% tax bracket its probably worth the hit.
    However I doubt that too many of his members will rock the boat as there are a lot of people in the public sector on eqivalent or higher salaries who may well be up to the same dodge, advised and supported by Unison.

  65. 65
    Anonymous says:

    Agreed, although a bunch of twats who speak and dress differently from another bunch of twats are still a bunch of twats.

  66. 66
    AC1 says:

    Projection…

  67. 67
    sockpuppet #4 says:

    Actually, its the fault of free will.

  68. 68
    smart alick says:

    all im saying is that he’s not alone in what he’s doing and yes hes stupid for mouthing off – maybe hes really stupid anyway – i dont care – he’s not the only one doing what he’s doing – and you gotta have a big enough income to do it which most people dont have FFS

  69. 69
    ian says:

    @ David Lewis,

    When the old pension ‘simplification’ rules where brought in anyone earning 130k and above was barred from using salary sacrifice to get around the anti forestalling rules that the last labour government introduced. New pension legislation allows contributions up to 50k to recieve tax relief at the highest marginal rate.

    When calculating your entitlement to a personal allowance you can legitimately deduct pension contributions from your salary.

    You have got the two issues entangled.

  70. 70
  71. 71
    Tax Payer says:

    Surely this means that he is prepared to exploit tax loopholes that he himself criticises?

    Which if he didn’t, the extra tax he subsequently paid would benefit his members.

    But he doesn’t do that. Because he is a hypocrite.

  72. 72
    Cat says:

    Typical politics of envy. What’s okay for fat socialist oiks gets self-same pricks all overcome with envy and outrage when it’s a ‘rich’ person.

  73. 73
    AC1 says:

    Thanks for correcting him. Drives me mad seeing that mis-quote.

  74. 74
    BoJo's one eyed trouser snake says:

    A socialist and a hypocrite, hardly a surprise.

  75. 75
    Anonymous says:

    evidence please

  76. 76
    Tax Payer says:

    Excellent

  77. 77
    ian says:

    however if he chose to put enough into a personal pension at age 65, he could reduce his income below the 40% barrier, get tax relief on his contributions and then get another 25% tax free lump sum further down the line

  78. 78
    Rog says:

    You’re going to have to narrow it down a bit.

    That describes practically all of them.

  79. 79
    Anonymous says:

    common knowledge

  80. 80
    M says:

    Socialism is a condition that starts in the late teens . Socialist’s call the “event horizon”
    (to you & everyone else “getting a job)
    Symptoms ; hot & cold fever , shaking , sleepless nights , bed wetting ,
    This is usually followed many years of stealing things and justifying their actions by spouting stuff like “society owe’s me a livin dunit”
    This is then followed by the 3rd & final stage
    Union job & safe labour seat
    Unfortunately treatment is long & expensive for all

  81. 81
    No such thing as a free lunch says:

    Will this unwanted import be allowed to teach in schools again? if lieboore have any say in it, yes he will, because he is crying out for justice.

    Isn’t that right lammy?

    Perhaps he can go back to Africa and teach the children there how to lust after brand names.

  82. 82
    Henry Ford says:

    And now back to some breaking premier league news.Tottenham Hotspur have just signed Leroy Grabatelly.

  83. 83
    Major Eyeswater says:

    The logic of paying the top people more than the “workers” is of course one that UNISON wholly endorses. Ditto ensuring that pensions aren’t raided by the government of the day.

    Solidarity! Hasta la victoria siempre! The people, united, will never be divided!

    Now where’s my broker – must buy some more gold.

  84. 84
    Gordon Brown, pushing and shoving his way to the front says:

    Let me through! I insist! Make way! MOVE ASIDE! I will be heard!

    Ladies and Gentlemen, – I wish to make unreserved apology for the many years of LieBore lies and bullshit that you had to endure as we bluffed our way through 13 years of waste, stupidity, and fatal flaws in just about everything that we touched, – cerat9inly everything I touched.

    Our policies were wrong, our aim was to appeal to the all too natural greed of all levels of society, – bankers, politicians, feckless and lazy people, and those that couldn’t be bothered to get off their botty. Indeed I rewarded a disgraceful banker with my favours after he enticed me with plaudits, – and I like a fool, accepted.

    My policies affecting families were flawed, and indeed they contributed in very large measure to the troubles we have seen in the last few days. It will take years to put right the disgraceful state I left the country in. and I deserve to be whipped – or worse.

    That is all for the moment, but I shall say more when I feel stronger. Just the trauma of apologising has been very demanding of me. Do you feel sorry for me?

  85. 85
    anonymous says:

    if the kids that have caused the destruction we’ve seen in recent days are called a ‘feral mob’

    what do you call governments that illegally invade foreign countries, that illegally spend public money on their own false expenses, support police who illegally kill people on our streets and trains, who tax the people under false premises like global warming, who give our money away to the EU, who remove our liberties, and who live above the law of the land?

  86. 86
    Billy Bowden is the greatest umpire ever ! says:

    Cut V.A.T on Dildos!

  87. 87
    nell says:

    Ample evidence just research the web.

    Founded in the late 1700’s , known to be rowdy, but has always been known to pay in full for any damage caused, most often in cash and most often on the spot.

    Don’t have to like what they did as students but you can’t compare them to this lot of rioters, looters, thieves and arsonists who have done so much damage, stolen so much and never contributed anything ever to society.

  88. 88
    labourunionsbbc we are one says:

    Deportation should be the sentence.

  89. 89
    A SocialShitist says:

    But what is the answer? What can we poor souls do? Would kownsling help while we wait for the cushy ‘job’?

  90. 90
    Judy Judy says:

    guido – call him a FAT RAT – not a FAT CAT – FAT CAT is scenonymous in the public with bankers… you could set a precident with

    FAT RATS – union leaders – who are rich and have million pound pensions and the like – representing minimum wage empoyees.

    FAT RATS

  91. 91
    One thing you can guarantee about a socialist....their hypocrisy says:

    I’m sure the BBC would have a field day against their use if they are ever brought into service unless of course the mob were storming their properties in Hampstead/Camden/Islington etc..in which case the BBC journolistas and their friends at the Guardian would be demanding that the police give no quarter to this ferile “yoof”……and criticising the police for doing nothing to protect their nice property

  92. 92
    Derek says:

    rotters

  93. 93
    Anonymous says:

    In the morning economy is in free fall at night we are having riots; what is happening to this country?

  94. 94
    Sir William Waad says:

    Indeed. Blaming the shops for selling things that these oafs find desirable is like she was saying “She was asking for it, wearing a skirt like that.”

  95. 95
    sockpuppet #4 says:

    Its a very wierd sort of morality.
    “I can do what I like because my parents will pay for it all”.

    Hardly a good lesson for life.

  96. 96
    One thing you can guarantee about a socialist....their hypocrisy says:

    The Blair Government ??

  97. 97
    Princess Po-Face Polytwaddle, a Sham-Pain SocialShitist, writer, and hand-wringer says:

    Do they have tellys in Twatenham then?

    I thought that was what all the trouble was about.

    Of course, being rich enough to be an intellectual SocialShitist, I have the finest audio and visual equipment money can buy, – oh and satellite too, – the castle is a little off the beaten track!

  98. 98
    Ed Milibandana says:

    I think…..(squeak) I think I think…..I mean, when I’m thinking (honk)…..does anyone want to know what I think?

  99. 99

    I don’t begrudge him for legitimately avoiding income tax. However, as Guido rightly points out, it is highly hypocritical of him to criticise tax avoidance when he engages in it himself.

    And this is without considering the fact that his remuneration is around about 10 times as much as the average union member’s. Solidarity, indeed. I bet his pay doesn’t get cut when the union goes on strike.

  100. 100
    Biffo the Bear says:

    Yep – here you are

  101. 101
    Major Eyeswater says:

    c’mon – you may be a useless lefty sh1tbag but just stand back a bit and ask yourself if he might just have a point….

    If you run a union for (generally) lower-paid workers, slam Vodafone et al for legally avoiding taxes and then trouser £120k pa and max out your tax allowances, as a public figure you can expect to be labelled a bit of a hypocrite.

    Is that a “smear” or just errr….. a) true b) fair?

  102. 102
    Ivan Agenda says:

    And how good looking and versatile

  103. 103
    Andy Gray says:

    Always worth a watch on the subject of unions:

  104. 104
    Bystander says:

    Swings and roundabouts?

  105. 105
    Robber Crowing says:

    Stay away from my salary, pension or perks or I will put an injunction on you.

  106. 106
    Jimmy says:

    No-one, as we are constantly reminded here, pays more tax than they have to. Advocating tax reform adverse to his own personal interest is altruism not hypocrisy. Hypocrisy would be (purely hypothetically you undertand) if a blogger with a history of tax evasion were to criticise others for legitimate tax planning.

  107. 107
    Loadsamoney says:

    Problem is that you may be not too far off the mark there Spartacus…you could actually say that the culture that caused the Banking Crash was nurtured during the 1980’s

  108. 108
    England's Head of State says:

    Fuck knows. What d’ya expect me to do about it, ya fucking goy pleb? Now, how’s my application for assistance with my heating bills going?

  109. 109
    bemused of edmington says:

    Is that an example of ‘talking human’?

  110. 110
    This is of course a largely rhetorical question says:

    What I want to know is that police say that these people are communicating by Blackberry to plan all this….now how(before you of course loot a shop to get one)the hell does someone on benefits and purportedly on the poverty line(?) afford one in the first place ???

  111. 111
    genghiz the kahn says:

    Does he use the same accountants as Deadwood Miliband to minimise his tax liabilities?

  112. 112
    Evie Lennon says:

    Sophie, are you ‘Sandra from Accounts’ by any chance? Haven’t heard from her in ages. Hope she hasn’t got the sack.

  113. 113
    Looting Scum of Westminter says:

    Jim Prentiss was definately in PC World nicking goods because I was do’in it with him like.
    I pleeed 5th amendment.

  114. 114
    Sir William Waad says:

    There was nothing quite like the Bullingdon when I was up at Cambridge but there were some pretty revolting societies like the Beefsteak Club. One has to be broadminded I suppose but they are basically letting the side down. I discard them.

  115. 115
    Maximus says:

    Have you ever tried to smoke a piano?

  116. 116
    Anonymous says:

    Looks like he’s on TV to me.

  117. 117
    Anonymous says:

    Excellent film.

    Also watch ‘Heavens above’ for a similar take on the clergy.

  118. 118
    Fat cat BBC presenter says:

    Fuck off Fawkes, we all do this at the BBC, we are champagne socialists and proud.

    It’s you fucking Tories we hate, now piss off and stop drawing attention to our loony lefty mates.

  119. 119
    Simon says:

    Satire? That made me smile

  120. 120
    Redditch Raven says:

    It would be more useful if those that beat him up and robbed him could be found, arrested,charged and imprisoned rather than Cameron visiting him in what would be described as a “photo-op”…..

    Incidentally this sort of thing is not new either for major cities or unfortunately towns either both during the day and late at night. .My sons asian/white friends are routinely beaten up and have their mobiles/possessions etc stolen on the streets of Birmingham and elsewhere in the Midlands which goes largely unreported as they know that the police have no chance of locating the thieves or if they do the courts doing much to the perpetrators.The difference is that this was captured on CCTV and got national coverage because of the riots when it would usually not even get a mention in the local paper because it’s pretty frequent. That’s what the UK has become

  121. 121
    Anonymous says:

    Did they leave any piano wire lying around? Might come in usefull later when the Justice is metted out.

  122. 122
    sockpuppet #4 says:

    well, you said they’re blaming capitalism, and not the shops.

    “Always wanting more and more stuff” is not an essential cornerstone of capitalism, but seems to be a modern disease associated with capitalism.

  123. 123
    sockpuppet #4 says:

    Loads: Its probably an “original sin” of the species.

    Others might have things to quote from great literature or the religious texts, I shall refer you to “satisfaction” by the rolling stones.

  124. 124
    A bloke of a certain age says:

    You are both a couple of cocks, I was more concerned about. The hypocricy which my post was attemting to highlight. Incidently I am well aware of the correct quotation which you should note is “The love of money is A root of evil” so perhaps you should also brush up on your scripture before coming out as a pair of smart arses. The joke kinds of gets ruined when you have to explain such trivial details to anal retentives like yourselves. Dear God give me strength.

  125. 125
    The sooner the better says:

    Tens of thousands of foreign students are right now weighing up whether to come to Britain to study after the riots and that video. The sooner we have that “photo-op” the better.

  126. 126
    Osama the Nazarene says:

    The union’s ‘salary sacrifice’ scheme.

    New-speak for hypocrisy!

  127. 127
    Anon. says:

    I thought so – everybody at the Guardian’s got Sky.

  128. 128
    Anon. says:

    That would be you, then?

  129. 129
    Jimmy Thumbsdown says:

    Of course by the time his proposed reforms kick in, he’ll be laughing into his annuities.

    Altruism? Only an idiot would think that and a useful one would say it.

  130. 130
    nell says:

    One of the attackers in this case has already been identified from cctv footage and arrested.

  131. 131
    R Supward says:

    The 100 metres men’s final in the Olympics is going to be just like a typical night in Peckham – a gunshot, followed by eight ethnics running for their lives.

  132. 132
    Ivan Agenda says:

    I am also reminded of another film of the early black and white 60’s classic on a national union strike activist who went round the country causing industrial chaos. The film starts with him boarding a train in London to go north and ends after his mayhem with him boarding a train to his next target.
    Can anyone help on its name?
    Brought it up as there must be some sort of communication system and heirachy with our current UK Institute of Looting and Pillage.

  133. 133
    Old Blue Eyes says:

    Scratch a socialist and you’ll always find a trougher underneath.

  134. 134
    Rat's arse's better half. says:

    School Workers, thats stretching it a bit.!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  135. 135
    nell says:

    Agreed .

  136. 136
    7.62mm Minigun says:

    Somebody call?

  137. 137
    Anon. says:

    That’s right, stick up for the hypocritical socialist.

  138. 138
    nell says:

    Except you really can’t class the sort of twaddle that polly writes as work!

  139. 139
    Brown Stuff says:

    Harry Enfield waved his salary. Loads-a-money, loads-a-money….

  140. 140
    Ex Tax Consultant says:

    Tax avoidance used to be about paying the lowest possible legal sum – but Gordon Brown introduced the concept of ‘fair’ amounts of tax – which basically means squeezing the rich until the pips squeak.

    Seems to me that every time the socialists rule they leave behind punitive and unfair tax legislation, introduced to extract the largest tax take as quickly as possible.

  141. 141
    Brown Stuff says:

    The Bullingdon Club still haven’t paid for the broken society

  142. 142
    Tessa Tickles says:

    Something like that. Socialists hate wealthy people so much they want to become them. They regard the rich as parasites who have gained their wealth without having to work for it. The socialist, therefore, wants to help itself to the rich person’s wealth. Thus the socialist would become a rich person who acquired its wealth without having to work for it.

    Socialism: a political philosophy for stupid people.

  143. 143
    Poland's next says:

    Poland’s public debt, but also the citizens’ has been growing like an avalanche in the most recent period. Poles’ debt increased to 500 billion zloty, but the most important is the dynamics of the increase of the debt. Due to mortgage credits the private debt of the Poles grew from 34.5 billion PLN in March 2005 to the amount of 286 billion PLN in May 2011, so within 6 years, the mortgage debt of the Poles grew by 728%. It is the dynamics of debt increase translates into the dynamics of disposalble income of households.

    For many years Poland will feel a great increase of obligations due to the increase of mortgage debt of its citizens. Every crisis and even a period of poorer market lookout will remind the Poles of the credit boom of the past 6 years. Even in the United States or Spain there has not been a similar percentage of increase of debt of the citizens resulting from mortgage credits.
    The situation is even more dramatic in Poland because more than half of the value of mortgage credits is denominated in Swiss franc. The borrowers, apart from the purchase of the house, they have taken speculative positions in foreign exchange market.

  144. 144
    Alexis Bailey, Children's Learning Mentor and Wealth Redistribution Expert, Stockwell Primary School says:

    Good morning children. Today I will be reading you a story about wealth redistribution, the destruction of the outdated established order of society, and the building of the great Socialist Utopia.

  145. 145
    Anon. says:

    Sellers and T Thomas – superb.

    ‘Incompetence does not justify dismissal – that is victimisation.’

    It would be funny if it wasn’t true now.

  146. 146
    Kne Livinstones, shagging some whore says:

    This is the Tories fault….blame Boris for this!!!!

  147. 147
    Marmite says:

    The answer is simple .. DON’T VOTE LIEBER!

  148. 148
    Brown Stuff says:

    And he had the sex-change operation on the NHS.

  149. 149
    MrAngry61 says:

    Lives in Batters e a, loots in Croydon – now that’s what I call a working holiday!

  150. 150
    MI6 says:

    Another Example of Hypocrisy. He is obviously a State Stooge, other wise he would be pointing out that the REAL reason that the World economy is in the Toilet. ITS THE WAR. We have been having one in Afghanistan for Close to 11 year. Also the Added Security Bill Just in case all that Bombing and Killing upsets someone.
    THE USA have borrowed the Worlds Spare Cash to Invade, sorry I meant HELP or Peace keep the Rest of the WORLD.
    The Capital Markets cant stand the hit anymore, did they not do their Sums or is it a ploy to attack the Global Capitalist Model. Has some one decided that we have had it too good for too long.

  151. 151
    Major Eyeswater says:

    Well quite a few of us here think that, indirectly, he and his socialist ilk did cause the riots – or at least contribute to their causes by creating the sort of society where individual responsibility and popular morality suffer steady degeneration.

    Try and list all the benefits and entitlements that your typical young rioting scrote and his chav family will have enjoyed throughout their life. Go on – try – all the bennies, handouts, tax exemptions, services, healthcare, education, housing- for one family with children. It is a long and very expensive list.

    Can you see how little we expect from citizens? At what point in their lives will any of the rioting “yoof” have had to face up to any responsibility to take part in society in order to be able to support themselves in it?

    Socialism and welfare are destroying our country. I am thoroughly sick of paying over 60% of every extra pound I earn to fund the lifestyles of people who hold our community, our values and our country in utter contempt.

    Starting from nothing, by working my tits off I become quite wealthy. I created jobs. Trained graduates. Paid taxes. But people like Prentiss have the nerve to blame me (“the rich”) for “creating an unequal society”. This inequality, apparently, is the underlying ill for which looting a bit of bling is a cry of help.

    So Mr Prentiss would have me pay more to sustain his political theory. He would probably equate my “greed” as a capitalist with a chav’s greed for his bling an ‘ting.

    Unsurprisingly I have therefore decided to avoid taxes altogether. I have done so by abandoning plans to set up a new business in London and have moved my current business overseas.

    Do you get it? A generation of socialism has worked as a solvent on all of the glue holding the country together. Mr Hoody is not the only angry chappie alienated from society. I’ve done with paying for this f**ked up farrago.

    Yes, Mr Prentiss and his socialism are indirectly responsible for the London riots.

  152. 152
    Rat's arse's better half. says:

    Prentis, what the hell does he ever do for his members. The only time he’s ever heard is when he calls for strike action.He has the answer for all ills and never does a tap of work.He’s a money grabbing b..tard who justifies his salary by every now and then calls for strike action. Make a nice change if he went on strike on no pay and see how he likes it.I am an ex Unison member and this is the only time we ever hear off the tosser.

  153. 153
    Evet says:

    Edwin sometimes does that, – and I have to nudge him to finish

  154. 154
    Anonymous says:

    There are a number of developments that might concern those worried about what the fallout from last night’s riots may be. In Birmingham, a demonstration is being organised on Facebook in protest against the death of three young Asian men in an alleged hit-and-run incident early today.

    Meanwhile the English Defence League has called on its members to contact their local organisations to find out how they can help “defend” their communities tonight.

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/blog/2011/aug/10/manchester-riots-uk-disorder-day-four-live

  155. 155
    Under the covers says:

    Smegma will do

  156. 156
    ian says:

    @ anon – hold on, thats not right at all.

    His pension if he works 40 yrs will typically be 40/60ths of his final salary – i.e 40/60 * 100k. = £66k – That will be his pensionable income.

    The Tax free lump sum in final salary schemes is usually worked out as 3/80th of final salary * yrs of service. i.e (3/80 * 40) * 100k = 150k

    However typically for every £12 of cash free cash taken the yearly pension is reduced by one pound, so if he took the full 150k, his yearly pension would be 66k – (150/12) = £53.5k

  157. 157
    A Truck Driver says:

    Caught between the spivs, corporate mafiosi and elite of the new EU order on the one hand, and get rich quick socialist politicians, troughing union barons and affluent media bleeding hearts on the other, is it any wonder the working man despairs?

  158. 158
    Ah! Monika says:

    Sky News

    Conditions for prisoners at Britain’s largest prison have been branded “demeaning”, “unsafe” and “below what could be classed as decent” by inspectors…

    I hope we don’t send any looters to Wandsworth then.

  159. 159
    powers that lie says:

    he may be only a fat cun*t, but he’s our fat cun*t

  160. 160
    A Trucker says:

    Caught between the spivs, corporate mafiosi and elite of the new EU order on the one hand, and get rich quick socialist politicians, troughing union barons and affluent media bleeding hearts on the other, is it any wonder the working man despairs?

  161. 161
    Billy Bowden is the greatest umpire ever ! says:

    Try as I might, I cannot find anyway to get tax reflef on my giro

  162. 162
    powers that lie says:

    two problems here:

    1. too longwinded
    2. too self-satisfied

  163. 163
    Billy Bowden is the greatest umpire ever ! says:

    Unions/Labour= Been screwing the working class for over a 100 years.

  164. 164
    HaHaHaPerson and 4 other Po-faced Plonkers says:

    Now on Sky News!

    Ugly

    Ugh!

  165. 165

    I imagine that Spartacus was speaking ironically.

    As for Loads, I would refer him to Hayek, Mrs Thatcher’s original inspiration. There is no way that the current state of affairs can be linked to him – it runs completely contrary to his thought.

  166. 166
    MrAngry61 says:

    OT (and behind the curve)

    I read that the morbidly obese Camila Batmanghelidjh is explaining how the alienated/dispossessed feel alienated from society, and that throwing shitloads of money at charities like the ones that she runs is cheaper than letting the towns burn.

    Grrr! Hug a hoodie? The fat c unt looks like she’s already eaten six…

  167. 167
    Marmite says:

    Harridan Harman is on Sky now, demanding action on these riots, blaming the Government for everything, promising the earth if they get re-elected, and probably gas and water in the same pipe!
    Do you know something (and this is going to sound preposterous I know), but I am beginning to think the Lieber Party had something to do with these riots. They’ve done everything in their power to fuel unrest in the country since losing the election. Anyone else got this sneaky suspicion?

  168. 168
    Old worked out man says:

    Still, – I’ve always got me beer and baccy . . . hey . . wait a mo, – where’s me beer? Where’s me baccy?

    Used to be able to afford it, and have a nice quiet smoke and a drink round the pub.

  169. 169
    tube-thumper says:

    i see the looting and vandalism has now become a white crime. The fucking morons have followed
    . chavs

  170. 170
    Hatchet Faced Socialist Hypocrite says:

    I cried when I read this.

  171. 171
    You can spot them a mile away says:

    Fat

    Big Mouth

    Ultra Tight trousery things on fat legs

    Short hair

    Stupid shoes – or boots

    Fat arse

    Something to do wiv kids – innit?

    Or some skinny boney bird, dressed like a kid, – So-shorll worka innit?

  172. 172
    tory boys never grow up says:

    Talking of hypocrisy these guys appear to be let off pretty lightly as a result of making £270m of gains from all of us as a result of their illegal activities

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-14473931

  173. 173
    Bovril says:

    Yup, – that’s about their level,

    Where’s MandleScum BTW?

  174. 174
    Anonymous says:

    OK, as I said, I’m a bit rusty, and obviously mixing up defined benefit and personal pensions!

  175. 175
    A Looter says:

    An’ call me “Sir” when yer tork ta me, – coz Oi demand respec ‘n that, innit

  176. 176
    super ken clarke the criminals friend says:

    hes a good lad really. Give him an asbo and six months suspended.

  177. 177
    For people who can't think for themselves says:

    …and tear up your union membership cards on Friday.

    I did that and gave myself an automatic 160 quid a year pay rise.

  178. 178
    tory boys never grow up says:

    Perhaps one reason for the increase in Poland’s mortgage debt is that mortgages were not that common in the past for obvious reasons. The relevant measure is how the level of personal sector debt relates to disposable income and hence whether such debt can be serviced. Perhaps you should produce the relevant figures before starting your scaremongering. You’re not a hedgiw shorting Polish debt and equities by any chance??

  179. 179
    Helena Handcart says:

    Is your surname Krankie?

  180. 180
    Anonymous says:

    I name this blip “The Bling riots”. May sod blast her, and all who Sale enflare.

  181. 181
    tory boys never grow up says:

    Don’t worry the Tories have been doing it for even longer.

  182. 182
    albacore says:

    Erm, could that train of thought lead to the suspicion that the Lib/Lab/Cons might just all be in it together, one gang indivisible ?
    I jest, of course. How could anybody take our Parliament seriously?

  183. 183
    For people who can't think for themselves says:

    PtL – troof ‘urts dunnit?

  184. 184
    Raving Loon says:

    This is small beans. What about sideways loss relief or business property relief? There’s really money in that!

  185. 185
    Helpful says:

    The tax saving is rather more than 60%; by using “salary sacrifce” the charge to employer’s and employee’s NIC is also reduced because the salary is sacrificed rather than a personal contribution being made.

    Normally you wouldn’t use salary sacrifice to fund extra contributions to a final salary because you buy a percentage of your pensionable salary: salary sacrifice reduces that pensionable salary. There is more to this than meets the eye and it may be that what has happened will be of interest to the HMRC.

  186. 186
    Rumpy Pumpy says:

    Don’t worry, the EU has now taken steps to ensure that the British taxpayer pays Polish child benefit. This will go some way to alleviating the situation.

  187. 187
    Helena Handcart says:

    Ed Balls has been suspiciously silent for some time.

  188. 188
    MrAngry61 says:

    Actually Camila B looks like about 8 weeks washing crammed into a colourful 80s duvet cover…

  189. 189
    For people who can't think for themselves says:

    How indeed do they get them. i undestand that it is a very regrettable fact of life that Blackberries have an inbuilt fault – falling off the back of lorries.

  190. 190
    For people who can't think for themselves says:

    Modulated – wot did I say?

  191. 191
    Drop a daisy cutter on the BBC says:

    I thought Red Ken was a shirt lifter?

  192. 192
    Gooey Blob says:

    Bling riots. How sad some people are.

  193. 193
    Terrible But True says:

    Just how much does a market rate talent have to be on these days to make sure these ‘interviews’ don’t turn into opportunities to spout utter BS unchallenged?

    Maybe we need BBC ‘Regret the Error’ 24/7, with a small segment on Saturday at 6am where they actually put out news that may have some bearing on accuracy?

    QT tomorrow is going to be a hoot.

    ‘Now David… any sign things are heading off narrative, no glancing to 80% of the panel to take your lead, shut down the dozy Tory or stroppy audience member who snuck past the filter asap’.

  194. 194
    lowers that pie says:

    @ powers that lie

    two problems here:

    1. too short an attention span to read and comprehend a literate and to-the-point post
    2. too jealous and resentful of anyone who doesn’t expect the “guvmen” to house, clothe, feed and care for them and their families the whole of their sorry lives

  195. 195
    For people who can't think for themselves says:

    If you go back a thread or two, you will see that she has moved to No 10 Downing Street.

  196. 196
    Major Eyeswater says:

    ptl

    1. Yes, brevity is the soul of wit. However some arguments (“socialism worsens the problems it seeks to fix”) go beyond a single paragraph.
    2. Self-satisfied? I’m f**king furious you tosser!

  197. 197
    Alex says:

    @powers that lie.

    Hilarious – your only response is that he’s too self satisifed and too long winded. Obviously you think everyone should make the minimum of effort in life and have problems reading text that consists of more than a single paragraph.

    Labour’s education system in action methinks.

  198. 198
    Splatt says:

    He was in Kiev last weekend spouting on about how wonderful it is going to be that the Ukraine is going to waste billions dollars it doesn’t have on a football tournament. He got a real earful from a South African tottybird.

  199. 199
    Ex Tax Consultant says:

    Don’t forget the Pension Annual Allowance Charge and Pension Special Allowance Charge – Gordon’s parting kicks in the teeth to the pension industry (and large contributors) – they restrict/cancel tax relief above either £20K or £30K, depending on contribution profile.

    Another punitive & unfair tax introduced in the name of ‘equality’…

  200. 200
    inside-out says:

    NUT member?

  201. 201
    David Lewis says:

    You can’t do that. Brown blocked all salary sacrifice use to get around the rules where the limit has been reached. This whole story is therefore nuts and wrong.

  202. 202
    David Lewis says:

    When you are at the limit you can’t use salary sacrifice to get around it since that attracts punitive taxation.

  203. 203
    Old Blue Eyes says:

    Here is the oft quoted definition of a socialist.

    What is a Socialist? One who hath yearnings
    For equal division of unequal earnings.
    Idler or bungler, or both, he is willing
    To fork out his penny and pocket your shilling.”

  204. 204
    Ivan Agenda says:

    You should also mention that the value of the PLN to $ and £ has also increased considerably in those years.

  205. 205
    Pat Ex says:

    What about a new law, union leadership can only “earn” a maximum of 150% of the average wage of the membership.

  206. 206
    Anon says:

    It’s killing the Goose that lays the Golden Egg ….. or driving it to emigration

  207. 207
    Jethro says:

    124 they’re obviously also unable to perceive Irony/Black Humour (Whoops! There I go again!)

  208. 208
    Jethro says:

    ‘Polly, put the twaddle on,
    Polly, put the twaddle on;
    Polly, put the twaddle on,
    Let’s all have some p.’
    [With Apologies…]

  209. 209
    Not quite the greatest batsman ever says:

    First person up in court today, apparently, was a teacher. Accused of looting in Croydon. Oh, the irony of ‘disaffected, disadvantaged’ youth being taught by such as her. No doubt a NUT case?

  210. 210
    David Lewis says:

    If there is a salary sacrifice involved anyway, it is cl;early not a final salary scheme.

  211. 211
    Boots McGonagle says:

    Don’t strike.

  212. 212
    ian says:

    thats assuming he is at the limit, he may not be. Also you can put in even above the limit you just dont get the tax relief, however it would still be deducted from his income when calculating the personal allowance.

    The band between 100-112k is taxed at 60% because of loss of personal allowance where as he would lose relief on pensions at 40%, i.e he is still better off.

  213. 213
    Anonymous says:

    Sorry – did you just say ‘go back to Africa’?

  214. 214
    Giles Farmer says:

    Bullingdon Club=Mindless Vandalism for kicks=no prosecutions! Hypocrites!!!
    Looting by poor young people demonised by the Tory Press=vandalism for property=criminal records.


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