August 5th, 2011

Guido Debates MP Over E-Petitions


276 Comments

  1. 1
    Tony M says:

    First?

    More importantly, when will Hune be charged?

    • 18
      Selohesra says:

      Whose the tubby one on the left with the Ed Miliband white blob in his hair?

      • 27
        Anonymous says:

        It’s a ‘before’ and ‘after’ hard drugs warning, isn’t it?

        • 67
          Where is "boy" George? Still hiding? says:

          09.45 As reported last night, French president Nicolas Sarkozy is due to hold emergency talks with German chancellor Angela Merkel over the telephone today. More from Brussels correspondent Bruno Waterfield:
          The German Chancellor is due to take the call while on on a mountain walking holiday in the south Tyrol.

          http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/financialcrisis/8680820/Debt-crisis-live.html

          • Where is "boy" George? Still hiding? says:

            Where is Cameron, George and Nick? Even Gadalfi is in TV, while our once are hiding.

          • Admiral Leach says:

            Sounds like more cash we don’t have being chucked at the problem. The trouble is no politician in Europe (or US) can actually tell the truth about what needs doing. Simply put its the end of the state services on the scale that everyone has got addicted to. Education, Health, Social Welfare, Local Government are all going to have to be reduced on a significant scale (30-40%) to make the savings needed. There then needs to be radical restructuring of taxation both personal and corprate that is fair and tranparent for all. Only but making work pay and ensuring you keep the bulk of what you actually earn will growth return.

            I know of several companies who now act only as tax collectors for the Vat man, the 20% he gets is more than twice the gross profit they make, all of them will cease trading in the next few weeks its simply not worth running the business.

          • Rage Against the Political Elite says:

            No they cant tell the truth. When people start losing their homes due to higher interest rates. BECAUSE and I will say it again our Sovereign DEPT is so high that it is becoming unsustainable like the USA and that is why the economy is faultering. NOT THE BANKS BUT THE GOVERNMENT DEPT!!!! Caused by a bunch of knackers getting stuck in a WAR with NO END. I wouldn’t mind but RUSSIA did the exact same thing. WE HAVE A BUNCH OF ECONOMIC TERRORIST RUNNING WHITEHALL,

          • Anon. says:

            Sarkozy is on holiday and Merkel is on holiday. And we are NOT in the eurozone. So calm down and stop trying to whip up a panic. Do you work for the BBC?

          • Yeah, right says:

            Why this clamour for politicians to disturb their holidays?

            1. There is nothing the UK chancellor can do or say which could possibly impact on the lack of trust surrounding the Eurozone economies.

            2. Havent politicians done enough damage already? Aren’t they best out of the way?

        • 96
          Rage Against the Political Elite says:

          GREAT FOR E PETITIONS, ANTI HANGING VOTERS OUT NUMBER THE FUNDAMENTALIST MULLAH’S, SHARIA LAW KNACKERS, AND SALLY CLARKE WOULD BE KILLERS BY 3 TO 1.
          YOU DONT MENTION THAT TODAY EH?

        • 165
          good lord says:

          Rage,
          It’s D E B T

        • 205
          M says:

          What’s the characters name in the X men films with the grey stripe in the hair?

        • 223
          HappyUK says:

          Or a ‘before’ and ‘after’ marriage warning.

        • 250
          General Sir Philip Michael Hunt says:

          I think its an after and after warning.

      • 32
        Billy Bowden's Bum Boy says:

        Unbelievable! They’re going on air, publicly saying that they don’t give a toss about the will of the people! Some democracy we live in!

        • 37
          Clapham Commoner says:

          Never mind democracy: does Father Abraham know that Paul Flynn is missing?

        • 106
          misterned says:

          That is a labour MP for you.

          • David Laws Lib Dem fiddler says:

            Guido, you are spot on. This clip shows how MPs do not care about public opinion once in office and will say anything and lie (MC Clegg) to get there.

            Today we learn from the The Sun that David Laws will be back in the cabinet by Sept or October. This thief stole £56,000 and repaid it thinking this mitigates his criminal act, if he did not steal the money why pay it back?? What about false accounting?? Shop lifters steal far less and get greater punishments. Soft on Crime Clarke’s justice should equally apply to shop lifters. Irrespective of sentence Laws would be out after four weeks like the other MPs.

            If Laws goes back in cabinet I think it shows complete disregard for the law, morals and values CaMoron and McClegg have. He should be prosecuted and jailed.

            How on earth HE or anyone else thinks he upholds the values to hold public office is beyond me let alone high public office. CaMoron is reported as saying they need David back in office. Tories will never receive my vote ever again if this happens.

            Wipe Lie Dumbs off the map.

            It is also reported today how Maggie refused to sanction torture while Blair did and Milipede senior knew exactly what happened despite his claims to the contrary.

            UKIP for me.

          • It will be ok in the morning right? says:

            He repiad it?

            I remember Hazel Blears waving a cheque about saying she was going to pay it to HMRC, dont know what bhappened….

          • Rog says:

            Well, as the Labour MP said:

            “If you want to leave the EU, vote UKIP”.

            I suggest we all take his advice at the next election!

        • 264
          Bleeding heart says:

          Nonsense. Our democratic system means you get to vote for a government every 4 years, not take a referendum on every policy that comes along. See how effectively the country would function with a weekly referendum on the issues of the day.

    • 31
      Anonymous says:

      Looking like 2 pies Prescott!

      • 41
        Anonymous says:

        Rural France is a bit built up. Looks like London?

        • 73
          I meet a socailist once and the cunt nicked my wallet. says:

          Blue screen back drop. Do you really think that that arrogant sheep shagger is hard at work outside Big Ben when he should be on his summer hols?

      • 258
        Porker Scratching says:

        Too many pies Guido!!!

        • 260
          David Laws Lib Dem fiddler says:

          The fact is, Flyn knows like the rest of us, that he is talking absolute bollocks. They are told what to vote under the whip system. So this crap about having to think for yourself as an MP is total shite. I would urge his constituents to vote the twat out ASAP. Greedy self serving arrogant twat.

          • The wizz says:

            He sounds like a Jockinesse and we all know what happens when they get into office. I agree about not having to think as all the decisions are made at the top of the pile. He needs some therapy to come out of his ivory tower and listen to the concerns of people he supposedly represents. Never trust a politico!

    • 39
      Practice makes perfect. says:

      You are getting better at this TV stuff Guido. A vast improvement on your early days. I reckon you just about won that one.

      • 53
        misterned says:

        It would be very difficult to lose one against an arrogant labour MP who boasts that he voted in Parliament against his own party’s manifesto and proudly claims that he knows better than those who elected him and admits to not giving a toss what his electorate think.

        I think that Guido let him off very lightly on that one.

        • 70
          Afghanistan Banana Stand says:

          Flynn is my MP.

          Good on you for sticking it to him Guido.
          I’d like to have seen a bit more of a bloody nose on the arrogant tosser, but there’s always next time…

        • 146
          Tom Baldwin's Liebour Ajax supplier says:

          I think the people of newport might just be voting out that arrogant libeour twat next time round!

          No wonder they fucking bankrupted us with that attitude!

        • 161
          jingouk says:

          It was Mandelson with a beard.

          • Genealogy is my strongpoint says:

            No, apparently they are related. Just goes to show what happens if you go up a no-entry.

      • 58
        Equity says:

        Just need to stop him glancing to the right and he’s the complete article.

        Wouldn’t suprise me if the Beeb and C4 get their newsdesk girls to open their legs at any right wing politico just to make them look shifty on camera.

      • 75
        Clifton Fields says:

        Left the rugby shirt at home then?

    • 120
      Taxfodder says:

      Absolutely, plod awaiting their instructions from their establishment masters no doubt.

      Most MP’s could not lead a dog to a bone.

      ..oh no I don’t need leading, most of them are not fit for leadership (George Brown and Cameron in particular) I need MP’s to honestly represent the majority wishes, for better or worse! and to honour the promises that saw them elected.

      If they can manage that, then just maybe we may see somebody emerge who is worth following.

    • 162
      M says:

      Politicians will serve themselves the if its necessary do their job . Brown , obarma , & all of the european union bribe voters with an unsustainable economic to sustain their position . And quietly hoping they’ll be gone before it goes tits up
      That’s why we should be cynical of polticians leading us
      Hope this is not a surprise to anyone ?

    • 197
      LJH says:

      Priorities! Politicians are capable of far more damage to society at large than the average mass murderer, moreover their crimes are committed in public view so there can be no doubt about guilt. Bring back hanging for treason, and charge Brown for our economic calamity, Blair for all his warmongering lies, the worst parliamentary troughfeeders for defrauding the public purse, plus the commissioners of failed NHS patient register, IT project to get reluctant fathers to pay maintenance, various Mod projects. Once dead there is no danger of reoffending and their examples should concentrate the minds of survivors, living off the public purse, reminding them that they are our servants not masters.

    • 256
      Anonymous says:

      Well this just proves what arrogant self opinionated twats these main party poloticians are so I like many others will avoid these fucking liars and will only vote BNP in future

      Fuck em if they ignore us the arrogant Hunts

  2. 2
    Second ? says:

    Where’s Billy ?

  3. 3
    Righty Right Wing (Mrs) says:

    The LAB / LIB / CON Party are mere administrators of an EU Region.

    They have no power.

    Westminster is basically a rubber stamping Duma that allows in tourists.

    Vote UKIP

    • 5
      Sophie says:

      + 1

      And Blue Labour out.

    • 15
      Grumpy Old Man says:

      If voting UKIP is the solution, you’ve asked the wrong question.

      • 84
        misterned says:

        Sadly the current mob in power leave us no choice. I am as willing as anyone to try to get through their thick skulls how important it is to give the people a binding referendum on EU membership, but when all three main parties utterly give up on even attempting to get the power from the EU to be able to begin to tackle our problems in this country, what choice (within the law) do we realistically have?

        IF voting UKIP is not the solution, then the only question becomes, how do we adapt, or learn to accept having our country destroyed to benefit a foreign elite?

        That is NOT a question that I want to even consider. It is abject surrender of all the values, beliefs and principles our parents, grandparents and those who fought and died for freedom believed in.

        So far, the only solution is voting UKIP. There is NO DIFFERENCE at all in practice between labour, the tories and liberals on the EU.

      • 108
        Sophie says:

        Voting for a cure, no matter how remote, is better than continually voting for different variants of the same disease.

    • 43
      Admiral Leach says:

      Saw this last night on the telly Guido arguing this grey bearded loon called Paul Flynn who was saying no matter what the electorate say he knows best. So if we did (ever) get a referendum on EU membership and it went the way he and his elite didn’t like he’d just ignore it! So I guess our betters will do the same on the issue of capital punishment! This chap Flynn seems to have been absent on most the votes calling for greater transparency in Parliament so this makes sense

      This lot really don’t get it, there has been a sea change (trust me I’m Admiral) in the way politics works, the collapse of political elite’s competency (never great), and the ending of top down news/communications media is changing the way politics works, we’re only seeing the start of this, but the shower in Parliament and their hangers on want business as usual.

      This is reason why all three parties have backed out of a EU membership referendum they know they would lose it then would have to reveal their blatant contempt for the views of the majority.

    • 81
      Sir William Waad says:

      My gran wanted to join UKIP but they said she was too young.

      • 114
        Righty Right Wing (Mrs) says:

        Isn’t it time for you to go & toss yourself off over an airbrushed Cameron picture?

    • 176
      Johnny says says:

      They do have power – they hoovered up local government and local accountability to Westminster to replace the authority they handed to Brussels. Local government is no longer accountable to local voters (and often not even accountable to local councillors any more) as they follow orders from Westminster and national government is no longer accountable to national voters as they follow orders from Brussels.

  4. 4
    I meet a socailist once and the cunt nicked my wallet. says:

    Pettitons= Good

    Death pen=Bad

    overall winner = Democrcey

    • 29
      Ivor Tapeworm says:

      overlal loser = speling

    • 33
      Anonymous says:

      naive fool = you

      • 51
        Grauniad says:

        Tawt

      • 262
        Drew Pecock says:

        The issues as to wether or not we bring back hanging or leave the EU are irrelevant. what is important is DEMOCRACY and these arseholes should be made to realise that they work for US and represent OUR Opinions. I dont care what the results of a referendum is on these issues but I demand that the electorate have a say and the majority decision is carried out. We need a massive revolution in Britain and these arseholes in the HOC should be told what to do by US the people of Britain. Who the fuck do they think they are?

    • 194
      Sarah says:

      “Death Pen”?

      Is that from the new Parker Jihad range?

      UKIP for me – Conservatives are not what they used to be – in fact they are just Labour in nicer suits.

    • 207
      Jim Miller says:

      Petition to keep the ban on capital punishment just hit 10,000. Democracy = good & also not always what we expected!

    • 213
      M says:

      String um up and if they don’t like string um up again
      P.S. If we string up the wrong one do we string ourselves up or can we blame the jury & string them up , that’s it yes .

  5. 6
    I meet a socailist once and the cunt nicked my wallet. says:

    How are the two petitions doing?

    Last time we was updated the one keeping the ban on death pen was winning?

    • 18
      Grumpy Old Man says:

      There seem to be 2 separate pro-deathpenalty petitions, guido’s and someone elses. An hour ago, Guido’s was appraoching the 5,000 mark.

      • 35
        I meet a socailist once and the cunt nicked my wallet. says:

        Thanks G.O.M and Non-believer.

      • 90
        misterned says:

        When I looked yesterday (just before the site crashed) there was already 10 pro death penalty petitions.

        • 119
          Bemused of Suffolk says:

          Maybe that’s how the government can frig any petition they don’t like – they just open more duplicate petitions. The votes are dissipated and no single petition gets the 100,000 votes needed for a Commons debate.

    • 24
      non believer says:

      Petition to retain the ban on Capital Punishment 8,428

      Petition to Restore Capital Punishment 4,715

      btw is Guido aware there’s some seedy looking, gin blossm nosed, bloated, acne scarred, boss eyed weirdo with a weird skunk like flash of white hair pretending to be him on Channel 4?

      Surely they know Guido is a rakish looking fellow with the dashing moustache and rather fetching hat and that they’re fooling no one?

      • 93
        misterned says:

        Whilst I agree with bringing back the death penalty, I think the whole campaign for it is a damaging distraction. I have not signed any petition on the death penalty for that reason.

        We should pool our resources and do everything we can to get a binding referendum on the membership of the EU.

      • 156
        Anon. says:

        Sarcasm is the last refuge of a coward.

        • 244
          Hava Nagila says:

          “last refuge of a coward” says the man who posts anonymously.

          Explain to me, because I’m really fascinated, how sarcasm equates to cowardice.

          And, once you’ve done that, you can give back the extra chromosome and scamper back to the home for Special Children.

          • Anon. says:

            Sarcasm equates to cowardice? Who said that? I merely notice that a person who chooses to come here and make cheap insulting remarks about the blogger”s personal appearance doesn’t have the cojones to say who they are.

            By the way, the Special Children are much nicer and have more intelligence than him as well.

    • 72
      Airey Belvoir says:

      This is how they will put the fix in: you will see lots of pro-death penalty petitions on the site, all worded slightly differently, put on by different people. But you will only see one anti-death penalty petition. It’s simple ‘divide and rule’ tactics – as they won’t add together the pro votes, the antis will seem to win on numbers. Devious, but what do you expect from the political class?

      • 101
        Anonymous says:

        Or maybe pro-death penalty types are just too dim to focus on one petition?

      • 107
        non believer says:

        Pretty sure the culprit there is not the political class but more likely the Sun/ Daily Mail reading morons who created that many multiple petitions.

        Are you saying the pro death penalty supporters are too moronic to vote in the correct poll and can’t grasp the concept of fragmented votes?

        Or that they’re not capable of voting in more than one petition?

      • 129
        Me says:

        I bet Labour voters don’t know how ‘Belvoir’ is pronounced. Pity.

      • 219
        Anonymous says:

        Actually, at a cursory glance, there are at least seven “anti” petitions going at the moment (if you include the nicely paradoxical “Public hanging for those who propose public hanging”). The “antis” could do with getting their act together too.

  6. 7
  7. 8
    Don Knobsworthy says:

    E-petitions, like blogs, serve no purpose other than allowing the punters to get things off their chests.
    In the absence of any particular gripe, they are a great excuse to make up a silly name.

  8. 9
    Billy Blofeld says:

    MP’s: Let them eat cake

  9. 11
    Jess The Dog says:

    Dammit, where’s my comment gone? Wasn’t even offensive, just true. That’s a Labour type of trick.

    http://epetitions.direct.gov.uk/petitions?order=desc&sort=count&state=open

  10. 11
    see below says:

    Bugger off you fat fucker and get a proper job.

  11. 13
    Part of the majority view on the death penalty says:

    So your ‘issue’ has been trounced so far on the e-petitions? You’re hardly in tune with public opinion! Idiot.

    • 154
      Cat says:

      This blog is normally the hangout of persons versed in the art of debate – either side welcome.

      You, however, lack any verbal skill whatsoever. Please fu@k of back to the Grauniad comment pages.

      • 187
        cunt says:

        quality debate, telling people to fuck off

        better idea, why don’t you fuck off?

      • 190
        Part of the majority view on the death penalty says:

        Comments 10, 14, 16, 19, 20, 24, 27 and 42 (to name but a few) really serve your argument well Cat /sarcasm

        Guido is a fu@kwit who is making spurious claims on behalf of a fictional majority he purports to represent. His blog is the usual hangout of none but like-minded fu@kwits. I’m confident the quality of its readers and commenters has risen markedly yesterday/today, even if the quality of the comments made hasn’t.

        An idiot who goes on the airwaves lying about the popularity of his cause doesn’t deserve an intelligent response.

        • 206
          Cat says:

          An idiot lying on the airwaves covers every politician known to man. Furthermore, many of your purported ‘like-minded fu@kwits’ vociferously disagreed with Guido’s penchant for the death penalty and voiced their opinions, for the most part, with intelligent debate. It’s only the trolls playing ad hominem, because they don’t approve of the blog’s usual views.

        • 211
          Sir William Waad says:

          “The object in life is not to be on the side of the majority, but to escape finding oneself in the ranks of the insane.” (Marcus Aurelius)

  12. 14
    Politicians are CUNTS says:

    Paul Flynn like all the rest of the self-seeking, corrupt MPs is a fucking arrogant liar . Here he is making himself the judge and jury as to what the people want. It is a totally erroneous idea. My local constituent party – tory- is just as arrogant. They, the staff not just the MP believe that they have the way forward for the human race and anyone who dissents from this is an abuse to humankind. They are fucking out of order

    war and bloody revolution now

  13. 16
    Grey Matter says:

    Why has Guido got the same grey speck in his hair that Ed Milimong has?

    • 17
      I meet a socailist once and the cunt nicked my wallet. says:

      They share the same pigeon.

    • 38
      anonymousse says:

      They share the same delusions of grandeur.

    • 110
      Afghanistan Banana Stand says:

      If memory serves there was, in 79/80, a Granada TV series called The Mallens about a 19th Century family with a genetic white streak in their hair.

      The head of the family fathered many illegitimates who all inherited the same white…. oh.

    • 132
      SaltPetre says:

      His mouth also curls in opposite directions at each corner….like a letter ‘S’ lying down for a stretch.

    • 201
      The Beast says:

      It is how I mark my own. Soon you will all bend to my will!!!

  14. 20
    Drum says:

    Restore Capital Punishment 4762 signatures. Retain ban 8510 signatures. Oops.

    • 64
      Bill d'Sarse says:

      Restore capital punishment is currently the subject of 41 different petitions with a total of 7891 signatures. If the restoration of the death penalty needs to aquire the minimum number of signatures for it to be debated, someone needs to organise it properly. Perhaps that was the idea all along.

      BDS (not in favour of capital punishment).

      • 91
        Anonymous says:

        Strange, because one of the T+C’s on publication is:

        “do not substantially duplicate an existing open e-petition”

        So why all the virtually duplicate pro-CP petitions?

      • 144
        non believer says:

        Yes Bill and I’m sure none of the pro death supporters voted in more than one petition.

        Lets count them all as individuals who only voted once.

        getting desperate are we?

  15. 21
    It'sAlreadyTooLate says:

    You missed a bit of grey with the Grecian 2000 Guido.

  16. 22
    Bloody Annoyed (essex) says:

    Who is Paul Flynn to say that certain public beliefs/ opinions are wrong?

  17. 23
    Spalpeen Extravaganza says:

    At first glance, I thought Jonny Depp and Leonardo DiCaprio were debating

  18. 26
    Anonymous says:

    Guido’s petition – 4784
    Retention of ban petition – 8532

    Will you admit that you were wrong about the desire for the return of capital punishment, loser?

    • 189
      Bill Frindall MBE says:

      Christ, it’s Jim Laker, back from the dead. You don’t have to tell us the score every time someone gets another run.

    • 193
      Adenuf says:

      The major pointb here is that if life were to mean life for murder then there would not be such stregnth of feeling on bringing back the DP, just because there is currently a semi competition on the web over this.

      The vast majority of law abiding citizens in the UK are in complete despair over this mess the justice system is in.

      I’m not geeting to revved up about the possiblity of the DP being restored, I’d gladly settle for sentences meaning what they say………. Life means Life

      • 218
        Anonymous says:

        “there would not be such stregnth of feeling on bringing back the DP, ”

        Clearly there isn’t as the keep the ban petition is running away with it.

  19. 28
    Rex says:

    That was a good description of a dictatorship by Paul Flynn.

    Arn’t we supposed to be a democracy?

  20. 30
    I meet a socailist once and the cunt nicked my wallet. says:

    Guido

    You have made some basic errors in your campiagn, you valued lives of children and cops above all others in socitey, You never adressed the problem of corruption in the police,media,politicons.

    And you confused Justice with the thirst for blood.

    • 40
      genghiz the kahn says:

      Which of the Westminster politicians should be strung up on Parliament Square?

      Brown, Kennedy, Blair, Cameron, Clarke, Darling, Balls, Hoon, Huhne, Ashdown…

      Who voted for the removal of the death penalty for treason?

  21. 34
    Anonymous says:

    It’s ‘Debates WITH’. Please stop using this vile American import of ‘debating someone’.

    • 55
      One of the chaps.. says:

      Yes, we step up to the crease…Things happen..whilst we are on duty…we look into things rather than check them out….sorry guys etc etc.

    • 227
      Steve Jobs says:

      Debating with someone seems to be the preferred usage so …. is debating someone a BBCism?

  22. 36
    pissed off voter says:

    that clip perfectly illustrates the arrogance and hypocrisy of the political class.

  23. 42
    William says:

    Paul it is sadly inevitable that you have become the very thing you say you despise – a power hungry ego-driven populist politician (in the broader sense of the word).

  24. 45
    Hard-Lazing Voter says:

    May I propose a compromise, gentlemen?

    E-petition to have Chris Huhne arrested.

  25. 46
    I don't need no doctor says:

    Paul Flynn, typical lying politician.
    I’m not sure if the death penalty should be introduced, but what I am certain about is that the will of the people is not listened to, and acted upon by politicians.

  26. 47
    Crikey says:

    Flynn seems to be saying that voters should know that our manifestoes are just to get their vote and that they shouldn’t hold us to account by them?? Incredible.

  27. 48
    It started in America says:

    As the turmoil in the world markets intensifies there is a growing state of panic at the BBC who aided and abetted by Lord Prescott and other “senior” Labour figures call for Cameron and Osbourne to return immediately from holidays to manage the “Economic Crisis” which of course by that very action will sustain and increase said “panic”….For gawd’s sake next they’ll be urging that there is only one man who can restore the global confidence and steady the markets as he did(?) in 2007/8…the man who remains sequestered at his house in Kirkcaldy awaiting the nation’s call to return to the leadership of his country…..Gordon Brown…..the Saviour of the World’s Banking System!!!

    • 102
      misterned says:

      Considering the current “crash” is far far far smaller than the two long crashes under labour, when the value of the FTSE almost halved each time, The BBC are playing this one up for all they are worth.

      They omit that this crash was caused by Barroso foolishly sending a letter to the heads of all EU countries saying that the markets are not convinced by the EU’s efforts to tackle debt and therefore the markets will crash. Now they have.

      Barroso should be fired, we need to get out of the EU and the BBC needs to be broken up and turned into a voluntary subscription only service.

      • 140
        genghiz the kahn says:

        Is the BBC still taking gold from Brussels?

        • 180
          Sarah says:

          Secret soft loans.

          We are not allowed to know why the BBC takes these loans, what they are for or what the repayment terms are.

          All I know is that I never hear one satroy on the BBC that shows the EU or its leaders in a poor light.

          Worrying all this Soviet era stuff happening in the free West.

      • 166
        Anon. says:

        Spot on. Merkel and Sarkozy are on holiday, but the BBC don’t broadcast that, do they? Anything to smear Cameron et al. It’s so blatant. But they obviously know no-one is going to stop them. Their arrogance is breathtaking.

  28. 49
    A Labour Politician says:

    Basically we feel the public’s opinion about anything is not worth mentioning, we, the socialist elite know better than you what you want.

    It would be far better if we stopped having general elections so that we socialists can get on with the job of ruling you. In fact, next time we get in, we’ll do just that. Our wives, husbands and children will carry on the dynasty, just like those we admire in Cuba and North Korea.

    That is all!

  29. 50
    Hava Nagila says:

    Who’s the fat cross-eyed hoon with the skunk hairdo?

    It’s Guido! It’s Guido!

  30. 52
    Anonymous says:

    What a supercilious wanker Paul Flynn is. He typifies the arrogance of MPs to think they know better than anyone else what a tosser

  31. 54
    I don't need no doctor says:

    What is amazing is that the BBC has modest coverage over the financial markets falling / Eurozone in disarray / USA employment figures / global uncertainty.
    Yet the BBC had mass hysteria, 24/7 coverage of the News of the World phone hacking scandal.
    Just how biased against Murdoch is the BBC.
    The Daily Mirror / Piers Morgan issue is hardly mentioned too.

  32. 56
    Mr. Josiah Bounderby of Coketown says:

    I for one think it’s very brave of the one on the left without the beard to stand so firmly against Progress and well educated people. Progress? What did Progress ever do for us? And as for the well educated? Charlatans all, obviously. Bring back polio and rickets and more mob rule…

    • 63
      Hava Nagila says:

      I think it’s brave of you to stand up for the idea that the proles must be governed by their betters and that the opinions of the proles cannot be trusted on any topic whatsoever.

      Remembers: democracy doesn’t mean the empowerment of the people; it means party delegates telling the scum what to do and using the full violence of the state to smack down anyone who dissents.

      It also means lying repeatedly to the public.

    • 69
      Ol' Blue Eyes says:

      “Progress” is a situation where Millie Dowler’s killer can get tens of thousands of pounds compensation because another inmate beat him up for being a paedo child murderer? Yeah, great, thanks for that. And for Shoesmith’s compensation, and for failing to deport people who come to this country and commit murders and rapes. This “progress” stuff is certainly a fucking boon to us all.

    • 169
      Anon. says:

      Keep taking the medication.

    • 203
      Slackbridge says:

      …..and communism.

  33. 57
    I don't need no doctor says:

    Two comments being moderated 10:16 and 10:21. It seems most of my comments are now moderated – WHY?

  34. 59
    I meet a socailist once and the cunt nicked my wallet. says:

    Why the fuck is RBS holding Greek debt? They won’t lend money to UK companies but are happy to bail out a basket case economy.

    • 79
      Gordon Brown says:

      It’s the right thing to do.

    • 83
      Anonymous says:

      They are holding greek debt because the purchased a rubbish Greek bank which had the debt.

      Just wait till Spain goes under more bad news for the RBS with it’s past dealings with banks over there.

    • 88
      Sir William Waad says:

      They assume that Greece will not be allowed to default and that, in the last resort, the debt will be repaid by German taxpayers. Cynical, but realistic.

      • 158
        That would be a very brave and courageous decision "Frau Kanzler" says:

        Mmm…I’m not so sure that the German Taxpayer will stand for much more bail out particularly when they are being asked to pay more in taxes and defer their retirment by 3 years to 68 so that their Greek conyterparts can retire at 55 on full pension…..

    • 115
      Robin Git says:

      They state they “inherited” the debt when taking over ABN Amro on this morning’s propaganda speech by the CEO.
      No mention of their fine for corrupt selling or their exposure to Italy, Spain and even Belgium for future excuses.
      The sniggering schoolboy Evan Davies did not ask one difficult question such as why they did not write of some of the Greek debt in last year’s accounts.
      CEO blamed international governments and not the banks. They must all think we are so stupid that we believe their lame excuses and biased explanations.

  35. 61
    Cromwell says:

    Paul Flynn has just confirmed what most of us suspected. We, the electorate’s views do not count. What an arrogant arsehole!
    Blue Labour, Red Tories, I won’t mention the vote splitting Libs.
    For God sake give me a party with principled beliefs.

  36. 68
    davidc says:

    watching the interview i quickly realised that paul flynn mp obviously believes that we ‘should not worry our little heads about these grown up matters, nanny knows best’

  37. 74
    Anonymous says:

    Well, Guido came out of that particularly badly.

  38. 76
    I meet a socailist once and the cunt nicked my wallet. says:

    Money for old rope on the markets this morning. Lloyds 31p to buy on the open now over 34p to sell. An instant 10% profit. At current interest rates it would take you a decade to return the same on deposit.

  39. 77
    Annon says:

    Pigs in blankets.. pigs shall not sleep in beds ! what is Elf-ism?

  40. 78
    I meet a socailist once and the cunt nicked my wallet. says:

    Both look like they have piles.

  41. 80
    Bertie Wooster says:

    Why is “public opinion wrong” you beardy twat, its opinion.

    Why are you right and the public wrong?

    Typical smug tosspot who wouldnt last five minutes in the private sector.

    • 118
      non believer says:

      not defending the lefty twat but public opinion does not automatically equal right

      public opinion used to support slavery, deporting 10 year olds to Australia for stealing an apple and denying women the vote

      • 125
        Tax Payer says:

        Public opinion didn’t organise slave auctions or man slave ships.

        Public opinion didn’t sentence children to transportation.

        The ‘we know better than you do’ politicians of the day allowed all that.

        • 221
          Anonymous says:

          “politicians of the day allowed all that”

          Following public opinion.

          You can’t dismiss the bits about public opinion you don’t like.

      • 126
        Bemused of Suffolk says:

        One of my ancestors, aged 16 and possibly the family breadwinner, was deported to Australia for stealing a handkerchief from someone’s pocket, in Charing Cross Road.

        They never found the person who owned the handkerchief, my ancestor was simply spotted stealing it.

        Mind you, he was probably a chav bastard and deserved it.

        • 164
          Who says crime doesn't pay ?? says:

          A distant relation of my wife’s was deported to Botany Bay in Australia in 1824 for handling a forged banknote…he too was 16…he ended up marrying the daughter of the owner of a sheep station where he was working when he got his ticket of leave.When he died in 1905 he was a millionaire and owned a good portion of New South Wales…and few thousand sheep, a large mansion and employed over a hundred people

  42. 85
    bukkkbukkkkbuukkbukkkbuuuuuukkkk says:

    Did Guido ever tell us whether he believes the death penalty should be applied to those who murder PSNI officers?

  43. 86
  44. 87
    Gonk says:

    The unbearable smug fascist
    politicians masquerading as democrats.
    Simply fantastic how brazen they are
    and as Old Holborn put it recently, we are one day,
    all 62 million of us, going to to have to go down
    to the den of thieves and sort out the bleedin lot of them.

  45. 97
    I meet a socailist once and the cunt nicked my wallet. says:

    Steve Bruce

    “Too many tweets make a ………”

  46. 99
    Hard-Lazing Voter says:

    Meanwhile, while proggy morons crow and rage about an issue that won’t get any attention by the politicians, the European economy in the pins and needles stage of a heart attack.

    I guess this is time for more of those vaunted Fabian solutions that didn’t work the first time!

  47. 103
    pooop says:

    Pau.l Flyn.n is a N.A .Z.I

  48. 105
    Inflatable Guido says:

    35 lbs/sq in

  49. 109
    Cain (disAbled) says:

    (ANSAmed) — ROME, AUGUST 4 — The use of the death penalty to implement the Sharia, Islamic law, continues to increase year by year: in 2010 there were at least 714 executions, against 658 in 2009 and around 585 in the previous year, in 13 countries with a Muslim majority, many of which ordered by religious tribunals.

    The sentences were carried out by hanging, decapitation and execution by firing squad. These figures emerged from the 2011 report presented today in Rome by the association ‘Nessuno tocchi Caino’ (Hands Off Cain).

  50. 113
    It will be ok in the morning right? says:

    Just pull out!

  51. 115
    Anonymous says:

    you know, I’m tired of politicians constantly throwing it in my face just how ‘right’ they are and how ‘wrong’ I am. I am tired of their highly judgemental and arrogant behaviour., not to say criminal and corrupt.

    the stress demanded to just keep an eye on these buggers is ruining my health

  52. 122
    Anonymous says:

    this happened yesterday – police shooting people again

    http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/standard/article-23975846-man-shot-dead-by-police-in-tottenham.do

    funny how IPCC said yesterday that man shot first and police responded – now changed to they don’t know order of shooting ….

    maybe this is the sort of democracy politicians want

    • 128
      Tax Payer says:

      Irrespective of his ‘crime’, you could say this guy was executed by the state?

      Judge Dredd style.

      • 199
        Sir William Waad says:

        Is your theory that the police shot him dead before he shot the copper? Or that, if somebody shoots a policeman, the fuzz should back off an say “Sorry to have troubed you, old chap?”

      • 212
        Atar says:

        Poor, obviously innocent chap…

        Excerpts from the report:

        “A gun was found at the scene…”
        “Sources said the victim was a “well-known gangster” who had been under surveillance by officers investigating gun crime…”
        “…said she was “shocked” to learn her boyfriend of 13 years was carrying a gun”
        “Maybe he needed it for protection because he was worried. It is such a shock. They say he shot at police first but I just can’t believe it.”
        “They said he shot at police but I just can’t understand it, he had his kids, his life – I’d have killed him if he’d have done anything like that…”

  53. 123
    Adrian says:

    Victory to Flynn in that one. Fawkes would have done well never to get involved with this – he will lose credibility and influence.

    • 228
      Anonymous says:

      Are you mad? I thought I just saw an elected politician say on television that it doesn’t matter one jot what his constituents want, think or do: that he is elected solely for his vast wisdom which trumps all other considerations. That he and his party are effectively entitled to lie to those idiot constituents so that that vast wisdom be deployed in what they consider the public good. Guido could have stood up, turned around, dropped his pants, pointed his vast posterior at the screen and blown off extravagantly, and he’d still have come out marginally on top.

  54. 124
    The Colonel says:

    Miltary Coup needed methinks!

  55. 127
    The Sentinal says:

    Flyn is the sort of politician that should not have any place in Westminster.
    His arguments are spurrious and certainly self defeating.
    Hope all those constituents that voted for him saw his unbelievable performance – they seem to get instant zombie tribal indoctrination on first entering Westminster.

    • 188
      Afghanistan Banana Stand says:

      Dreadful man, but:

      7,779 maj in ’92
      14,537 maj 97
      9,304 maj in ’01
      5,458 maj in ’05
      3,544 maj in 2010

      Unfortunately, I think he’ll retire before he’s elected out

  56. 130
    Oliver Cromwell says:

    Wow. I know this will be buried in the usual shit that fills this blog’s comments, but finally there is something on Guido that is actually worthwhile. I’ve never seen an openly anti-democratic opinion expressed so plainly in the British media or defended so strongly by the programme’s host.

  57. 133
    Anonymous says:

    the discussion by the mp here, sad old grey git, is typically arrogant and smarmy.

    more importantly though is that his actions totally disempower people and disenfranchise people. he leaves no room for opinions other than his own.

    this is a definition of fascism

  58. 135
    imnumbervi says:

    At last, a tiny jot of honesty from a politician:
    “.. when public opinion is WRONG…”

    And this is why politics is dying on its arse.

    If it is a toss up between politicians like Flynn or a computer – computer any time.

    • 236
      Commodore PET, MP for Luton South says:

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  59. 137
    The Colonel says:

    Sod Hanging ..we want a EU Referendum first!!!!!!!!!!!

  60. 139
    David Leigh says:

    Oh shit!

  61. 141
    Joseph McCaffrey says:

    “public opinion is wrong” “We have to lead public opinion”

    This sounds like the sort of arguments that were used against democracy when people were given the vote. I wonder how the MP’s own constituents would feel about him thinking that he knows best and that their views are unimportant

  62. 142
    Kevin Bollox says:

    The British electorate does not need arrogant little bearded twerps like Paul Flynn to make judgements on our behalf ! He is elected to represent the voters. The fat guy on the left screen is spot on – if we want capital punishment or to get out of the EU then we have the right to get that enacted by the people that we elect to represent our opinions. Maybe Paul Fucking Idiot Flynn should go back and learn what the word democracy mean – stupid fucking idiot.

  63. 143
    Mr Gaddafi says:

    I’m very much in favour of the death penalty, providing the cops get the right man.

    • 175
      Gordon Brown says:

      I’ve disappeared again so there.

    • 269
      Anonymous says:

      I think the 11000+ anti petition is actually helping Guido. The point of the petition is that is should be debated, not accepted – debated if it acquires the requesite numbers of signatures. If it gets debated then his objective is achieved.

      I wasnt going to sign either petition but after Paul Flynn’s performance I changed my mind.

      Anyone else think Flynn looks like a R+M cartoon character?

      • 276
        Anonymous says:

        Guido’s argument seems to be I want a debate in Parliament, but I’m not going to accept any result that doesn’t bring back the death penalty because if you MPs don’t agree with me then you are clearly undemocratic. Just because a lot of people (allegedly) want it doesn’t make it right!

  64. 145
    Loungelizard says:

    Was looking at Private Eye…anybody know why Stella Creasy was de-selected as a councillor?

  65. 148
    Dictators Luv Beards says:

    Flynn gives the impression of a man who marches round his bedroom starkers except for shiny jackboots, sieg-heiling himself in a big mirror. You’d have to be a card-carrying masochist to vote for such an arrogant despiser of democracy!

    • 157
      imnumbervi says:

      Democracy is nothing more than the instrument by which these bastards are kept employed and a small reminder of a controlled freedom dangled under our noses every 4-5 years.

  66. 163
    I meet a socailist once and the cunt nicked my wallet. says:

    I think we should all calm down and have a cup of tea.

  67. 171
    Spartacus says:

    Lot of rudeness on this site today.

    I look forward to Billy’s winning line for the Caption Competition.

  68. 173
    casual observer says:

    That MP looks (and sounds) like he’s from a “close knit” community.

  69. 178
    Dave Figgley says:

    Fuck the death penalty, mate. What we need is meaningful, consistent sentencing and not this namby-pamby, wishy-washy bollocks that passes for “justice” in this country. Why the fuck any con gets time off for “good behaviour” is beyond me, son. If some c unt gets 34 months or 5 years then that is the time he should serve. End of. Whilst doing the time for the crime, these people should be put to good use as a cheap source of labour thus going some way to helping us compete against the Chinas of this world. One in a hundred adults in America is banged up making everything from fridges to airplane parts (source: DikiPedia). Take away their widescreen tellys and sun beds and make them WORK, FFS. That is far and away a bigger deterrent to committing crime than death. Jesus wept, it ain’t rocket science, mate.

    What time is the caption contest?

    • 181
      The shadow of the hangman says:

      can we have the death penalty say for just Labour supporters. It would show the majority of us do have some compassion. We would make death come quickly as well say over a couple of days…

      • 214
        Old Illtydian says:

        Paul Flynn might agree with you. So-called ‘public opinion’ would probably be heavily against such a move, but as he so wisely reveals, such questions should be considered only by those with superior insight.

  70. 179
    Dont get caught with a dildo up your bum says:

    ooo errrr….

  71. 182
    Robert Maynard Hutchins says:

    “The death of democracy is not likely to be an assassination from ambush. It will be a slow extinction from apathy, indifference, and undernourishment.”

  72. 191
    Billy Bowden is the world's greatest umpire! says:

    ‎’By yesterday afternoon, a counter-petition to retain the ban on capital punishment was the most popular on the site, with over 3,000 signatures.

    Hard Luck Guido

    Why don’t you e-petition to bring back Spitting Image ????

    • 198
      Gordon Brown says:

      I want them to bring back Star Trek, a new series with all the original 1960s cast.

      Including those who have died.

    • 229
      Simon says:

      A bit out of date now – it’s more like 5,000!

    • 233
      Echochamber says:

      Now over 10,000. lol.. so where is this “vast majority of the UK population” who support the death penalty? I’m guessing the campaign’s running a little low on steam now that all EDL supporters have voted

  73. 194
    Sir William Waad says:

    A truly unhinged piece in the Grauniad on “Why neoliberalism caused phone-hacking but this can prevented by marching and shouting”:

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2011/aug/04/neoliberalism-zombie-action-phone-hacking

    A real collector’s item!

    • 210
      Tessa Tickles says:

      Well, I wasted a good 5-10 minutes of my life reading that drivel. As you say, a collector’s item.

      “The only way out of the present impasse is to spark mass political action such as that glimpsed in Greece, Spain and the Maghreb, as well as the student movement in the UK. Any prospect of this reaching the level of social force needed to finish off neoliberalism is predicated on the hope that the embrace of tabloid and celebrity culture is a symptom of the powerless position neoliberalism places us in, and not its cause.”

      What a load of cock.

    • 220
      Anonymous says:

      Blimey, Dave Spart with 5 GCSEs.

  74. 196
    Penfold says:

    Only goes to reinforce the perception in the public’s mind that there is a disconnect between our political lords and masters and the views and opinions of the electorate.
    Politicians are not progressive Guido, they are lying, stealing, cheating, fornicating scum who are into politics to gain power and glory for themselves. They are also there as they are natural bullies who cannot resist the joys of bossing the people around and giving temselves airs and graces. They lust for power and they want the control over people that being an MP and representing a mainstream party gives.
    This disconnect results in low turnouts as everybody senses the futility of wasting a vote to some low-life who will promptly renege on all his promises.
    Flynn talks about single issue parties representing the dissentient vote, they dont under FPTP, but would under AV or PR and would annihalate the existing 2.5 main parties.
    Flynn is a smug, sanctmonious tosser who represents only himself and takes his views and opinions far too seriously, casting aspersion on the views and opinions of those he is PAID to represent.
    That is the serious disconstruct, MP’s fail to understand that they are paid mercenaries, paid to represent the views of 60k people, not there own views, no matter how precious they might think they are.
    We should perhaps charge our MP’s with electoral fraud inasmuch that they fail to take into account the views and opinions of the people they are representing whilst accepting a salary and very generous perks and extras.

  75. 222
    Anonymous says:

    This is just what we need. The country run by blog trolls. Democracy is not about indulging the will of an agitated mob – of course you can get support for the death penalty if you ask people whether it’s fair that kids are killed.

  76. 224
    Anonymous says:

    These civilising and progressive MPs, would they be the same bunch that have taken us into Iraq and Afghanistan to fight wars that have caused the death of thousands?
    Wars the people, who need to be lead by their betters, overwhelmingly opposed?

  77. 225
    Cut the rate of VAT epetition says:

    While you’re deciding which side of the capital punishment fence you’re on:

    Vote for this epetition to cut the rate of VAT!

    http://epetitions.direct.gov.uk/petitions/41

  78. 226
    Voyeur says:

    Cheer up. There’s the prospect of laughing at the shameless Sally Bercow and her pompous hubby when she appears on Big Brother.

  79. 232
    FlipC says:

    Much as I disagree with Guido:
    “But a majority still vote for the main parties, and so they should” Excuse me?

    • 239
      F the political class says:

      We in the UK are living under an oligarchy, in a one-policy state.

      You can bet any party seriously challenging the status quo will be demonised, infiltrated and sabotaged, and eventually put out of business.

  80. 234
    ISO 9000 says:

    I read your post . it was amazing.Your thought process is wonderful.The way you tell about things is awesome. They are inspiring and helpful.Thanks for sharing your information and stories.
    iso 9000

  81. 241
    James says:

    So if Guido had his way, Sally Clark, Donna Anthony and Angela Cannings would all have been executed for the murdering their children, instead of being exonerated and released.

    • 265
      Anonymous says:

      Or maybe, if the justice system actually worked, they would have been found innocent on appeal? As, errm, happened?

  82. 251
    Anonymous says:

    I signed the petition and got the e-mail back to click on . When I click on it to confirm all I get is ‘Page not found’ ……. I have tried repeating the process but it just says that my e-mail address has already been used. Can anyone help please?

  83. 252
    Jim Miller says:

    The only epetition to withdraw from the EU that has any number of votes is basically an advert for the Daily Express. There are a lot of us who want out of Europe who won’t help publicise that tabloid, so that petition could get stuck…

  84. 253
    Jimmy says:

    Guido has a point about elitism. Parliament is full of Oxbridge graduates. By comparison, ex minor-public school FE College dropouts are a hugely under-represented demographic. Why do the parties continue to ignore this demographic when selecting candidates?

    • 257
      Lady Warnock's ear-trumpet says:

      It’s a good point. ‘Comprehensive’ education driven by an irretrievably warped understanding of equality has so ‘comprehensively’ fucked schools and colleges that the parties have very little choice when it comes to selecting candidates who are able to distinguish arse from elbow.

    • 259
      Anon. says:

      Oxbridge graduates – Milliband, Milliband, Balls, Cooper, Harman, Burnham, Abbot.
      Millionaires – Milliband, Milliband, Balls, Cooper, Harman, Byrne, Woodward.

  85. 254
    Jess The Dog says:

    E-petition site is running at nearly 2 to 1 for retaining the abolition versus restoration of capital punishment.

  86. 261
    Anonymous says:

    Notice how they referred to the public as “The Mob”. Nice to see how they view us, people who dare to have the wrong type of thoughts and opinions. The truth is that the Labour party and TV media hate the public, hate the worker and only trust their metropolitan Left Wing elite.

    They say Cameron doesn’t represent the public because he’s posh, yet when they don’t represent the public they like to call it Leadership. As ever, flip flopping hypocrites.

  87. 263
    anyone else spotted it yet? says:

    I see that your ‘restore justice’ website is still, in fact, merely a page on this blog.
    It is now blindingly obvious that this ‘campaign’ is nothing more than an exercise in generating publicity, traffic, ad revenue and money in your pocket, you grimy little Hunt.

  88. 266
    Anonymous says:

    Oh, crap, I had no idea Guido Fawkes was soooooo right wing. Capital punishment, don’t be so silly! I know you’re trying to represent the basest of public opinion, but there’s no need to be so neanderthal and Sarah Palinesque in what you advocate for.

  89. 268
    Anonymous says:

    Guido, your blog is priceless, but your views on capital punishment are embarrassing.

    Why do you have to spoil your fine investigative journalism by being such a twat on this particular issue?

  90. 270
    Exposing corruption at East Herts Council says:

    Exactly who is theat bearded pompous peasant?

    His contemptuous holier than thou attitude toward people is astonishing.

    Does the bearded git not realise he is making an ass of himself?

  91. 272
    General Sir Philip Michael Hunt says:

    I am disappointyde, Paul Flynn owned Guido on that one, we needed a tougher speaker to on that porgramme, not lily-livered Guido.

  92. 274
    Anonymous says:

    Hopefully someone will get 100,000 votes to keep David Lammy off TV.

  93. 275
    Annon says:

    * There is no one here to answer your call at the moment please leave a message after the tone*……* BEEP*


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“There is more sexism in Britain than in any other country in the world, according to a mad woman who has been sent here by the United Nations.

Rashida Manjoo is a part-time professor of law at Cape Town University in the totally non-sexist country of South Africa (otherwise known as Rape Capital Of The World).

Mrs Magoo has been wandering around with her notebook and is appalled by the sexist “boys’ club” culture here, apparently.

I don’t doubt we still have sexism in the UK. But is it worse than in, say, Saudi Arabia, d’you think, honey-lamb? Or about 175 other countries? Get a grip, you doolally old bat.”



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