August 4th, 2011

The Petition Goes Live


  1. 1
    Billy Bowden is the greatest umpire ever ! says:

    Count me in.

  2. 2
    Anonymous says:

    good publicity stunt but you must know its never going to happen

  3. 3
    Matt says:

    If you’ve done nothing wrong you’ve nothing to fear, because the State is infallible and always works in our best interests.

  4. 4
    Billy Bowden is the greatest umpire ever ! says:

    Public referendum Guido?

    That would be people power!

  5. 5
    Michael says:

    A couple of questions. How many police officers have been murdered in the line of duty in the last 10 years, and of those murdered, what verdicts did the guilty receive? What cost analysis of the proposal has been made by the people who put forward the petition, and would they consider the proposals a legitimate use of public funds at a time when cuts in spending are being made across other services?

  6. 6
    Cumming 2 soon says:

    If a debate is forced we already know the result. They will do absolutely nothing. The overwhelming public opinion for years has been to restore the death penalty and they have spent 50 years now ignoring that opinion.

    It should be restored for the murder of Police or Prison Officers in the excercise of their duty, murder of children, murder by firearms, or murder in the commission of a criminal offence.

    A referendum, at the right time would return at least 90% in favour, and at the wrong time 80% in favour.

  7. 7
    Spacker Brown says:

    No chance, but it will show up the process for what it is.

    BTW, anyone remember Labour’s “Big Conversation”?

  8. 8
    Billy Bowden is the greatest umpire ever ! says:

    I mean it wouldnt hurt to ask all the people thier views?

    You will have the support you have and the other side will have support, let democrcy work?

  9. 9
    Pierrepoint says:

    Don’t you live in Ireland? Why do you give a fuck, is it just because the Irish are showing some sense and want nothing to do with this barbarity?

  10. 10
    Chris Squire says:

    1106 am: ‘e-petitions – create and sign petitions online

    HM Government’s e-petitions site has just been launched. Currently there aren’t any e-petitions to search for or sign, however, you can create new ones.’

  11. 11
    Mr Weiner says:

    I think everybody who votes for it should take turns pulling the switch. Might satisfy their bloodlust.

  12. 12
    pp says:

    So much for being anti-politician.

    You now want the state to be permitted to kill citizens – sheesh.

  13. 13
    Tax Payer says:

    “Making your voice heard” is exactly what won’t happen.

  14. 14
    Billy Bowden is the greatest umpire ever ! says:

    Hang on!!!!!

    I always pondered why Guido would do this, He seems a ok chap, but then it hit me, In long drawn out cases of murder etc there is only one winner.

    Lawyers, any conflict of intrest to declare :-)

  15. 15
    ? says:

    HM Government’s e-petitions site has just been launched. Currently there aren’t any e-petitions to search for or sign, however, you can create new ones.

  16. 16
    Hugh Janus says:

    Here’s my ‘cost analysis’ – a rope is cheaper than years in prison.

  17. 17
    Loungelizard says:

    Just get us out of the ..kin EU.

  18. 18
    It's a total scam, of course says:

    “It will be checked by a government department”

    “your e-petition could be debated in the House of Commons”

  19. 19
    Anonymous says:

    Our voices will be heard but they will be disregarded when it comes to the vote.

  20. 20
    A. Pierrepoint says:

    Wonderful stuff! We have a police force which apparently is more rotten and corrupt than anything in the Third World, and totally incapable of detecting crime without falsifying evidence to attempt to convict innocent people; not just of minor crimes but of those which according to this lynch-mob would attract the death penalty.

    It’ll soon be safer to be a West Country badger, unless of course we arm ourselves against the State and its State-sponsored murderers.

  21. 21
    bs says:

    Not for me, no thanks.

    I don’t find the current ‘solution’ for the likes of Ian Brady and those who would do what he did at all satisfactory, but I don’t want the state to kill in cold blood in my name both because it feels wrong and also because I don’t think it will have a beneficial practical result. I don’t believe that English Juries will want to convict when they know that they will, in effect, be sending the accused to his/her death.

  22. 22
    Weak willed liberal says:

    If I were on a jury I’d be more reluctant to give a guilty verdict if I knew a person would recieve the death penalty.

  23. 23
    Michael says:

    What about an exhaustive court process that has to determine absolute proof? And the 10 or so years someone spends on death row? You’re ignorant of the facts because you’re not clever enough to understand them.

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  25. 25
    Joe says:

    If you don’t agree with Guido’s idea of justice, the alternative petition is here:

  26. 26
    Sir Barrington Minge says:

    Wrong this time Guido.

    The state should never have the power to take a life however heinous the crime.

    Such power is used and abused by states such as Iran, Saudi Arabia and China.

    Do you really want the UK to be seen on the same level as these?

    Say no to Capital Punishment

  27. 27
    Hugh Janus says:

    Yes, stunning wasn’t it? Must have lasted for all of a week, until some wonk invented the next silly stunt.

    A couple of links on this subject:

    All spin, no substance. And you can apply the same comment to the current lot.

  28. 28
    Blind leading blind says:

    Please sign my e-petition to ban offshore bloggers from trying to interfere in UK legal system

  29. 29
    Billy Bowden is the greatest umpire ever ! says:

    Apart from the USA arnt the only other countries that have death pen socailist/comunist/Islamic?

  30. 30
    It's a total scam, of course says:

    That’s because a team of civil servants have to agree what you can be concerned about.

    Direct democracy? Yeah, right.

  31. 31
    Billy Bowden Pride says:

    Shum mishtake shurely?

  32. 32
    Colin Stagg says:

    I agree entirely.

  33. 33
    The Government says:

    La la la la la la

  34. 34
    Sir William Waad says:

    This is an example of conservatives shooting ourselves in the foot. It won;t hapeen, it shouldn’t happen, and it makes us look bloodhtirsty.

  35. 35
    Loungelizard says:

    Thirteen years under Labour has made the electorate cynical. Never again will we see any government initiative as anything other than a PR stunt. We accept government as a clerical function of the EU as we have no current viable alternative.

  36. 36
    Danny says:


    I went throught the process & the emailled link took me back to the Petition Form.

    How do I check that my vote has counted?


  37. 37
    Bill d'Sarse says:

    Democracy – something that only applies just before an election.

  38. 38
    The Archbishop of Canterbury says:

    Hah! 10 years on Death Row? That’s 10 years of my trembling bearded face on your TV screens, night after night after night, explaining that the murderer is a ‘victim’.

  39. 39
    Anonymous says:

    The costs would be minimal compared to the sums of taxpayers money we give to overseas aid which ends up buying luxury aircraft,top of the range armour plated car fleets,purpose built palaces & anything left over transferred to secret accounts of dictators.

  40. 40
    Billy Bowden is the greatest umpire ever ! says:

    We have corrupt police/CPS/media/politicons!

    What could possibly go wrong?

  41. 41
    Anonymous says:

    Why not on EU, foreign aid, economy, etc.

    Brown put this economy in the toilet and Osborne is flushing it away. Most in this site wants to close their eyes and pretend nothing is happening.

  42. 42
    Michael says:

    Clearly Guido and that fat Tory kid he hangs around with are Islamist sleeper agents attempting to enact Sharia Law via the back door.

  43. 43
    Selohesra says:

    Put me down for a No then – I sense a lot of right-wing nutters (myself included) are against capital punnishment and opinion seems pretty divided here even if adjusted for a few trolls. Can we have a mini vote run on this site like the thumbs up/down system to actually guage overall opinion?

  44. 44
    Mike Litorus says:

    Guido, if you are strapped in the chair about to be executed for a crime you did not commit, will you still agree that bringing back the death penalty is a good idea?

    If this goes ahead, I will be moving to the first country that will accept me.

  45. 45
    Ex-Labour voter says:

    Yes, sadly I do. I think that was the definitive moment when I realised Labour were bang out of ideas.

  46. 46

    Guido, the State doesn’t get much bigger than when it says,
    “I am going to choke you to death”.

    Does it?

  47. 47
    Michael says:

    Cheers for that. As I understand, foreign aid amounts to 0.7% of our GDP. Care to offer a solid number to make your point the other way?

  48. 48
    Billy Bowden is the greatest umpire ever ! says:

    Dont they stone homosexuals to death with sharia law?

  49. 49
    Hugh Janus says:

    You will receive a knock on the door when they send the boys round.

  50. 50
  51. 51
    Come on out says:

    What’s your problem? Anyone can start a petition, even you.

  52. 52
    It's a total scam, of course says:

    What’s the link to get to the list of petitions?

    I can’t find them from

    BTW – how did this one get through so quickly?

  53. 53
    Grumpy Old Man says:

    On the other hand, the present balance with it’s accentuation on the rights of the criminal over the rights of the victim must be addressed. A debate on the place of judicial execution in extremis as part of English law is as good a place as any to start to redress the balance with a view to re-ordering our legal system in favour of the victim, as opposed to protecting the criminal from the full consequences of his crime.

  54. 54
    All police are pigs says:

    To put it politely, I regard the police ‘service’ with the utmost suspicion, and in light of their framing Barry George and Colin Stagg, I would (if I were on a jury) regard the evidence put forward by the police to be unreliable – no matter how convincing it may appear – and for that reason I would find the suspect ‘not guilty’ if he or she faced the death penalty.

  55. 55
    Michael says:

    No, they hang them. Adulterous women are stoned to death.

  56. 56
    Stefan Kiszko says:

    So would I, if I wasn’t dead.

  57. 57
    Anonymous says:

    Billy,ffs stop talking about democrcy(or democracy). We don’t have it,never have had it & never will get it. So FFS stop talking about it.

  58. 58
    Executive Summary says:

    The ‘pro’s’ have won the emotive, shouting argument; the ‘anti’s’ have won the rational, just argument.

  59. 59
    Under pressure to catch a crook and eager for promotion, a policeman says:


  60. 60
    MajorFrustration says:

    Lets not leave here – what about immigration, the EU, overseas aid budget, MPs expenses

  61. 61
    Ichabod says:

    Does this scheme mean that if I organised it and found enough people to support it –is it 100,000– the say MP’s would be obliged to discuss, say, ending foreign aid to certain countries, or enforcing a ban on all mosque building in England and Wales, on banning the burqua….

  62. 62
    Anonymous says:

    It doesn’t even apply in an election, remember “Sun won it”. Look at number of people not living in UK giving millions to political parties.

    We used to have democracy but sadly it was sold.

  63. 63
    Rage Against the Political Elite says:

    Why dont we vote for More Police officers on top of the 160’000 we already have, Then vote for more Prisons and Bigger Prisons as we have a lot of Ex Squaddies who might come back from the Wars they have been sent too and might Kill some one. Lets turn the Country into Mexico and lets have a little more prohibition that will get a Good Vote, No More Drugs No More Smoking, I need a Camera in my Home so I can get some State organisation to check up on my discourse incase I say something a bit contoversial, Why not Jail people for Speaking.

  64. 64
    Geedo Forks says:

    I hope I’m never wrongly accused and found guilty of murder! And if it happens under a Labour govt, I’m sure I can put my trust into a Labour home sec to do the right thing. After all, they were very reliable and honest last time.

  65. 65
    Billy Bellend says:

    Instead of wasting time and effort on this nonsense how about a petition to declare war on the EU?

  66. 66
    Drop a Daisy cutter on the BBC says:

    Can we start one to get Jeremy Clarkson for PM?

  67. 67
    Billy Bowden is the greatest umpire ever ! says:

    Besides, this will cost billions in cost.

    we would have to re-brand “British Justice” to “British Vengence”, then the “Ministry of justice” would be re-branded to “Ministry of vengence”.

    i wonder how many Mps want to be “Vengence Minister” ?

  68. 68
    Anonymous says:

    Come on out says: August 4, 2011 at 11:26 am

    It has to be agreed by civil servants who work for the politician.

  69. 69
    Rage Against the Political Elite says:

    Ask Sally Clarke, she would have been executed by Now if Guido had his Way and we would have never found out that Roy Meadows was a State sponsored Knacker.

  70. 70
    Do something yourself. says:

    Stop whinging and start your OWN petition

  71. 71
    War Criminals says:

    Instead of this ridiculous endeavour, do you realise that if you instead had a petition for Blair and Campbell to be tried for war crimes, you’d reach 100,000 signatures in about 5 minutes? And then we’d have the fun of a full debate on that.

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    Billy Bowden is the greatest umpire ever ! says:


  73. 73
    Time 2 CTRL, ALT & DEL says:

    its the people who will be saying this – not the state.
    Jury and petition

  74. 74
    Anonymous says:

    Trust the State with matters of life or death? This is a joke, right? Please tell me that this is a joke.

    And why police officers (the corrupt para-military enforcers of banker socialism)?

  75. 75
    Rage Against the Political Elite says:

    Poor Sally Clarke would be Dead now Murdered by the State on the Say so of a Knacker Roy Meadows.

  76. 76
    Executive Summary says:

    “However, to protect this service from abuse, e-petitions must satisfy some basic conditions.

    If an e-petition does not include a clear statement explaining what action you want the government to take, it will be rejected.

    When submitting an e-petition, you may not include the following:

    Language that may cause offence, is provocative or extreme in its views.

    Names of family members of elected representatives, eg MPs, or officials of public bodies .”

    etc. etc.

  77. 77
    Loungelizard says:

    Unleash the Hounds of Hell I say.

  78. 78
    Anonymous says:

    Here’s the most active other-side petition:

    And here’s a simple assessment of Staines’s approach from a blogger:

  79. 79
    Roy Meadows says:

    I never did anything wrong ever. I think you’re thinking of that other guy. The one without the s on the end of his name.

  80. 80
    Richie says:

    Count me as Anti Capital Punishment. Strongly.

  81. 81
    Hugh Janus says:

    It was 2003 – what took you so long?

  82. 82
    Anonymous says:

    The democracy element is removed by re-jigging the constituency boundaries prior to the voters putting their X’s on the ballot paper.
    Apart from that Bill,is it democratic for mp’s for constituencies not affected by their vote being allowed to vote on matters affecting other constituencies? It’s known as the West Lothian question.

  83. 83
    Anonymous says:

    I’d say that being willing and excited to send someone to their death is a disqualification for jury service, which is about justice not vengeance.

  84. 84
    Anonymous says:

    Guido is sub-Fox News cancer.

  85. 85
    Grumpy Old Man says:

    Interesting red herring. Your argument assumes that the guilty were apprehended, that those who were charged were in fact those who perpetrated the murder, and that there was a possibility that a not guilty verdict was returned by a jury even though the correct person was tried. As to the cost-analysis paragraph, the main duty of a democratic government is the protection of it’s citizens from threats which intrude on the enjoyment of a peaceful and quiet life. This duty is the primary one and is the most legitimate use of taxation. Only when this aim is largely achieved should any other expenditure be contemplated. In sum, a robust and effective judicial system is of greater priority than diversity officers career progression pyramids or several layers of NHS middle managers.

  86. 86
    Anonymous says:

    Is Guido a secret sharia law supporter? Seems like it. Bog off to Saudia Arabia.

  87. 87
    sockpuppet #4 says:

    Sorry to say, I’d be right up there pointing out flaws in British police, and all the things they’ve cocked up in the past (no one going to mention Winston Silcott? there done it).

    They are a lot better than many other countries police forces, and probably equivalent to the nicest of our near european neighbours.

  88. 88
    Dave Laws says:

    What exactly is your motive Guido?

  89. 89
    Hugh Janus says:

    The current clown is quite enough, thank you.

  90. 90
    Hugh Janus says:

    And a good deal less than 5 minutes if the proposal is to leave the EU.

  91. 91
    sockpuppet #4 says:

    Sorry to say, I’d be right up there pointing out flaws in British police, and all the things they’ve cocked up in the past (no one going to mention Winston Silcott? there done it).

    They are a lot better than many other countries police forces, and probably equivalent to the nicest of our near euro(broadbean)n neighbours

  92. 92
    Loungelizard says:

    But would we get to hang em at the end?

  93. 93
    Washington Irving says:

    Its a catch 22 situation

  94. 94
    Yeah, right says:

    Which is why we give thanks to god for the off button.

  95. 95
    Raving Loon says:

    How about a petition for an “in or out” EU referendum?

  96. 96
    sockpuppet #4 says:

    How many years in prison pays for a team of lawyers for about 15 minutes?

  97. 97
    Anonymous says:

    The arrogance and ‘we know better’ attitude will still prevail by the indulgent MP’s.

    They really are the enemy within, the real Trojan horse in our country. All of them. Not one is to be trusted.

  98. 98
    M'Learned Friend's Friend says:

    And they are off! Bigot in the lead followed closely by Prejudice, Narrow Minded Berk and Internet Ranter. What an interesting race.

  99. 99
    H Dromey (Ms) says:

    We need a petition for half of all cricket and F1 teams to be wimmin.

  100. 100
    John Bellingham says:

    Up until the early 19th C there were few prisons. The use of the death penalty for over 220 crimes ranging from murder to “being in the company of gypsies” or “having a black face while committing a crime” was more economical than locking people up. (and looked on with nostalgia). Likewise the use of the stocks, the pillory, corporal punishment, branding and the like was not so much spite or sadism, but based on the lack of an alternative. Prison space that did exist (Newgate, The Gaol and The Clink) was usually reserved for debtors, politicians, journalists and crooked money-lenders. Almost as soon as the death penalty was reformed there was no prison space for the surviving crims (thus the holidays in Australia and the Thames hulks)– being nice to criminals does not result in less crime or less re-offending. So prisons should be cruel, souless, vicious places that would make offenders commit suicide rather than serve time.

  101. 101
    Biddy says:

    Costs more to do all the appeals you need to kill someone (yeah KILL) than it would to keep them banged up. It’s pretty well-documented unless all you read is right wing propaganda – maybe google it.

  102. 102
    Anonymous says:

    The life of the killer is worth more than the life of the person he killed and the rights of the killed persons family?

  103. 103
    Billy Bellend says:

    Not from Guido. He is a Tory and de facto an EU supporter.

  104. 104
    Mohammed says:

    This is utter rubbish – once Sharia law has been introduced the death penalty will exist for many ‘crimes’ = voting Labour will be number one reason

  105. 105
    Grumpy Old Man says:

    More total bollocks from the hard of thinking. The argument hasn’t started yet, it’s all swinging in the trees and beating chests, especially equating a just punishment with a desire for vengeance and other such emotive, shouting, dogmatism.

  106. 106
    Cream Puff says:

    Is this site now heading right of the Daily Mail?
    or is it really the Dail Mail?
    I havent read such a load of absolute SHIT from a blog in all my life
    Guido has obviously lost the plot by pushing an agenda for capital punishment
    Where the fuck did that come from???
    Personally I’m against it
    So unless your some toss bag Tea Party member from Texas, I think you should wake up and smell the coffee

  107. 107
    Nothing will actually happen though says:

    Now THAT would be a step TOO far !!

  108. 108
    Andrew says:

    You should add Prison Officers to the list , with cop and child killers

  109. 109
    Anonymous says:

    The education in this country really is the pits – all these people mistaking democracy for mob rule.

  110. 110
    sockpuppet #4 says:

    Do you consider any country other than the USA to be “not socialist”

  111. 111
    Billy Bowden is the greatest umpire ever ! says:


    We all ready half a English cricket team of South Africans, Is that not enough?

  112. 112
    Billy Bowden is the greatest umpire ever ! says:

    And umpires!

  113. 113
    Grumpy Old Man says:

    We did – 1997 to 2010.

  114. 114
    Billy Bellend says:

    No but the life of an innocent person is worth more than the life of a thousand guilty people.

  115. 115
    Executive Summary says:

    Current top 2 are to restore capital punishment and, er, to keep the ban on capital punishment.

  116. 116
    Billy Bowden is the greatest umpire ever ! says:

    If voting changed anything they would ban it.

  117. 117
    Colonel Nut. says:

    More bent coppers emerging today,five sacked on Merseyside.Given the amount of corruption coming to light,would it really be safe and just to bring back hanging for murdering one?

  118. 118
    Michael says:

    There are degrees of horror, but it’s state sanctioned murder, whichever way you look at it.

  119. 119
    Grumpy Old Man says:

    One of the rules is that people must not be mentioned by name. Your petition wouldn’t make it on to the site. Bastards!

  120. 120
    The voice of unreason says:

    You are probably correct in that nothing will happen.

    However, by forcing a debate and a vote, we (the electorate) get find out which of our representatives believe their job is to represent us at Westminster and those that think their job is to represent Westminster to us.

    This will result in a far bigger shake up to the political system that the mere acceptance or rejection of capital punishment.

  121. 121
    AndyS says:

    I can’t support this particular petition because it effectively states that the lives of children and police officers are more important than those of everyone else. If the death penalty is restored, it should be for the murder of any human being.

  122. 122
    Billy Bowden is the greatest umpire ever ! says:

    Please dont confuse vengence with justice.

  123. 123
    Grumpy Old Man says:

    Why do you want to bite the hand that feeds you?

  124. 124
    Anon 2 says:

    Oh, only 0.7% – that’s all right then?

  125. 125
    Bled White Taxpayer says:

    Was that when that elderly gentleman was bundled out of the Labour Conference by security?

  126. 126
    You can start a juggernaut downhill but you can then never stop it............ says:

    Never underestimate the power of the masses to force a government to bend to its will whatever the governing liberal elite of the european union actually want….this petition is not simply about restoring the Death Penalty but a subtle Trojan Horse and fraught with problems for the Cameron government… and the otherquestion is though as the band wagon starts to roll will Miliband decide to jump aboard it despite his fabian tendencies in an attempt to use it to attack the Coalition ????

  127. 127
    Billy Bellend says:

    Except politicians and Irish bog trotters.

  128. 128
    JM says:

    Pathetic. Plucking two categories (child killers, police killers) out of the air at random without any consideration of any issues. Then dressing it up like a serious proposal.

    Ho hum, at least we get a nice list of MPs to never vote for again when they chirp up and give support to this reprehensible backward scheme.

  129. 129
    Anonymous says:

    On what basis is this issue being put forward in the form of an e-petition? Arguments merely relying on consensus are automatically fallacious. Just because the average MP seems to exhibit all of the cognitive capability of a battered cabbage, that shouldn’t mean that we should take society back toward the Dark Ages because a blogger would rather revel in hypocrisy than justice.

  130. 130
    Simon says:

    The usual hang em flog em brigade ,”better to hang one innocent man than let a guilty one go free ” ,has anyone noticed that we don’t have a perfect system ? corrupt police ,self seeking politicians and a press that will say or do anything to sell newspapers , hasn’t history taught us anything ? Think! – let judges and juries decide , life should be life , not mandatory but a decision made at a trial , no unelected minister deciding the sentence because an editor makes it an issue ,lets get back to justice .

  131. 131
    Colonel Nut. says:

    Depends what they’re guilty of.

  132. 132
    Weak willed liberal says:

    Agreed but my point was that the evdence that you would have to present me would be far far more substantial to get me to convict someone knowing they would be killed than it would to get me to convict someone if they were to recieve life. I hope that makes sense.

    Basically I wouldn’t convict if there was even a sliver of doubt.

  133. 133
    Billy Bellend says:

    How about a petition to ban petitions? That way we could talk about something more interesting.

  134. 134
    Executive Summary says:

    The argument has been rumbling on for years.

    It cannot be resolved, because there is no right or wrong ‘answer’. Whatever the outcome, some of us will be unhappy.

    That’s what happens in mature socities.

  135. 135
    You want to be in the same gang as THIS lot? says:

    Restoring the death penalty would put us in the warm fuzzy company of nations like China, Saudi Arabia, Iran, Iraq, North Korea, Yemen, Bahrain, Syria, Vietnam and Bangladesh.

    And before anyone mentions our biggest ally, the death penalty in the US is decided upon by states, it’s not a federal policy. Many states don’t have it.

  136. 136
    Reese Nubble says:

    This will be like abortion and guns in the U.S. Two intractable views.

  137. 137
    Jacqui 5 Bellies, John Reid, Fatty Clarke, David Blunkett says:

    Come on, guys! You can trust us with the death penalty!

  138. 138
    H Dromey (Ms) says:

    Half of all umpires should be wimmin

  139. 139
    Anonymous says:

    i never said anything about killing an innocnet person. You did.

  140. 140
    Mad Malky the Alky says:

    Let me get this straight – if I wait till PC Plod goes off duty I can top him and I won’t get my neck stretched? Sounds like a good deal.

  141. 141
    Anonymous says:

    “I havent read such a load of absolute SHIT from a blog in all my life”

    You obviously haven’t spent much time in the blogosphere. Though undoubtedly absolute shit, this is pretty low-grade absolute shit, as absolute shit goes.

  142. 142
    Billy Bellend says:

    People like them?

  143. 143
    Anonymous says:

    And of course, Guido goes mental when other civil liberties are infringed, “nothing to hide nothing to fear” normally being anathema to him.

    Odd how it’s different when it comes to the state killing people. Almost as if he wants the job of executioner himself. Sick man.

  144. 144
    Gizzajob says:

    What’s would the money be?

  145. 145
    Sir William Waad says:

    Capital punishment could only improve the rights of victims if it deterred potential murderers. It doesn’t. Even Guido admitted as much in a recent interview.

    It is an irrelevance as far as protecting the public by preventing and detecting crime is concerned.

    Personally, I would love to be allowed to kill Levi Bellfield, preferably in a slow, painful and exemplary way, but I wouldn’t because I would be lowering myself to his level.

  146. 146
    The Real Billy Bowden says:

    I’d like to take a closer look at your action.

  147. 147
    Arthurgreenwood says:

    I’ve just heard Radio 4 news headlines describe it as petition to bring back hanging. Where did that come from?

  148. 148
    Spartacus says:

    Makes a change from the Indian sub continent . . .

  149. 149
    Titford Hat says:

    Top half or bottom half?

  150. 150
    Cato Street Conspirator says:

    ‘HM Government
    Sorry, something went wrong.
    We are very sorry, but we were unable to complete your last action.
    We have been notified about the problem and will resolve it as quickly as possible.’

    Is what they said.

  151. 151
    Mr H says:

    I’m not a conspiracy theorist, but…

    When you try to sign the petition, you either get a page not found page, or you get the page, but when you click on the sign the petition page, you get a page not found page.


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    Anonymous says:

    So, how many of these ‘savings’ would actually be carried out, say, per 10 years? Lets see, Ian Huntley, etc etc… the guy who shot the woman copper a few years ago? 10 or 15 I would say at a best guess.

    It costs £25k to keep a person in prison for a year, and that’s an average. On death row, with the extra security do you think it will be cheaper? More like double. Lets say £40000 minimum. Not to mention building new facilities to keep the fuckers in. Oh dear- rope not so cheap now?

    Each killer will also spend years fighting in the courts with teams of CPS v tax payer funded lawyers and anti-capital punishment activists. The court time will be epic. More costs added to the rope.

    Lets say 10 years fighting it, so £400k in jail time is spent anyway on each prisoner. Add to that the extra court costs over appeals and appeals.

    If the killer would otherwise have spent 50 years in ‘non death row’ jail (no, but just imagine) then that would have cost £2m. You have ‘saved’ your self £1.6m per prisoner executed.

    Over 10 years, 15 killers = £24 million. (that’s £2.4m per year) But remember, not counting the EXTRA court costs. Not counting building a death row prison (which admittedly might be recouped in the long run) and assuming they would serve 50 years otherwise.

    And when all this is taken into account, do you really think the prisons will say ” yeah, of course, cut our budget by £2.4m, we don’t need so much any more!!” No. They, will probably spend it on playstations just to piss you off. :)

    How much do the MP’s siphon off in expenses every year again? We would save more putting a few of them out of their misery.

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    Sir William Waad says:

    It’s not random. Polls indicate that, while a very small majority of people are against the death penalty in general, the bloodlust naturally rises when they think of a sweet little blonde girl being murdered.

  154. 154
    Not a good start says:

    Sorry, something went wrong.

    Another bloayed HMG IT project up shit creek

  155. 155
    Anonymous says:

    Ha – it’s down.

    Hanging and flogging will have to wait til tomorrow.

    Re this organised campaign, adverts, etc. No doubt it will get 100k signatories, but what difference will it make? None.

  156. 156
    pj21 says:

    Can’t sign the petition – “sorry, something has gone wrong”


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    Staunch catholics like Guido aren't best placed to decide on justice says:

    Guido’s basically saying a copper’s life has more value than his own wife’s. So, if someone caved in the head of crooked c unt Ali Dizaei, he’d be hung, but if he did it to Mrs Guido, he’d get life and probably be out on parole in ten. Smart. Very smart.

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    Spartacus says:

    Careful you dont get trampled in the rush

  159. 159
    Rage Against the Political Elite says:

    Is that to make sure we come LAST

  160. 160
    Bill Wiggin says:

    I’m not one for democracy myself. I much prefer to do what I like and get the police to help me with any dissenters. The political life is overrated so the little people should just fuck off

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    Chris Squire says:

    Try this one instead:

    ‘Petition to retain the ban on Capital Punishment

    Responsible department: Ministry of Justice

    A petition to call on the government to retain its position regards the abolition of the Death Penalty for all offences. That the British people note that only 58 nations currently use capital punishment, as opposed to 95 which have abolished it, further notes the un-retractable nature of such a sentence in incidents of miscarriages of Justice, further notes the death penalty does not reduce crime or act as a deterrent and in US states which practice capital punishment incidents of homicide are higher than US states which do not, further notes the higher cost of capital punishment compared to life imprisonment, believes that British Justice should not be in the same league as China, Iran, North Korea, Yemen, Saudi Arabia, Libya and Syria which do practice capital punishment on a routine basis and that the death penalty is the ultimate denial of human rights and an affront to the values of British Justice.’

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    Anonymous says:

    +1 Maybe we should consider this campaign of his as treasonous as it brings British morality into disrepute. Would be an hilarious irony.

  164. 164
    Coming of age says:

    And wait until the birthday of when the child becomes an adult.

  165. 165
    Rage Against the Political Elite says:

    Yeah the last high Profile Child Killer Sally Clarke would have been Murdered by the State. Well done. And we would have never uncovered the Knacker Meadows as a Police Stooge

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    Billy Bowden is the greatest umpire ever ! says:

    Just think, If Labour win next gen election and this is passed , your Minister for Vengence would be Sadiq Khan.


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    Loungelizard says:

    This could be tied in with the longevity problem. Lump sum on retirement as long as they agreed to be topped before they reached an agreed age, could save the taxpayer billions.

  168. 168
    Anonymous says:

    Just saw guido on the BBC… what’s all that about having your mail box full of supporting messages? This page is full of people telling him his proposal stinks, for turning into the daily mail, for elevating pigs to the status of innocent children and being a publicity whore.

  169. 169
    Now THIS petition I agree with says:

    There’s a petition calling for prisoners’ diets to be restricted to bread and water “as in the good old days”. :-D

  170. 170
    Alan Douglas says:

    Trying to sign up I get “Something went wrong” several times at different stages.

    What a surprise …

    Alan Douglas

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    Spartacus says:

    Or ‘just retribution’

  172. 172
    Grumpy Old Man says:

    Vengeance, Billy, which you and many others are confusing with a desire by the public to see punishment fitting for the enormity of the crime committed. Is a whopping fine and points on a driver’s licence fitting punishment for going 5 mph over a purely arbitary speed limit? Should Devine have been released from the pokey after an indecently short time serving an indecently short sentence for a crime against the taxpayer? And should a serial murderer be allowed to continue his life after notching up 3 victims? It’s not vengeance, but a need to balance the punishment to the crime, which is so lacking in the UK.

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    choices choices says:

    There’s loads of capital punishment epetitions

  174. 174
    Spartacus says:

    All this jumping up and down about something that wont happen, and meanwhile in Somalia millions are starving and many already dead.
    Their crime?

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    rocknrolla says:

    Think we would be better off trying to get life to mean life – to me that’s an even better deterrent than hanging anyway plus at least in the case of a miscarriage of justice there can be some, albeit late, redress.

    But Guido is right that the current system is getting laughable, the ordinary public are frequently scared, the criminal class, armed with the idiotic “Human Rights Act”, have no fear – this situation is not compatible with a civilised society.

  176. 176
    fitaloon says:

    The e-petitions system appears to be hung. It has died.

  177. 177
    Drum says:

    That’s the problem with democracy. Even morons get to have an opinion and vote.

  178. 178
    misterned says:

    I tried to create a petition on a binding referendum on EU membership and their site keeps crashing.

    Over 300 signatures on the restore capital punishment petition so far.

  179. 179
    jingouk says:

    Continual crashing on e-petitions site. The ‘Humphries’ trying to shake us off.

  180. 180
    THE BOSH says:

    everytime u go to vote on the goverment website it says soory there is a problem
    with this page ?????????????????


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    Billy Bowden is the greatest umpire ever ! says:

    More like one poster using oodles of different names.

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    see below says:

    Fuck right off.

  183. 183
    jrand says:

    Privatise executions, make the condemned pay for their sentences!

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    Billy Bowden is the greatest umpire ever ! says:


  186. 186
    THE BOSH says:


    give them nothing death is a consequence ??

    CONDOMS that wat they need birth control ?
    Live aid 1985 did it work NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO.

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    Billy Bowden is the greatest umpire ever ! says:

    Life should mean life.

    Not 10 years.

    I just dont believe in the death pen, Guido states “an eye for an eye” (Sharia law) as his “Justice” which, on murderers seems “Ok”, But then to extend it to the meaning, we would have no need for prison.

    Car thiefs= Steal the thiefs car

    Assault= Beat up the offender

    Rape=Rape the rapist


    That is not justice, that is vengence.

  188. 188
    Maggie's Thatch says:

    Don’t miss Margaret on BBC 4 tonight, about Thatcher’s last 11 days in office. It’ll be worth watching just for the brilliant Ian McDiarmid as Denis.

  189. 189
    Really? says:

    ‘Capital punishment could only improve the rights of victims if it deterred potential murderers. It doesn’t.’

    Utter tosh and you know it.

    The murder rate is more than double than that before abolition, manslaughter rates are far higher as are violent crime figures.
    When you lie, it’s best that you do it with people who do not have access to the official numbers.

  190. 190
    Eileen Critchley says:

    What’s the opposite of the Loony Left?

    Anyway, the Police are just too corrupt and incompetent to allow the death penalty.

    I think someone has been sat in the sun for a bit too long!

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    I am in complete agreement with you. But I was born in the year that the Boccherini Quintet was formed and I imagine, from your posts, that you are of similar vintage. Those of us who were born into a time of hanging, saw miscarriages of justice and believe in Blackstone’s formulation find it strange that others can put blind faith in those areas of State which have proved themselves so disastrously wrong in recent decades.

  192. 192
    Joe Ratface Zinger & Moo Ham Mad says:

    Joe: I’m the Peedoh Pope and I endorse the death penalty.

    Moo: I’m the Peedoh Prophet and I endorse the death penalty.

  193. 193
    El Diablo says:

    If the whinging liberals complain about bringing back capital punishment we should say fine ok…but we will remove secure wings and special treatment and put all the kiddy fiddlers and rapists into general population and let the real hard bastard prisoners give them a special warm welcome.

  194. 194
    Walter Wolfgang says:

    I didn’t survive the Hol-o-caust so I could see my country give the state the power to kill. I’ve already been held under the Prevention of Terrorism Act for heckling. Good thing we didn’t have the death penalty then! Those Labour types are a touch heavy handed as I discovered for myself.

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    Anonymous says:

    You are never going to get the reintroduction of the death penalty, there are too many good reasons not to. Your petition should call for debate on making life in prison mean LIFE if the death penalty is not introduced.

    We need tough prisons and proper life sentences for the murderers.. Then there is no need for the death penalty

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    Grumpy Old Man says:

    You forgot Singapore, which co-incidently is one of the most crime-free nations in the world.

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    Grumpy Old Man says:

    In a sense you could. All four would never allow it to be used. exept possibly Jaqui would make an exception for Tory MPs holding the Labour Government to account.

  199. 199
    Grumpy Old Man says:

    Standard Govt. answer for everything then.

  200. 200
    RB says:

    Capital punishment is the epitome of the wishes of the uneducated mob and the failure of state officials to rightly denegrate state murder.

  201. 201
    Grumpy Old Man says:

    It’s the way things are going. Many a true word spoken in jest.

  202. 202
    RB says:

    The fact that Guido seems to be hard for this all of a sudden makes me treat anything he says with suspicion. Anyone who wants to give the state power to murder its citizens clearly has a screw loose.

  203. 203
    twobells says:

    It’s impossible to connect to Paul’s E Petition, i can access any other petition but not his, all I get is the directgov ‘something’s wrong’ message.
    While it may be overflow it is suspect.

  204. 204
    Grumpy Old Man says:

    Just what has the deliberate taking of a human life got to do with a natural disaster? If you are that bothered, rather than looking for another piece of shit to hurl, organise a fund-raising activity in aid of starving east africans. I’ll contribute.

  205. 205
    sockpuppet #4 says:

    Good job Damilola Taylor smiled nicely for his school photo, otherwise that would have been a really poor story.

  206. 206
    Bob says:

    Too fucking many of them for the food they produce.

    Stop them fuking and having babies for say 10 years until they can produce enough food to feed all the people.

    Why should we send money when you see a 25 year old with 5 children complaining she has no food, NOT FUCKING ROCKET SCIENCE

  207. 207
    Selohesra says:

    Sadistic C*nt more like

  208. 208
    Half eyed Scottish Idiot says:

    HaHa!! I went on the govt website and it says ;-


    They can say that again

  209. 209
    Steve Page says:

    I have been trying for hours, while I can load any other petition Mr Staines link (whether direct from here or through the e petition list) all I get for his petition is:

    Sorry, something went wrong.
    We are very sorry, but we were unable to complete your last action.

    We have been notified about the problem and will resolve it as quickly as possible.

    Please click on the button below to return to the home page.

    Return to home page

  210. 210
    Steve Page says:

    Yup, its absolutely sickening how far we have fallen when it comes to state competence.

  211. 211
    Raving Loon says:

    Things which are too far would include anything which reduces government power of spending, as apposed to the pretend Tory cuts which only reduce planned increases in government spending, not actual cuts which means we spend less this year than we did last year.

  212. 212
    sockpuppet #4 says:

    “There was outrage over the treatment of Milly’s parents at the Old Bailey trial”
    So we’re going to rake through all the details yet again for your entertainment.

    Thats not news is it. a bit old.

  213. 213
    Weak willed liberal says:

    I suspect it’s more to create mischief. The wording ‘review all treaties and international commitments’ suggest Guido ig after the EU.

  214. 214
    sockpuppet #4 says:

    “Mr Really?” Many things have happened in the last 50 years. Society is less reverent and people exercise less self control in all sorts of different ways. Everyone knows this is not to do with the death penalty, but is indeed the fault of popular music and the electrical bass guitar.

  215. 215
    Steve Page says:

    Site’s gone down (shakes head in disbelief)

  216. 216
    Steve Page says:

    Oops! Google Chrome could not connect to

  217. 217
    Stephen says:

    Very Sad.

  218. 218
    William Trowther Blemworth says:

    Guido is hanging his blog with this campaign

  219. 219
    Ichabod says:

    Might be able to get the spineless shower to debate banning the burqua then.

  220. 220
    Stinkfinger says:

    There is currently a labour MP trying to get a bill through Parliament that would increase the sentence for dangerous driving to 7 years.
    He has brought all the emotional tools out the box to make his point.Including statements from victims families.
    The strategy of using emotion to pass laws and regulation is not confined to the ‘right’ at all.
    In fact the ‘left’ use this tactic all the time.
    It only becomes a ‘populist’ ‘reactionary’ ‘kneejerk’ topic when it doesn’t happen to suit them.

  221. 221
    Xavier Onassis says:

    Tried to get onto the link “sorry, there has been a problem, unable to open this” was the response from our government. Surprise, surprise!

    Terrorism should be added to the chop list. We should have had the guts to hang Gerry Adams, Martin McGuinness and the rest of their criminal gang. But that would probably mean we’d have to string up a few mohammedans in the future, and we all know this crowd must be appeased at every opportunity!

    It’s all window dressing. The juggernaut will roll on as before, and stuff anyone who wants something different.

  222. 222
    Steve Page says:

    update: 13:30 SKY NEWS:

    Left Wing politicians are calling for the ‘death penalty’ E Petition to be disallowed due to ‘abuse of process’ after ‘right wing blogs’ promoted it.
    Typical socialist ideology if they cannot control it…ban it.

  223. 223
    Anonymous says:

    HM Government

    Sorry, something went wrong.

    They ain’t shittin’…

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    Michael says:

    The red herring here is that your assumption that any judicial system utilising the death penalty should be considered robust and effective. The obvious counterpoint is the United States currently houses 2.3 million prisoners, or 25% of the world’s prison population. Texas has the fourth highest incarceration rate in the US, with around 150,000 prisoners – double the amount in UK prisons. It has had 472 executions since 1982. Its current penal budget is $3billion, a figure that has tripled in 20 years. Clearly, the threat of the death penalty has not led to budget savings. You don’t even need to make a moral case for the death penalty when the economic reasoning is so absurd.

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    Grumpy Old Man says:

    Note the ‘a’ in vengeance, Billy. An eye for an eye, is Old Testament and is common to all 3 religions of the Book. I’m not suggesting an eye for an eye, I’m suggesting more appropriate punishments, with state execution as a last resort. Life meaning life is a good idea which should be implemented. It’s worth remembering that Stalin made his name as a terrorist and armed robber who personally murdered many even before he became ruler of all the Russias. He was imprisoned several times by the Tsarist regime. If he’s been topped for his serial murders, the world would arguably be a better place.

  227. 227
    An impartial observer says:

    The British Police. Along with the NHS, British Army, Postal Service, BBC etc etc often described as the ‘envy of the world’
    Unless you’ve had experience of the rest of the world….when you do start to wonder who exactly’s doing the envying

  228. 228
    Jimmy says:

    It’s not working. Do you think Piers has hacked it?

  229. 229
    Michael says:

    Presumably you have a back up plan in mind if they refuse to pay up for their own death?

  230. 230
    Dilligaff says:

    Sorry, something went wrong.

    We are very sorry, but we were unable to complete your last action.

    We have been notified about the problem and will resolve it as quickly as possible.

    In the meantime, here’s some soothing music whilst we fuck you about enough to prevent your garnering the requisite 100,000 signatures.

  231. 231
    Changi says:

    And one of the most tightly controlled and regulated ones too! Order! Order! There must be ORDER!

  232. 232
    Five Lies says:

    #crimesworthyoftherope is top of UK’s Twitter trends! Fascinating watching Sky News tie itself in knots trying not to mention Guido’s involvement in it.

  233. 233
    Grumpy Old Man says:

    The hon. Gentleman makes a very good point and eventually we will get to the position that the argument will be debated in a rational way by rational people on both sides. I’m not holding my breath though.

  234. 234
    Steve Page says:


  235. 235
    Charles Flaccidwidger says:

    But killing innocent people is an inevitable consequence of the death penalty.

  236. 236
    Dilligaff says:

    How much to keep one of the poor misunderstood darlings in nick for the rest of his life, ensuring that his human rights are not infringed and how much does 15 foot of rope cost? There is a reason, plain as a pikestaff.

  237. 237
    Rog says:

    There are also several incredibly similar petitions on the government’s site…

    Looks like they’ve allowed them to dilute the number of signatures you get.

    Only sign the “real” one

  238. 238
    Lomax says:

    I am going to put a petition on there, if they ever get the website working – ” HMG should not try to do anything with any form of IT because they are completely incompetent and do not know how to do IT”

    Useless tossers – entirely predictable that they would fuck up. The question now is, will it (the epetitionss site/idea) just be swept under the carpet/left broken now that they realise that folks really would like to tell this useless bunch of posh tossers in charge, what they want? Were the head prefect and his fags thinking that we are all apathetic and nowt sensible would be proposed?


  239. 239
    Jimmy says:

    By the way, so far as I can remember the petition site operated perfectly well under the last government.

    I’m just saying…

  240. 240
    Dilligaff says:

    Interesting that that link works perfectly and yet Guido’s petition is verboten, nicht wahr?
    So, it would seem that the website’s ‘problems’ are selective.

  241. 241
    Rog says:

    Right, so the hundreds that are murdered each year because of the abolition of the death penalty are justified in your mind because it’s cheaper to let the murderers out after a few years, rather than execute them?

    That’s pretty messed up logic.

  242. 242
    Grumpy Old Man says:

    At no point did I say or even imply that a robust and effective judicial system necessarily includes a death penalty. A stream of tractor factory statistics does not make a case for anything, and you have made no attempt to refute my point about the government’s duty to protect the population from serious harm,the cost being a secondary consideration. You need to try much harder. C+

  243. 243
    Grumpy Old Man says:

    Put it on benefits?

  244. 244
    Rog says:

    That was supposed to be in reply to Biddy, comment #101.

  245. 245
    Hear No Evil says:

    It’s not accepting signatures at the moment!

  246. 246
    Rog says:

    Even worse, what if the condemned refused to be executed!

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    the sun says guilty-must be true says:

    your surely forgetting that this group wish to have The Sun decide then rip the ‘guilty’ to peices with their bare hands. That costs just the price of The Sun and a bit on the dry cleaning.

    Maybe we should bring back fox hunting then they can get your blood.

    I do agree in principle with capital punishment, but its so unsafe to know for sure that the person is guilty. People make mistakes.

  248. 248
    Taffy the Sheep says:

    if (number_yes_votes > 500) {

  249. 249
    Froggy says:

    What a pity Holly Wells and Jessica Chapman weren’t ugly black girls.

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    Cynic says:

    This scares them

  252. 252
    Rog says:

    No it’s not murder.

    The state doesn’t “murder” savage dogs that kill, they remove a dangerous and proven threat from society.

    It should be the same with 100% proven murderers.

  253. 253
    Richard Cooke says:

    Completely agree with Capital Punishment which should be applied for all murderers and for rape of a minor. I frankly do not know whether or not it is a deterrent. The evidence is inconclusive. I don’t think it encourages anyone! Pure and simple this is about Justice. We should have a referendum and trust what the people decide, not leave it to the spineless political class who have for generations failed to deliver effective punishments. I have read of numerous cases of murderers who have been released from prison and killed again. Most of those potential “miscarriages of justice” involved defendants who were career criminals anyway! Hardly a great loss to society.

  254. 254
    Jacob Stoatgobbler says:

    So we have a self-certified Irishman demanding British Politicians change British Laws (from which self-cert has protected himself with offshore status) demanding a return to an abandoned 1950s penal code…..Even the Irish got rid of it for good in 2002. We have never had it so good, clearly. Will this improve it? Is the number of wrongful executions in the US not a sobering enough statistic?

    I am truly sorry for the British treatment of the Irish through the ages, but this seems a bit of a round-about route to even the numbers up a bit, don’t you think?

  255. 255
    bnzss says:

    Honestly didn’t think people were still in favour of the death penalty.

    Oh well, at least I know now where all the nutters are. Heh.

  256. 256
    Rog says:

    Try again with the same email address. You’ll be told if your sig has been accepted.

  257. 257
    Ivan Upcock says:

    Back-to-back years of drought have caused it. Look out of the window and give thanks that you live in a wet country where all the livestock don’t die of thirst.
    (They die due to the government infecting animals with foot and mouth, but that’s another matter.)

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    I am Jon Monday says:

    Duty Functionary for the Office of Prisioner Extinguishment
    Salary: 6.08 Per Hour 8.15am – 6.45pm Monday to Saterday

    Do you enjoy one to one contact with disadvantaged groups? Can you compassionately and professionally support our inmates to the bright lights of a premature death?

    A recent new position in the new Office of Prisioner Extinguishment has arisen.

    You will have three years experience working in a detention facility and be able to cope under pressure, flicking one switch each day and fixing the photocopier and printer the rest of the time whilst filling in paperwork from other departments.

    To recieve our short 500 page application visit

    Duty Manager for the Office of Prisioner Extinguishment
    Salary: 45,000 per annum pro rata 35 hour week flexible working

    Can you liase between the Justice Ministry, The prisons department, The Howard League, The Human Lague, The League of Extrodinary Gentlemen, Dr Watson, Mr. Holmes, Kojak, The Chuckle Brothers, David Cameron, and Nick Clegg?

    We can’t. So we need a dynamic self-starting manager with 12 years experience of managing things which are difficult. Working in the new department of the Office of Prisioner Extinguishment you will manage a tightly knit team of one Duty Functionary. Can you make their life a living hell whilst achieving little and not making too much of a fuss?

    Get in touch through the usual channels. The Second Cubicle. 8.30pm.

    Press Officer for the Office of Prisioner Extinguishment
    Salary: 67,000 per annum pro rata 20 hour week working from home and in field.

    To apply for this job you will have to be a woman, preferably asian or black and attractive enough that we will not be embarrased putting your photo on our website for the general public of grieving families and victorious victims to shout rude things at your answerphone whilst you liase with other departments and visit numerous restaurants on work time.

    To apply : Call Dave or get Samantha to remind him before beddy bye time.

  259. 259
    Is this the Daily Mail? says:

    This is silly. Are you lot sanguine about the innocent people murdered by the State as a result? Capital Punishment makes us no better than the murderers themselves.

  260. 260
    Is this the Daily Mail? says:

    Justice? Vengeance more like, which is not a noble emotion.

  261. 261
    Anonymous says:

    Yeah,like Barry George.

    You lot want to send this country backwards,just like the bible bashin’ USA.

  262. 262
    Axe The Telly Tax says:

    Did they use the same IT firm that the NHS used for their records :-)

  263. 263
    Anonymous says:

    Your petition – 592

    Petition to keep the ban – 743


    Off to the gallows with you.

  264. 264
    Axe The Telly Tax says:

    Not if the people decide in a referendum. Then it will be the will of the people, not the will of any one party.

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    Get a grip says:

    MP’s are not delegates. They are supposed to use their own judgement. If constituents feel that strongly about any position a MP takes up they are free to vote against them in the next election.
    That’s how our Constitution works. There is not a snow ball in Hell’s chance of the restoration of the death penalty and if any of you feel so strongly about that particular issue you have at least 2 options.

    a. Run for office yourself on that issue.
    b. Vote against your MP at the next election.

    People often claim strong feelings on individual subjects, but usually not enough to affect they way they vote.
    Incidentally this petition will backfire on those of us on the right, by providing grist to the mill of those on the left who seek to portray us as the nasty party. The priority at the moment should be a debate on membership of the EU. For the future of this country that is far more important than restoration of the death penalty.

  266. 266
    Peace says:

    Signed :)

  267. 267
    Axe The Telly Tax says:

    When i try to confirm my email it says sorry, something went wrong.

    Sounds like the powers that be are trying to nobble it.

  268. 268
    Anonymous says:

    807 to 618 now. Excellent!

  269. 269
    Icarus says:

    Guido Fawkes was hung. He had the strength, just, to climb high on the scaffold so that when he dropped his neck broke. Had he not done so the other bits of his punishment might have been carried out whilst he was still conscious.

    The death penalty is barbaric.

  270. 270
    Drew Pecock says:

    They have already started to find a way to ignore your petition, there is NO WAY these arrogant tossers in parlement will ever carry out the wishes of the public majority. You can petion for as long as you have got a hole in your arse on hanging, leaving the EU, banning immigration ect it will make fuck all difference. They will ignore you. Rememer Blairs promise on the lisbon treaty and Camerons CAST IRON GARENTEE. The are both fucking liars

    I will state hear and now that FUCK ALL wil come of this petition except a load of hot air and wafle in the HOC and LORDS

  271. 271
    twobells says:

    Silly boy, the pro death penalty petition was down for over two hours as it crashed the board.

  272. 272
    Hard-Lazing Voter says:

    I don’t support the death penalty, but I love this for making the British progs throw a hard shitfit. Case in point:

    Classy, huh? Bunch of nobheads.

  273. 273
    Anonymous says:

    Oh dear, 939 to 655.

    This is embarrassing for you Guido.

  274. 274
    Anonymous says:

    I couldn’t sign the anti-death penalty petition for two hours either.

    975 plays 657.

  275. 275
    Anonymous says:

    The anti- petition just put on another 100 in the space of 5 mins.

  276. 276
    Anonymous says:

    Haha – the keep the death penalty petition heads into 4 figures…..massive FAIL, Guido.

  277. 277
    Kevin T says:

    HM Government

    Sorry, something went wrong.

    Yes, on 28th November 1990.

  278. 278
    non believer says:

    Stalin being locked up for life would have had the same result numb nuts

    Why you’re bringing the bible into this is beyond me, religion influencing government policy?

    Go fuck yourself.

  279. 279
    Northern Convert says:

    “ I do not like playing the part, but I accepted it at once without seeing the script. I have never felt so totally involved in any part as this. It is a most devastating statement on capital punishment.[2]
    Quote from Richard Attenbourgh playing the part of Christie in Ten Rillington Place.
    Evans was executed in 1950 and pardond in 1966. The only winners would be the media, were the death penalty to be reinstated!

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    Steve Page says:

    When you add in the forty other pro capital punishment petitions it comes in at approx 1,6000 so far.

  281. 281
    Cynical Old Man says:

    The police have gone the same way of all the public services, that is too many have joined in order to gain promotion as fast as possible. Any form of public service ethic has been replaced by overweening self interest. The problems started in all our public services when they began to recruit graduates instead of people who saw the job as a vocation.

    You could say that they’ve all been corrupted by ambition. The services were became corrupt when the police, NHS, teaching, etc. stopped being vocations and became “careers”.

    Until public duty replaces self interest things will never change.

  282. 282
    non believer says:

    yup, they should follow the lead of this blog and it’s inhabitants

    nothing but genteel, reasoned and cogent debate can be found here.

  283. 283
    Steve Page says:

    When you add in the forty other pro capital punishment petitions it averages out at approx 1,600 to date.

  284. 284
    Axe The Telly Tax says:

    Just say the last PM but one and his press secretary :-)

  285. 285
    twobells says:

    re: “I couldn’t access the anti petition.”

    That’s weird everyone I know could log into the anti death penalty petition np, yet the pro death penalty page was down consistently due to attempted access.

  286. 286
    Anonymous says:

    Are you saying that death penalty supporters are morons who can’t work out which petition to sign? Fair enough…….

  287. 287
    Anonymous says:

    No it doesn’t, it doesn’t even make 1,000.

  288. 288
    Axe The Telly Tax says:

    But killing innocent people is an inevitable consequence of abortion and motor vehicles.

  289. 289
    Steve Page says:

    Crazy, even searching ‘restore death penalty’ throws up constant error messages.

  290. 290
    Steve Page says:

    (on the E Petition website)

  291. 291
    Steve Page says:

    It comes out at 1,539 total as of 15:16 hours.

  292. 292
    Jim Miller says:

    Don’t leave the States out: they executed Cameron Todd Willingham for child murder because he had a Led Zeppelin poster on his wall.

  293. 293
    Axe The Telly Tax says:

    And Japan.

  294. 294
    Axe The Telly Tax says:

    Same firm that did the NHS computer system :-)

  295. 295
    Axe The Telly Tax says:

    Exactly why it should be put to the people in a referendum.

  296. 296
    Hard-Lazing Voter says:

    I’m sure you conveniently ignore the private petition that’s been taking place.

    Massive fail, you say? Indeed.

  297. 297
    Hard-Lazing Voter says:

    Its inhabitants. Possessives.

    Come on, Fabians, I thought you were supposed to be intelligent.

  298. 298
    Michael says:

    Fine, I take your point. I agree that the government – or more accurately, the state – has a duty to protect its population from serious harm. However, for me to refute your point, you’re going to have to try a bit harder and suggest what serious harm might look like, and whether we’re currently at risk from it in the current state of affairs. As it stands, I think we’re perfectly fine from most risk – that is, we do not suffer serious harm on anything close to a regular basis – so the money spent on the criminal justice system is, on a rational level, appropriate. You seem to be advocating a potentially limitless spend on criminal justice, which makes no sense given that a state can only function within logical economic parameters. Over spending, as so many on this site regularly note, would constrain the state to the point of collapse. This extreme situation is worse than the current state of affairs. The murder of a child is horrifying, however, it is not a regular occurrence. Ditto with police officers. The economic basis for sanctioning capital punishment, which is to completely ignore the moral basis, would therefore seem deficient.

  299. 299
    Albert Pierrepoint II says:

    I would lower him to about eight feet below floor level. With luck I’ll get the drop calculation wrong and he’ll either be throttled slowly or his head will be pulled off; he’s a fat c*nt.

  300. 300
    Reader losing faith in our values says:

    Wow… what are we becoming?
    The reaction to the constant media magnification of horrific events (is that what you are counting on Guido?);
    lets reverse our respect for life and move back into an “eye for an eye” barbarism.
    It is unbelievable that Guido Fawkes would be promoting the self-centered,
    hypocritical act of murdering murderers.
    And is this only for those who kill police and children?
    What if my grandmother is murdered? Not applicable?
    What a joke. We really are losing our culture and identity as a fair, considerate, ethical country that seeks to improve the human condition and I have assumed for my entire life that the hypocritical idea of capital punishment was long past us…
    Left to the likes of USA, China, Iran and several other minor players globally.
    Where they spend more money trying to kill someone than keeping them in detention for life, where we at LEAST have a chance to understand what they have done.
    For example in Norway, this despicable killer is alive.
    OK many people would simply want to see him hung by his privates and tortured.
    But what does that do for anyone?
    Now there is a chance to understand the bastard and learn that actually, many private citizens think like him about their nationality.
    If he was dead at this point, we would know NOTHING more about Norwegian far right activities, and the recent attention towards the English Defense League would have not occurred.
    How long until we see something like that in our country?

    We cannot bury our heads in the sand by executing killers and not asking questions which are far more difficult than satisfying some fraction of the public who have blood lust and are therefore potential enactors of violence themselves.
    The public is agreed – we dont like violence. We hate it, we read about it and shake our heads and call for action. It sells papers. So, why promote sanctioned murder?
    One thing that capital punishment would accomplish is pandering to right wing media; bring back colonialism while you are at it!

    Clearly this is a distraction tactic for another political move as of yet unknown.
    Why on EARTH would this discussion come up now?
    Is that what the British public want? I think under 700 people have signed the petition so far (04 Aug 2011; 1515 BST).

    Sorry Guido (whatever you are, for I no longer know),
    I feel you are now playing all your readers right into the hands of some unknown agenda. It is a pathetic and one dimensional reactionary idea that screams of favouritism and appeasing newspapers such as News of the World (oh, nevermind thats redundant)…

    Perhaps this is the story that the new NOTW replacement sunday paper will need to kick start its bloody minded exploitative campaigns that will no doubt continue to confuse and distract people from truly important events.
    Or is this CP petition coming now, because the Euro seems to be crashing?
    Just the time to reverse our ethical societal values as we must “move away from Europe”? That will be the line I suppose.

    I have never been an advocate of the Euro, but our shared values of humanity, surely we want to be aligned to those in Europe? In some cases I am sure we lead by example – not if we go back to CP, especially a socially selective form which would send completely the wrong message to all those potential criminals that we are so afraid of…

    And me, I am afraid of all those angry people here who feel they can judge whether someone should live or die based on what they are reading in a newspaper. Why are we still believing their rubbish? Didnt the NOTW and new investigations bring some realization that they are not the seekers of truth but writers of controversy? A shame now that Guido joins their ranks. I suppose now everyone who is not in favour of executing killers is themselves a paedophile rapist killer sympathiser!

    A.G. – London

  301. 301
    Kevin T says:

    While people like you are in charge, not long.

  302. 302
    Rog says:

    It is NOT unsafe to come to a 100% conclusion in most cases.

    Is anybody seriously saying for example there is any doubt about the guilt of Anders Behring Breivik?

    It amazes me that the handwringers would be OK if the guy had been shot dead at the scene of the crime, but would shriek if he was executed after a fair trial.

  303. 303
    Kevin T says:

    Do you think they’ll allow my petition to go live?

    The title is “Kick Ed Balls up the arse”.

  304. 304
    MI6 says:

    Really, What was the Population when this Great Country had the Capital Puishment? And aren’t the Plods Scientific support the reason why what once would have passed as natural causes.
    1. The odd home fire with you in it
    2. The odd drowning
    3. Posioning
    A good reason for the higher Murder rate, and the last time I looked at Crime watch I think a bit of our Colonial Cousins may have pushed up the rate. We could just call for the deportation of all ethnic minorities and that might fix it. Why you want to justify Killing people is beyond me. Poor Sally Clarke would have never had the chance to be found innocent of the most henious of Child Killing Crime that she was convicted for.

  305. 305
    MI6 says:

    Here Here, Stick that in your Pipe Guido. I think you are all at Sea. Lets get back to some serious discourse about the Politcal Class

  306. 306
    Well Paid Shill says:

    This will end up just like the “Big Repeal” website did, lots of suggestions and bugger all action

  307. 307
    Rog says:

    UK foreign aid 2011-12 is a mere £8.7 BILLION quid.

    Why not give it to aid India’s space programme or Pakistan’s nuclear weapons research?

    Not like the UK has £TRILLIONS of debt, is it?

    Dig deep, borrow to give to others, increase our misery.

    It’s the socialist way.

  308. 308
    Anonymous says:

    If you knew how loosely terrorism is defined you would not say that.

    At its most expansive, TA 2000 allows; THREAT of an action to influence the government and for furthering a cause, which creates a serious RISK to health or safety of some people.

    If guido suggested that if he doesn’t get his debate he will send his followers to protest, and if that protest was feared to be capable of affecting the safety of the public, he would be a terrorist.

  309. 309
    non believer says:


    neither were accessible by me

  310. 310
    Vast majority of the public says:

    Most people want murderers executed. FACT.

    In a democracy the will of the majority rules. FACT.

    Hang the scum.

  311. 311
    Joseph Yossarian says:

    Should I ever be called to Jury service on a case where the death penalty would result I would vote not guilty.

    On the assumption that there are others like me, it is highly possible that the existance of a death penalty could mean that murderers walk free.

    Which makes me think that more crims would try to get away with muder because of people like me.

    Which means that the death penalty does zero to deter crime. Could be the opposite.

  312. 312
    Ol' Blue Eyes says:

    The people of this country in general have never shared your values. Just because your sort has managed to dominate certain key professions, don’t fool yourself into thinking you are representative of the country and its values. You aren’t.

  313. 313
    Anonymous says:

    3 options;

    a. Run for office yourself on that issue.
    b. Vote against your MP at the next election.

    or c. Move to Iran/China/USA etc.

  314. 314
    Axe The Telly Tax says:

    Funny how i can sign all the other e-petitions except Guido’s.

    I’ve tried 3 different email addresses and when i click the link i get a sorry message or page not found.

    Then you can’t use the same email again.

    Definitely being deliberatly nobbled by the government.

  315. 315
    Steve Page says:

    They didn’t just dominate certain professions they deliberately infiltrated them in order to indoctrinate young minds (teaching) and in others to promote socialist ideology via mass mediums.
    Just look at how they behaved in government: ruined the nation.
    What did they do after being chucked out: attempted to ruin the nation.

  316. 316
    Steve Page says:

    Yup it has happened to hundreds of people so far.

  317. 317
    Sir Barrington Minge says:


  318. 318
    Steve Page says:

    DIrectGov just admitted they were flooded and the ‘restore’ page has been having trouble since 12:00 hrs but it’s starting to operate successfully again now.

  319. 319
    non believer says:

    And so the pathetic search for excuses starts; bullshit tales of being able to sign all of the petitions but not being able to sign Guido’s are surely only the beginning; some one else earlier in the thread was trying to make out that only Guido’s petition was crashing.

    Pretty feeble.

    In any case I just signed Guido’s waste of time petition (purely for shits and giggles as it’s clear it’s not going to make a blind bit of difference) and it worked just fine for me.

    Carry on making shit up if it makes you fell better tho.

  320. 320
    Five Lies says:

    Odd that a petition that has so far garnered only 825 signatures should have gained so much traction in the media and seemingly crashed a government website.

    It must be that it has surfaced during the Silly Season in a gap between Rupert Murdoch being questioned after News International’s near-implosion and the restart of Big Brother.

  321. 321
    Sir Barrington Minge says:

    Bollocks….talking through your arsehole!!!!!!

  322. 322
    Anonymous says:

    Correct- the whole site is affected by the problems, not just one petition. Keep on with the conspiracy theories, twobells.

  323. 323
    Anonymous says:

    The whole site is fucked, not just one petition.

  324. 324
    Anonymous says:

    Bang on, the whole site is being screwed by the level of traffic, not just a single petition. Another wonderful IT success!

  325. 325
    Mata Hari says:

    And one of the most oppressive and godawful places to live, with a crushingly over-powerful state.

  326. 326
    Five Lies says:

    Their guerrilla war on us started a long time ago.

  327. 327
    Anonymous says:

    The only ones that count are on the website, I think you’ll find. Now 2 to 1 against Guido. But keep the excuses coming, they are rather amusing.

  328. 328
    Boots McGonagle says:

    There won’t be any debate, nor any vote. Even if tyhe threshold is reached, it will be claimed that there is no point in a debate because there is no room for manoeuvre in European Law.

    Sorry, Gweed, but you are going to be robbed of the pleasure of seeing some poor retard swing for a crime he didn’t commit.

  329. 329
    repel all nutters says:

    Lol look at the mis-spelling conspiratard gathering now. Lets look at more craziness. The G’ment couldn’t put up a website that would work properly. What’s new? Too many hits. Perhaps the concentrated assault of stupidity, caused it to Go Home, The other site which was an equal nutter magnet crashed under the heavy weight of comments about Raoul Moat. It burned when it was first setup too. And was widely ignored by our Government as being full of cranks. Mind you this site is acting like a slug too, that’ll be because of all the crap Guido has loaded it with.

  330. 330
    Jack Ketch'em says:

    If voting changed anything they would hang it.

  331. 331
    Hard-Lazing Voter says:

    Right, because the other tens of thousand of signatures don’t exist.

    Nice work, Anonymong, it takes real commitment to be that stupid.

  332. 332
    lol says:

    Currently the #1 e-petition on the site

  333. 333
    Anonymous says:

    You don’t understand how this e-petition thing works, do you.

  334. 334
    Anonymous says:

    Such a waste of money if the death penalty ever gets debated by Parliament.

  335. 335
    Stephen Willhoughby says:

    I was under the impression libertarians did not trust the state to run anything.

    So why do they now want to give the state back the power to murder?

    And now that we know for certain that our government and our police force are corrupt to the bone, why would anyone entrust them with anything? If the state and big businesses such as NI can be so entwined, then are we 100% sure there will never be any cover ups? 100% sure no innocent man will ever be fitted up by the police?

    Sorry, I don’t trust them. So I fail to see why anyone else would.

    Two words come to mind whenever I hear people wanting to reinstate the death penalty: “Birmingham” and “Six”.

  336. 336
    To the Gallows! says:

    Great poll Mr F, but I think the terms are a trifle narrow? Surely we should extend hanging offenses to include drink-driving? After all, there is clear statistical evidence to link drink-driving to increased road deaths. Drink-drivers are also notorious recidivists, often being convicted more than once for the crime! Surely by hanging these sad fucks before they run over a young child or (god forbid) an on-duty police officer would be the best way of safeguarding our fragile society? What do you think?

  337. 337
    Hard-Lazing Voter says:

    You don’t understand how “petitioning” works in general, do you, Anonymong?

    Proggies making up their own rules as they go along doesn’t work anymore, I’m afraid.

  338. 338
    Anonymous says:

    Guido – I think you need to educate your followers as to how this e-petition thing works. Some appear to be under the impression that the government will count signatures collected elsewhere.

  339. 339
    Anonymous says:

    If you think that the government will include signatures collected on a “private” petition in the e-petition total, then, in the context of “making up rules as we go along”, you are most definitely a “Proggie.”

  340. 340
    David Laws Lib Dem fiddler says:

    Bring back hanging for all murder convictions and manslaughter.

  341. 341
    Simon says:

    In fairness, I’m sure that even Guido himself would have to admit that seeing the anti Death Penalty petition getting twice as many signatures as his is really rather funny…

  342. 342
    Simon says:

    If the will of the majority rules, then do you think it’s relevant that the petition to keep our ban of the Death Penalty has got so many more signatures than the one to bring it back?

  343. 343
    Anonymous says:

    How many “hang Nelson Mandela” t-shirts did you sell before Tebbit closed your rabid FCS faction?

  344. 344
    Wayne And Waynetta's Sugar Daddy says:

    F1 more popular than hanging

  345. 345
    Sir Terrence VI says:

    So funny reading the stupid lefty comments like “i think those who sign the petition should be first to receive it” and “what if you allowed your son to be executed”

    it’d be a whole different story if they found out that their son/daughter was raped and murdered by a remorseless psycho peadophile who then takes the prison to court because he got raped and shanked in the showers by “Big Daddy” Winston O’Cripes

    plus if people brought their kids up better they wouldn’t be facing the end of the rope in the first place… idiots

  346. 346
    john in cheshire says:

    Guido, I tend to favour the restoration of capital punishment.
    But, there is maybe a question of timing. If it is restored now, then the powers in charge could use it to eliminate rebellious elements in our country, when the eventually arise. At least, for the moment, an insurrection would only result in incarceration (unless, of course, Cressida Dick is on duty at the time). The time to reintroduce capital punishment, is once we have regained control over our country and our enemies are in custody, because they should be the first to feel the benefit.

  347. 347
    John says:

    Actually the anti death penalty petition is getting nearer to three times as many votes. Stick that in your pipe mate you evil ****

  348. 348
    Anonymous says:

    It’s hilarious how bad Guido’s petition, with the plugging in newspapers, is doing compared to a petition set up by a nobody.

  349. 349
    Anonymous says:

    Your opinion might be worth more if you could spell

  350. 350
    Abject Apathy says:

    I have mixed feelings about this because I am a rape victim who for a long time has wanted the death penalty to be reinstated for rapists and paedophiles. Now before you judge me please consider the possibility of the many people guilty of these crimes (rape more so apparantly) being released back into society after they have served their time in prison and then re-offending. What would you want to happen to that person if they committed the crime on a member of your family or yourself?

    This is a question to the general blogger not to anyone in particular. I would appreciate your opinion.

  351. 351
    Dave Griffiths says:

    Agreed, twice as many votes so far! Expect mentions of his petition to be quietly dropped.

    Come on Guido, how about a petition in favour of dropping the 50% tax rate for your banker mates.

  352. 352
    not fat or bad dyed hair says:

    fat men with bad dyed hair should be given the death penalty for their arrogance

  353. 353
    Professor Henry Brubaker, Institute for Studies says:

    Seems theres something fishy going on. Its strange that the e-petition to back hanging is the only one currently not working…..

  354. 354
    Five Lies says:

    Which is odd, as “Any petition deemed to be libellous, offensive, duplicates of existing open petitions or not related to government will be rejected.”

  355. 355
    Nick Payne says:

    I stand completely opposed to the motion. I find the idea of hating enemies so much that we become our enemy, abhorrent.

    You’d never find an ally of me in this. I don’t see how revenge (because lets face it, that’s what it is), does anything positive. It doesn’t bring back the victims… it doesn’t dampen the sense of deep loss or hurt.

    Why do we need to step down from the moral high ground in order to mete so called “justice”?

    If this got pushed through I’d become civilly disobedient on the issue.

  356. 356
    Tim H says:

    Paul Staines has shown there is real support for the return of the death penalty, and it looks like up to 30% of the public would support it.

  357. 357
    Anonymous says:

    That’s a lie. All petitions have been having problems.

  358. 358
    gmseed says:

    I’ve tried to sign to petition several times and still down, but will wait till it’s back online – if that occurs.

    Hanging should be brought back for all the pedophiles in the UK, and in particular the Pervert Priests who have been abusing innocent children for centuries.

    If the UK is a democracy [as we are often told] then let the people decide on whether to bring back hanging. Democracy is the will of the majority irrespective of whether you agree with it or not. Every night of the week we see TV programs inviting us to vote on reality shows. It is not rocket science to extend this service to all UK citizens [via NI number/password] to vote on both local and national issues, bringing a return to true democracy and not this half-assed thing called parliamentary democracy.

    The e-petitions system is a classic governmental initiative at trying to keep the masses happy in making them believing they are contributing when all the while the MPs do what they want anyway.

    The e-petitions is an example of the dictatorship that the UK has in government. Just like when millions took to the streets to object to the Iraq Attack the government ignored these protests and went along with the murder of 600,000+ innocent Iraqis. If 50million people voted to bring back ganging the UK gov. would still not reinstate it. The reason is that they are dictators and cannot adhere to true democracy.

  359. 359
    Mike (England) says:

    i made my voice heard by signing the (more popular) anti death penalty petition.

    although i wondered why there is no “ban halal” petition.

  360. 360
    StrangerHereMyself says:

    Two words come to mind whenever I hear people rattling on about the “Birmingham Six”: “Birmingham” and “21”. 21 being the number of civilians killed in the Birmingham pubs that were bombed by the IRA, but who apparently don’t count as much as six republicans arrested on their way to a republican terrorist’s funeral (that of James McDade who died when the bomb he was planting in Coventry blew up prematurely).

    Where do I sign the “Justice for the Enniskillen 12” petition? Doesn’t exist? No-one cares about the 12 civilians murdered by the IRA at Enniskillen?
    How about the “Kingsmill 10”? No-one cares about them either? Surely there’s a petition for the “Northern Ireland 2,060”, the 2,060 people murdered by republican terrorists over the long conflict? Nope? Guess they’ll just have to whistle before they get films, songs, and endless mentions on internet forums by outraged liberati.

  361. 361
    Anonymous says:

    The could have done some stress testing…


    Everyone makes mistakes. The justice system is not infallible. The risk of killing an innocent person is not a risk worth taking.

  362. 362
    Anonymous says:

    Petition is back up & running!!!

  363. 363
    Anonymous says:

    And is still getting caned…

  364. 364
    Bob R says:

    It does stop them murdering again.

  365. 365
    God is an Englishman. says:

    The principal is right, but Guido’s grammar is a bit iffy!
    “murder of children and police officers when on duty”
    ….thus implying that it allpies not only to police officers on duty, but also children on duty.

  366. 366
    God is an Englishman. says:

    Grrr .
    Typo in my hurry to post, combined with arthritic one finger keyboard bashing : “allpies” should be “applies”, but the point still holds good.

  367. 367
    Sid says:

    I keep wondering why Guido is such a tit.

  368. 368
    Redpoll says:

    Is it true Guido’s a stooge of the Daily Mail? Or, is he just a closet fascist? The nazis used to guillotine people (legally in their eyes) some of them, The White Rose people, merely young people protesting about atrocities Either way he’s pushing a pretty nasty agenda that won’t do any of us any good. Of course it’s all being done for the best of motives…how does pushing state murder help us? But then he named himself after some one who plotted mass murder, so no doubt agrees with terrorists committing mass murder…it all comes together. You need closing down like the NoW. Ooh! Aren’t you controversial? We’ve just seen 8 black kids jailed for murdering another young guy, can you imagine what would happen if those 8 had been subject to capital punishment? If you think they would be executed and that would be the end of it then you are naieve.

  369. 369
    Reader losing faith in our values says:

    51% of people on a given day may decide to reverse a decision about banning execution that was made long ago and took so long to achieve (universal human rights etc?).
    The other 49% of people on that day can eat humble pie and shut up, execution has resumed.
    That seems more like half the population dictating to the other half to me, rather than “democracy” where everyone has a voice and representation.
    But what if a month later 1% of people changed their minds about the whole thing and 51% suddenly want execution banned again?
    Will there then be another vote?
    I suggest it is a BIT more important than the f****** AV or MP’s expenses or Rupert Murdoch getting a pie in the face.

  370. 370
    Redpoll says:

    You’re obviously rabid and should go onto medication…you have much in common with that Norwegian murdering nutter. (Name and address supplied if you go and see a psychiatrist and have a note from your mum).

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    anon says:

    Voices are being heard. The number of people on the e-petition site opposing the reintroduction of the death penalty is more than double those wishing for it’s reinstatement.

    I’m sure the pro-death brigade will disregard this and continue to claim that most people are in favour of a reintroduction

  372. 372
    anon says:

    “If the UK is a democracy [as we are often told] then let the people decide on whether to bring back hanging.”

    We did, hanging was abolished.

    The vast majority of people still oppose the death penalty. As you are so pro-democracy presumably you are now happy? Or perhaps you are only a fan of democracy when the majority agree with you?

  373. 373
    Opinicus says:


    Here’s another you may like

  374. 374
    Dhalgren says:

    So this Tory blogger is calling for the return of the death penalty, and what does he do? He calls for the execution of not all murderers (which is easier for me to support), but only the killers of children and police. This distinction is precisely why many Western countries got rid of capital punishment to begin with. Since it was either impractical or impossible to sentence all murderers to death, prosecutors went after only those who killed the most sympathetic victims (white female victims in the USA for example). This made victims unequal, which is arguably unfair, since they were all ultimately deprived of their lives in the end. And it was also unfair to low income defendants, who didn’t have adequate representation to avoid a death sentance. So in the USA, we have the poorest defendants, accused of commiting the most sensationalist crimes, in a small percentage of states, given the death sentance. That’s unequal justice.

    So let this American (where we presume our defendants to be innocent, by the way) ask another question. I know crime is up in the UK over the last 10 years. But is really so out of control that the death penalty needs to be brought back? Is the UK really unsafe? Might I invite any of you to visit Saint Louis, Newark, Detroit, or Baltimore and then tell me that any city in the UK is anywhere near those on the crime scale?

    We Americans like to think you British as more civilized than us. Please keep it that way. Don’t go down the capital punishment road again. When murder victims and defendants are given different levels of worth, it harms the justice system, and by extension, society.

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    Anonymous says:

    No. The state would have murdered a number of completely innocent people by now because of miscarriages of justice. You can’t release a corpse and say sorry.

  376. 376
    ed says:

    If in the unlikely event of capital punishment is re-introduced, do we charge Guido for inciment to murdert when the wrong person is hanged?
    A far better alturnative for the likess of Hartley of Soham infamy is to offer them hemlock or some other method of suicide every 5th year during their whole of life tarriff.

  377. 377
    Cut Uk Taxes says:

    Why is my petition on reducing VAT not listed on the site?

  378. 378
    God is an Englishman. says:

    Read “Soylent Green” !

  379. 379
    God is an Englishman. says:

    That’s natural population control, not a crime.

  380. 380
    Admiral Leach says:

    Saw Guido on the telly last night arguing with some grey bearded loon called Paul Flynn who basically was saying no matter what the electorate say he knows best. So if we did (ever) get a referendum on EU membership and it went the way he and his elite didn’t like he’d just ignore it! So I guess our betters will do the same on the issue of capital punishment!
    This lot really don’t get it, there has been a sea change (trust me I’m Admiral) in the way politics works, the collapse of political elites competency (never great), the rise of the internet and the ending of top down news/communications media is changing the way politics works, we’re only seeing the start of this, but the shower in Parliament and their hangers on want business as usual.

    This is reason why all three parties have backed out of a EU membership referendum they know they would lose it then would have to reveal their blatant contempt for the views of the majority.

  381. 381
    Anonymous says:

    A total waste of money as even if it gets debated it will never be reintroduced. I want my MPs to debate serious issues that could actually lead to something. This will just be a debate about a law that will never be passed. All those people calling for the death penalty should go and visit somebody on death row in the states or go and see it in Saudi Arabia. Once you have seen the reality of the situation I fully expect you to all go and hide under a rock. Muppets the lot of you!

  382. 382
    Hard-Lazing Voter says:

    It’s cute how numbers appear to be a struggle for you. While they will likely include all the numbers together after a period of pressure, it’s doubtful they’ll ever do anything with it. So you’re won, Fabian. Why are you so mad?

  383. 383
    Hard-Lazing Voter says:

    The death penalty should only be imposed on progs like Anonymous anyway.

  384. 384
    Michael Granger says:

    I agree. Muppets the lot of them. If there is a debate it will last about an hour then that will be the end of it…will grab some headlines and still won’t be reintroduced. Guido Fawkes and all that follow are misguided fools. Get a life and stop dabbling in things you know nothing about.

  385. 385
    Anonymous says:

    So, the government website to register one’s opinion on has gone down.
    It would appear that the Huffington Post opinion section has also got Gremlins in.
    Any (disconnection) connection? If so, then as the great philosopher John Mcenroe might have put it. “You cannot be Syria, (Camo) Man”.

  386. 386
    littlevoice says:

    So, the government website to register one’s opinion on has gone down.
    It would appear that the Huffington Post opinion section has also got the Gremlins in. And even this site is acting a bit sticky.
    Any (disconnection) connection?
    If so, then as the great philosopher John Mcenroe might have put it.
    “You cannot be Syria, (Camo) Man”.

  387. 387
    Michael says:

    You could just sod off to some place where the state won’t bother you. Haiti, Somalia. Somewhere like that.

  388. 388
    Rog says:

    Good idea!

    Probably less Somalis in Somalia than there are around here.

    Btw, I love your caring logic that anyone who has the temerity to disagree with you should be banished.

    That and the fact that you don’t bother to disagree with the facts.

    Lefties. Priceless.

  389. 389
    Nick Payne says:

    And makes you a murderer in the process.

  390. 390
    Nick Payne says:

    For a right wing libertarian you are taking the most ludicrous of authoritarian lines.

  391. 391
    Trevor Booth says:

    The MPs turn down the introduction of capital punishment because of fear that an innocent person may die. What about the innocent future victims? what about all the innocent people who die in unnecessary wars the govt started? what about innocent people dying because of the failure to provide, medication care etc on grounds of cost.
    The government pursue polices that they know will result in innocent people dying.
    What is so different about capital punishment?, apart from the fact that the numbers will be a lot less than die at the government’s hands by these other current policies which are considered a lot less popular by public opinion.
    Trevor Booth

  392. 392
    HDB111 says:

    Tried signing, it will not send me the e-mil to confirm but will not accept the e-mail address when I try to re-enter. No paranoid but they do not ant this one.

  393. 393
    Only me says:

    Twice as many want to retain the ban

    Juries will require much more proof of guilt if they are to convict for crimes that carry the death sentence.

    That means that MORE guilty people go free!

  394. 394
    Anonymous says:

    You think this is sarcasm? Not very good at it are you.

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