August 4th, 2011

The Petition Goes Live

Head over to DirectGov to make your voice heard

UPDATE: Great, the site is down:

The could have done some stress testing…


394 Comments

  1. 1
    Billy Bowden is the greatest umpire ever ! says:

    Count me in.

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    • 13
      Tax Payer says:

      “Making your voice heard” is exactly what won’t happen.

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      • 19
        Anonymous says:

        Our voices will be heard but they will be disregarded when it comes to the vote.

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        • 41
          Anonymous says:

          Why not on EU, foreign aid, economy, etc.

          Brown put this economy in the toilet and Osborne is flushing it away. Most in this site wants to close their eyes and pretend nothing is happening.

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        • 75
          Rage Against the Political Elite says:

          Poor Sally Clarke would be Dead now Murdered by the State on the Say so of a Knacker Roy Meadows.

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          • Roy Meadows says:

            I never did anything wrong ever. I think you’re thinking of that other guy. The one without the s on the end of his name.

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          • MI6 says:

            Here Here, Stick that in your Pipe Guido. I think you are all at Sea. Lets get back to some serious discourse about the Politcal Class

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        • 350
          Abject Apathy says:

          I have mixed feelings about this because I am a rape victim who for a long time has wanted the death penalty to be reinstated for rapists and paedophiles. Now before you judge me please consider the possibility of the many people guilty of these crimes (rape more so apparantly) being released back into society after they have served their time in prison and then re-offending. What would you want to happen to that person if they committed the crime on a member of your family or yourself?

          This is a question to the general blogger not to anyone in particular. I would appreciate your opinion.

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      • 63
        Rage Against the Political Elite says:

        Why dont we vote for More Police officers on top of the 160’000 we already have, Then vote for more Prisons and Bigger Prisons as we have a lot of Ex Squaddies who might come back from the Wars they have been sent too and might Kill some one. Lets turn the Country into Mexico and lets have a little more prohibition that will get a Good Vote, No More Drugs No More Smoking, I need a Camera in my Home so I can get some State organisation to check up on my discourse incase I say something a bit contoversial, Why not Jail people for Speaking.

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      • 371
        anon says:

        Voices are being heard. The number of people on the e-petition site opposing the reintroduction of the death penalty is more than double those wishing for it’s reinstatement.

        I’m sure the pro-death brigade will disregard this and continue to claim that most people are in favour of a reintroduction

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        • 376
          ed says:

          If in the unlikely event of capital punishment is re-introduced, do we charge Guido for inciment to murdert when the wrong person is hanged?
          A far better alturnative for the likess of Hartley of Soham infamy is to offer them hemlock or some other method of suicide every 5th year during their whole of life tarriff.

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      • 391
        Trevor Booth says:

        The MPs turn down the introduction of capital punishment because of fear that an innocent person may die. What about the innocent future victims? what about all the innocent people who die in unnecessary wars the govt started? what about innocent people dying because of the failure to provide, medication care etc on grounds of cost.
        The government pursue polices that they know will result in innocent people dying.
        What is so different about capital punishment?, apart from the fact that the numbers will be a lot less than die at the government’s hands by these other current policies which are considered a lot less popular by public opinion.
        Trevor Booth

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    • 15
      ? says:

      HM Government’s e-petitions site has just been launched. Currently there aren’t any e-petitions to search for or sign, however, you can create new ones.

      http://epetitions.direct.gov.uk/

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      • 30
        It's a total scam, of course says:

        That’s because a team of civil servants have to agree what you can be concerned about.

        Direct democracy? Yeah, right.

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        • 37
          Bill d'Sarse says:

          Democracy – something that only applies just before an election.

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          • Anonymous says:

            It doesn’t even apply in an election, remember “Sun won it”. Look at number of people not living in UK giving millions to political parties.

            We used to have democracy but sadly it was sold.

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          • Anonymous says:

            The democracy element is removed by re-jigging the constituency boundaries prior to the voters putting their X’s on the ballot paper.
            Apart from that Bill,is it democratic for mp’s for constituencies not affected by their vote being allowed to vote on matters affecting other constituencies? It’s known as the West Lothian question.

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    • 34
      Sir William Waad says:

      This is an example of conservatives shooting ourselves in the foot. It won;t hapeen, it shouldn’t happen, and it makes us look bloodhtirsty.

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      • 53
        Grumpy Old Man says:

        On the other hand, the present balance with it’s accentuation on the rights of the criminal over the rights of the victim must be addressed. A debate on the place of judicial execution in extremis as part of English law is as good a place as any to start to redress the balance with a view to re-ordering our legal system in favour of the victim, as opposed to protecting the criminal from the full consequences of his crime.

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        • 145
          Sir William Waad says:

          Capital punishment could only improve the rights of victims if it deterred potential murderers. It doesn’t. Even Guido admitted as much in a recent interview.

          It is an irrelevance as far as protecting the public by preventing and detecting crime is concerned.

          Personally, I would love to be allowed to kill Levi Bellfield, preferably in a slow, painful and exemplary way, but I wouldn’t because I would be lowering myself to his level.

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          • Really? says:

            ‘Capital punishment could only improve the rights of victims if it deterred potential murderers. It doesn’t.’

            Utter tosh and you know it.

            The murder rate is more than double than that before abolition, manslaughter rates are far higher as are violent crime figures.
            When you lie, it’s best that you do it with people who do not have access to the official numbers.

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          • I am in complete agreement with you. But I was born in the year that the Boccherini Quintet was formed and I imagine, from your posts, that you are of similar vintage. Those of us who were born into a time of hanging, saw miscarriages of justice and believe in Blackstone’s formulation find it strange that others can put blind faith in those areas of State which have proved themselves so disastrously wrong in recent decades.

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          • sockpuppet #4 says:

            “Mr Really?” Many things have happened in the last 50 years. Society is less reverent and people exercise less self control in all sorts of different ways. Everyone knows this is not to do with the death penalty, but is indeed the fault of popular music and the electrical bass guitar.

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          • Albert Pierrepoint II says:

            I would lower him to about eight feet below floor level. With luck I’ll get the drop calculation wrong and he’ll either be throttled slowly or his head will be pulled off; he’s a fat c*nt.

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          • MI6 says:

            Really, What was the Population when this Great Country had the Capital Puishment? And aren’t the Plods Scientific support the reason why what once would have passed as natural causes.
            1. The odd home fire with you in it
            2. The odd drowning
            3. Posioning
            A good reason for the higher Murder rate, and the last time I looked at Crime watch I think a bit of our Colonial Cousins may have pushed up the rate. We could just call for the deportation of all ethnic minorities and that might fix it. Why you want to justify Killing people is beyond me. Poor Sally Clarke would have never had the chance to be found innocent of the most henious of Child Killing Crime that she was convicted for.

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      • 200
        RB says:

        Capital punishment is the epitome of the wishes of the uneducated mob and the failure of state officials to rightly denegrate state murder.

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      • 264
        Axe The Telly Tax says:

        Not if the people decide in a referendum. Then it will be the will of the people, not the will of any one party.

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    • 99
      H Dromey (Ms) says:

      We need a petition for half of all cricket and F1 teams to be wimmin.

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    • 108
      Andrew says:

      You should add Prison Officers to the list , with cop and child killers

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    • 179
      jingouk says:

      Continual crashing on e-petitions site. The ‘Humphries’ trying to shake us off.

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      • 237
        Rog says:

        There are also several incredibly similar petitions on the government’s site…

        Looks like they’ve allowed them to dilute the number of signatures you get.

        Only sign the “real” one

        http://epetitions.direct.gov.uk/petitions/138

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        • 267
          Axe The Telly Tax says:

          When i try to confirm my email it says sorry, something went wrong.

          Sounds like the powers that be are trying to nobble it.

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          • Five Lies says:

            Odd that a petition that has so far garnered only 825 signatures should have gained so much traction in the media and seemingly crashed a government website.

            It must be that it has surfaced during the Silly Season in a gap between Rupert Murdoch being questioned after News International’s near-implosion and the restart of Big Brother.

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    • 270
      Drew Pecock says:

      They have already started to find a way to ignore your petition, there is NO WAY these arrogant tossers in parlement will ever carry out the wishes of the public majority. You can petion for as long as you have got a hole in your arse on hanging, leaving the EU, banning immigration ect it will make fuck all difference. They will ignore you. Rememer Blairs promise on the lisbon treaty and Camerons CAST IRON GARENTEE. The are both fucking liars

      I will state hear and now that FUCK ALL wil come of this petition except a load of hot air and wafle in the HOC and LORDS

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    • 311
      Joseph Yossarian says:

      Should I ever be called to Jury service on a case where the death penalty would result I would vote not guilty.

      On the assumption that there are others like me, it is highly possible that the existance of a death penalty could mean that murderers walk free.

      Which makes me think that more crims would try to get away with muder because of people like me.

      Which means that the death penalty does zero to deter crime. Could be the opposite.

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    • 328
      Boots McGonagle says:

      There won’t be any debate, nor any vote. Even if tyhe threshold is reached, it will be claimed that there is no point in a debate because there is no room for manoeuvre in European Law.

      Sorry, Gweed, but you are going to be robbed of the pleasure of seeing some poor retard swing for a crime he didn’t commit.

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    • 340
      David Laws Lib Dem fiddler says:

      Bring back hanging for all murder convictions and manslaughter.

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    • 359
      Mike (England) says:

      i made my voice heard by signing the (more popular) anti death penalty petition.

      although i wondered why there is no “ban halal” petition.

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    • 380
      Admiral Leach says:

      Saw Guido on the telly last night arguing with some grey bearded loon called Paul Flynn who basically was saying no matter what the electorate say he knows best. So if we did (ever) get a referendum on EU membership and it went the way he and his elite didn’t like he’d just ignore it! So I guess our betters will do the same on the issue of capital punishment!
      This lot really don’t get it, there has been a sea change (trust me I’m Admiral) in the way politics works, the collapse of political elites competency (never great), the rise of the internet and the ending of top down news/communications media is changing the way politics works, we’re only seeing the start of this, but the shower in Parliament and their hangers on want business as usual.

      This is reason why all three parties have backed out of a EU membership referendum they know they would lose it then would have to reveal their blatant contempt for the views of the majority.

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  2. 2
    Anonymous says:

    good publicity stunt but you must know its never going to happen

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    • 175
      rocknrolla says:

      Think we would be better off trying to get life to mean life – to me that’s an even better deterrent than hanging anyway plus at least in the case of a miscarriage of justice there can be some, albeit late, redress.

      But Guido is right that the current system is getting laughable, the ordinary public are frequently scared, the criminal class, armed with the idiotic “Human Rights Act”, have no fear – this situation is not compatible with a civilised society.

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  3. 3
    Matt says:

    If you’ve done nothing wrong you’ve nothing to fear, because the State is infallible and always works in our best interests.

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  4. 4
    Billy Bowden is the greatest umpire ever ! says:

    Public referendum Guido?

    That would be people power!

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  5. 5
    Michael says:

    A couple of questions. How many police officers have been murdered in the line of duty in the last 10 years, and of those murdered, what verdicts did the guilty receive? What cost analysis of the proposal has been made by the people who put forward the petition, and would they consider the proposals a legitimate use of public funds at a time when cuts in spending are being made across other services?

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    • 16
      Hugh Janus says:

      Here’s my ‘cost analysis’ – a rope is cheaper than years in prison.

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      • 23
        Michael says:

        What about an exhaustive court process that has to determine absolute proof? And the 10 or so years someone spends on death row? You’re ignorant of the facts because you’re not clever enough to understand them.

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          The Archbishop of Canterbury says:

          Hah! 10 years on Death Row? That’s 10 years of my trembling bearded face on your TV screens, night after night after night, explaining that the murderer is a ‘victim’.

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      • 96
        sockpuppet #4 says:

        How many years in prison pays for a team of lawyers for about 15 minutes?

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      • 101
        Biddy says:

        Costs more to do all the appeals you need to kill someone (yeah KILL) than it would to keep them banged up. It’s pretty well-documented unless all you read is right wing propaganda – maybe google it.

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      • 152
        Anonymous says:

        So, how many of these ‘savings’ would actually be carried out, say, per 10 years? Lets see, Ian Huntley, etc etc… the guy who shot the woman copper a few years ago? 10 or 15 I would say at a best guess.

        It costs £25k to keep a person in prison for a year, and that’s an average. On death row, with the extra security do you think it will be cheaper? More like double. Lets say £40000 minimum. Not to mention building new facilities to keep the fuckers in. Oh dear- rope not so cheap now?

        Each killer will also spend years fighting in the courts with teams of CPS v tax payer funded lawyers and anti-capital punishment activists. The court time will be epic. More costs added to the rope.

        Lets say 10 years fighting it, so £400k in jail time is spent anyway on each prisoner. Add to that the extra court costs over appeals and appeals.

        If the killer would otherwise have spent 50 years in ‘non death row’ jail (no, but just imagine) then that would have cost £2m. You have ‘saved’ your self £1.6m per prisoner executed.

        Over 10 years, 15 killers = £24 million. (that’s £2.4m per year) But remember, not counting the EXTRA court costs. Not counting building a death row prison (which admittedly might be recouped in the long run) and assuming they would serve 50 years otherwise.

        And when all this is taken into account, do you really think the prisons will say ” yeah, of course, cut our budget by £2.4m, we don’t need so much any more!!” No. They, will probably spend it on playstations just to piss you off. :)

        How much do the MP’s siphon off in expenses every year again? We would save more putting a few of them out of their misery.

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        • 241
          Rog says:

          Right, so the hundreds that are murdered each year because of the abolition of the death penalty are justified in your mind because it’s cheaper to let the murderers out after a few years, rather than execute them?

          That’s pretty messed up logic.

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          the sun says guilty-must be true says:

          your surely forgetting that this group wish to have The Sun decide then rip the ‘guilty’ to peices with their bare hands. That costs just the price of The Sun and a bit on the dry cleaning.

          Maybe we should bring back fox hunting then they can get your blood.

          I do agree in principle with capital punishment, but its so unsafe to know for sure that the person is guilty. People make mistakes.

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          • Rog says:

            It is NOT unsafe to come to a 100% conclusion in most cases.

            Is anybody seriously saying for example there is any doubt about the guilt of Anders Behring Breivik?

            It amazes me that the handwringers would be OK if the guy had been shot dead at the scene of the crime, but would shriek if he was executed after a fair trial.

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    • 39
      Anonymous says:

      The costs would be minimal compared to the sums of taxpayers money we give to overseas aid which ends up buying luxury aircraft,top of the range armour plated car fleets,purpose built palaces & anything left over transferred to secret accounts of dictators.

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      • 46
        Michael says:

        Cheers for that. As I understand, foreign aid amounts to 0.7% of our GDP. Care to offer a solid number to make your point the other way?

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        • 124
          Anon 2 says:

          Oh, only 0.7% – that’s all right then?

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          • Rog says:

            UK foreign aid 2011-12 is a mere £8.7 BILLION quid.

            Why not give it to aid India’s space programme or Pakistan’s nuclear weapons research?

            Not like the UK has £TRILLIONS of debt, is it?

            Dig deep, borrow to give to others, increase our misery.

            It’s the socialist way.

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          • Michael says:

            You could just sod off to some place where the state won’t bother you. Haiti, Somalia. Somewhere like that.

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          • Rog says:

            Good idea!

            Probably less Somalis in Somalia than there are around here.

            Btw, I love your caring logic that anyone who has the temerity to disagree with you should be banished.

            That and the fact that you don’t bother to disagree with the facts.

            Lefties. Priceless.

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    • 85
      Grumpy Old Man says:

      Interesting red herring. Your argument assumes that the guilty were apprehended, that those who were charged were in fact those who perpetrated the murder, and that there was a possibility that a not guilty verdict was returned by a jury even though the correct person was tried. As to the cost-analysis paragraph, the main duty of a democratic government is the protection of it’s citizens from threats which intrude on the enjoyment of a peaceful and quiet life. This duty is the primary one and is the most legitimate use of taxation. Only when this aim is largely achieved should any other expenditure be contemplated. In sum, a robust and effective judicial system is of greater priority than diversity officers career progression pyramids or several layers of NHS middle managers.

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      • 225
        Michael says:

        The red herring here is that your assumption that any judicial system utilising the death penalty should be considered robust and effective. The obvious counterpoint is the United States currently houses 2.3 million prisoners, or 25% of the world’s prison population. Texas has the fourth highest incarceration rate in the US, with around 150,000 prisoners – double the amount in UK prisons. It has had 472 executions since 1982. Its current penal budget is $3billion, a figure that has tripled in 20 years. Clearly, the threat of the death penalty has not led to budget savings. You don’t even need to make a moral case for the death penalty when the economic reasoning is so absurd.

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        • 242
          Grumpy Old Man says:

          At no point did I say or even imply that a robust and effective judicial system necessarily includes a death penalty. A stream of tractor factory statistics does not make a case for anything, and you have made no attempt to refute my point about the government’s duty to protect the population from serious harm,the cost being a secondary consideration. You need to try much harder. C+

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          • Michael says:

            Fine, I take your point. I agree that the government – or more accurately, the state – has a duty to protect its population from serious harm. However, for me to refute your point, you’re going to have to try a bit harder and suggest what serious harm might look like, and whether we’re currently at risk from it in the current state of affairs. As it stands, I think we’re perfectly fine from most risk – that is, we do not suffer serious harm on anything close to a regular basis – so the money spent on the criminal justice system is, on a rational level, appropriate. You seem to be advocating a potentially limitless spend on criminal justice, which makes no sense given that a state can only function within logical economic parameters. Over spending, as so many on this site regularly note, would constrain the state to the point of collapse. This extreme situation is worse than the current state of affairs. The murder of a child is horrifying, however, it is not a regular occurrence. Ditto with police officers. The economic basis for sanctioning capital punishment, which is to completely ignore the moral basis, would therefore seem deficient.

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    • 183
      jrand says:

      Privatise executions, make the condemned pay for their sentences!

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  6. 6
    Cumming 2 soon says:

    If a debate is forced we already know the result. They will do absolutely nothing. The overwhelming public opinion for years has been to restore the death penalty and they have spent 50 years now ignoring that opinion.

    It should be restored for the murder of Police or Prison Officers in the excercise of their duty, murder of children, murder by firearms, or murder in the commission of a criminal offence.

    A referendum, at the right time would return at least 90% in favour, and at the wrong time 80% in favour.

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    • 120
      The voice of unreason says:

      You are probably correct in that nothing will happen.

      However, by forcing a debate and a vote, we (the electorate) get find out which of our representatives believe their job is to represent us at Westminster and those that think their job is to represent Westminster to us.

      This will result in a far bigger shake up to the political system that the mere acceptance or rejection of capital punishment.

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  7. 7
    Spacker Brown says:

    No chance, but it will show up the process for what it is.

    BTW, anyone remember Labour’s “Big Conversation”?

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  8. 8
    Billy Bowden is the greatest umpire ever ! says:

    I mean it wouldnt hurt to ask all the people thier views?

    You will have the support you have and the other side will have support, let democrcy work?

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    • 57
      Anonymous says:

      Billy,ffs stop talking about democrcy(or democracy). We don’t have it,never have had it & never will get it. So FFS stop talking about it.

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  9. 9
    Pierrepoint says:

    Don’t you live in Ireland? Why do you give a fuck, is it just because the Irish are showing some sense and want nothing to do with this barbarity?

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    • 44
      Mike Litorus says:

      Guido, if you are strapped in the chair about to be executed for a crime you did not commit, will you still agree that bringing back the death penalty is a good idea?

      If this goes ahead, I will be moving to the first country that will accept me.

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      • 69
        Rage Against the Political Elite says:

        Ask Sally Clarke, she would have been executed by Now if Guido had his Way and we would have never found out that Roy Meadows was a State sponsored Knacker.

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      • 269
        Icarus says:

        Guido Fawkes was hung. He had the strength, just, to climb high on the scaffold so that when he dropped his neck broke. Had he not done so the other bits of his punishment might have been carried out whilst he was still conscious.

        The death penalty is barbaric.

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  10. 10
    Chris Squire says:

    1106 am: ‘e-petitions – create and sign petitions online

    HM Government’s e-petitions site has just been launched. Currently there aren’t any e-petitions to search for or sign, however, you can create new ones.’

    http://epetitions.direct.gov.uk/

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    • 18
      It's a total scam, of course says:

      “It will be checked by a government department”

      “your e-petition could be debated in the House of Commons”

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    • 223
      Anonymous says:

      HM Government

      Sorry, something went wrong.

      They ain’t shittin’…

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  11. 11
    Mr Weiner says:

    I think everybody who votes for it should take turns pulling the switch. Might satisfy their bloodlust.

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    • 144
      Gizzajob says:

      What’s would the money be?

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        I am Jon Monday says:

        Duty Functionary for the Office of Prisioner Extinguishment
        Salary: 6.08 Per Hour 8.15am – 6.45pm Monday to Saterday

        Do you enjoy one to one contact with disadvantaged groups? Can you compassionately and professionally support our inmates to the bright lights of a premature death?

        A recent new position in the new Office of Prisioner Extinguishment has arisen.

        You will have three years experience working in a detention facility and be able to cope under pressure, flicking one switch each day and fixing the photocopier and printer the rest of the time whilst filling in paperwork from other departments.

        To recieve our short 500 page application visit http://plebs.direct.gov.uk/plebjob/apply/jobsalreadyallocated/go/throughmotions/198729-executioner.html

        Duty Manager for the Office of Prisioner Extinguishment
        Salary: 45,000 per annum pro rata 35 hour week flexible working

        Can you liase between the Justice Ministry, The prisons department, The Howard League, The Human Lague, The League of Extrodinary Gentlemen, Dr Watson, Mr. Holmes, Kojak, The Chuckle Brothers, David Cameron, and Nick Clegg?

        We can’t. So we need a dynamic self-starting manager with 12 years experience of managing things which are difficult. Working in the new department of the Office of Prisioner Extinguishment you will manage a tightly knit team of one Duty Functionary. Can you make their life a living hell whilst achieving little and not making too much of a fuss?

        Get in touch through the usual channels. The Second Cubicle. 8.30pm.

        Press Officer for the Office of Prisioner Extinguishment
        Salary: 67,000 per annum pro rata 20 hour week working from home and in field.

        To apply for this job you will have to be a woman, preferably asian or black and attractive enough that we will not be embarrased putting your photo on our website for the general public of grieving families and victorious victims to shout rude things at your answerphone whilst you liase with other departments and visit numerous restaurants on work time.

        To apply : Call Dave or get Samantha to remind him before beddy bye time.

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    • 158
      Spartacus says:

      Careful you dont get trampled in the rush

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  12. 12
    pp says:

    So much for being anti-politician.

    You now want the state to be permitted to kill citizens – sheesh.

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  13. 14
    Billy Bowden is the greatest umpire ever ! says:

    Hang on!!!!!

    I always pondered why Guido would do this, He seems a ok chap, but then it hit me, In long drawn out cases of murder etc there is only one winner.

    Lawyers, any conflict of intrest to declare :-)

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  14. 17
    Loungelizard says:

    Just get us out of the ..kin EU.

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    A. Pierrepoint says:

    Wonderful stuff! We have a police force which apparently is more rotten and corrupt than anything in the Third World, and totally incapable of detecting crime without falsifying evidence to attempt to convict innocent people; not just of minor crimes but of those which according to this lynch-mob would attract the death penalty.

    It’ll soon be safer to be a West Country badger, unless of course we arm ourselves against the State and its State-sponsored murderers.

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    • 87
      sockpuppet #4 says:

      Sorry to say, I’d be right up there pointing out flaws in British police, and all the things they’ve cocked up in the past (no one going to mention Winston Silcott? there done it).

      They are a lot better than many other countries police forces, and probably equivalent to the nicest of our near european neighbours.

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    • 91
      sockpuppet #4 says:

      Sorry to say, I’d be right up there pointing out flaws in British police, and all the things they’ve cocked up in the past (no one going to mention Winston Silcott? there done it).

      They are a lot better than many other countries police forces, and probably equivalent to the nicest of our near euro(broadbean)n neighbours

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      • 227
        An impartial observer says:

        The British Police. Along with the NHS, British Army, Postal Service, BBC etc etc often described as the ‘envy of the world’
        Unless you’ve had experience of the rest of the world….when you do start to wonder who exactly’s doing the envying

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        • 281
          Cynical Old Man says:

          The police have gone the same way of all the public services, that is too many have joined in order to gain promotion as fast as possible. Any form of public service ethic has been replaced by overweening self interest. The problems started in all our public services when they began to recruit graduates instead of people who saw the job as a vocation.

          You could say that they’ve all been corrupted by ambition. The services were became corrupt when the police, NHS, teaching, etc. stopped being vocations and became “careers”.

          Until public duty replaces self interest things will never change.

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    bs says:

    Not for me, no thanks.

    I don’t find the current ‘solution’ for the likes of Ian Brady and those who would do what he did at all satisfactory, but I don’t want the state to kill in cold blood in my name both because it feels wrong and also because I don’t think it will have a beneficial practical result. I don’t believe that English Juries will want to convict when they know that they will, in effect, be sending the accused to his/her death.

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  17. 22
    Weak willed liberal says:

    If I were on a jury I’d be more reluctant to give a guilty verdict if I knew a person would recieve the death penalty.

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    • 54
      All police are pigs says:

      To put it politely, I regard the police ‘service’ with the utmost suspicion, and in light of their framing Barry George and Colin Stagg, I would (if I were on a jury) regard the evidence put forward by the police to be unreliable – no matter how convincing it may appear – and for that reason I would find the suspect ‘not guilty’ if he or she faced the death penalty.

      Like

    • 83
      Anonymous says:

      I’d say that being willing and excited to send someone to their death is a disqualification for jury service, which is about justice not vengeance.

      Like

      • 132
        Weak willed liberal says:

        Agreed but my point was that the evdence that you would have to present me would be far far more substantial to get me to convict someone knowing they would be killed than it would to get me to convict someone if they were to recieve life. I hope that makes sense.

        Basically I wouldn’t convict if there was even a sliver of doubt.

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        • 202
          RB says:

          The fact that Guido seems to be hard for this all of a sudden makes me treat anything he says with suspicion. Anyone who wants to give the state power to murder its citizens clearly has a screw loose.

          Like

          • Weak willed liberal says:

            I suspect it’s more to create mischief. The wording ‘review all treaties and international commitments’ suggest Guido ig after the EU.

            Like

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  19. 25
    Joe says:

    If you don’t agree with Guido’s idea of justice, the alternative petition is here: http://epetitions.direct.gov.uk/petitions/288

    Like

  20. 26
    Sir Barrington Minge says:

    Wrong this time Guido.

    The state should never have the power to take a life however heinous the crime.

    Such power is used and abused by states such as Iran, Saudi Arabia and China.

    Do you really want the UK to be seen on the same level as these?

    Say no to Capital Punishment

    Like

  21. 28
    Blind leading blind says:

    Please sign my e-petition to ban offshore bloggers from trying to interfere in UK legal system

    Like

  22. 29
    Billy Bowden is the greatest umpire ever ! says:

    Apart from the USA arnt the only other countries that have death pen socailist/comunist/Islamic?

    Like

  23. 33
    The Government says:

    La la la la la la

    Like

  24. 35
    Loungelizard says:

    Thirteen years under Labour has made the electorate cynical. Never again will we see any government initiative as anything other than a PR stunt. We accept government as a clerical function of the EU as we have no current viable alternative.

    Like

  25. 36
    Danny says:

    Guido,

    I went throught the process & the emailled link took me back to the Petition Form.

    How do I check that my vote has counted?

    Cheers

    Like

  26. 40
    Billy Bowden is the greatest umpire ever ! says:

    We have corrupt police/CPS/media/politicons!

    What could possibly go wrong?

    Like

  27. 43
    Selohesra says:

    Put me down for a No then – I sense a lot of right-wing nutters (myself included) are against capital punnishment and opinion seems pretty divided here even if adjusted for a few trolls. Can we have a mini vote run on this site like the thumbs up/down system to actually guage overall opinion?

    Like

    • 58
      Executive Summary says:

      The ‘pro’s’ have won the emotive, shouting argument; the ‘anti’s’ have won the rational, just argument.

      Like

      • 105
        Grumpy Old Man says:

        More total bollocks from the hard of thinking. The argument hasn’t started yet, it’s all swinging in the trees and beating chests, especially equating a just punishment with a desire for vengeance and other such emotive, shouting, dogmatism.

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        • 134
          Executive Summary says:

          The argument has been rumbling on for years.

          It cannot be resolved, because there is no right or wrong ‘answer’. Whatever the outcome, some of us will be unhappy.

          That’s what happens in mature socities.

          Like

          • Grumpy Old Man says:

            The hon. Gentleman makes a very good point and eventually we will get to the position that the argument will be debated in a rational way by rational people on both sides. I’m not holding my breath though.

            Like

  28. 46

    Guido, the State doesn’t get much bigger than when it says,
    “I am going to choke you to death”.

    Does it?

    Like

  29. 60
    MajorFrustration says:

    Lets not leave here – what about immigration, the EU, overseas aid budget, MPs expenses

    Like

  30. 61
    Ichabod says:

    Does this scheme mean that if I organised it and found enough people to support it –is it 100,000– the say MP’s would be obliged to discuss, say, ending foreign aid to certain countries, or enforcing a ban on all mosque building in England and Wales, on banning the burqua….

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    • 76
      Executive Summary says:

      “However, to protect this service from abuse, e-petitions must satisfy some basic conditions.

      If an e-petition does not include a clear statement explaining what action you want the government to take, it will be rejected.

      When submitting an e-petition, you may not include the following:

      Language that may cause offence, is provocative or extreme in its views.

      Names of family members of elected representatives, eg MPs, or officials of public bodies .”

      etc. etc.

      http://epetitions.direct.gov.uk/terms-and-conditions

      Like

  31. 64
    Geedo Forks says:

    I hope I’m never wrongly accused and found guilty of murder! And if it happens under a Labour govt, I’m sure I can put my trust into a Labour home sec to do the right thing. After all, they were very reliable and honest last time.

    Like

  32. 65
    Billy Bellend says:

    Instead of wasting time and effort on this nonsense how about a petition to declare war on the EU?

    http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/danielhannan/100089292/eu-demands-that-britain-admit-immigrants-intending-to-go-straight-on-to-benefits/

    Like

  33. 66
    Drop a Daisy cutter on the BBC says:

    Can we start one to get Jeremy Clarkson for PM?

    Like

  34. 67
    Billy Bowden is the greatest umpire ever ! says:

    Besides, this will cost billions in cost.

    we would have to re-brand “British Justice” to “British Vengence”, then the “Ministry of justice” would be re-branded to “Ministry of vengence”.

    i wonder how many Mps want to be “Vengence Minister” ?

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  35. 71
    War Criminals says:

    Instead of this ridiculous endeavour, do you realise that if you instead had a petition for Blair and Campbell to be tried for war crimes, you’d reach 100,000 signatures in about 5 minutes? And then we’d have the fun of a full debate on that.

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  36. 74
    Anonymous says:

    Trust the State with matters of life or death? This is a joke, right? Please tell me that this is a joke.

    And why police officers (the corrupt para-military enforcers of banker socialism)?

    Like

  37. 78
    Anonymous says:

    Here’s the most active other-side petition:

    http://epetitions.direct.gov.uk/petitions/1090

    And here’s a simple assessment of Staines’s approach from a blogger:

    http://declineofthelogos.wordpress.com/2011/08/01/death-and-its-fan-club/

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  38. 80
    Richie says:

    Count me as Anti Capital Punishment. Strongly.

    Like

  39. 84
    Anonymous says:

    Guido is sub-Fox News cancer.

    Like

    • 163
      Anonymous says:

      +1 Maybe we should consider this campaign of his as treasonous as it brings British morality into disrepute. Would be an hilarious irony.

      Like

  40. 86
    Anonymous says:

    Is Guido a secret sharia law supporter? Seems like it. Bog off to Saudia Arabia.

    Like

  41. 88
    Dave Laws says:

    What exactly is your motive Guido?

    Like

    • 104
      Mohammed says:

      This is utter rubbish – once Sharia law has been introduced the death penalty will exist for many ‘crimes’ = voting Labour will be number one reason

      Like

  42. 95
    Raving Loon says:

    How about a petition for an “in or out” EU referendum?

    Like

    • 103
      Billy Bellend says:

      Not from Guido. He is a Tory and de facto an EU supporter.

      Like

    • 107
      Nothing will actually happen though says:

      Now THAT would be a step TOO far !!

      Like

      • 211
        Raving Loon says:

        Things which are too far would include anything which reduces government power of spending, as apposed to the pretend Tory cuts which only reduce planned increases in government spending, not actual cuts which means we spend less this year than we did last year.

        Like

    • 116
      Billy Bowden is the greatest umpire ever ! says:

      If voting changed anything they would ban it.

      Like

  43. 97
    Anonymous says:

    The arrogance and ‘we know better’ attitude will still prevail by the indulgent MP’s.

    They really are the enemy within, the real Trojan horse in our country. All of them. Not one is to be trusted.

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  44. 98
    M'Learned Friend's Friend says:

    And they are off! Bigot in the lead followed closely by Prejudice, Narrow Minded Berk and Internet Ranter. What an interesting race.

    Like

    • 126
      You can start a juggernaut downhill but you can then never stop it............ says:

      Never underestimate the power of the masses to force a government to bend to its will whatever the governing liberal elite of the european union actually want….this petition is not simply about restoring the Death Penalty but a subtle Trojan Horse and fraught with problems for the Cameron government… and the otherquestion is though as the band wagon starts to roll will Miliband decide to jump aboard it despite his fabian tendencies in an attempt to use it to attack the Coalition ????

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  45. 100
    John Bellingham says:

    Up until the early 19th C there were few prisons. The use of the death penalty for over 220 crimes ranging from murder to “being in the company of gypsies” or “having a black face while committing a crime” was more economical than locking people up. (and looked on with nostalgia). Likewise the use of the stocks, the pillory, corporal punishment, branding and the like was not so much spite or sadism, but based on the lack of an alternative. Prison space that did exist (Newgate, The Gaol and The Clink) was usually reserved for debtors, politicians, journalists and crooked money-lenders. Almost as soon as the death penalty was reformed there was no prison space for the surviving crims (thus the holidays in Australia and the Thames hulks)– being nice to criminals does not result in less crime or less re-offending. So prisons should be cruel, souless, vicious places that would make offenders commit suicide rather than serve time.

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  46. 102
    Anonymous says:

    The life of the killer is worth more than the life of the person he killed and the rights of the killed persons family?

    Like

    • 114
      Billy Bellend says:

      No but the life of an innocent person is worth more than the life of a thousand guilty people.

      Like

    • 122
      Billy Bowden is the greatest umpire ever ! says:

      Please dont confuse vengence with justice.

      Like

      • 171
        Spartacus says:

        Or ‘just retribution’

        Like

      • 172
        Grumpy Old Man says:

        Vengeance, Billy, which you and many others are confusing with a desire by the public to see punishment fitting for the enormity of the crime committed. Is a whopping fine and points on a driver’s licence fitting punishment for going 5 mph over a purely arbitary speed limit? Should Devine have been released from the pokey after an indecently short time serving an indecently short sentence for a crime against the taxpayer? And should a serial murderer be allowed to continue his life after notching up 3 victims? It’s not vengeance, but a need to balance the punishment to the crime, which is so lacking in the UK.

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        • 187
          Billy Bowden is the greatest umpire ever ! says:

          Life should mean life.

          Not 10 years.

          I just dont believe in the death pen, Guido states “an eye for an eye” (Sharia law) as his “Justice” which, on murderers seems “Ok”, But then to extend it to the meaning, we would have no need for prison.

          Car thiefs= Steal the thiefs car

          Assault= Beat up the offender

          Rape=Rape the rapist

          etc

          That is not justice, that is vengence.

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          • Grumpy Old Man says:

            Note the ‘a’ in vengeance, Billy. An eye for an eye, is Old Testament and is common to all 3 religions of the Book. I’m not suggesting an eye for an eye, I’m suggesting more appropriate punishments, with state execution as a last resort. Life meaning life is a good idea which should be implemented. It’s worth remembering that Stalin made his name as a terrorist and armed robber who personally murdered many even before he became ruler of all the Russias. He was imprisoned several times by the Tsarist regime. If he’s been topped for his serial murders, the world would arguably be a better place.

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          • non believer says:

            Stalin being locked up for life would have had the same result numb nuts

            Why you’re bringing the bible into this is beyond me, religion influencing government policy?

            Go fuck yourself.

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  47. 106
    Cream Puff says:

    Is this site now heading right of the Daily Mail?
    or is it really the Dail Mail?
    I havent read such a load of absolute SHIT from a blog in all my life
    Guido has obviously lost the plot by pushing an agenda for capital punishment
    Where the fuck did that come from???
    Personally I’m against it
    So unless your some toss bag Tea Party member from Texas, I think you should wake up and smell the coffee

    Like

    • 141
      Anonymous says:

      “I havent read such a load of absolute SHIT from a blog in all my life”

      You obviously haven’t spent much time in the blogosphere. Though undoubtedly absolute shit, this is pretty low-grade absolute shit, as absolute shit goes.

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  48. 109
    Anonymous says:

    The education in this country really is the pits – all these people mistaking democracy for mob rule.

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  49. 115
    Executive Summary says:

    Current top 2 are to restore capital punishment and, er, to keep the ban on capital punishment.

    Like

  50. 117
    Colonel Nut. says:

    More bent coppers emerging today,five sacked on Merseyside.Given the amount of corruption coming to light,would it really be safe and just to bring back hanging for murdering one?

    Like

  51. 121
    AndyS says:

    I can’t support this particular petition because it effectively states that the lives of children and police officers are more important than those of everyone else. If the death penalty is restored, it should be for the murder of any human being.

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  52. 128
    JM says:

    Pathetic. Plucking two categories (child killers, police killers) out of the air at random without any consideration of any issues. Then dressing it up like a serious proposal.

    Ho hum, at least we get a nice list of MPs to never vote for again when they chirp up and give support to this reprehensible backward scheme.

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    • 153
      Sir William Waad says:

      It’s not random. Polls indicate that, while a very small majority of people are against the death penalty in general, the bloodlust naturally rises when they think of a sweet little blonde girl being murdered.

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      • 205
        sockpuppet #4 says:

        Good job Damilola Taylor smiled nicely for his school photo, otherwise that would have been a really poor story.

        Like

  53. 128
    Anonymous says:

    On what basis is this issue being put forward in the form of an e-petition? Arguments merely relying on consensus are automatically fallacious. Just because the average MP seems to exhibit all of the cognitive capability of a battered cabbage, that shouldn’t mean that we should take society back toward the Dark Ages because a blogger would rather revel in hypocrisy than justice.

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  54. 130
    Simon says:

    The usual hang em flog em brigade ,”better to hang one innocent man than let a guilty one go free ” ,has anyone noticed that we don’t have a perfect system ? corrupt police ,self seeking politicians and a press that will say or do anything to sell newspapers , hasn’t history taught us anything ? Think! – let judges and juries decide , life should be life , not mandatory but a decision made at a trial , no unelected minister deciding the sentence because an editor makes it an issue ,lets get back to justice .

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    • 143
      Anonymous says:

      And of course, Guido goes mental when other civil liberties are infringed, “nothing to hide nothing to fear” normally being anathema to him.

      Odd how it’s different when it comes to the state killing people. Almost as if he wants the job of executioner himself. Sick man.

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  55. 135
    You want to be in the same gang as THIS lot? says:

    Restoring the death penalty would put us in the warm fuzzy company of nations like China, Saudi Arabia, Iran, Iraq, North Korea, Yemen, Bahrain, Syria, Vietnam and Bangladesh.

    And before anyone mentions our biggest ally, the death penalty in the US is decided upon by states, it’s not a federal policy. Many states don’t have it.

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  56. 137
    Jacqui 5 Bellies, John Reid, Fatty Clarke, David Blunkett says:

    Come on, guys! You can trust us with the death penalty!

    Like

    • 198
      Grumpy Old Man says:

      In a sense you could. All four would never allow it to be used. exept possibly Jaqui would make an exception for Tory MPs holding the Labour Government to account.

      Like

  57. 140
    Mad Malky the Alky says:

    Let me get this straight – if I wait till PC Plod goes off duty I can top him and I won’t get my neck stretched? Sounds like a good deal.

    Like

  58. 147
    Arthurgreenwood says:

    I’ve just heard Radio 4 news headlines describe it as petition to bring back hanging. Where did that come from?

    Like

  59. 150
    Cato Street Conspirator says:

    ‘HM Government
    Sorry, something went wrong.
    We are very sorry, but we were unable to complete your last action.
    We have been notified about the problem and will resolve it as quickly as possible.’

    Is what they said.

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  60. 151
    Mr H says:

    I’m not a conspiracy theorist, but…

    When you try to sign the petition, you either get a page not found page, or you get the page, but when you click on the sign the petition page, you get a page not found page.

    Strange.

    Like

  61. 154
    Not a good start says:

    Sorry, something went wrong.

    http://epetitions.direct.gov.uk/petitions

    Another bloayed HMG IT project up shit creek

    Like

  62. 155
    Anonymous says:

    Ha – it’s down.

    Hanging and flogging will have to wait til tomorrow.

    Re this organised campaign, adverts, etc. No doubt it will get 100k signatories, but what difference will it make? None.

    Like

  63. 156
    pj21 says:

    Can’t sign the petition – “sorry, something has gone wrong”

    Hmmmmm.

    Like

  64. 157
    Staunch catholics like Guido aren't best placed to decide on justice says:

    Guido’s basically saying a copper’s life has more value than his own wife’s. So, if someone caved in the head of crooked c unt Ali Dizaei, he’d be hung, but if he did it to Mrs Guido, he’d get life and probably be out on parole in ten. Smart. Very smart.

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  65. 160
    Bill Wiggin says:

    I’m not one for democracy myself. I much prefer to do what I like and get the police to help me with any dissenters. The political life is overrated so the little people should just fuck off

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  66. 161
    Chris Squire says:

    Try this one instead:

    ‘Petition to retain the ban on Capital Punishment

    Responsible department: Ministry of Justice

    A petition to call on the government to retain its position regards the abolition of the Death Penalty for all offences. That the British people note that only 58 nations currently use capital punishment, as opposed to 95 which have abolished it, further notes the un-retractable nature of such a sentence in incidents of miscarriages of Justice, further notes the death penalty does not reduce crime or act as a deterrent and in US states which practice capital punishment incidents of homicide are higher than US states which do not, further notes the higher cost of capital punishment compared to life imprisonment, believes that British Justice should not be in the same league as China, Iran, North Korea, Yemen, Saudi Arabia, Libya and Syria which do practice capital punishment on a routine basis and that the death penalty is the ultimate denial of human rights and an affront to the values of British Justice.’
    http://epetitions.direct.gov.uk/petitions/1090

    Like

    • 240
      Dilligaff says:

      Interesting that that link works perfectly and yet Guido’s petition is verboten, nicht wahr?
      So, it would seem that the website’s ‘problems’ are selective.

      Like

    • 332
      lol says:

      Currently the #1 e-petition on the site

      Like

  67. 162
    • 212
      sockpuppet #4 says:

      “There was outrage over the treatment of Milly’s parents at the Old Bailey trial”
      So we’re going to rake through all the details yet again for your entertainment.

      Thats not news is it. a bit old.

      Like

  68. 166
    Billy Bowden is the greatest umpire ever ! says:

    Just think, If Labour win next gen election and this is passed , your Minister for Vengence would be Sadiq Khan.

    Ironic?

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  69. 167
    Loungelizard says:

    This could be tied in with the longevity problem. Lump sum on retirement as long as they agreed to be topped before they reached an agreed age, could save the taxpayer billions.

    Like

  70. 168
    Anonymous says:

    Just saw guido on the BBC… what’s all that about having your mail box full of supporting messages? This page is full of people telling him his proposal stinks, for turning into the daily mail, for elevating pigs to the status of innocent children and being a publicity whore.

    Like

  71. 169
    Now THIS petition I agree with says:

    There’s a petition calling for prisoners’ diets to be restricted to bread and water “as in the good old days”. :-D
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-14400246

    Like

  72. 170
    Alan Douglas says:

    Trying to sign up I get “Something went wrong” several times at different stages.

    What a surprise …

    Alan Douglas

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  73. 173
    choices choices says:

    There’s loads of capital punishment epetitions
    http://epetitions.direct.gov.uk/petitions

    Like

    • 354
      Five Lies says:

      Which is odd, as “Any petition deemed to be libellous, offensive, duplicates of existing open petitions or not related to government will be rejected.”

      Like

  74. 174
    Spartacus says:

    All this jumping up and down about something that wont happen, and meanwhile in Somalia millions are starving and many already dead.
    Their crime?

    Like

    • 204
      Grumpy Old Man says:

      Just what has the deliberate taking of a human life got to do with a natural disaster? If you are that bothered, rather than looking for another piece of shit to hurl, organise a fund-raising activity in aid of starving east africans. I’ll contribute.

      Like

    • 206
      Bob says:

      Too fucking many of them for the food they produce.

      Stop them fuking and having babies for say 10 years until they can produce enough food to feed all the people.

      Why should we send money when you see a 25 year old with 5 children complaining she has no food, NOT FUCKING ROCKET SCIENCE

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      • 257
        Ivan Upcock says:

        Back-to-back years of drought have caused it. Look out of the window and give thanks that you live in a wet country where all the livestock don’t die of thirst.
        (They die due to the government infecting animals with foot and mouth, but that’s another matter.)

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    • 379
      God is an Englishman. says:

      That’s natural population control, not a crime.

      Like

  75. 177
    Drum says:

    That’s the problem with democracy. Even morons get to have an opinion and vote.

    Like

  76. 180
    THE BOSH says:

    everytime u go to vote on the goverment website it says soory there is a problem
    with this page ?????????????????

    WHY

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  77. 182
    see below says:

    Fuck right off.

    Like

  78. 185
    Billy Bowden is the greatest umpire ever ! says:

    First!

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  79. 186
    THE BOSH says:

    GO TO THE CAPITAL OF SOMALIA AND SEE ALL THE MONEY PEOPLE DRINKING WINE DRINKING BEER SAT IN MCDONALDS ,
    WHILE MUGS LIKE US SEND MONEY TO HELP PEOPLE STOP THE RELIEF MAKE THE WINE AND MCDONALDS MEN WOMEN LOOK AFTER THERE OWN .

    give them nothing death is a consequence ??

    CONDOMS that wat they need birth control ?
    Live aid 1985 did it work NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO.

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  80. 188
    Maggie's Thatch says:

    Don’t miss Margaret on BBC 4 tonight, about Thatcher’s last 11 days in office. It’ll be worth watching just for the brilliant Ian McDiarmid as Denis.

    Like

  81. 190
    Eileen Critchley says:

    What’s the opposite of the Loony Left?

    Anyway, the Police are just too corrupt and incompetent to allow the death penalty.

    I think someone has been sat in the sun for a bit too long!

    Like

  82. 192
    Joe Ratface Zinger & Moo Ham Mad says:

    Joe: I’m the Peedoh Pope and I endorse the death penalty.

    Moo: I’m the Peedoh Prophet and I endorse the death penalty.

    Like

  83. 193
    El Diablo says:

    If the whinging liberals complain about bringing back capital punishment we should say fine ok…but we will remove secure wings and special treatment and put all the kiddy fiddlers and rapists into general population and let the real hard bastard prisoners give them a special warm welcome.

    Like

  84. 194
    Walter Wolfgang says:

    I didn’t survive the Hol-o-caust so I could see my country give the state the power to kill. I’ve already been held under the Prevention of Terrorism Act for heckling. Good thing we didn’t have the death penalty then! Those Labour types are a touch heavy handed as I discovered for myself.

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  85. 195
    Anonymous says:

    You are never going to get the reintroduction of the death penalty, there are too many good reasons not to. Your petition should call for debate on making life in prison mean LIFE if the death penalty is not introduced.

    We need tough prisons and proper life sentences for the murderers.. Then there is no need for the death penalty

    Like

    • 236
      Dilligaff says:

      How much to keep one of the poor misunderstood darlings in nick for the rest of his life, ensuring that his human rights are not infringed and how much does 15 foot of rope cost? There is a reason, plain as a pikestaff.

      Like

  86. 197
  87. 203
    twobells says:

    It’s impossible to connect to Paul’s E Petition, i can access any other petition but not his, all I get is the directgov ‘something’s wrong’ message.
    While it may be overflow it is suspect.

    Like

  88. 208
    Half eyed Scottish Idiot says:

    HaHa!! I went on the govt website and it says ;-

    SORRY – SOMETHING WENT WRONG

    They can say that again

    Like

    • 210
      Steve Page says:

      Yup, its absolutely sickening how far we have fallen when it comes to state competence.

      Like

  89. 209
    Steve Page says:

    I have been trying for hours, while I can load any other petition Mr Staines link (whether direct from here or through the e petition list) all I get for his petition is:

    Sorry, something went wrong.
    We are very sorry, but we were unable to complete your last action.

    We have been notified about the problem and will resolve it as quickly as possible.

    Please click on the button below to return to the home page.

    Return to home page

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  90. 215
    Steve Page says:

    Site’s gone down (shakes head in disbelief)

    Like

  91. 217
    Stephen says:

    Very Sad.

    Like

  92. 218
    William Trowther Blemworth says:

    Guido is hanging his blog with this campaign

    Like

  93. 220
    Stinkfinger says:

    There is currently a labour MP trying to get a bill through Parliament that would increase the sentence for dangerous driving to 7 years.
    He has brought all the emotional tools out the box to make his point.Including statements from victims families.
    The strategy of using emotion to pass laws and regulation is not confined to the ‘right’ at all.
    In fact the ‘left’ use this tactic all the time.
    It only becomes a ‘populist’ ‘reactionary’ ‘kneejerk’ topic when it doesn’t happen to suit them.

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  94. 221
    Xavier Onassis says:

    Tried to get onto the link “sorry, there has been a problem, unable to open this” was the response from our government. Surprise, surprise!

    Terrorism should be added to the chop list. We should have had the guts to hang Gerry Adams, Martin McGuinness and the rest of their criminal gang. But that would probably mean we’d have to string up a few mohammedans in the future, and we all know this crowd must be appeased at every opportunity!

    It’s all window dressing. The juggernaut will roll on as before, and stuff anyone who wants something different.

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    • 308
      Anonymous says:

      If you knew how loosely terrorism is defined you would not say that.

      At its most expansive, TA 2000 allows; THREAT of an action to influence the government and for furthering a cause, which creates a serious RISK to health or safety of some people.

      If guido suggested that if he doesn’t get his debate he will send his followers to protest, and if that protest was feared to be capable of affecting the safety of the public, he would be a terrorist.

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  95. 222
    Steve Page says:

    update: 13:30 SKY NEWS:

    Left Wing politicians are calling for the ‘death penalty’ E Petition to be disallowed due to ‘abuse of process’ after ‘right wing blogs’ promoted it.
    Typical socialist ideology if they cannot control it…ban it.

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  96. 228
    Jimmy says:

    It’s not working. Do you think Piers has hacked it?

    Like

  97. 230
    Dilligaff says:

    Sorry, something went wrong.

    We are very sorry, but we were unable to complete your last action.

    We have been notified about the problem and will resolve it as quickly as possible.

    In the meantime, here’s some soothing music whilst we fuck you about enough to prevent your garnering the requisite 100,000 signatures.

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  98. 238
    Lomax says:

    I am going to put a petition on there, if they ever get the website working – ” HMG should not try to do anything with any form of IT because they are completely incompetent and do not know how to do IT”

    Useless tossers – entirely predictable that they would fuck up. The question now is, will it (the epetitionss site/idea) just be swept under the carpet/left broken now that they realise that folks really would like to tell this useless bunch of posh tossers in charge, what they want? Were the head prefect and his fags thinking that we are all apathetic and nowt sensible would be proposed?

    Wankers.

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  99. 239
    Jimmy says:

    By the way, so far as I can remember the petition site operated perfectly well under the last government.

    I’m just saying…

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  100. 245
    Hear No Evil says:

    It’s not accepting signatures at the moment!

    Like

  101. 250
  102. 251
    Cynic says:

    This scares them

    Like

  103. 253
    Richard Cooke says:

    Completely agree with Capital Punishment which should be applied for all murderers and for rape of a minor. I frankly do not know whether or not it is a deterrent. The evidence is inconclusive. I don’t think it encourages anyone! Pure and simple this is about Justice. We should have a referendum and trust what the people decide, not leave it to the spineless political class who have for generations failed to deliver effective punishments. I have read of numerous cases of murderers who have been released from prison and killed again. Most of those potential “miscarriages of justice” involved defendants who were career criminals anyway! Hardly a great loss to society.

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  104. 254
    Jacob Stoatgobbler says:

    So we have a self-certified Irishman demanding British Politicians change British Laws (from which self-cert has protected himself with offshore status) demanding a return to an abandoned 1950s penal code…..Even the Irish got rid of it for good in 2002. We have never had it so good, clearly. Will this improve it? Is the number of wrongful executions in the US not a sobering enough statistic?

    I am truly sorry for the British treatment of the Irish through the ages, but this seems a bit of a round-about route to even the numbers up a bit, don’t you think?

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  105. 255
    bnzss says:

    Honestly didn’t think people were still in favour of the death penalty.

    Oh well, at least I know now where all the nutters are. Heh.

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  106. 259
    Is this the Daily Mail? says:

    This is silly. Are you lot sanguine about the innocent people murdered by the State as a result? Capital Punishment makes us no better than the murderers themselves.

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    • 279
      Northern Convert says:

      “ I do not like playing the part, but I accepted it at once without seeing the script. I have never felt so totally involved in any part as this. It is a most devastating statement on capital punishment.[2]
      Quote from Richard Attenbourgh playing the part of Christie in Ten Rillington Place.
      Evans was executed in 1950 and pardond in 1966. The only winners would be the media, were the death penalty to be reinstated!

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  107. 263
    Anonymous says:

    Your petition – 592

    Petition to keep the ban – 743

    LOSER!

    Off to the gallows with you.

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    • 268
      Anonymous says:

      807 to 618 now. Excellent!

      Like

      • 271
        twobells says:

        Silly boy, the pro death penalty petition was down for over two hours as it crashed the board.

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        • 274
          Anonymous says:

          I couldn’t sign the anti-death penalty petition for two hours either.

          975 plays 657.

          Like

          • Steve Page says:

            When you add in the forty other pro capital punishment petitions it comes in at approx 1,6000 so far.

            Like

      • 285
        twobells says:

        re: “I couldn’t access the anti petition.”

        That’s weird everyone I know could log into the anti death penalty petition np, yet the pro death penalty page was down consistently due to attempted access.

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  108. 265
    Get a grip says:

    MP’s are not delegates. They are supposed to use their own judgement. If constituents feel that strongly about any position a MP takes up they are free to vote against them in the next election.
    That’s how our Constitution works. There is not a snow ball in Hell’s chance of the restoration of the death penalty and if any of you feel so strongly about that particular issue you have at least 2 options.

    a. Run for office yourself on that issue.
    b. Vote against your MP at the next election.

    People often claim strong feelings on individual subjects, but usually not enough to affect they way they vote.
    Incidentally this petition will backfire on those of us on the right, by providing grist to the mill of those on the left who seek to portray us as the nasty party. The priority at the moment should be a debate on membership of the EU. For the future of this country that is far more important than restoration of the death penalty.

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    • 313
      Anonymous says:

      3 options;

      a. Run for office yourself on that issue.
      b. Vote against your MP at the next election.

      or c. Move to Iran/China/USA etc.

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  109. 272
    Hard-Lazing Voter says:

    I don’t support the death penalty, but I love this for making the British progs throw a hard shitfit. Case in point:

    Classy, huh? Bunch of nobheads.

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    • 282
      non believer says:

      yup, they should follow the lead of this blog and it’s inhabitants

      nothing but genteel, reasoned and cogent debate can be found here.

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      • 297
        Hard-Lazing Voter says:

        Its inhabitants. Possessives.

        Come on, Fabians, I thought you were supposed to be intelligent.

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  110. 273
    Anonymous says:

    Oh dear, 939 to 655.

    This is embarrassing for you Guido.

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  111. 276
    Anonymous says:

    Haha – the keep the death penalty petition heads into 4 figures…..massive FAIL, Guido.

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    • 296
      Hard-Lazing Voter says:

      I’m sure you conveniently ignore the private petition that’s been taking place.

      Massive fail, you say? Indeed.

      Like

      • 327
        Anonymous says:

        The only ones that count are on the website, I think you’ll find. Now 2 to 1 against Guido. But keep the excuses coming, they are rather amusing.

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        • 331
          Hard-Lazing Voter says:

          Right, because the other tens of thousand of signatures don’t exist.

          Nice work, Anonymong, it takes real commitment to be that stupid.

          Like

          • Anonymous says:

            You don’t understand how this e-petition thing works, do you.

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          • Hard-Lazing Voter says:

            You don’t understand how “petitioning” works in general, do you, Anonymong?

            Proggies making up their own rules as they go along doesn’t work anymore, I’m afraid.

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          • Anonymous says:

            If you think that the government will include signatures collected on a “private” petition in the e-petition total, then, in the context of “making up rules as we go along”, you are most definitely a “Proggie.”

            Like

          • Hard-Lazing Voter says:

            It’s cute how numbers appear to be a struggle for you. While they will likely include all the numbers together after a period of pressure, it’s doubtful they’ll ever do anything with it. So you’re won, Fabian. Why are you so mad?

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  112. 277
    Kevin T says:

    HM Government

    Sorry, something went wrong.

    Yes, on 28th November 1990.

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  113. 289
    Steve Page says:

    Crazy, even searching ‘restore death penalty’ throws up constant error messages.

    Like

  114. 300
    Reader losing faith in our values says:

    Wow… what are we becoming?
    The reaction to the constant media magnification of horrific events (is that what you are counting on Guido?);
    lets reverse our respect for life and move back into an “eye for an eye” barbarism.
    It is unbelievable that Guido Fawkes would be promoting the self-centered,
    hypocritical act of murdering murderers.
    And is this only for those who kill police and children?
    What if my grandmother is murdered? Not applicable?
    What a joke. We really are losing our culture and identity as a fair, considerate, ethical country that seeks to improve the human condition and I have assumed for my entire life that the hypocritical idea of capital punishment was long past us…
    Left to the likes of USA, China, Iran and several other minor players globally.
    Where they spend more money trying to kill someone than keeping them in detention for life, where we at LEAST have a chance to understand what they have done.
    For example in Norway, this despicable killer is alive.
    OK many people would simply want to see him hung by his privates and tortured.
    But what does that do for anyone?
    Now there is a chance to understand the bastard and learn that actually, many private citizens think like him about their nationality.
    If he was dead at this point, we would know NOTHING more about Norwegian far right activities, and the recent attention towards the English Defense League would have not occurred.
    How long until we see something like that in our country?

    We cannot bury our heads in the sand by executing killers and not asking questions which are far more difficult than satisfying some fraction of the public who have blood lust and are therefore potential enactors of violence themselves.
    The public is agreed – we dont like violence. We hate it, we read about it and shake our heads and call for action. It sells papers. So, why promote sanctioned murder?
    One thing that capital punishment would accomplish is pandering to right wing media; bring back colonialism while you are at it!

    Clearly this is a distraction tactic for another political move as of yet unknown.
    Why on EARTH would this discussion come up now?
    Is that what the British public want? I think under 700 people have signed the petition so far (04 Aug 2011; 1515 BST).

    Sorry Guido (whatever you are, for I no longer know),
    I feel you are now playing all your readers right into the hands of some unknown agenda. It is a pathetic and one dimensional reactionary idea that screams of favouritism and appeasing newspapers such as News of the World (oh, nevermind thats redundant)…

    Perhaps this is the story that the new NOTW replacement sunday paper will need to kick start its bloody minded exploitative campaigns that will no doubt continue to confuse and distract people from truly important events.
    Or is this CP petition coming now, because the Euro seems to be crashing?
    Just the time to reverse our ethical societal values as we must “move away from Europe”? That will be the line I suppose.

    I have never been an advocate of the Euro, but our shared values of humanity, surely we want to be aligned to those in Europe? In some cases I am sure we lead by example – not if we go back to CP, especially a socially selective form which would send completely the wrong message to all those potential criminals that we are so afraid of…

    And me, I am afraid of all those angry people here who feel they can judge whether someone should live or die based on what they are reading in a newspaper. Why are we still believing their rubbish? Didnt the NOTW and new investigations bring some realization that they are not the seekers of truth but writers of controversy? A shame now that Guido joins their ranks. I suppose now everyone who is not in favour of executing killers is themselves a paedophile rapist killer sympathiser!

    A.G. – London

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    • 301
      Kevin T says:

      While people like you are in charge, not long.

      Like

    • 303
      Kevin T says:

      Do you think they’ll allow my petition to go live?

      The title is “Kick Ed Balls up the arse”.

      Like

    • 312
      Ol' Blue Eyes says:

      The people of this country in general have never shared your values. Just because your sort has managed to dominate certain key professions, don’t fool yourself into thinking you are representative of the country and its values. You aren’t.

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      • 315
        Steve Page says:

        They didn’t just dominate certain professions they deliberately infiltrated them in order to indoctrinate young minds (teaching) and in others to promote socialist ideology via mass mediums.
        Just look at how they behaved in government: ruined the nation.
        What did they do after being chucked out: attempted to ruin the nation.

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  115. 306
    Well Paid Shill says:

    This will end up just like the “Big Repeal” website did, lots of suggestions and bugger all action

    Like

  116. 310
    Vast majority of the public says:

    Most people want murderers executed. FACT.

    In a democracy the will of the majority rules. FACT.

    Hang the scum.

    Like

    • 321
      Sir Barrington Minge says:

      Bollocks….talking through your arsehole!!!!!!

      Like

    • 342
      Simon says:

      If the will of the majority rules, then do you think it’s relevant that the petition to keep our ban of the Death Penalty has got so many more signatures than the one to bring it back?

      Like

  117. 314
    Axe The Telly Tax says:

    Funny how i can sign all the other e-petitions except Guido’s.

    I’ve tried 3 different email addresses and when i click the link i get a sorry message or page not found.

    Then you can’t use the same email again.

    Definitely being deliberatly nobbled by the government.

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    • 316
      Steve Page says:

      Yup it has happened to hundreds of people so far.

      Like

    • 318
      Steve Page says:

      DIrectGov just admitted they were flooded and the ‘restore’ page has been having trouble since 12:00 hrs but it’s starting to operate successfully again now.

      Like

    • 319
      non believer says:

      And so the pathetic search for excuses starts; bullshit tales of being able to sign all of the petitions but not being able to sign Guido’s are surely only the beginning; some one else earlier in the thread was trying to make out that only Guido’s petition was crashing.

      Pretty feeble.

      In any case I just signed Guido’s waste of time petition (purely for shits and giggles as it’s clear it’s not going to make a blind bit of difference) and it worked just fine for me.

      Carry on making shit up if it makes you fell better tho.

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      • 324
        Anonymous says:

        Bang on, the whole site is being screwed by the level of traffic, not just a single petition. Another wonderful IT success!

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  118. 329
    repel all nutters says:

    Lol look at the mis-spelling conspiratard gathering now. Lets look at more craziness. The G’ment couldn’t put up a website that would work properly. What’s new? Too many hits. Perhaps the concentrated assault of stupidity, caused it to Go Home, The other site which was an equal nutter magnet crashed under the heavy weight of comments about Raoul Moat. It burned when it was first setup too. And was widely ignored by our Government as being full of cranks. Mind you this site is acting like a slug too, that’ll be because of all the crap Guido has loaded it with.

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  119. 334
    Anonymous says:

    Such a waste of money if the death penalty ever gets debated by Parliament.

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    • 381
      Anonymous says:

      A total waste of money as even if it gets debated it will never be reintroduced. I want my MPs to debate serious issues that could actually lead to something. This will just be a debate about a law that will never be passed. All those people calling for the death penalty should go and visit somebody on death row in the states or go and see it in Saudi Arabia. Once you have seen the reality of the situation I fully expect you to all go and hide under a rock. Muppets the lot of you!

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      • 384
        Michael Granger says:

        I agree. Muppets the lot of them. If there is a debate it will last about an hour then that will be the end of it…will grab some headlines and still won’t be reintroduced. Guido Fawkes and all that follow are misguided fools. Get a life and stop dabbling in things you know nothing about.

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  120. 335
    Stephen Willhoughby says:

    I was under the impression libertarians did not trust the state to run anything.

    So why do they now want to give the state back the power to murder?

    And now that we know for certain that our government and our police force are corrupt to the bone, why would anyone entrust them with anything? If the state and big businesses such as NI can be so entwined, then are we 100% sure there will never be any cover ups? 100% sure no innocent man will ever be fitted up by the police?

    Sorry, I don’t trust them. So I fail to see why anyone else would.

    Two words come to mind whenever I hear people wanting to reinstate the death penalty: “Birmingham” and “Six”.

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    • 360
      StrangerHereMyself says:

      Two words come to mind whenever I hear people rattling on about the “Birmingham Six”: “Birmingham” and “21”. 21 being the number of civilians killed in the Birmingham pubs that were bombed by the IRA, but who apparently don’t count as much as six republicans arrested on their way to a republican terrorist’s funeral (that of James McDade who died when the bomb he was planting in Coventry blew up prematurely).

      Where do I sign the “Justice for the Enniskillen 12” petition? Doesn’t exist? No-one cares about the 12 civilians murdered by the IRA at Enniskillen?
      How about the “Kingsmill 10”? No-one cares about them either? Surely there’s a petition for the “Northern Ireland 2,060”, the 2,060 people murdered by republican terrorists over the long conflict? Nope? Guess they’ll just have to whistle before they get films, songs, and endless mentions on internet forums by outraged liberati.

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  121. 336
    To the Gallows! says:

    Great poll Mr F, but I think the terms are a trifle narrow? Surely we should extend hanging offenses to include drink-driving? After all, there is clear statistical evidence to link drink-driving to increased road deaths. Drink-drivers are also notorious recidivists, often being convicted more than once for the crime! Surely by hanging these sad fucks before they run over a young child or (god forbid) an on-duty police officer would be the best way of safeguarding our fragile society? What do you think?

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  122. 338
    Anonymous says:

    Guido – I think you need to educate your followers as to how this e-petition thing works. Some appear to be under the impression that the government will count signatures collected elsewhere.

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  123. 341
    Simon says:

    In fairness, I’m sure that even Guido himself would have to admit that seeing the anti Death Penalty petition getting twice as many signatures as his is really rather funny…

    Like

    • 347
      John says:

      Actually the anti death penalty petition is getting nearer to three times as many votes. Stick that in your pipe mate you evil ****

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  124. 343
    Anonymous says:

    Guido
    How many “hang Nelson Mandela” t-shirts did you sell before Tebbit closed your rabid FCS faction?

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  125. 344
    Wayne And Waynetta's Sugar Daddy says:

    F1 more popular than hanging

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  126. 345
    Sir Terrence VI says:

    So funny reading the stupid lefty comments like “i think those who sign the petition should be first to receive it” and “what if you allowed your son to be executed”

    it’d be a whole different story if they found out that their son/daughter was raped and murdered by a remorseless psycho peadophile who then takes the prison to court because he got raped and shanked in the showers by “Big Daddy” Winston O’Cripes

    plus if people brought their kids up better they wouldn’t be facing the end of the rope in the first place… idiots

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  127. 346
    john in cheshire says:

    Guido, I tend to favour the restoration of capital punishment.
    But, there is maybe a question of timing. If it is restored now, then the powers in charge could use it to eliminate rebellious elements in our country, when the eventually arise. At least, for the moment, an insurrection would only result in incarceration (unless, of course, Cressida Dick is on duty at the time). The time to reintroduce capital punishment, is once we have regained control over our country and our enemies are in custody, because they should be the first to feel the benefit.

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  128. 348
    Anonymous says:

    It’s hilarious how bad Guido’s petition, with the plugging in newspapers, is doing compared to a petition set up by a nobody.

    Like

    • 351
      Dave Griffiths says:

      Agreed, twice as many votes so far! Expect mentions of his petition to be quietly dropped.

      Come on Guido, how about a petition in favour of dropping the 50% tax rate for your banker mates.

      Like

    • 383
      Hard-Lazing Voter says:

      The death penalty should only be imposed on progs like Anonymous anyway.

      Like

  129. 352
    not fat or bad dyed hair says:

    fat men with bad dyed hair should be given the death penalty for their arrogance

    Like

  130. 353
    Professor Henry Brubaker, Institute for Studies says:

    Seems theres something fishy going on. Its strange that the e-petition to back hanging is the only one currently not working…..

    Like

  131. 355
    Nick Payne says:

    I stand completely opposed to the motion. I find the idea of hating enemies so much that we become our enemy, abhorrent.

    You’d never find an ally of me in this. I don’t see how revenge (because lets face it, that’s what it is), does anything positive. It doesn’t bring back the victims… it doesn’t dampen the sense of deep loss or hurt.

    Why do we need to step down from the moral high ground in order to mete so called “justice”?

    If this got pushed through I’d become civilly disobedient on the issue.

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  132. 356
    Tim H says:

    Paul Staines has shown there is real support for the return of the death penalty, and it looks like up to 30% of the public would support it.

    Like

  133. 358
    gmseed says:

    I’ve tried to sign to petition several times and still down, but will wait till it’s back online – if that occurs.

    Hanging should be brought back for all the pedophiles in the UK, and in particular the Pervert Priests who have been abusing innocent children for centuries.

    If the UK is a democracy [as we are often told] then let the people decide on whether to bring back hanging. Democracy is the will of the majority irrespective of whether you agree with it or not. Every night of the week we see TV programs inviting us to vote on reality shows. It is not rocket science to extend this service to all UK citizens [via NI number/password] to vote on both local and national issues, bringing a return to true democracy and not this half-assed thing called parliamentary democracy.

    The e-petitions system is a classic governmental initiative at trying to keep the masses happy in making them believing they are contributing when all the while the MPs do what they want anyway.

    The e-petitions is an example of the dictatorship that the UK has in government. Just like when millions took to the streets to object to the Iraq Attack the government ignored these protests and went along with the murder of 600,000+ innocent Iraqis. If 50million people voted to bring back ganging the UK gov. would still not reinstate it. The reason is that they are dictators and cannot adhere to true democracy.

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    • 369
      Reader losing faith in our values says:

      Example:
      51% of people on a given day may decide to reverse a decision about banning execution that was made long ago and took so long to achieve (universal human rights etc?).
      The other 49% of people on that day can eat humble pie and shut up, execution has resumed.
      That seems more like half the population dictating to the other half to me, rather than “democracy” where everyone has a voice and representation.
      But what if a month later 1% of people changed their minds about the whole thing and 51% suddenly want execution banned again?
      Will there then be another vote?
      I suggest it is a BIT more important than the f****** AV or MP’s expenses or Rupert Murdoch getting a pie in the face.

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    • 370
      Redpoll says:

      You’re obviously rabid and should go onto medication…you have much in common with that Norwegian murdering nutter. (Name and address supplied if you go and see a psychiatrist and have a note from your mum).

      Like

    • 372
      anon says:

      “If the UK is a democracy [as we are often told] then let the people decide on whether to bring back hanging.”

      We did, hanging was abolished.

      The vast majority of people still oppose the death penalty. As you are so pro-democracy presumably you are now happy? Or perhaps you are only a fan of democracy when the majority agree with you?

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  134. 361
    Anonymous says:

    The could have done some stress testing…

    *They

    Everyone makes mistakes. The justice system is not infallible. The risk of killing an innocent person is not a risk worth taking.

    Like

  135. 362
    Anonymous says:

    Petition is back up & running!!!

    Like

  136. 365
    God is an Englishman. says:

    The principal is right, but Guido’s grammar is a bit iffy!
    “murder of children and police officers when on duty”
    ….thus implying that it allpies not only to police officers on duty, but also children on duty.

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  137. 366
    God is an Englishman. says:

    Grrr .
    Typo in my hurry to post, combined with arthritic one finger keyboard bashing : “allpies” should be “applies”, but the point still holds good.

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  138. 367
    Sid says:

    I keep wondering why Guido is such a tit.

    Like

  139. 368
    Redpoll says:

    Is it true Guido’s a stooge of the Daily Mail? Or, is he just a closet fascist? The nazis used to guillotine people (legally in their eyes) some of them, The White Rose people, merely young people protesting about atrocities Either way he’s pushing a pretty nasty agenda that won’t do any of us any good. Of course it’s all being done for the best of motives…how does pushing state murder help us? But then he named himself after some one who plotted mass murder, so no doubt agrees with terrorists committing mass murder…it all comes together. You need closing down like the NoW. Ooh! Aren’t you controversial? We’ve just seen 8 black kids jailed for murdering another young guy, can you imagine what would happen if those 8 had been subject to capital punishment? If you think they would be executed and that would be the end of it then you are naieve.

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  140. 373
    Opinicus says:

    Done

    http://epetitions.direct.gov.uk/petitions/174

    Here’s another you may like

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  141. 374
    Dhalgren says:

    So this Tory blogger is calling for the return of the death penalty, and what does he do? He calls for the execution of not all murderers (which is easier for me to support), but only the killers of children and police. This distinction is precisely why many Western countries got rid of capital punishment to begin with. Since it was either impractical or impossible to sentence all murderers to death, prosecutors went after only those who killed the most sympathetic victims (white female victims in the USA for example). This made victims unequal, which is arguably unfair, since they were all ultimately deprived of their lives in the end. And it was also unfair to low income defendants, who didn’t have adequate representation to avoid a death sentance. So in the USA, we have the poorest defendants, accused of commiting the most sensationalist crimes, in a small percentage of states, given the death sentance. That’s unequal justice.

    So let this American (where we presume our defendants to be innocent, by the way) ask another question. I know crime is up in the UK over the last 10 years. But is really so out of control that the death penalty needs to be brought back? Is the UK really unsafe? Might I invite any of you to visit Saint Louis, Newark, Detroit, or Baltimore and then tell me that any city in the UK is anywhere near those on the crime scale?

    We Americans like to think you British as more civilized than us. Please keep it that way. Don’t go down the capital punishment road again. When murder victims and defendants are given different levels of worth, it harms the justice system, and by extension, society.

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  142. 375
    Anonymous says:

    No. The state would have murdered a number of completely innocent people by now because of miscarriages of justice. You can’t release a corpse and say sorry.

    Like

  143. 377
    Cut Uk Taxes says:

    Why is my petition on reducing VAT not listed on the site?

    Like

  144. 385
    Anonymous says:

    So, the government website to register one’s opinion on has gone down.
    It would appear that the Huffington Post opinion section has also got Gremlins in.
    Any (disconnection) connection? If so, then as the great philosopher John Mcenroe might have put it. “You cannot be Syria, (Camo) Man”.

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  145. 386
    littlevoice says:

    So, the government website to register one’s opinion on has gone down.
    It would appear that the Huffington Post opinion section has also got the Gremlins in. And even this site is acting a bit sticky.
    Any (disconnection) connection?
    If so, then as the great philosopher John Mcenroe might have put it.
    “You cannot be Syria, (Camo) Man”.

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  146. 390
    Nick Payne says:

    For a right wing libertarian you are taking the most ludicrous of authoritarian lines.

    Like

  147. 392
    HDB111 says:

    Tried signing, it will not send me the e-mil to confirm but will not accept the e-mail address when I try to re-enter. No paranoid but they do not ant this one.

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Ruffley Loses Confidence of Constituency | Guardian
Ruffley Under Pressure to Quit | Telegraph
Gove Launches Ruffley Probe | Staggers
Clegg Must Fire David Ward | Sun
David Ruffley’s Campaign Against Domestic Violence | Buzzfeed
LibDem Criticises Clegg Over Farage Debates | Express
Ruffley Must Go | Guardian


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New Foreign Secretary Philip Hammond has big ambitions in his first meeting with Benjamin Netanyahu today:

“I came to bring this conflict to an end.”



Flight Watch says:

Russia Today is a cauldron of bullsh*t. The only people that take it seriously are deluded conspiracy theorists. Other RT journos have resigned citing the same reasons.

It’s about as believable as Press TV, KCNA of North Korea or the Daily Mirror.


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