People Power: Yes We Can
As soon as the government’s e-Petitions website goes live later today we will email the thousands of people who have already registered to support the restoration of the death penalty.
We petition the government to review all treaties and international commitments which may inhibit the ability of Parliament to restore capital punishment. Following this review, the Ministry of Justice should map out the necessary legislative steps which will be required to restore the death penalty for the murder of children and police officers when killed in the line of duty.
The findings of the review and the necessary substantive legislation to be presented to House of Commons for debate no later than 12 months after this petition passes the acceptance threshold.
To register your support, and receive a reminder as soon as the official site goes live, fill out the form below:
can you now make the same effort to get a referendum on leaving the EU and simply becoming a trading partner like Switzerland/Norway.
Thanks.
Daily Express have one already. No point in duplication.
Who the fuck reads the Daily Express, apart from “Diana was a pregnant alien” conspiracy freaks?
i knew she was an alien..but didn’t know she was pregfgers…jeez..
She was about to lay a cluthc if eggs when a time lord flashed her driver with a sonic screwdriver
People Power: No we can’t:
http://synonblog.dailymail.co.uk/2011/08/capital-punishment-camerons-lisbon-treaty-forbids-it-so-commons-is-powerless.html
DE should splash this on the front page to highlight Miliband’s hypocrisy, because the Sun won’t as Murdoch fears it might clash with his Sky-high ambitions.
You don’t have to read The Express.
The petition is online so just register and then leave the site.
The last people I would give my details to is the Express. Mind you they probably already have everything on me…
Exactly.
So run along and sign the petition.
How Many Women would have been Executed for the Murder of their Children through Wrongful conviction of COT DEATH.
None, obviously.
Don’t worry – Capital Punishment aint gonna happen.
Cot death is not a crime.
Smothering the child and blaming it on cot death is a crime.
Expert witnesses with a bee in their bonnets wrongly accusing women who’s children have died from cot death should be a hanging offence.
whose,ffs
Don’t know, how many? Oh yes I do, that would be none because, numbnuts, people are convicted of murder, cot death being a tragic and still largely unexplained natural phenomenen.
Are swivel-eyed by any chance, there seem to be rather a lot of randoM cApitalS in your POST. Doh!
Sally Clark for one. She was wrongly convicted of murdering her two children. Guido and the Daily Mail would have hanged her.
Collusion of the CPS, the Police and Expert Witnesses to find people Guilty of Murder.
1. Expert Witness Roy Meadows
2. CPS Non disclosure Ratcliffe power station
3. Police, Cmon every where and every time.
How many innocents will be Executed.
women, who in the rare event kill their own children (rather than misdiagnosed cot death), should be dealt with by the mental health system rather than criminal justice system (unless there is an obvious sadistic aspect).
similarly to drug addicts.
When we were having the AV referendum Peter Hain said in the debate that we shouldn’t have referendums because if we did we would have to bring back hanging. So they will just ignore this petition
How much more TAX will we have to pay, due to the far more stringent Prison systems that will have to be put in place to manage the Condemed. The USA Bill for Prisons is 600 Billion dollars. Great business if you can get into it.
Agreed! Whilst I agree with the restoration of the death penalty for pre-meditated murderers under exceptional circumstances, I think that a binding referendum on the membership of the EU is a much more critical and important issue. I have not signed the petition for the restoration of the death penalty, because it is getting in the way of the single most important issue today. EU membership prevents the UK government from taking the required action to repair much of the damage done to this country during the 13 year labour nightmare.
We need MORE, WAY MORE, than just the Express campaigning for the EU referendum.
I am very disappointed that the influence which Guido has through this blog has been wasted on this issue, when a referendum on EU membership would be far more useful.
I’m with you on that one.
And anyway, surely, if it’s wrong to kill,
it’s wrong to kill?
But is it wrong to release killers who then kill again ?
Not if he’s Libyan
Not if he’s Libyan and you havent got a shred of evidence.
Gaddafi lent us a scapegoat.
Under UK law it’s not wrong to kill an unborn child whose birth would be inconvenient, it’s not wrong that people in NHS geriatric wards regularly suffer death from complications brought on by dehydration and starvation, it’s not wrong to turn off life support systems against the wishes of relatives because of the cost of keeping the patient alive, but it’s wrong to execute a triple murderer whose continued life is abhorrent to a majority of the population and it’s wrong to kill someone who is carrying out a life-threatening assult on you and those dear to you in your own home. Do I sense a perverted sense of values in there somewhere?
uh oh it went ranty.
If you kill someone who is “carrying out a life-threatening assult on you and those dear to you in your own home” you will get away with it.
Tony Martin might have got away with it if he had been wearing pyjamas and slippers. (Top trumps:even though he killed a little boy)
yes Grumpy Old Man, and it’s seemingly not wrong to drive whist intoxicated and risk taking the life of an innocent either.
I was trying to come up with something
similar but your post is considerably
betterer than mine.
Need the death penalty for treason.
Why bother with petitions. Who was it that said “an eye for a finger” or something like that.
To show our disapproval of murderers, we must become more like them?
I have no resemblance to any Libyans, living or dead
No, Sir William. To show our disapproval of murderers, we must protect the rest of society from their actions. In the case of Bellfield, as I understand it, he is already 3 victims + one serious assult ahead of the game and the chances of all of those convictions being stitch-ups are remote in the extreme. Execution by due process is not the same as murder, and I am surprised that a man of your percipience would conflate the two. Bellfield is the perfect example in which execution should be considered as a remedy for the evil he has done, and gives a criterion by which to set the standard against which the remedy of execution could be set.
The death penalty should be used for only 2 cases
1 – crime
2 – anti-social behaviour
With a Heathite treasonous liberal hoon like rusty Dave at the helm we will never get a say on the EU or the death penalty.
Blue Labour out.
Whilst I support the death penalty for pre meditated murders, the EU in/out referendum is what we want. It is killing our democracy and costing us a fortune. Even the politicians know it but are in denial.
Never mind a referendum on repatriating powers from the EU, I’d like one on repatriating certain immigrants and their extended families.
I still don’t understand why it’s worse to kill someone aged 17 years 364 days and 23 hours than it is to kill someone aged 18 years and one minute.
I don’t understand why it’s worse to shag a girl aged 15 years 364 days and 23 hours than it is to shag a girl aged 16 years and one minute.
Nice try you lefty scumbag
That’s precisely why the CPS and judges are given plenty of discretion when handling such cases, something Guido (he censors comments if I use his real name) would not offer if he had his way.
Do you always call people “scumbag” if they have a different opinion to you? What a lovely person you must be.
Murder suspects get a jury trial.
12 men & women will decide if the defendant is guilty and on the severity of punishment (life imprisonment or death penalty).
That’s a good enough safeguard for me.
But if it’s up to the 12 men and women of the jury to decide whether or not someone’s crime is bad enough to warrant execution, why have a distinction between killing children (and police officers) and adults?
because the law has to provide a distinction or boundary, it always has done – so where would you draw the line? age 7 3/4 the mental age of Edmilitwat
The judge must always have discretion as life always has grey areas.
There’ll be fewer murder convictions if the jury knows that a guilty verdict would result in execution.
“That’s a good enough safeguard for me.”
But, you are a thick right-wing nutter.
The same reason that the speed limit is exactly 30 mph (or whatever). There has to be a limit somewhere. At whatever age we set it, there will be anomalies, but the only alternative to having a limit would be to leave children unprotected.
What would be your alternative?
Other criteria?
How much less is the life of a 22 year old woman worth than that of a 13 year old girl?
About 5000x less judging by the mirror’s coverage yesterday.
“Leave children unprotected” – maybe we should make sure our social services work better. Most children come to harm from their parents and people close to them – the death penalty wouldn’t make the slightest difference for them. Your evil child killer (a la Levi Bellfield) is actually a very rare occurrence.
Death penalty is all about revenge, not about protection or deterrence.
No its about Justice !
The age would be set lower, just in case it emerged that the “dead child” was spotty, took drugs, supported Man U, or wore a hoody. Of course in all cases they were special and loved life and everyone thought they were brilliant.
We’re playing “tabloid top trumps” of course.
To believe the tabloids, roughly 80% of blonde teenagers run over on holiday had 7000 close friends, would have gone on to Oxbridge or at the very least ran the International Committee of the Red Cross while composing patriotic symphonies on their mobile phones.
Drawing the line is what most arguments are about. Very difficult
Yet again facts from the Stephan Ciszko case appear:
His rather rubbish defense team really wanted to make sure that he didn’t get hanged. So they tried to plea manslaughter. Which of course meant he couldnt really say he was innocent.
I bring this up as an illustration of how the death penalty rather skews how trials are done. All sorts of tricks that distort truth and justice would appe*r.
Absolute cobblers – Capital Punishment was abolished in 1969, Kiszko was convicted for a murder committed in 1975. These are the facts . . .
Stefan Kiszko was convicted because of the sheer unadulterated incompetence of those charged with securing justice namely:
- West Yorkshire Police force who failed in the most basic checking of the forensic evidence they collected: ie the presence of sperm on the victims clothing and the indisputable fact that Kiszko was medically incapable of producing sperm through a condition identified as hypogonadism.
- David Waddington QC – later to become Home Secretary in which capacity he refused Kiszko an apppeal – who failed to grasp the possibility that his client was in fact innocent.
When the forensic evidence was finally examined and presented to the Court of Appeal in 1992, Kiszko was immediated cleared and released.
Now, lets talk about Ruth Ellis, Timothy Evans and Derek Bentley shall we?
Yes; that is right. Guido is thinking like an idiot, coming over all sentimental about the murder of children. Of course, anyone would? but it is not necessarily any worse than the murder of an adult, I can think of examples that are so distressing that I do not want to even mention them! SINCE KANT IT HAS BEEN KNOWN THAT MORAL PRINCIPLES HAVE TO COHERE!!!
I absolutely agree with you. Now justify abortion on demand.
Just read in the Telegraph that MI5 and 6 have coughed up ~ £12M for ‘British’ Gunatanmo detainees. A referendum on the death penalty can’t come soon enough.
What kind of libertarian wants to give such power to the state?
One which believes in protecting the public from violence.
Like being mistakenly killed by a corrupt / incompetent police force?
It’s only wrong if you kill a policeman. If the policeman kills you, tough shit.
And if your name is Cressida Dick you get a promotion into the bargain.
You may believe that capital punishment protects the public, but you’re a pretty incoherent libertarian if you do. It shouldn’t take your money, but it can take your life?
You want to protect the public from violence by extending the right to kill?
Go figure.
“We cannot teach that killing is wrong by killing. We cannot defend life by taking life.”
Cardinal Theodore McCarrick, Archbishop of Washington
Even Obama supports the death penalty for child killers in his book ‘The Audacity of Hope’.
Who the fuck is he?
One who’s not actually a libertarian at all, but just likes to say he is.
At the risk of stating the bleedin’ obvious, Guido isn’t (and never has been) a libertarian.
Isn’t that for Comrade Fawkes to say?
He can claim to be a libertarian if he wants to, but when he takes a position so strongly in favour of the most extreme form of state intervention imaginable, it’s difficult to take this claim seriously.
Isn’t there something rather oxymoronic about having a definite Libertarian policy?
You’re right there.
Just an arsehole.
I remember when it was Egham Hythe college of further sittingaboutonyourarse.
The kind of libertarian who believes that liberties only apply to him, and not to other people
Guido has worked as hard as anyone to show that we have bent cops, bent MPs, bent judiciary. Why give those people the power to kill? The death penalty is right in theory; in practise it’s not morally possible
The state just acts as the administrator of the people’s decision – 12 good men and true.
They reach that decision solely based on information provided to them by the police, CPS and defence.
Had to laugh, BBC News 24 just did their morning paper headline review. They did the Metro but not The Mail.
Well the BBC and the Metro do have a lot in common. They would be stuffed without Associated Press.
And the Press Association
Well we may force a vote in the HOC but they will just vote NO!!, We will never see hanging back nor will we ever get a referendum on Europe. Poloticians don’t believe in democracy if the did we would ban immigration, scrap the Human Rights Act , Birch Hooligans and remove all the comforts from prisons stop forign aid and spend the money saved on looking after the elderly and infirm. Lets stop kidding ourselves democracy in Britain is a joke
Remember the cast iron garentee and the simlar promise from labour, they just take the piss
Atrocious spelling, but i agree with your points.
+1
Generally agree, but leave out the reference to hanging.
There are many of us that would happily shoot the Bulger killers.
And reload several times before completing the task
If a murderer deserves death, what does a rapist deserve? And what’s the MO?
And those that hack phones should have their phone hacked?
castration obviously.
What about drunk drivers?
What about d.r.u.n.k d.r.i.v.e.r.s?
drinking hand removed…..
That would be the end to Guido’s blogging career
No more yanking his plank.
So now you have the support of the Daily Mail now…..
Having that woman’s gossip rag behind you certainly does add to the intellectual heft and credibility of your argument.
Btw have you considered a campaign to hang dru.nk driv.ers, would certainly help prevent a few innocents from being needlessly killed by irresponsible scumbags every year wouldn’t it?
We should certainly hang drunk drivers, especially the foreign ones.
What we really need is for an e-petition with a million signatures to trigger a referendum on the subject.
A Clamour MPs Can No Longer Ignore:
“Yes we can”.
What predictable tosh. Silent majority don’t want death penalty – however much the right convince themselves with this gung-ho trash above.
how do you know what this majority want if they are silent?
‘Cos he’s psychic, just like Paul Daniels.
The put it to a referendum.
What have you or the government got to fear from the will of the people?
‘Then’
I don’t think we can rely on referendums – essentially you end up rules by Sun readers. A selective referendum might be an idea where everyone was entitled to apply for any future referendums vote but had to apply to do do – the application process would include
1) A fairly comprehensive exam to ensure that the person was well informed and capable of considering complex issue
2) A financial means test to ensure that only those who contribute to society get to chose these big decisions – (that test might only apply for economic type referenda)
Same old , same old !
they vote on it ever couple of years , it just draws attention to them and gives them a free headline
then they vote NO !
as they do every time this happens
you all know they will never give the little people a vote on it
1 because they would vote for it !
2 because they think they know what is good for us and we don’t really understand anything about politics
Dear Santa
Can I please have a Spicy Girls concert ticket for Christmas?
Hopefully
Gordon Brown
I would like the death penalty for anybody caught watching reallity TV shows !
they are really sad fuckers and don’t deserve to breath our air !
Imposed twice for Jeremy Kyle viewers.
Especially if it could be televised
…on the Jeremy Kyle show, thus imposing a pleasing circularity to the proceedings.
Does that include The Apprentice?
If so, guilty as charged. String me up and be done with it.
Death penalty should be reserved for politicians only.
I bags Gordon Brown goes first…
There are hundreds of people that have been murdered by murderers that have been let out of prison. All those people would have been alive today if the perpetrators had been executed. On another tack, I think that execution should be available for any burgler that is found guilty of three burglaries. If he did the third one, in my opinion he would just be commiting suicide.
Can Guido assure us that our legal system no longer makes mistakes? How many innocent people is he prepared to kill for the sake of primitive revenge?
I assume he’d be OK with it if Fawkes Jnr was sentenced to death for a crime she didn’t commit because, hey, shit happens.
In the Brave New World the Glorious State will make no mistakes. Anyone who disagrees will be hanged.
i’m personally more in favour of using these murderers as human guinea pigs for testing drugs etc. for example you give them aids and then test out new drugs on them. if they die then they would have died anyway by hanging etc and if they live then at least they have returned something to society that they damaged in the first place.
To paraphrase Guido’s current favourite quote
Why are those so keen to protect life from it’s earliest stages so keen to take it when they’ve decided the living don’t deserve it? What is it about playing God that appeals so much?
Because it’s fun
- and with the greatest respect, You’ve got some explaining to do.
Guido seems so excited about the possibility of the death penalty – do we reckon he’s a necrophiliac?
Mr Fawkes is simply looking for a bit of cheap popularity.
I think it is down to a desperate need to be loved. They tend to be very insecure, fat people.
Well he is certainly dead boring…
7 Seconds on the scaffold or a life deprived of liberty
Although I do not believe in the restoration of the death penalty because I do not have confidence in our judicial system to judge on such matters, I do feel those in favour should get their debate in the House of Commons.
In any event I feel a life time deprived of liberty is a far better than the freedom offered to murders after seven seconds on the scaffold.
it would be more effective if they made prison even more unpleasant, basic bare cells, physical labour etc but it seems that although you lose your liberty you still get a tv, gym. lots of food etc.
people have to really really not want to spend time in prison. i was watching escape from alcatraz the other night and those cells with no mod cons or privacy are what is needed…..
It has been suggested that it would be fairer to put prisioners into care homes, and the pensioners into prisons.
Put the prisoners into Stafford morgue oops hospital.
A joke to share: just heard the rather too pleased with himself Mr. James Naughtie refer to Sally Bercow as ‘a freelance writer’ !! Steady on Jim, next you’ll be calling her, because of the sexual escapades of her youth, the ‘former high class courtesan’….
That is libel isnt it?
Theres a big difference legally between saying a woman did a lot of shagging, or suggesting she got paid for it.
Maybe she was a courtesan with a poor sense of credit control. Hence fitting in so well in the Labour Party.
Oh no, Full taliban treatment today.
I hold nothing against women who ignore the moral codes from the elders of the abrahamic religions. I wish they’d let me.
This is the point where the media
– talks emotively and exclusively about hanging
– trots out the solitary do-gooder that wants to forgive the murderer of their entire family
Good ole bbc
I wonder how many people will change their minds now the debate has started
None.
“What says the law? You will not kill. How does it say it? By killing!”
Guido ” YES WE CAN!” hasn’t quite turned out that way.
Would executions be televised if there was popular demand? What about the method of death? What if people preferred decapitation, or firing squad, or strangulation, or the Chinese slow slicing death of Ling Chi for the worst offenders? Why not Trial by “Execution Factor” or “Britain’s Got Guilty Bastards”? At some point, a line has to be drawn.
I’m starting to think this is a cynical measure with no chance of success, because of the legal and ethical barriers, rather than a serious political issue for an e-petition. Any credible analysis of confidence in the criminal justice system would start from first principles with a number of options. Ask the question “life means life” versus “capital punishment” versus “status quo” and the debate changes significantly.
Break on the wheel. You know it makes sense.
I am not in favour of the restoration of the death penalty, but if that’s what the majority of the UK population want, then so be it. I just hope that MPs vote with the majority of their consituent’s wishes in mind.
The majority of the UK population are pig-ignorant, semi-literate, XFactor watching cretins. I wouldn’t want anybody’s life or death decided by them. Besides, most of them would be too busy texting or twittering during the trial to pay any attention to the proceedings.
http://www.thedailymash.co.uk/news/society/survey-reveals-most-british-people-should-be-executed-201108044155/
Somewhere near the mark. Gweeds must be happy that his name has already been linked with being a reactionary twat.
How did my comment get up there?
Must have been web developers from the Egham Hythe college of further sittingaboutonyourarse.
Doesn’t seem to have bothered him the last few years…..
Damn – you got there first.
Sums up the situation nicely.
Let’s move on, nothing to see here.
Snigger… is that Guido getting his ass handed to him on Radio 5 live….
Just wait for a few more years and the politicians will gladly make Sharia law legal over English law and you will get your wish, but remember don’t miss prayers or the religious plod will be after you with a cane.
Any chance of changing that tired cliche”in the line of duty” to “on duty”? Too much CSI/24/The Wire etc etc
i am very concerned that there will be a rash of murders as people try and get in before the new laws get brought in.
for example anyone planning to kill their annoying hoody teenage neighbour should do it now and get the trial out of the way fast…… i imagine this might also be why they closed down the Libyan embassy recently as they were concerned that Libyan embassy staff would embark on a frenzy of shooting coppers before “Guido’s Law” is passed.
Before we hang them, does anyone know what these Cleveland Coppers have been up to?
What’s it worth if I tell you?
I’m sure their integrity remains intact.
I second that.
A cynical ploy to take our minds off the dire state of our economy.
The cuts are far too fast and go far too deep.
We have to prevent Irish bloggers having companies registered in Nevis,and owning more than one property.
“Thou Shalt Not Kill”
John Prescott should be well hung, but I know otherwise.
I will give you a hat tip Guido for getting this debate into Parliament in this fashion so quickly. However I can’t sign up for this as I myself do not believe in Capital Punishment.
Not that I want to offer forgiveness or a chance of rehabilitation. Its not because I support human rights to prisoners because I am of the belief that they should automatically have them null and void for committing a serious crime in the first place.
It is the fact that death is an easy way out for a prisoner. There is no suffering, no feeling of regret, they are just dead and the dead don’t tend to winge and feel guilty about there suffering.
If death is such an easy way out then why do so many on death row, in the USA, try to avoid their death with app eal after app eal?
They might be innocent?
It’s possible?
Is that not just lawyers just going through the motions in order to keep their salaries going?
Sure, given the setup of Death Row in the US there are a few that after the experience of being there beg for their lives to be spared because they are at their wits end of guilt and hope that they can see the light of day again with forgiveness (Which is never really going to happen even in the small chances of some being let go)
And that kind of helps make the point I was trying to make. What is a better form of punishment?
Have the state relieve a prisoner the misery of the harsh incarceration they are in by putting them to death, or have them in a harsh prison so that they beg for death and they are never granted it until they die of old age?
I heard someone (Can’t say who!) Saying “how many lives would be saved with the detterent of the death penalty”.
Well perhaps for someone killing their first police man. (not their second).
I can’t see a deterent working for child killers. How many of them think “yeah, 30 years in solitary, constantly in danger from other prisoners would be fine, yeah”.
What if there is a miscarriage of justice? Is that murder? Should the judge, jury and prosecutors be executed?
Six million dying of hunger in North Africa. What of justice?
Today I will be going to Obama’s birthday party ! I am very excited but Nursie says I must stay off the jelly.
Looking forward to chasing him around the kitchen for my birthday kissy kissy.
Mah fellow Amurrikins. Let me say this. Mah admiration for former Britsh Prem-eer Graham Brown needs no repetition. Like me, he came that his People might have Debt, and have it more abundantly. But ah say this. Ah have never been chased round any kitchen, canteen, scullery or utility room bah that strange, angry man. Ah say more. No President of the U-nited States will ever be so chased, so help me Gawd. And now we sing Hymn Number 777, “Mine Eyes Have Seen The Glory Of The Coming Of The IMF”.
Why can’t the press agitate for something that I, for one, consider more necessary for social well being in this country, namely an end to mass immigration . With most of the private sector jobs created in Cameron’s first year going, predictably enough, to foreign workers, one would have thought that helping indigenous people get into work ought to be the priority. Also just how many Indian sub continent arrivals will it take to persuade even our ostrich like politicians that chaos may loom.
Why is someone living in Ireland and France, assisting the agitation for murder to be legalised for people we don’t like, and can squeeze through a ‘legal process’ so we can call it ‘justice’?
Smelly.
Because he doesnt really live in Ireland and France.
Just ignore it and it will go away!
This is not an ad-homeium attack. If it’s all so ‘international’ now why not just try and get it put into international treaties. Gaydo isn’t reaching for the stars and failing miserably anymore – just bawwing for a suck on the media milk sphincter.
Luls this is not.
But hey, If bombing kids is more important to this government than anything else a bit of rah rah kill the paedos won’t do your cause any harm.
Enjoy your share options.
Big waste of time, as we all know what the result will be. But it is silly season so it will give the papers something to talk about eh!
You really are an attention seeking nob,Guido.
It’s what he does best, muck stirring, look at the expenses scandle, the Son of Coul, trouble is when you stir the bottom up too much you cannot see where you are going.
Obviously Guido has a favour or two to return.
The amount of Green Arrows multiplied by the amount of Red Arrows give you your troll rating. This rule only holds for comments clever enough to garner ten other prats on the internet to click a button after reading your pearls. All other posts have failed.
Utterly contemptible. The last thing I want is a future Labour home secretary with the power to kill.
Capital punishment is also THE softest punishment for a killer. It’s quick and over in seconds. Locking them up till they die inside prison is a genuine punishment. That’s why so many killers commit suicide or attempt to. Hindley never stopped trying to be freed, Shipman and Fred West killed themselves, Brady’s appealed to the ECHR to be allowed to starve himself, and Huntley has attempted suicide and also been stabbed by inmates. THAT is punishment. The solution to disillusionment with the justice system is to reform sentencing so that first degree murderers and child killers are never released, not to restore a medieval and religiously motivated penalty which, paradoxically, lets killers off easy.
I was going to write the same but now have no need to. Eloquently put sir. I’m just trying to figure out why Guido is so pre-occupied in doing this, especially when he has a far more important egg to fry at the moment, namely the incarceration of Pisspoor Piers. That’s where we the people want 100% his energy spent. Chasing the death penalty is a lost cause, methinks you spend too much time reading the Daily Mail now.
If we were to have the death penalty it should be for all premeditated murder. But I worry about our judicial system when we can’t even get an inquest for David Kelly.
Now there’s an idea. Instead of hanging, give ‘em life with a bomb collar timed to go off on a random timing.
Wouldn’t bringing back the death penalty be at odds with the current “sentencing” regime? eg.
Drug dealer: 2 weeks in a holiday camp and get to keep the cash.
Mugger of grannie: no charges, but gets £30,000 compensation from grannie, whilst she gets 3 months for using handbag against mugger., etc. etc…..
I do love being on Radio 4! Sorry shopworkers but your days in the High Street are over. Give me on-line shopping and leave the High Street to nail parlours and cafes.
What the fck do you know about anything?
Your husband is a nob, and you’re ‘just’ the wife. So, please be quiet – you’re making a fool of yourself.
I have learned to use a computer. This is my favourite site. I think I will make it my home page.
Guido
“People power”
But leavinbg just 650 mps to decide is not people powder, it should be a public referendum!
If you are to “Restore Justice” then it must be done with the consent of the people via a ballot.
How many signatures v people in the country?
You mean Bill like Guido says trade union leaders should be elected by a majoity 51% plus of al voters
Forget this daft e-petition,it’s all about the economy stupid.
’Figures in today’s Independent suggest that Britain is bottom of the G7′s growth league table. Excluding Japan because of the “special factors” caused by the Tohoku earthquake, Britain is growing more slowly than every other major developed economy.’
Britain is bottom of the G7′s growth table | Left Foot Forward
http://www.leftfootforward.org
Britain is bottom of the G7′s growth league table. Excluding earthquake-hit Japan, Britain is growing more slowly than every other major developed economy.
All a total waste of effort…Parliament MAY debate it but there’s a World of difference in that and actually then introducing the legislation to restore the Death Penalty and getting it passed into law.The time could be better spent on trying to sort out the actual economy rather than this no-hope attempt…it’s not going to happen….it’s just a “wank-fest” for the Daily Mail readership…. still makes a change from the Mail’s last 4 days headlines, equally a waste of time,telling us we’re all doomed because of the number of plastic bags being issued by supermarkets…………..meanwhile the bloody economy goes down the pan.the recovery such as it is grinds to a halt and Cameron is cutting the army so that in 3 years we’ll be hard pressed to actually field a Scout Troop to defend the country….and all we can worry about is this nonsense aout bringing back the death penalty……
I can’t fill in an expense claim correctly, but I can decide whether people should live or die.
No contradiction there if the object of the form filling is the benefit yourself. You are just a bad person. Voting to avoid the detah penalty, especially for treason, is in your interests.
Hacking: Labour Puts Pressure On Piers Morgan
Former tabloid editor Piers Morgan has “questions to answer” over claims a Daily Mirror journalist hacked the mobile phone of Sir Paul McCartney’s ex-wife Heather, Harriet Harman has told Sky News.
http://news.sky.com/home/politics/article/16043544
Instead of (or maybe as well as) pursuing the death penalty for premeditated murder, wouldn’t be better to go for mandatory minimum sentences for child molesters and rapists?
Why do child molesters get “life”, and then a minimum term of 6 years? OK we know, Labour’s stupid “get a third off if you plead guilty and then another half off automatically”.
Child rape or molestation should be 25 to life minimum. Period.
Just force them to listen to this on a loop 24hrs a day. That’s the cruellest punishment imaginable.
I would not bring back capital punishment until and unless our legal system is entirely and completely separate from Europe.
The Human Rights legislation does NOT specify for what offences capital punishment is appropriate.
We run the risk of Europe imposing the death penalty for whatever offences it chooses, (not flying the European flag when ordered to do so, or saying Rompuy is a cretin), and then imposing it on our citizens, extraditing them if necessary.
I’m innocent.
yours has to be the best moniker ever!
No Gordon, you did not do anything, that was the trouble, you did as the*ankers told to do, just like a lot of kiddies say they want this, that and the other, you give it to them then wonder why you have unbridled chaos.
Fans of death may be assured that the last day of the liblabcon regime will see the death penalty restored for liblabcons. Ideally the standard method will be hanging, drawing, and quartering.
Sick humour or what?
Parliament through unlimited immigration and a few other really neat commie ploys has set the country up for a civil war at the very least; and every silly sod’s woffling on about capital punishment.
To restore or not to restore? Either way, it makes bugger all difference to the Lib/Lab/Con end game.
People power. Yeah, right.
It appears folks are going over the top again…petitions, they say, will be CONSIDERED for a debate/discussion.
While epetitions are a laudable measure, there is no compunction to even discuss the issues raised, let alone vote on them.
And before anyone moots ‘people power’, when has that bothered the incumbents of the House of Commons?
We’re seeing corruption left and right in the police:
http://eureferendum.blogspot.com/2011/08/massive-shock.html
And yet some of you are supporting the campaign to reinstate the death penalty.
What the hell is wrong with you?
“People Power: Yes We Can” Do get a grip your drunken lunatic, ‘No we can’t’ is a far more appropriate and realistic headline. This just aint gonna happen, so I must ask why do this… publicity, perhaps? But bagging Piers will get plenty of that so keeping the powder dry for that one would make more sense.
bringing back the death penalty for child murder is acceptable. however, guido youre creating a major confusion by including police killers. police actually have quite a cushy existence — ask any copper. its the vulnerable that need protection, which is why its right that you are seeking both retribution and also protection for the most vulnerable in our society – children. id support this petition if it was for child killers but the fact youve included cop killers in this means i cant.
Death Penalty – I do believe we should have a debate about the death penalty. I do not think that we should define at this point for what crimes.
Personally I feel it should be an option (not used in every case but available for discussion) for a variety of offenses, focusing upon premeditated acts of: terrorism resulting in multiple deaths, killing of police, fireman, and all emergency services workers (including prison guards), multiple murders (serial killers), and finally for crimes against humanity (use of weapons of mass destruction – Biological, Chemical, or Nuclear).
I do not believe that the life of a child is worth more than the life of any other citizen. Hot blooded actions resulting in death should not automatically draw the death penalty. Finally I believe a sentence panel should have to confirm the use of the death penalty in each case.
In the end the penalty must be appropriate for the crime.
About time we grew a pair and brought hanging back.
OK old lad, you then have to define MURDER, if that means the unlawful killing of any person constructively or deliberately you say they should hang, that is, I assume that anyone who is drunk and incapable, gets into a car and drives off, and while driving he is incapable he has an accident and kills one or more people or the person who helps a loved one who is great pain EG with cancer to die, the former is like some one carrying a loaded gun, “I did not mean to use it guv”, the later is through compassion (in my own opinion misplaced but I have never been in that position)
OK if you delete it but think about it, your kids, your loved ones. I did have once 3xtreble whiskies I did not not have an accident on the way home virtully no cars about but I did not not do that again.
“Yes we can” ? Just because you can doesn’t mean you should. You really are enjoying all the attention, aren’t you?
NO YOU CAN’T… Not in a million years will Capital Punishment ever be reinstated in this country. It does not detare people from committing serious crime. Serious crime rates have risen in American states which have the Death penalty.
How stupid can people be? A number of people where put to death by mistake in previous generations. With the corruption within police forces (yes there is plenty without adding politions as well), innocent people will be put to death.
Just one error is one too many and the risks of getting it wrong does not justify bringing this hideous law back from the dark ages. People should pressure the judicial service and correct the inappropriate sentences given to criminals.
I sincerly doubt that our MPs have the balls to restore capital punishment.
I have a post scheduled for Monday on this issue, but have already nailed my colours to the mast with a logo on the blog. Feel free to nick it :
You’ll find it at “http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-PpMlX63w-ko/TjrMiRaMR_I/AAAAAAAAA6M/-KONEakFekI/s1600/Bring+back+hanging.jpg”
How stupid can people be? A number of people were put to death by mistake in previous generations. With the corruption within police forces (yes there is plenty without adding politions as well), innocent people will be put to death.
Just one error is one too many and the risks of getting it wrong does not justify bringing this hideous law back from the dark ages. People should pressure the judicial service and correct the inappropriate sentences given to criminals.
Bring back torture chambers for child torturers and granny bashers
There’s too many criminals laughing all the way to prison knowing that when they spend their time it’ll be better quality of life than outside. Tv snooker food bed! Taxpayers money. Why should they benefit when there are kids all over the world with not even water to drink. Soon the uk will be overcrowded with criminals. I say an alternative would be to send them to a testing lab instead of allowing innocent animals to suffer needlessly!