July 25th, 2011

Growing Concern for David Rose’s Mental Health

Guido understands the Indy team used every card in the book to secure a delay in the announcement that Johann Hari has been stripped of the 2008 Orwell Prize. The words “delicate” and “state” keep coming up. Sources for the prosecution seem to be outraged at how the Indy are conducting themselves during this humiliating time. While many are concerned at what a fall from grace might do to someone who already claims to be unstable, using a threat of their suicide as emotional blackmail to avoid professional embarrassment has been seen as a step too far. Johann Hari’s accomplice and loyal defender, David Rose, is said to be on suicide watch…


262 Comments

  1. 1
    Blah says:

    You not worried he might just turn up at Guy News with a weapon?

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    • 3
      P. Doff says:

      If he had his dick in his hand he wouldn’t know what to do with it!

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      • 6

        I’m sure he would.

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        • 35
          Jimmy says:

          Could he really be so traumatised as to turn conservative?

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        • 57
          The Biggest Schmoozer says:

          Fat men are more likely to suffer erectile disfunction.

          Even ones that make a habit of looking up to the webcam to hide their chins.

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      • 10
        Blah says:

        Seriously though – if I could blame someone for 10 years of work down the drain and an end to my career, I’d be straight round there.

        I mean – they guy’s unhinged enough to randomly delete his blog and disappear off the face of the earth for 2 weeks.

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      • 58
        Snag says:

        Tie his brother up and get going?

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        • 192
          AC1 says:

          What’s all the g4y 1nc3st stuff revolving around him about?

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          • The Piss Soaked Tramp Formally Known As TAT! says:

            Hari/David Rose wrote a gay pedo incest story about being a black man called Leroy who pimps boys and shags his younger brother Nick. It’s hidden in the archives of the internet.

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      • 69
        Lord Lucan says:

        The word on the street from Indy sources is he’s on a 2 week Coke/V*agra/Amyl/Provigil bender in Manila pondering a new life running a Ladyboy club there…

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    • 87
      With friends like Gordon who needs enemies? says:

      When Dave said he would review security in light of Norway. I trust one Gordon Brown is being reviewed. That man has one severe grudge against most everyone who thought him a friend. There is no telling what he is capable of doing in taking his “revenge” .

      FFS he trashed a man (or tried to) whose Grand Children played with his own children, whose own daughter went on slumber parties with his wife in his grace and favour home.

      Gordon is Mad and he is BAD. Very Bad

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      • 136
        Mad, Bad & Dangerous Gordon McRuin ( member in absentia ) says:

        and dangerous.

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        • 152
          Bled White Taxpayer says:

          …lethal to economies.

          I do like your moniker though. It looks like it would be a good gravestone marker, hopefully on unhallowed ground, with a machine that plunged a stake 7 feet into the ground every other minute, just to make sure he never comes back.

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      • 175
        The voice on unreason says:

        So, why can’t the committee say that they’ll wait for the Indy to complete it’s own investigation and then strip him of the award?

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      • 227
        Gordon F Brown says:

        Don’t you get stroppy with me just because I stole a sizeable chunk of your pension pot. I did the right thing.

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    • 232
      Comic Opera says:

      honestly

      whio gives a fuck

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    • 247
      Sir William Waad says:

      Everybody, at some time in their life, experiences a serious failure where they can’t blame anybody else. Dealing with it is part of being an adult.

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  2. 2
    Jimmy says:

    What s screaming fit of histrionics.

    A certain speciality of the left, we do it all the time.

    Long live King Balls and his little pet Ed Milli-Dibley

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    • 134
      The voice of unreason says:

      Would we miss him if he topped himself? Would the world be a better place with one less bleeding heart Labour fuckwit? Answers please on the back of a £20 note – no 20 Eur notes please!

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      • 159
        Boudicca says:

        I’d top myself if I was responsible for a pile of sanctimonious shit like the Indy.

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  3. 4
    M * A * S * H says:

    Hari threatening suicide? Bring it on!

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  4. 5
    Rat's arse says:

    Now look what you’ve done Guido … hee hee :)

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  5. 7
    Anonymous says:

    Joking about someone possibly being on suicide watch. That’s nice.

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    • 15
      David Rose's Boyfriend says:

      David Rose isn’t a real person you stupid Huhne.

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      • 23
        Me,me,me,me,me well Ok, Johann, Johann, says:

        I am actually.

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      • 25
        David Rose says:

        Oh yes I am. You are not my boyfriend, and I am getting fed up with Johann Hari using my name as a sock puppet.

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      • 65
        I nose me sunnets says:

        A Rose by any other name would be Hari.

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      • 89
        Rosalyn Davids says:

        Not a real person? And I just wanted to send him a response on this dating site!

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      • 122
        Moley. says:

        Nor apparently is Hari; he’s cut and pasted himself a false identity.

        If something unpleasant has to be done; it is merciful to do it quickly, not drag it out as long as possible as the Independent seems to be doing.

        As for suicide, it is necessary to face the consequences of one’s own actions without resorting to emotional blackmail to try and mitigate the repercussions.

        In effect, Hari should remember; don’t do the crime if you can’t do the time.

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      • 249
        Gordon Brown says:

        David Rose is an anagram of of Johann Hari. It’s so simple.

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    • 33
      Ivor Biggun says:

      Fucking hilarious isn’t it!

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  6. 7
    Jess The Dog says:

    The longer it hangs over him, the worse it will surely be for Mr Hari.

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  7. 9
    Adam Richards says:

    Criticise his (no doubt shocking) journalistic behaviour all you want; find evidence of such foul play all you want.

    But what on earth possesses you to mock a man, whatever you think of his politics or journalistic standards, for possibly being at risk of self harm or suicide? Seriously, I want to know how you feel comfortable and can possibly justify doing that?

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    • 16
      It's all made up, like his interviews says:

      Because it’s all toffy.

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    • 34
      Ivor Biggun says:

      Because Hari is a twat.

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    • 50

      Because the only good dogmatist is a dead one.

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    • 53
      smoggie says:

      The target is the Independent, not the effete young plagiarist.

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    • 59
      G Wilson says:

      I believe the key phrase is “using a threat of their suicide as emotional blackmail”.

      Given the track record of this joker – especially the fiction supporting the invasion of Iraq – calling out each tantrum is very justified.

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    • 173
      Jimmy says:

      It’s why they’re called the nasty party.

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    • 255
      The Sheikh Of Arabeee says:

      Fucking lying fucking Lefty fucking turd who made a fucking small fucking fortune by pandering to fucking right-fucking-on Fabianist attitudes by making shit up as he went along.

      Now he’s been exposed as the fucking dishonest spunk bubble he has always been. I am fucking sick of fucking Left wing dick heads like this fucking c nut and that fucking Lauri Penny and fucking Toynbee and that fucking pile of rancid pig’s smegma “Toilets” and all the other moaning Lefty fucking dick wads and their fucking stupid fucking ideology that has sucked the fucking life out of this country and fucking murdered millions worldwide.

      I’m off to do a big fucking shit on a certain tomb in Highgate Cemetery.

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    • 260
      MacGuffin says:

      We’re all at risk of suicide, every day. It’s part of the human condition. A knife edge of elation and despair on which we precariously balance.

      Except, if you’re a lying, talentless, lazy tw*t, it’s a bit harder to keep your balance.

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  8. 11
    Ross says:

    LEAVE JOHANN ALONE!!!!

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  9. 12
    Henry Ford says:

    Hari was found in the Indy offices hanging by his ankles.When the editor asked him what he was doing Hari replied that he tried his neck but it was very painful.

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  10. 13
    Andie99 says:

    Have to say, the Indy have been awful over this. Strip him of the award, & if he is on the verge of topping himself, get him counselling or stick him in the Winehouse wing of the Priory for a few weeks. According to Catherine Zeta Jones, they cure Bi Polar in under 2 weeks…

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  11. 14
    My Lords Woss and Bwand, and fatgut Baroness Bwand says:

    Speaking as expurts on mwental hwelth we sway that you shwood bwack away from cwaorsing that poor gwuy to cwommit suicide ‘n that.

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  12. 17
    eeu to me says:

    Do know ,I’ve never heard of either of these two people or the Orwell Prize and I can honestly say I couldn’t really care fkin less, sorry.

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  13. 18
    Henry Ford says:

    Hari was found by the editor of the Indy hanging by his ankles.When asked what he was doing he said he had tried his neck but it ws painful.

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  14. 19
    The Shamen says:

    E’s are good, E’s are good, he’s Ebeneezer Goode

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  15. 22
    Dalai Llama Ding Dong says:

    Perhaps he’ll do a Hari-kiri?

    Heat/kitchen spring to mind – he has had doors opened for him all his life and blew it – 1000s of other writers out there who would never dream of doing what he did, and they are blanked…

    He should man up, dust himself down, and start all over again – this time with attributions, cut out all the fiction…

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  16. 24
    Saying says:

    Guido, come on now, you’ve achieved your end; time to back away.

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  17. 26
    Gobby says:

    “Growing Concern for David Cameron’s Mental Health”

    So glad you noticed,Guido.

    My view as well.

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  18. 30
    b34st says:

    Fat Scandanavian kweer looking at serious jail time

    Does Joanne Hari own guns?

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  19. 31
    Jimmy says:

    “While many are concerned at what a fall from grace might do to someone who already claims to be unstable,”

    Obviously not everyone.

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      Boudicca says:

      The writing has been on the wall for almost ten years, Hari just chose to ignore it.
      Private Eye exposed his plagiasm in around 2002, but because of his supreme arrogance, lack of journalistic skills or genuine talent,he carried on regardless.

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  20. 32
    All people are equal but some are more equal than others says:

    Hilarious to see all the wingnuts here recently pontificating about Lee Jasper’s and Laurie Penny’s comments. The majority of posts since the massacre have given a very grim glimpse into the psyche of the posters who’ve variously made jokes about the murder of “leftie teens” and excused the mass murder of 93 people with the killer’s own grievances about immigration. Only three weeks ago there was much ostentatious foaming at the mouth about the vile jokes by Kia Abdullah and how Guardianistas lack compassion. And hey presto, jokes aplenty here about the slaughter of 15 year olds because they were only a bunch of lefties and their killer is a fellow traveller. More importantly though, I think it’s only right that some of his ardent fans should start cleansing Britain of the same filth. Come on guys! Start gunning down lefty teenagers everywhere. After all, as a poster said earlier, it’ll mean less leftie mongs in the world. Fuck it, just kill pregnant leftie women too. I’m sure that’s the kind of abortion even the christians here would approve of.

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    • 38
      b34st says:

      Like all socialists you got the figures wrong

      Lots of dead lefties=good

      Extra funny as a load of fruitarians were killed by a fruit aryan

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    • 48
      Socialism is a mental illness says:

      These people were part of a jew hating, racist, palestinian loving, muslim hugging party that had allied itself, incredibly, with Hamas! Dumb or what? Killing them was wrong, but ,’if you sup with the devil ………….’ Yes?

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    • 55
      smoggie says:

      Where are these sanctimonious prats being bussed in from?

      Calm down dear, it’s just a blog.

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    • 56
      Socialism is a mental illness says:

      Come on guido, publish my response to no.31, what’s the problem? I stated FACTS, you will not get that on the BBC. One reason i subscribe to http://www.biasedbbc.com, so come on, get it up.

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      • 60
        Earth is 6000 years old says:

        If you don’t kill a gay, an atheist, a leftie, or preferably a gay atheist leftie, by midnight tonight, you won’t be allowed into heaven. Now go and shoot anyone who dares say earth is billions of year old. Jesus / allah hate godless fuckers and will reward those who murder in his name. Lord ‘a’ mercy/ allahu cackbar!

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        • 101
          Grumpy Old Man says:

          You are a wanker. Goodnight.

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          • Brevik says:

            Hello Grumpy Old Man. Please join me in my revolution to cleanse the world of liberals, socialists and atheists. Remember to wear a police uniform so those pathetic squealing lefties will think you’re there to help and then say “You must all die” before pumping them full of bullets. We will rebuild the world, brother.

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    • 62
      Socialism is a mental illness says:

      Labour party. Norway. Anti-semitic. Allied to Hamas. Pro muslim. If you sup with the Devil………Is that acceptable Guido, or are you a BBC type at heart?

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      • 63
        Brevik says:

        I like the way you think. Can I recruit you to my revolution? We need to cleanse the world, my brother.

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    • 75
      nell says:

      I think you watch too many horror movies.

      most people on here abhor what’s happened in nor way.

      in fact most of the people cracking sick jokes about it today seem to be well known lefties writing on twitter.

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    • 150
      Fucked Off says:

      Fuck off you arrogant tosser, – go and lecture your mates darn the pub, – or don’t you drink either?

      There again, might be Champagne, – eh mate? Paid for by your nice comfortable public sector salary?

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  21. 35
    Winni in a wheelchair says:

    He is a leftie prick, but what a shame.

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  22. 37
    Anonymous says:

    “Every card in the book”?

    Surely, “every card in the pack”, or “every page in the book”, or “every trick in the book”?

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  23. 39
    Leo Tolstoy says:

    Read my masterpiece “War and Beance”

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  24. 40
    Henry Ford says:

    H.e commit Hari Kari

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  25. 41
    Socialism is a mental illness says:

    Fragile little flowers these lefty tossers, are they not? Go on, top yourselves you useless bastards.

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    • 102
      Anonymous says:

      When the gap between what they think they are and what they actually are is shown to be as huge as the Grand Canyon, the little darlings can’t take it anymore.

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  26. 45

    Gun. Foot. Aim. Fire!

    How many bullets was that? I wasn’t counting…

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  27. 46
    The Cracked Mirror says:

    Apparently Piers Morgan is hitting the bottle. I found out via one of Morgan’s nasty tricks

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    • 153
      Chief Town Hall recycling technician cum officer jobsworth says:

      I found out by going through his bins.

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  28. 49
    The Cracked Mirror says:

    I hope Morgan throws himself under a bus. Perfect ending for the lying crook

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    • 54
      I'll get my coat and my p45 says:

      I have photographic evidence of Morgan pissing on the truth.

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    • 79
      nell says:

      What we really need to see is morgan discredited , giving evidence , before the Inquiry. The yanks will never forgive him and his career in the US of A will be over.

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    • 105
      Grumpy Old Man says:

      Why should the bus driver and passengers suffer inconvenience due to the finalemotings of a Lefty Tosser? Much better for him to do an overdose of his favourite recreational substance washed down with a bottle of vodka. Tidier all round and the scumbag pays for his own immolation.

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  29. 51
    The Beast says:

    Come hither my little demons.

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  30. 61
    Johan says:

    Has somebody already noted how little many commentators (perhaps even some of those who care a great deal about Hari’s mental health) care for the mental health of Murdoch Jr or Cameron, or the physical health of the aged Murdoch Sr?

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  31. 64
    Anonymous says:

    Let the shit top himself. No great loss. Fuck him

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    • 70
      nell says:

      No! It’s never good to wish anyone physical harm.

      Democratic, professional justice yes. Harm No!

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      • 99
        the butcher of hayling island says:

        What about give him a good beating so the bruises don’t show nell? Surely that’s kosher.

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        • 124
          Engineer says:

          If you went round beating people, you’d be a cosher, not kosher.

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        • 146
          nell says:

          Sorry No!

          the harikari story is all about how the left dishonestly use words to further their own ends.( and feather their own nests!!)

          bliar, alicampbell and the dodgy dossier and browns tractor stats are all part of the same picture.

          These things have to be exposed, ridculed and dismantled the same way.

          pen more powerful than the sword and all that.

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          • Anonymous says:

            If he were to ritually disembowel himself then I may muster a scintilla of respect for the turd.However as things stand it couldn’t happen to a nicer guy.

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  32. 68
    Lady Virginia Droit de Seigneur says:

    This is a bit like the people who used their family feelings as justification for a super-injunction to conceal their infidelity from the public eye.

    If having your bad behaviour exposed to public scrutiny is going to cause problems for you or others then you shouldn’t fucking do it in the first place.

    Whilst I wouldn’t wish Hari any personal harm using his mental state to try and prevent the justifiable removal of a dishonestly obtained award is just risible. I would have thought the Indy had suffered enough bad publicity over this without compounding their problems.

    Looks like the new editor is going to be as craven and useless as Kellner

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    • 76
      Sir Reginald Titbrain [Decd.] says:

      Spot on. This is how it works, isn’t it. One behaves badly, and we normally adjusted contributors uphold the traditions of justice, fair play and decency by a series of measured and appropriate comments,containing words like Hunt, wanker and arsehole.

      The insultee should assume the traditional stiff upper lip and take it like a man.

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      • 107
        Grumpy Old Man says:

        ….and all those huhnes, wankers and arseholes in support should realise that silence is golden.

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    • 242
      bergen says:

      I agree and the new editor of the Indy is making the worst of all possible starts by not publicly dissociating himself and the paper from Hari’s deceit.His precious ex-columnist is simply engaging in childish emotional blackmail.It’s strange how those most keen to dish it out are always the loudest to complain when the spleen is returned.

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  33. 71
    Postal Vote says:

    A limousine liberal run over by his own car!

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  34. 72
    Anonymous says:

    Hari wrote an article a few years back to say he is permanently on Seroxat that antidepressant that makes lots of people even more bonkers. just saying.

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    • 128
      Moley. says:

      All the antidepressants can have a serious effect on judgement.

      They sometimes remove the inhibitions which stop people doing things that they shouldn’t do.

      The medical profession is very lax in warning people of this possibility.

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      • 156
        Cynfeeaarr says:

        You don’t say.

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      • 157
        The Medical Profession says:

        We may be lax in that regard, but we’re very good at taking lots of money in “research grants” and “participation fees” for new drugs. Ker-ching!

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      • 246
        Gordon Brown (Mentally Problemised)) says:

        Anti-Ds removed my inhibition on wasting money.

        And nothing’s my fault.

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    • 237
      Lady Virginia Droit de Seigneur says:

      He also wrote an article saying he took lots of ecstasy at university which proved to be a fabrication so who knows.

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  35. 73
    nell says:

    What is his problem anyway?

    He’s a talented writer of fiction.

    I feel sure he can change direction and write thrillers or romances or something.

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  36. 74
    just a Thought says:

    So what have we learned from the past few weeks?

    Basically that the left-wing press make things up when producing copy while the right-wing press won’t think twice about invading your privacy to get the scoop…

    There’s a sort of symmetry there if nothing else!

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  37. 78
    Anonymous says:

    Sorry to get ad hom Guido, but sometimes you can be an odious sack of shit. The guy’s done wrong, and is in the process of having his career destroyed for it. There is now no need for the ugly gloating, and much less the disturbing baying for blood.

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    • 82
      nell says:

      hmmm.

      ‘an odious sack of shit – The guy’s done wrong – ugly gloating – disturbing baying for blood’

      are you twatson or militwit screeching on about murdo ch?!

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    • 83
      Sir Reginald Titbrain [Decd.] says:

      If God didn’t want baying he wouldn’t have invented blood.

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    • 94
      Ah, Diddums says:

      He’s not “having his career destroyed” for doing wrong – he destroyed it himself by being a fraud & a lying liar while promoting himself in the public eye.

      So, the horror of what he’s done is causing him some anguish, is it? Does nobody take any responsibility for their actions anymore?

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    • 95

      Hitler could have done with you as a spokesperson.

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      • 110
        Grumpy Old Man says:

        Stalin would have Gulaged him in 5 minutes.

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        • 230

          Undoubtedly.

          But the only problem with Hitler, it seems, is that he did not use the services of Bell Pottinger. Put the right story out with your hands in an appropriate place and you can get away with anything. This is because people would rather make judgements based upon appеarances, rather than reality.

          It’s called the modern way and could just be why the world is in a mess…

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    • 115
      Annon says:

      Yes some say Harrold Shipman was a good doctor

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  38. 80
    Dick Turpin says:

    Makes one wonder whether, aside from having his Orwell taken off him, Hari should repay the salary he’s earned on the back of his dodgy journalistic practice.

    After all, he’s been at the forefront of the banker-bashing/bonus bashing/anti-cuts movement. Only fair that he should be judged by the same standards he applied to others.

    As for all this “suicide watch” stuff, if the Independent employed someone so unstable as to be on the edge of topping himself, while publishing the material that set up this fall from grace, then it’s the Indy, as an employer, that should be facing serious criticism and possible sanction for failing in its duty of care. Doubly so given that questions about Hari’s “technique” have been circulating for years.

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    • 97
      Infuriated of West Mids says:

      Surely he can’t be that fragile and unstable – he’s been to war zones; seen people shot with his own eyes; and heard first-hand, weeping testimonies from people about the most appalling acts imaginable for his wonderful articles ……… hasn’t he?

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  39. 84
    Polldaddy says:

    Wait until the BBC get their teeth into this scandal.

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  40. 90
    Anonymous says:

    What a pile of twisted shite on channel 4 now…………how M ran Britain.

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  41. 92
    Engineer says:

    One wonders how much of this ‘suicide watch’ stuff is a smokescreen.

    Hari clearly played fast and loose with journalistic standards, and has gone into hiding when he’s been called out for it. He should reflect on the veracity of his writing, and on what he might do to repair his reputation.

    I suppose the Indy do have a duty of care to an employee, but whether that extends to issuing public statements about his possible mental state is a bit doubtful; it makes them look a tad evasive and shifty at the very least. To protect their reputation, they should consider parting company with discredited journalists, not cover up for them.

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    • 211
      Spartacus says:

      I seem to remember this being used as an excusse before.
      Several MPs on suicide watch during the expenses embezzlement exposee
      Dont remember any topping themselves . . . more’s the pity.

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  42. 93
    Alastair Campbell says:

    Piss off Guido you can’t touch us. And you know it.

    When the going gets too tough we just shout Mental Illness and we are untouchable. And even more we can call in the lefty sympathy vote, by claiming you are bullying sick people. Then if that does not work we can accuse you of driving us to suicide.

    The BBC falls for it everytime, they want to anyway.

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  43. 96
    Making up quotes might have something to do with it says:

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    • 111
      hive cell no.2947264 says:

      The kid don’t know any better FFS. Probably been to too many young socialist camps, bless him.

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      • 117
        Brevik says:

        I agree. Please join me in killing all children like her. They must be excised from existence, my brother.

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        • 132
          your thought processes are not socialist enough, please go for reprogramming says:

          Lets see, socialism has killed at least 150 million people, probably treble that, so there’s a lot of catching up to do.

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      • 125
        your thought processes are not socialist enough, please go for reprogramming says:

        Just WTF do they teach in these camps FFS? It’s certainly not dodging bullets thats for fucking sure.

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        • 154
          Brevik says:

          I hope you will continue my work, brother. Please go forth and kill as many as you can.

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        • 166
          WVM says:

          It’s already been said, but these weren’t random little White children playing in sandboxes as the BBC would have you believe. They were young adults and activists targeted by him for political reasons at a Euro-socialist brain-washing camp!

          The implication is that in his mind, they were legitimate targets, rather than innocents. Some people here won’t grasp the concept, and will claim that someone who wanted to protect white children has killed them. But if you want to understand his motives you have to understand that his actions were strictly political in nature.

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    • 123
      nell says:

      She’s an nus person.

      She doesn’t understand the meaning of the word plagiarism!

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    • 209
      Sir Reginald Titbrain [Decd.] says:

      Facts are facts, dear boy, or girl, just to cover the common eventualities. There is no smear.

      Young master Hari has been found out; he’s a fibber. Naughty chair for him.

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    • 256
      Jane Pilgrim's Strapon says:

      Who is this stupid Hunt. It is hardly a smear when Hari has admitted doing it. Perhaps Hari should not be stripped of the award just share it with everyone else whose work he has used.

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  44. 103
    Sir puzzled says:

    Is this actually very important outside of the in crowd?

    I speak as someone who had never read or heard of Johann Hari before or the Orwell writing prize.

    I know of the Guardian newspaper but only read it when it is free in reading rooms and I have read all of George Orwell’s novels.

    That is as far as it goes. What is all the fuss about and will the outcome make my experience of democracy a better one?

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  45. 113
    non believer says:

    I’m sure Mr Hari must be suicidal in the knowledge that he will never attain the mastery of the English language as displayed by one Guido Fawkes.

    “Guido understands the Indy team used every card in the book to secure a delay in the announcement that Johann Hari has been stripped of the 2008 Orwell Prize.”

    “Every card in the book”, what an elegant turn of phrase; not poorly phrased drunken gibberish typed up by a bitter old gin blossom nosed wannabe hack.

    Not at all.

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    • 119
      Engineer says:

      Which could perhaps be summarised as, “When you don’t like the message, shoot the messenger.”

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      • 127
        non believer says:

        not at all, I’m happy the revelations about Mr Hari have come to light

        always found him obnoxious and strident

        that said Guido’s ability to take the high ground on journalistic standards is more than questionable imo

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          mr sausage says:

          fuck off wanker, you’re boring me.

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        • 145
          RED ED - SON OF BROWN says:

          The Moral High Ground is becoming uncomfortably crowded. It belongs to us in the Liebore party.

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          • nell says:

            labour party and the moral high ground = an oxymoron!!

            let’s not forget bliar took us into iraq on a lie and brown thieved £5billion from our pensions.

            the labour party is not someone you would trust with your kids pocket money let alone the moral high ground!!!!

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          • Anonymous says:

            nell, the pension figure is now 100 billion, and not reversed by the Tories BTW. Fucking thieving gets the lot of ‘em.

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      non believer says:

      mummy i made pictures with my poo poo….

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  46. 126
    Mwwahahahahahahaha! says:

    Mirror Group shares down 9.8%.

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  47. 129
    I don't need no doctor says:

    The BBC should resign immediately.

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  48. 130
    Ichabod says:

    This Orwell prize–who are the previous winners ? Would they be, by any chance, of a left wing or leftish liberal inclination ? Just asking. And would any of them be really entertaining and readable; two essentials for scribblers I would have thought. Would, say, G K Chesterton have won it . Or Malcolm Muggeridge. Did Auberon Waugh. Or even the hugely influential, and very funny, and informative, Frank Johnson ? I wonder. Would Orwell have approved of an award in his name; I somehow doubt it. And should decent journalists, independent journalists accept what are, essentially, vanity awards decided, it seems, on a mutual back scratching , dick stroking basis. I recall that the great American composer Charles Ives once turned down a Pulitzer with the words: ” Prizes are for children. I’m all grown up”. But the Orwell prize seems especially risible; and really rather an insult to the great man (Orwell, not Hari).

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      Lady Virginia Droit de Seigneur says:

      Well in the journalism awards I award say they are mostly outright lefties (Polly Toynbee, Yasmin Alibhai Brown, Robert Fisk, Paul Foot, David Aaronovitch, Johann Hari) or worked for left of centre publications at the time particularly the Independent, Observer or the Guardian (Jenni Russell, Timothy Garton Ash, Neil Ascherson, Peter Beaumont, David McKittrick,)

      The above two categories constitute 12 of the 18 winners. There are two on the soft right – Matthew Parris and Vanora Bennett, Brian Sewell the art critic and Ian Bell from the Scotsman.

      There are two outright right wing winners – Christopher Hitchens and Melanie Phillips.

      On Wiki the only journalistic shortlist they have is 2008 when the 6 candidates were two from the Observer, 2 from the Independent, one from the BBC and one from the Economist.

      It looks like it is a prize largely slanted to the left but not exclusively so.

      I would also draw a very keen distinction between the foreign correspondents ( Fisk, Bennett) and investigative jounalists (Bell, Foot) with the armchair bound windbags like Toynbee, Phillips and Aaronovitch. Why any of the latter got the award is beyond me.

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  49. 138
    nell says:

    Just a thought.

    Who lost out to harikariwhatsisname when he was awarded the orwell prize in 2008 was it?

    Who came 2nd? Was it some really genuine person who was a really good writer? Hmmm?

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  50. 141
    Anonymous says:

    “using a threat of their suicide as emotional blackmail to avoid professional embarrassment has been seen as a step too far” Of course the problem with that ploy is that the other person may not consider it much of a threat …

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  51. 144
    A.Blagger says:

    Guido Fawkes today condemned the Conservative Party’s decision to invite two leading hard right Euro MPs to their Manchester national conference.

    Guido said: “I am amazed that they have chosen to invite the leader of their new Euro-group Michal Kaminski, from the Polish Law and Justice Party, and Latvian right winger Roberts Ziler, of the Fatherland and Freedom Party, to Manchester.

    “They may be Cameron’s new best friends but their parties are associated with homophobes, anti-Semites and Islamophobes. We are a diverse and multi-cultural region. Promoting tolerance, respect for others and diversity is vital to the economic future of Greater Manchester.

    “The Tory Party has again shown that it is out of touch with the communities they seek to represent and their friends in Europe show they are the same old Tories.”

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  52. 149
    Rupert Murdoch says:

    G’day mate! I just wanted to say thank you to all you thick poms for sticking up for me. Even though I supported Labour for 13 years and kept the Tories out of power, I can still rely on you dumb bludgers to defend me and my company’s crimes. I know you all privately think Millie Dowler was just a northern working class chav and couldn’t give a fuck about her death. G’day!

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    • 155
      nell says:

      ++++Laugh+++++

      How very like labour to try and post as someone that they aren’t.

      Neither murdoch nor his son sounded like an aussie at the HoC committee the other day.

      liebourites trying to smear people aren’t very bright are they?

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        Jesus says sex is evil says:

        nell, when was the last time you got laid? Or are you one of those christians who thinks that sex should only be for procreation and that sex for pleasure is a sin? I’m guessing the last time you did was circa 1954.

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          attack of the killer kiwi fruits says:

          bumming is evil, sex isn’t.

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          • Joe Ratzinger says:

            Consensual bumming between adults is evil. Forced bumming of children by holy priests is praiseworthy.

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        • 188
          nell says:

          Well you’re an extremist of the left or the right. But it’s impossible to tell which; you’re all too much alike,.

          The rest of us live much more comfortable,fulfilled, happy lives than the extremists on the outside looking in.

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  53. 158
    God, Guns and Government says:

    It’s rather ironic that the far right and christian fundamentalists have a lot in common with muslims. Are they aware there’s a place in the world where gays are routinely executed, atheism is illegal and punishable by execution, women have no rights, abortion is illegal, socialism is illegal, gun ownership is legal and widespread, the free market operates without any regulation, there’s no welfare system, and the military is well funded. Sound like heaven? Then book a flight to Iran! All your dreams will come true!

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    • 165
      I.Ronic says:

      I will just as soon as you’ve landed in the socialist paradise called North Korea.

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    • 172
      Anonymous says:

      Except that a Christian turns the other cheek and the love of his neighbour is his weapon.

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      • 197
        God is love, except for those who deserve to die says:

        Unless his neighbour happens to be a single parent, gay, black or atheist.

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        • 219
          The Piss Soaked Tramp Formally Known As TAT! says:

          The majorty of todays Christians are Black you noob

          Epic Fail from the spaz.

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  54. 161
    Clarence says:

    Hari should do the sensible thing and return his prize, lay low for a while and then start rebuilding his reputation. Everyone deserves a second chance and he – at least I think – can write well.

    If he is so thin-skinned that he cannot tolerate the mockery – especially as he has opened himself wide open to it – he should simply get out of journalism and become a charity worker or accountant, or something.

    I see some twat has Tweeted that Hari is the victim of an “awful smear campaign”; moreover, we are told his heart is in the right place and he means well, etc. Well, arse to that.

    No, his woes are entirely self-inflicted and for him and his supporters to claim that he is a victim is laughable.

    The ‘victims’ here are his employers and his readers but most of all those whose work he stole.

    So, Johann, take a holiday, write a book or two and return to journalism when you have grown (a) up and (b) a thicker skin.

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  55. 176
    Bereft Thrill-seeker says:

    Will it be a private suicide or can anyone watch?

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    b34st a fat north london cross dresser says:

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    • 182
      Anonymous says:

      Have heard that you’ve now found god. How far we’ve come from The Hitch. I do miss him though.

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    christ in tights says:

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  58. 185
    E.ON is too pricey. Switching to EDL. says:

    That “Tommy Robinson” is giving Paxo a run for his money.

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  59. 187
    Newsnight says:

    The president of the EDL just ran rings round Paxman. Paxman was frequently left lost for words.

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    • 194
      E.ON is too pricey. Switching to EDL. says:

      I’m awaiting moderation at 10.55pm. This site has become a rather unfunny joke.

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      • 200
        My Other Van's A Comma says:

        The joke, “E.ON is too pricey. Switching to EDL. says:
        Your comment is awaiting moderation.
        July 25, 2011 at 11:08 pm I’m awaiting moderation at 10.55pm. This site has become a rather unfunny joke.”, is on the idiots that advertise here, surely?
        112,036 visitors? I’ll believe that when they provide proof. The advertisers seem less bothered about the tractor stats.

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    • 212
      Spartacus says:

      English Defence League (EDL)??
      Paxman??

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  60. 190
    Johan Hari says:

    I’ll scweam and scweam until I make myself sick! (so there!)

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  61. 195
    Kill for Jesus (and nonce boys in the process) says:

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  62. 199
    You have been warned says:

    In Brussels plans were stepped up for a European wide “anti-radicalisation” programme as leaders were blasted for remaining silent on the xenophobia sweeping the continent with the EU Security chief declaring “too few were prepared to stand up for diversity”.

    “Sadly there are too few leaders today who stand up for diversity and for the importance of having open, democratic and tolerant societies where everybody is welcome,” wrote Cecilia Malmstroem, the European Commissioner for Home Affairs, in a blog published Monday. (Teleg)

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  63. 201
    Huh? says:

    Orwell Prize = Media Standards Trust = Common Purpose

    Two questions:

    1) Who would want a prize given out by shadowy, EU-supporting, Data Protection Act-breaking, sinister, antidemocratic, masonic tutors of quangocrats?

    2) How the hell did Peter Hitchens win it?

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  64. 202
    My Other Van's A Comma says:

    You wish to moderate me for no reason? I’ll just tell a much larger audience, including the people the fund this sordid little blog, what actually goes on here. Tractor stats indeed.

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  65. 204
    That's News says:

    Somebody at the Independent must have known what he was up to. Why didn’t they stop him? Or was the loss of the Orwell Prize a stumbling block to their honesty?

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  66. 205
    Fabians are Evil says:

    Nazis were Socialists and the socialists were Nazis

    This is a historic FACT!

    http://mises.org/daily/1937

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    Dalai LLama Ding Dong says:

    To misquote the former British Prime Harold Macmillan, it is ‘ratings dear boy, ratings, ‘ that will decide Morgan’s fate.
    snip

    A CNN spokeswoman told the New York Times that Mr. Morgan had been asked about the accusations and “denied involvement in phone hacking both publicly and privately.”

    Piers has also blocked Mensch on Twitter. Which is the equivalent of sticking his fingers in his ears and screaming ‘La, la, la, I can’t hear you!’. He won’t be able to do that if he is called in front of the committee…

    LMAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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  69. 221
    Dalai LLama Ding DongP says:

    To misquote the former British Prime Harold Macmillan, it is ‘ratings dear boy, ratings, ‘ that will decide Morgan’s fate.

    snip

    A CNN spokeswoman told the New York Times that Mr. Morgan had been asked about the accusations and “denied involvement in phone hacking both publicly and privately.”

    Piers has also blocked Mensch on Twitter. Which is the equivalent of sticking his fingers in his ears and screaming ‘La, la, la, I can’t hear you!’. He won’t be able to do that if he is called in front of the committee…

    LMAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    And PS

    BBC1 tonight

    **** I am SURE it is just a coincidence!!! ****

    Trump’s NYC celebrity apprentice show, repeated, with Britain’s MOST OBNOXIOUS export doing what he does best!!! Shafting people, arse licking to Branson and etc etc etc

    Young Stephen Baldwin saw right through him and called him “BOOMERANG”!!!!!

    In other words, all the shit PEERS (as he aspires to be) flings around, comes back to hit him right in the GOB!!!!!!!!!!!

    LMAO!!!!!!!!!!!

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  70. 224
    b3ast says:

    If I were to suggest that Hairy Botter would love to be to be sodomised by a mass murdering Norwegian homosexual book copier would I be guilty of a hate crime?

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  71. 225
    Ian Curtis says:

    Is there anything this fucker won’t try to copy?

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  72. 226
    not a machine says:

    What surprised me with the hari story was how the useually code orientated journos declared his stuff didnt whiff right , I didnt really read his stuff , but it was the fixing of wikipedia and other peoples wikipedia entires that really made me think he deserved it. He still hasnt cleared the decks either on what happened and how many meetings and co actions he and Mr Rose have in common.

    Just waiting for Obama to declare if we have a fix , and Osbournes is no doubt prepping for stats , my finger in the economy mood has declared there is some real struggles going on in smes, as ken has repeatedly pointed out this has a few years to run . Ed Balls has somehow crafted theres a plan B (where would those £44bn of cuts be Ed) , and his whole approach reeks of the same fazing trickle of the salient problems we all look up to him for :).
    I think Paul Mason put it rather well to Peter Mandelson 2,3 mn jobs created but 1.3 mn lost in manufacturing , er you know we got a few things wrong . I suppose thats as much as we get these days , wonk economics that had enfranchised bag men , and a little statement that we got it wrong while attempting to weather opposition , for some as yet undetermined spring when we have all forgotten what labour did .
    I dont know if a pan credit splurge is right , a turbo on a misfire , is still a misfire , I think targeted credit is what is needed on UK manufactured/produced goods and business costs , other than car fuel , as its making too many marginal scenarios . My local prime shopping arcade is still emptying , rents/rates are high for activity .This is part of the hangover although it hasnt been well explained or considered.
    Andrew Lansleys 2 month old letter is an unusual leak , I think some thought he was defending socialist ecnomics , but an interesting argument in low pay public sector thoughts , although I still believe it was all the high pay public sector jobs that knackered it to £100bn liabilities , and perhaps a basic level of gold pension and a severe choice above it is fair long term solution .

    anyhow think tank central has come up with a shamer for £1bn clean coal Huhne and Osbourne argument , I should be on a % bounus for being a lateral thinker , but hey lifes unfair . Instead of blowing £1bn on clean coal , how about £1bn on LED street lights , I read article that new lights (although not fully trialled by highways all conditions but could be done quick enough) use 40% less electric than 250w sodium variety ie 160 w . I dont know how much electric gets used in street lighting in a county , but must be a win win , reduces nightime demand and could reduce council tax (assuming new post and Leds are cheaper than sodium bulb &post ) , That would be £1bn spent with a return to the people if councils take it off tax , get some economic activity and might mean one less nuclear plant overall .

    Err No Obama fix , bit of nail biter this one , looks like the music has stopped on the debt musical chairs as well . certainly will highlight were the debt is lurking if they default .

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  73. 231
    albacore says:

    So a quack is exposed and now all the spoons he took for a ride are off on a guilt trip for hurting his feelings?
    The guy missed his true calling. He belongs in Parliament.

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  74. 233
    Comic Opera says:

    so all the bombing and killing in Libya may have been for nothing

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/africaandindianocean/libya/8660912/Libya-Britain-admits-Col-Gaddafi-could-stay-on.html

    just what the fuck is this phoney war all about – we dont have the money to bomb everyone

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    • 236
      Archer Karcher says:

      Follow the money, not the money being stolen from us to pay for the latest neo colonial adventure, the money that certain people were set to make from regime change and a shiny new Libyan central bank.

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    • 253
      Fred Karno's Incompetent Sidekick says:

      Well it did give CMD a chance to do his ‘I’m a world statesman, me’ dit.

      Nothing much else except the inevitable mounting pile of dead innocents.

      One wonders if, maybe if we could swap a politician for every little brown child they kill, the world might be a better place. Just imagine how many people would still be alive if it were not for Blair and Campbell.

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  75. 235
    Eye_Spy says:

    It’s good to give out a prize for river cleanliness. Count me in!

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  76. 239
    Mr David Cameron says:

    Sign in Muslim swimming pool- No Running, No Diving, Bombing is encouraged.

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  77. 241
    Taxfodder says:

    Guy news must be a bit slack today….

    Meanwhile DC’s “UK-feelgoodometer” is firmly sitting on the back stop (Actually I think its Gordo’s refurbished moral compass MK1, a spot of brasso and a dab of the old blue tack and, Ta Darrr! the UK feel goodometer is launched on a disinterested public. Tax pounds well spent!

    George Osbourne has a face like a smacked arse, I wonder why…

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    • 254
      F'ing Ridiculous Economic Disaster (FRED) says:

      Because he believed a load of old cobblers he was taught at the Oxford University Centre for Global Socialism. Understandable really because all those privately tutored left wing profs are dead clever. They write papers and everything.

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  78. 244
    Billy Bowden is the greatest umpire ever ! says:

    Maybe he is teaming up with Derek Draper to start a new blog?

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  79. 245
    Tireless Indie Hack says:

    Exclusive Shock Headline!!

    Look what we cut and pasted !!

    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/dpp-was-warned-hacking-was-rife-at-murdoch-paper-2325909.html

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  80. 248
    Billy Bowden is the greatest umpire ever ! says:

    Hang on Guido!

    Remember when the expenses scandal broke and a MP said they wouldnt be suprised if someone topped themselves?

    We was let down then and i fear we will be let down again.

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  81. 250
    Johann Rose says:

    You bastard guido. I’m buying a farm and going below radar for a while.

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  82. 258
    Minekiller says:

    Has Johann Hari ever interviewed David Rose?

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