July 20th, 2011

Two Questions That Won’t Go Away

While Dave clearly came out of the blocks hard and seems to have shifted up are gear, the albatross is still there. While he cleared up some of the mess in the House, there are still chinks in his armour that won’t go away. The hysteria will die down as Westminster picks up the bucket and spade, but there were two key points that Cameron was clearly avoiding.

  • Is “no inappropriate conversations” about the BSkyB deal the same thing as “no conversations”? Obviously not by the way he dodged the question half a dozen times.
  • Secondly, and perhaps more damaging, is the fact that Dave said very clearly that he received no specific warnings about Coulson while he was working at No. 10. Enter stage left Tom Watson who was able to immediately cite a letter he sent in 2010. He received no reply.

Later on in the debate Cameron stated that he sees all letters that are sent to him by MPs. Except this one it seems. The Prime Minister told Miliband to stop “stop hunting feeble conspiracy theories”, yet he hardly shut them down today…

UPDATE: This evening Downing Street have released a letter which was sent in reply to Tom Watson on October 20,2010.


  1. 1
    Johan says:

    The vetting company avoidance was also odd…

  2. 2
    Observer says:

    Cameron has wiped the floor with Labour today.

  3. 3
    poo corner says:

    the text of the letter was obscured by pie

  4. 4
  5. 5
    JJ says:

    He had no complaints about his work or conduct while he (AC) was employed.

    He received no explicit warnings during the recruitment of AC.

    You seem to be mixing the 2 up

  6. 6
    The Umpire is always right! says:

    1: Didnt the EU tell us to nod it thro?

    2: Lost in the post?

  7. 7
    Anybody but Ed says:

    Has this Blog tuned into Labour List

  8. 8

    Can’t believe this.
    Joke from yesterday that I was quite pleased with:-

    I think I recognise that protester that sploged old Rupert.
    Not UK-Uncut at all.
    Looks like my old university chum, Ambrose Clarence Buckingham de la Haye-Fitzcharles of the socialist workers party.

    Turns out ….
    “Noting wrong with posh double-barreled names, but the real name of Jonni Marbles is Jonathan May-Bowles, one of the founders of #UKuncut.”

  9. 9
    Steve Miliband says:

    I’m off to Labour Cist

  10. 10
    Guido is missing the point this time says:

    Who gives a toss whether Coulson had a shadow over him. Neither the police nor the IPCC had any evidence of him having done anything wrong, and unlike socialists I want to live in a country where people are innocent until proven guilty rather than tried based on innuendo and rumour.

    Turn your fire onto the ineffectiveness of the IPCC and the Police, and in particular the last government who failed to ensure that either were doing their job thoroughly enough. If any of them had, then Coulson would never had been employed at No. 10.

  11. 11
    TimS says:

    Cameron is looking a total idiot out there. “You know Uhghhhh.” isn’t an answer.

  12. 12
    Wendi Deng Dong says:

    Wot you looking at?

  13. 13
    Jetboyfantistico says:

    Red Ed has to resign for his inept performance

  14. 14
    mark oatens glass coffee table says:

    I’m just a fucking postbox

  15. 15
    les says:

    You are beginning to look like the Slumber Party – Watson’s letter was written AFTER the event.

  16. 16
    pmy008 says:

    Agreed! Really can’t see why Cameron won’t give the information, unless he doesn’t want anyone to know either what was said or that there wasn’t a check.
    Not wanting to spread more conspiracies, but they are the only things that come to mind when trying to work it out.

  17. 17

    1922 committee will be interesting. How will the back-benchers react when there is no need for tribal loyalty?

  18. 18
    The Umpire is always right! says:

    And remeber when Coulson was appointed he had not been convicted, nor charged with any crime.

    In fact he still hadnt when he resigned.

  19. 19
    mark oatens glass coffee table says:

    I know – and i’m doing that thing with my hand, chopping the table – you know

  20. 20
    Mark says:

    seconded. Well said sir.

  21. 21
    Anonymous says:

    thank you mr speaker

    can I ask my honourable friend for the 382nd time – is the labour party full of shit?

  22. 22
    The Observer says:

    Miliband has wiped the floor with Cameron today.

  23. 23
    Anonymous says:

    I see the new regulatory powers on the social media are already in existence

  24. 24
    Anonymous says:

    Oh priceless just answer the bloody questions you toff nosed moron. Aparently Cameron dosn’t have enough brain power to string 3 words together. Total prick.

  25. 25
    Anonymous says:

    ” Obviously not by the way he dodged the question half a dozen times.”

    Nothing gets passed you, does it? But of course, the issue is whether such conversations were inappropriate, and he clearly stated that no such conversations were. Now, put up or shut up.

    “He received no reply.”

    Presumably because the PM was too polite to say “Fuck off, fat bastard. You did nothing about your friend Damien smearing my wife, so I’m disinclined to take anything you say on trust.”

  26. 26
    b34st says:

    R squared or the infomation forum for kiddie fiddlers?

  27. 27
    Rt Hoon Tom Whatson MP says:

    On a point of order Guido, I did get a reply from No 10.

    Some geezer ( Mr Ed) delivered a copy of my MP’s expenses claims for
    the last 10 years.

  28. 28
    The Umpire is always right! says:

    i would have preferred if he had used a mop.

  29. 29
    TimS says:

    Cameron can’t even count now Whahahaha.

  30. 30
    Anonymous says:

    Come labour give it a rest FFS what about the euro-Land it may collapse,no
    we love all this shit throwing the other stuff proper politics we havent done thats for 13 years,

  31. 31
    Steve Miliband says:

    Does everyone give themselves a ‘thumbs up’, even after an average comment?

  32. 32
    Down with Brown! says:

    Listen more carefully, Cameron said he had received no specific warnings about Coulson’s work for him as Leader of the Opposition or while he was working at No. 10.

  33. 33
    TimS says:

    He admitted to being shown the letter.

  34. 34
    nell says:

    Interesting the cameron has announced he is widening his inquiry to include broadcasting authorities.

    Wonder why that is? Hope it’s to look at the beeb’s bias and it’s complete lack of value for money.

  35. 35
    Mike Litorus says:

    But the letter and avoiding the question has wounded him that little bit more.

    Even if a wound is not fatal, it is the infection that will get you in the end.

    And talking about Brooks’ pyjamas made him sound like a prick.

  36. 36
    Down with Brown! says:

    Mini Guido, I am afraid not as good as the chief conspirator.

  37. 37
    Gordon Brown says:

    I need one too

  38. 38
    Political weather watch says:

    It’s time to move on H@rry. This hurricane story has now blown itself out.

  39. 39
    Down with Brown! says:

    Is Damien McBride the guest editor while Guido is on holiday?

  40. 40
    The Umpire is always right! says:

    Mabye it was smeared beyond regonition?

  41. 41
    Down with Brown! says:

    This is the point Mini-Guido missed.

  42. 42
    Laptop in a taxi says:

    Points of mild interest in Westminster, but the public could not care less, I’m sure

  43. 43
    Infuriated of West Mids says:


  44. 44
    East India Company wallah says:

    Why didnt Cameron simply tell the truth,all correspondence from that west bromwich wind-bag goes straight into the re-cycling basket with all the pizza flyers-the fat twat is a fuckin moron and the voters of west bromwich should be ashamed of themselves

  45. 45
    Down with Brown! says:

    I thought the vetting company was the issue Cameron was most evasive on. Was it one owned by Lord Ashcroft?

  46. 46
    The Umpire is always right! says:

    But his spelling a grammar are :-)

  47. 47
    Infuriated of West Mids says:

    This blog’s getting more and more like the Guardian day by day. It’s only the few sane people under the line that seem to have perspective.

  48. 48
  49. 49
    A linguist says:


  50. 50
    Merrill says:

    Cameron won that one hands down.
    Liebour are looking like the lost souls party,drifting aimlessly

  51. 51
    The Umpire is always right! says:

    Na , Auto mod.

    P_E_A is the one that gets most.

  52. 52
    Steve Miliband says:

    136 questions. 2 hours 20 minutes.

  53. 53
    Down with Brown! says:

    Point one – Cameron said there were no inappropriate conversations with Brooks means that there were no conversations that they wouldn’t be happy having in front of a commons select committee.

    Cameron made lots of valid points against Labour today. Shame you missed them.

  54. 54
    Dead H-Ed Miliband says:

    Ken Jautz of CNN needs to resign.
    He hired Piers Morgan when there were questions over the phone hacking during his time as editor of The Mirror.

    Piers denies any wrong doing or any knowledge of phone hacking. That doesn’t mean anything. Any Accusation is as good as proof!
    He should resign and Jautz and anyone who watches CNN.

  55. 55
    Infuriated of West Mids says:

    Er … Thirded?

  56. 56
    Redpoll says:

    If it’s not on The Archers, it’s not happening. All this hacking stuff is media generated hype why don’t you write a real story? Bring back Yogi Bear…he’s smarter than the average spin doctor…and funnier…c’mon Boo Boo let’s go to MacDonalds and get our arteries coated in cholesterol!

  57. 57
    Venture says:

    Evasion by Dave – or the impression of evasion – is losing us votes by the minute. His continued presence in Downing Street will lose us the next election, because the whole shambles won’t have gone away by then. It will take years for all the worms to crawl out of the can.

  58. 58
    Down with Brown! says:

    Why is the Commons wasting so much time on this?

  59. 59
    Catching the crooks says:

    It has to. Geoff Hoon was caught out by blagging and secret recording by Ch 4’s dispatches, Panorama does much the same as does the BBC’s watchdog.

  60. 60
    Anonymous says:

    Cameron goes on about giving second chance to Andy. Cameron should say what offence Andy did. Otherwise its not a second chance.

    Also Cabinet Office is not a small business to give a criminal a second chance.

  61. 61
    Harry the camel says:

    Guido (or Harry Cole even),

    This has got to stop, the questions to be asked concern Liebor’s and McRuin’s salivating relationship with NI, they concern the exposure of David Kelly and the institutionalized bigotry and lying by the BBC/Grauniad/Indy axis.

    For gawd’s sake get off your BBC driven hobby horse (yes, they are setting the pace for you too), and get back to asking questions about the stinking corrupt left wing cock up of a country you live in thanks to Liebor !

    I despair.


  62. 62
    I don't need no doctor says:

    Labour are just a bunch of tossers. Ed Miliband is totally useless.
    It looks as though the labour whips printed the same question for those labour MPs selected to read them. Thick or what.
    Miliband used as a mop by Cameron.

    Still the same old spiteful, insincere, denying labour.

    Alan Johnson has just shown how thick he is. How can he possibly be on £65k a year. FFS the guy is an imbicile.

  63. 63
    The Gurniad says:

    We agree.

  64. 64
    jabbathecat says:

    Mr Blishi gave the best response to you Damien at the DT
    “You can keep blowing air up this parrot’s arse but the fact is that it is dead.”

  65. 65
    headless says:

    Hopefully mini-Guido won the bet that he could include, and mix, all those metaphors in one post…
    “came out of the blocks”, “shifted up a gear” and “albatross still there [around his neck]” being just three – and all in the first sentence alone.

    Before then going on: “cleared up the mess”, “chinks in his armour” and “picks up the bucket and spade” in the remainder of the first paragraph, to paint a brightly coloured but extremely confusing picture.

  66. 66
    Adam Ant says:

    Soooooooooooo unplug the soapbox and do us all a favour
    That story’s lost its taste, won’t you try another flavour?

  67. 67
    Blu Tweeter says:

    Blog-led political news site the Huffington Post carries the full text of a letter from Tom Watson to David Cameron, dated October 2010, asking the prime minister to suspend Andy Coulson to allow investigation into fresh allegations that he knew about phone hacking in his time as News of the World editor.


    Tom Watson isn’t the only one waiting for a reply from Cameron. John Prescott’s letter warning about Coulson from 2009! http://t.co/s6hbpNY

  68. 68
    McPoison & Dolly the Creep says:

    Not guilty – this time.

  69. 69
    I don't need no doctor says:

    Not while labour are a bunch of tossers.

  70. 70
    Down with Brown! says:

    Get Boris into parliament, then get rid of Dave then. Or wait for Louise Mensch to gain more experience.

  71. 71
    Loungelizard says:

    Jelly Roll Watson has a pie eating grin.

  72. 72
    Gerry Mandering says:

    That’s what happens when you leave the monkey in charge.

    You’ll have your own mess to clean up when your return, G.

  73. 73
    cheche says:

    They had all the committe hearings on in the pub yesterday – no on e was watching or interested. Now I see that half the HoC cant be bothered to turn up. Lets talk about something else

  74. 74
    Anonymous says:

    It might be like the one Yates did. Or asked Andy to do his own vetting and Andy said all clear you can employ me.

  75. 75
    Down with Brown! says:

    Have the BBC been hacking this blog?

  76. 76
    Down with Brown! says:

    Interesting as well that Cameron says he suspects that soon there will be some very big questions for the Mirror to answer.

  77. 77
    Tom Badwind says:

    We’re not interested in facts.

  78. 78
    Anonymous says:

    Due to commercial reasons he might not be able to answer. Reason is, people will not use it if it has cleared Andy.

  79. 79
    Gerry Mandering says:

    The “ineffectiveness of the IPCC and the Police” is whole point of modern Britain.

    Wake up at the back there and fall in line.

  80. 80
    Down with Brown! says:

    Well Hari is in charge this week. Maybe this blog post should win the Orwell prize.

  81. 81
    The Voice of Reason says:

    Doesn’t change the fact that when general Joe Public hits the ballot box he’ll have to put a cross next to:

    a) The dozy, leftie, Union entrenched Gordon Brown clone loon sidekicked by a man who endorses leaving the country ‘Balls deep’ in debt.

    b) The man who hired Andy Coulson.

  82. 82
    Rat's arse says:

    Come back soon Guido. Your stand in is doing my feckin head in.

  83. 83
    RED ED - SON OF BROWN says:

    Becauthe it maketh me look thtatethmanlike.

    If we didn’t have Hackgate I’d look like a total tothther.

  84. 84
    God is an Englishman. says:

    P 4 relief!

  85. 85
    Postie says:

    Isn’t it £54 Dermot?

  86. 86
    misterned says:

    Cameron did not give Coulson a second chance over any alleged direct illegality on Coulson’s part. It was giving him a second chance after he had honourably resigned for being in charge of a team, in which illegality had occurred, although as yet, without ANY evidence whatsoever that he actually knew about it. Until such evidence is presented to a court, or the police or the enquiries, then all we can do is accept that he is innocent until proven guilty of the allegations.

    He has resigned from two jobs over this and yet Miliband still employs another person who (innocent until proven guilty) has not yet had to retire once over allegations that he was involved in illegality himself.

    The media should now use the same zeal it has been using to attack Cameron over NOTHING, to attack Miliband for STILL employing an ex news international hack so far into this crisis. What does this say about Miliband’s piss poor judgement?

  87. 87
    Anonymous says:

    No 10 officials also said for the first time that they believed Coulson met the former deputy editor of the News of the World, Neil Wallis, inside Downing Street during his period as spokesman to the prime minister, saying the two men had been close friends. But they said they were still trying to get to the bottom of what work Wallis had undertaken for Coulson during his period as Conservative party spokesman.


  88. 88
    Postman Prat says:

    £ 65k ??? How much is that per month ???

  89. 89
    Anonymous says:

    only 7 questions just endless repitition. Liebour need new script writers.

  90. 90
    DAVE nothing inappropriate here ,move along CAMERON says:

    Yes he has weathered the storm
    but the more he lies the deeper the shit gets
    and i still think that people are playing a game of political chess here
    Where they ask all the questions ,get all the answers and then once he has backed himself into the corner
    Hit the fucker with the evidence ! “Check mate “!

  91. 91
    When is the ex -News International journalist, Tom Baldwin resigning? says:

    A letter from a Labour MP such as Mr Watson would be viewed as nothing more than smears and lies. Smearing their opponents is what Labour does best. It is standard practice for Labour to lie & smear, I am surprised they have not introduced a lie & smear clause in their manifest along with a clause on bullying.

  92. 92
    The Umpire is always right! says:

    Leave H@rry alone!!!!!

    He proberly playing safe till Guido gets back.

  93. 93
    Desperate Dan says:

    Guido. Why can’t you control this blog from your holiday hideaway instead of leaving your Assistant’s Assistant in charge? It seems to me that he’s a bit of a pinko.

  94. 94
    misterned says:

    Well if the BBC was impartial and, y’know, actually did it’s fucking job, then it would not be falling to Cameron to remind people how much closer Brown and Blair were to Murdoch, than the tories have been.

    The absolute naked and blatant partisanship of the BBC this past week should be examined by an independent commission with a view to establishing if the BBC is still a fit and proper organisation to hold a broadcasting licence.

  95. 95
    Loungelizard says:

    And while you’re about it send over a few copies of the Labour Party Manifesto we’re running out of toilet paper, cheers fatso Dave.

  96. 96
    Tom Barnaby says:

    So you see, Jones, the true story of the phone-hacking scandal is as follows. When the Rev. Wortley left the vintage car club rally in his Bullnose Morris, he was not, as we assumed, making an assignation with Mrs Potts, the vegan aromatherapist, because (unkown to the rest of Midsomer Snapworth) she is, in fact, his daughter by his relationship with Jack Poulterfoot of the Midsomer Bugle, who was, before his gender reassignment, the famous 1980s lapdancer ‘Snakebite’. As the missing egg-whisk shows, he was in reality taking a further consignment of cigars and brandy to the elderly Lord Lucan, hiding for the last 30 years in the gamekeeper’s bothy at Toynbee’s Bottom. The frozen mackerel was a red herring, while the over-ripe Stilton was designed to put us off the scent. As far the radioactive aspidistra……

  97. 97
    Tom Fatson says:

    I have to confess that the letter did have some chip fat on it and I’d rested my Whopper where I’d signed it as well.

  98. 98
    Anonymous says:

    What if it was Brooks or Rupert or even James? It was said Rupert told Cameron, Andy is clean.

  99. 99
    Colin the Meek says:

    Milipede has been useless even by his own low standards today.

  100. 100
    Colin the Meek says:

    Keep the fucker in post, he’s the surest way to keep Labour out of power.

  101. 101
    Anonymous says:

    “he had honourably resigned”; then you don’t call it second chance.

  102. 102
    I don't need no doctor says:

    Far too much!

  103. 103
    Tom Baldwin's Liebour Ajax supplier! says:

    Red Ed mentions Milly Dowler…again, and again, and again…

    but he has alreay been torn a new one today on live TV, along with tony, Gormless McBust, Mcbride and crook campbell…

    Time to get home Ed, your mom is worried, she only sent you out for some rich tea and milk!

    Milly, Milly, Milly….

    You are disgusting REd ED…

  104. 104
    Colin the Meek says:

    Keep ploughing your lonely furrow; someone might notice, eventually.

  105. 105
    misterned says:

    They are looking desperate, clutching at the most tenuous of links, several steps removed from wrong doing, in order to desperately distract from their own, much deeper complicity in corruption and sleaze.

    Labour created all this shit, the tories are cleaning it up.

    And I hope that they look at the lack of impartiality at the BBC and remove their broadcasting licence.

  106. 106
    Jess The Dog says:

    Cameron mostly gave as good as he got, in what has turned into a very partisan issue.

    Interesting to see him fingering McBride and Campbell with regard to ‘falsifying documents in government’. Campbell tweeted that he had not ‘falsified government documents’ which sounds like a slightly different denial.

    I would point to the conveniently-placed letter in the Times by ‘Flight Lieutenant Dan Holland RAF’ and ‘Lieutenant James Hamblin RN’ that appeared a decade ago and was rumbled as a fake, with fingers pointing at Labour government spinners.

    The letter was an obvious lie to anyone involved in military aviation (as I was at the time) because the GR9 would have no air-air radar and radar guided missiles (unlike the FA2).

    I know from my own experience that broadsheet letters pages tend to do a ‘sanity check’ and would not simply print a letter from two officers without further checking, either to verify credentials or to dig deeper into a story.

    So, who wrote the letter, and who placed the letter? Hmmm…..


    From Flight Lieutenant Dan Holland, RAF and Lieutenant James Hamblin, RN

    Sir, We believe that the decommissioning of the Sea Harrier FA2 from service will not, in fact, be as big a blow as many people seem to believe (letter, May 8 and report, May 9).

    The upgraded Harrier GR9 will not be simply ground-attack aircraft but, in fact, will be multi-role. They will, effectively, be doing the job of the Sea Harriers and the Harrier GR7. Instead of our carriers having an air wing of eight Sea Harriers and eight Harriers, we will just have Harrier GR9s, with RAF and RN pilots being trained on it as part of the Joint Harrier Force announced by the Government in the 1998 Strategic Defence Review.

    While Labour’s defence spending policy is far from ideal, it certainly is not making the same level of cuts as we saw in the early Eighties with John Nott’s infamous 1981 Defence Review, or in the early Nineties with the further cuts implemented by the Options for Change Defence Review of the Major Government. If anything, the Tories have done more to hurt our national defence over 18 years than anything Labour could do in five.

    We have seen in other countries that a policy of a single, multi-role aircraft can work, as indeed, the US Air Force and the US Marine Corps have demonstrated. The former uses the F15E for air superiority and ground attack, and the latter uses the Harrier AV-8B II for ground attack and air defence in amphibious assaults. This is what the Government is aiming for.

    We are, sir, your obedient servants,
    96 Harefield Road,
    Uxbridge, Middlesex UB8 1PN.
    May 9.

  107. 107
    Nemo says:

    As an oily rag?

  108. 108
    Loungelizard says:

    Mensch did good!

  109. 109
    RED ED - SON OF BROWN says:

    Wait till I’ve had my adenoids out !!!!

  110. 110
    Anonymous says:

    Best laugh I’ve had today,Tom. Thanks.

  111. 111
    Bertie says:

    Neil Wallis lead crisis management on climate-gate.

  112. 112
    misterned says:

    A lot more when you add on expenses.

  113. 113
    Anonymous says:

    Even Davis David resigned and called an election and won it. No one called it a “second chance”.

    Even Cameron resigned from ITV, Tories did call it a second chance when he joined them.

  114. 114
    Anonymous says:

    Gove was his line manager at the time he was at NI – Ha Ha Ha Ha!

  115. 115
    PDubya says:

    Has this thread been submitted by labourlist.borg or what?
    Point one – There is a whale of a difference between the meanings of inappropriate and appropriate and you would need to be a moron not to distinguish between the two
    Point2- What politician in his right mind,outside of the labour party, would give any credence whatsoever to any remarks written or verbal that poisonous little fat fxxxer made bearing in mind the circles he moved in the last few years.

  116. 116
    HenryV says:

    How many chances did Liebour give Mandy? 1? 2? No 3 times!

  117. 117
    Tom Baldwin's Liebour Ajax supplier! says:

    Red Ed is fucked on Baldwin…

    wait to the Kelly evidence…it all lead to Bladwin and Campbell!

  118. 118
    Anonymous says:

    and Grove is a NI staff Cameron made a senior minister.

  119. 119
    GlobalGaz says:

    I’ll say it again….

    Mr Cameron – tell them all to piss off and stand your ground.

  120. 120
    Carefully Editted BBC Coverage says:

    We too!!!

  121. 121
    Nemo says:

    Seems to have been over doing the moding

  122. 122
    Fat Tomson says:

    Later on in the debate Cameron stated that he sees all letters that are sent to him by MPs. Except this one it seems. The Prime Minister told Miliband to stop “stop hunting feeble conspiracy theories”, yet he hardly shut them down today…

    Yes, as you can see I’m editing this blog now. Nu Liebor did nothing wrong and me and Damien got it right.

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    The Umpire is always right! says:

    Na, its auto mod.

  124. 124
    misterned says:

    A) The dozy, leftie, Union entrenched Gordon Brown clone loon sidekicked by a man who endorses leaving the country ‘Balls deep’ in debt. AND still employs a dodgy ex News International hack who is embroiled in the illegal blagging scam and who leaked the name of Dr Kelly on behalf of the labour government which led to his untimely death and who still refuses to reveal labour’s links and meetings with News International when in Government.

    or B) The man who hired Andy Coulson due to having no evidence upon which to act to NOT hire Andy Coulson… Just lots of politically motivated smears and innuendo.

  125. 125
    MrAngry61 says:

    NMATV strikes again!

  126. 126
    HenryV says:

    Yes caught Sky at it this morning we three nodding donkeys in the pub’ watching the coverage. They got all excited about Murdoch using the rear of Number 10. But when Murdoch said he had been to Number 10 to see Blair and the Scots git he had used the back entrance too.

  127. 127
    DAVE nothing inappropriate here ,move along CAMERON says:

    Well well well Tom Baldwins line manager was Michael Gove
    Well i never

  128. 128
    Desperate Dan says:

    Ed Miliband – Boring, humourless, uninteresting, weird, untrustworthy, self-deluding, dishonest, foreign, distasteful, smelly, unattractive, boring, lying, unoriginal, hysterical, offensive, boring, repellant, wrong-headed, fratricidal, foreign, boring, creepy, dishonourable, flaky, banal, dull, boring, boring, boring, boring, boring, boring zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

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    misterned says:

    So that is how they will hang labour…..

    …. But thus far they have had NO evidence with which to touch the tories. Just smear and innuendo and empty speculation.

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    The Umpire is always right! says:


    Nah, Playing a straight bat, Guido and family are on holiday meaning no free legal advice on tap.

    Give him a break, he is just trying to make sure that Guido doesnt have too many injunctions on his desk when he returns.

  131. 131
    Anonymous says:

    Presclot eats pies.How did he overlook this one?

  132. 132
    Gotcha Balls says:

    Sky have just played the Ed Balls Cameron exchange which ends up with Dave using the Sun Headline.


  133. 133
    Engineer says:

    Has the Euro collapsed yet? Is Italy about to be bailed out, and if so, with who’s money? If the Euro does go down, how will British interests be affected? If the Americans go for an austerity package, how will it affect British interests? Are we still at war in Afghanistan and Libya? Can anything to be done to alleviate recent huge increases in fuel and energy costs? Is the Welfare budget decreasing yet? Is deficit reduction on track, and if not, why not?

    Erm, just wondering, really….

  134. 134
    Ha ha says:

    If Mr Baldwyn should resign because he once worked for News International, then perhaps he should quickly be followed by Education Secretary Mr Gove who was was his line manager at News International.

  135. 135
    HenryV says:

    Cameron wasn’t bad. But he could have been so much better.

    Louise Mensch for PM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! God bless her.

  136. 136
    GlobalGaz says:

    You forgot to mention boring…

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    Jan says:

    RTE news now the Irish outpost of the BBC…. Latest news report on the emergency HOC meeting today totally one-sided. Making Millipede sound like a statesman. To think we have to pay 160 euros for this crap.

  138. 138
    Alastair says:

    I know it infuriates you, but were it not for the Guardian we’d never have got even close to the bottom of this sorry tale.

  139. 139
    imnumbervi says:

    If there is evidence of wrongdoing by Cameron then show it.
    Until then – shut it.

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    Rat's arse says:

    Well said Nell. :)

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    Anonymous says:

    I wish he had, literally!

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    Alastair says:

    Either that or they assume multiple identities to back themselves up – this site doesn’t seem to check IP addresses.

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    CHRIST ON A BIKE! says:

    Oh FFS! Cameron was supposed to give Coulson the bullet on a Labour MP’s say-so? Especially an odious tosser like Watson!

    I wonder how many letters have been written to Milliband about Baldwin by Tory MPs? And if there hasn’t been any, about time there were some.

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    RED ED - SON OF BROWN says:

    Sorry. We’re too busy witch hunting.

  145. 145
    Red Ed the mong says:

    Have I said “Milly Dowler” enough times yet?

    I really enjoy using a dead child for my own political reasons, because I am a total shit, mong and arse c u n t

  146. 146
    Bill d'Sarse says:

    If it’s the company I think it is, then no, Ashcroft has nothing to do with it. (It was mentioned on the Speccie website earlier today).

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    Fish says:

    Cameron was talking about evidence not information.

    Labour were gunning for Coulson from the day he was appointed. It’s worth asking why? Was it simply because, as described above, he had fallen on his typewriter. Or was it because they were ‘frit’. Here was a successful communicator who understood the man in the street and importantly was able to help present a Conservative narrative that people could at last buy into. Labour and their hatchet men saw the obvious danger.

    Or was the real danger that Coulson, an insider from an organisation that Labour were up to their toenails in, knew where their bodies were buried or might use his influence to secure NI’s support, knowing how devasting that that would be politically.

    It seems that those warnings and accusations were little more than ‘wind and piss’ (notice how the specific ‘warnings’ from ‘The Guardian’ were not so specific after all). They will remain so unless and until he is charged and convicted of a criminal offence.

    And then ask yourself in all of that noise, would Cameron really want to trust the judgement of the controversial Tom Watson…or Prescott? Says it all really.

  148. 148
    Tron says:

    Is Red Ed Miliband-wagon running this site while Guido is away ?
    Look out the window. There it is, the REAL World.

  149. 149
    Alastair says:

    If this is nominally a Tory-leaning blog, ‘pot’ and ‘kettle’ come to mind.

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    That's News says:

    Ed Milivanilla will have plenty of questinos of his own, soon.

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    Anonymous says:

    Wiil they have to be removed through your backside, given how close said adenoids are to the brain!

  152. 152
    Ed Balls, Shallow Chancer says:

    We don’t want that posted on the internet , thank you.

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    Moley. says:

    For Fuck’s sake.

    Two Party leaders.

    One hired Coulson, ex News International and got rid of him.

    One hired Baldwin, ex News International, and refuses to get rid of him throughout this whole shitstorm, despite Baldwin’s involvement with the K*lly affair. (Because Baldwin has useful inside information from his previous employer).

    So who stinks?

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    Lurker says:

    Why would David Cameron respond to a letter from an opposition minister and Brown ultra loyalist?

  155. 155
    Duncan Disorderly says:

    Has Mary Riddell been given the keys?

  156. 156
    Steve Miliband says:

    The Guardian have let the Pie Chucker have some more publicity


  157. 157
    GlobalGaz says:

    Hackgate – a bit like surfing really – pure escapism.

    Finger-crossed everyone that Europe won’t turn into a dust bowl….

  158. 158
    Jan says:

    Anybody who saw Shami Chakrabati on Question Time frothing at the mouth when the subject of Binyam Mohammed was being discussed will no doubt agree with me that she should NOT be on this committee.She is, like the BBC totally biased.

  159. 159
    Anonymous says:

    The LieBour bandwagon-pushers don’t wish to hear factual answers to their questions unless the answer will confirm the culpability of Cam*ron & exclude any element of LieBour involvement.
    Cam*ron should continue to attack on the Bald win front & more aggressively.

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    Eamonn U Ensis says:

    I think that Miliband was totally ineffective in his attack and a number of Labour MPs sounded as if they were stuck in a groove asking the same old question over and over again…….face it lads/lasses you’ve blown it…”Dave” has survived until the Summer Recess and as Macmillan said “Events” will crowd in to make this move down the agenda over the summer and don’t forget that soon as Parliament reconvenes Sir John Chilcott is due to publish his report on the Iraq War….not exactly one of Labour’s finest hourse re media manipulation and half truths or likely to prove good reading regarding their connections to the Murdoch Empire in the run up to war and the 45 minute Lie

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    East India Company wallah says:

    rte has been that way for years and is always,always incorrect at gauging the political mood of its own people
    just a bunch of left-wing,liberal,atheistic,humourless, guardian reading pricks

  162. 162
    Anonymous says:

    HenryV says: July 20, 2011 at 2:28 pm

    Have I ever said Mandy is clean or even defended Blair. You might even remember Mandy was is a boat with Osborne. I am not saying they did some thing there as I don’t know.

  163. 163
    Pieman takes on Harriet and Balls says:

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    Lurker says:

    The average voter will have forgotten who Andy Coulson is by next month never mind the next election.
    Labours election broadcasts will shout his name continuously for weeks mind you but people will probably think he’s 2014’s X Factor winner or something

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    slug balancer says:

    On the point of not wishing to disclose the answers, on BBC News 24 at about 2.40 pm, when Ed Miliband was asked by a member of Govt if he would disclose details of any meetings with NI while he was running for leader, just as he was about to reply, the presenter suddenly started talking over him, and when he had finished his reply, she suddenly went quiet again.

    Selective editing of arkward question for Ed by news presenter.

    Biased BBC.

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    The Management says:

    Look, I’ve warned you people before, be very careful about mentioning dead schoolgirls and soldiers in the same breath as NI.

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    Alastair says:

    Struck me yesterday that Louise Mensch and Tom Watson would be a formidable team.

    Cameron won’t get better until he realises he can’t get away with evasion a la Michael Howard on a point that’s absolutely critical to his credibility.

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    Loungelizard says:

    Cameron must stop referring to Watson as Bunter.

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    Westminster Village says:

    Don’t you worry your silly little head about all that. We are big boys and girls and know what is important for us.

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    Admiral Leach says:

    You’ve clearly never seen a real Tory Leader in action, rather than a PR account manager trying to cover his arse. Dave Light Weight was evasive and has left the door open for further Labour attacks on this. He is not out of the woods by any means on this his failure of judgment and leadership may have fatally harmed him.

  171. 171
    Felldoom says:

    Right so I have to believe anything a fatty Arbukle look-a-like who is a know liar and very expenses heavy spender! friend of some truly sick puppy’s ,who was called “disloyal, discourteous and wrong” by Blair ? Jesus how much of a fat two faced freak do you have to be to get that label in the labour party? his public hatred of Murdoch and Fox are well know and statements like
    ” all thinking people should unite against the Murdochs’ vicious brand of politics”
    Means all he is,is a useless biased fat paper weight !

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    Two Eds cause Labour pains! says:

    This navel gazing obsession with trivia may be fascinating for some, but it does not amount to much.
    Let’s paint the scenario as it most likely happened:

    – letter from Tom Watson? Not going to pay any attention to what that pillock has to say!

    – chats with Rebekah over sausages (how I imagine it would have gone):

    Rebekah shakes her red locks, smiles sweetly at Dave as she takes a bite out of a succulent sausage – “So Davey, how’s our BSkyB bid going?”.
    Dave (reminding himself he is happily married): “Well Rebekah, you know I am out of the loop on that, but I doubt there is anything to worry about.”

    Core blimey and how’s your father – if my hypothetical thoughts above are the truth, so bleeding what?

    Let’s get real and move on to the crisis in the Eurozone, the famine in Africa and whether I’madinnerjacket has a couple of nukes inside his tuxedo!

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    The Sleeper says:

    Fuckin’ Harriet Herpes banging on about Cameron “must have discussed BSB bid” during his meetings with NI. To be fair BBC is saying this is just a smear without evidence.

    I do believe Labour have royally fucked this up now…they seem to have no concern about the Countries real issues..and are obsessed with smearing Cameron about Coulson/NI.

    Millipede ,meanwhile, continues to impress with his razor wit and oratory……..


    Fuckin’ prick.

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    The Umpire is always right! says:

    So crime does pay?

    I bet the Guardian are really proud that this brave “Man” attaked an 80 year old man!

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    Dorian Smith says:

    @HenryV – Mandy produced a fraudulent mortgage application and resigned and later on (after yet another resignation) the Labour party made him business secretary. This is the calibre of the accusers.

    Just imagine the furore if Cameron lied to parliament about the threat from a the Middle East with a dodgy dossier which led to Britain invading Iraq, killing tens of thousands of people.

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    Anonymous says:

    There are number of other criminals that haven’t yet been convicted; when is Cameron going to give them second chance and employ them in No 10 where they can have access to all the impotent documents and people.

  177. 177
    Harriet and the Pervs Charter says:

    I never realised that:
    “she called on ministers to make sexually explicit photographs or films of children legal unless there was evidence that the subject had been harmed.”


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    Disco Biscuit says:

    Cameron said that there were no complaints to him about Andy Coulson’s work that he did during his time at No. 10, not that he received no complaints about Andy Coulson relating to any time of his employment with News International when he was at No. 10.
    These are two different things.

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    Anonymous says:

    If Cameron had not employed Coulson he’d probably be Ed Milibands Director of Communications today and we would never have heard another word about phone hacking.

  180. 180
    Anonymous says:

    Brown’s back entrance is a well worn passage.

  181. 181
    Duncan Disorderly says:

    What took them so long?

    The election?

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    pmy008 says:

    I think the idea of it as a second chance is that Coulson didn’t do his job properly at NOTW, i.e. allowing a member of his staff to gain information through illegal means. Cameron, in giving Coulson the job he did, was saying that he was giving him a second chance to do a job in the trust that it was a one-off mistake/error on Coulson’s part to not stop it form happening.

    So there is a recognition that Coulson did something wrong in terms of his job, but not in terms of illegality. Whether or not it is revealed that he did actually break the law in the future, at the time he was deemed innocent in the eyes of the law, but that he had cocked up on controlling his staff.

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    Lurker says:

    But even the CiFers are giving him a hard time for being such a tw*t

  184. 184
    Anonymous says:

    “Just imagine the furore if Cameron lied to parliament”.

    Have you watched PMQs?

  185. 185
    poo corner says:

    Watson is not a Bunter he is not a lard arse, he is not chubby, tunky or just looking well

    Watson is a fat c unt

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    Loungelizard says:

    Is it just me or is Miliband developing a slight nervous tic in his right eye?

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    Alastair says:

    She’s one of the sharpest minds of her generation. But then if you think the BBC is ‘totally biased’ you may not have been paying attention.

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    Spank Sinatra says:

    I have a feeling that the ‘Sky smell’ is the one which will linger. It is quite clear that Cameron did indeed discuss it with assorted interested NI individuals otherwise his denial would have been absolute and immediate. His opponents will focus on (and rightly so) that we must all be reliant on his interpretation as to what constitutes an ‘appropriate’ discussion. That leaves me wholly unimpressed. The Coulson aspect will pass in the fullness of time. What will continue to fester will be the ongoing investigations into the NOTW which will further tarnish Cameron due to his association with the Murdoch, Brooks et al as more shit comes to the surface.

    The most significant event was a couple of hours ago in the announcement that Mulcaire’s legal fees are to be stopped immediately. Mulcaire (supported by NI) launched an appeal against a ruling that Mulcaire must provide full disclosure as to who instructed/authorised hacking at NOTW. Mulcaire is a co-defendant along with NOTW. He may well have to withdraw from the appeal as a result of losing this financial support. If so, more scandalous revelations etc and soon!

    Cameron will suffer a long and difficult summer – I am amazed to hear myself think it but I doubt he will survive the autumn

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    Self Interest says:

    Yes but that’s only because what he did reflects badly on them.

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    Anonymous says:

    Not quite the same as saying, ” We did not discuss the BSKYB bid.” An alternative view would be, ” Yes, we did discuss it but in my view nothing inappropriate was mentioned but I’ll be the judge of that”. Dave = smooth talking piece of rancid weasel shit.

    I smell industrial quantities of whitewash on its way to these inquiries.

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    I don't need no doctor says:

    Would you trust Jack Straw.

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    The Umpire is always right! says:


    Guido has a hatered for small green vegitables

    P_E_A combo is modded.

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    Dorian Smith says:


    Selective quoting anonymous, your answers contain even less imagination than your username:

    “Just imagine the furore if Cameron lied to parliament about the threat from a the Middle East with a dodgy dossier which led to Britain invading Iraq, killing tens of thousands of people.” THAT is what I wrote, as you know, you do not address THAT point, naturally.

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    Ichabod says:

    Still, i’m beguinning to find the idea of Theresa May as PM alarmingly enticing….

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    Anonymous says:

    Gives them plenty of time to shred the evidence & cook up the answers.
    Wonder if Kev McG*ire has anything to say?

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    Grumpy Old Man says:

    The term, “Jelly Roll”, is late 19th C. New Orleans slang denoting a large penis the size of a baked jam roll pudding, hence Jelly Roll Morton. By all accounts, Watson is not over-endowed in the trouser department, though there is a vociferous body of opinion that he is, in the vernacular, a big prick. I concur.

  197. 197
    Mike Hunt says:

    Worked for Bliar against Major.

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    Raving Loon says:

    The case for David Camermong being about as effective as a chocolate teapot:

    1) Couldn’t secure a majority even though Brown was quite clearly a lunatic and had maxed out the nations credit card, yet still felt more borrowing was the answer.

    2) Hasn’t had any effect on the “narrative” of evil Tory cuts, even though government spending, the defecit and national debt are all going up.

    3) Bent over backwards to serve the EU, even though 50% of the people want out; can’t even propose a referrendum even if he personally would like to stay in the EU.

    4) Can’t pin any of the NoTW flak on Labour even though they spent 12 years sucking up to Murdoch and only changed their tune when The Sun realised that Brown had truly lost the plot.

    5) Overseen the emasculation of our armed forces to the point where if Argentina decided to have another crack at the Falklands we’d struggle defending them.

    6) Hasn’t implemented any genuinely conservative policies like tax cuts, curbing regulation, moving towards sound money, pro-British foreign policy or anything a conservative would bother voting for.

    Labour were bad, but how anyone can argue the current lot are better is beyond me. Real conservatives should vote UKIP and accept that the Tories are lost and cannot be saved.

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    Anonymous says:

    The whole Cameron/Coulson situation is a red herring, admittedly one of Cameron’s own making, especially for bringing Coulson in to Downing Street. The really scandal and cover-up is between NI, the police & the LABOUR government back in 2006 to 2009. They all must have known what was going on but Labour did not want to damage their biggest supporter and lent on the police to only do a small enquiry into royal hacking. If all the evidence was locked in a basement and the police never looked at it how did The Guardian and Tom Watson know everything they knew? I suspect it was because the last Labour government knew what went on all along.

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    Ichabod says:

    She is far far too loud….

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    The Sleeper says:

    Straw Poll over lunch in the local just now……

    Q. “What about this Andy Coulson shit?”

    A. “Whose he?”

    Q. “He’s the one that Camerons’ being whacked around the head with”

    A. “Couldn’t give a shit”

    There you have it Ladies and Gentlemen….The Great British Public don’t give a flying fig about Coulson.

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    Mrs. Ball-Scooper ( triple flipper ) says:

    Ed nearly shat himself there !!!

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    Alastair says:

    Actually, Labour and the Tories created the mess together. They both perceived sharing Rupert’s champagne as the key to Downing Street, not least because NI created and perpetuated that perception. They both ignored the findings from Operation Motorman, out of which only the Guardian emerged with a clean bill of health. With the honourable exception of Louise Mensch (brave woman, yesterday) both parties still choose to ignore the Daily Mail’s topping of that odious league table.

    As for closing down the best broadcasting organisation in the world, I suggest you take out a subscription to Fox News (laughable, really, but they do actually charge) and find out what biased broadcasting really looks like.

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    I don't need no doctor says:

    Well put. Miliband really is useless.
    How did Harman husband, the lacklustre Jack Dromey, get his safe seat. Was it Harman’s demand for supporting Brown. Harman really is a shit scrounger. Nice easy money for her and Dromey.

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    Squeeker of the house says:

    MP Geoffrey Cox is making VERY serious allegations against the last gov that the phone hacking was known about in 2006 and suppressed. The person in the frame is the attorney general Goldsmith. Yes the same person waited until 3 days before the start of the gulf war that it was legal.

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    Grumpy Old Man says:

    TB is a disaster when let off the leash.

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    Lord Stansted says:

    Eh, anon dikhead. Since when is it the remit of SMEs to give jobs to criminals and/or ex-cons?

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    Anonymous says:

    With or without Hackgate you are & will always be a total tothther.

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    Hannam says:

    Watson was wrong, as is this blogger (again). Cameron said quite clearly that no-one had questioned the work Coulson had carried out while in Downing Street. Watson’s letter referred to phone hacking carried out before he entered Downing Street.The standard of this blog has become appalling.

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    Billy biased BBC says:

    Cam pointed it out today BBC is left biased, expect some shit BBC you biased bastards.

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    Retread, Rehash, Rewind it's Ground Hog day again says:

    Jesus Christ, why is this boring shit still rolling on?
    This is like being at a Trekkies convention. There is a real world outside you know, where lots of important things are happening, that WILL affect everyones lives.
    Guess what?
    None of them revolve around NI, Rupert Murdoch, Andy Coulson, Johnny Marbles, A. Dozy-Plod or some Z list cleb.

    Unbelievable I know.

  212. 212
    Anonymous says:

    I’m sure the Labour version has Cameron replying;

    “Well Rebekah, as long as the Milly Dowler phone hacking we were laughing about over Christmas lunch, that Andy Coulson arranged, doesn’t get out I’ll make sure there is no problem. Oh, and can Samantha get a programme on Sky 1 to replace Ross Kemp?”

  213. 213
    BBC News says:

    Move along nothing to see here. We don’t deal in allegations only facts.

  214. 214
    Harriet wants questioner arrested says:

    I think I would too that bloke is a bit of a nutter. There was no need for Harriet to order the plod to arrest him though and Im pleased the Plod ignored her.

  215. 215
    Anonymous says:

    Dorian Smith says: July 20, 2011 at 3:10 pm

    I do accept Libya isn’t in Middle East. Nor Egypt, the first thing Cameron did once the mad man was thrown out was to go there with arm suppliers.

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    East India Company wallah says:

    He is giving me a nervous tic in both eyes-even a still picture of the mongrel is enough to make me look away-the car stereo gets offed the minute the BBC play some of his inconsequential blather delivered in his adenoidal lisp-aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhh fuck he haunts me

  217. 217
    gweedo says:

    Hang on though…..

    If Mr Watson felt this so important,,,

    A) why did he not raise it in the next PMQ ???????

    Mr watson gets called pretty often and is clearly friends with the squeeker.

    B) Why did watson not hand this evidence over to the polis ????

    Why send it to the PM … who cannot deal with this things directly as that would be police interference !!!!

    I dont think Watson is the shining light here and has questions to answer

    What did hs know ?
    When did he know it ?

    If he has kept silent and bided his time, sending sneaky letters to PMs and then waiting for no reply….. thats as bad as covering up

    We know he likes to plot against PM’s but is he really the knight in shining armour ?

    His drip drip drip approach is very sad – why not expose his facts day 1 ??????

    Seems only once out of power did he even start to care…. not before.

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    Anonymous says:

    The partisan rubbish now being bellowed by Labour regarding Murdoch and Cameron might have more justice if they weren’t the people that sacked Elizabeth Filkin (for doing her job too well!), Eccelstone affair, employed Alistair Campbell to scream at the papers to ensure daily headlines suited New Labour, the widely accepted sexed-up Iraq documents, the hounding of Dr Kelly, the hounding of Lord Ashcroft, actually the hounding of any Tory to create a headline, RIPA allowing snooping by councils and the rest, the pursuit of ID Cards for all, Jo Moore, Stephen Byers’ aide and “a good day to bury bad news” after the September 11th attacks. Brown, Balls and Milliband using any tactic necessary to remove Blair, the nasty Damien McBride (Brown’s enforcer who screamed at everyone), Mandelson – re-employed 3 times…the list is endless! Oh, and didn’t Brown attend Rebekah Brooks’ wedding and organise her 40th birthday bash and smouch with Murdoch until such time The Sun dared to suggest they were to support the Tories (then phoning them to say he would destroy News Corp…). They harranged the press for a decade and now self-righteously think they can sit on the moral high ground without anyone daring to challenge their views. They trully are the nasty party! Cameron made a mistake, perhaps a bad one in employing Coulson (and Miliband has employed Tom Baldwin from the same camp), but he is at present not guilty of any of the above.

  219. 219
    backdraft says:

    Last month I wrote to Blair warning him about the dangers of invading Iraq yet he has done nothing about it.

  220. 220
    Edward Legge says:

    You mean you thought that after he was elected he would somehow become a competent politician?

  221. 221
    Anonymous says:

    Or Cameron.

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    Hannam says:

    He didn’t know the answer. He was also asked if the company had ever donated to the Conservative Party. He didn’t know this either but promised to find out and supply the information. Don’t you listen? Nothing sinister at all.

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    The Umpire is always right! says:

    its either lying or pressure.

  224. 224
    Grumpy Old Man says:

    Exactly which inept performance were you talking about?

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    Dorian Smith says:

    It therefore follows that Labour and News International “must have” discussed the 2006/7 phone hacking trial then, maybe at a slumber party?

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    HenryV says:

    Well better than my MP who sat next to Mr Watson…….
    ………..who also scuttled out of the Chamber before the end of questions to the PM on his statement.

    Paul, if you are reading this, don’t wear light coloured suits as they make you too easy to spot! Actually if you are in Castle wear one so I can avoid you………

  227. 227
    b34st says:

    To turn his son over to da babylon for doing what he did many years ago
    To suck up to bent a**ans
    To backstab and thieve
    You can trust Straw to do all of those things

  228. 228
    Anonymous says:

    Dorian Smith says: July 20, 2011 at 3:10 pm

    Cameron supported the invasion of Iraq when it happened and he still supports the decision. Has Cameron ever said what happened was wrong?

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    gweedo says:

    As the scandal rumbles on there will be a day when Baldwin may have to resign

    Millband wagon comes of its whells big style on that day !!!

  230. 230
    Jimmy says:

    Et tu Guido?

  231. 231
    Lurker says:

    Some are of course and I’d say around 10% actually support him.
    But from the rest, there’s words like “selfish, moron, pathetic, immature” being bandied around.

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    Anonymous says:

    the BBC has been hell bent on routing for labour during this shambles. the radio editing has been similar with talk overs happening at opportune moments. you don’t have to be a media expert to observe that the bbc is stepping well beyond it’s political remit. the bbc should be closed down immediately

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    Shitzu says:

    when I have finished having a shit and I am not sure whether to make a luxury toilet paper mitten to wipe my arse, I think “i wonder what George Monboit would say if he could me now”

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    Two Eds cause Labour pains! says:

    This could be the smoking gun we have been waiting for. The Government of which Ed Miliband was a Minister, setting out to corrupt a police investigation to please its then friends in the media!

    Puts Ed’s allegations against Cameron into perspective don’t it?

    This is the news item of the day!

  235. 235
    Dorian Smith says:

    @anonymous – what a fucking weak reply, piss off.

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    Anonymous says:

    Yes,I am given to understand thet she is somewhat lacking in the full range of sexual experience.

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    Hypocrite .... says:

    Apropos of nothing, Vaz is a bit rich in condemning NI for lack of co-operation. I think they were more helpful to the Met than he was to Mrs Filkin.

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    Anonymous says:

    Its important because it involves the PM’s office, we cannot have criminals or crooks ruling this country or involved in that process.

    Why are you so eager to cover it up?

  239. 239
    Grumpy Old Man says:

    Log out, wait a few minutes, log in and repost your thumbs. This system is worse than postal voting.

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    not a machine says:

    mmm broadly agree with skys straw rolling poll , whole pirate fleet seemed to put to sea for this one , however a lot of time has been spent on this when the real meat will be from the mets investigations , so looking at that way young ed perhaps pushing his luck and judgement. For nearly 2hrs cameron faced the mps asking tenuous questions , perhaps Tom watsons letter is interesting but why wait 8 months to raise he had not had reply , or is tom watsons follow up tray behind schedule ?
    I think an impossible culmination of the story for 2 weeks with Labour being all too silent on the hypocracy , the lib dems hoping to appear to be the party of clean up and clean politics and certain people close to cameron who either failed him or were niavely overuled .

    Well its holiday time and we can all rest safely knowing president Obama cannot explain the audacity of debt , greece has to visibly show its doing what the ECB wants and gold hits an all time high reminding me of how the ruin was prudent , especially in commons speaking “so long have a nice christmas and see you next year” was perhaps the only real comedy .

    Jesse Norman has illuminated how socialism and PFI were an off balance sheet nightmare in waiting , just hope Mr Gove makes a better job of the new ones .

    I perhaps do bat for the right , but I sometimes just look at some polices and wonder if the public are being treated correctly by the coalition . We of course have HS2 which Phillip hammond seems to think is a bird of paradise rather than albatross , you can only try and make your requests heard , if they choose not to , well at least you said somthing .
    As well as HS2 the other turd that will not flush is the £1bn agreed By chancellor Osbourne and spun by Chris Huhne , true both these projects are old labour ones , clean coal somewhat older in the 70s when the fuel crisis was on . I put again that having three power stations which then require an extra one (just to remove , sequester and pump CO2) is hardly what even the dimmest considers lowering emissions , the emissions from 3 are lower than 4 ,as is the energy consumption , for the maths man of the goverment to be giving £1bn to a pretty obvious wonk green ecnomics case , is somthing I would like to see them both talk about on Andrew Neils sofa .
    As i say the public are getting a lot of spin and not much reasoned information on if there money just isnt going on some sort of , clueless spiv project .
    AD is comming along nicely and thus far the concept of clean and dirty AD is showing its benefits , alas a little to late for the labour project of using 1 mn tonnes of wheat grain to make fuel , which given a 10% reduction on cereals harvest is on the cards is proving what i warned about some years ago not that it stopped £200mn worth of ecnomic mistruth looking non viable now.

    let us hope things move on and some solutions can come to the debts and bailouts , I dont know if “stan and ollie” or Dave and van rumpouy will have the same classic line as regards all that is the gross waste of the EU “well thats another fine mess we cant bail out of “

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    Kill a lefty and win a VW says:

    The letter from that turnip would not be worth a reply, Labour have had their one shot and missed by a country mile, they are now reduced to smearing people you should be wary of, i have a feeling Andy Pandy will get away with this and his feriends will do for Eddie Munster around the next election oh dear ! Edwood was awful today so bad can there be any sane Labour voter, steady we know the answer to that, who wants to go into an election with this Highgate muppet leading the line don”t give me good generals give me lucky ones everytime, as i said yesterday and will keep saying it judge all this 1-2 years down the road silly Milli sleep well and keep those kids close.

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    Sir Simon Says says:

    Of course Cameron had discussions with Murdochs about BSkyB – so what.

    Who gives a fuck about Watson who is lower than shark shit. Woul;d you answer a letter from McBride’s mate.

    FFS Guido you are barking up the wrong tree.

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    Ship of Fools says:

    … ‘might use his influence to secure NI’s support…’

    Now that is funny… Really Fish! Do you think that a Murdoch bag man might ‘somehow’ use his connections to further his bosses’ objectives…

    Christ on a bike…

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    Anonymous says:

    there’s plenty of evidence that watson is a wanker

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    The Sun Ain't Gonna Shine Anymore says:

    Eds M & B will soon be touring as The Winker Brothers.

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    Mike Hunt says:

    Good point Anon:
    We had 13 years of crooks running the country and look at the fucking mess they made.

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    Anonymous says:

    Even more if you add on extra curricular payments.

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    misterned says:

    I am reminded of the saying, “Be careful what you wish for”.

    Ed wanted this full open and public Judge led inquiry under oath, and now he is getting it. Only, the remit is far beyond the minor political distraction of whether Cameron was right to take Coulson’s word and employ him, and it can now move wherever the evidence leads to uncover years and years of dodgy deals and the careful construction of a very corrupt culture involving a politicised police, politicised civil service, the media and the labour government.

    Without this, then we may have only had a tory leader throwing political allegations at a labour leader and vica-versa. A normal, ignorable, childish political spat, in other words.

    Now, however, thanks to Cameron opening this up and offering a truly by-partisan opportunity to take this beyond party politics and draw a line under the past and start afresh and build a better culture for the future….. And seeing labour myopically and predictably throw all that back in Cameron’s face today….

    …We face a rational, and delicious, prospect of an independent court, operating under oath, uncovering years and years worth of ammunition to bury labour with.

    Cameron may just have won the next election this week!

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    tube_thumper says:

    This is all just bollocks

    so dave hired Coulson – mistake ? yes . next?
    dave is friends with Rebecca brooks – so what?
    dave ignored wankers from other parties playing politics. so what?

    Flapyy mouth is trying to make out dave has done something really bad.
    this whole hacking thing is overblown and now very boring.
    Police , politicians, journalists and media moghuls.

    why is anyone surprised about any of this shit

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    Mike Hunt says:

    And also I assume rice

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    misterned says:

    There should be an independent investigation of the BBC’s role and it should assess whether they are still a fit and proper organisation to hold a broadcasting licence.

    Their extreme partisanship over the past few days has been disgusting.

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    Rat's arse says:

    Anonymous, you forget that BLiar and McDoom lied to Parliament time and time again, as has the rest of the Lieber party……. so put that in your Leiber loving pipe and smoke it!

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    Fred says:

    I think I’ll go & look for right wing Consrvative blog.
    Bye ya’all

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    Splooge says:

    The BBC’s bias during this affair has been painfully obvious.

    So, if they wish to continue with their current level of market dominance, I suggest BBC News should be sold off to an independent organisation.

    All profits generated by the sale should, of course, be passed to licence payers, who, after all, have funded it for so very long.

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    Anonymous says:

    hey Alastair

    you’re really funny

    and you’re making a twat of yourself

  256. 256
    Anonymous says:

    … and a hard boiled egg

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    fat pikey with his new wheels says:

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    misterned says:

    Anonymous, Cameron has made a distinction between what he considers was right in toppling Saddam Hussein and what he considers was wrong, the lies and distortions told to Parliament and the people by labour in the run up to that.

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    The Umpire is always right! says:

    This is a right leaning blog that goes after tittle-tattle and goes after all sides.

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    misterned says:

    Do you have any evidence that Gove was involved in hacking or blagging during his time at NI? If so hand it to the relevant police inquiry.

    If not, shut the fuck up as you are talking bollocks!

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    13eastie says:

    We still don’t know who saw it that David Kelly was identified, or who came up with the 45-minute claim.

    Questions DO go away.

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    Durham Lads says:

    The partisan rubbish now being bellowed by Labour regarding Murdoch and Cameron might have more justice if they weren’t the people that sacked Elizabeth Filkin (for doing her job too well!), Eccelstone affair, employed Alistair Campbell to scream at the papers to ensure daily headlines suited New Labour, the widely accepted sexed-up Iraq documents, the hounding of Dr Kelly, the hounding of Lord Ashcroft, actually the hounding of any Tory to create a headline, RIPA allowing snooping by councils and the rest, the pursuit of ID Cards for all, Jo Moore, Stephen Byers’ aide and “a good day to bury bad news” after the September 11th attacks. Brown, Balls and Milliband using any tactic necessary to remove Blair, the nasty Damien McBride (Brown’s enforcer who screamed at everyone), Mandelson – re-employed 3 times…the list is endless!

    Oh, and didn’t Brown attend Rebekah Brooks’ wedding and organise her 40th birthday bash and smouch with Murdoch until such time The Sun dared to suggest they were to support the Tories (then phoning them to say he would destroy News Corp…). They harranged the press for a decade and now self-righteously think they can sit on the moral high ground without anyone daring to challenge their views. They trully are the nasty party! Cameron made a mistake, perhaps a bad one in employing Coulson (and Miliband has employed Tom Baldwin from the same camp), but he is at present not guilty of any of the above.

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    misterned says:

    Baldwin should resign ACCORDING TO THE STANDARDS THAT LABOUR ARE TRYING TO HOLD CAMERON TO, because, unlike Gove, Baldwin IS embroiled in allegations of illegality.

    Your clutches at ever increasingly desperate straws are looking more and more pathetic.

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    Squeeker of the house says:

    It is getting better and better, Cox is saying that the then DPP was in on the decision in 2006. This is the same person, Lord Macdonald, who is how working for NI.

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    TollyPointBee says:

    Why is the name of the company Dave used to vet Coulson such a secret please?

    Who is Jeremy Kocoba of Jay Kays Detective agency in Sussex?

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    misterned says:

    There should be an independent commission drawn up to examine if the BBC has held to its remit of impartiality, or if it has used its disproportionately large influence to attempt to mislead the nation on this important issue.

    The central question being, are the BBC still fit and proper to hold a broadcasting licence?

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    misterned says:

    I noticed that the BBC NEVER showed that little crucial additional bit of info on the news. Only the innuendo of Murdoch “sneaking” in the back door to see Cameron.

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    The Voice of Reason says:

    Andy Coulson was never found guilty, but was in the same building at the time of phone hacking and therefore is wholly unreliable and responsible for murder.

    Tom Watson was found guilty 10 times over of over-claiming and charging more for food in year than we send to Africa in food aid. We should take his word for it.

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    misterned says:

    Do you work for the dreadful, amateurish, biased and woeful BBC by any chance?

    The only alternative to BBC is Fox? What about RT? CNN? Al Jazeera? MSNBC etc…?

    The BBC is the ONLY news organisation which is dominant and which I am forced by statute law to pay for and so I expect the BBC to remain true to its statutory remit to remain impartial.

    By ANY standard, the BBC has utterly failed to remain impartial.

    As for the tories creating this mess too. They did indeed have very close links with the Murdoch press when Murdoch fully and enthusiastically endorsed Thatcher, BUT it was LABOUR who politicised the formerly impartial civil service and it was LABOUR who politicised the Met police and through that encouraged those to use the same spin and media manipulation which the labour party had used to such effect.

    THIS politicised incestuous relationship between the labour Government, the civil service, the police and the media is what encouraged and fed the corrupt culture in which this hacking and blagging took place and in which, despite many warnings, ensured that the illegality was covered up and not fully investigated.

    All THAT shit was solely created on LABOUR’s watch.

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    TollyPointBee says:

    Is said private eye doing the rounds looking for a few quid to keep his mouth shut!!?

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    sg-strummer says:

    Of course they talked about it, and of course the idiot left are going to keep asking the same question ad nauseum in the hope of making it seem that Dave got involved in the decision making, which he has clearly stated he was not. Lies and smears are all they are good for.

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    Jan says:

    ‘ one of the sharpest minds of her generation..’ exactly. She was born in 1969 so by the time she was old enough to be educated the British education system had been hijacked by the left. I saw her on Question Time the night her head nearly exploded, when she was full of rage,eyes bulging, head swivelling doing a very good impersonation of a person possessed. Why? Because the latest cause-celebre Binyam Mohammed was being released from Guantanamo. This poor innocent misunderstood man who had gone to Afghanistan to find a cure for his drug addiction (hahahaha) was blaming the British as he had allegedly been tortured in Morocco by the yanks. He has been enriched greatly since his release and is now living off the British taxpayer all thanks to the likes of Ms Chakrabati and her ghastly leftie mates. He is not a British subject,so why he was allowed back into the country is beyond me.But hey why put a small matter of legality into the mix?If she says he is entitled to our money and entitled to stay in our country then who are we the British taxpayer to argue?
    As far as I am concerned she would not be impartial. She is a leftie.

  273. 273
    micha987 says:

    From HuffPo:

    Today 2:19 PM Interesting Press Release Sent By The LibDems

    The Labour Government spent nearly £38m on advertising in News International titles between 2005 and 2010, a Parliamentary answer to Co-chair of the Liberal Democrat Parliamentary Treasury Committee, Stephen Williams, has revealed.

    The Tory-LibDem government has spent less than £900,000.

    •More than £17m was spent advertising in The Sun, including £4.5m between April 2009 and March 2010.

    •More than £7m was spent advertising in the News of the World, including £1.8m between April 2009 and March 2010.

    •£877,153 was spent advertising in all News International titles between April 2010 and March 2011.

    Stephen Williams said:

    ““Despite the dire state of public finances, the Labour Government continued to spend millions with the Murdoch tabloids.

    “This confirms the impression that the last Government was obsessed with spin and prepared to use taxpayers’ money to push its agenda with a bloated advertising budget.

    “I am glad the Coalition has slashed expenditure by 90 per cent with these titles, continuing only essential information messages.”

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    micha987 says:

    We need more of this kind of information gracing the front covers.

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    Olivia says:

    Yes, we shouldn’t make the mistake of thinking that just because Cameron is no longer a credible figure, that the New Labour regime should be welcomed back.

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    Armingford says:

    I’m curious. Just supposing that Coulson ends up facing criminal charges, either for phone hacking or misrepresentation to gain employment, would not the first line of his defence be that Milliband’s public rants have created a situation where obtaining a fair trial in this country would be clearly impossible?

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    Tom Baldwin's Liebour Ajax supplier says:


  278. 278
    Squeeker of the house says:

    Nobody should have failed to notice the enormous increase in gov paid advertisements leading upto the last election. On LBC LITERALLY every other advert was from the labour gov. I took it to mean give up a good press and will will spend shitloads of taxpayers money on you.

  279. 279
    Cynical Old Man says:

    13Eastie, Alistair Campbell once said on TV that he had the press constantly calling him and asking for Kelly’s identity. He said that he gave only enough information for them to investigate. It turns out he contacted Tom Baldwin and gave him enough details for anyone in the know to fathom out who it was. It has been established that Campbell was desperate to get Kelly’s name out in the public arena.

    Knowing the close relationship between Campbell and Baldwin, I think we can safely say Good old honest Ali wilfully leaked Kelly’s name to his mucker at the Times.

  280. 280
    Alex says:


    Did you intentionally not provide details of the content of the letter because it doesn’t make such a good story, or was it just not available to you?

    Big fan of this blog, and not particularly a fan of Cameron, but this story looks pretty weak from where I’m sitting at the moment.

  281. 281
    pissed off voter says:

    coukd have been vetted by a company with strong associations with someone in his party. Of course, he might just have asked Rebekah :)

  282. 282
    Nothing better to do. says:

    Too right, everybody has gone mad about this when they should be asking why did Dave start a pointless war in Libya? why doesn’t he get us out of the Eu? why doesn’t he reduce massive deficits? The list goes on and on but all we here is this crap.

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    Johnny says says:

    There is a link to it in the second bullet point.

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    pissed off voter says:

    I note he has been absent from newspaper reviews where he is such a regular. Not like him to resist easy money. Is he on holiday already? Or just tainted?

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  287. 287
    Bob Dole says:

    What are the chances nothing will come of the Andy Coulson arrest? Any takers? Thx.

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    Iloathlefties says:

    This hacking stuff is like Groundhog day. Keep rewinding and try again Dave!!

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    polly swallows says:

    Looks like Dave did answer Fatty watson’s letter.

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    dwwolds says:

    And on he BBC news last night the bit about Murdoch using the back door when visiting Blair and Brown was edited out.

  291. 291
    The Truth Will Out! says:

    I am intrigued by the following exchange:

    “15.15 Keith Vaz tells MP Geoffrey Cox that he is going to write to the former Attorney General Lord Goldsmith about a note from the Crown Prosecution Service about phone hacking (in 2006). Cox said that instructions came from high up in the last government to “confine” the hacking investigation to the Royal family.”

    If Cox has evidence to backup this revelation, it will be a disaster for Labour. For me, this was the most significant exchange of the day.

  292. 292
    A load fart says:

    Well, would you?

  293. 293
    Holly says:

    Let’s all suppose Cameron did talk about the BSB deal.
    Using the same shoddy, lazy ‘jump to conclusion’ reasoning some bods are alleging.

    Surely the deal would have gone through weeks ago.

    Made up stories, by lazy journo’s who have, it seems, hired law breakers to do their job.

    Get a grip FFS!

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    Holly says:

    Re no ‘SPECIFIC’ warnings about Coulson.

    AT THE TIME there were no specific warnings about Coulson.
    Speculation, tittle-tattle & gossip are NOT specific, based on facts at the time and dump us in a shit sorry state if this is how we judge people.

    AH!, but we do…
    Remember the landlord, who by the way, I defended to the hilt, with family members who bought into the ‘ he’s odd’ , so MUST be guilty, stories printed by our excuse for journalism.

    I also argued with Mr Holly about the innocent man shot dead on the tube.
    Because of the incompetence of the Met…..Now there’s a suprise eh?

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    slug balancer says:

    Are you the Alistair who falsified documents and is responsible for the deaths of tens of thousands of innocent women and children?

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    Archie says:

    Exactly my attitude over the never-ending Huhne-gate!

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