July 12th, 2011

Hari Lifted Orwell Prize Piece From Spiegel

As the outrage about journalistic practices spreads, it would be easy to forget the ongoing drama around the Independent’s Johnan Hari, and the investigation into his shameless plagiarism. Other bloggers have started to unravel Hari’s strange online antics, with lots of questions about Hari’s alternative personality online spinner “David R”. Who mysteriously shares an IP address with the Indy…


Currently having his 2008 Orwell Prize reviewed, Guido would like to point the committee to some alarming similarities between one of the articles that Hari submitted for the prize, and a feature in the German magazine Spiegel.

  • Take a read of the first six paragraphs of Johann’s award-winning piece “How Multiculturalism is Betraying Women”. Powerful stuff.
  • Then take a read of the first six paragraphs of Spiegel’s  “Paving the Way for a Muslim Parallel Society”. How odd.

Though he goes on to credit Spiegel with having“documented a long list” mentioned later in the piece, Johann fails to mention he gutted the German introduction, stealing its narrative, facts and quotes. It relies on the same individual cases and lifts a quote from German Minister for Integration Armin Laschet, that was sourced by another journalist If the Orwell Prize committee haven’t read both pieces then they can find them here and here.

And it wasn’t just the Germans that Johann ripped off. In the piece Johann states:

“As the Iranian author Azar Nafisi puts it: “I very much resent it when people – maybe with good intentions or from a progressive point of view – keep telling me, ‘It’s their culture’ … It’s like saying the culture of Massachusetts is burning witches.”

In Johann’s critical review of Nick Cohen’s “What’s Left?” he wrote:

“Cohen quotes the Iranian author Azar Nafisi: “I very much resent it when people – maybe with good intentions or from a progressive point of view – keep telling me, ‘It’s their culture’… It’s like saying the culture of Massachusetts is burning witches.””

It seems odd given how scathing Hari was of Cohen in the review that he would go on to quote “What’s Left” without crediting his source. Well it would odd if it was anyone but Hari…

N.B. Lest Guido should be accused of “doing a Hari”, the above points are largely based on original research by Hopi Sen, see also this comment from Hopi.


180 Comments

  1. 1
    • 11
      Harri kari says:

      Silly boy. Has he never heard of the google search engine?

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    • 13
      Anonymous says:

      Looks like even senior police offices were afraid of Rupert’s gang. How can this happen in this country?

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      • 25
        Anonymous says:

        Former Metropolitan Police commissioner Lord Blair told the committee his home and mobile telephone numbers were found on lists obtained by detectives investigating phone hacking at the News of the World.

        Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2013742/Phone-hacking-Conspiracy-police-chiefs-quizzed-News-World-investigation.html#ixzz1RtRCl21B

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        • 34
          Tax Payer says:

          So what?

          Being a senior policeman brings these things?

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        • 54
          stun says:

          Is this still PIN numbers on mobile phone answering services? It’s just because the way it’s now being portrayed is suggesting much more heinous crimes e.g bugging etc.

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        • 120
          Bartholomew, George Osborne's Teddy says:

          And did Blair say whether they were found in the context of hacking or being a supplier of information to the journos?

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        • 132
          Postlethwaite says:

          I would be more surprised to know Metropolitan Police commissioner Lord Blair’s number was not there . . . along with the Bulger killers’ phone numbers

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        • 140
          Engineer says:

          Has Lord Blair claimed that his voicemail was intercepted, or that this phonecalls were in any way monitored?

          There’s a difference between ‘being on the list’ and being ‘hacked’.

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      • 130
        Once brown always a shit says:

        fascinating to hear the met under question by the home affairs committee but quite incredible that the chair of that body remains vaz…a more slippery double talking individual would be hard to find and his both political and general comments are truely sickening to listen to. Disgusting creep.

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        • 136
          Anonymous says:

          Too right. It’s hilarious (in a bad way) that Vaz is in charge of that committee.

          I’d rather believe all those fuzz than any of those M.P.s – pea-brained sanctimonious tossers the lot of them.

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        • 149
          Vazzzzoline says:

          Vaz looks smugly comfortable as chairman. Is he sitting on the one or more of the silk cushions that he claimed on expenses?

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          • IED detector man says:

            Why was the Hindja brother affair with all the sleazy allegations of smug faced Vas involvement with these two brushed under the carpet? As for Vaz he should not be in charge of a jar full of slugs. But he could join them inside the jar as he is as slim and horrid as them.

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    • 17
      Johnan Hari says:

      He needs to resign

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    • 18
      Anonymous says:

      Bridget Phillipson, a Labour MP, asks if it is surprising if criminals do not want to cooperate with the police.

      Yates says parliament might want to look at “production orders”. If companies are cooperating, then the police have to respect that, he suggests.

      http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/blog/2011/jul/12/phone-hacking-scandal-live-coverage

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    • 20
      Airey Belvoir says:

      Guido currently having his 2007 Orwell Prize reviewed? (As stated above). I did not know that he had one.

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    • 30
      Polly's Villa in Tuscany says:

      Fat-Hari obviously made a c*ck-up as he was tired and emotional after a long evening at “the Hoist” in Vauxhall. The Amyl will do that when mixed with Provigil…

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    • 36
      Polly the Ostrich says:

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    • 60
      Sir William Waad says:

      Copying from one source is plagiarism. Copying from three is research.

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      • 87
        Not in a hurry hari says:

        Research is built on using others’ work – it’s not citing it that makes it plagiarism.

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      • 90
        Wernher von Braun says:

        Research is what I’m doing when I don’t know what I’m doing.

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      • 124
        Bartholomew, George Osborne's Teddy says:

        It takes my man back to the good old days of the Bullingdon when copying was absolutely forbidden. The members employed minions to write original essays.

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    • 151
      Once brown always a shit says:

      for brown to suggest he stood up to NI is risible…complete utter nonsense…he courted their support…he pandered to them…his henchmen and spinners were totally focused on keeping them onside…only when the sun changed direction and came out in favour of the Tories did the sour grapes start to come out. the little twat miliband still witters on in a quasi saintly fashion demonstrating consistently an expediency factor unsurpassed thusfar. Truely hypocritical in every sense.

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    • 153
      Hopi Sen says:

      I’ve got to the rather depressing stage where i’ve concluded that the Hari defenders feel they can’t back away from him without losing face, so will stick with him untill someone with “authority” in commentariat calls him out. I’ve met a few liberal journo’s who seem to think he’s a compete fraud, but are waiting on the Orwell prize people. So for me, that’s what counts.

      Mind you, I think you’ve missed the best bit of the stuff on the article. Warning though treat with caution. If I’m right, and JH simply made up the names of these women to make his piece sound good, he’s not just a plagiarist, he’s a fantasist. Worth pushing on it?

      The names in the Hari article were confusing me.

      In the article JH had written, he’d sourced all the examples and all but two of his quotes from a single Speigel article. But the Speigel piece didn’t give *any* names for the cases he quoted, So where were they from?

      He makes a point of using the names of the women – “*The crux case centres on a woman called Nishal..”* and so on, before finishing *”Yes, it would be easy to keep our heads down, go with this multicultural drift, and congratulate ourselves on our tolerance of the fanatically intolerant. But I can give you a few good reasons not to. Their names are Nishal and Ibthahale and Zeynep and fatima, and, yes, they were women.” *

      If JH had done anything in the piece, it was to use the names of the women as a motif, a call to passionate action. It’s what makes the article work. It’s what makes it sing – it gives it emotional resonance. The names give the ending power, and if JH had researched to get the names, he could make a case that this was his personal contribution.

      So I had I look.

      In his independent article, Johann calls the 26 year old woman whose case is at the heart of the article “Nishal”

      “a woman called Nishal, a 26-year-old Moroccan immigrant to Germany with two kids and a psychotic husband.”

      Note – the Spiegel Article does not name her.

      “A 26-year-old German woman of Moroccan origin who was terrified of her violent Moroccan husband”

      http://www.spiegel.de/international/germany/0,1518,474629,00.html

      Nor did the New York Times:

      “The 26-year-old woman in this case, whose name has not been disclosed, was not so fortunate. Born in Germany to a Moroccan family, the woman was married in Morocco in 2001, according to her lawyer, Ms. Becker-Rojczyk.”

      http://www.nytimes.com/2007/03/22/world/europe/22cnd-germany.html?pagewanted=1&ei=5088&en=3d013a9c6e9714d6&ex=1332216000&partner=rssnyt&emc=rss

      Despite this, a name has been used in the media coverage of this case- but it is not Nishal.

      It is Najat.

      For example, here is a Speigel article on the case (in German) which calls the woman in question Najat L, throughout.

      http://www.spiegel.de/politik/deutschland/0,1518,473108,00.html (you can use Google translate to get a rough sense of the article)

      while ABC news reported:

      “Najat L., a 26-year-old mother of two, wanted to divorce her husband, who she said had beaten her and even threatened her with murder. The woman had called the police a few times when her husband got violent.”

      http://abcnews.go.com/International/story?id=2976740&page=1

      Now, these reports were from the time of the court case, a month before the JH article, but I’ve not been able to find a reference to a Nishal outside of JHs article.

      Of course, all I’m doing is googling, so I could have missed something obvious, like a report where her “real” name was revealed, rather than the “Najat L” used in the papers, but i haven’t found it yet.

      I just say, it may be worth asking JH where he got the names (that gave the piece it’s moral power)

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  2. 2
    Jo Yo Hari says:

    Today I’m interviewing Napoleon.

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    • 21
      Anonymous says:

      You might be able too but you never be able to interview Cameron this month.

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      • 38
        Anonymous says:

        David Cameron is in Cardiff today, where the cabinet is on an “away day”. But, as my colleague Steven Morris reports, Cameron is not keen to meet the press.

        Downing Street seems to be working hard to limit the opportunities journalists have to get close to David Cameron in Cardiff.

        Even local accredited reporters are not being allowed into the “cwrt”, the area next to the Senedd’s debating chamber where members and media usually mingle and chat before and after debates. Cameron is giving a speech – on Welsh affairs – to assembly members shortly.

        Assembly sources make it clear that it’s down to Downing Street and special branch – nothing to do with them. “Security reasons” are cited by one Downing Street aide.

        Television journalists are told there will be no organised shots of Cameron arriving – they are puzzling out ways of getting a shot from their office windows.

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        • 68
          Camoron bravely runs away. says:

          Cameron is in fear of the obvious question:

          “Why, Prime Minister, when your government is £2,000 billion in debt, and after you promised ‘no Euro Bailouts’, has your government just squandered another £9.2 billion for.. euro bailouts?”

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          • walk the lines says:

            they deserved a second chance and it was the right thing to do.

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          • I thought you were joking says:

            The Treasury will publish full accounts for all Whitehall departments to give taxpayers an idea of what the public finances would look like if it was a company.
            The move will for the first time bring into one place the future liabilities of accrued pension liabilities for public sector workers and the future costs of schools and hospitals built using the private finance initiative.
            Experts suggest that this will add an estimated £1,200billion from debt in the accounts of 1,500 public bodies to the Government’s books.
            Adding in the official national debt figure of £909billion, it takes the overall total debt bill to more than £2,000 billion, as at the end of 2009/10.

            http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/8632141/Britains-total-debt-to-top-2000000000000.html

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  3. 3
    Jess The Dog says:

    Maybe he can put it down to a brief lapse of judgment because of anger and distress after the Sun and the Times hacked his phone? Worth a try…

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    • 24
      Gordon McTwat Brown says:

      I would have won the election if it wasn’t for the hacking of my phone (the one I didn’t smash)

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  4. 4
    Si says:

    Time to close down The Independent?

    It’s not like it would be missed by as many people as NoTW

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    • 95
      Not me, Honest! says:

      It is only read by people who seem to be trying a bit too hard to not look like Guardian readers.

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  5. 5
    isaac hunt says:

    phone hacking, other peoples article hacking, same slime different medium.

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  6. 6
    AndyN says:

    What an utter berk. Ugly too.

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    • 47
      Ian E says:

      At first sight you might not be surprised at him being gay – what woman would touch him! But then, what man would?

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  7. 7
    Jimmy says:

    We return now to our main story…

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  8. 8
    Bled White Taxpayer says:

    Johann Hari epitomises for me everything that I loathe about the self-centred, whining, holier-than-thou, gay-is-good London leftist literati. And reading Jack of Kent’s blog, it appears that when he is not irritating me, he spends his waking hours obsessing over his online profile, re-editing Wikipedia, replacing truth or fair comment with lies, and writing gay porn.

    I hope he burns in hell.

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    • 172
      Anonymous says:

      The porn he is alleged was more than simply “gay”. It was gay, incestuous, and paedophilic – involving a 15 year-old brother.

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  9. 9
    Jess The Dog says:

    He’d better instruct a lawyer ASAP or he really is toast!

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  10. 10
    Jimmy says:

    Wasn’t David Rose the guy who first profiled you?

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    (I've been renamed) DA-Notice says:

    Let’s face it, with the Turnitin plagiarism checking system at universities nowadays for assessed assignments, if he’d tried that on at uni he’d have been had up quicker than you can say’ Johann Hari’s a copycat’.

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  12. 14
    Hmmmmm says:

    Not 100% sure of the picture caption there…

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  13. 15
    Anonymous says:

    Sorry, I don’t think anything here is bad journalism, or even sharp practice.

    To take the Nafisi quote first – “puts it” does not imply that Nafisi spoke directly to Hari. It’s a perfectly reasonable convention for quoting someone’s publicly expressed views.

    Would you expect this to read “As author Nick Cohen quotes the Iranian author Azar Nafisi as having said…”?

    And to take the Spiegel article second, Hari is simply reporting a case reported publicly in a number of places, and nothing is verbatim from the Spiegel source.

    He adds extra information suggesting he’s either used a different source, or researched it across several publications.

    Later in the piece, he gives Der Spiegel a hat-tip: “The German magazine Der Spiegel has documented a long list of these multicultural verdicts”.

    Don’t think you’re gonna get him on this one, sorry.

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    • 31
      Jabba the Cat says:

      You are David Rose and I claim my £5.

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    • 64
      Bled White Taxpayer says:

      Check the IP on that post Guido. Is it the same one that Jack of Kent revealed as being an Indy IP address?

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    • 113
      Maximus says:

      FFS can’t you see the pattern yet?

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    • 179
      Augustine says:

      I agree…and in response to the other replies to you, I think those who are trying to paint EVERYONE who defends Johann Hari (or even defends only some aspects of his work) as being Johann Hari himself are really intellectually dishonest and lazy.

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  14. 16
    sockpuppet #4 says:

    That last one really skims the edges of Plagairsim. e.g.

    If i quote churchill. and say it was his quote. thats plagairism, because I am not saying whether I looked it up on wiki, heard it on the original BBC broadcast in 1941, or read it in a book (that wasnt by churchill himself).

    And you know what – if I said I heard it on the radio in 1941 I wouldnt be a plagairist either. I would be a bullshitting loony. In the court of public opinion which offense has the highest sentence? Bullshitting lunacy or plagiarism. I believe the first is often a more apt charge.

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  15. 19
    Johann Hari says:

    Brown looked at me tearfully. “They invaded my privacy” he said. I nodded compassionately. This time the press had gone too far.

    As I departed after my interview with the man who’ll be remembered as the greatest British prime minister ever, a profound thought occurred to me. We must never judge someone until we walk in their shoes. Moreover, the grass is always greener on the other side. And let’s remember that life’s a bitch and then you die. Roads? Where we’re going we don’t need roads. Here’s Johnny. Frankly my dear, I don’t give a damn. Tomorrow’s another day. Tomorrow, tomorrow, I love you tomorrow. I’ll be back. Hasta la vista baby.

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    • 75
      An Ancient Lawyer says:

      Even Gordon’s quote is a plagiarised copy of Prince Albert’s testimony in a case still quoted in English tort law from 1849 when the Prince Consort tried to maintain privacy in the matter of Mr Strange publishing his etchings without permission, after which some people (without compelling evidence) ascribed to Queen Victoria the phrase “We are not amused”.

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  16. 22
    Jason Alvey says:

    The photo you’re using is mine and I haven’t authorised you to use it. Kindly take it down immediately. If you fail to I will be forced to take advice on further steps.

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  17. 23
    Tumbleweed says:

    One thousand six hundred and fifty arrested in Kuala Lumpur.

    Malaysian Polis Crackdown on Protesters

    zzz

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  18. 26
    Cato Street Conspirator says:

    Is Hari still writing? I’m sorry, I mean rewriting.

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  19. 27
    Johann Hari says:

    I am sitting in the morning at the diner on the corner, waiting at the counter for the man to pour the coffee. And he fills it only halfway and before I even argue he is looking out the window at somebody coming in.

    It’s my fellow progressive journalist Kia Abdullah. Our eyes meet. She looks sad, but she tries to shrug it off.

    “Hey hey hey,” Kia says, looking at my eyes. “Everyone is talking about me, it makes me feel so bad. Everyone is laughing at me, it makes me feel so sad.”

    I give her a short comforting hug and advise her to lay low. She agrees. She is aware of the problems I face, too, telling me to get out of town for a while. “You’d better make your face up in your favourite disguise,” she warns, “with your button down lips and your roller blind eyes. With your empty smile and your hungry heart, feel the bile rising from your guilty past. With your nerves in tatters as the cockleshell shatters and the hammers batter down the door. You’d better run.”

    I run. Kia runs. And you should run, too.

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  20. 28
    Gordon Brown ate my hamster says:

    The more I discover about Hari, the more odious he appears. In addition to smearing critics on Wikipedia, you can also add posting nasty reviews on Amazon. He wrote invective about a professor when he was at university. When Private Eye approached the prof to ask why Hari had it in for him, all he said was that uni staff had lodged a complaint about Hari’s unpleasant rude behaviour! :-D

    http://liberalengland.blogspot.com/2011/07/johann-hari-used-amazon-reviews-to-get.html

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  21. 32
    the general public says:

    Can anyone explain to me why this story is important?

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    • 37
      Anonymous says:

      We like to poke fun at the pompous, hypocritical Left

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        the general public says:

        No, that’s why the story is fun….but I asked if anyone knows why it’s important (which I presume it is supposed to be given the huge amount of word space Guido has been giving it and for some considerable time now)?

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    • 39
      Gordo Time says:

      Nope. No one can.

      Time to get back to Gordon

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  22. 33
    Hari Ettharman says:

    Hari Krishna, Hari (George) Carey or Hari Cohen (MP) ?

    Full judicial inquiry forthwith to be headed by Lord Hari Woolf

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  23. 40

    Mr Fawkes,

    If this is how Hari wrote ‘professionally’, shouldn’t his Cambridge degree thesis be subjected to a little scrutiny? After all, it’s highly unlikely that he acquired this habit overnight at The Independent. In His Grace’s experience, skills in plagiarism are developed during the student years. When Hari was at Cambridge, the software to detect subtle incidences hadn’t quite been developed.

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  24. 43
    Bad Cop says:

    Hayman looks like one shifty spiv

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  25. 45
    David_r says:

    David_r of wikipedia fame asked if people wanted to contact him at the Independent, where he was a sometime sub-editor, to ring a number which put call to the newsdesk.
    Shurley Shome Mishtake?

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  26. 46
    I don't need no doctor says:

    Just seen Ed Miliband with the Dowler family on ITV news. You can tell the creep is just not sincere. It can only be hoped that Miliband comes unstuck big time.
    Brown is going to come unstuck very soon.

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    • 52
      Creep Watch says:

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      • 56
        Tax Payer says:

        Yeah, because your government bottled proper regulation.

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        • 70
          Let the Law enforce the Law says:

          It’s nothing to do with regulation.

          A regulator can not prevent someone from breaking the law and when someone does break the law it is the police’s job to investigate and prosecute.

          I fear your view is shared by many others and we will see the state taking control of the press. NI has done nothing that is not already illegal under UK law.

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      • 63
        Ed Miliband says:

        (takes out onion) Sniff! I am moved to tearth! Every time a wicked Murdoch journalitht hackth a phone, a pixie dieth in Fairyland.

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      • 80
        Tessa Tickles says:

        The extremely upset Dowler family meet with Ed and.. he reduces the meeting to a vacuous self-publicity tweet.

        Classy.

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        • 91
          walk the lines says:

          it was only a warm up for when they meet dave – he’s really got the common touch

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      • 86
        The Dowelrod Family says:

        We are really impressed by that lovely Mr. Miliband, he really cares about us. It’s quite exciting being so famous and in the public eye like we are. If only Molly could see us now!

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      • 115
        Cat says:

        I don’t understand why everyone thinks it’s so much MORE ‘upsetting’ and ‘morally not the right thing to do’ to hack the phone of a dead kid or a dead soldier. Every bloody politician and wannabe commentator out there is trying to wear the same morally outraged cloak – it’s wearing a bit thin.

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    • 78
      nell says:

      I wonder whether NI are going to release the name of the person who gave them the info re: brown’s son about which he is being so hysterical at present?

      Very interesting if their source turns out to have been mcbride doing an opportunistic press release in order to cover up brown’s and twatson’s machinations to lever bliar out of his job, which is what they were doing at that point in time.

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    • 103
      Cry out loud says:

      Each Leader is trying to out do each other in being shocked and moved. If Dave meets them before PMQs then it’s going to be a very tearful and solemn half hour as Dave Nick and Ed ball their eyes out and their backbenchers unite in their grief.

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      • 118
        The Hubble Telescope says:

        The amount of hot air and faux outrage emminating from our Politicians can now be seen from space.

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  27. 48
    Confuchsias he says:

    Too many writers. Too little to write about.

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  28. 52
    the last quango in paris says:

    oh dear – the Police are not holding up well are they – they are being grilled and NI nowhere to be seen !

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    • 152
      Gene Hunt for Commissioner says:

      I watched Hayman’s evidence….and I was totally staggered that this guy actually ever held the rank of Asst Commissioner and not only that…but he actually was in charge at one time of counter-terrorism….!!!! I don’t think I was the only one who got the impression that we were involved in a repeat of “The Sweeney”…. At least Yates and Clarke sounded like Senior Police Officers and took the matter seriously

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      • 176
        Sir Robert Mark's ghost says:

        Yep and Hayman got to be Chief Constable of Norfolk. Unbelievable. “Allowed” to resign from MetPol after some trouble over an Amex Card and a female junior Officer.

        “Looked after” some say.

        Hayman was also the clown who put forward 90 days.

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  29. 57
    Stefan Davies says:

    If Hari was writing from a right wing perspective he would be history by now.

    I cannot imagine what the Orwell Prize committee is up to – it seems they are burying their heads in the sand & hoping that the Murdoch furore will eclipse this forever.

    Think again.

    The Orwell Prize becomes more of a laughing stock with each passing hour of inaction – & the Indy already is a laughing stock.

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  30. 65
    And Now For Something Completely Different says:

    How did we get off of the subject of phone hacking?

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    • 73
      A BBC Presenter says:

      Because my face is developing cramp from looking so serious when I want to cackle with glee.

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  31. 67
    Professor Sir Robert Winstons says:

    Listening to the slimy, pompous, self regarding, loathsome Keith Vaz on Radio Five Labour today is a truly ghastly experience.

    Cmon Murdoch wot shit can you dig up on Vaz!!

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  32. 71
    Sir William Waad says:

    All of which reminds me of the amusing story of the university student who, pressed for time, decided to use an internet ‘essay bank’ for the tedious and abstruse topic he had been sent. The tutor emailed it back with the comment “I wrote this essay in 1986. I thought it deserved an A+ then and I am pleased to give it one now.”

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  33. 72
    Thank God we are not at war says:

    Arrgh – Following a frindly-fire incident from the left (Broon’s intervention) which will in due course be found to be a disastrous intervention probably without the justification of facts, Teresa May now shafts her own side by giving full support for John Yates. She clearly should have SACKED HIM without compensation and with reduced pension. He has FAILED to do hi sjob properly, for which he is handsomely paidFor goodness sake, Cameron & Press Office GET A GRIP.

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    • 76
      Sir William Waad says:

      And alienate the police? They are already cross because of the police reforms and budget cuts, hence, probably, all these leaks to the Gruaniad and the BBC. Not a good time to poke them again with a different stick.

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      • 92
        Thank God we are not at war says:

        The police don’t decide the result of elections and incompetence at high level in the Met is clear to the general public. If May doesn’t get a set of (police) balls, its the Government who will suffer.

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        • 160
          Archer Karcher says:

          Ahhh, Theresa May, our very own special needs Home Secretary. Jaw droppingly stupid, to her very core.

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    • 82
      Actually says:

      I think you will find Yates did exactly what he was asked.

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    • 88
      Libya says:

      Aren’t we?

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    • 97
      walk the lines says:

      not just full support – she’s never happier than when she’s sitting on Johnny’s face

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  34. 74
    Anonymous says:

    Hari’s pc should be impounded by Operation Oar.

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  35. 77

    It was 1936. In the smokey Munich beer cellar, i saw him hunched on a bar stool by himself. Sipping a weak lager, and doodling on a cheap artists sketch pad. Some sort of symbol. An inverted triangle with curved sides.

    “Its for a flag i’m working on. A red background, I think.”

    I studded his long hair and Fu-Manchu mustache.. Why was this man the most talked about leader in Germany?

    “I think that’s the symbol for the United Federation of Planets,”I told him.
    “Ach!” he groaned and tore up the page. “I always make something that’s already been done.”
    “Yes” I replied. “That can happen. Try something mystical..Egyptian perhaps.”

    We chatted foe a while. I found his views on a new type of socialism quite enlightening. He spoke with a dull passion that was quite boring though.
    I arranged to meet again, after he’d given his imminent Nuremberg speech.
    But as I was leaving I offered him some advice.

    “You might want to trim your mustache. Maybe more like a Chaplin? And lose the sideburns? Oh..And wave your arms about a bit when you’re talking. It will make you more animated.”

    I don’t know if my advice helped him as I never heard anything about Adolf ever again.

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    Disco Stew says:

    I read until I got to the bit where he said “I think we should have more immigration and take more refugees” Where do lefties think we can house them and where do we get the employment from to give them jobs? I bet he wouldn’t say that if all the immigration over the last 13 years of Labour social engineering,had been journalists.The left…fucking hypocritical idiots.

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    • 101
      Johann Hari says:

      Yes, but immigration brings huge benefits. Getting a plumber round at the weekend used to cost a fortune, but now they’re dead-cheap. Mind you, they don’t speak very good English, not like the plumber I used years ago. Not sure what happened to him – he couldn’t get work, failed to pay his mortgage, got repossessed, divorced. I think he died in a ditch somewhere. A tragedy.

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  37. 96
    Moussa Koussa says:

    OH GOD !!!!!!

    I see the last thread, trying to shift blame for Browns Hacking on to Brown himself didn’t last very long…..surprise surprise

    Now back to Hari….Yawn. Please can we have a thread about Huhne, coz we haven’t had one for 6 hours.

    A thread about Hyena Boy being a total disaster would also be nice, but that would be asking too much from apologist Guido.

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    • 104
      L is for Labour, L is for Lies says:

      “trying to shift blame”

      It did shift the blame. Pretty conclusively.

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    • 107
      Jonah Strikes again says:

      That’s Gordon for you. He can’t even hack himself without f@+king it up.

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    • 110
      Sybil Fawlty says:

      The Gutless Party had 13 years to sort this out, but as usual ducked doing anything difficult in case they annoyed someone, in this case a newspaper.

      Spineless. If in doubt write a cheque or blame someone else

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    • 111
      Sandra says:

      So, Brown & his Government introduce 4,300 new criminal offences in 13 years, raid the pensions & savings of the current & unborn tax payers, bought in some of the most draconian legislation to spy on, imprison & harras the citizens of this country, start 6 or 7 wars – two of which were illegal, kill over 2 million foreignors with their ethical foreign policy, & you in your tribal numb nuts way want to know why his phone was hacked?

      It was an act of patriotism – when despots like Brown get out of control it is important to have a free press to bring them to heel.

      But you are not interested in a free press or a free country.

      Like all far left extremists you only want control & power.

      Enjoy this moment Moussa, & imagine what the tactical political genius of the Murdoch Empire is planning for the Labour Party – God knows he has the ammunition.

      You may go.

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        sockpuppet #4 says:

        I don’t quite get your logic there.
        All the things you mention could be found out with legitimate means.
        The NotW were pissing about trying to find out about his personal life.

        Now I’m sure your point is that a free press should be there to hold the government to account, and I agree fully. But I fear its actually there to sell pictures of tits.

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          Sophie says:

          Sockpuppet by name……

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          • sockpuppet #4 says:

            Stupid response. I am not affiliated to anyone.
            Can you come back and say anything intelligent at all?

            There are separate issues here. try and think about them without just saying stupid and knee jerk eh? Some clues for anyone who’s clueless.

            1) freedom of the press.
            2) the press holding politicians to account.
            3) illegal tactics
            4) bad taste, idiocy, and general fucking about by tabloids.

            They can exist with and without each other.

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    • 112
      Ex-Labour voter says:

      [Gordon Brown] said: “I was in tears. Your son is now going to be broadcast across the media. Sarah and I are incredibly upset about it.

      “We are thinking about his long-term future, we are thinking about our family, but there is nothing that you can do about it – you are in public life and this story appears, you don’t know how it’s appeared.”

      Said the very same one-eyed Scotch mentalist who broke the story to the media.

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      • 122
        Tax Payer says:

        What has a story in the Sun got to to with his “long term future”?

        And the lad seems fine now – why is McMental still upset 5 years later?

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      • 125
        Aesop o'Sardis says:

        Surely he cannot think that he can get away with this? Brown must be certifiably mentally incompetent. For the first time, I have a glimmer of pity for a man who is clearly bonkers. Is there nobody amongst his ‘supporters’ who can get him to save himself?

        Murdoch must have the evidence that will destroy him. I am hoping that he also has evidence on Blair because I have no sympathy for that evil bastard. I would love to see him in prison for life.

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    • 119
      Anonymous says:

      I do not believe in trolls.

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    • 129
      Alex says:

      Not really that complicated – the Sun ran their story about Brown’s son on 30/11/2006, and the guardian ran a similar story on 29/11/2011, i.e. the day before – figured I should be clear that the 29th November falls before the 30th November, as I know you’re a bit “special”

      Check the dates before claiming it’s untrue:

      http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2006/nov/29/politicalnews.uk

      http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/article73335.ece

      Not really much point in Guido or anyone else going on about it too much, as the facts speak for themselves.

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    • 131
      nell says:

      Well technically speaking he didn’t hack it himself of course just approved it.

      When the truth comes out, and it will because NI know who their source was, we shall find it it was most likely a press release from that chubby faced innocent gentle spin doctor of his called mcbride!

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    • 142
      Nick Robinson and the BBC says:

      Nick Robinson was blogging about baby Fraser on the BBC at 20:49 long before the Sun was even on sale.

      http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/nickrobinson/2006/11/not_despairing.html

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    Disco Stew says:

    And another thing,I bet 10 years ago he was all for multiculturism.

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  39. 108
    Ben Bradshaw says:

    Writing to Lord Chief Justice seeking explanation for Westcountry Judge Paul Darlow’s decision not to proceed with Gordon Brown hacking case

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    • 128
      Aesop o'Sardis says:

      Probably the same reason that Blair begged Brown not to do it. The whole New Labour evil lying machine will come tumbling down.

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    Steve Miliband says:

    Murdoch buys News Corp shares as they plummet. Is this the act of a man giving in? (Apart obviously from making a nice turn)

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  42. 134
    Moral Swamp says:

    Lord fucks sake now on SKY putting in his tuppence worth. This just gets funnier and funnier LOL

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    • 156
      Tax Payer says:

      There wasn’t this much outrage and venom from politicians over the various illegal wars Blair took us into. And people died in those.

      “Journalists dialled into loosely secure phones” – so what?

      Of course, this is all a proxy for a full-on fight between politicians, the media, and the police, which has been brewing for years.

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  43. 138
    Cato Street Conspirator says:

    Cameron, why don’t you resign and give Brown a ‘second chance’?

    Then we can give him anther effing kicking.

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  44. 139
    Chucky Yamomma says:

    Aren’t I most impressive and dashing?

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  45. 141
    Johann Hari says:

    I’m writing my first novel. It’s a murder mystery set on a luxury train where everyone’s a suspect. It’s called Death on the Oriental Express.

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    • 144
      The Real Johann Hari says:

      And I’m writing a study of the French Revloution as seen through the eyes of a Sun reporter. It’s called A Sale of Two Titties.

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  46. 155
    The Piss Soaked Tramp Formally Known As TAT! says:

    Another nail in the fat coke sniffing poofs coffin.

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    • 170
      walk the lines says:

      less of the class a drug references – dave gets a little anxious when he sees too many of those in the press

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  47. 157

    ‘Boutique Leftism’ new article on the hypocrisy of the left & similarities of Murdoch and the Unions http://t.co/ZZyB9QP

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  48. 168
    BoredNow says:

    Hopefully the first of many Socialist. Leftie, Liberal Pricks to fall….

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  49. 174
    Poor Bill says:

    “HARI m, Indian, Hinduism.

    Means “brown, yellow, tawny” in Sanskrit, and by extension “monkey”.

    I have looked for a ‘bio’ on this chap and on ‘Wicked-Devo-Yeh’ nothing.

    Has this chap got a family ? Is he one of the Norfolk Haris ? or one of the

    Cornish Haris.

    Not an, anti-British, anti-freeworld, anti-capitalist, ungreatful Eastern European Refugee ????

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  50. 175
    Anonymous says:

    Why do you hate this guy so much?

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    • 177
      Poor Bill says:

      Well the main problem is the lying.

      Yes we know most reporters (lie).

      However. When someone of a political leaning, (Marxist), starts lying. Well the alarm bells have to ring.

      When they first took over Russia they said they would create equality. (This they did by straving everyone into submission). (All starved all were poor)

      In Cambodia they said they could free all from the sackles of modern capitalistism.

      (They drove every one into the countryside and starved them ).

      (All starved, a million died)

      God bless the Vietman government for saving the last 2 million so from Uncle Karl’s killers

      The fact that this PSP (public school prick) looks harmless is neither here or there.

      He is a Bull-shiting, lying left-wing Marxist maggot. That’s it. Nuff said.

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      • 180
        Augustine says:

        Wait, where exactly as he ever shown himself to be a Marxist, exactly? He certainly has had bad things to say about the way it turned out in Russia.

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  51. 178
    Poor Bill says:

    Sorry if that upset you H.

    It’s political not personal !

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