July 8th, 2011

Oborne Flip Flops Again


Yesterday Peter Oborne in The Telegraph blasted Cameron for being in the sewer with Rebekah Brooks, Andy Coulson and James Murdoch. It was a terrific piece that Guido and everyone in the Westminster politico-media Village enjoyed immensely. Tim Montgomerie reminded us that it was just over a month ago that Oborne thought Cameron was on the verge of attaining “heroic status”.  Guido is second to none in admiration for Oborne, his books The Triumph of the Political Class and The Rise of Political Lying are the most compelling analyses of the failings of the British political class and client media. If he has a failing it is that he is a man who hopes for better and expects better of our political class, it is this that leads him to lavish praise on politicians whom he has high hopes for, thus he lauded praise on Cameron and then when Cameron, inevitably, disappointed him he turned and lashed him. When it comes to this hope and disappointment cycle he has previous.

At the begining of the Brown premiership when David Miliband mulled over a coup he wrote an article explaining Why none of them are fit to fill Gordon Brown’s shoes, in which he argued thatThe Labour Party’s only hope is to rally behind the man it idolised for so long when he was Chancellor”. Within a year he was warning of Brown’sHubris, hoopla and claims that were false, cynical and very, very dangerous“, calling Gordon Brown a cynical, dishonest liar. Quite a volte face.

Oborne gets into this situation because he wants to think the best of men, Guido on the other hand starts with the view that politicians are probably lying or crooked, or at least venal. This policy towards politicians makes for fewer about turns.


157 Comments

  1. 1
    That's News says:

    In truth, Mr Oborne is a bit of a twit? A weathervane kind of a guy.

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      Billy Bowden is the greatest arsewipe ever ! says:

      Come on aresewipe, let’s see you say something funny.

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        DR says:

        “Something funny” would be a first for you as indeed would something original ..

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          Cunt Face says:

          Leave Billy alone. This is a nice piece.

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          • Anonymous says:

            Why the fuck would anybody support Billy

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          • Gordon is a moron says:

            Cay son and Brooks/Wade were my bitches – don’t let that pansy sour then boys claim the credit

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          • No more scoops for you fatty. Coulson's getting arrested. Tell us how important Huhne is again? says:

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          • Her Majesty's Constabulary - Straightest bobbies in the world (7/7 was defo done by muzzies, right.) says:

            Times is hard. Special offer – 50p to suck off old man Murdoch’s two inch diseased schmekel. Deal?

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          • Only me says:

            I would expect tribal loyalty from a football fan.

            When you report politics, you expect swings and roundabouts.

            Dave is on a slide.

            One way ticket to Profumoville

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      Obornes ghost says:

      Oborne doesn’t write his own stuff, he pays someone else to do it for him.

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      Tony E says:

      The real truth about Murdoch and Oborne is that they are the same. Both very good at what they do, but followers of public opinion, not leaders.

      In the 1970’s, N.I. changed sides from what had been a Labour Paper to follow Thatcher when it was clear that the country was in ruins, and more socialism was going to cost Murdoch money – In 1991 he held ou t til the last minute when he and everyone realised that Kinnock was a busted flush (The Sun wot won it, My arse). In 1997 the same thing followed – he switched sides to back the most likely winner.

      Oborne is no different – if the country is in moral outrage he will ride its coat tails for another article or two, bashing the obvious subjects because politicians can’t really answer back when they are in office, and even if they do it does them little favours. His books were well written and good exposes, but his newspaper work is just knee jerk crap writen on the fly for easy cash.

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        Nemo says:

        In a sewer with Brooks and Coulson now that is a scary thought, they fought by the sword (OK the pen) so they die by the sword (pen)

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          lord asquith says:

          I honestly don’t see how this reflects badly on Cameron. He hired a man about whom there were rumours. You can’t not hire someone because of that. If there was any evidence it should have been a police matter.

          Even if Coulson had been arrested, convicted and served time, that would be no reason for Cameron not to hire him – if he believes in the possibility of redemption and rehabilitation.

          What a load of balls.

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    alcazar says:

    More to the point: Murdoch’s ass-covering statement where he admits negligence in the hush-money payouts may not work: check this, he and other directors are liable for prosecution: http://j.mp/ps4QDh – when can we expect the Board of Directors to be arrested?

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    Anonymous says:

    Seems like a pretty simple case of admiring someone then watching them fall down over a spectacular failure of judgement. How is this a flip flop?? Oborne clearly admires Cameron but to say he is in the sewer right now is just a statement of fact.

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      Jimmy says:

      Now this, on the other hand…

      “As the phone “hacking” saga gets its debate in the House, and now a Standards and Privileges Committee investigation, new levels of hysteria have been reached. …

      Given journalists left, right and centre are openly admitting, sometimes live on TV, that the practice of listening to other people’s answer-phone messages was widespread, you must wonder how papers like the Observer and the Mirror are justifying their Coulson onslaught.”

      [ordure ordure 9/9/10]

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    Tachybaptus says:

    So Oborne hurls himself on to the heap of casualties: the NOTW already dead; Coulson about to be; Brooks also; Cameron badly wounded; the Guardian soon to be attacked in revenge, probably fatally; Murdoch blasting chunks out of the BBC but it will survive; Murdoch trawling up dirt about Labour; and much more to come.

    It will be far more fun than the usual silly season stuff about rescuing horses from trees.

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    Herodotus says:

    Guido has hit the nail on the head re Oborne. A decent man who likes to think the best of people and when they fail takes it very personally. You would have thought he’d been knocked back so many times by so many politicians – liars to the core – that he would have learnt something. But no. Who is going to tell him?

    By the way remind me someone if, when Cameron employed Coulson initially, there was any public knowledge of phone-hacking by the apparently now defunct NoW. If not then surely Cameron was not at fault. He was at fault for not ditching Coulson sooner though that could be interpreted as showing loyalty which is a rare thing indeed in politics.

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      14 May 2010
      Andy Coulson, the Conservatives’ director of communications and strategy and controversial former editor of the News of the World , has been appointed the director of communications at No 10 Downing Street.

      Andy Coulson resigned as News of the World editor in 2007 after the newspaper’s royal reporter, Clive Goodman, was jailed for conspiracy for writing stories about Princes William and Harry based on illegal phone interceptions.

      Hope that helps. Dave was taking a big risk Many of us thought so. But New Labour were terrified of Coulson and Alistair Campbell was being bought out of semi-retirement. Tories needed a big hitter. And it worked. For a bit.

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        not a machine says:

        and Cambel returns and NI gets thrown to wall , but agree with your analysis

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        Who knew says:

        At the time, most seemed to think that Coulson was a good appointment as somebody who could get at the failing Labour government in a way that Campbell got at Major.

        What Cameron and most people around him didn’t realise, was that just because he had had to walk from the NotW and was cleared of criminal wrong-doing, that it wasn’t the end of it. He got off because Labour was helping NI limit the damage at the time. But he soon had a great big bullseye on his back for Liebour, BBC and Guardian to aim at now he was working for the evil Tories and after NI changed sides.

        Cameron’ s biggest mistake was not seeing the impending war for control of information that was about to be played out between NI and the BBC/left-wing media and the witchunt of NI by the BBC. As a bonus the left could drag Cameron’s name thorugh the mud by association with Coulson.

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      minusthree says:

      Herodotus, re: Oborne, I believe he merely sniffed the wind (as he has before, hat-tip Guido) and saw the opportunity to vocalize the public mood. I believe this is “tart” journalism aimed at self-aggrandisement -pure and simple.

      The amount of praise he got on the Telegraph blogsite by people who obviously love their tummy tickled was incredible. But his article gave us no extra insight to the affair, and served only to allow people to relish their own self-righteousness.

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    Rich Smith says:

    You’re such a Cameron fan boy.

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      sergei sukmiov says:

      we all are.

      dave – tony made it look so easy, but it’s quite tricky for a tosser like me – cameron has performed magnificently in his time as prime minister. his record of achievement – particularly honouring all those pre-election commitments and displaying such sound judgement is unparalleled.

      let’s hope that the strain of having a young family doesn’t mean that he decides that he needs to spend more time with them.

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    Brill Yo says:

    On This Week earlier, they discussed the NOTW scandal and they said Brown has harboured a deep grudge against NI since they stopped supporting Labour when he became leader. Nick Watt said Brown apparently believes if he’d dealt with the NI hacking 2 years ago, he’d still be prime minister. Brillo said “I’m sure he dreams about that every night”. :-D

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      genghiz the khan says:

      Gordon Brown: I’d still be PM if hacking claims had been aired earlier.

      http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/wintour-and-watt/2011/jul/08/gordon-brown-davidcameron?INTCMP=SRCH

      Is the Hunt still under the impression he is Prime Mentalist of Great Britain and Northern Ireland?

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        labourunionsbbc we are one says:

        That’s not the half of it, he still thinks financial gurus throughout the world hang on his every world, oh and he is head of the IMF.

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        Lady Virginia Droit de Seigneur says:

        He’s completely delusional. If the claims were investigated properly when they were first made a lot of the shit would have stuck to Blair and by extension Brown. It is also inconceivable Cameron would have appointed Coulson.

        He really does need to be sectioned.

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          Nemo says:

          That is true, Bliar regularly went to the US to recieve his orders, in turn maybe he probably told NSY to go lightly on the Empire

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    Lord Flashman says:

    The key question is when did News International publications start bribing police officers? This is key because if it was five years ago then Murdoch may have been ignorant. However, if it was ten years ago then Murdoch cannot go for the Manuel defence ‘I know nothing, I know nothing’. It will simply not stand up in court that the owner of “the largest selling News Paper in the Western World” did not know about the unlawful and corrupt practices his company was engaged in. If News International publications had been systematically bribing police officers for fifteen years or more, then any kind of defence evaporates. So when did the NoW start its campaign for Spanish holiday homes for bent coppers? If it was fifteen years ago we are talking Stuart Higgins, Piers Morgan and Phil Hall in the frame not just Wade and Coulson.

    On a lighter note visited the local news agents this morning – big pile of unsold copies of the Sun, so I asked the newsagent how many he had sold. The answer came “not one” and normally? I asked. “All of them” he said, with a grin.

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      not a machine says:

      i think Dame Shirely williams said bribeing the police was done in the 60s , only a fiver then , now its 30k at macdonalds ,that is happy meal

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        John Bellingham says:

        How far up did the bungs go?
        If the last investigation into phone hacking and the investigation into cash for honours petered out, someone pretty high must have got his share of garters and bubbly—or maybe an early knighthood.

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        Nemo says:

        Now that is what I call inflation!

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      Anonymous says:

      Lord Flash, the last para of yours leads me to think that many “local news agents” may well be seeing a downturn in turnover that could tip them into insolvency.
      Wonder why this one had a grin on his face when making the remark.

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    Labour hypocrisy strikes again says:

    It’s hilarious how Labour are frantically trying to rewrite history by claiming they weren’t that close to Murdoch. Who can forget Blair flying across the world to Australia just to have dinner with the dirty digger? Brooks and Murdoch were at No10 so often during Labour’s 13 years they practically had their own offices there. There were no calls for an inquiry from the likes of Watson. The Murdoch papers had carte blanche to do as they pleased as long as they supported Labour. I’m certain they knew the gravity of NI’s crimes and stayed silent.

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    Lord Lavender et al. says:

    I see nowt wrong with taking top pols failure to deliver personally.

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    Gordon Brown says:

    I refuse to change my pampers.

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    Weather Girl says:

    Maybe. I used to think the best in politicians but now see them mainly as self serving vermin.
    David Cameron, I have some sympathy for, as he is in power when the country is practically on its knees and Labour is to blame. If Labour were still in power it would be a case of one more shove from them and we are face down on the ground or worse in the gutter.
    I believe the Tories are trying to turn this country around but are constantly being bombarded by giant hailstones in a storm. A storm of past Labour failings, self interested unions and strikes, grasping students and demos. Further, The Co government has to deal with a stormy global economic climate with global commodity price inflation, banking problems, failing economies in Europe, bail out after bail out. Plus the co-government has to weather complex domestic problems, inflation, fuel tax, vat, to name but a few. Turning this country around is a monumental task. I hope the government can weather the storm.

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    RUPERT MUDCOCK says:

    CaMoron is a waste of space
    and i for one am sorry i wasted my vote on this waster !

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    not a machine says:

    Oborne flip flops , I might agree an unusual close together articles , I think I place him in the spectacular section of journalism , when he gets it right hes very readable , when he gets it wrong ,well its like wearing tweed to evening do in summer .
    I am still rather astonished at labours full on swipe at News International and them placing the rot as being somewhere else , “it was nae us” , I dont think anyone can defend the recent revelations that some journos really are sewer stuff , but things seemed to get a little twisted later on , is it really the place of Alan johnson (former home sec) to call for Rebekas head on a plate , she works for a private sector company ,and has not been charged yet , even then if the law does charge her , is it not up her boss to sack her ,or is alan still thinking we live in a communist system ?.
    Although on QT Hughe Grant delivered what i thought needed to be said that Labour have been schmoosing Murdoch jnr , he had a go at grayling , but his delivery at naming wee dougie (QT classic moment)at said drinks party only 2 weeks ago must have confirmed somthing with the public , the later bluffing by Alan Johnson that he had the report on his desk in 2009 but did nothing as election was on reveals a little about how serious being in bed with the media is .
    Its now moved a little to wanting to scrap the PCC , quite why labour are now having a blitzkrieg on Murdoch and coulson may reflect there own dire fortunes more than the press , subtle politics would have just gone down the route of sorting the PCC , the masters of spin destroy there own creation whiffs of bitterness or one hell of a political gamble , as come election time all the resturants will be booked with politicos,media and PR trying to get stories through.
    guest list for sept 8th QT was said to be David Milliband , (you know nice boy that was robbed at school prom) , so perhaps it could all blow back on ed , as labour have been making some fantasies up today.

    As for last paragraph of post , I perhaps remember an era when you used to find poltician did not play so fast and loose with the truth , if my fault is still believing this to be the case , I cannot really defend that . It was just that more I watched the ruin and his party , non answers and concocted toxic spin ,the more I did come believe parliament had become corrupt , full of as you say crooks and venal personailities .I expected the conservatives to at least not be wanting to get aboard the same gravy train ,as had become custom with the new spin era and its subsequent abuse of the UK , so far they have had a few problems , spluttered into somthing decent occasionally post election, but they are getting on with some jobs nicley considering the dire circumstances , if coalition lasts we will know in a few years , if it is just another load of the same as before , we at least will be able to vote . besides I dont think we have yet seen the end of the financial crisis , or at least far enough away from it .
    as for loss of bombardier contract to siemens and 1500 decent jobs, i wonder if vince ever could go eurosceptic , but the Eu has been doing this to our country for years , so the crooks were in brussles as well , and Tony Blair offered himself for top job , I dont know why we lock up robbers with guns ,when we cannot seem to do the same to the robbers of british jobs posing in nice suites in nice lifestyles that we subsidise , erm venal perhaps you do have case fawkes.

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    Gordon Brown says:

    I am the Terminator.

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    Mrs Faye Merritt says:

    With reference to the self-praise by Guido Fawkes in the above piece, am I right in thinking that order-order.com has ignored the phone hacking/NOTW/Coulson story for several years (while the Guardian has been plainly setting out all the facts) and has only recently jumped on the bandwagon now that everyone else has?

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      The Piss Soaked Tramp Formally Known As TAT! says:

      When is the Guardian going to admit to dodging taxes?

      Let thee without sin cast the first stone and all…..

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        smoggie says:

        When is the Guardian going to explain how it came into the possession of information that has eluded the police for years?

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      A butcher says:

      Madam, your comment is rather like your name – of little “merrit”

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    Gordon Brown says:

    I suppose I should just be glad that Brooks didn’t report about my sham marriage and my taste for Wimbledon Common cock in the 80’s.

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    Mrs Faye Merritt says:

    Has Oborne written something nice about Vince Cable? In hindsight we can all see that Vince was prescient when he said in December ( to people he thought were his constituents) about Mr Murdoch ” …..for the people who know what is happening, this is a big thing. His whole empire is now under attack. “

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    Mrs Faye Merritt says:

    In the case of Sheridan versus NewsInternational:
    Wouldn’t it be funny if after T. Sheridan was jailed for telling lies in court, Mr Coulson was also jailed for telling lies in the same case in evidence against Mr Sheridan, and Mr Sheridan was then let out?

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    Johann Hari says:

    A good time to sneak out my exclusive interview with the Teletubbies.

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      not a machine says:

      I strolled past the large bunnies towards the eco mound , the furniture looked rather spartan ,but as luck would have it I could smell the whiff of tubby toast and knew at least a good meal would be on. PO looked rather fetching in is red boils suite an as we got talking he told me he had been milliner to beatrice at the recent royal wedding .Eventually Dipsey and la La came in clean , dipsey having some sort of tiff that catholic adoption agencies should be totally banned , and i found myself in perfect tune with Dipseys rights message and his love of kylie and supermarket sweep .La La was a little quite , but clearly a great intellect ,although he hid it from the others by , laying down on the floor as soon as the windmill got going and doing a nice media presentation on his belly of children enjoying a trip to the shops , but he didnt have me fooled , clearly a political colluses , we had so much in common .
      the day wore on eventually the sun baby appeared , chortled and we said our tubby bye byes ,I left knowing that they had finaly made communism work without the need for austere parents to be present , ed should watch these youngsetrs closely they have the vison he can deliver to the country.

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      The Underdoug says:

      A work of fiction known as the “Po-side-on adventure”

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      Cato Street Conspirator says:

      We haven’t forgotten about you. Now wait in the corridor until we’ve sorted out this NOTW business. And keep away from that keyboard.

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    mitch says:

    I’m guessing that we will have new and terrible legislation on the back of this where Journos take the blame and Mps and some celebs get a nice legal hole to hide in.

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      Nemo says:

      Makes you wonder how the journos manage to get stories on miscreants and Mr plod seems to be plodding or asking who did it.

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    Grumpy Old Man says:

    “If he has a failing it is that he is a man who hopes for better and expects better of our political class, it is this that leads him to lavish praise on politicians whom he has high hopes for, thus he lauded praise on Cameron and then when Cameron, inevitably, disappointed him he turned and lashed him.”

    Nothing like Polly’s unrequited love affair and subsequent repudiation of Gordo then. There are no parallels, and the idea that both journos were made to look complete wallies for the same reasons doesn’t hold water.

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    albacore says:

    You are a funny guy, Fawkes.
    When all’s said and done, of what use are media that have either connived with or been impotent to expose and sterilize the toxic Parliaments we’ve ended up with?
    There’s more chance of The Beano lighting the blue touch paper under the Houses of Ill Repute than all of the press and broadcasters combined.

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      Sir Everard Digby says:

      Quite agree. There is also no chance of Murdoch appearing in the dock as some believe. Why?

      Witness the Maxwell pensions theft scandal and the Guinness share scandal in 1986. What happened? No case was ever brought against the Maxwell clan and the only person jailed over the Guinness share price manipulation had his sentence because he was showing the symptoms of Alzheimer’s..Strangely,upon his release,he became the only person to make a recovery from the disease.

      We may well have stirred up the mud in the pond but it will settle down again. The political/media/business bottom feeders will then continue to fleece us.

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    Down With Brown! says:

    Oborne’s trade is exageration. However, I can understand why those who supported Cameron a few months ago are now crashingly disappointed. The man is becoming more and more like Bliar.

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    Uncle Oinker says:

    Oborne was spectacularly wrong in his first article, but wholly correct in the second. However, it isn’t necessary to be a Telegraph pundit to realise that anyone (Thatcher, Blair, Brown, Cameron, Milliband et al) who worships at the feet of the vile Murdoch and his disgusting minions is tainted beyond all redemption.

    The way things are going, the “adoration of Guido” is likely to be more rewarding than bending the knee to a bunch of criminals running ersatz newspapers devoid of interest, style, content, scruple or truth.

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    Cato Street Conspirator says:

    ‘Oborne gets into this situation because he wants to think the best of men, Guido on the other hand starts with the view that politicians are probably lying or crooked, or at least venal.’

    And the result – Mr Oborne is by far the most interesting writer; but Mr Fawkes is more often shown to be right.

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    Eamonn U Ensis says:

    The BBC is in high hypocricy mode already this morning and ecstatically anticipating the arrest of “Daves” friends later to-day….they have already started early in asking the question as their first news item “What does this tell us about Mr Cameron’s judgement ?” with the OBs outside “NoW HQ and Gary Donoghue in the studio at 6am this morning on ..the “developing crisis for the government”…………….

    No doubt the campaign to link Cameron will continue apace during the day….all in the interests of public broadcasting you understand…..there will naturally be no mention of any Labour connections to News Corp cos’ everyone knows that Labour would never countenance such relationships……………………

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      Politicians are CUNTS says:

      I hate the BBC but it doesn’t mean that Cameron is not in the mix

      It’s always funny when tories don’t/ can’t see what’s in front of them

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      Cato Street Conspirator says:

      A bit touchy aren’t we Eamonn? Anyone would think you are some sort of Cameron worshipper.

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        Eamonn U Ensis says:

        Nope just a BBC hater…..and certainly far from being a “Dave” worshipper as you’d know if you’d read my posts..all politicians have little to be proud of as they’ve allowed this situation to develop by turning a convenient blind eye to it for decades……PS get ready for the re-launch of the brand new and exciting ..”News on Sunday” in August……………

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    Glenda Slag says:

    Oborne gets into this situation because he’s a tit, pure and simple. When he wrote for the Spectator you could use him as a 100% reliable pundit – so long as you concluded the precise opposite of whatever absurdity he was arguing

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    Rat's arse says:

    It has sickened me to see fat Prescott, who brought his Office into disrepute by sh@gging that Templeton woman when he should have been working, taking the moral high ground. He hung on to his job and brazened it out, like so many Leiber MPs and now they have the gall to act piously and pretend they never did anything under-handed! I hope that all their dirty little secrets come out now and then people can see for themselves what total hypocrites they are [even the thicko Leiber voters might realise what tw@ts Leiber are] – but I doubt it!

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      50 Calibre says:

      Prescott has got more cheek than his own fat arse appearing in public, given his previous. I doubt anyone with more than one brain cell actually listens to his breathless outbursts let alone takes any notice of his dysfunctional ramblings. Just remember who appointed him deputy Prime Minister and kept him in that office for years. You couldn’t make it up…

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      Cato Street Conspirator says:

      Politician a hypocrite shock, read all about it.

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    Anonymous says:

    The BBC and other left wing press are so busy gloating about the closure of the NOTW (which they mistakenly think makes them winners in this political game), that they simply don’t seem to see Murdoch’s long term strategy (or Cameron’s for that matter).

    As I’ve said on Robinson’s blog, Murdoch and Cameron are both playing the long-game, but the left wing are too stupid to see it.

    By depicting the NOTW as a victim that they (the left wing) managed to destroy, they’re doing everything that Murdoch and Cameron want them to do.

    Here’s how it’ll play out:

    1. The BSkyB deal will take a backseat for a few months.

    2. The right wing press will be seen (in the ignorant/arrogant left wing press) to have been chastised and cleaned-up.

    3. The inquiries will find that all papers (including the Guardian) used similar tactics to what the NOTW did and that the whole of the press, including the left-wing, is/was equally corrupt/amoral. They’ll find that News International has already done it’s “cleaning up” (thanks to the witch hunt by the left), and it’s only left-wing corruption/hypocrisy that’ll be left to report.

    4. The left wing press will be seen to have always acted hypocritically, pretending to take the moral highground when in fact their processes are just as bad as (if not worse than) the right wing press.

    5. The BSkyB deal with then go through, as the right wing press is seen to have been “cleaned” and the left-wing press was just as bad anyway.

    6. News International will gain full control of BSkyB and tear labour and all the Guardianistas a new arse. It’ll be all-out war from Murdoch; he’ll destroy what little credibility the left wing had remaining.

    7. In 2015, Cameron will get back into power with a massive majority as the labour machine and the BBC/Guardian media arms of the labour party will have had all its credibility completely destroyed.

    There will be sacrificial lambs along the way (Coulson, Brooks) who are currently being used as pawns by both the left and the right (and by Murdoch), but the overall long term strategy by News International, and Cameron, will win-out in the end.

    Cameron and Murdoch have different reasons for their respective strategies, and Murdoch’s strategy is longer-term than Camerons (cameron’s strategy is for 2015, Murdoch’s is for the next 30 years), but the medium term result around 2015 will satisfy both Murdoch and Cameron immensely.

    The left wing gloating will be short-lived; within 18 months the left wing will be absolutely annihilated, and I’ll enjoy watching the complete disbelief and shock on their faces as they see that they never really understood anything at all about what was really happening and as they realise that they’d played straight into the hands of Murdoch and Cameron all along.

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      Grumpy Old Man says:

      Like wot you said.

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      smoggie says:

      Well now that will all change, now you’ve given the let the cat out of the bag.

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      George Barnaby says:

      infantilism

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      labourunionsbbc we are one says:

      What you say could well be right, Anonymous, but I also think you should never underestimate the power and reach of the B-bbc and the collective will of the education establishment, they both are also in it for the long run. and both of which have a far greater potential hold on the minds of folk than NI.

      Unless Dave, through the agency of the self satisfied EUSSR man paton, gets to grips with the B-bbc soon (the education system will take forever to change, if at all) then I don’t see your theory working out so well.

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    • 88
      Cato Street Conspirator says:

      There’s nothing funny than someone writing the obvious as if it is some unique insight. That’s what you’re doing Anonymous. To be brief: We effing know that.

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    • 89
      sergei sukmiov says:

      murdoch – or his business – will certainly be thriving in 2015. nice try at being positive, but i wouldn’t put money on cameron being around.

      he has always been dismal and people now recognise it. if he wants support from anyone – murdoch included, he’ll need to perform.

      useful idiots are only kept on if they’re useful

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    • 100
      Aunt Hilda says:

      good analysis Anon…..quite spectacularly short sighted to hear the gloating and happy clapping at the NI problems…listening to the Beeb this morning and scum like Bryant pontificating on the fit and proper mantra so hypocritical it beggars belief.

      I think closing the NOTW is a masterly stroke and it is only a matter of time b4 the dubious tactics the papers have used for years come to light… the delicious prospect of much squirming in the proprietor’s trouser departments beckons.

      Labour’s toadying up to NI was famous…transparent and will come back to haunt them..not least for the boy milliband who thinks he looks good calling cameron to account for things occuring during labour’s tenure.

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      • 117
        Notional Enquirer says:

        by closing the NOTW not only are employment laws broken but all sorts of others. This action serves a s a deflection from the real aim of NI – universal media domination – all the bad news, I mean evidence, from the NOTW will be buried, I mean shredded, before any charges are brought and NI escape to live another day – all in the name of making a profit – it’s primitive yet classical hedonism, I mean capitalism, at work. Bugger what’s right or wrong, let’s just make as much money as we can BOOM BOOM

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    • 150
      Mrs Faye Merritt says:

      “By depicting the NOTW as a victim that they (the left wing) managed to destroy”

      What total nonsense. Obviously the NOTW was destroyed by its own staff and finally put to rest by Murdoch himself.

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  32. 68
    cheche says:

    If all this was known years ago who or what blocked a further enquiry and why

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    • 74
      nell says:

      +1

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    • 90
      Anonymous says:

      aha; and therein lies the best part of the whole story; Miliband and his labour/lefty mates will be shown in the inquiries to have known about this all along but that they’d deliberately hidden it for their own political reasons.
      Miliband’s credibility (and all his lefty MP mates) will be totally trashed, even in the eyes of the “I’d vote labour even if they ripped off my leg and pissed on my stump” northern voters.

      The left are gloating now, but once the inquiries get going they’re not going to know what hit them. It’s going to be great fun to watch people like Miliband squirm when it becomes clear to everyone, even their own voters, that they knew about this all along but deliberately hid it and refused an inquiry when they were in charge purely because Murdoch was backing them at the time.

      The “we allowed the journos to hack dead soldiers’ phones and we forced the police investigation off-track because those journos were supporting our party in their papers” angle isn’t going to make Ed very happy when it comes up.

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    • 91
      Cato Street Conspirator says:

      Because the time is right. (And the Old Bill want to divert attention from themselves).

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  33. 70
    Rebekah Brooks says:

    I wonder if Peter would like to work for me…

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  34. 73
    Sometimes even Tom can be right says:

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  35. 76
    labourunionsbbc we are one says:

    So, with the collusion of the B-bbc rusianberger, watson and underpants get their man, the casualties are the workers at NotW; but they are a small price to pay for their victory because, just like Mao’s Great Leap Forward, in the mind of the left the end always justifies the means.

    And, now it’s probably war between the Murdoc empire and the B-bbc, will our ball’s less PM tell his bloated EUSSR yes man paton to sort out the treacherous B-bbc?

    And what of the coward from Killcardy, who hasn’t got the guts to do any work in the HoC, yet it seems is working away at bringing down the man he blames for ruining his election chances, will someone in high office call for his resignation?

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  36. 79
    Poor Gordon. He broods and festers in his Scotch Hideaway says:

    Gordon Brown: I’d still be PM if hacking claims had been aired earlier

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/wintour-and-watt/2011/jul/08/gordon-brown-davidcameron

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  37. 80
    Cameron is a Cunt says:

    if Oborne is a twat, what does that make Cameron?

    yes, that’s right

    a c-u-n-t

    two sides of the same ‘penny’

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  38. 84
    Anonymous says:

    “Guido on the other hand starts with the view that politicians are probably lying or crooked, or at least venereal”

    Really …. do tell.

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  39. 96
    Simontm says:

    Yo Guido, your favourite hack, Michael White, obviously still reads you. He’s just mentioned the domain registration on BBC Breakfast

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  40. 97
    RUPERT MUDCOCK says:

    Little Ed steals Call me useless’s thunder Yet Again , by holding his press conference at 8.00am while Dave’s isn’t till 9.30 am
    ha ha ha ha !

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    • 102
      Proverbs 18:17 says:

      The man who first puts his cause before the judge seems to be in the right; but then his neighbour comes and puts his cause in its true light.

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    • 108
      Aunt Hilda says:

      the boy couldn’t steal a winegum…just listen to Nick Robinson on the beed…’ed milband has come of age this week’..gloat away nick you nauseating pseudo commentator

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    • 122
      sergei sukmiov says:

      dave needs his beauty sleep and he couldn’t appear any earlier, as his hairdresser is booked for 8.30.

      he likes to look his best for his public

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  41. 105
    Andy Pandy says:

    Coulson’s due to be arrested this morning. Any word on when exactly?

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    • 113
      Old Bill says:

      Meet me at Wapping McDonalds with one brown envelope stuffed with £2k in unmarked notes Mr Pandy.

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  42. 106
    RUPERT MUDCOCK says:

    Little Ed is declaring that each party should shoulder half of the blame
    one thing is clear
    It is Murdoch who decides who runs this country , whoever has his backing usually wins
    it’s no wonder that politicians suck up to him
    it’s also clear that Rebekah Brook is right at the heart of all this
    Someone on the box last night said
    When she was summoned before the enquiry in 2006 she ignored all attempts to get her there
    when pressure was put on her
    it was said she replied “You force me to attend and i’ll destroy your lives”
    days later she “outed Chris Bryant”

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  43. 114
    Sky News has hot presenters says:

    World class hypocrite Miliwank is holding press conference. I hope some of the journalists ask about Labour’s cosy relationship with Murdoch.

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    • 123
      Aunt Hilda says:

      I would imagine there are many editors racking their little brains to remember or forget where the skeletons are …. and very probably praying their reporters avoid many avenues of questioning to stop the spotlight reflecting on their own efforts to get information.

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    • 139
      RUPERT MUDCOCK says:

      So cosy that he backed the tories at the election ?

      Ddoesn’t that James Murdoch talk funny ?

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    • 140
      RUPERT MUDCOCK says:

      So cosy that he backed the tories at the election ?

      Doesn’t that James Murdoch talk funny ?

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  44. 116
    Jess The Dog says:

    I think Cameron hired Coulson in spite of rumours because he – like most politicians – knew that most of the tabloids were ‘at it’.

    The Guardian is mostly whiter-than-white, the Telegraph not too bad except for the idiotic attempt to stitch up Vince Cable. The Times, on the other hand…. hmmm. After what went on with Ashcroft?

    Andy Coulson, Piers Morgan, Alastair Campbell, Tom Baldwin are all cut from the same cloth.

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    • 127
      The Whore's Gazette, special edition says:

      Good point, however what Cameron almost certainly did not realise was the industrial scale NI was doing on. The latest estimate is 4000, that is about 3 every day of the year over the period of Mulcaire.

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  45. 119
    Voice of Treason says:

    Okay so the guy changed his mind after the lies have been revealed. He’s not the only one! Cameron has been remarkable by his silence on this grave matter. He is every bit as bad as any of them when it comes to snogging (metaphorically) Murdoch and his foul empire.

    Rebecca the twat – well, does she bend over backwards to please her masters or does she bend over forwards? Either way there’s something very odd here and no doubt she has something over the Murdochs which they are frightened she will reveal if sacked.

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  46. 120
    The Whore's Gazette, special edition says:

    Bryant at a parliament committee meeting in 2003 was by Brooks that they paid police. They did nothing to follow it up. Was that because Bliar and big gob were friends with rebeka?

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    • 128
      I don't need no doctor says:

      Another example of labours sickening hypocrisy.

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    • 151
      Mrs Faye Merritt says:

      Did the conservatives call for labour to follow it up? No of course not

      Same with the banks : you tories blame labour for failing to regulate and yet all the time the conservatives (that means YOU) were calling for “less red tape” like a broken record

      Same with the Iraq war – Labour led the country into a disaster egged on by the hapless opposition of the conservative benches and their gormless supporters.

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  47. 121
    Anonymous says:

    What’s been goimg on inside the MET is an even bigger story than NOTW but at least Brown had enough good judgement not to put a Coulson into the very heart of Government.Nice one dave!

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    • 131
      The Whore's Gazette, special edition says:

      No he put Ball’s up Balls, Miliband and other special financial advisor’s. At least NI did not wreck the U.K. economy.

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    • 144
      Grumpy Old Man says:

      Brown had Campbell. Coulson is a child by comparison.

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      • 146
        The Whore's Gazette, special edition says:

        Slight correction it was Blair, but good point what did Campbell do; oh! produced a dodgy sexed up dossier that Blair took to Parliament to start an illegal war. I agree Coulson’s skeletons are mild by comparison.

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    • 152
      Mrs Faye Merritt says:

      At last, someone sees the truth of the matter.

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  48. 123
    I don't need no doctor says:

    What’s the point in telling someone that their phone might have been hacked? There is so much hype and innuendo about what has happened that it risks turning the whole episode into a farce.
    It is also impossible to believe that only the NOW has been hacking phones.
    I see Ed Miliband, Tom Watson, Chris Bryant et al are still feigning sincerety. Sickening to watch.

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  49. 125
    Anonymous says:

    Oborne now seems to be reading dave correctly.Welcome to the fast expanding club Peter.

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  50. 135
    RUPERT MUDCOCK says:

    Even Max (Thanks a million Rebekah) Clifford are all rushing to defend her !
    What hold does she have over these people ?

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  51. 147
    Dave says:

    These aren’t actually flip-flops.

    Oborne says that Call-Me-Dave was on the verge of greatness. If your reading comprehension is above that of a state-educated 7 year old, you will understand that being “on the verge” of an achievement in no way precludes the possibility that you may fnck everything up and end up with nothing.

    Similarly, the comments on Brown are not mutually exclusive. It’s completely feasible to believe that Brown is, by far, the best possible Labour leader and to believe that he’s a demented incompetent. Be truthful: if you look at the Milipedes or Balls or even Harriet, can you honestly say you think they’re better and more competent than Mad Gordon Brown?

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