June 22nd, 2011

Exclusive: Cam Rage Consultant On Permanent Leave

The consultant who flipped a switch when he saw Cameron, Clegg and Lansley in his ward with a camera crew who had not rolled up their sleeves, despite being told they did not have to by other staff, has been put on permanent leave by St Thomas’s Hospital Trust. A memo sent to staff on the 17th and seen by Guido explains lines to take regarding Dr David Nunn:

“Mr Nunn has requested leave. It would be inappropriate to comment further. At this stage we do not know when Mr Nunn will return to the Trust. Staff should be aware that media may phone without identifying themselves as media. It is imperative staff not answer any questions or provide information or personal opinions. If unsure, always decline to comment and terminate the phone call.”


UPDATE: More details from the memo:

“For any requests for additional information or details about Tuesday’s incident, staff should always say:

I’m sorry, I’m not in a position to comment on that.

For any questions/approaches from media:

I’m sorry, I’m not in a position to comment on that.”

The Trust seem highly embarassed and went to great lengths to see the story shut down. Guido’s sources seem pretty sure Mr Nunn won’t be coming back anytime soon…


  1. 1
    Billy Bowden is the greatest umpire ever ! says:

    Another pilgrim?

    • 2
      Anonymous says:

      Another NHS cut

    • 4
      Tax Payer says:

      Did he jump or was he pushed?

      TBH he seemed a bit un-hinged. OK, he had a point, but seemed to lose the plot when making it.

      • 32
        sockpuppet #4 says:

        he’s a bit of a “letter writer” I believe.

        He’s apparently been pissed off about all sorts of things, including the hygene rules.

      • 39
        Anon says:

        BUT did he have a point …. was any health risk created by havng unrolled sleeves

        …….. and is he on Paid Leave

        …. He seemed to be really rude

        ……. shouldn’t he subject to disciplinary proceedings for his behaviour in front of the National cameras

        • 61
          Osama the Nazarene says:

          There may or may not have been a health risk, fact is that he was maintaining standards, taking a zero tolerance approach. Cameron immediately acquiesced knowing Nunn was right.

          Remains to be seen which lazy people permitted the crew to enter with long sleeves and ties, though WE will never find out. Cameron and Lansley had removed theirs.

          Hospital suffered embarrassment, so what?

          Is it Cam who has a streak of the Cosa Nostra about him or the embarrassed bureaucrats who run Guys & Tommies?

          • Hugh Janus says:

            Quite so O t N, and does the NHS have so many specialists with high standards that they can afford to push one out on extended leave?

            (I suppose the answer to that one is: “No, but we are going to do it anyway because he rained on our parade.”)

          • Osama the Nazarene says:

            khaa2091 @145 below has a more knowledgable take on the Consultant’s “outburst”.

            Still doesn’t show the hospital bureaucrats in a good light, ignoring their own rules for some cheap propaganda!

          • Mjolinir says:

            @ Osama- //which lazy people permitted the crew to enter with long sleeves and ties //

            The evidence ‘points to’ – the Ward Sister, who according to news items at the time – was asked by the PM what ‘precautions’ he and the crew should take, and complied with her advice??

          • bloody patients cluttering up the place says:

            Cameron could take no other action than to acquiesce to Nunn’s demands.

            However NHS consultants are totally up themselves and this Nunn bloke in particular thinks he’s god. The NHS has always been run for the benefit of consultants, not patients.

            It’s about time a consultant was made an example of.

        • 62
          Tax Payer says:

          Admittedly, that patient didn’t look like he was vulnerable to germs from a shirt sleeve.

        • 153
          Dr Keith Horatio Chegwin FRCP says:

          Don’t tell anyone but the whole ‘bare-below-the-elbows’ is just a way of blaming NHS staff, medics in particular, for high infection rates in hospitals. The real reasons are understaffing and lack of isolation beds. You’ll see graphs showing a reduction in MRSA blood infections since the policy was introduced but the rate of methiciliin sensitive Staph aureus infections (also derived from skin) hasn’t changed. There no evidence that the policy works

        • 170
          Anonymous says:

          Unpaid leave apparently.

    • 5
      Tankus says:

      you do have to wonder where his political allegiances lie ?

      • 45
        sockpuppet #4 says:

        Not really:
        “But Mr Nunn’s frustration may have been down to his repeated criticism of the growth of NHS managers at the expense of frontline medics in recent years and the harm he says their ‘tick box’ approach has done to patient care” so he’s perhaps been irritated with meddling politicians for a very long time.

        In such circumstances “what the fuck is this fucking circus doing in the ward” would be my response. But thats probably viewed as innapropriate by the management.

        • 103
          AC1 says:

          Even my NHS GP is affected by it.

          “I know the medicine will help, but I can’t prescribe it because it’s not in the BNF”…

          Might just go online and buy it.

          • Bouvs says:

            Sorry – either you or the GP (guessing you) don’t know what the BNF is. If you mean “the PCT will be upset it I prescribe it” you might be telling the truth.

            Not to say the NHS does not systematically fail to offer medicines that a standard in say Spain or Italy, let alone Germany or France.

            Doctors can prescribe off-label unapproved drugs if they want to. Though I wouldn’t expect a GP to do that very often.

            Of course that might not be reimbursed on an FP10 though a hospital could source it as for example some did with phalidomide for cancer patients.

        • 127
          Old Tory says:

          He made his point in a very aggressive manner, typical of this sort of high handed official. Full of his own self importance. Can you imagine having to show ID cards to that sort of creep. In the seventies we had to put up with railway porters, doctor’s receptionist, union reps with that sort of fucking attitude.
          Now hes off work, tax payer supported?… a load of bollocks.

          • Old Twit says:

            Utter bollocks. If he’d had done the same thing to some crappy Gordon Brown photo shoot, you’d be cheering him on to the rafters. But because he did it to your precious party, he’s become an enemy.

          • WokinghamChris says:

            Wouldn’t have been allowed to happen under McMental. He might not have been inclined to say it under McMental, more likley.

      • 64
        sockpuppet #4 says:

        “In a letter to the Daily Telegraph he claimed political correctness meant that communication problems with foreign staff were not discusssed.”

        He doesn’t fit into a party political pigeon hole very well.

    • 23
      Carry on Doctor says:

      No doubt on full pay too.

    • 28
      Whats up Doc? says:

      I didn’t realise that staff had told the flunkys that there was no need to roll up sleeves. Seems like the Doc is a little unhinged.

    • 69
      Dodgy Euro Dave says:

      More to the point. Dave did NOT answer the first question at PMQs. One can only conclude that we WILL be helping with the Greek Euro Bail out.

  2. 3
    Mr Nunn , Consultant ,St Thomas Trust says:

    Wibble ! Wibble !

  3. 6
    Billy Bowden is the greatest umpire ever ! says:

    Is it un-paid leave or taxpayer paid leave?

    plus a tempworkerwould have to be recruted to cover his absense,More cost for the taxpayer!!!!

  4. 7
    Blogerati says:

    How dare you come onto this blog without washing your hands. We have to, so jolly well go and wash them now! I blame Sue

  5. 8
    Disco Stew says:

    What a pompous ass that doctor was.

    • 16
      Socialism has murdered 150 million human beings pride says:

      He embarassed grandstanding scum. He m,ay have been grandstanding himself but who cares–some evil shite received a small humiliation. It is not much retaliaition for the vile deeds the polits get away with daily but it is some. Good luck to the bloke.

      • 88
        the only way is anal says:

        fair point – but making dave look like a complete cun*t isn’t the most difficult task

        • 107
          loungelizard says:

          Just another consultant with an ego to match his taxpayer funded salary.

  6. 9
    Mory Camby says:

    Surely if media call accept no less than 5 grand for the full story?

  7. 10
    Socialism has murdered 150 million human beings pride says:

    He speaks his mind and now he is on permanant leave?–his idea is it?

    He should have punched both of the bastards in the face and then smashed their heads together.

    The political shite in this country are pure scum. The creatures who kow-tow to them are the only thing worse.

  8. 11
    Liebore dirty tricks says:

    Is he a Labour stooge? When I first saw that on the news, I was immediately struck by his ott showboating for the cameras. It just didn’t ring true. It seemed disingenuous and rehearsed.

  9. 12
    Moussa Koussa says:

    Wow the nasty party …anyone who stands up to you, nurse, doctor, surgeon is pursued with venonous intent….still nasty

  10. 13
    Anonymous says:

    Having worked in a hospital, i know first hand all these punters think they are god almighty

    • 21
      MrAngry61 says:


      (in the absence of thumbs).

      To be fair, fewer of them in my experience behave as arrogantly as say 20 years ago, but I met one last year who was off the scale.

  11. 17
    Anonymous says:

    Maybe he broke down at the realisation that the three MPs were told to roll their sleeves up by their PR people.

  12. 18
    Thoughtcrime says:

    “It is imperative staff not answer any questions or provide information or personal opinions.”

    We tell you what you can say. We tell you what you can’t say. Your personal opinions must never be disclosed.

  13. 19
    I'm sure I'm right but says:

    It looks like the work of Lord Mandlebum.

    • 83
      Lord Mandelbum of Fondleboys says:

      Nah, not me. Oh, you mean that other bloke, the one that parades around masquerading as me?

  14. 20
    Liebore dirty tricks says:

    Not to be nasty but he does have a sinister face. He just looks creepy.

  15. 22
    David Lammy says:

    Can I have a shad cab job please?

  16. 24
    Moussa Koussa says:

    Sack Miliband. He’s a c nt

    • 146
      Cogito Dexter says:

      No – please don’t. He’s going to be the best thing that ever happened to the Labour Party.

      I.e. keeping them unelectable.

  17. 26
    David Lammy MP says:

    Cut VAT on food now!

    • 33
      Dyanne Fat Butt says:

      Yeh mon. Hespecially on da ryce and da peea. Brrrrap!

    • 100
      Anon says:

      Food is zero rated

      • 120
        Smig says:

        Beer. That’s food. Duty and VAT.
        Kebabs. That’s food. VAT on that.
        Mega Breakfast on a try from Charlie the Skillet and his awesome van. Got VAT on that too.

      • 124
        Smig says:

        Beer. That’s food. Duty and VAT.
        Kebabs. That’s food. VAT on that.
        Mega Breakfast on a tray from Charlie the Skillet and his awesome van. Got VAT on that too.

  18. 27
    Gordon Gooey Bottom Brown says:

    That’s not losing your temper! He’s an amateur!

  19. 29
    Billy Bowden is the greatest umpire ever ! says:

    Will anyone notice if he takes time off?

  20. 30
    Moussa Koussa says:

    The Twat: “We’re Listening, we are a Listening cockalition”

    Military Commander: “I have some issuing regarding our involvement in Libya”

    The Twat: “Shut up”

    • 37
      Gordon Brown says:

      I always gave the army what they wanted. Except helicopters, armour and equipment. And I never argued with the families of dead soldiers. Except the mother of the soldier whose name I misspelt.

      • 54
        Moussa Koussa says:

        errrrrrrr Afgan campaign. UK soldiers death rate has accelerated in the past 14 months. Post May 2010

        Two of the 3 worst months both within past 6 months. 281 deaths in first 8 ½ years. 96 deaths in past 14 months alone.

        Stop being an apologist, The Twat hasn’t made good any of his military equipment promises, in fact they have less equipment and recourses, hence the spike in casualties.

        So Feck off apologists, check the facts. This year’s death rate in Afgan set to be the worst. FACT

        • 59
          Steve Miliband says:

          Maybe there’s more combat you fucking dimwit

          • Moussa Koussa says:

            APOLOGIST. No there hasn’t. And if there has been, as you “””suppose”””, don’t you think you should have been told

          • Laughing at you says:

            You need to go back to your school and ask for a refund, ohhh to be educated under Labour!

          • Steve Miliband says:

            Poor old Moussa, or is it Jonty, is scrapping the barrel

          • Archer Karcher says:

            Trying to score political points with dead soldiers or cancer sufferers, is so New Labour.

        • 148
          Helpful says:

          The spike has been caused by a change in tactics and a more aggressive posture. They have been operating in areas previously off-limits. The change in posture is part of the exit strategy and the expectation is that casualties will start to drop. They have been taking out bomb and IED making factories, supply dumps and middle ranking Taliban officer cadres.

      • 80
        Grumpy Old Man says:

        True Gordon. in your own words you had nothing – but praise- for our troops.

    • 42
      Ex-Conservative voter says:

      Yes, but you’re forgetting that General David Cameron (Armchair Battalion) has vastly superior knowledge and experience of military matters compared with mere military personnel who have received years of thorough training and actually fought for many more years in combat zones.

      They should bow to his military genius.

    • 50
      AC1 says:

      Are you anencephalic?

    • 125
      Dave "I'll do the talkin', you do the dying" Camerloon says:

      My fiendishly cunning plan to slash the armed forces then start a war was a stroke of genius.

    • 155
      Anonymous says:

      Leave it to the resident fuckwit, who knows nowt about the operation in Afghanistan, to use dead soldiers as a means of scoring political points.

      What a scumbag you are Moussa Koussa – wonder if you’d have the balls to come out with this stuff to a dead squaddie’s family?

  21. 35
    Billy Bowden is the greatest umpire ever ! says:

    What is he a consultant off? Paperclips?

  22. 36
    Helpful says:

    An anaesthetist dies and goes to heaven. At the gates he meets St Peter and asks for an assurance that there are no consultant surgeons in heaven. When asked what the issue is by St Peter he says, I have put up with them for most of my working life and they think they are God Almight; if there are any in here I would rather go to the other place. He is suitably assured by St Peter that there are no consultant surgeons in heaven. On entering he immediately sees this man in a white coat with a stethoscope around his neck waving his hands and shouting nurse, nurse!

    The anaesthetist turns to St Peter and says you told me there were no consultant surgeons here; to which St Peter responds, there aren’t, that is God he thinks he is a surgeon! Boom boom!

  23. 40
    Moussa Koussa says:

    Seems Guido has a mole at the Trust

    FOI Query:- to find Guido Mole, and get them sacked. If mole is releasing internal info, no doubt can be traced back to Tory HQ. Can of worms me thinks!!!!!!! Careful what you wish for Guido.

    • 52
      Order-Order Spokesman says:

      I forgot to attach to the right post.

      Order a T-shirt.


    • 53
      The NHS says:

      We only sack staff if they’re caught telling Panorama about patients being left to die in soiled beds, desperately trying to reach vases of water.

      Other than that, disciplinary matters are normally dealt with by means of promotion and payrises.

    • 113
      jgm2 says:

      Typical Labour approach. Actually no. A typical Labour aproach would be to arrest Guido and ask him who was supplying him with this viotal information of national security and then sack the person responsible.

      Like Labour did with Damian Green. Because they’re wicked and malicious.

      Although they (labour) did run their NHS and schools photoshoots with a bit more care and attention. No snotty consultants or off-message teachers allowed anywhere near the ‘talent’ on those occcasions unless they’d been vetted well in advance.

  24. 44
    annette curton says:

    That guy shouts it everywhere, at passers by in the street, in the Post Office etc, obviously some kind of complex, now if they could only promote ritual hand washing in NHS establishments that would be a good thing.

  25. 47
    Order-Order Spokesman says:

    Order a T-shirt.


  26. 51
    Gordon Brown says:

    I’m a rectangle

  27. 66
    Anonymous says:

    Ve vuld like to tank al ze greek poor vor believing in the ze Euro domination and tank u too for ze paying for it all too.

    You is all zo nice.

  28. 72
    Bardirect says:

    No doubt he will be keeping up his private practice at the adjacent London Bridge Hospital where he works “Monday ALL DAY, Tuesday EVE by app, Wednesday EVE by app, Thursday AM / EVE by app” whilst receiving his full NHS pay.

    • 154
      Dr Keith Horatio Chegwin FRCP says:


      • 174
        Anonymous says:

        This point was discussed on Doctors.org.uk! he works in LBH OUTSIDE of his NHS contract! D’oh!

  29. 78
    Gordon Brown says:

    I want to be Dr David Nunn immediately

  30. 82
    Afghanistan Banana Stand says:

    He’s lucky it wasn’t Bliar he was sounding off at.

    Bliar would have had him take a little walk into a wood somewhere..

  31. 84
    the last quango in paris says:

    did they also bring in a randon bridesmaid?

  32. 85
    Gonk says:

    Good. Time warp bully boy.
    A consultant speciality.

  33. 90
    Billy Bowden is the greatest umpire ever ! says:

    Caption contest.

    “Pay the extra taxes or we will break your legs!”

  34. 93
    Steve Miliband says:

    Mind you, shirt sleeves can be fucking lethal

  35. 96
    Govt-By-Cluster-Fuck says:

    Yeah i mean obviously a prime minesterial photoshoot takes precedence over any imaginary risk from c.difficle and mrsa right ?

    Journalist tw@s

    • 107
      Just Askin says:

      Suppose you had inadvertently stepped in some dog shit on your way to A&E, should you roll your shoes up?.

      • 115
        Govt-By-Cluster-Fuck says:

        Suppose you should wipe your feet on the grass outside then.

        Seriously, there can not be a person in the country is not aware of hospital aquired infections and the efforts to minimise them.

        Fairly simple to ask the ward reception what is acceptable and what is in this case clearly not.

        • 126
          Infuriated of West Mids says:

          Read. The. Fucking. Facts. They did.

          God, I get sick and tired of leftie twats spouting bollocks without the slightest hint of full knowledge of a story, or any desire to learn it.

  36. 109
    Martin Day says:

    All in needs is for David Cameron and Nick Clegg to have a knotted handkerchief on their heads…….could be mistaken for a couple of E.L.Gumby’s.

  37. 110
    Must get a pseudonym one day says:

    Maybe the irrascible consultant is spending some time with the Libyan Health Service, learning how they manage to keep a ‘terminal’ prostate cancer sufferer alive at least two years longer than the UK NHS……..

  38. 119
    Jimmy says:

    If it’s any consolation, they were probably going to sell the place to McDonalds anyway, this way he gets a head start sending out his cv.

  39. 130
    WokinghamChris says:

    It seems as though some NHS staff think they can be employed in the public sector AND behave like NuLab activists. Which of course is an abuse of their positions for the advantage of NuLab.

    I am not sure that Mr Nunn would have been allowed to do this to McMental I get the impression that the public sector has become overtly politicised to the left after 13 years of the NuLab Terror.

  40. 132
    Michael Howard says:

    I mean, how hard is it to keep a hospital clean?

  41. 133
    Ancient Conservative says:

    Are we living under a dictatorship or in a democracy?

  42. 134
    Ancient Conservative says:

    Paid leave?

  43. 135
    Kered Ybretsae says:

    No comment can be regarded as a comment.

  44. 136
    Professor Sir Robert Winstons says:

    hahahahahahahaha Nunn, you fucking stupid cu’nt

    I rests me case Nunn you fuckole

  45. 137
    Mike Handycock MP says:

    This is the way it has to work, if you challenge the public sector, even if you are right. Here in Portsmouth, where we have many Whistleblowers, we use two approaches. We either destroy their careers or pay them off; either way it keeps them quiet.


  46. 138
    Anonymous says:

    DOCTOR Peter Carter of the RCN very quiet that the ward sister allowed the camera with the sleeves down. Too embarassed to chide his little darlings.

  47. 142
    Anonymous says:

    Worked on this chap’s firm as a medical student – excellent surgeon, good sense of humour, endearingly bonkers. Old-fashioned Tory I would guess.

    • 143
      the only way is anal says:

      so, everything that dave despises – no wonder he’s on “leave”.

      different if he’d been lgbt – dave would have been slavering over every orifice

  48. 144
    Elgin's lost his marbles says:

    Any know how often this chap has checked up on hygiene in the wards when there are no cameras present? It’s just that I expect he didn’t bother when thousands get MRSA in hospitals (unless they die of thirst first etc.).

    Send him to the US, I’d love to see him try that on an Obama visit… Not that he would object to the Great Leader’s plans.

  49. 145
    khaa2091 says:

    Good bloke.

    His point about the dress code was that it has been foisted upon us without any evidence that it makes the slightest bit of difference re hospital acquired infection (that’ll be the 110% bed occupancy rates and outsourced cleaning) – other countries don’t do it.

    All of us are happy to take off watches and roll up sleeves if we are touching a patient, but the same rules apply if we step foot on a ward. If it is that important for us, why not the camera crew and hangers on who were also visiting? Looking smart is more difficult in a short sleeved shirt with no tie, white coats are banned and any contravention results in an interview with no coffee with the medical director.

    Mr Nunn has previously written to the Telegraph about this (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/comment/letters/3642787/Letters-to-the-Daily-Telegraph.html) and made his view of “window dressing” very clear. Like the vast majority of orthopods, he is paranoid about infections because of the risk they pose to joint replacements

  50. 147
    That's Odd says:

    At least under the coalition he won’t end up like the other doctor!

    David Kelly!

  51. 157
    Cunt Face says:

    Is this really a story zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

  52. 162
    tell it like it really is says:

    Channel 4 – King’s College Hospital 24 hrs A&E – the absolute and conclusive proof that we need a wholesale clearout and benefit crackdown on the scum infesting London and large parts of the rest of the country. Watch it (Ya get me – vile)

    • 163
      Mrs E Adams says:

      Blacks getting stabbed in London, blood everywhere.

      Now, who would have predicted that?

  53. 164
    City of Vice says:

    Well done to the surgeon!

    It’s bad enough of all these politicians and their hangers on – including the overpaid hospital managers – using patients as their props. To then not comply with the hygiene rules the hospital authorities impose on everyone else is taking the piss.

    They need to sack whoever put the surgeon on gardening leave. Wrong, and a waste of taxpayers’ money.

  54. 166
    Jeffrey Bernard is Unwell says:

    There is a serious point about all this. Mr David Nunn may be a pompous ass who didn’t make his point very well. However, did what he did merit him being put on in definite “gardening leave”? Was it so serious that all contact with patients has to be stopped? I submit that the public has been deprived of an excellent technical orthopaedic surgeon. The taxpayer has been left to pay a senior consultant salary whilst he tends his roses as well as paying for a locum surgeon in the meantime.

    • 171
      Anonymous says:

      Apparently the leave is unpaid.

      • 172
        Anonymouse says:

        Top surgeon or not, he walked out of an operation before, glad it wasn’t mine. I wonder why wasn’t he disciplined then? Maybe that would’ve stopped the arrogance this time! Cos, like it or not, David Cameron is the PM, ie, the face of Britain and the flag – and that deserves respect, none was shown in that incident.

        That said, he deserves to be disciplined so that he can learn his lesson, but not to the point of total disposal.

        Would the trust reinstate him if he appologised? Would he appologise?

        • 176
          Anonymous says:

          “walked out of an op” please enlighten us on that one?
          I’ve worked with him & he would never do that!
          Perhaps you are confused? He de-scrubbed so that he could find the kit he needed for the op when no-one understood what he wanted!
          Not quite the same is it?
          As Mark Twain might have said “Never let the facts get in the way of a good story”

          • Anonymouse says:

            I wasn’t there myself and of course can not clarify. Maybe you should contact the papers who published the story then because that ‘s what they reported. Whether true or not, this shouting espisode was not right and I hope he appologises. At least to show good will and convince onlookers, either the media or the public, that this was not done out of arrogance. He’d have a better chance of returning to work then, but there is no point in defending someone in the wrong unless he acknowleges his own faults first.

            Someone else wrote a comment elsewhere that it was wrong to make such a scene infront of other non consenting patients. I agree!

  55. 178
    Dave666 says:

    We need more consultants like him to beat up the management and politicians.

  56. 179
    Socialism is a mental illness says:

    The consultant was right. But the NHS MUST bring back in-house cleaning staff, pay them well, and under the control of a Matron, who has power over even consultants. All the cleaning contractors at present are motivated by profit, pay peanuts and the result is slovenly cleaning.

  57. 180
    Doddering Old Fart. says:

    He made them look the pair of twa*s they are. Well done that man.

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