Exclusive: Cam Rage Consultant On Permanent Leave
The consultant who flipped a switch when he saw Cameron, Clegg and Lansley in his ward with a camera crew who had not rolled up their sleeves, despite being told they did not have to by other staff, has been put on permanent leave by St Thomas’s Hospital Trust. A memo sent to staff on the 17th and seen by Guido explains lines to take regarding Dr David Nunn:
“Mr Nunn has requested leave. It would be inappropriate to comment further. At this stage we do not know when Mr Nunn will return to the Trust. Staff should be aware that media may phone without identifying themselves as media. It is imperative staff not answer any questions or provide information or personal opinions. If unsure, always decline to comment and terminate the phone call.”
Developing…
UPDATE: More details from the memo:
“For any requests for additional information or details about Tuesday’s incident, staff should always say:
I’m sorry, I’m not in a position to comment on that.
For any questions/approaches from media:
I’m sorry, I’m not in a position to comment on that.”
The Trust seem highly embarassed and went to great lengths to see the story shut down. Guido’s sources seem pretty sure Mr Nunn won’t be coming back anytime soon…
Another pilgrim?
Another NHS cut
Did Cameron and McClegg have anything to do with it as he fcked up their promo on a failed health policy??
This comedy duo ought to step aside and let a true Tory take charge with policies that the people want. Sadly, both have proven to be adolescent fakes. Cameron is starting to appear pompous and high handed, the power has gone way over his head. …..”let me do the talking.” The problem is he does all the talking and no walking- all mouth and no substance.
you won’t find many true tories left in the conservative party
And that includes me. So the antics of Dopey Dave and the Dithering Dickheads, feck up the career of a much needed medical professional. You couldn’t fecking make it up . . .
Most have left to join UKIP the only party to represent the the feelings that people have against the Socialist menace of the United Soviet State of Europe
Elderly told: Bang tambourine to call for nurses’ help
http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/3650190/Elderly-told-Bang-tambourine-to-call-for-nurses-help.html
Thanks! Have recorded it on NDS
http://nationaldeathservice.blogspot.com/2011/06/elderly-told-bang-tambourine-to-call.html
Hallelujah and praise the Lord.
Did he jump or was he pushed?
TBH he seemed a bit un-hinged. OK, he had a point, but seemed to lose the plot when making it.
he’s a bit of a “letter writer” I believe.
He’s apparently been pissed off about all sorts of things, including the hygene rules.
BUT did he have a point …. was any health risk created by havng unrolled sleeves
…….. and is he on Paid Leave
…. He seemed to be really rude
……. shouldn’t he subject to disciplinary proceedings for his behaviour in front of the National cameras
There may or may not have been a health risk, fact is that he was maintaining standards, taking a zero tolerance approach. Cameron immediately acquiesced knowing Nunn was right.
Remains to be seen which lazy people permitted the crew to enter with long sleeves and ties, though WE will never find out. Cameron and Lansley had removed theirs.
Hospital suffered embarrassment, so what?
Is it Cam who has a streak of the Cosa Nostra about him or the embarrassed bureaucrats who run Guys & Tommies?
Quite so O t N, and does the NHS have so many specialists with high standards that they can afford to push one out on extended leave?
(I suppose the answer to that one is: “No, but we are going to do it anyway because he rained on our parade.”)
khaa2091 @145 below has a more knowledgable take on the Consultant’s “outburst”.
Still doesn’t show the hospital bureaucrats in a good light, ignoring their own rules for some cheap propaganda!
@ Osama- //which lazy people permitted the crew to enter with long sleeves and ties //
The evidence ‘points to’ – the Ward Sister, who according to news items at the time – was asked by the PM what ‘precautions’ he and the crew should take, and complied with her advice??
Cameron could take no other action than to acquiesce to Nunn’s demands.
However NHS consultants are totally up themselves and this Nunn bloke in particular thinks he’s god. The NHS has always been run for the benefit of consultants, not patients.
It’s about time a consultant was made an example of.
Admittedly, that patient didn’t look like he was vulnerable to germs from a shirt sleeve.
Don’t tell anyone but the whole ‘bare-below-the-elbows’ is just a way of blaming NHS staff, medics in particular, for high infection rates in hospitals. The real reasons are understaffing and lack of isolation beds. You’ll see graphs showing a reduction in MRSA blood infections since the policy was introduced but the rate of methiciliin sensitive Staph aureus infections (also derived from skin) hasn’t changed. There no evidence that the policy works
I’m bit reluctant to refer directly the the Daily Mail in this august Company – but suggest looking at -
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-2006075/Doctors-taking-ties-wont-stop-MRSA–cleaning-filthy-wards-WILL.html
The DoH ‘guidance’ mentioned is “”UNIFORMS AND WORKWEAR An evidence base for developing local policy”[ http://tinyurl.com/62uo2a6 ]
QUOTE // The main conclusions drawn by the Working Group, using a combination of expert opinion, literature reviews and scientific study, are: • There is no conclusive evidence that uniforms (or other work clothes) pose a significant hazard in terms of spreading infection. • It seems that the public believe there is a risk. They do not like seeing hospital staff in uniform away from the workplace. //
Unpaid leave apparently.
you do have to wonder where his political allegiances lie ?
Not really:
“But Mr Nunn’s frustration may have been down to his repeated criticism of the growth of NHS managers at the expense of frontline medics in recent years and the harm he says their ‘tick box’ approach has done to patient care” so he’s perhaps been irritated with meddling politicians for a very long time.
In such circumstances “what the fuck is this fucking circus doing in the ward” would be my response. But thats probably viewed as innapropriate by the management.
Even my NHS GP is affected by it.
“I know the medicine will help, but I can’t prescribe it because it’s not in the BNF”…
Might just go online and buy it.
Sorry – either you or the GP (guessing you) don’t know what the BNF is. If you mean “the PCT will be upset it I prescribe it” you might be telling the truth.
Not to say the NHS does not systematically fail to offer medicines that a standard in say Spain or Italy, let alone Germany or France.
Doctors can prescribe off-label unapproved drugs if they want to. Though I wouldn’t expect a GP to do that very often.
Of course that might not be reimbursed on an FP10 though a hospital could source it as for example some did with phalidomide for cancer patients.
He made his point in a very aggressive manner, typical of this sort of high handed official. Full of his own self importance. Can you imagine having to show ID cards to that sort of creep. In the seventies we had to put up with railway porters, doctor’s receptionist, union reps with that sort of fucking attitude.
Now hes off work, tax payer supported?… a load of bollocks.
Utter bollocks. If he’d had done the same thing to some crappy Gordon Brown photo shoot, you’d be cheering him on to the rafters. But because he did it to your precious party, he’s become an enemy.
Wouldn’t have been allowed to happen under McMental. He might not have been inclined to say it under McMental, more likley.
“In a letter to the Daily Telegraph he claimed political correctness meant that communication problems with foreign staff were not discusssed.”
He doesn’t fit into a party political pigeon hole very well.
He is clearly a common sense tory. Shame that the conservative party isn’t anymore.
don’t be so 20th century
Some kind of bigot
No doubt on full pay too.
I didn’t realise that staff had told the flunkys that there was no need to roll up sleeves. Seems like the Doc is a little unhinged.
More to the point. Dave did NOT answer the first question at PMQs. One can only conclude that we WILL be helping with the Greek Euro Bail out.
One can only conclude that your a whiny Labour fückwit and i claim my 5 pounds
The money for Greece was sent to the IMF last week. Not that it will have the slightest effect, the Greeks are heading for the shitter at warp speed and so are our ‘loans’.
The cheques in the post
Wibble ! Wibble !
Is it un-paid leave or taxpayer paid leave?
plus a tempworkerwould have to be recruted to cover his absense,More cost for the taxpayer!!!!
How dare you come onto this blog without washing your hands. We have to, so jolly well go and wash them now! I blame Sue
He he, looks like Dave and Nick have lost their watches too.
Was the patient a Scouser?
What a pompous ass that doctor was.
He embarassed grandstanding scum. He m,ay have been grandstanding himself but who cares–some evil shite received a small humiliation. It is not much retaliaition for the vile deeds the polits get away with daily but it is some. Good luck to the bloke.
fair point – but making dave look like a complete cun*t isn’t the most difficult task
Just another consultant with an ego to match his taxpayer funded salary.
Surely if media call accept no less than 5 grand for the full story?
He speaks his mind and now he is on permanant leave?–his idea is it?
He should have punched both of the bastards in the face and then smashed their heads together.
The political shite in this country are pure scum. The creatures who kow-tow to them are the only thing worse.
Is he a Labour stooge? When I first saw that on the news, I was immediately struck by his ott showboating for the cameras. It just didn’t ring true. It seemed disingenuous and rehearsed.
Answer:No.
Look him up.
are you talking about dave or the quack?
Wow the nasty party …anyone who stands up to you, nurse, doctor, surgeon is pursued with venonous intent….still nasty
Quite so.
They’ll making his life a misery next
Or unleashing the forces of hell, perhaps…
I can think of a worse example.
Least no one has died yet, why don’t you ask Dr David Kellys family who is the nasty party!
I predict a hill walking holiday will be arranged for the “derranged” doc!
Having worked in a hospital, i know first hand all these punters think they are god almighty
+1
(in the absence of thumbs).
To be fair, fewer of them in my experience behave as arrogantly as say 20 years ago, but I met one last year who was off the scale.
Maybe he broke down at the realisation that the three MPs were told to roll their sleeves up by their PR people.
“It is imperative staff not answer any questions or provide information or personal opinions.”
We tell you what you can say. We tell you what you can’t say. Your personal opinions must never be disclosed.
The work of embarrassed hospital administrators on six figure salaries.
Why is it imperative?
So that pedants on the staff don’t construe an indicative as an optative subjunctive OK?
Errrrm, yes. Thanks.
It looks like the work of Lord Mandlebum.
Nah, not me. Oh, you mean that other bloke, the one that parades around masquerading as me?
Not to be nasty but he does have a sinister face. He just looks creepy.
http://www.londonbridgehospital.com/LBH/consultant-det/mr-david-nunn/
There’s a hint of Gordon Brown about him.
His sleeves are down ??
So, not just a c’unt – a hypocritical c’unt.
Yes, cos anyone who makes my party leader look a complete nobhead is sinister and creepy.
Can I have a shad cab job please?
Sack Miliband. He’s a c nt
No – please don’t. He’s going to be the best thing that ever happened to the Labour Party.
I.e. keeping them unelectable.
Cut VAT on food now!
Yeh mon. Hespecially on da ryce and da peea. Brrrrap!
Food is zero rated
Beer. That’s food. Duty and VAT.
Kebabs. That’s food. VAT on that.
Mega Breakfast on a try from Charlie the Skillet and his awesome van. Got VAT on that too.
Beer. That’s food. Duty and VAT.
Kebabs. That’s food. VAT on that.
Mega Breakfast on a tray from Charlie the Skillet and his awesome van. Got VAT on that too.
That’s not losing your temper! He’s an amateur!
Will anyone notice if he takes time off?
The patients he treats perhaps
You mean —- the patients he doesn’t treat
His paitants might be gratful about that.
Hardly
Help me.. help.. I have no.. water.. need to .. reach.. vase.. so thirsty..
Sheets.. so.. soiled.. medical staff.. what.. medical staff?
The ones in the staff room drinking coffee and running their own businesses.
The Twat: “We’re Listening, we are a Listening cockalition”
Military Commander: “I have some issuing regarding our involvement in Libya”
The Twat: “Shut up”
I always gave the army what they wanted. Except helicopters, armour and equipment. And I never argued with the families of dead soldiers. Except the mother of the soldier whose name I misspelt.
errrrrrrr Afgan campaign. UK soldiers death rate has accelerated in the past 14 months. Post May 2010
Two of the 3 worst months both within past 6 months. 281 deaths in first 8 ½ years. 96 deaths in past 14 months alone.
Stop being an apologist, The Twat hasn’t made good any of his military equipment promises, in fact they have less equipment and recourses, hence the spike in casualties.
So Feck off apologists, check the facts. This year’s death rate in Afgan set to be the worst. FACT
Maybe there’s more combat you fucking dimwit
APOLOGIST. No there hasn’t. And if there has been, as you “””suppose”””, don’t you think you should have been told
You need to go back to your school and ask for a refund, ohhh to be educated under Labour!
Poor old Moussa, or is it Jonty, is scrapping the barrel
Trying to score political points with dead soldiers or cancer sufferers, is so New Labour.
The spike has been caused by a change in tactics and a more aggressive posture. They have been operating in areas previously off-limits. The change in posture is part of the exit strategy and the expectation is that casualties will start to drop. They have been taking out bomb and IED making factories, supply dumps and middle ranking Taliban officer cadres.
So it’s all going well?
Ha ha ha
True Gordon. in your own words you had nothing – but praise- for our troops.
Yes, but you’re forgetting that General David Cameron (Armchair Battalion) has vastly superior knowledge and experience of military matters compared with mere military personnel who have received years of thorough training and actually fought for many more years in combat zones.
They should bow to his military genius.
just remember where the battle of waterloo was won
Is there a clue in the name?
At Trafalgar.
Are you anencephalic?
My fiendishly cunning plan to slash the armed forces then start a war was a stroke of genius.
Leave it to the resident fuckwit, who knows nowt about the operation in Afghanistan, to use dead soldiers as a means of scoring political points.
What a scumbag you are Moussa Koussa – wonder if you’d have the balls to come out with this stuff to a dead squaddie’s family?
What is he a consultant off? Paperclips?
I used to be a Gynecologist.
Still like to keep my hand from time to time.
arrrrrrh…. Impersonation …Im flattered. Is that the best you can do Cole
That’s fucking lame even for you Bowden.
Today I am an Orthopaedic Surgeon.
An anaesthetist dies and goes to heaven. At the gates he meets St Peter and asks for an assurance that there are no consultant surgeons in heaven. When asked what the issue is by St Peter he says, I have put up with them for most of my working life and they think they are God Almight; if there are any in here I would rather go to the other place. He is suitably assured by St Peter that there are no consultant surgeons in heaven. On entering he immediately sees this man in a white coat with a stethoscope around his neck waving his hands and shouting nurse, nurse!
The anaesthetist turns to St Peter and says you told me there were no consultant surgeons here; to which St Peter responds, there aren’t, that is God he thinks he is a surgeon! Boom boom!
Seems Guido has a mole at the Trust
FOI Query:- to find Guido Mole, and get them sacked. If mole is releasing internal info, no doubt can be traced back to Tory HQ. Can of worms me thinks!!!!!!! Careful what you wish for Guido.
I forgot to attach to the right post.
Order a T-shirt.
http://www.cafepress.com/guidofawkes
LOL
We only sack staff if they’re caught telling Panorama about patients being left to die in soiled beds, desperately trying to reach vases of water.
Other than that, disciplinary matters are normally dealt with by means of promotion and payrises.
errrrrr… they dont do it as anon, on the sly…big difference to a Tory mole leaking personal data to Tory HQ
There are a lot of Tory Moles about did you not know blue is this seasons colour. Hardly surprising as every fücker hates Labour lol
Allow me to pop your little bubble, lefty retard.
http://www.theargus.co.uk/news/4296317.Nurse_struck_off_for_undercover_filming_at_Brighton_hospital/
Typical Labour approach. Actually no. A typical Labour aproach would be to arrest Guido and ask him who was supplying him with this viotal information of national security and then sack the person responsible.
Like Labour did with Damian Green. Because they’re wicked and malicious.
Although they (labour) did run their NHS and schools photoshoots with a bit more care and attention. No snotty consultants or off-message teachers allowed anywhere near the ‘talent’ on those occcasions unless they’d been vetted well in advance.
That guy shouts it everywhere, at passers by in the street, in the Post Office etc, obviously some kind of complex, now if they could only promote ritual hand washing in NHS establishments that would be a good thing.
I used to go fishing with anette
Roll your sleeves up first.
Order a T-shirt.
http://www.cafepress.com/guidofawkes
I’m a rectangle
A pictogram, you mean.
Ve vuld like to tank al ze greek poor vor believing in the ze Euro domination and tank u too for ze paying for it all too.
You is all zo nice.
No doubt he will be keeping up his private practice at the adjacent London Bridge Hospital where he works “Monday ALL DAY, Tuesday EVE by app, Wednesday EVE by app, Thursday AM / EVE by app” whilst receiving his full NHS pay.
hE’S ALLOWED TO WORK OVERTIME FOR HE PRIVATE SECTOR YOU JEALOUS T*AT
This point was discussed on Doctors.org.uk! he works in LBH OUTSIDE of his NHS contract! D’oh!
I want to be Dr David Nunn immediately
He’s lucky it wasn’t Bliar he was sounding off at.
Bliar would have had him take a little walk into a wood somewhere..
did they also bring in a randon bridesmaid?
Good. Time warp bully boy.
A consultant speciality.
Caption contest.
“Pay the extra taxes or we will break your legs!”
Mind you, shirt sleeves can be fucking lethal
Yeah, in a machine shop.
That blonde bottom right is uncovered nicely. Any more and she’d have them out.
almost gave dave a stiffie – and that doesn’t happen often
Blonde bottom right? can’t see either cheek.
Yeah i mean obviously a prime minesterial photoshoot takes precedence over any imaginary risk from c.difficle and mrsa right ?
Journalist tw@s
Suppose you had inadvertently stepped in some dog shit on your way to A&E, should you roll your shoes up?.
Suppose you should wipe your feet on the grass outside then.
Seriously, there can not be a person in the country is not aware of hospital aquired infections and the efforts to minimise them.
Fairly simple to ask the ward reception what is acceptable and what is in this case clearly not.
Read. The. Fucking. Facts. They did.
God, I get sick and tired of leftie twats spouting bollocks without the slightest hint of full knowledge of a story, or any desire to learn it.
Quite agree. It’s so tory of them.
All in needs is for David Cameron and Nick Clegg to have a knotted handkerchief on their heads…….could be mistaken for a couple of E.L.Gumby’s.
E L Wisty?
You twat!
Go on, put the boot in.
Welli boot I hope!
EL Wisty wore a hat
The Gumby’s had the hankies & wellies and the pretty chrisansta..chrasmununmmnmn……… ROSES!
Maybe the irrascible consultant is spending some time with the Libyan Health Service, learning how they manage to keep a ‘terminal’ prostate cancer sufferer alive at least two years longer than the UK NHS……..
If it’s any consolation, they were probably going to sell the place to McDonalds anyway, this way he gets a head start sending out his cv.
It seems as though some NHS staff think they can be employed in the public sector AND behave like NuLab activists. Which of course is an abuse of their positions for the advantage of NuLab.
I am not sure that Mr Nunn would have been allowed to do this to McMental I get the impression that the public sector has become overtly politicised to the left after 13 years of the NuLab Terror.
I mean, how hard is it to keep a hospital clean?
Are we living under a dictatorship or in a democracy?
Paid leave?
No comment can be regarded as a comment.
hahahahahahahaha Nunn, you fucking stupid cu’nt
I rests me case Nunn you fuckole
This is the way it has to work, if you challenge the public sector, even if you are right. Here in Portsmouth, where we have many Whistleblowers, we use two approaches. We either destroy their careers or pay them off; either way it keeps them quiet.
http://www.po12bg.com/id48.html
DOCTOR Peter Carter of the RCN very quiet that the ward sister allowed the camera with the sleeves down. Too embarassed to chide his little darlings.
Worked on this chap’s firm as a medical student – excellent surgeon, good sense of humour, endearingly bonkers. Old-fashioned Tory I would guess.
so, everything that dave despises – no wonder he’s on “leave”.
different if he’d been lgbt – dave would have been slavering over every orifice
Any know how often this chap has checked up on hygiene in the wards when there are no cameras present? It’s just that I expect he didn’t bother when thousands get MRSA in hospitals (unless they die of thirst first etc.).
Send him to the US, I’d love to see him try that on an Obama visit… Not that he would object to the Great Leader’s plans.
Good bloke.
His point about the dress code was that it has been foisted upon us without any evidence that it makes the slightest bit of difference re hospital acquired infection (that’ll be the 110% bed occupancy rates and outsourced cleaning) – other countries don’t do it.
All of us are happy to take off watches and roll up sleeves if we are touching a patient, but the same rules apply if we step foot on a ward. If it is that important for us, why not the camera crew and hangers on who were also visiting? Looking smart is more difficult in a short sleeved shirt with no tie, white coats are banned and any contravention results in an interview with no coffee with the medical director.
Mr Nunn has previously written to the Telegraph about this (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/comment/letters/3642787/Letters-to-the-Daily-Telegraph.html) and made his view of “window dressing” very clear. Like the vast majority of orthopods, he is paranoid about infections because of the risk they pose to joint replacements
You won’t get very far coming here spouting sense.
Except he was wearing a tie. Do bow ties not count?
Nope, which is why he was wearing one.
At least under the coalition he won’t end up like the other doctor!
David Kelly!
Is this really a story zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
Channel 4 – King’s College Hospital 24 hrs A&E – the absolute and conclusive proof that we need a wholesale clearout and benefit crackdown on the scum infesting London and large parts of the rest of the country. Watch it (Ya get me – vile)
Blacks getting stabbed in London, blood everywhere.
Now, who would have predicted that?
Well done to the surgeon!
It’s bad enough of all these politicians and their hangers on – including the overpaid hospital managers – using patients as their props. To then not comply with the hygiene rules the hospital authorities impose on everyone else is taking the piss.
They need to sack whoever put the surgeon on gardening leave. Wrong, and a waste of taxpayers’ money.
There is a serious point about all this. Mr David Nunn may be a pompous ass who didn’t make his point very well. However, did what he did merit him being put on in definite “gardening leave”? Was it so serious that all contact with patients has to be stopped? I submit that the public has been deprived of an excellent technical orthopaedic surgeon. The taxpayer has been left to pay a senior consultant salary whilst he tends his roses as well as paying for a locum surgeon in the meantime.
Apparently the leave is unpaid.
Top surgeon or not, he walked out of an operation before, glad it wasn’t mine. I wonder why wasn’t he disciplined then? Maybe that would’ve stopped the arrogance this time! Cos, like it or not, David Cameron is the PM, ie, the face of Britain and the flag – and that deserves respect, none was shown in that incident.
That said, he deserves to be disciplined so that he can learn his lesson, but not to the point of total disposal.
Would the trust reinstate him if he appologised? Would he appologise?
“walked out of an op” please enlighten us on that one?
I’ve worked with him & he would never do that!
Perhaps you are confused? He de-scrubbed so that he could find the kit he needed for the op when no-one understood what he wanted!
Not quite the same is it?
As Mark Twain might have said “Never let the facts get in the way of a good story”
I wasn’t there myself and of course can not clarify. Maybe you should contact the papers who published the story then because that ‘s what they reported. Whether true or not, this shouting espisode was not right and I hope he appologises. At least to show good will and convince onlookers, either the media or the public, that this was not done out of arrogance. He’d have a better chance of returning to work then, but there is no point in defending someone in the wrong unless he acknowleges his own faults first.
Someone else wrote a comment elsewhere that it was wrong to make such a scene infront of other non consenting patients. I agree!
We need more consultants like him to beat up the management and politicians.
The consultant was right. But the NHS MUST bring back in-house cleaning staff, pay them well, and under the control of a Matron, who has power over even consultants. All the cleaning contractors at present are motivated by profit, pay peanuts and the result is slovenly cleaning.
He made them look the pair of twa*s they are. Well done that man.