June 16th, 2011

Puddick Precedent Will Be Important

Guido has been awaiting the trial of Ian Puddick with avid interest. Puddick set up a series of websites to vent his anger over his wife’s 10-year affair with her boss, Timothy Haynes. On the first day of the case there has been no suggestion that anything posted online by Ian Puddick is untrue, simply that the widespread and repeated dissemination amounts to harassment. He was raided by the City of London Police on dubious grounds. This is as Mr Puddick himself says “a very interesting case”.

Tory MP Nadine Dorries is hounded online to a degree that is amazing for a backbench MP, even for one as admittedly colourful as Nadine, her persecution is extraordinary. Every thing she says, writes or tweets is deconstructed. Any slip of the tongue is a lie, any poorly phrased blog post is used in evidence against her. She is an outspoken woman with strong views, a socially conservative opponent of abortion. In some circles this is a thought-crime.

Her forays into blogging and tweeting have brought her nothing but grief, Guido advised her some years ago to quit the online limelight. There is little she can do about what people write about her online if it is not defamatory or a provable lie. Opinion is hard to action.

Lawyers believe the Puddick case could help define the limits of free expression online, the prosecution claims the plumber’s actions were harassment such that they forced the adulterous director to leave his position due to stress. In Guido’s opinion unless the harassment takes the form of direct communication – email, telephone, faxes, letters, tweets – it should not be actionable. If this case sets a precedent that online publication can be harassment won’t it have a chilling effect on free expression? For years this blog wrote almost daily negative stories about Gordon Brown, we know that this stressed him greatly. Should Brown be allowed to sue Guido for harassment? Should Nadine be allowed to sue her enemies for harassing her online?


  1. 1
    Schillings will be coining it says:

    This sounds like even more fun than a super-injunction, because nobody will know when the truth might be illegal.


  2. 2
    Fuck Labour says:

    I’d like a return to daily negative stories about Brown. They give me a laugh.

  3. 3
    MrAngry61 says:

    Well done Guido! I hope that your posts and commenters’ fury made Gordon suicidal.

  4. 4
    Digger says:

    Don’t want stories spread all over the t’internet, don’t sleep with another mans wife!!

  5. 5
    Gordon Brown says:

    I am a Mars bar.

  6. 6
    Anonymous says:

    But aren’t the parties of free speech in power now?

  7. 7
    Crack is whack says:

  8. 8

    Go to work on an egg.
    Or better still…just go to work.

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    PK says:

    Timothy Haynes is a slimy, disgusting, egotist who deserves every inch of opprobrium he has ever received.

    There’s but one way to stop people going round saying you’re having an affair with someone else’s wife……………don’t have affairs with other peoples’ wives.

    Ian Puddick has both my sympathy and admiration.

    I trust justice will see him completely exonerated.

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    Marge Inallyinterested says:

    Rich prick interferes in someone’s life, gets called on it, then bleats like a bitch when the truth comes out.

    Are we supposed to curtail what freedom we have to speak truth because of that?

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    joescotus says:

    gordon brown …classic example of socialist denial…. an arrogant self serving
    c&unt…..too important to turn up at work on a regular basis,force the media to beard all those tits who voted for him.

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    McRuin says:

    I saved the world.

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    Bob R says:

    No matter how widespread and repeated the comments were, they surely cannot be read by more people than, say, one story on the front page of a tabloid. However, the front page of a tabloid is not covered by the various bits of legislation that apply to electronic communications.

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    Shit & Fan says:

    A bit of a jℯw loving religious nut job, but he hit the nail on the head in his introduction on Europe and the Euro.

    I’ll give him that.

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    Lord Mandelbum of Fondleboys says:

    If Timothy Haynes doesn’t like people knowing that he’s an adulterer carrying on an affair with another person’s partner then he should keep his pecker in his pants. Simple as.

    Now, who’s the famous sports personality who allegedly has an injunction preventing a man from naming him for having an adulterous carry on with the man’s wife?

  17. 17
    Gordon Brown says:

    I’ve never cheated on my wife.

  18. 18
    Postlethwaite says:

    er . . . Hang him (by the thumbs)

  19. 19
    Sarah Beard says:

    Neither did I.

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    Jimmy says:

    “There is little she can do about what people write about her online if it is not defamatory or a provable lie.”

    Well she could pretend to sue, but what sort of idiot would advise her to do that?

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    Sympathy for the Devil says:

    Dorries is a an ignorant gobshite, a serial liar, and expenses cheat. Oh, and let’s not forget an adulterer as well. A period of silence from her would be more than welcome.

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    Anonymous says:

    This legal issue already has a precedent, and the matter has been well established and decided by a District Judge — not merely a panel of Magistrates.

    In the scantily reported case of R v Fredrics (2009-10), DJ Kreiman, sitting at the Kingston Magistrates Court on the matter of charges of harassment (s.2 of the Protection from Harassment Act, just as in the case of Ian Puddick) via the setting up and publication of a website that contained documentary evidence and satirical musical/video works, ruled that “Harassment laws were not intended to protect individual reputations.” DJ Kreiman also found that the content of the site was in the public interest. The defendant, Dr Howard Fredrics was found, therefore, to have “no case to answer” and the matter was closed.

    For further information, please see the link: http://www.sirpeterscott.com/images/30.7.10comet.jpg

    It is curious indeed that this matter was not picked up by the major press organisations, thereby suggesting the possibility that they may have received legal threats from the alleged victim’s employer.

  23. 23
    Dick the Prick says:

    Had to leave his job due to stress because he was banging the fella’s wife?!?! Oh do fuck the fuck off. It’s like saying President Assad could sue the rebels because they keep on running into his troops’ bullets. But, with Tuggenhat, Eady & Price knocking about – who the fuck knows these days?

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    labourunionsbbc we are one says:

    A scene in the House of Commens:

    Yesterday upon the stairs, I saw a man who wasn’t there,
    He wasn’t there again today,
    I wish that gordon brown would go away.

  25. 25
    Down With Brown! says:

    If Brown ever sues Guido, there will be millions of people willing to testify that Brown was bonkers.

  26. 26
    Lou Scannon says:

    Never mind Brown being allowed to sue – we should all be allowed to sue Brown for compensation for the misery he brought us.

  27. 27
    Tony E says:

    I think it’s likely to be a case that has little bearing on freedom of the press in regard to politicians, but either way is likely to fall.

    If there was any chance of success in those terms it might have been under the HRA somehow, the rather more sensible ‘Harrassment’ laws should not apply in public discourse and debate in the way that might be feared by political bloggers to protect someone like Brown or Dorries.

    The only reason I think that this could fall into the purview of harassment is that it concerned ‘multiple websites’ – publishing the truth might be deemed reasonable but to continue to such excess might be termed beyond reasonable.

  28. 28
    The Stalwart says:

    It’s all about context.

    Guido was one of the few people trying to hold Brown to account. As Chancellor he was driving the economy into the ground, all whilst trying to undermine the Prime Minister. Yet few reported just how dangerous he was. We should have had more websites to publicise the disaster, to expose just how dangerous Brown was.

    Dorries has views that we can agree with or disagree but she consistently fails to back her ideas with evidence, preferring intuition and bias. Given she gets to vote on public policy, no wonder she is scrutinised.

  29. 29
    Wikispooks says:

    This isn’t about online harassment. It’s about corrupt relationships between private global ‘Security’ Firms and the police. In this case Kroll – the daddy of them all.

  30. 30
    no longer anonymous says:

    True, although the obsession some on the Left have with her (especially a particular blogger who it is best not to name lest he turn up and write a ten page essay on why he’s not obsessive) is frankly bizarre.

  31. 31
    The forces of Evil says:

    Ian Puddick, a small business owner, was raided by anti-terrorist police. WHAT WAS HIS CRIME? He reported his wife’s affair with a top city boss to some of her co-workers. Since then Kroll, a global private investigation frim, the City of London Police serious crimes office and multinational financial giants have placed him under surveillance, brought legal action against him, and placed restraining orders on him. Puddick Stands trail on 15th June 2011 so don’t let them get away with this. Stop the corporate takeover of our Police, Our Laws!


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    Eileen Critchley says:

    Should we tolerate a well known BBC journalist reputedly paid £650k a year quizzing a serving Prime Minster on his mental health whilst he himself enjoys the protection of a super injunction?

    Gordon Brown was a disaster for this country but was punished at the ballot box.

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    Moley. says:

    I’ve never heard of Puddick or his website.

    No one forced the unfaithful wife or cuckolding lover to go on the internet and look at the sites; they could ignore them if they wished. It’s different to telephone calls that have to be answered, letters that have to be opened to see what they are, and knocks at the door which require someone to see who it is.

    What it boils down to is that the only people who looked at the website were the ones who knew the facts anyway, and the internet was not in any way different to a factual newspaper article.

    Now that the Church of England no longer believes in God, it is more important than ever that actions (adultery) which undermine society are discouraged.

    Public opprobrium is about the only mechanism left, and it should apply to the adulterers in this case just as it should apply to celebrities.

    Bloggers need to be careful however that what they say does not constitute incitement to hatred, whether its against a single person or a group in society; there has to be some self restraint.

  34. 34
    Lard Presclott says:

    I would rather go to work on a civil servant…..

  35. 35
    Mrs Duffy says:

    Where’s Gordon?

  36. 36
    Hugh Janus says:

    OT, but the BBCC is trailing a speech today by the Testicular One. Apparently he’s going to lecture the rest of us on the need for tax cuts. Yes, this from a Liebour Shadow Chancellor who, along with his mad master, comprehensively wrecked our economy and, at the same time, almost taxed us out of existence.

    Anything that the Deficit-Denier-in-Chief has to say about tax-cutting is just pure fantasy.

  37. 37
    Odd That says:

    Oddly, you missed out her most important failing which renders her unfit for office. She is an EU loving traitor.

  38. 38
    Archer Karcher says:

    He would have been punished even more had the MSM told the truth about the insane fraudster and pension thief.

  39. 39
    Professor Henry Brubaker, Institute for Studies says:

    There is a big difference between Haynes and Brown/Dorries. Both Brown and Dorries are public figures with positions that could have an impact (disasterous in Browns case) on our lives. Whilst haynes is a bloke waving his dick about.

    Both Brown and Dorries speak publically and made the deliberate choice to be public figures

    Not saying this judgement is correct mind… just putting in a bit of context.

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    Nemo says:

    TE” continue to such excess might be termed beyond reasonable”
    Now that Tony is the thing that sends brings £ signs into lawyers eyes, after what is a “reasonable man” what is reasonable to one man is unreasonable to another.

  41. 41
    Jurgen Alykdis says:

    Oi! you stairin’ at my ‘ero?

  42. 42
    Professor Henry Brubaker, Institute for Studies says:

    Also, Im no lawyer so you Ally Mcbeals out there can correct me if im wrong, but its my understanding that legal precendent cannot be set in a Magistrates court.

    A quick google appears to confirm this.

    Personally I hope he appeals the case. Remember your average magistrate is a pompous do-gooder ‘layperson’, not Judge Judy.

  43. 43
    Gordon Brown says:

    Global gobble global gobble global global globule gobble global globble.

  44. 44
    Jurgen Alykdis says:

    /\ /\ /\ Sarah asked me to pop that in..

  45. 45

    She won. Got a cheque from Damian Bride for her trouble. Some pretense…

  46. 46
    Anonymous says:

    “She is an outspoken woman with strong views, a socially conservative opponent of abortion. In some circles this is a thought-crime.”

    Hang the bitch.

  47. 47
    Anonymous says:

    Sexist pig.

  48. 48
    Nemo says:

    Why bother about Brown now he will not come back just let him drift away, it is now the Millibands and Balls now and their individual acolytes in Liebore + B’Liar as he maybe starting some sort of comeback, Cammeron, Osbourne, and various other individuals in the Cons as they raise their heads. Politicos love publicity, if no one talks about them, they are worried that they are not being noticed, some with do almost anything to get noticed if they do that they may get a lot more publicity than they wanted, not always good.

  49. 49
    Ed Balls, Shallow Chancer says:

    Too far, too fast ! Too far, too fast !!

  50. 50
    A Pensioner says:

    Hardly think this Piddock stuff is important. We are fast approaching anarchy in not just publishing, but all aspects of life. Every man for himself.

  51. 51
    Archer Karcher says:

    It’s a smart move, Cameron’s government is so far to the left that he is exposed to a move to capture traditional right wing voters. Yes I know Bollocks is a serial liar and conniving shit, but then, so is Cameron.

  52. 52
    Nemo says:

    I agree, if your brain rules your todger you will be OK, but if your todger rules your brain you could be in big trouble

  53. 53
    Grumpy Old Man says:

    Is there any real difference in intent between using multiple websites and allowing a post to go viral on Twitter or any other social network? When you consider the power of Facebook, 10 obscure websites is picayune in comparison.

  54. 54
    Any real Conservatives left? says:

    Today’s U Turn


    The government has amended its plans to reform the chief coroner’s office, proposing to transfer its functions but keep it on the statute books.

    lol lol lol lol

  55. 55
    S.B.S says:

    Wow, I am the 1,000,000 visitor to your page and get a gift of an I mac?

  56. 56
    Nemo says:

    If it’s something lawyers can get their teeth in to the judgement and a judge rules in acertain way it becomes law until it is overthrown by a higher court or statute, then, Kerching

  57. 57
    Grumpy Old Man says:

    A reasonable man generally makes allowances for human failings. In the Case of Brown, it is one’s patriotic duty to make an exception. Never Forgive, Never Forget.

  58. 58
    Nemo says:

    I don’t fancy beardy tits

  59. 59
    KROLL says:

    The City of London police do as we tell them.

    Watch yourself.

  60. 60
    Grumpy Old Man says:

    In the case of Gordon, for the sake of the Nation, he’s Better Off Out

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    Must get a pseudonym one day says:

    Me too !

  62. 62
    Man on the Clapham Omnibus says:

    Should have remembered the simple adage: never stir another man’s custard.

  63. 63
    scratch and sniff says:

    the big difference is that dave is a gentleman – he takes his weight on his elbows

  64. 64
    Lady Virginia Droit de Seigneur says:

    This will be interesting – for one thing most people will have some sympathy with the defendant. Having read the article though there were other also threatening phone calls and text messages which will muddy the waters. Personally if it factual then I don’t see a problem.

    If he does get convicted perhaps that woman who Fatarse Prescott has been ringing up and harassing can bring a similar case!!

  65. 65
    Nosferatu's Nostril says:

    They clearly didn’t, unless you subscribe to the ‘living dead’ theory.

  66. 66
    Anonymous says:

    Fuck off I won that yesterday.

  67. 67
    Engineer says:

    Even more hilariously, Balls is accusing the current government of acting in narrow party political interest, by arranging the country’s economic affairs so that tax cuts will be possible before the next election.

    Now, as we all know, Ned Balls would never do anything for narrow party political advantage……would he? [**sarcasm**].

  68. 68
    Tessa Tickles says:

    Rumour has it he shot himself in the head, missing his brain by 6 feet.

  69. 69
    Grumpy Old Man says:

    Nads is a Liverpudlian nurse who was so traumatised by watching viable foetuses gasp out their lives in a bucket that she took action to try to stop it. In the eyes of the left, she is not only a class traitor but also stands against the Fabian concept of institutionalised baby-murdering. Nads has held a mirror in front of abortion on demand apologists. They don’t like what they see and they hate Nads for showing them for what they are. I don’t give a shit if she screws her way round the east Midlands – at her age, more power to her elbow (or whatever) Her campaign to remind society of the humanity of the unborn is a keystone in the retention of our civilised society and we should applaud her for it.

  70. 70

    Yawn ! Are any politicians up yet ?
    this post is crap as i’ve no idea who this bloke is
    nor do i care !

  71. 71
    Gordon Brown says:

    Tax cuts take money out of the economy.

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    Free Speech and all that says:

    Go on, name him, I dare you.

  73. 73

    It shouldn’t be bloody actionable no matter WHAT! If this guy felt stressed and embarrased because of what he did, then so what? Don’t do it! If you go around knocking off someone’s missus you’ve got to expect a potential shitstorm.

    Unless you’re threats of illegal action – violence etc – there should be no place for the lawyers in a private or public squabble. And certainly not criminal sanction. I hope Puddick walks free and the CPS and cops who instigated the case get a bollocking. I doubt it will happen.

    Shame there’s no video.

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    KrollGate says:

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    Anonymous says:

    Who appoints district judges and why would they not be worried about their salaries and commutes in these times of magistrate’s court re-organisations?

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    Grumpy Old Man says:

    Err….. I believe that the findings of Magistrates courts do not set legal precedents.

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    Too lazy for paranoia says:

    I thought Kroll made their money watching everyone, so we didn’t have to bother with that

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    CityPlodGate says:

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    sockpuppet #4 says:

    why do birds suddenly appear, every time, nadine is near?

    First name terms eh guido(I)?

  80. 80
    sockpuppet #4 says:

    We know who nadine is though

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    Lost in the system says:

    Harassment laws are only for the rich anyway.

    I am being harassed by public officials paid for by public taxes. I made a small error, and that was to use an official complaint procedure. It was not even personal, it was against the organization as a whole and was confidential.

    They demanded that I should be “brought in” in response to the complaint and had to sit through a tirade of abuse and insults. They say my actions are mad. They called me crazy etc.. They insulted me, and lied to me, and ridiculed me. They broke the required confidentiality, and have talked to other customers about me.

    But guess what, no one cares. Not one person or organization that should protect the general public will do anything about it. Even when the issue is written in law that they must consider it. The response is that the consideration went as far as them being too busy to bother. The MP ignored the request for help so I am unable to take it to the Ombudsman. A good system, are they on bonuses for not allowing through complaints?

    So good luck to the rich trying to get even in courts. The rest of us are defenceless against harassment and abuse from even public servants. If this case is won would that mean I would not even be able to publish all the evidence of their behaviour once I am safely out of their grip?

  82. 82
    Kroll Boss says:

    I see you clocked on 4 minutes late this morning. Please be at work on time tomorrow.

  83. 83
    Harris Tottle says:

    Hear, hear and well put Grumpy

  84. 84
    Professor Robert Winstons says:

    Fuck this shit Pikey.
    If fort was a crime, the mental spas Brown and his henchmen wud av stuk us all in a dungeon

    I attend this blog for its gay ate stuff, stories bout Millipede being a weird little fuck, taunting of those lawyer fucks, stories bout Balls being a hate filled, twisted fuck, stories bout Brown being a weird, twisted fuck, & tauntin of that sexual deviant Mac summin & stories bout those in the blood soaked fuck Blair’s inner circle all bein at it……and so on and so forf

    Please deal with me concerns on an urgent if not immjit basisss

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    sockpuppet #4 says:

    FFS a-p-p-e-a-r

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    misterned says:

    Whilst I agree with you, I still feel that those who give so much passion into defending the lives of the unborn would be better placed looking at the rights of the already born first.

    In particular I refer to Bush who opined about the rights of the unborn whilst butchering hundreds of thousands of already born people in Iraq in an invasion which we now know was based on lies.

    Let’s make this world a place worth being born into.

  87. 87
    Backwoodsman says:

    Nice post from The Speccie blog :
    “Ed continues on his downward spiral. As I have said in previous posts,this demonstrates how difficult it is to underestimate Ed.”

  88. 88
    KroSch says:

    If Kroll and Schillings were to merge then the rich would truly rule the world.

  89. 89
    Backwoodsman says:

    Even, even even more hilariously , those labour loving fuckers at the bbc are repoting like he came down from the mountain with the words carved in tablets of stone !

  90. 90
    The Scarlet Pimple (on Browns Ar_se) says:

    How else can we vent our feelings about the madness and self centred beliefs of Brown, liebore and the Loony Left.

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    That's News says:

    I had not heard of Mr Timothy Haynes or the allegations that he had or was having an affair with a plumber’s wife. Until Mr Timothy Haynes decided to take this matter to court.

    So it is hats off to Mr Timothy Haynes!

    Well done Mr Timothy Haynes!

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    Afghanistan Banana Stand says:

    … and never forget that Milibland and Balls were part of the Brown era.

    Continually remember/remind others just how crap Brown was and, by association…..

    Labour will be fine in opposition. They must stay there.

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    Gonk says:

    Quite right Nemo. Politicians out of the limelight
    will do almost anything. Look at Lembit Icepick,
    he’d eat his own head to get back on the telly.
    Imagine if Brown went on celebrity come dancing,
    they’d get enormous viewing figures for 20 mins
    followed by a mass population suicide event.

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    Jethro Q. Walrus-Titty says:

    Guido, for you relentless harassment of the former Prime Mentalist-now simply the “Mentalist”-we should be eternally grateful that you helped in a not insubstantial way to terminate his employment.

  95. 95
    Martin Day says:

    David Cameron’s Conservatives appear to have a problem getting their message across

    Latest YouGov/Sun results 15th June CON 36%, LAB 42%, LD 9%;

    APPROVAL -29

  96. 96
    Anonymous says:

    Looks like we are walking into another financial crisis. Soon we will end up with 0% base rate and BOE will be printing more money; i.e. high inflation.

    Osborn’s plan (cut UK give to other countries) has failed.

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    Selohesra says:

    Reading the Telegraph over someones shoulder this am there appeared to be picture of Sam Cam with Ryan Giggs arm around her – I think there must be a big story there – perhaps Guido could investigate.

  98. 98
    Afghanistan Banana Stand says:

    Didn’t he write a lot of car manuals?

  99. 99
    Tony Blair Millionaire says:

    It’s far too important to put in the hands of grotty little oiks like you.

  100. 100
    Yuk says:

    A pro-EU muppet.

    And a Scouser.

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    Anonymous says:

    I understand they contained graphic descriptions and pictures about servicing.

  102. 102
    Anonymous says:

    Another example of the courts being used to cover up wrongdoing. Our Justice system is morally bankrupt.

  103. 103
    Ed Miliband says:

    There ith nothing wrong with playing politicth with canther patienth. It’th what we do. We’re Labour. We alwayth play dirty. There are no depthth to which we won’t thtoop.

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    HappyUK says:

    The likes of Nadine Dorries must unleash some deep-rooted Freudian complex of some sort in the minds of leftists. The amount of vitriol, abuse and harrassment they attract for simply holding the view that it’s wrong to murder unborn babies is staggering. I have often wondered why.

    Was it not Shitbag McBride that once tried to make out Dorries was having an affair with colleagues? Is it not time gutless David Cameron actually came out and denounced this situation and stand up for his colleagues for a change?

    My theory is that no leftist cause is defended with more robustness and more dishonesty than abortion.

    No matter what else your average left-wing cretin pretends to care about – undermining national security, aiding terrorists, taxing and oppressing the middle classes, freeing violent criminals – the single most important item on their agenda is abortion, which goes some way to explaining the venom directed at Dorries, Palin et al.

    Witness the slew of leftist euphemisms for baby-killing: “reproductive freedom,” “a woman’s right to control her own body,” “terminating a pregnancy,” “freedom of choice,” “a woman’s own private medical decision,” “a procedure,” “access to health care,” “family planning,” “our bodies, our selves,” “choice.”

    All typical of the utterly dishonest, nasty left-wing mindset.

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    Ryan Giggs says:


  106. 106
    Tommy Baldwin says:

    Taking advantage of weak strike laws, union leaders see Cameron as more of an Old Etonian arsehole than a Thatcher, who will give ground on public sector pensions.

    David Cameron out !

  107. 107
    Anonymous says:

    The Law is too glib nowdays, for example is it always wrong to “hate” something. Clearly not as its absolutely right to “Hate” many things. Same goes for “Discriminating”.

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    Oooh, get her! says:

  109. 109
    Fake charity Macmillan Cancer Relief says:

    Can we have our cheque now?

  110. 110
    Anonymous says:

    Well done Mr Timonthy Haynes ADULTERER, DECEIVER and SHAGGER of another mans wife !

  111. 111
    Ryan Giggs says:

    The sad thing is this poor bugger should think anybody gives a toss his wife was working under management in various positions for ten years.

    GIve her one for me Tim!

  112. 112
    Kill the unwanted Bastards says:

    Never have understood why the left think it OK to kill Babies.

  113. 113
    Ken's Livingstone's Cuban visa says:

    The end of my marriage was recently featured in the press. The adulteress (formerly ‘er in doors) worked for the royals. I work in the media. The deception was bound to end up in the nationals.

    I got a anonymous note tipping the wink for the ex’s departure. The national paper in question rang her for a comment. She had been briefed by the press office to claim that the separation was ‘a private matter’ and not to comment on her adultery.

    The ex ‘hired’ (ie the palace paid for) Gerard Tyrrell privacy expert and, having worked for post coke Kate Moss and post-rant Galliano, is presumably the patron saint of hopeless cases.

    Tyrrell argued that the separation was ‘a private matter’. The paper’s lawyers countered it was a ‘public act’. The final, brokered, story was heavy on the praise for the ex, but subtly stuck the knife in anyway.

    It would be interesting if the Harassment act was distorted to become another way for foul lawyers to change the law knowing that they can directly benefit by selling themselves as people who can cover up shit-house behaviour.

    My future strategy – for I have not yet finished – is to simply and clearly expose the truth without comment or embellishment.

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    sockpuppet #4 says:

    I’m no fan of nadine, but calling her a m***** is a bit too far.

    Please call them henson-creatures in the future.

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    Fake charity Macmillan Cancer Relief says:

    You’ve cost us a lot of support, you tosser.

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    Moley. says:

    Poor Sue.

    She gets the blame for everything.

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    Engineer says:

    Has anybody ever advanced the argument that if a woman doesn’t want to get pregnant she should either take appropriate contraceptive measures or keep her legs crossed?

    OK – it’s not really a debate in which I hold a strong opinion either way. I can see both sides of the coin. The sheer viciousness of some of the protagonists of either view does baffle me somewhat, though.

    *stands by for Lefty sh@tstorm*

  118. 118
    Les Dennis says:

    You’re my hero. Wish I’d done something when Amanda Holden cheated on me.

  119. 119
    The Labour Parteh says:

    We support the extermination of human life.

  120. 120
    That's News says:

    Timothy Haynes is famous for nothing. Well, not any longer, now we know what he is famous for.

    But it was not Timothy Haynes who wrote the famous manuals but Arthur Haynes. (Or perhaps not.)

  121. 121
    retardEd Miliband says:

    The founding printhiple of the Labour Party ith to defend the interethtth of the vulnerable, and that ith why we fully thupport the math-thlaughter of defenthleth babieth.

  122. 122
    That's News says:

    It never used to be fake. But it has been infiltrated by Labour.

    I cannot donate any more money to Mamillan until they manage to eradicate their parastical infection.

  123. 123
    Suck it, godboy says:

    An embryo isn’t a baby. Funny how the pro-life brigade are vehemently anti abortion, except when they find themselves in a situation with an unwanted pregnancy, hence the various republican congressman who paid for mistresses to get abortions. Praise da lawd!

  124. 124
    Disco Biscuit says:

    Perhaps Haynes shouldn’t have fucked his wife, then.

  125. 125
    Alex Hilton says:

    Ha! Ha! Ha! Ha!

    Latest YouGov/Sun results 15th June CON 36%, LAB 42%, LD 9%;

    APPROVAL -29

  126. 126
    Sally isn't happy says:

  127. 127
    Tessa Tickles says:

    Are you saying that Timothy Haynes (adulterer, deceiver and shagger of another man’s wife), of whom I had previously not heard, is an adulterer, deceiver and shagger of another man’s wife? Is that what you’re saying Timothy Haynes is?

    At least, I don’t think I’d ever heard of Timothy Haynes before, and I’m sure I didn’t know that Timothy Haynes is an adulterer, deceiver and shagger of another man’s wife.

    But I’ve heard of Timothy Haynes now.

  128. 128
    Anonymous says:

    Are you so sure he missed?

  129. 129
  130. 130
    Postlethwaite says:

    Hay . . . er (looks in pocket) . . . nes

  131. 131
    sockpuppet #4 says:

    Do you believe that getting 2% of income from the government makes a charity a fake?

    From your name perhaps you do, Mr. Relief.

  132. 132
    Tessa Tickles says:

    If it ain’t conscious and can’t think, it can be killed?

    Excellent. Which member of Ed Miliband’s shadow cabinet should we terminate first?

  133. 133
    White Van Driver says:

    Just can’t trust the Tories on the UK economy……we’re fucked !

    UK retail sales fell 1.4% in May, official figures have shown, reversing the rise seen in April when sales were boosted by the royal wedding.

    In April, sales had risen 1.1% on the previous month, reflecting a “spike” due to one-off factors, the Office for National Statistics (ONS) said.

    The ONS said May’s sales figures were worse than analysts had expected
    as a result of the half baked policies of the conservative led coalition.

  134. 134
    Tardkilller says:

    Hat tip Captain Quark at the DT RE: Eds twatterthon

    There were thousands upon thousands of questions, some silly, some not.

    So who did Ed actually reply to?

    HolyroodPatter. A political blogger. Yet no question appears in his tweet timeline.

    SpideyAndMickey. A political blogger.

    TheGreenBenches. Founder of a Labour think-tank called GEER.

    Ayse Veli. Labour party member. The first answer he sent to her went to a twitter account she has never used before (@AyseVeli).

    ChaosGerbil. Blogger.

    AlexMcKerrow. Labour Party member.

    Julie T. Haley. Ordinary person.

    ym_newham. Ali Mohamed, elected young mayor of Newham.

    SantaEvita. Vice chair of Constituency Labour Party. Political blogger.

    Emily_Knight. Political aide.

    ChrisBracken. Ordinary person who said of his answer: “Meaningless political blather, soundbite answer, avoided issue completely”

    FauxCornishGirl. Ordinary person.

    MShapland. Liberal Youth National Chair.

    TzarinaDraconis. Ordinary, if somewhat eccentric.

    Chislehurst. Ordinary person.

    Stevesat. Ordinary person.

    samwake. No such person exists on Twitter.

    So that’s 5 ordinary people, 3 political bloggers, and a whopping 9 people who work in politics (including the head of a Labour think tank). And one person who doesn’t exist.

  135. 135
    HappyUK says:

    I take it you do know what an embryo is?

    The beginnings of a brain, spinal cord, heart, and gastrointestinal tract to start with?

  136. 136
    Fake charity Macmillan Cancer Relief says:

    £2.3million of its funding comes from the state. And it assists the Labour Party.

    Because it’s a ‘charity’.

  137. 137
    Anonymous says:

    For alleged fraud by those who should know better see http://corruptioninthecrown.org/ you will need to go well behind the first page for full details. The names concerned may astound you.

  138. 138
    Titford Hat says:

    Yes, a friend of mine is a nurse and she observed an abortion as part of her training. Nobody told her the foetus would move.

  139. 139
    Raving Loon says:

    The reason is that at the heart of Fabianism is support for population control and eugenics. The Greens believe this too (i.e: that we’re “overpopulated”). Abortion disproportionately effect the poor and ethnic minorities and is an unspoken crime in my opinion. Choice for the mother is one thing, but what choice does the baby have? The baby is just executed because he’s an inconvenience. Even killers and rapists get trials but an unborn child has no rights.

  140. 140
    sockpuppet #4 says:

    The deep rooted stuff is that she reminds people of the nagging granny they used to know.

    But its probably not so much the pro-life aspects of her that cause the fuss, just her unerring ability to stick her head over the parapet and shoot herself in the foot. A mean feat of mixed metaphore.

    I have met pro-lifer lefties in the distant past who didnt remind one of the nagging granny.

  141. 141
    Ed Balls says:

    Ha! Ha! Ha! Ha!

    Latest Populus/Times results CON 39%(+2), LAB 40%(+1), LDEM 9%(-2).

    Squeeky-bum time for Adenoid Boy.

  142. 142
    John Bull says:

    Yes lets hear what happened in St Moritz last week which Osborne attended.

    This is normally a secret meeting of top bankers and industrialists but last week there was a great deal of alternate media interest in the fact that there is a move to arrest some members who have escaped imprisonment for their involvement in the financial collapse which has largely not been addressed.

    Come on you lot lets have the truth….. The UK government has been in cohorts with this for years and do what they are told by their lords and masters..

  143. 143
    Go fuck yourself, Blinky says:

    Blinky’s making a speech. Watched a few seconds on Sky before I felt sick. He said a double dip recession isn’t likely. Really? That’s not what you said last year, twat face.

  144. 144
    Voice of experience says:

    More fun with the woman on top. Or cowgirl. Watch ‘em bounce!

  145. 145
    sockpuppet #4 says:

    Its a debate that needs more people who aren’t fanatical about it.

  146. 146
    Alex Hilton says:

    Ha! Ha! Ha! Ha!

    David Cameron’s chums can’t reach 40% and as for Nick Cleggs chums……

  147. 147
    TOO FAR says:

    Once are charity becomes directly involved in politics, or run by a politicly motivated person, it effectively is no longer a charity but a political tool

  148. 148
    Kill the unwanted Bastards says:

    You are wrong. I knew a nurse who assisted NHS abortions and I can assure you that they were mincing up perfectly formed human beings. In the end she could take no more and insisted on a transfer.

  149. 149
    Gonk says:

    Your last paragraph, with one or two adjustments, would
    look marvellous as a policy statement in a party manifesto.
    The truth eh, what a fool I am.
    Sorry for your trouble but seeing your ex described as
    an adulterer adds some cold steel to a sad business.

  150. 150
    sockpuppet #4 says:

    yes 2% of its income. according to some arse with a few web pages he made up.

    I wonder how much of that is actually the government paying for services that McMillan provides for them.

    As for helping the labour party what I don’t quite get is that its a very minor detail of the welfare system we are dealing with there. I don’t quite know how the whole thing got this big, other than its a clear spin campaign. The worse thing is that the dull info was used as an ambush in PMQs, which to me just shows what a bloody farce PMQs is. ie expecting the PM to have every minor detail of every policy and its effects in his head.

  151. 151
    is it says:

    I notice Billy hasn’t arrived at the benefits office yet this morning – or is he checking his legion of comments to see how much trouble he could be in – if so we will not hear from him again until sometime next month

  152. 152
    Wed Ed is Losing says:

    So that works out as Labour 42% v Coalition 45%

  153. 153
    Gordon Brown says:

    I’m cute.

  154. 154
    David Cameron. says:

    To be fair, everyone is allowed to change their minds. In opposition we said we would match Labour spending and only last week I said we would reform the NHS as it was vital to do so.

  155. 155
    Osama the Nazarene says:

    Too early to say. You’re obviously Ed Balls and I claim my fiver.

  156. 156
    Grumpy Old Man says:


  157. 157
    Osama the Nazarene says:

    I’d prefer them about Balls now. Brown is history verging on farce. Balls is dangerous.

  158. 158
    Chris Huhne says:

    “This service is temporarily unavailable, please try again later

    Classic from this blog,it’s what I have come to expect

  159. 159
    Close but no fizzy orange says:

    With a bullet in the head, you’d look very cute.

  160. 160
    Alan Milburn says:

    ” The concessions made to the Lib Dems are a “disaster” and any chance of reforming the health service has been lost for a generation.


  161. 161
    Wavey Davey's u-turn crazy! says:

    To be fair, a lot of politicians said things last year that they’re contradicting today.

    Having watched Camoron lurch from left to right and back again, Balls has spotted an opportunity to outflank him. It’s pitiful and pathetic opportunism, but Cameron’s left himself wide open.

  162. 162
    David Laws Lib Dem fiddler says:

    The power of the state is huge and uncontrollable in the hands of todays corrupt politicians who do not even have the honour to resign when caught red handed. We have seen recent public inquiry white-washes over Iraq war, Dr Kelly’s death, Lady Diana’s death etc. The public will be curtailed from blogs like these to express their view. Politicians use the word democracy as if it exists wholeheartedly in the UK. We all know different. Politicians abuse their power and fail the public on a daily basis leaving national interest at the bottom of the list of their priorities.

    Blogs like these are the only way to avoid the PC brigade and to express a view to hold power hungry corrupt politicians to account in any form. They have complete arrogance and indifference to public opinion or morals. This is our limited way to curtail their activities.

    Billy, prepare a lamp post if the ruling goes against us.

  163. 163
    Titford Hat says:

    Blimey, where to start?

  164. 164
    Osama the Nazarene says:

    +1 Mr Grampy.

  165. 165
    EU troughing pig says:

    I’d say Guy Verhofstadt needs a good kick in the balls from the UK…

  166. 166
    Ed Balls says:


  167. 167
    David Laws Lib Dem fiddler says:

    Oh, as for Norris, Brown, Balls, Cooper, Harman, McClegg, Laws, Huhne, Campbell, Kennedy, Ashdown, Prescott none of them should be in politics, they simply do not have the personal qualities or emotional intelligence to hold public office.

    Those who have abused their office like Blair, Hoon, Campbell (press secretary) should be properly investigated and punished. The MET need to be independent from government, which clearly is not the case. If it was over 300 MPs would have been investigated for expense claims and HMRC would have investigated them for tax offences.

  168. 168
    Osama the Nazarene says:

    So Lord Humph of Today has taken out a super injunction. Well, well, well.

  169. 169
    Zzoooooooooooom! says:

    It must frustrate a man like you, who doesn’t like to hang about.

  170. 170
    Alex Hilton says:

    Mr Balls’ intervention comes a day after Mr Osborne said the UK economy was “well and truly fucked” in his annual Mansion House speech but the recovery would take until the next century due to the policies being implemented by the coalition
    In its recent analysis of the UK economy, the International Monetary Fund said it expected zero growth and rising inflation to be “largely permanent” and suggested the coalition was stark raving bonkers to proceed with its deficit reduction plan.

  171. 171
    Billy Bowden is the greatest umpire ever ! says:

    First they cams for the truth….. i said nothing….

  172. 172
    annette curton says:

    Gordon only signs-on at his benefits office (Westminster branch) about once every three months.

  173. 173
    Fuck the police says:

    Straight outta Compton
    Crazy motherfucka named Ice Cube
    From a gang called Ni**as with Attitude

  174. 174
    Gordon Mc Ding-Dong Napolion Cuckoo says:

    I would like to thank Mr Guido and readers of this blog for their continued support. Without your help I would never have been able to remain as prime minister. You know, as well as I do, that there is much work to be done to tackle the global deficit, which started in america. I forsaw this happening long ago when I sold off treasury gold reserves resulting in a huge saving as the price of bullion plummeted. We are doing the right thing. It is a long, slow journey, but social justice will prevail. Thank you.

  175. 175
    jgm2 says:

    Shitbag McBride that once tried to make out Dorries was having an affair with colleagues

    He wasn’t totally wide of the mark though was he? She’s certainly been having an affair with somebody.

  176. 176
    Moussa Koussa says:

    Today’s U-turn.

    The office for chief coroner was set up in 2009.

    The Cock Cambo vowed to scrap.

    Today, it have been reprieved

    PS …You aint seen me right….No immunity, No deal….. I’m in Qatar seeking asylum, having being granted passage to leave UK from my Mate Dave

  177. 177
    Grumpy Old Man says:

    What’s this (from The Mail):

    “The Puddicks are now back together…

    “Mr Haynes was forced to leave his job … and his former mistress also launched a sexual harassment claim against him.”

    So the righteous Mr Putdick attacks one of the tangoing pair and resumes intimacies with the other.

    Go get ‘im, Haynesy!

  178. 178
    Judge Dredd says:

    Politicians invite attention and encourage opposites to engage in discussion and attract rotten tomatoes ect. It’s part of their job. If they can’t take grief, that doesn’t contain malicious untruths, then they should leave public office.

    Private individuals, however, who have not sort public attention, and whose actions are in no way, in the public interest, perhaps should not be subject to sustained public humiliation and harrasment.
    I suppose it’s where a certain amount of justifiable revenge becomes excessive that the law needs to consider.
    But I doubt the current judiciary is capable of making such decisions.

    Seems like this type of procecution should be be bought privately rather than a matter for the CPS

  179. 179
    Anonymous says:

    Not too early, just look at the sign.

    1) People on dole increased
    2) Growth flat at best
    3) Retail sales negative
    4) Debt increasing at a faster rate

  180. 180
    annette curton says:

    An incomprehensible rant accompanied by much tub thumping, signifying nothing.

  181. 181
    Penfold says:

    Puddick is an aggrieved husband who was wronged by his wife and her lover who happened to be her boss.
    His action is laudable, his action is very restrained, many others may well have committed assault or murder.
    The boss should not have had an affair with a married employee.

    All power to Puddick, freedom to comment and embarrass.

  182. 182
    Woman on a Raft says:

    Considering the weather, a pac-a-mac would be more use.

  183. 183
    misterned says:

    Aren’t KROLL the company that bought up Convair and all the WTC hard drives (which were having the data recovered showing what trades had been transacted as the attacks happened) and closed down the investigation?

  184. 184
    misterned says:

    So the tories are roughly where they were at the last election, (proof being the national council election results where they increased their seats)

    Whereas the Liberal democrats have gone from 22% to 9% and labour have gone from 29% to 42%

    This means that a load of lib-dems never wanted their party in power, or they did not want them in a coalition (in spite of strongly supporting PR which would guarantee coalitions) and now prefer to support a party which invaded Iraq, froze tax allowances whiclt doubling income tax for the poorest and bailed out billioniare bankers, they also created tuition fees, then increased them, strongly pushed ID cards and all sorts of authoritarian police state tracking and control policies. All of which is 100% counter to Lib-Dem policy.

    That 13 percentage points represents a LOT of very confused people who will NEVER support a governing party, (regardless of which party it is) and only exist to bitch and moan in opposition to government, regardless of party.

    I would have thought that the liberal democrat’s supporters would be happy that a massive chunk of their manifesto is going to be implemented. (certianly more than the vote deserved) But they would rather bitch and moan and support the party that they hated when labour was in power. They are even more fuckwitted than the labour’s core supporters.

  185. 185
    Maximus says:

    “abortion on demand” — lol. I call it “industrial scale abortion” in which the UK are world leaders.

  186. 186
    Sunday Morning says:

    Interesting thing is that Tim Haynes is now a joint managing director for a different…….but to illustrate the story the Mail has published pictures of the OTHER joint managing director….!!!!!

  187. 187
    Sunday Morning says:

    The Daily Mail is not going to come out well from this. Instead of illustrating the story with a picture of Tim Haynes, they have used a picture of the other joint managing director of the firm he is now with!!!

  188. 188
    Some Tory boyz are shit says:

    We should be able to express our absolute disgust when a mega crook like Laws is going to promoted for stealing from us on a massive scale. Other posters (Lembit I presume) are equally entitled to post saying ‘he did nothing wrong as he repaid the money’.

    If we don’t have the chance to point out that being caught with your hand in the till and shamefacedly having to pay the money back is actually deeply wrong, or that we don’t want a ‘diddler’ like Lembit as our Mayor then we’ll be living through the looking glass, where media wankers like The Standard will continue to rehabilitate a thief who had a whole week off parliament as ‘punishment’.

  189. 189
    no longer anonymous says:

    I sympathise with her cause but unfortunately she tends to undermine it by making factually incorrect statements (which right-wingers as well as left-wingers have highlighted).

  190. 190
    Ironic says:

    What you say may be true but shouldn’t Laws and Lembit be entitled not to harassed re their ‘diddling’?

    Stealing from us seems to be a Dem pastime and should be valued as such, sans harassment. The poor dears are probably blubbing in distress at this very minute thanks to all the hateful, but true, things said about them.

    Come to think of it isn’t it harassing rapists and paedo’s when they’re crucified in the media for their wrong-doing in much the same way?

  191. 191
    non believer says:

    More than a little surprised to see people on here backing a EU troughing expenses cheat who’s a self confessed liar and who says her online utterances are 70% fiction.

  192. 192
    Billy Bowden is the greatest tosser ever ! says:

    Does this mean that I am not allowed to comment when the tosser makes another pathetic remark?

  193. 193
    Handycock (Teen Fondler) says:

    I am just waiting for the result of this trial before I launch legal action against this site and others for publishing scurrillous facts about me. My grateful business associates in Portsmouth will be paying for the legal action (they can well afford to). It will be in any case, very convenient, as we all use the same Solicitor.

  194. 194
    WVM says:

    He’s been drinking too much of that socialist champagne again, what a fucking drama queen.

  195. 195
    Nemo says:

    Osama maybe because Brown’s knowledge base was of fairly modern history, and Balls was his prime adviser when he was chancellor, could he actually be person responsible for a lot of the miss-management as he was the highly economically degreed person who advised Brown. Brown’s was responsible primarily because he was in charge and did not seem to listen to an alternative view, his job was to weigh the arguements and then make the decisions

  196. 196
    Jimmy says:

    How’s the Draper pretend “writ” coming along? And the one against Gordon? Must be up for trial pretty soon

  197. 197
    Peter Carter-Fuck says:

    “Too far, too fast ! Too far, too fast !!”

    That’s what you used to say when Mad Gordon was fisting you, but it never stopped the bastard. Poor little Edwina Milipede used to speak like a normal person until Grim Gordon used her as his bitch. And yes Oaten, you know what I’m talking about.

  198. 198
    Peter Carter-Fuck says:

    I see you’ve had Sam too. Posh girls are so dirty.

  199. 199
    Andrew says:

    Magistrates’ decisions don’t make legal precedent unless they are taken on appeal to higher courts which few are.

  200. 200
    Hugh Mann says:

    “By the second month, the embryo will kick and jerk if poked at, and by the fourth month the stroking of the eyelids will result in squinting instead of a violent jerking movement: indeed stroking the lips results in sucking behavior.177 Tickling the scalp of the fetus at the surgical induction of labor will result in movement; Liley writes that “stroking the palm of the prolapsed arm elicits a grasp reflex, and to plantar stimulation the footling breech obliges with an upgoing toe.”178 According to Verny, by the fifth or sixth month, the fetus is “as sensitive to touch as any one-year old.179

    In addition, the fetus will respond with “violent movement” to a needle puncture. Goodlin reports that during the performance of “hundreds of amniocenteses” normal, healthy near-term infants would invariably respond to “needle sticks” with movement and drastic fetal heart-rate changes.”


  201. 201
    A Humane but lethal gas says:

    The left have a proud history of slaughter and advocating Genocide just ask George Bernard Shaw .

  202. 202
    Anonymous says:

    Wrong. Magistrates’ Courts DO set precedents. High Court can overturn such precedents, however.

  203. 203
    Anonymous says:

    But as a Director of the largest private insurer, Haynes’ actions are in the Public Interest, particularly if he is investigated for fiddling his expenses.

  204. 204
    Anonymous says:

    Wrong. Sometimes they bring in District Judges in complex cases in Magistrates Court. This happened in my case — R v Fredrics (2010), which set the key legal precedent establishing that harassment laws were not intended to protect individual reputations. This came out of a case whereby I published a whistleblower website exposing allegations of wrongdoing by a group of university officials, and was supported by documentary evidence.

    In such instances legal precedent is set but can be overturned by a High Court ruling.

  205. 205
    Anonymous says:

    Yes they do. When a District Judge hears the case, as happened in R v Fredrics (2010). The matter can be overturned in a higher court, but it is the precedent until such a case happens.

  206. 206
    Anonymous says:

    My turn today.

  207. 207
    Cecil Parkinson says:

    I support the father’s right to choose.

  208. 208
    Mrs Havissham says:

    Puddick is certainly an aggrieved husband and with cause to be aggrieved.
    However I do not understand Mrs Puddick who now seem to be good pals with hubby. Personally, I could not stand to have my private feelings splattered over the Internet and would be divorcing Mr Puddick forthwith.

  209. 209
    Nadine Porkies says:

    Even if she’d never spoken on abortion she’d still receive the vitriol. She’s a compulsive liar and detracts from every debate she contributes to. Speaking of euphemisms, how many ways are there to call someone a liar? ‘Slip of the tongue’ ‘Poorly phrased’, please, it has to stop. She’s got a Tourette-like compulsion to pass off seemingly factual information which she can’t source when challenged; but most remarkably, she lacks the self awareness to know that it makes her look a complete idiot. Poor Nads

  210. 210
    Anonymous says:

    Haynes was a Company Director of the largest reinsurance company in the UK, a publicly traded company with large numbers of customers and shareholders. Misuse of expense accounts to fund an affair by a Company Director is therefore in the public interest.

  211. 211

    Aye then ‘calls in a favour’ that costs £1M of taxpayers’ hard earned dosh (allegedly)
    operation bohan

    Also see Ian Puddick’s comment here

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