June 14th, 2011

Former Insiders Launch “Labour Inc.”

Another day and another Labour faction opens up. Two former insiders have launched a pro-capitalist salvo against Miliband. Calling Labour the “party of the public sector vested interests…the party of tax and spend” and “the party of public service backward compatibility“, they argue that the Eds must “unashamedly place enterprise at the heart of the party”.

Alex Smith, an early Ed backer and his former spinner, has joined forces with unashamed Blairite and former Labour comms guy Luke Bozier. They are putting together a pamphlet that will argue:

“As Ed Miliband considers what the Labour Party should stand for under his leadership, and how the party defines its mission in the post-recessionary age, it is vital that he places enterprise at the very core of that thinking, and at the very heart of what our movement represents. Just paying lip service to business is not enough: Miliband must immerse himself in enterprise, and learn to truly understand and value it.”

The last Labour government went out of their way to damage small businesses, crippling them with regulation and punishing them with tax. The Eds oversaw this from the Treasury. With them now in charge of the party, Guido’s wouldn’t recommend this lot to hold their breath for an epiphany. 


  1. 1

    Wasnt Alex Smith the bloke the took over from Draper at LL?

  2. 2
    Mornington Crescent says:

    Ah, I see – a spinner and a “comms guy”. 100 per cent style, 0 per cent substance.

    Is there anyone – ANYONE, FFS – in UK politics who has actually done/made anything in his or her life, preferably outside Westminster?

  3. 3

    “party of the public sector vested interests…the party of tax and spend”

    Well blow me, a leftie telling the truth.

    They do say that in your late teens/early 20s you become a socailist, then when you start working in the private sector you become a free marketeer.

    Micheal Goves hardest job will be getting all those leftie teachers to teach history properly and explain all the truths about socailisim/marxism and the misery caused by such a destructive force.

  4. 4

    Not more prawn sandwiches?

  5. 5
    lesbian blogger says:

    They are all fakes

  6. 6
    Never forget what ZaNew Liebore did to this country says:

    More Labour infighting! Fabulous! Keep it going, guys! It’s a great laugh for the rest of us.

  7. 7
    davidc says:

    how do all these ‘former insiders’ make a living ?

    are they employed by someone outside the political bubble or are they yet another subspecies of ‘pilgrim’ latching onto the public teat ?

  8. 8
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  9. 9

    Another new pamphlet worth checking out is Pragmatic Radicalism: Ideas from Labour’s New Generation. This is a collection of 15 articles, by Labour thinkers and activists from across the broad church of the Labour Party, addressing key questions facing the country and party. The website goes live soon – http://www.pragmaticradicalism.co.uk.

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    Steve Miliband says:

    He will probably think Enterprise is a car hire company

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    Tankboy says:

    Totally agree – how can you expect any career politician to understand enterprise when they have never actually done a proper commercial job, let alone had to roll their sleeves up, take a gamble with their own money and try and grow a business.

    Even Cameron and Osborne (supposedly on the side of enterprise) have only had fleeting jobs in the private sector as a cynical springboard to a career in politics.

    And as for the Eds, they would never survive the private sector as their approach to commerce is to simply give as much money away as possible, borrow more and give that away. Then when it crashes – run off and blame someone else.

    What a great country we live it – NOT!

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    Tickle Duster says:

    Could they hustle the David Cameron’s Tory party to follow such ideals!!!

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    Tankboy says:

    Billy – they don’t teach history any more because there are too many scary truths for the lefties –

    “If I can’t see it – it doesn’t exist”

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    sockpuppet #4 says:

    A brief view of a teenagers revision book a year or two ago did indeed have stuff about Ukraine in the 1930s.

    I didn’t see the section shows the clear and inevitable links between the employment of five a day officers and eating children though.

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    Old Tory says:

    The Labour Party and its Trade Union chums also lost us mining, car manufacturing, ship building in the 70s… with their bloody minded attitude.

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    Aesop o'Sardis says:

    I could not agree more. My whole outlook was altered by the experience of being self employed. I had worked in armed forces and education all my life until I was offered consulting work in engineering analysis and design.

    Things went well and I started to think about taking on somebody to do my admin. When I saw the burden of responsibility, cost and risk – particularly in employing a woman – I decided against!

    I am sure that I am not the only person who was dissuaded from expanding a viable business with huge potential because of the downside of employing others.

  20. 20

    Neither will Michael Heseltine.

    “Never have so many crustaceans died in vain.”

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    Seems more lucrative to not try says:

    I’ve got a small business and despair at the lack of vision from any of the main Partys.

    Who in the right mind would work their fingers to the bone to pay for reckless Government spending.

    They employ too many people, on too much money, who do far too little.

    Unless I can see added value in any employee they would be gone. How many poor teachers/police officers are they currently and how many have been sacked in the past.

    Its not just the Civil Servents, how can 1% of Slovenia live here?

    Whole countries will be uprooting to live here soon due to our ‘benefits system’.

    If they were starting from scratch who would put a rule in where child benefit would be paid to children in foreign countries (if the children exist at all).

    Then, if not enough take up the offer we will send it anyway in foreign aid!

    There are two ways my business will go:

    1) It will fail due to regulation and the economic mess we are in.

    2) It will be successful and I will move abroad.

    Either way, the Government will lose the tax pennies I will earn them.

    They should be a flat rate tax of 20% for all and the abolition of Child Tax Credits.

    If you pay less tax you can pay for your children, if you don’t work you shouldn’t be having them.

    Sorry for rambling put enough is enough.

  22. 22

    No, they blacklisted you because you are a utter slag who talks bullshit!

  23. 23

    20% ?

    You want the state to steal one fifth of your earnings?

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    Righty Right Wing (Mrs) says:

    “unashamedly place enterprise at the heart of the party”.

    I wonder when rusty Dave Camerons continuity Blue Labour will take that advice?

    * Low taxes

    * Small state

    * Government out of the economy.

    No chance with Heathite Dave at the helm of any of the above happening.

    Blue Labour out.

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    Billy Bowden is the greatest umpire ever ! says:

    You are joking?


    you want the state to steal one fifth of your earnings?

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    regress to child poverty! says:


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    Seems more lucrative to not try says:

    I don’t mind paying a bit extra for Pizza

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    misterned says:

    Considering that when Ed Miliband was asked about his own entrepreneurial experience by business leaders, he tried desperately to change the subject and then when cornered had to concede weakly that he had a grandfather who ran his own business. A grandfather who died before Ed was born. So his only experience of business is being related to a dead man he never met.

    His quip about running the country is “not like delivering a pizza” is stunning when you consider that he has never even so much as delivered a pizza in his own experience. This shows that he is not even fit to deliver a pizza, let alone run a country.

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    Labour destroyed the UK economy says:

    The vast downgrading of manufacturing from 20% to 12% of GDP, along with the loss of 1.7M jobs, shows what labour did to this country.

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    O/T “The truth is we couldn’t defend anything further than the other side of the Channel” Admiral Sir Sandy Woodward:


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    Jabba the Cat says:


  32. 32
    Sungei Patani says:

    And replace it with what? Red Labour?

  33. 33
    Mornington Crescent says:

    “…by Labour thinkers and activists…”

    So, no do-ers, then.

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    Marcus Edwardius says:

    It’s a fair point they make about Labour needing to be more Enterprise centric. However, none of the Labour hierarchy have any experience of real, entrepreneurial business. They are all grown-up student politicians, union officials, lawyers and spouses of politicians – who only understand leftist political theory.

    Labour will destroy this country if they ever get another chance. They couldn’t run a piss up in a brewery without bankrupting it….

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    Jabba the Cat says:

    John Redwood.

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    Anonymous says:

    She was blacklisted because, during a discussion with Anna Botting and Iain Dale about a teenage girl who was murdered by someone in Blackpool, she let out the staggeringly funny line “don’t go for a takeaway in Blackpool”. This attracted lots of protests direct to Sky and to Ofcom.

    Sky obviously prioritising their commercial interests think – correctly – that they can do without Sally Bercow.

    The only surprise is that Sally didn’t take the side of large numbers of girls who had (allegedly) been used for sexual favours by a network of takeaway shop owners in Blackpool. Perhaps her past life has caused her to think that sexual favours are nothings to be given away for a drink or a meal.

    I have not looked into whether any of this was racially motivated, but it wouldn’t surprise me.

    #pathetic #spineless

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    Jabba the Cat says:

    “…by Labour thinkers…”

    Oxymoron residing in there.

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    misterned says:

    They blacklisted you because, politically speaking, you are a nobody, You have the same political interest as a failed labour candidate for a local council, which is all you are. Being the spouse of the Speaker of the House (a strictly political neutral position in theory) should disbar you from ANY political program and news item completely.

    Other than that, WTF have you got to offer other than tasteless sickness inducing photos of you in a bedsheet?

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    Mornington Crescent says:

    Never mind – show us yer tits, love.

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    Simontm says:

    At least someone gets it at the Labour party

    Without business, there’s no receipts, without receipts, there’s no money, without money, no benefits.

    The county is unbalanced and needs rebalancing. I do actually agree that benefits should exist but as a safety net, not a career option.

    Speaking about balance – how willScotland get a decent rating when it is allowed to issue bonds? Or will the UK have to bail it out again.?
    I look forward to true fiscal responsibility from the SNP but I do get the feeling that it will be the Sassanach’s fault once again.

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    Billy Bowden is the greatest umpire ever ! says:

    Just to add.

    The left have already distorted the truth that goes unchallenged.

    They always state that the B7P are right wing looneys , when infact they are a left wing party, They never mention that Hitler was a socailist (But still claim he is a right winger).

    Education needs reform and soon.

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    Tessa Tickles says:

    Would you actually want a pizza that Red Ed had delivered? Wouldn’t there be bits of cheese and peperoni missing, and his fingerprints in it? Perhaps evidence that the whole thing had fallen on the ground, been peeled off the road and stuffed back in the box?

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    Marcus Edwardius says:

    Is a ‘pragmatic radical’ labour activist actually a right wing free Marketeer? Cut the crap. Join the Conservative party and give up the neurotic spinning and rationalisation of your left wing past….

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    Anonymous says:

    So France are on their own?


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    Billy Bowden is the greatest umpire ever ! says:

    A sinner is always welcome to repent.

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    I Remember You Hoo says:

    Now just why is Redwood not involved in government and fools like Cable, May and Spelman are?

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    misterned says:

    It was a joke about a 14 year old girl who was raped and attempted to fight back, but then vanished. It turned out that she had actually been strangled, cut into pieces and served in the food from Funny Boyz fast food shop in Blackpool.

    This was a young innocent girl who became a victim who suffered at the hands of paedo immigrants and Sally thinks that is funny?

    She really is a sick bitch!

  48. 48
    misterned says:

    Better than a half or more of them.

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    Tessa Tickles says:

    “the broad church of the Labour Party”

    Shouldn’t that be “the broad mosque of the Labour Party”, for the sake of inclusiveness?

    Report to Hattie at once, for a jolly good spanking.

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    sockpuppet #4 says:

    so you are familiar with the history curriculum?
    And you could tell me the kind of things that were “left” and “right” in the 19th century.

    How much housing benefit did people on sickness benefit get under the third reich?

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    Marcus Edwardius says:

    The Red Ed Pizza: super thin crust, some Brown sauce and lots and lots of cheese. 25% of the purchase price goes to Unison or a Union if your own choosing…..

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    Engineer says:

    You can’t maintain a large standing Army, a significant Navy, a well-equipped Air Force, a rampant Deficit and a National Debt of over 100% of GDP at the same time. Something has to go, and until the financial woes are behind us, our choices in the matter are very limited.

  53. 53
    I Remember You Hoo says:

    After living through thirteen years of Labour in action, I can assure you I want no more, ever again.

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    Backwoodsman says:

    The labour mindset, is that if you are in the private sector, unless they can fix a contract for you in exchange for party donations/ a consultancy , you are there to be exploited. End of.

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    JH says:

    Translation: The two young gentlemen concerned have transitioned from running glorified school projects to actually making a bit of money, only to see much of the fruit of their thought, effort and productivity taken from them and handed to undeserving, ungrateful, shrill people of all stripes, who have organised themselves to get even more free cash as time goes on.

    Hurts, doesn’t it, fuckers?

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    Phantom says:

    Neither of these showers of s**t have worked one in day in private enterprise..

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    Selohesra says:

    Even Brown?

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    Penfold says:

    Don’t give much for the lad’s chances. They appear to have missed the whole etre of Labour, which is to be socialist and anti-capitalist, statist and anti-private ownership, centralist and anti-freedom.

    I suspect that an elite union hit squad is en-route to take the lads for a short walk carrying some rather heavy weights. Looking rather terminal as we seem to be missing a remore re-education camp in this country.

    Perhaps Alex S. can help Ed sometime in the future!!

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    Polly Styrene says:

    FFS why don’t socialist just give up. They are shyte at economics, shyte at management, shyte at ideas, shyte at relationships, shyte at visual appearance, shyte at finance, shyte at recruitment in fact they are truly shyte at everything a political party needs to run a country.

    Just…just…..just fuck off will you!!!!!!

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    misterned says:

    How about replacing Dave with a real Conservative? One who has had real life experience with business? One who is not going to roll-over and have his tummy tickled by the EU and one who finally is a climate realist, instead of a climate alarmist?

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    Engineer says:

    Agreed, but more worryingly, anybody in the present governing parties with any experience of business seems to be kept well away from any possibility of influencing policy. Remember the way Lord Young was treated?

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    Alan says:

    I don’t understand is this a Magic show ?

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    Billy Bowden is the greatest umpire ever ! says:

    Yep, in hell , one of only two places socailisim works.

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    Tessa Tickles says:

    According to Barnardo’s, one third of British children were living in poverty when Labour came to power in 1997.

    According to Barnardo’s, one third of British children were living in poverty when Labour left power in 2010.

    Between 1997 and 2010, Labour spent £150billion trying to end child poverty.

    That was time and money well spent.

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    Billy Bowden is the greatest umpire ever ! says:

    Not quite true, AS did run Labourlist for a while (Not sure if any union funding went in to ti)

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    Tessa Tickles says:

    I doubt they’ve done much work in the public sector, either.

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    Titford Hat says:

    “Broad synagogue” for the Militwits, surely.

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    Seen it all before says:

    The next Liebour attempt at “re-branding” is well under way now.
    They’ll say and do anything over the next 4 years to stop themselves getting trounced at the next GE. They assume that enough of the electorate are like goldfish and won’t remember the same bullshit they came out with last time and then spent 13 years mostly doing the opposite.
    The attacks on Millitwat and Balls could be an attempt from Blairites and their media allies to get rid of them (not easy with Labour’s leadership process) or merely to set-up their “re-launch” with the line that they came back form these attacks so must be a strong leadership etc, probably over the next few months into conference season, with some convenient polls to prove it of course. Either way, because most of the media are disciples of New Labour, I strongly suspect that this is a set up to try and rejuvinate Labour, who did very badly in the local elections, compared to what they hoped to do and clearly the media’s strategy of shouting “evil Tory cuts” isn’t working for them.

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    I Remember You Hoo says:

    There is no difference between them.
    Tax and spending up under this government, bail outs up under this government, EU contributions up under this government, DfID extortion up under this government, energy prices up under this government, fuel prices up under this government, immigration up under this government, green taxes up under this government, plus we have a shiny new war costing £6 million a day to pay for.
    Will someone take an axe to government spending and cull the insanity?

    Not blue-ZaNu, that’s for sure.

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    Telegraph Mathematician says:

    Inflation stays at two-and-a-half year high
    Rising food prices offset a fall in travel costs to keep inflation rate at 4.5pc – over twice the Bank of England’s 4.5pc target.

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    Mornington Crescent says:

    True enough, Engineer – but we do appear to be maintaining a standing (sinking?) MoD, still spending money like a drunken sailor on shore leave. We don’t necessarily need to cut more, just cut smarter.

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    Anonymous says:

    It’s a mirror process. Blair gets in, Conservatives move left to meet him. Cameron gets in (sort of), and Labour moves right (sort of, not much distance needed) to meet him. Eventually they meet in the middle and disappear up each other’s cowardly arses.

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    Polly Styrene says:

    Very true – Right now we don’t need to defend ourselves against Russia or China, we need to defend against home grown terror and we are well funded to do that. In 10 years time we will be in a position to rebuilt our armed forces for 21st century warfare.

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    I Remember You Hoo says:

    Top down gubmint solutions never work, the socialists are just too stupid to grasp such a simple fact.
    All they do is create an army of Agency or Quango employees who leech all the money away. Far better and more efficient, to not tax the poorest at all.

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    I says:

    That’s because we imported half Asia’s poor children during that period

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    Anonymous says:

    I don’t care what their political views are, they are Labour and therefore should be imprisoned.

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    Jabba the Cat says:

    Because Redwood would settle for nothing less than real cuts in public expenditure and taxes, which doesn’t tie in with the current blue rinse socialism on offer.

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    Sophie Taxpayer says:

    Aided & abetted NOW by Cameron.

    Higher taxes & VAT, higher petrol and diesel prices, more money for the EU, more money for DFID ignores the fact that only private sector enterprise can get us out of the crap that successive Labour and Conservative Governments have dragged us into.

    I cannot for the life of me understand why the left hate rusty Dave so much – he is continuing Labours policies so whats the beef?

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    the last quango in paris says:

    Just a thought but if they don’t like Labour policies, why doin’t they vote Conservative ?

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    Sophie Taxpayer says:

    “Something has to go”

    What, like say The Falklands?

    Any PM that loses the Falklands would be an epcetoral pariah – & rusty Cameron is approaching that point for most real Conservatives as it is.

    If we can afford billions for DFID and the EU – WE CAN AFFORD TOP FUND OUR OWN DEFENCE.

    But mealy mouthed pro EU Dave has an agenda here too – the destruction of the British Armed Forces so that he can have his beloved EU Rapid Reaction Force.

    I despise Cameron more than Brown.

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    The more power the state have the more left wing it is says:

    What !!!! You think Left wing states are defined by what benefits they hand out ???? What a mong !! Lets start by looking up the definition of totalitarianism and take it from there schoolboy !

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    David Laws says:

    Oh hai.

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    Montgomery Cheddar says:

    Idiot relatives fight over will of bankrupt. Does anyone care? Thought not.

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    Billy Bowden is the greatest umpire ever ! says:

    “epiphany. ”

    what a wonderful word.

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    Laugh? I nearly shat myself! says:

    ”post-recessionary age”

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    Tacitus says:

    Interesting that when Millipede was questioned by the Institute of Directors et al at a function dinner, what entrepreneurship existed in his family, he was taken aback and then hesitatingly stated his grandfather had been in business.
    You could not make it up.

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    I Remember You Hoo says:

    What planet are you two living on?
    We can’t afford an Army, Navy and Air Force, because we are squandering billions of pounds on sweet F.A. like a huge DfID budget, increased EU contributions and bail outs, as well as £720 BILLION on red Ed’s Climate change bollocks alone, just to mention three of many idiocies.
    Thank fuck I left the Tory party years ago.
    It appears that the members are as stupid as it’s leaders these days.

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    The Gail Porter Syndrome says:

    Come on Sally we’re still waiting for the inevitable photo of your bare arse beamed onto the side of Big ben. You know you want to .

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    Tacitus says:

    You mean the second great famine caused by Stalin?

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    Someone who has actually delivered things says:

    This is important – if the spoilt rich kid at the head of Labour had done some actual jobs, perhaps he would understand the ways in which the honest work of government *should be* like the honest work of delivering pizzas.

    Or any of the other honest jobs he sneers at.

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    Keeping up with Guido says:

    Celebrity lawyer Nick Freeman sparked outrage against anti-rape campaigners today after claiming women can ‘victimise’ men by dressing in a sexually provocative way.
    The 54-year old solicitor – named Mr Loophole – said females who dress in ‘racy’ red underwear, skimpy tops and fishnet tights and giraffe necked stilettos conveyed a message they only had sex on their minds.
    He accused those women who insisted they dressed for themselves and not men of lying – and urged them to ‘take more responsibility’ when choosing how they act and what they wear.

    Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2003380/Lawyer-Nick-Freeman-says-women-dress-provocatively-victimise-men.html#ixzz1PFRIRN6T

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    I Remember You Hoo says:

    The Conservative party is ‘a right wing free marketeer’ party? Are you taking large amounts of acid?

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    Never a huge Heseltine fan, Jabba, (he was too lefty) but this was one of his finest moments.

    Labour, under John Smith, were courting the City with lunchtime meetings and it had it’s effect. They probably felt they should get onside with Labour as the Conservatives had been in office for four terms and were likely to win anyway.

    One just wonders, if they had their time all over again, given the stinking mess of debt and red tape that Labour created, whether they would still have accepted the 30 pieces of silverfish…

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    (delete grocer’s apostrophe)

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    I Remember You Hoo says:

    RetedEd has policies? Where?

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    Titford Hat says:

    Depends what you mean by poverty. When my mother went to school in the 1920s there were kids there with no shoes. Nowadays poverty to many people means not having the latest designer trainers (fergawdsake) and a vast plasma TV.

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    sockpuppet #4 says:

    I think its unsubtle and ridiculous to try to make out that there are two boxes in which to place all political systems of the last 200 years.

    Too subtle for you perhaps. although you did notice it was rather an incongrous statement, so thats a start. 2/10.

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    Anonymous says:

    A real conservative would be great but you are fantasising.
    Eg. Do you know how the average dickhead believes the NHS should be run and paid for?

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    Clarence says:

    I always had the feeling that Gordon Brown regarded small-business-owners and sole traders with contempt – as was often said here, such people were seemingly regarded as borderline criminals.

    Ed Miliband now has a golden opportunity to show he is a friend of small and medium businesses.

    So what did he say at his relaunch yesterday?

    Ed said that private companies could be required to publish the pay ratio between their highest earning executive and the average member of staff.


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    Polly Styrene says:

    You are not a Conservative, you are a fairweather friend at best and a scummy socialist troll at worst.

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    Tacitus says:

    Labour never have, or ever will, understand the private sector or the military.
    Now we have a Conservative party in power who should know about both but so rusty as to be on a very long learning curve. Then in addition they have the Limp Dems who never had any understanding of anything except their own P45’s and egos’.
    At a Midlands meeting on the Regional Growth Fund a “business leader” from an out of town university stated that the universities were getting involved in the selection of business consultants and mentors that the government wish to use to advise SME’s.
    If this was true it is a giant step too far and this message was actively voiced. He even stated that the universities operated in the private sector.
    With idiots like this in quango committees we will not need the Labour Party to show us how to do disaster. Cameron needs to wake up and smell the coffee.

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    Penfold says:

    Well both of the idiots have never worked in the private sector…..

    As for the Millipede, what do you expect from a family, who’se employment history is being Marxist “thinkers” and “historians” and guzzling vast amounts of liquids whilst discoursing with like minded “thinkers” and “activists” and relying on the state sector for monies.

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    Ivan Agenda says:

    Without the word government cuts and NHS the BBC would lose half their content and narrative.

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    A Pedant says:

    Grocers’ apostrophe, surely?

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    the only way is anal says:

    lucky we choose to increase foreign aid – top of all sensible patriots’ priority list.

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    the only way is anal says:

    no – he’s just been asleep for 6 years

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    WokinghamChris says:

    Oi, your’e dead.

    It’s against the rules to post on here when your’e dead.

    Otherwise we’d have them all on here:

    – Alexander the Great;

    – Napoleon;

    – Ndaba Ndingi (Rubber Dingy) Sitole;

    – Hitler/Stalin (samething, really); and

    – Gordon Brown etc.

    See what I mean?

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    Postlethwaite says:

    the history curriculum?

    Yes, Admiral Nelson was a black man and Churchill started the second world war.

    Housing benefit was given to everyone in the socialist third reich. That’s what socialist states do.

    Didn’t you learn anything?

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    Only if you were talking about a number of grocers. The convention appears to be to use the singular.

    Not all French polishers are French, even contingently.

  110. 110

    Only if you were talking about a number of grocers. The convention app.ears to be to use the singular.

    Not all French polishers are French, even contingently.

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    Fred Needlestreet says:

    2% ?

  112. 112
    Tankboy says:

    One of the 1st things the state did to create jobs in 30s Germany was to start building motorways all over the country, even though there were not many cars. And lets not forget the Aryan holiday camps – these were not private sector enterprises but state owned and controlled ventures to essentially nationalise the country under a socialist regime.

    It was all in the name really – National Socialist German Workers Party!!!!

  113. 113
    Cato Street Conspirator says:

    ‘They’ll say and do anything over the next 4 years to stop themselves getting trounced at the next GE.’

    Like the Tories after 1997 do you mean? They’re all the same Seen it. Why don’t you realise?

  114. 114
    Cato Street Conspirator says:

    And introducing the Cameronian Pizza – you never know what’s in it because they take it back for a ‘rethink’ just as it comes to the table.

  115. 115
    misterned says:

    The NHS is a national treasure in the minds of the nation. Whether that is true, or not, in reality is another matter, but it is the number one public policy to be defended in the opinions of most people.

    Had I been health secretary I would have held a brief consultation exercise to ascertain what the nation actually wants from the NHS. IF, as I suspect, they want the best health care in the world, then I would have to discover what the best health health care system in the world currently is.

    Setting guidelines for waiting times, outcomes, quality of care for the rich and poor, access, choice and availability, I would set an independent panel the instructions to look at every health care system in the world and discover which one is the best.

    I would be looking at outcomes, and waiting times and treatments and costs. Then after we have ascertained which system is the best, regardless of if it is wholly private, or wholly state funded, or a combination of the two, I would then ensure that this system is widely communicated and then fully implemented, with a view to continuous assessment and improvement. Constant never ending improvement must be implemented throughout the system. Savings must be found and efficiencies implemented to allow for new treatments to be paid for.

    It’s not rocket science. There is no need to invent a new system and then try to sell it to the people providing it and then to a sceptical and ignorant public.

    Find out what is actually the best system in the world currently, which one works best for patients (rich and poor alike) and then implement that. The public will be wholly behind having “the best system in the world” regardless of cost or private vs public. with the public demanding this system, the health care providers will have to comply.

  116. 116
    misterned says:

    I would say that all three parties are already there in terms of the left-right axis.

    The only difference is where the parties are on the libertarian-authoritarian axis. Conservatives and Liberals have made the public slightly more free and they have reduced the authoritarianism of the state, a little bit. Security is stepped up at times of threat, like the royal wedding, but overall with ID cards scrapped, Contact point scrapped, less intrusive laws regarding local authorities with restriction on how much spying a local authority can indulge in… We are more free as a people today than we were in May 2010.

    On some occasions this has gone to extremes when, for instance, a prisoner was freed because of his human right to enjoy a family life. But over-all we are more free today than we were under the authoritarianism of Blair and Brown.

  117. 117
    misterned says:

    True. The Rowntree Foundation keep redefining what poverty actually is in this country, because if poverty were eliminated, there would be no need of charities and organisations like theirs fighting to tackle poverty (and making a shit load of money in the process).

  118. 118
    Anonymous says:

    Government = management.
    Modus operandi = Delegate all responsibility.
    Shift all the blame.
    Appropriate all the credit.

  119. 119
    misterned says:

    I cannot understand why the tories cut the EMA payments to British students and spent more than that in Pakistan!

    Or put another way I cannot understand why the tories cut 500 million quid paying British sixth formers to get pissed and start fights and rip up Hospital A+E departments each weekend by way of a bribe to stay in education to 18, when staying on in education to 18 will become compulsory soon anyway, and spent more than that on funding non-radical, pro-western education in the terrorist hot-bed of Pakistan instead….

    Oh, hang on….

  120. 120
    misterned says:

    You didn’t see the last budget, condemned by labour but welcomed by international business and the CBI, IOD, and every pro-business think tank as a way of reducing unemployment and getting Britain working. The last few months unemployment figures appear to show it working (albeit slowly) already.

  121. 121
    misterned says:

    Actually the plan is for the EU to replace the UK and France in the UN security council. When that happens, Argentina will apply to the UN to have them look at the sovereignty of the Falklands anew. The EU, USA and the rest of the Security council will find in the Argentine’s favour and the UN will give ‘Las Malvinas” to Argentina without a shot being fired.

    By then our military will have been merged into the EU and we will be powerless to defend the Falklands and to do so would be seen as illegal anyway as “Las Malvinas” will be considered Argentinian under international law by then.

    This may take another 10 – 20 years, but it has been agreed by the Argentinians and the Americans and some ‘Latin’ EU countries already.

  122. 122

    Its a corporate fascist state. Doesn’t matter who is in power, Labour/Tories you will get the same policies.

  123. 123
    happy expat says:

    That perfectly describes my old office – and provides 99% of the reason why me and the missus opted for sunnier climes and less oppressive circs.

  124. 124
    Gordon Brown says:

    Look at what extended Labour policies have done for Scotland. It is verging on the brink of being a third world country.

  125. 125
    Handycock, No1 Trougher in Parliament says:

    I am a politician who understands enterprise. Visit Portsmouth and you will see why. I have been involved in business here for years and it is very lucrative. I am currently enjoying a short break in my Villa on the Costa Del Crime. Boaz boys, keep those planning applications coming in.

  126. 126
    happy expat says:

    Put all your effort into option 2 for a while and then come and join us in the sun! The more the merrier.

  127. 127
    Tiger in ze tank says:

    Can you explain how, if petrol and diesel costs increased, travel costs decreased??

  128. 128
    Sir Keith Joseph's Ghost says:

    Absolutely correct Misterned. The trouble is you are probably a competent Manager and NHS reforms are being run by politicians, managerial fuckwits who have either failed at their chosen career or never had one in the first place.

  129. 129
    Gordon Brown says:

    Rubbish look what Labour did for Scotland. Now a proud member of the third world.

  130. 130
    Marcus Edwardius says:

    13 years ago when I started my own business I went to the local Business Link. What a bunch of idiots. They looked and sounded like a bunch of burnt-out civil servants. I remeber the guy giving me some leaflets and telling to “come back in 3 months”. I remember thinking ‘I will be lucky to still be in business in 3 months. Thanks for giving me the heads-up on what a waste of space the Business Link is”.

    Needless to say, I never darkened their door again. I got stuck in – and am still here in 2011 with two comapnies going strong (and not one public sector contract on the books….).

  131. 131
    Ed. says:

    We don’t do enterprise. But since you mention it where does all that money come from? Is it the outreach workers who get from somewhere…………..

  132. 132
    Rufus T. Firefly says:

    That’s put me right off my cocao

  133. 133
    Nemo says:

    Or reheating because it too cold because of all the messing around

  134. 134
    Those demon-eyes posters were right says:

    Isn’t the other one embarrassingly besotted with Caroline Flint?


  135. 135

    Strewth, that’s the second time recently I have heard (someone in) Labour talking sense.

    Last time it was James Purnell.

    Whatever next? Perhaps Labour will suggest pulling out of Europe and I might consider the unthinkable; Having made that mistake just once I am loathe to make it again. Still, I suppose there is always the unions to remind me of what Labour really stand for, as we are already having our expectations managed over the muscle flexing they are considering in the Autumn.

    I am really hoping that everyone, union union members included realise soon that it is the unions themselves that are the albatross round our necks.

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