June 13th, 2011

Mrs Miliband’s Pain: Graphic Backstabbing


  1. 1
    DisgustedOfTunbridgeWells says:

    Today it’s the Milliband show, normal service tomorrow

  2. 2
    MAD FRANKIE HADDOCK son of COD says:

    second ?

  3. 3
    Politicians are CUNTS says:

    so that c*u*n*t cameron is sending more of our money to africa whils poor and disabled people in the uk are paying off the defecit and going hungry – what a bastard he is

  4. 4
    MAD FRANKIE HADDOCK son of COD says:

    By the end of today ,
    At least fifty people will know who Ed ReallyBland really is

  5. 5
    Down With Brown! says:

    At last we know the difference between the Miliblands. David likes bananas, but Ed prefers chocolate and pizza.

  6. 6
    DisgustedOfTunbridgeWells says:

    At least Bill Gates is giving his own money away.

  7. 7
    Any conservatives left out there? says:

    Great coverage of Millibands problems is a smoke screen for the problems that Cameron is having with the Liberals

    Labour should be destroying their daily u turns

  8. 8
    JakValue says:

    I love it how they’ve characterised David with a banana that he just can’t seem to put down!

  9. 9
    Politicians are CUNTS says:

    cameron and the so called coalition – the one nobody voted for – are really fucking up this country for the majority. he seems to go headlong into things without due consideration and is as spendthrift as brown with OUR MONEY

    unfortunately the british public has no control over these people so they do what they like – i think its called fascism

  10. 10
    nell says:

    Which mrsmilitwit are we talking about here?

    Is it mrs brownite edmilitwit the junior, just married for political purposes.

    mrs bliarite davemilitwit who’d quite like dave to accept the uk ambassador to the us job so that they could retire in relative comfort to washington or

    the leftwing matriarch mrsmarionmilitwit who is desperately trying to get her son into no.10 so that he can turn the uk into her vision of a cuban commie dream!

    Welcome to the militwit family of coronation street!

  11. 11

    Beware the sharpened banana! OK mate? Been up the mines? Take that sax player and give her some Scafell Pike…

  12. 12
    nell says:

    Really? You know some disabled people who are really starving to death here in the uk?

    What are you doing to help them?!!

  13. 13
    Anonymous says:

    The “control” is retrospective unfortunately.We can only remove them at election time. That’s the way the politicos want it because it doesn’t work to any significant extent & so they can continue pigging out at the trough & fouling up the country irrespective of which party gains power.

  14. 14
    No 22 of 50 says:

    Is he the guy that delivers Pizza’s in Primrose Hill?

  15. 15
    nell says:

    I suspect that several hundred more watching that speech today now know what militwit really isn’t!!

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    Engineer says:

    When you put it like that, the whole thing does sound like a Soap Opera. I suppose the battle is so bitter because there is so little at stake – just the chance to be Leader of the Opposition for the forseeable future, a chance to ‘mind the shop’ until someone with vision and charisma comes along in a few years time. Sad, really. (Cue end credits and theme tune….)

  18. 18
    Anonymous says:

    The poll tax riots was one method of control that was successful.

  19. 19

    Dave really is the heir to blair

  20. 20
    Another day another fuck up comes to light says:

    The head of the Royal Navy has warned that the fleet will not be able to continue the current scale of operations around Libya beyond the summer unless ministers take tough decisions about what they want to prioritise.

    Admiral Sir Mark Stanhope, the First Sea Lord, said the navy had planned for a six-month commitment but that the government would have to make “challenging decisions” about what it wanted to do thereafter.

    Stanhope also conceded that if the aircraft carrier Ark Royal and its Harrier jump jets had not been mothballed last year, they would have been deployed to the Mediterranean.

    This would have been cheaper – and made operations more reactive – than flying planes from the Italian base at Gioia del Colle, he said.

    But he insisted the constant jibes about the loss of the ship and the aircraft were having a “corrosive” effect on navy morale. “There is far too much about what could have been,” he said.

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    Engineer says:

    Yeah – if Super Ed Miliband was PM, the whole situation would be under complete control in a jiffy (NOT).

  22. 22
    nell says:

    Well No.

    In all honesty davemilitwit was the real heir to bliar but that dream’s gone now and labour are scuttling fast towards michael foot’s left.

    Even kinnochio, edmilitwit or bullyballs aren’t going to be able to satisfy labour’s bloodlust for marxism this time next year.

    The only viable trotskyite characters remaining to lead them into leftwing annihiliation after these backstabbing operations are over are going to be yvettecooper and hattyharpic.

  23. 23
    Anonymous says:

    As he is not the PM, I don’t know. But looking at Cameron’s performance, he doesn’t need help to fuck this country up.

  24. 24
    AC1 says:

    Didn’t we just scrap the only carrier to pay for the two new “carriers*” to be built in a labour marginal?

    *No planes will fly off them as no most left.

  25. 25
    Maria Ventura says:

    I do

    fuck you

    you know nothink

  26. 26
    Crash says:

    I doubt Ed would have been any better, that doesn’t mean Dave shouldn’t be criticized. How about paying people housing benefit to live in London in zones 1,2,3. The bill is huge. How immigrant families with 8 kids get to Kensington before finding that they are homeless I don’t know.

  27. 27
    Crash says:

    And by that I meant we should cut that first, not impose some astronomical limit on the total benefits that can be paid out.

  28. 28
    Anonymous says:

    I am informed that the RAF sends Puma helicopters by road all the way from RAF Benson (Oxfordshire) to Romania for maintenance (yes: Romania). Convoys of trucks set out every few weeks for Dracula’s workshop, escorted by an NCO in a ‘wide-load’ warning van. Low-loaders carry helicopters with RAF markings disguised, and a final truck is full of spares. They stay overnight at USAF Ramstein, near Frankfurt. A few weeks later they do the journey in reverse, because flight testing may not be carried out in Romania. Thus, fully serviceable aircraft are trucked all the way home again. Meanwhile, larger RAF aircraft fly to France for painting, because the French do not enforce with rigour the EU COSH regulations (control of substances hazardous to health) and thus it is cheaper than using British labour with full COSH coverage. You couldn’t make it up, could you?


  29. 29
    W.W. says:

    “The head of the Royal Navy has warned that the fleet will not be able to continue the current scale of operations around Libya beyond the summer ”



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    The name is Cock, Handycock says:

    Governments and politicians have to prioritise meagre resources. The First Sea Lord may be upset about losing the Ark Royal, but nowhere near as upset as us MP’s losing our old expenses system. With the fiscal crisis now brought upon us by political mismanagement of the economy, painful decisions have to be made, and, if it means cutting an Aircraft Carrier versus cutting MP’s jollies abroad. The Aircraft Carrier will be cut every time. Jahbulon.

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    W.W. says:

    Well why not go around and cook them some tea or alert their sittuation to the social services or MENCAP, or whatever they are called now a days.

    If I knew of a disabled person starving to death, I like to think I would have better things to do than posting on here.


  32. 32
    Crash says:

    Perhaps nobody starves to death but we have disabled people living on sink estates, constant victims of crime and bullying, because we don’t have suitable accommodation for them. We have mentally ill and elderly people living in substandard accommodation with substandard care. If we had more money (or less debt) we could improve this slightly. Dave has no interest in helping the weakest in our society, he prefers to send our troops to their deaths abroad while pretending to attack the benefits culture at home only to be told that he can’t by the lib dems.

    The Conservative party are no good to anybody if they are forced into half measures. Dave seems to be perfectly happy with ineffective half measures so long as it improves his polling in the short term.

  33. 33
    Chimera with two Eds says:


  34. 34
    AC1 says:

    Why not do both?

    Council houses should be state houses… The state should find you the cheapest place in the country to be unemployed freeing houses for workers, and reducing rents too!

    Win for taxpayers, and win for workers.

  35. 35
    AC1 says:

    We certainly don’t seem to have enough “accommodation” for the perpetrators of crime…

    3 strikes and you live out your days in a tent on anthrax island would have an ameliorating effect on victims of crimes (and be a vote winner).

  36. 36
    Hells Bells. says:

    Just looking after his prospects for after the next election and at our expense. People who are about to be laid off as part of the cuts will of course not be overly impressed. I’m all for charity but how about letting people choose how much and to what charity they donate. I know thats really really radical and will be considered too democratic for words, even to a party that usually waxes lyrical about choice.

    A multi mllionaire being generous with the tax dollar of people on £12k per annum isn’t really generosity is it?

  37. 37
    Diidler dem hater says:

    F uck off Gadaafi lover.

    Keep it up Dave. Kudos to you and Hague re Libya. That’s one thing you very definately didn’t mess up.

  38. 38
    nell says:

    You need to join young nell and I and our young people’s disabled group.

    At the moment they are working towards their royalyachtingassociationI badge, just starting canoeing, spending weekends bowling, learning to swim with or without aids and enjoying visits to the cinema.

    Our kids are autistic, paraplegic, disabled mentally and physically in many ways. It doesn’t mean they can’t live life to the full. And it sure as hell doesn’t mean they have to starve, at least not in the uk.

    So grow up, be positive, go and join a group to help them , like some of the rest of us do and stop being such a negative leftwing twit!!

    You actually might find yourself amazed at their resilence, their determination and their skills, some of which will exceed even yours!

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    Lembit Opik up my tab please says:

    Too right. I really miss MP’s jollies anywhere.

    Here’s hoping for the Mayor’s office or failing that the Lords, where they seem to like people as ‘honest’ as me.

  40. 40
    Diddler dem hater says:

    Keep it up Dave.

    You may be a fcuk up intellectually but your moral compass is pointing in the right direction.

  41. 41
    nell says:

    You’re living in a really funny place.

    My mother is well into her nineties and in residential care alongside 70 other dear old souls. They are well looked after, well fed with a chef who understands how to cook spotty dick and stew and dumplings or beer batterecd fish and chips, nursed, entertainment brought in, even boutiques giving fashion shows of reasonably prices clothes they can afford to buy with their small incomes.

  42. 42
    Crash says:

    Yep if only we still had Australia for that purpose, though now they have an infinitely more sensible immigration (and probably economic) policy than us.

    I’m not against the disabled being given a decent place to live by the state. What pisses me off is perfectly able people taking housing benefit because they are either completely uninterested in working, or completely deluded and holding out for that writing job in a subject they got their MA in, I know people in both categories, chronic lefties who think they deserve to life in central London because they are smart enough to turn up and demand to be housed. It makes me sick and glad to be leaving the UK soon, I pity anybody who is stuck here.

  43. 43
    nell says:

    I think you’re being a bit unfair to davemilitwit when it’s his brother ed who’s leader of the opposition and is the original son of gordon (politically that is) who claimed the moral compass.

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    Lembit Opik up my tab please says:

    Are there any of David Laws ex boyfriends out there who’ve given him a BJ? If there are could you post about it as I’ve often wondered what corruption tasted like.

    Oh shut up! I’m not in the same league as him. Comparing him to me is like comparing Jack the ripper to Mike Handycock.

  45. 45
    Legz a Kimbo says:

  46. 46
    MAD FRANKIE HADDOCK son of COD says:

    I’d rather take her up the cragg mate
    with the “old man”of Coniston !

  47. 47
    Mr Angry's silk stockings says:

    I agree that they’re really fucking up this country for the majority and it is called facism but I don’t want us to lose the next election. Boris for PM anyone?

    I don’t see anything wrong with being honest in manifesto’s. It’s better than being an easy target for archbishops.

    Oh for the next state educated Maggie, but because of Dave’s education policies we seem to be guaranteed a stream of privileged f uckwits.

  48. 48
    Priorities says:

    Also Dave is on the News right now solving the problems of Mozambique and that doest come cheap !

  49. 49
    MAD FRANKIE HADDOCK son of COD says:

    You leave posts like politicians are C.U.N.T.S on and delete mine ? ? ?
    The mind boggles

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    All Politicians are CUN TS is in fact a stupid C UNT himself says:

    Just out of curiosity, which party did the country vote for in your opinion.

  51. 51
    Anonymous says:

    Maria Ventura is obviously wearing those ‘slimming’ glasses, that makes everything look thin. She thinks that all those kids with increasing obesity in this country are actually emaciated corpses, lol!

  52. 52
    Politicians are CUNTS esp dave says:

    by sending this money to africa for injections (if they ever happen) all cameronc*u*n*t is doing is enabling those kids to live longer in poverty and violence. he’s not interested in dealing with the real issues of african corruption and western exploitation

    keeping them in poverty and violence – that’s about right for cameron

  53. 53
    Late to the party says:

    Based on channel 4 news last week Dave seemingly see’s himself as the heir to Bliar but Bliar (it pains me to say this as I truly hate him after Iraq) seemed to be very intelligent. Poor old Dave seems like he’d have trouble tying his laces.

  54. 54
    Late to the party says:

    All 3.

    With a decent Tory leader it would have been the Tories by a mile after 13 years of Bliar and Brown.

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    gildedtumbril says:

    All these political bastards have a ‘moral compass’. I believe they keep it stuffed up the same orifice as the Absentee of Fife. We all, surely, know he kept or even still keeps his moral compass stuck up his wee scots jessie anus. It now seems like a lifetime since he left the Downing Street Bunker and we became lumbered with an even worse traitor; daffy camoron and his two brokeback boyfriends ruprecht cleggover and cable the eejit.

  56. 56
    Bill E Ous says:

    Good, take the fuckers’ HMS Tone and Cher aircraft carriers away from them and put the money into proper defence then.

  57. 57
    gildedtumbril says:

    Poll tax riots successful? Ballox. The bastard council tax is astronomical. I expect to buy a frigging house for that annual ripoff. Is there a damned thing in Britain, (Taxmania) that is not jacked up in price by bastard foreigners or the thieving government?

  58. 58
    Julian says:

    It’s just a (slight) jump to the left
    And then a (ever so, but not really) step to the right
    With your hands on your hips (in a none menacing totally non-sexual … honest Yvette … manner)
    You bring your knees in tight (Gordon used to love that)
    But it’s the pelvic thrust that really drives you insane (yep, he loved that one as well DIDN’T HE ED?),
    Let’s do the Time Warp again! (Yippee, its 1994 all over again!)

  59. 59
    Late to the party says:

    Clearly you’re not a cynic.

    I think it takes real balls to commit to aid in the current economic climate.

    Kudos to you Dave.

    Clegg and Vince are not his friends. They’ve got him by the balls.

  60. 60
    gildedtumbril says:

    There is no such insect as a ‘decent tory, (toerag) leader, nor labour nor liberal dhimwit. They are all treasonous shits.

  61. 61
    gildedtumbril says:

    A recent comment of mine appeared to disappear and shows no sign of reappearing. I cannot remember what I said. I feel sure it was neither inflammatory nor libellous.I feel sur it was quite innocuous, as I always am, in print.

  62. 62
    Anonymous says:

    I’m intrigued Frankie. Give us a rough idea of what your post was.

  63. 63
    A reasonable but angry man says:

    It is a sad but true fact that the profound incompetence, over a whole generation, of the good Admiral (and his Navy, Army and Air Force chums) has placed us in the position he laments. As we look back over the disastrous and enfeebling procurements of the last 20 years and the ones to which we are still committed, like two aircraft carriers that will be sold as soon as they are built (remember the Upholder class submarines my fishy mates), we shouldn’t think that the upward-looking duffers who embarked on those farcically optimistic ventures have all gone out to grass. Not so, I’m afraid. They were just learning. The current generation of 3 and 4 star clowns are the guilty ones and they’re still there. And it’s not just about crap procurement. Seek out the names of those who designed, implemented and applauded themselves in Basra – before we discovered it to be a fatal and national embaressment – and you will find them still there in Whitehall, but promoted. Just as in the NHS we have in the MOD a cadre of appalling leaders, who have learned only three things in all their spangled ‘public service’ careers. How to forgive themselves almost anything as they accept their promotions and their gongs. How to chant the mantras of leadership, as they wave the shroud. How to position themselves and their pensions for a little retirement work on the other side of the fence. Go and read ‘Samuel Pepys, The Saviour of the Navy’ by Arthur Bryant, Admiral Stanhope. Then feel asjhamed. Then resign.

  64. 64
    Late to the party says:

    I disagree.

    I think there are actually quite a few decent politicians – of all parties, even the dems – both now and historically.

    There are also politicians with good and bad qualities and who propose good and bad policies, much like us voters and human beings generally.

  65. 65
    Eeu to me says:

    That tosser who’s pissing taxpayers money in moneyblackholes around the world was on Newsnight , I really get the impression he doesn’t give a fck what the taxpayers are thinking ,he is going to carry on , I hope we have a vote coming off soon ,esp waiting for the Libsh*tes to throw their toys out of the pram and we get chance to get rid of the warmonger rusty cameron andhis idiotic mates.

  66. 66
    Ruled by idiots says:

    Which tosser are you referring to as there are loads around at the moment ?

  67. 67
    David Laws Lib Dem fiddler says:

    Cameron stabbed all Tory voters in the back by not acting on his promises. McClegg has long been disowned by the Lie Dems for doing the same.

  68. 68

    Red Ed is a chancer and according to his speech today from what I could gather,a bigger muppet than we thought.
    Whoever wrote that speech needs sacking,does Red Ed really think that the majority of the British public will fall for the sincerity of that garbage.
    The only thing he needs to watch out for is another Ed playing with the whetstone,because as sure as hell the ferrets in a sack is only just beginning.
    O/T Global warming/climate change/carbon taxes,take your pick.
    Biggest taxation scam on this planet,read a once disciple of this scam David Evans,Financial Post,he really does go some way to exploding this tax scam.
    Now I read an article today saying that pupils should be taught real science rather than indoctrinated with preconcieved facts re: this CO2 modelled global disaster that we will see if we don’t take action.
    Computer models usually work on the basis of GiGo,garbage in garbage out,they can’t feckin think,they do what you feckin tell em.

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    MAD FRANKIE HADDOCK son of COD says:

    Those pumas probably come back full of immigrants
    due to lack of security !

  70. 70
    MAD FRANKIE HADDOCK son of COD says:

    Theres about six or more missing

  71. 71
    OnShite says:

    What’s with the stupid “Onswipe” theme, totally fucking unusable!

    Was it designed by Gordon Brown?

  72. 72
    Gordon Brown says:

    I’m a Lear Jet.

  73. 73
    Anonymous says:

    I couldn’t agree more with what you have said.

    The “top brass” have been getting away with it for too long. They sit in splendid offices/ conference rooms and try to “plan ahead” and “future proof” military procurement. We end up with projects that are fanciful, impractical and designed to meet the likely threats in 20 odd years’ time.

    These gold-braided soothsayers are trying to predict future conflict and they have a poor track record of it. Technology moves too fast to future proof so let’s just buy equipment thatis good now and will still be better in 15 years then that fielded by the tin-pot dictators we are most likely to fight.

    “Future proofing” leads to delays, cost over-runs and normally kit that when it eventually lumbers into serve is not fit for the real tasks faced.

    Typhoon- late, costly and designed to shoot Dow those pesky Russkis.
    FRES- a pipe-dream that is already a decade late and still not likely to arrive anytime soon.
    Bowman- very secure radio. Very heavy radio. Years late, over budget and almost certainly out of date already.

    The defence budget is merely used as a means of creating jobs. It is not about the best kit for the troops…if it was we’d buy from Uncle Sam and save a fortune. It’s all about keeping BAe Systems (and others) happy.

    Next time you hear about the death of a serviceman due to lack of helicopters or using an unsuitable vehicle, remember that he didn’t die in vain; BAe’s shareholders were propped up and a few people kept there jobs making the second rate kit.

    The Admiral mentioned above should think about cutting vessels from doing there Carribean anti-drugs jollies or ships not spending so long on Cocktail Party tours masked as defence diplomacy (or a PR campaign for BAe as the cynical may say). If he hasn’t got the combat power to do it then show some balls and tell the government that the RN cannot support their plans and then resign.

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    MAD FRANKIE HADDOCK son of COD says:

    No !
    the last one quit about six months ago !

  75. 75
    Ronnie Corbett says:

    Isn’t th aircrat carrier too small to accept the planes? Or the planes too big to fit in the hangars under the deck?

  76. 76
    Ronnie Corbett says:

    Come back with them in a better form then.

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    Admiral Akbar says:

  78. 78
    Brown and out says:

    IMF has short-listed two candidates to be its new head. And Brown isn’t included. Ha ha! :-D

  79. 79
    MAD FRANKIE HADDOCK son of COD says:

    Eat shit and die you cock !

  80. 80
    Axe The Telly Tax says:

    Some advice for young Ed :-)

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    Eamonn U Ensis says:

    Meanwhile the “Admirals” present and past tell “Dave” that the Royal Navy is near breaking point and the loss of the “Ark Royal” means we can only sustain his Libyan War Adventure for 90 days and worse….. that the Argies could take the Falklands with a rwing boat..oh dear just when “Dave” thought things were settling down his biggests nightmare yet to lose the Falklands….the Tory right would go ballistic…..”Dave” would be finished..no Tory PM could survive that humiliation …..Mrs T realised that…..

    P.S. “Dave’s” buddy Obama has also added to his woes and signed agreement with the Argies over the “Malvinas”(note the name)saying that the Brits should negotiate with Argentina ….mm so much for that State Visit……..and that “Special” or is it “Essential” Relationship…….


  82. 82
    The Daily Wank says:

    news is coming in of a proposed invasion of Syria.

    we believe that an armed force made up of six fighter paper airplanes, 2 old generals from the Boar war victory, a donkey, four lamas and seventeen chickens is being prepared in Surrey Docks as we speak

    a spokesman has said that it is Britain’s moral duty to invade at least two sovereign nations per year otherwise we will not be seen as a credible imperialist nation

  83. 83
    jgm2 says:

    Eh? The mess-up is on-going. We have no business in Libya at all. Just as we had no business in Iraq. Either for Gulf War I or Gulf War II.

    If we hadn’t got involved in Gulf War I then by now the entire Arabian peninsula would be under the Iraqi Caliphate ruled by our ally Saddam Hussein, we’d still be getting oil, the locals would be no worse off than they are under their present-day Bahraini, Kuwaiti or Saudi overlords, there would have been no reason for 9/11 or 7/7 – us not getting involved and all that.

    And now we go and repeat the error and give the Arabs another excuse to hate us. Not that they seem to need much of an excuse.

  84. 84
    The Daily Wank says:

    we forgot to add the b&q orange plastic bucket to the kit

    a very moderate affair

  85. 85
    jgm2 says:

    That does indeed sound more like a Labour policy.

  86. 86
    Archer Karcher says:

    Interesting take on what constitutes ‘balls’ I prefer the term legalised theft.
    Then, I don’t suppose you live on minimum wage or understand just how tough it is in this country, with never ending higher bills, brought about by, government largesse and legislation designed to make people poorer.
    Try living on a state pension for a couple of months and then tell us all what ‘balls’ it takes to throw billions of pounds of other peoples money, at countries that hate our guts, you snivelling c’nut.

  87. 87
    jgm2 says:

    Brown wasn’t even included in the long-list.

    Because he’s shit.

  88. 88
    jgm2 says:

    and signed agreement with the Argies over the “Malvinas”(note the name)saying that the Brits should negotiate with Argentina

    Time to call in the US ambassador and give him a bollocking.

    Either that or sign some agreement with Cuba urging the yanks to negotiate over Guantanamo bay. Seeing as they (the yanks) seem to have issues with colonial outposts on remote islands.

  89. 89
    Any real conservatives left out there? says:

    Another day another U turn

    Weekly bin collection return ‘to be dropped


    This man is definitely for turning.

  90. 90
    MAD FRANKIE HADDOCK son of COD says:

    and it would have only cost 20 million !
    so if Call me U turn Dave had just given the African dictators 798 million we too could live in a disease free environment !

    the mans a fuckin idiot !

  91. 91
    Archer Karcher says:

    Depends what your definition of decent is. I see no decency in taking ( by force ) money from poor people in this country and giving it to rich people in poor countries, none whatsoever.

  92. 92
    Eeu to me says:

    What I find strange, normally when there’s a vacuum like this fortnightly bin collection, business usually jumps in and offers at a price the facilities people want, ie a weekly collection, not seen or heard of any businesses offering this, wonder why not.

  93. 93
    Archer Karcher says:

    Cameron is a wrong ‘un on so many levels, it’s hard to know where to start.
    The heir to Bliar is just another sell out traitor, who couldn’t give a fuck about the people he claims to represent.
    His only ambition is to serve his masters and they are not the British people.

  94. 94
    Tommy says:

    Harrier jets cannot land on our (ex) aircraft carriers during hot weather whilst still carrying their missiles. Whilst this means they’re fine for bombing missions and therefore could be used instead of our ageing Tornadoes we’d still need to be launching Typhoons to escort them from Europe.

    So whilst having aircraft carriers would make Libya slightly easier it’d still be a shambles and the real reason for this is that Labour put off the decision about commissioning new aircraft carriers for several years.

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