May 15th, 2011

We Rallied Against the Debt

According to the BBC 350 of us turned out to Rally Against the Debt, a petition passed round gathered 400 signatures so the actual number is likely nearer 500. The Fawkes girls were unimpressed with their first political demonstration and even their father’s speech until they saw a chihuahua dog which made their day. It was as promised, pretty civilised and good natured, there were no riots, arrests or any trouble – apart from 3 counter protestors. The after party at the Westminster Arms went on till late…


  1. 1
    Jez Wyke says:

    Firstly, you’re absolutely 100% sure no one signed twice, yes? I mean you’ve obviously checked, personally.

    Secondly, you can’t have much of a riot with 350 people though, can you, really.

    It’s nice that you had an after party, did Toby Young turn up?


    • 4
      Sir Eric Du Pomperoy St Davis-Scott OBE says:

      And what was achieved?


      • 23
        Marcus Edwardius says:

        Contacts were made, ideas exchanged and I for one feel that my commitment to actually getting involved has increased.

        What was achieved?

        Watch this space…..


      • 98
        Debt slave says:

        Getting people like you to foam at the mouth at the mere suggestion of savings?


        • 153
          smoggie says:

          For something that was so insignificant it has certainly brought the sneering armchair socialist fanboys out in force. Why?


          • john in cheshire says:

            smoggie, precisely. Why is it that socialist are always so ready to belittle anything that doesn’t compute with their warped view of life, and then become agitated when only their own kind take to the streets. Normal people do not riot and destroy. That’s what socialists are for. I wonder what the distribution of people with mental disorders is amongst the political spectrum. There must be some taxpayers money for that research.


          • Boggard says:

            Perhaps the sight of pompous right-wing Hunts being universally laughed at is too good an opportunity to pass up?


      • 178
        public sector employee says:

        Pitiful, but hilarious. 350! I’m about to have my pay cut to less than what I was earning 5 years ago. The first thing our council had to cut? Children’s services. The second? Social care for vulnerable people. The third? Libraries. Because no one needs to read. The fourth: massive job cuts – whole depts gone. Plus the govt stopped the grants given to councils that they use to fund various social projects- about £20 million that helps the disabled, the elderly, children etc etc. This has hardly been mentioned in the press but has resulted in massive job losses and a loss of services. The govt are not revealing this. Glad to know that the support for this is a measly 350 people.


        • 181

          Go and check how the public service employees in Greece are doing mate.

          Debt is everyone’s problems – even gold plated pensioned over paid public sector employees. Don’t you have any children ? Why bare you happy to steal their futures to pay for your today ?


          • public sector employee says:

            Overpaid!? I can’t even afford to pay into a local govt pension on my wages! So what gold plated pension are you talking about exactly? Stop reading the Daily Mail and live in the real world. These cuts are ideologically based. It doesn’t need to be this way.


          • Osama the Nazarene says:

            Children’s services, social care for vulnerable people, libraries should not need to be cut if the councillors cut their own allowances, investigated in sharing a chief executive, legal and accounting services with one or two other councils, cut the pay of all those on salaries in excess of £100K, cut back-office staff and so on and on. It is the socialist (labour) councillors with their snouts in the trough who are making POLITICAL CUTS.

            In my borough the local Labour Council is pursuing the development of an additional car park and upgrading council computers (by Sugar’s company) while cutting Day Care Centres.


        • 191
          Socialism is a mental illness says:

          PSE, perspective check; Say you are on 15K a year, same for a private sector person.Less tax free allowance, you pay tax,nat ins etc… on 8.5k say, 2.5K, you take home 6K plus your allowance. So does the private person. BUT, a big but, the money you take home is paid for by the private persons tax and the wealth of taxes paid by that persons employer. Your employer takes wealth, does not create it. Try and understand this.


        • 193
          OH PLEASE! says:

          oh please! You are a TUC troll trying to rebutt the recent scandalous news about Public sector salaries being a lot more than the private sector.

          You are most likely a senior union dick on 80k plus with a very fat pension,

          Please p1sss off!


        • 194
          Greychatter says:

          The Unions with their members funds financed Labour through recent years to the tune of about £100 million maybe your Council should get the Unions to fund your services instead of relying on hard working tax payers.


        • 207
          Julian the wonderhorse says:

          Welcome to the real world, public sector employee. Plenty of private sector workers were losing their jobs under your socialist Labour government, no riots then, never reported by the Bolshevik Broadcasting Corporation. Look in the back of the Grauniad, plenty of jobs still on offer, cut kids and pensioner services but keep those climate change outreach gypsy officers


    • 7
      eh? says:

      Too busy cashing cheques for his ‘free’school.


      • 132
        AC1 says:

        Unlike those wonderful state teachers doing such a wonderful job in the brilliant state schools…



    • 35
      I says:

      Remember Christianity only started with 12 and after 2000 years is now Top Dog. Give it time!


      • 69
        Breton says:

        and your messiah is?


      • 109
        Anonymous says:

        Chapter 1: The Death of a Wealthy Fool
        In this chapter, greed and covetousness are defined, and Jesus’ Parable of the Rich Fool is considered in detail. The rich fool in Jesus’ story is very much like many professing Christians who are materially wealthy yet not “rich toward God.”


    • 36
      P. Doff says:

      The organizer still has to count all the postal votes… so it could be a large turnout!


    • 74
      Breton says:

      Good for those that turned up, but I wonder if such a low turnout does more harm than good.


    • 129
      Crikey says:

      Wot no mindless rioting and vandalism followed by insincere condemnation by the organisers? You must be fascists!!!


    • 136
      AC1 says:

      Insanity is the EU, sorry doing the same thing and expecting different results.


  2. 2
    Vile Labour voting public sector parasite says:

    I feel sorry for the future generations who will have to pay down Labour’s debt.


  3. 3
    blue rage says:



  4. 5
    richardcalhoun says:

    I was there, my first rally, and enjoyed it.
    I hope they continue the good work because it is vital if this country is to be saved from it’s financial decline


    • 12
      Cato Street Conspirator says:

      500 for your ‘first rally’. It’s hard to know whether to laugh or cry.


      • 28
        Nigel S says:

        Why not stick a dildo up your bottom and see what the outcome is.


      • 63
        Cosdwallop says:

        Bollocks. Well done to all those who were able to attend. Wonder how many Readers from around the Nation would have joined in if they had both the time and the money.

        Congratulations to Guido and and all who managed to get there.


        • 192
          Breton says:

          Sorry but plenty of readers of this blog have both the time and money. They (we) just couldn’t be bothered.


      • 138
        AC1 says:

        Why would you do either?

        Are you emotionally incontinent?


      • 198
        Jimmy says:

        “500 for your ‘first rally’. It’s hard to know whether to laugh or cry.”

        Really? I’m finding the decision remarkably easy.


    • 13
      urm says:

      Might have had some traction if they’d started their protests during Labour’s period in office when the shit was beginning to hit the fan.

      Maybe there were too many opportunities for making money back than to bother with all this protest stuff.


      • 20
        Massive public sector expansion under Brown says:

        People in the public sector were certainly making loads of dough


        • 211
          Massive private sector expansion under Brown says:

          As was the private sector, mainly off the back of public sector contracts.


  5. 6
    Billy Bowden is the greatest umpire ever ! says:

    Had a good time, and really enjoyed it , well done to organisers and all that protested p*acefully (Which was 100%), The left have been shown up as the violent thugs they are.


  6. 8
    Cato Street Conspirator says:

    500? So that’s how big the silent majority is these days?


    • 17
      Means very little in itself says:

      “NO” Campaign wins through again it seems…although in fairness they didn’t have the luxury of laid on free coaches to London from all parts of the country….have you tried getting a cheap train into London at the weekend from anywhere North of Watford ? You could fly there for less !!


      • 46
        Cato Street Conspirator says:

        The population of Greater London is over 7 million. Most of the rich bastards who support campaigns of this kind live in or around Greater London. Yet only 500 of them were able to get out of bed for this demo. Not saying much is it? They could at least have sent their au pair.


        • 60
          Anonymous says:

          There are plenty of rich bastards making loadsa money from this recession, so no change there, and why would they turn up to protest against this? As far as I can see, they were just normal decent people concerned about their kids future. The super rich and the benefit scroungers are just two sides of the same parasitic coin.


        • 156
          smoggie says:

          So the “Rich” live in the Home Counties. Naive simplistic observation from Cato Street.

          You forgot to mention they all wear top hats and smoke big cigars, especially the women.

          Fuck! Talk about stereotypes……….


    • 61
      AC1 says:

      Great oaks grow from little acorns.

      This is a class of people who are the most oppressed in the country, and unfairly targetted for robbery by the state.

      They are also the least practised at protesting.

      Would you prefer they protest or go John Galt (you’ll lose far more this way)?


      • 169
        Fog says:

        Yes, the unassuming, working people in this country don’t usually demonstrate, as they’re too busy being responsible for themselves.

        An online show of support would be better. What happened to those Downing Street petitions? Did they go away with Brown?


  7. 9
    ow is Danczuk pronounced? says:

    Essex Police have said they are considering investigating the claims and warned they could take action.

    A spokesman said in a statement: “We are aware of allegations regarding a speeding offence in 2003.

    “This information will be passed to officers who will decide on whether an investigation will be launched.

    “We take allegations such as this one extremely seriously and will take action where necessary.”

    Labour MP Simon Danczuk made an official complaint to the police and has called on Mr Huhne to step down while an inquiry takes place.


  8. 10
    richardcalhoun says:

    Just listened to the video, BBC news.

    This was not about supporting government cuts per se, it was about protesting that the ‘cuts’ are not more severe and applied over a shorter time.

    Wasn’t it ??


    • 26
      Nigel S says:

      No it was against adding to the Debt (the clue is in the name). Either spend less or tax more, or a combination and take the fallout from that but don’t buy votes with our grandchildren’s money.


  9. 11
    markus says:

    500 – you get more at the Women’s Institute cake decorating convention.


    • 16
      Billy Bowden is the greatest umpire ever ! says:

      How many went on the pro-Iraq invasion v anti war protest and what was the result?


  10. 18
    • 21
      Proverbs 7:10 says:

      Then out came a woman to meet him, dressed like a prostitute and with crafty intent.


    • 25
      Dr Rowan Williams says:

      It is opportunistic, shameless attention whores that really get his goat. You’ll be fine.

      No, really.


    • 27
      Family affair says:

      How nice of you to insult your relatives in public.


    • 43
      Hubby says:

      He would if you are in ‘em.


    • 64
      AC1 says:

      The mental illness called Leftism is Narcissism (with envy and projection).


      • 80
        Anonymous says:

        Gordon Brown and Laura Penny, two prime examples of narcissism you are ever likely to see.


        • 128
          AC1 says:

          Gordo is a malignant narcissist.

          Kernberg described malignant narcissism as a syndrome characterized by a narcissistic personality disorder (NPD), antisocial features, paranoid traits, and egosyntonic aggression. Other symptoms may include an absence of conscience, a psychological need for power, and a sense of importance (grandiosity). Pollock wrote: “The malignant narcissist is presented as pathologically grandiose, lacking in conscience and behavioral regulation with characteristic demonstrations of joyful cruelty and sadism.”


    • 102

      I dare you to go to the Mosque!


    • 145
      Romans Ch VI v.23 says:

      Give it a rest woman…it is the Sabbath !!


    • 157
      smoggie says:

      Even Kerrrisssttttttt wore a bedsheet and hung out drinking wine all day. Then they nailed him.


    • 195
      Indigo says:

      Jeepers – Sally is so embarrassing.


  11. 19
    Brian says:

    I was in London last year and saw 2 protests each with a handful of people. One by unions and one against education cuts and both were given prominance on the beeb yet neither demo had more than 200 people yet the attendance figures weren’t mentioned.


    • 50
      Cato Street Conspirator says:

      Perhaps that’s because a protest against the government is news and a demonstration supporting it is not news. Man bites dog and that sort of thing.


      • 119
        GCooper says:

        Twaddle. The former is an everyday occurrence. The latter is rare.

        Back to the newsroom, Gramsci, with the rest of the Beeb’s Trots.


  12. 22
    Leftie in need of a kicking says:

    Tory scum! Tory scum!

    (wipes spittle off chin with tiresome Palestinian scarf thing)


    • 66
      AC1 says:

      I saw one sad old beardy trying to get his child in a pushchair to do the same.

      They really are all ill.


  13. 30
    Handycock No 1 Trougher in Parliament says:

    I cannot support your campaign for cutting even more of our national debt. You ask why? Well if more debt is cut, MP’s foreign visits and much else might be cut from the parliamentary budget. This will mean an end to my many trips to Russia and Eastern Europe and consequently my sex life will indeed suffer. It will also put an end to the excessive troughing partaken by me and my fellow MP’s. There is therefore a limit to the cuts and I say we have reached it.


    • 174
      HRH The Duke of Edinburgh says:

      How many times do I have to say, when is this Pervert and Spy going to be arrested? This country has gone to the dogs.


  14. 31
    the totally unbiased bbc says:

    “Nigel farage told me he was off to lunch (pregnant pause)….at Fortnum & Masons”

    I’m fucking surprised he can afford to go to the same expensive eateries as union officials.


  15. 32
    Anonymous says:

    so a massive success then…….. compared to the no to cuts demonstration
    even the mail reported 350 so allowing for their normal barefaced lies probably 17…. you could have held the rally in the disabled toilet – the most apt location


    • 33
      Billy Bowden is the greatest umpire ever ! says:

      if the size of protest decided policy then we would not have gone in to iraq or had the hunting ban.


      • 100
        Iloathlefties says:

        ………a valid point Billy as the political class ignore the will of the majority of the people e.g. out of EU, foreign aid, human rights act, mass migration etc. I’m sure the protest has the support ofg the majority in this country. London is just a long way for some of us.


      • 113
        Mornington Crescent says:

        Well said, Billy.


      • 159
        smoggie says:

        Woh he said


    • 34
      rent a mob says:

      About time you were off arranging another, “Let’s celebrate saddling our kids with massive debt” wankfest isn’t it?


    • 37
      Ctesibius says:

      I find it fascinating that the Left think that the more people who go on a march, the more valid their argument is. If only it were true the work of scientists would be so much easier.

      Take the vexed issue of whether there is life on Mars. No need to argue about upper atmosphere methane concentrations, no need to send more expensive rovers. Let’s just hold two marches about life on Mars. One can be issued with banners saying ‘Microbes on Mars Now’ and shout ‘Mars Microbes, Yes, Yes, Yes!’ and the other with banners saying ‘Mars is Dead’ and shouting ‘Mars, Mars, Mars, Dead, Dead, Dead!’ All we do is count up the number of people on the two marches and hey presto, we’ve solved a major scientific question.

      Or do you think that makes you sound idiotic, Mr. Anon (something you are probably used to)? If you do, then you will acknowledge that the number of people who attended this demonstration is completely and utterly irrelevant to the reality of the argument.

      The largest march ever was the Countryside Alliance’s march in favour of hunting, so presumably ever marching leftie will vote immediately for the restoration of hunting? And Hitler got more people to march up and down at Nurnberg – they can’t have been anything wrong with their argument, can there Mr. Anon?


      • 49
        David Bowie says:

        I have been asking this question since 1971.


        • 53
          Cato Street Conspirator says:

          Ctesibius says: ‘I find it fascinating that the Left think that the more people who go on a march, the more valid their argument is. If only it were true the work of scientists would be so much easier.’

          You’re so right, of course. The FEWER people who go on a march, the more valid their argument is. For example, if I should now amble down the high street proclaiming my belief that the world is flat then, it goes without saying, that my argument is completely valid.


          • Ctesibius says:

            Socrates and Jesus Christ were both in substantial intellectual minorities. Clearly both were intellectual pygmies and neither knew what they were talking about


          • Ctesibius says:

            … and of course if you DO think that the UK would benefit from higher government debt, then you probably DO believe the Earth is flat.


          • GCooper says:

            So you think the Countryside Alliance should have won the day, do you?


          • Rat's arse says:

            It’s not that ‘Cato’. I live up north and was unable to get down to London, plus I didn’t have trades unions and the Leiber party financing my trip with free rail fare/bus fare/organisation. This doesn’t stop me supporting the cuts. As I was told years ago, if you’ve got ten bob in the till, you can’t take a quid out, no matter how hard you try.


          • smoggie says:

            Yes. Bring back hunting with dogs and we might have less vermin eating socialist babies in their cots.


      • 85
        Paul Adrien Maurice Dirac says:

        You’re the one making the ridiculous link between validity of argument and number of protestors. The real issue is public support for/against something and the number of protestors. In this case, it was quite a poor turnout so that shows public support is low, not that the argument is invalid.

        Now this is an issue that isn’t clear cut as you would like to think, there’s plenty of academics and people on both sides of the fence. Even if the notion was true, applying the same argument to science is ridiculous because science is not driven by speculation, money or propaganda. Economics and social issues aren’t perfectly scientific.


        • 124

          “science is not driven by speculation, money or propaganda.”

          You aren’t at Cambridge are you? And you’re only brain dead. Nul points Dirac


        • 127
          Ctesibius says:

          No, you lefties raised this issue by saying that the number of people who showed up is relevant to the quality of the argument.

          It is not.


          • Paul Adrien Maurice Dirac says:

            I’m not a lefty. I just think to try and apply this to science was ridiculous of you.

            If you did actually read what I was saying, you would see I don’t agree with that notion.


    • 38
      I says:

      What does a “disabled toilet” look like?


    • 144
      Evie Lennon says:

      Oh ‘anon’ you are such a caution [as my old Gran used to say].


  16. 39
    They're all smug, sneering Celt cunts at the BBC, 'cept Kuenssbergs whom I wish to bum intensely says:

    Great job people

    The leftist parasites were having a circle jerk on twatter yesterday, led by the intellectually vacuous exploiter of the workers Penny

    She can jerk some retard cock that minimum wage flouter


    • 44
      A BBC trotskyist says:

      The delightful Ms Penny has just be wowing us with her knowledge and opinions on Radio 5 Labour.

      She is truly a left wing firebrand


    • 56
      Labourite scrounger/fraudster says:

      We have the media entirely on our side…resistance to debt/tax/bail-outs/leftist hypocrisy is futile


    • 68
      AC1 says:

      Yep the left are mental.

      Don’t Exploit the workers!
      Be nasty to those evil Employers who pay the workers.
      Cutting the Workers pay with excessive tax is ok.
      Borrowing won’t lead to more tax and thus more cuts to pay.


      • 84
        Labourite scrounger/fraudster says:

        The issue is convincing poorly educated citizens that Labour and its surrogates tell a fundamental lie…that Government can continue paying to run people’s lives


      • 164
        smoggie says:

        The “economy” is a big room full of gold. It doesn’t matter what the tax rates are or what we spend – that room of gold will always contain the same. We socialists have got to get to it first before the “Rich” do.

        Efficiency, productivity, entrepreneurship, foreign investment are all irrevelant and have no impact whatsoever on what’s in that room.


  17. 40
    Moley says:

    Here is an FOI request for Guido and his blog.

    “Have you received any recent legal communication regarding the publication of comments about the Minister for Energy and Climate change?


  18. 42
    Drop a Daisy cutter on the BBC says:

    The deficit deniers (the BBC, Guardian, TUC and the Scots) have a majority in the media. The Daily Mail for example it’s editor is a personal friend of Gordon Brown, so they don’t want to trash the one eyed Scottish homosexual idiot.

    The truth is, the media gives NO time to the argument to cut the debt (not the deficit) as the BBC themselves are part of the debt machine.


    • 55
      Cato Street Conspirator says:

      You’re so right. That was why Labour was elected in 2011 and we now have a government determined to drastically INCREASE public spending.

      Hang on, there’s something wrong there.


    • 92
      Selohesra says:

      I can understand the BBC bias – its institutionalised bias and it is far too late to change theat. But I’m not sure Sky is much better. Why don’t they go head to head with the BBC – report the facts and show up the onesided reporting of our state broadcaster


  19. 45

    350, 400, 500 . . . it’s still not a very good turnout, is it?


    • 51
      Ctesibius says:

      And the relevance of this for the underlying intellectual case is?


    • 52
      lonely says:

      How many anti cut protesters there? One. Lol!


    • 54
      Labourite scrounger/fraudster says:

      If the public sector parasites weren’t taken by Union funded coaches, the turnout would have been a few hundred
      Public sector scum are too lazy to do anything if it is laid on for them


      • 115
        Malcolm Marshall says:

        Now really…. irrespective of the policy argument’s validity…. do you REALLY think that ‘Union buses’, two words that hardly come loaded with connotations of organisational efficiency, managed to get 295,500 people down the M1, all on their own???

        Be serious, please.


        • 206
          Anonymous says:

          You new here? This site is for normal people to come and laugh at the right-wing nutters. Right-wing nutters don’t do serious.


  20. 47
    Fitbad the Tailor says:

    I was surprised to see Martin McGuinness there.


    • 176
      The bent Bowden finger says:

      Yeah. I do look like McGuinness in that pic. Embarrassing. But I was there. Where were you?


  21. 58
    Anonymous says:

    I’m really proud of the good citizens who turned up at the rally yesterday especially Guido. Certainly gone up in my estimation- at least he practises what he preaches and has the gumption to follow it through. Well done to you all and thank you.


  22. 61
    Simone says:

    The BBC sneer meter went up to 11 on that report.


    • 76
      The BBC is institutionally biased, Andrew Marr, 50 and three quarters says:

      We are proud of our commitment to impartiality and unbiased reporting.


  23. 65
    Lou Scannon says:

    The Left really don’t understand non-violent protest, do they ?


    • 72
      Billy Bowden is the greatest umpire ever ! says:

      Just like the religon of p8ace cant do pe*ceful protest either, Try drawing a picture of a Padophile and happing to say it is the leader of the said religon of p8ace and watch the bombs fly in.


      • 75
        AC1 says:

        Look he only* r4ped a nine year old girl…

        *Also murder, theft and slavery.


        • 77
          Billy Bowden is the greatest umpire ever ! says:

          When have the looney left ever let facts get in the way of a good story?


  24. 70
    annette curton says:

    Azerbaijan: Ha,ha,ha,Winston Churchill, Maggie Thatcher, Bobby Charlton, Lord Nelson we Beat you!


    • 166
      smoggie says:

      The linesman who awarded THAT “goal” against West Germany in 1966 was from Azerbaijan.

      We owe them.


      • 175
        oddly helpful says:

        I’m pretty sure that he was actually a Kazakh. And that a Moldovan victory would have brought the show back to its roots


  25. 71
    Maximus says:

    OT but breaking news:

    As Dominique Strauss-Kahn’t any more, are strings being pulled to insert the feckless fsckwit McJonah-Brown into position aboard the IMF? Or is it just Little Sarko full of himself after his neo-colonial initiatives in Libya and Ivory Coast?

    Nothing like a good sex scandal to ease someone out. I recall a former New York State Attorney with views on Wall St, and a former President of Israel. (Doesn’t always work, for instance, Italy and Scotchland).


    • 78
      Billy Bowden is the greatest umpire ever ! says:

      The ECB wont be happy.


      • 87
        say what you see! says:

        ECB / IMF / Brussels / other – they’re all stuffed full of weirdos, perverts, criminals and failed politicians who have gone on from wasting the wealth of a country to that of a continent.



        • 90
          Billy Bowden is the greatest umpire ever ! says:

          Opps , I saw the name Strauss and thought it was the England test captian :-)


    • 139
      Grammar School Boy says:

      Mad Broon will probably angle for the job.

      No chance of any hanky panky with a chambermaid with him I guess.


  26. 73
    AC1 says:

    Some good news. This makes a bailout harder!


    • 86
      WVM says:

      Good, enough is enough.


    • 88
      annette curton says:

      More evidence if any was needed that these people are incapable of even keeping their own underpants under control, never mind any rational fiscal policy. IMF… International (Hotel) Maid Fucker,+1 to the USA for arresting him at the airport before the perv had the chance to hide back in the cesspit of European politics.


    • 91
      lol says:

      Let them all go bust! It’ll be cheaper in the long run.


      • 123
        South of the M4 says:

        They should all just exit the Euro and devalue. Then let the Euro collapse. that would be cheaper in the long run.


  27. 79
    St George says:

    When the Scots cut themselves free they can take their fair share of the national fucking debt too!

    Est UK population :62,000,000
    Est current UK national debt : £921,121,000,000

    Est Scottish population: 5,000,000
    Est current share of UK national debt: £74,283,951,612

    Now fuck off and take that one eyed homomong with you!


  28. 82
    I don't need no doctor says:

    I can’t afford to rally against debt.


    • 96
      annette curton says:

      Good point, that would explain the low turnout, demonstrations in London are usually the province of the privileged, the indoctrinated, the feckless or the funded and my bicycles got a puncture.


  29. 89
    Anonymous says:

    Where was this rally when Brown was in power, unelected, pissing all our money away to buy off his “core vote”, and who’d single-handedly caused the collapse of the whole uk financial system and thereby contributed significantly to the global recession?

    You would have got a lot more people on the rally back then. I would have been there.

    I would have gone to a “you were unelected, you’re still pissing all our money away, and you’ve destroyed the economy, you fucking lying evil bastard” rally, but I wouldn’t bother going to a “I’m glad you’re now in goverment and you’re doing the right thing, but please do it a bit more/quicker” rally. I think that’s why the turnout was low.

    Most people generally wouldn’t go to a “things seem to be going quite well now but we could do better” rally. But the Unions have the power/money (and media bias/coverage via the BBC) to get millions out on the street to have a “2 plus 2 equals 5″ rally.

    The number of people on a rally hardly ever has a direct relationship to the size of opinion in the country at large.

    It’s a bit like when you get a tv phone “poll” with a question like “Should we castrate all male babies at birth? phone only if your answer is no.” – just because you only get 100 people phoning in to say “no, we shouldn’t castrate babies” that doesn’t mean that the rest of the country thinks “yes; let’s castrate babies”.

    The level of turnout on this rally is largely irrelevant; I’m glad the rally happened, but it should have happened years ago when the damage was being done.


    • 93
      say what you see! says:

      + 1


    • 112
      Anonymous says:

      Someone should try that out; have a phone poll or a rally for “we don’t want all male babies castrated at birth” and see how many people bother phoning/rallying.

      Then get the government to have a binding referendum where they’ll force baby castration if more than 50% of the votes choose the “yes, castrate them” option.

      for the rally, the “yes, let’s castrate babies” campaign will claim that the turnout confirms that 99.999% of people support them as the turnout was only 50 people, but they’d still lose the referendum vote as 99.999% of people voting would vote “no, don’t castrate babies”.

      The general election is the only really important turnout. and seeing as labour only got something like 20% of the vote (about 10% of the electorate’s support), that proves that most people are against the debt already, and even the tory high-command aren’t stupid enough not to understand that logic. They’ll do what’s needed, but they need to tread slowly and carefully because if they don’t then the BBC *WILL* launch/step-up their campaign to try and oust the government and get labour back in again.

      Now, if the tories got rid of the BBC, then the whole thing changes, and they could make the cuts they need. That’s what really needs to be done; you need to rally/lobby against the BBC because that’s the real reason that the debt’s not being cut as fast as it could be.


      • 134
        AC1 says:

        Just need to get rid of the TV Tax/”License Fee”.

        They’d have to change themselves to stay solvent. Be an even worse fate for the left.


  30. 94
    man perch on a barstool says:

    we saw you Guido, we saw you on TV and Miss Guido perched on your head..great excitment in the bar.!.cheering and clapping..was she at the Westminster Arms afterwards?


  31. 95
    WVM says:

    Embed one of these on your blog GF, start a trend.


  32. 97
    C H Ingoldby says:

    I was there and am really pleased.

    It was a great crowd, families, young, old, babies and puppies. Excellent speakers and an excellent atmosphere. People can carp about the small numbers if they want, the fact is that this is just the start and we all had a really good time and reinforced our commitment to reining in the out of control bloated State.

    I’d love to see a demo of leftist scum which was so good natured, where people spoke with words containing more than two syllables, where the crowd cleanen up after itself and where people are happy to bring the whole family.


  33. 104
    Perfection takes time says:

    Mohammed started with a handful of slaves and has ended up with a legacy of the fastest growing religion in the world.


  34. 106

    And now, a party political response to the anti-debt rally, from the leader of the opposition.

    “Thoo far, thoo fast.Thoo far, thoo fast.Thoo far, thoo fast.Thoo far, thoo fast.Thoo far, thoo fast.Thoo far, thoo fast.Thoo far, thoo fast.Thoo far, thoo fast. ”

    {deep breath..refocus mad eye swivel}

    Thoo far! Thoo fast!Thoo far! Thoo fast!Thoo far! Thoo fast!Thoo far! Thoo fast!
    Thoo far! Thoo fast!Thoo far! Thoo fast!Thoo far! Thoo fast!Thoo far! Thoo fast!
    Thoo far! Thoo fast!Thoo far! Thoo fast!Thoo far! Thoo fast!Thoo far! Thoo fast!””

    “Vote Labour.”


    • 111
      Eddie Balls says:

      “You forgot to say Tory-led you imbecilic little worm.”
      Kick ..twack..sound of man being tripped up..
      “When are you going to resign and let me be leader? You said you would..I can’t be chancellor forever. When will I be dipstick little prawn.I should be leader..resign,resign,resign..”


  35. 107
    angelnstar says:

    New idea and video for Mayor’s campaign – Even Angels Will Fall!


  36. 108
    What the British press do not report says:

    As she was in the foyer, “he came out of the bathroom, fully naked, and attempted to sexually assault her,” Mr. Browne said, adding, “He grabs her, according to her account, and pulls her into the bedroom and onto the bed.” He locked the door to the suite, Mr. Browne said.

    “She fights him off, and he then drags her down the hallway to the bathroom, where he sexually assaults her a second time,” Mr. Browne added.

    At some point during the assault, the woman broke free, Mr. Browne said, and “she fled, reported it to other hotel personnel, who called 911.” He added, “When the police arrived, he was not there.” Mr. Browne said Mr. Strauss-Kahn appeared to have left in a hurry. In the room, investigators found his cellphone, which he had left behind, and one law enforcement official said that the investigation uncovered forensic evidence that would contain DNA.


  37. 116
    @sallybercow says:

    “Can’t find hubby this morning…must have crept into some hole or other”


    • 122
      John says:

      I’m in a hole with David – plenty more room.
      Laws is for little people, don’t you know.


    • 130
      Formerly sarcastic person who now sees the error of his ways says:

      Have you looked in your front bottom?


  38. 121
    Anonymous says:

    if this had been a Union event the 500 would have been described as 100,000 and the BBC would have run on their main news programs “up to half a million turned out to protest against the government” etc etc etc

    I suggest
    1) the next protest is held in Killkaldy but ensure The one eyed jonah is not in the USA telling people how he saved the world.
    2) The lorry with the number counter is parked outside The Labour party HQ for the duration and renamed Labours debt to the UK


  39. 125
    I bet says:

    Huhne will be gone by tomorrow.


  40. 135
    Rufus T. Firefly says:

    I could’nt attend because as a good little self-employed capitalist I was working


  41. 140
    George Stillborn says:

    Who was that home-counties twat in the video? “Oooh, we need to get a charnttt going”


  42. 146
    bodo says:

    The BBC put their own spin on it, repeatedly calling it a campaign for ‘more spending cuts’.
    Don’t remember the anti-cuts rally being called a campaign for ‘increased debt’.


  43. 152
    Gordon Brown says:

    Suck my clunge.


  44. 155
    Tony Blair says:

    Do you realise that on June 27th I’d have left office for four years?

    UK debt end 2007 : 618,4 G£, i. e. 44,2 % of GDP
    UK debt end 2008 : 750,3 G£, i. e. 52,0 % of GDP

    I told you you’d be sorry when I’m gone. Once you let Ruprecht out of the dungeon it only took him 6 months to add £132bn to the debt.

    Never mind. So long New Labour and thanks for all the dosh!


  45. 170
    A parliament full Huhne's and Hoons says:

    I notice the Taxpayer funded reporter got in his socialist dig at Nigel Farage
    right at the end
    Wankers !


  46. 179
    Realist says:

    I suppose this totally condescending report from the left wing BBC was only to be expected.


  47. 180
    Jimmy says:

    I think it was important that the public be made aware of the extent of public support for your views.


  48. 182
    An unpaid marketing pawn says:

    The parasites in England and Wales keep voting Labour. The Scots are sick of subsidising the English & their shopping malls.


  49. 184
    Werner Herzog says:

    Even dwarves started small…


  50. 186
    A. Hitler says:

    I agree. We were only a few at first too…


  51. 188
    Socialism is a mental illness says:

    Public sector employee did not say what his actual job was. My bet it was a non job. The fact that so few people turned up says many things, most private sector people are working or resting, there are so many public sector workers that the disparity in demonstrations proves why the country is skint.


    • 202
      Snoots says:

      Too right – I would have liked to have been there, but if you are self employed you have to take the money when it turns up. You just
      can’t turn up and take the money.


  52. 189
    Ed says:

    TUC – 500 000 people marching

    Rally Against Debt – 350 assorted cranks and loons. 350!!!!

    A ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha etc

    Thanks for this. Best laugh I’ve had in ages. I especially liked the nutter with the “Read Ayn Rand” slogan drawn in crayon on his cardboard placard. Hilarious.

    Thank you so so much.


  53. 190
    Cole says:

    Ok, let’s be charitable & say it was 500. I don’t want to rub your nose in it but the other lot only got 500,000…


  54. 199
    dez says:

    I wish people would put the big numbers away in the hyperbole draw and express the debt in a meaningful way i.e. as a percentage of gdp. If i told you i owed someone 50 pounds you wouldn’t know how much of a problem that was unless you knew how much money i had coming in.


    • 209
      Anonymous says:

      very true, and it’s hard to get/unpick the real figures too.
      But, as a rough guess, if you try to equate this to a real-world analogy like a mortgage, the real gdp is something like £1trillion, and the real total debt is something like £8trillion, and we’re still spending, say, £0.5trillion per year, and we’re overspending by around £100billion per year.

      So, very roughly, it’s equivalent to having an annual (net; after tax) salary of £50k, a mortgage of £400,000, and increasing the capital aspect of your mortgage every year by around £5,000, while still not paying off any of the interest which is compounding as you’re still increasing the capital amount that you’re borrowing every year by more than the interest.

      With that analogy you’re verging on the edge of bankruptcy and making it worse going forwards; ie you’re maxed-out on the amount you can borrow (only a very very lax/stupid lender would ever lend you 8 times your salary) and you’re maxed-out on the interest you can afford to pay, and you’re still increasing it every year. Any reputable bank/lender would not allow you to increase the capital debt a penny more, they’d force you to pay off the interest and some of the capital at a reasonable rate.

      The UK economy is in a state that’s equivalent to the sub-prime market at the moment; it’s unsustainable and we ARE bankrupt already, it’s just that nobody in the media or in politics is willing to accept/report that.


      • 210
        Anonymous says:

        The key here is the difference between the official debt and gdp figures, and the real debt and real gdp.
        Government official debt doesn’t include most things that would, in a real-world analogy and using any reasonable accounting practices, always be counted as part of the debt.
        The official GDP figures include public sector gdp (which is an oxymoron).

        An analogy of the official figures would be a mortgage like this:
        You have a net salary of £75k
        You have a mortgage of £50k
        (totally affordable) but….
        You didn’t mention to the mortgage lender that you also have a separate debt of £350k on your credit card, and on your “mortgage calculator” form you said that your gas/electric bill was only £5/month instead of the £200/month that it really is.

        It’s all smoke/mirrors/lies; the official figures are totally irrelevant/bogus.


  55. 203
    jon livesey says:

    Rallying against debt makes about as much sense as rallying against rainy days,


  56. 204
    Anonymous says:

    I somehow find it hard to imagine the BBC would not have had any trouble counting 350 rather than 500 people. Please. I mean no one has ever signed a petition with a false name or signed it more than once right?

    Looking over the huge amount of news coverage this tiny protest got, I have seen much larger protests go utterly ignored by the press year after year so why do these 350 get to be on the news?

    I suspect the story here though is the utter lack of popular support for Osbourne. The idea that right wingers don’t protest was put to death with the Country Side Alliance. Then there was no problem getting thousands of people out for the right to kill foxes. So I think we now know just how little deep support their is on this side.

    I also find the Tory justification that they are doing this all for the young and future generations a bit funny when you look at the breakdown of voting by age. People over 65 are the only group to vote Tory at 50% or higher, people under 25 are the only group to vote Labour 50% or higher. So the old are telling the young to bugger of, they will handle the future (of which they may see 15 years.)


  57. 205
    Anonymous says:

    “400 signatures”

    So that’s 400 reserved places for the guillotine after regime change.


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