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Ed Balls stretches credulity by claiming he isn’t ambitious…
“I would love to be part of Ed’s Labour government but what I do next for me is not an all-consuming passion. I’m more bothered, in a personal sense, about getting to grade 8 piano by the time I’m 50.”
Bill Quango MP says:
Ned Flanders – Clegg
Lisa Simpson – Natalie Bennett
Milhouse – Hilary Benn
Martin Prince – Andy Burnham
Edna Krabappel – Luciana Berger
Crazy Cat Lady – Glenda jackson
Comic book guy – John Prescott
Carl – Chucka
Lenny – Philip Hammond
Willie – Eric joyce
Poochie – Gordon Brown
Reverend Lovejoy – Tony Blair
Good news.
I suppose it is traditional for the first post to panders to Billy’s views, and shout HANG THEM!
After voting yes to AV and trying to fuck the mother of all democracies.
I have some conerns that people won’t read te question properly and cross Yes, that turnout will be risible and that Jocks and Taffs will be more likely to vote and that No’s will stay at home. It ain’t done yet.
Note to guido
if huhne and other lib dems (cable ?) do walk if they loose the AV vote… (and loosing your main plank is not good for a coalition minor partner) then have you thought through what happens next….
libdem posts filled by torries – who then have to enact lots of unpopular cuts.
Libdems on backbenches can then vote down – or water down any measure.
Remember what governor of bank on england said….
The government will be out of power for a generation after they inflict the scale of cuts needed….
so if AV is lost – libdems just step back from cabinet and let torry ministers take all the flack.
Just shows how you can fool a lot of the people quite easily.
Once Dave has finished wrecking the constitution and made constituencies a lot bigger with fewer MPs you’ll all have even less choice and be locked into a one party state (With two pretend parties all controlled by Brussels).
Enjoy your future; it’s what you voted for.
a lot bigger? You mean less than 10% bigger don’t you, frankly I’d have liked to see more of the worthless gits on the scrapheap
Agreed – we only need about 5 people in parliament. One to rubber stamp the directives. One to give the media briefing and one to formulate the lies. The other two are to ensure there is a surplus of taxpayer funded jobs and pensions ! And can be on the sick for 6 moths each (and maternity leave for the other – because they are reserved on women only short lists !)
So long as it is labour MPs on the scrapheap in order to re-balance and remove the massive pro-labour bias in the seating boundaries, I would be happy.
If the USA with 5 times our population gets by with just over 400 congressmen, why do we need 650 MPs. We should have no more than 200. Also this referendum should have been run under AV. The result? No 100% Yes 0%
If there is only a 20% turnout and due to the low participation, somehow the Yes bunch win by 51%, would they then claim that the result has any democratic mandate?
After all they claim that only AV gives real mandates because of the 50% rule… However, in this scenario, with 90% (ish) not voting for AV, this would suggest that the result would lack any democratic mandate at all.
Every one has the right to vote, if people don’t vote they cannot complain. At least spoil the vote but vote.
I US ministers aren’t elected, most of the time they are chosen for the talents they have. Look at the jokers we have as ministers here.
It’s going to be a long Parliament, but after all, the sheeple always vote for the winner over and above the sacrificial lamb.
Sheeple? How passé.
Said the LibLabCon voter.
Vote B&P!
If that how your miniscule intellect works for you, by all means go for it.
Sacrificial lamb? How passé.
Never mind that Bin Liner chappie, how do the financial spiv pals of Guido’s honest world feel about fleecing Henry Cooper of all his earned income?
Some alternatives to AV:
First piss the post
Fast pass the piss
Piss past the post
fist pass the post
post the piss first
first pass the piss
please pass the port
Pliss pass the passport.
Childish
Says a cartoon character
Not a cartoon character – no-one !
I prefer Nemi – she’s gorgeous.
Devon Loch was in the final furlong, in fact the final 40 yards.
15% of the could be arsed to drag themselves down to the polling booths despite the the other 85% not really bothered to give a fuck, expressed their preference for being on the winning/losing side.
It’s democracy Jim, but not as we know it!
Am voting No 1 Yes 2 for shits and giggles. And if the vote goes tits up because of high turnout in Northern Ireland, feel free to fuck us out of the Union.
Apparently, word has it that just before Mr Bin Liner died and with his last dying breath he said “Vote YES to AV”.
he actually wanted the AB (alternative bullet)
I saw him yesterday walking through Marks & Spencer with Elvis Presley (he does look old)
I thought that was him marrying Wills & Kate the other day.
Fucking mental, I’m amazed his eyes don’t swivel in opposite directions.
That’s why Murdocher employs him
those pesky peasants just won’t vote for “progressive” change will they? Better get the Bolshevik gunmen in to make them do as nanny says, just as Red Ed’s grandfather did in Poland.
Didn’t he Ed?
Planning the same treason here?
If people won’t agree to be “progressive” then you’ll have to force them.
Oh dear senior citizen moment– J. Humphries just called ‘Ed’ Miliband, in an interview , David Miliband. !!! It doesn’t look good Ed, it doesn’t look good.
It was his Jack Straw moment with Mugabe
I hope that Humphrys is on performance-related pay; after yesterday’s shambles he’s getting very close to owing us.
Compare and contrast Humphries’ style in Ed’s interview with Dave’s yesterday.
For Ed, the friendly avuncular voice, the lack of constant interruptions, no hectoring tone.
I used to give Humphries the benefit of the doubt of not being a tribal Labour sycophant – leaving that distinction for that waste of skin Naughtie – but it seems I must revise this assessment.
BBC? Who needs ‘em.
Now i’m classed as yet just another floating voter.
You tasted foul. Did those American sailors prepare your body for the traditional Islamic burial by pissing all over you?
They should have tipped him overboard in the Bay of Pigs.
‘Barman, I’ll have a Bin Laden..’
what’s that sir?
‘two shots and a spash of water’
Did you get your postal vote for Red Ed in before you got shot?
Bin Laden was a good man! 9/11 was an inside job by Clinton! Obama is a muslim terrorist who ordered the illegal assassination of an unarmed civilian! George Bush would’ve protected Bin Laden and had terrorists like Obama killed! Oh, fuck, I know everything I’m saying is completely irrational and insane and that even Dick Cheney isn’t saying any of this but give me a break, it’s tough to maintain consistency when the facts don’t fit your bullshit.
As I was saying, Obama is a muslim terrorist who keeps selling arms to Is ra el. Oh, wait, that’s not right. Um… Is ra el is a muslim state and Obama’s supplying them with arms! Oh, fuck, I give up. I’m off to have incest with my daughter like all good church going god fearing neocon fuckwits.
You are Chalkie White and I claim my £10
I think he’s a Yes to AV chap!
I thought it was Jimmy Carter. Apart from the neocon bits.
Sounds like my kind of politics, let’s have some more Windowlicking neocon.
…..and cue the petulant childish tantrums from the Yes campaigners blaming everyone but themselves for their failure to sell a new system to the public.
Perhaps if the leaders of the Yes campaign had behaved like adults, instead of spoilt six year olds, they may have had more success.
There is a world of difference between a No campaign where Cameron and Dr Reid were able to put aside their large differences in beliefs, to share a stage in support of their shared support for this campaign and the petty childish petulance of Ed Miliband refusing to share the stage with Clegg, over the campaign that they both agreed entirely upon.
This made the No camp look credible, consistent and principled, whereas the yes campaign looked childish, petty and unprofessional.
The worst tantrum was from Huhne the Hunt.
+1000
+1
Ed Miliband’s support for AV was a pretty serious blow. When Brown came out in favour, AV was finished.
Loved c’unt Humphreys signing off of Ed Militwat as David this morning on Radio 4 just a minute ago… a faux pas? I think not… LOL
Once most people eventually discovered what AV was they decided it was no good.
People realised AV might create further coalitions featuring LimpDim vermin.
Or UKIP?
UKIP’s support for AV is the only thing that’s making me consider voting ‘Yes’.
But there’s that big black cloud on the horizon, the LimpyDims. Can’t really risk them being part of a future coalition.
But there again – a lot of people voted Conservative last may ‘just to keep Gordon out’ ! Wrong choice ! We got heir to Blair who has sold us down the river to the EU – and passed Harmons Law ! etc. etc.
Voting against AV becuae its what the limpdims want is not a good reason for doing so !
I still think that the slight uncertainty in many more seats will focus MP’s more on their constituencies than on the Whips – which can only be a good thing ! And John Prescott is against it ! Ed & Co. being in favour is a distraction – and meant to get ‘tactical voters’ to vote NO ! why else would Labour be in favour – it’ll do nothing for them ! (Except maybe handicap them by having to sit next to the LimpDims ! Ed and Gordon know they are either hated or despised so they are using this to influence the vote – I would in their place !
a lot of people voted Conservative last may ‘just to keep Gordon out’ ! Wrong choice !
If the alternative was just one day more of Brown’s rule then their votes weren’t entirely wasted.
‘a lot of people voted Conservative last may ‘just to keep Gordon out’
Not enough people voted Conservative to keep the labscum and the weirdems out
More people voted for a Conservative majority in 2010, than voted for a labour majority in 2005.
It’ll be decided on tomorrow’s turnout…apathy could still win it for the YES campaign particularly as quite a sizeable part of England is not holding local elections whereas Scotland where the electorate are in favour of AV…are. So whatever the weather people need to get out and vote “NO” or Clegg and the LibDems will have fucked the country over good n’proper…again
Local elections in my area of Surrey – a juicy NO vote from me, plus UKIP. I postal vote – was frauded by Liebour but makes it much easier for me!
Erm, the UKippers want AV
Do they? Shit, why didn’t we let Farage speak at our rallies?
(did we have any rallies?)
Yes you had rallies, where Ed childishly refused to be on the same platform as Clegg.
UKIPs leader wants AV, lots of the UKIP supporters do not.
+1
I shall be voting Yes on Thursday. Anything that smacks duplicitous Dave in the face.
Oh And UKIP of course.
I shall vote NO! Anything that smacks Clegg and Miliband in the face is good to me.
Two leaders slapped for the price of one. Bargain!
Calm down, folks.
It’s only the old Brer Rabbit and the Tar Baby distraction ploy.
Works for the Lib/Lab/Con shape-shifters every time.
Well that polling result is really no surprise.
Message from the British people to nick and militwit – you can’t fool all the people all the time . In militwit’s case – you can’t fool them at all.
Am currently failing to listen to Ed Miliband on Today; he’s got one of those voices that can make you forget what you were talking about in the first place. Brilliant talent for a politician – how can you be angry in a coma?
hahahaaha
And he got called “david”
You are feeling thleepy! Lithten to my voithe. Your eye lidth are getting heavier and heavier! Thleeep! Thleeeeeep!
I think I’ll vote YES just because I feel sorry for them.
Pity is for the weak.
Fawkes shilling for the Tories again. Yawn.
You know where the door is.
wanker
Fawks gets the shilling from the cons
rather a lot of them judging by the ads
Hmm, I must have been cut off from the world when John Reid, David Blunkett and co decided to become Tories.
Muppet.
In the final furlong, ComRes have the “No to AV” Campaign on 66% and the “Yes to AV” Campaign on 34%.
…..but the “Yes” will pip the “No’s” at the finishing line.
And that’s where it matters,I don’t give a damn about the final furlong
Yes TAT love !
Of course they will
Now take your medicine
Like most of us everybody is pissed off with corrupt MP’s
and the 34% probably just want a change
anything is better that the low life scum we currently have
the yes vote would let in minority parties like UKIP and BNP so in the long term would make politics more exciting
and they would be slightly more accountable !
Exactly my reasons for voting ‘yes’.
If smaller parties like UKIP and the English Democrats get more MPs then we have a better chance of a referendum on the EU.
But AV only gives supporters of the Fringe parties more opportunities to have their support for mainstream parties counted after their support for their own party has been eliminated.
But supporters of the mainstream will NOT have their second and third preferences for minor parties (such as UKIP) counted at all.
This is why, as a UKIP supporter, I am actually going against Farage’s wishes and voting NO
AV is just a con to artificially gain support from the fringes to add to the mainstream.
What artifice will the traitor liblabcon ruling class use to ensure their liblabcon police get away with murder yet again?
My heart bleeds
Thats very serious.
Much worse than your liver bleeding.
Hello hello hello. Did someone say murder? There are no murders, just gentlemen falling over in the street.
Serves him right for being shabbily-dressed. Anyway, I’m off to arrest and imprison an old lady who’s feeding pigeons.
They still can’t work out on AV who really won the London Marathon !
VOTE NO TO SLAVERY !!!
Democracy is not a horse race.
When you win, does that mean you take the prizes and bugger off and do what you like?
Oh perhaps it is.
That’s exactly what it is. Democracy is just a more polite form of mob rule.
O/T and a day late, but a chum sent me this from over the pond: http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/fighting-for-bin-laden/ Apart from the usual Muzzie nutters, note the bloke who hates the Afghan government and loves the Tallies because the government “steals his land and animals”! Will someone remind me again why our lads are in that shit hole, supposedly defending that totally fucked so-called government? That farmer obviously hasn’t heard of compulsory purchase orders!
Our Lads are fighting over there because the last Afghan government were medieval mongs who hated the West, grew narcotics, and brutalised women, whereas the new government are medieval mongs who hate the West, grow narcotics, and brutalise women.
But to lessen the number of British casualties, I’ve sent the boys top-notch life-saving devices; P45s.
The last bunch got medieval on anyone growing drugs. This lot are in the pay of the drug-lords.
I don’t think that Ed Milipede did the Yes half of Labour any favours on the Today programme this morning.
He never misses an opportunity to remain quiet.
Or rather he does.
I used to know a twat.
He thought that if only his party was voted in once, it would be so wonderful that his party would rule forever because of its wonderful policies.
Now I can only believe thats what people who think FPTP is great, and forget the FACT that you get flip-flop governments where the other party takes its turn. Why would you want to hand power to the polar opposite of your views for several years? You are kidding yourself that if only the idiot voters understood you, and lived through your marvellous (and magnificently well thought out) policies, you’d be in forever. I regard that as delusional. I am not pro-AV but I am anti flip-flop and ignoring 66% of the voters.
Of course, the twat in question thought that he would be prime minister after 3 terms of neil kinnock. Where is such a delusional git right now you may ask? I dunno, his wife makes him stay out of the limelight for the sake of her own career.
“I am not pro-AV ”
yeah right, just doing a very good impression of it.
so thats all you can say on the matter?
OK I will bite, why aren’t you pro-AV then?
A slightly throw away comment – that wasnt my main thrust. Clearly I’m not too pleased with politics as its currently “played” (inappropriate sporting wording thrown in there), and FPTP is part of that game.
AV does give out promises that it could change the status quo, but I’m not really convinced.
Not really an answer as to the reason you are opposed – merely a statement that you are unconvinced by AV
this might sound like a word game but “not pro-AV” meaning I wouldnt promote it, rather agnostic about it, not really bothered etc. I’m not really anti-AV and on balance it might be better than FPTP.
I am however increasingly annoyed by all the pro-status quo stuff, and politics as a game where you win a prize, rather than represent.
So irritated that I’d go as far as saying: If you like the current system, you’re as crackers as Derek Draper.
But we are only given a choice between the current system, and what I believe to be a slightly worse system.
So I will be voting No in the hope that a better system, or at least a fixed version of the current broken system will eventually come our way.
Even most of the avid supporters of AV admit that AV is not a good system, but only see it as a stepping stone to some form of PR.
I say, give us a choice between FPTP and PR at least then there would be two serious and very different, but both valid systems of electing a government.
AV really is a miserable little compromise, that is not proportional.
Wait for the Beeb to spin it as a low turnout so it doesn’t really count. Boy they were getting up the nose of Robert Winston on the telly this morning constantly “explaining” what AV meant and didn’t. Of course the professor is too thick to understand, unlike Sian “write off the frock to taxes” forgotten her surname
BBC breakfast TV is one of the outer circles of hell.
This is getting boring, Who has done more articles on AV , Guido or the Guradian ?. I will just be glad when its over.
In order to answer that question, I’d have to read the Guardian.
“its going to be a long day”
what more than 24 hours?
Days last much longer on Planet LimpDim.
First past the post : The county chamionship (Team that finishes first wins)
AV: Indian Premier League ( where the team that finishes forth can win the final)
No2AV
I thought that if you finished a game of cricket quickly you’d lost. (well … batting)
20/20 takes 3 hours , oh you said cricket
All I know about cricket is that it seems to be a game of endurance. Where those who take several years playing the game are the winners.
A bit like in “they shoot horses don’t they”.
1. You want to avoid getting hit by a cricket ball.
2. Cricket bats make excellent ‘machine guns’, so you can hide behind the pavilion, pretending to be in the SAS.
I thought hiding behind the pavilion was for smoking fags and getting your fingers smelly.
“…and getting your fingers smelly.”
FPTP result:
England 550-2 dec
Australia 250 and 301-9
Australia win.
that is a test match not the county championship.
which is of course far more appropriate when one is really talking about how best to form a government that reflects and respects the people of Britain.
I was using the county championship as a example because the one team that finshes top of the table wins, In the IPL the team that finishs forth can still win the title.
* There is world test rankings as well tho.
In the AV interpretation, Australia got two goes at batting, and what your score does not show is that when the Aussies were fielding, they had extra support drafted in from Sri Lanka, India, and the Windies, none of whom had enough popular support to play England, but wanted the Aussies to win.
When will Clegg realise that he is just Cameron’s patsy. He hasn’t achieved anything by partying with the Tories except personal degradation and abuse. The Lib Dems wanted personal allowances to start at £10,000 before tax was paid – all they got was an extra £1,000 on the status quo. The Lib Dems (and a lot of people in this country) wanted PR voting but all they got was a vote on the ludicrous AV system.
The Lib Dems better wake up because Cameron is laughing all the way to the sort of power which he is not entitled to. Disband the coalition now and let’s have a fresh election to see just what the public now want.
…and then if Labour don’t win, no doubt you’ll want us to have another election so that the electorate “make the correct choice”. Stop laughing at the back – it worked for the EU referendum in Ireland.
Vote anyone but Liblabcon.
The AV vote has been introduced to fail – and as a consequence, push the debate about real PR back 10 years. Clegg has been played, and the 34% who believe AV will be anything other than a buggers muddle are just useful idiots.
Presumably the Tories will no longer use Av in their leadership elections then.
they don’t you asshole!
Cameron is scared sh1tless that a lot of people will vote UKIP 1st and Conservative second – that is why he is against ! All those loverly Tory votes going where the people want ! Out of the EU !
I remember the tory leadership election and at no point did any of the MPs voting in that election get to select multiple preferences on the ballot. They all had a single vote for one single candidate in each round of voting. There was an equal number of rounds of voting as there were rounds of counting.
EVERY SINGLE VOTE CAST WAS COUNTED. Unlike AV!
Additionally, it was Ed Miliband who WAS selected as leader because of AV and he was a candidate his own party did not even want.
Can these pollsters please explain why they were giving YES the lead a month or two back are now so far behind? And I’m not believing that people have changed their minds! Was it another case of deliberately producing narrative polls, and if so, how does that currently reflect Labours proposterous position in the national polls and what would happen closer to an election?
Because a couple of months ago the electorate didn’t understand AV and now its been explained they realise it’s not going to benefit the country and is designed purely to keep the LibDems in government as the balancing party so they can force through PR as the price for agreeing to go into a coalition with the Tories or Labour whoever is the biggest party after 2015 election
The more those being polled about AV know about it, the less they like it, hence the shift – it’s all very simple.
Notwithstanding the Damascene conversion of one prole on BBC ‘once AV had been explained’.
The BBC must have filmed a lot of interviews to get that result – everyone who I know (even Lib Dem supporters) are anti AV once it’s been explained to them.
Same as the “electioneering with the leaders” items they had on BBC news at 10.
They had a woman ‘spontaneously’ question Cameron, but not be entirely satisfied with the answer. but with Ed they had another woman ‘spontaneously’ question ED and suddenly be all happy and smiley and announce to camera, (in a blatantly amateur dramatic way) “Oh, I think I will vote labour now”
They also had toenails ask Miliband a question that had already been posed to him by a “real” voter that he accidentally happened across in a shop.
They had Toenails ask him the question again so that Miliband could have time to have another chance to answer it, well away from the actual voter who asked it. Why did Miliband not answer the original question? Because he shit himself and ran away!
Totally obvious and blatant electioneering on behalf of labour by the BBC.
And whoever wins we will still be ruled by Brussels!
Documents leaked to the Daily Mail suggest the commercial arm of the Electoral Reform Society may have avoided corporation tax by recycling profits through a charity.
This AV thing is all a charade any way, as all the policies will be dictated by the N.W.O. in the EU. So whatever the voting procedure in the UK it will make little difference. EU rules OK!!?
PS why are we as a bankrupt country still paying all this foreign aid to richer countries than our own? Also why are our politicians so afraid to protect this country from all this immigration, the fucking country is overpopulated now FFS!!
Calm down, dear.
Moderation! Moderation! Moderation?
Free speech? forget it, even on this blog site!!!
If that poll is correct, the numbers are highly ironic. In the next general election we may well again have a party with 34% of the vote ‘winning’ or FPTP as you ludicrously claim – as has happened several times in recent elections.
So two thirds of voters will have voted against the ‘winners’.
Very sad and a triumph of Westminster dirty politics and personalisation over logic.
‘Westminster dirty politics and personalisation over logic’?
What? we are being given a free choice in a vote and your lot looks to have lost so it’s all wrong ??
I’m voting:
1. Yes
2. Ralph Nader
3. No
Fucking corkin that so many Labour MP’s are voting against the wishes of the bung-up, snivelling, lisping little Marxist J’oo
Fucking great lads
I was going to vote No, but when I saw Eddie Izzard explaining why it was so important to vote Yes, I fucking changed me mind, didn’t I.
Whenever I see a smug, self regarding, leftist tranvestite campainin on behalf of the Unions well I fucking allows meself to be swayed, as I am a monumental cu’nt
you can see why most Labour Mps are against it, look at thier Leader, they got the 2nd choice.
The perils of IT unaided by human intelligence – from the Grauniad:
Headlines: “North Korea holds 200,000 political prisoners, says Amnesty
Report by human rights group cites ex-inmates and defectors’ accounts of torture and executions in series of camps”
Associated article:
“See also
13 Apr 2011
The Guardian Guide to Camping”
”What I’m finding, up and down the counthry, ith that people think the cuths are too deep and fathst.”
That would be in Labour heartlands then Ed? Nearly 60% of the population think the cuts are either fair or not enough
Cut faster, cut deeper.
Have you ever seen Alex McLeish and Horatio Caine (CSI Miami) in the same room?
Why has the muslim socialist terrorist Obama murdered an unarmed innocent man? We all know 9/11 was an inside job by Bill Clinton and Sean Penn. Bin Laden posed no threat. We need Sarah Palin to restore decency and trust in the White House and to ban the teaching of evolution. God bless George Bush.
Evolution is crap if it’s led to this sort of shite. Do one.
Hi. Is earth 7000 years old?
Keep it up windowlicking neocon, you are talking language I understand, and I don’t understand very much.
I’m tat! I’m a mong! Yap yap yap yap wheeeeeee!
This ‘votes for women’ idea is confusing and would lead to hung parliaments, you mark my words.
HOPEFULLY there will be many more sensible NO people going to the polls!!!