April 13th, 2011

RCN Raps Lansley’s Knuckles by 98%

The Royal College of Nurses just passed a motion of no confidence in Andrew Lansley by 98.76. There was a shocking six votes against. The one pragmatic nurse on the platform who said they were risking their place at the top table and thus influence, was angrily heckled and booed. Both Miliband, Cameron and Clegg have been in a TV war all morning, trying to play  it up and trying to play it down.

Guido wonders how Scargill’s NUM would have voted at the height of Maggie’s trade union war…


  1. 1
    Billy Bowden is the greatest umpire ever ! says:

    it was like what happened to that blogger who wrote on labourlist, He wrote the truth and got hammered.

  2. 2
    The BBC doing what it does best.....attacking the Coalition says:

    The BBC scents blood and is giving this major prominence in all their news reports……they will shortly be calling for Lansley’s resignation no doubt

  3. 3
    Billy Bowden says:

    Hang him !!

  4. 4
    Billy Bowden is the greatest umpire ever ! says:

    Maybe the reason the unions are against anything this coalition does is not motivated by whats right but what trouble they can cause, there is a silent taxpayer majority that has its own opions of unions and the looney left influence that seems to be getting louder and louder.

    Be careful unions because the taxpayer might shout back.

  5. 5
    The BBC says:

    In another shocking new poll, we can reveal that 98.7% of turkeys voted against Christmas.

  6. 6
    Beast of ward b says:

    Just give the fat bitches some chocolates to eat at the talking shop they call a nursing station
    That will shut them up

    “Nurse I need my arse wiping”

    “Fuck off im txting, eating a curry and wondering which dr to fuck”

  7. 7
    sockpuppet #4 says:

    NUM: Would they even have bothered asking?
    “Do you think (forget his name who maggie brought in) is a nice chap?”

    A vote of no confidence doesnt cost anyone any real money.

  8. 8
    Anonymous says:


    In other news, the moon was seen in the sky this evening.

  9. 9
    Stan Butler says:

    If the left wing RCN is against the Government reforms then it would appear that the Government are on the right track. The NHS is nothing more than a job creation scheme for idle leftists. For every useful NHS employee there is an army of union officals, diversity monitors and 5 a day co-ordinators. ANy reform that benefits patients should be welcomed.

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    Engineer says:

    Nurses – the Enemy Within.

    To be fair, it’s not just nurses (I strongly suspect that those attending the conference are mostly the militant ones, anyway), it’s many in the public sector whipped up by loony union rhetoric.

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    sockpuppet #4 says:

    A theme I’ve been on about before:

    Perhaps they’re cynical that the changes won’t just be another shake up thats a pain in the arse and doesnt lead to improvements.

  12. 12
    sockpuppet #4 says:

    Quite right. I think the answer is to give GPs loads more money. Just like labour did.

  13. 13
    Dr Leslie Phillips ward B says:

    Well hello !
    The wifes just downed a vat of acid and I may be able to help you
    Ding Dong

  14. 14
    tomdickandharry says:

    Comparing the RCN’s current predicament to the NUM in the 1980s is an idiotic analogy.

    – The use of mines had diminished massively (unlike nurses now)
    – Government policy was directly hostile to the miners (unlike nurses now)
    – Because of the nature of miner communities, the government reform would impact whole towns (unlike nurses now)
    – Miners had a history of left-wing (and in SW Wales Communist) serious political activity (unlike nurses now)

    Your attempt to belittle the nurses vote as some kind of Scargill-esque partisan move is intellectually dishonest.

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    Billy Bowden is the greatest umpire ever ! says:

    “There was a shocking six votes against.”

    They will be hunted down and shot by dawn.

  16. 16

    Lansley, just scrap your reforms.
    let the funding dry up, as it will, and let the PCTs axe nurse numbers over 5 years.

    When everyone goes mad say, well…we did try to sort it out, but …

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    ampersfa says:

    If there is one thing left orientated people hate, it is a glimmer of intelligence.

  18. 18
    Peace through superior firepower says:

    Who cares what 600 nurses think.

  19. 19
    Anonymous says:

    Conflict of interest
    While in opposition as health spokesman, Andrew Lansley accepted a donation of £21,000 from John Nash, the chairman of private healthcare provider Care UK and founder of the private equity fund Sovereign Capital, which owns several other private healthcare companies, to help fund his private office, leading to allegations of a conflict of interest.[15][16] Such companies stand to be the biggest beneficiaries of Conservative policies to increase the use of private health providers within the NHS.[17].

    Health policy
    Lansley has also courted controversy by putting fast food companies such as McDonald’s, KFC and processed food and drink manufacturers such as PepsiCo, Kellogg’s, Unilever, Mars and Diageo at the heart of writing government policy on obesity, alcohol and diet-related disease, said by campaign groups to be the equivalent of handing smoking policy over to the tobacco industry.[22][2

    Personal life

    Lansley’s wealth is estimated at £700,000.[24]
    In 1997 Lansley left his first wife, Dr Marilyn Biggs, with whom he had three children. He has two children with his second wife Sally Low.[25] He is a member of the Church of England.[26]

    Lansley’s wife runs a PR firm that works on behalf of food and drug companies. She advises them on how to “establish positive relationships with decision-makers”.[27]
    [edit]Food advertisers
    Until December 2009, Lansley received £134 an hour from a firm of advertisers that represents clients such as Walkers Crisps, McDonalds, Unilever, Mars and Pizza Hut; Private Eye suggests a link between these activities and Lansley’s desire to see a more lightly regulated food industry.[28] The same publication suggested a similar link to a Department of Health report on Red Meat in which the only products listed in the report found to contain suitable amounts of red meat to merit a “Good” rating were a McDonald’s Big Mac, and a Pepperami (manufactured by Unilever).

  20. 20
    Ed Balls, Shallow Chancer says:

    These cuts to turkeys’ throats are ideological Tory cuts. They are too far, too deep. We would cut over four years and Labour cuts would not hurt.

  21. 21
    Little Boy Blue says:

    NUM – there was a hell of a lot in the mining industry who were utterly against Scargill and what he was trying to do. I should know, I was one of them.

  22. 22
    Ac/Dc/Ac says:

    Nursing … another profession that exists on past reputation when todays reality is a shadow of its former self.
    Solution: Sack the lazy half of them, give the remainder a 20% pay rise and more patients would survive, costs fall and productivity would quadruple.

  23. 23
    Anonymous says:

    Just sack him.

  24. 24
    Lord Wayne of Trombone says:

    should ask them to vote on “NHS is a pile of shit but we can’t admit it”

  25. 25
    Billy Bowden is the greatest umpire ever ! says:

    But i thought Andrew Lansleys plans where the same as new labours?

    Re your conflict of intrest charge.

    Isnt that like labour mps being funded by the unions and co-op and passing bills so they get benifits?

  26. 26
    Anonymous says:

    Or may be because he is in it to make money for himself without caring for the people.

  27. 27
    Dawn says:

    I will refuse to pull the trigger.

  28. 28
    BillyBob.....time to ban the burpa !! says:

    Angels of mercy ?????? No way…… Hitler’s sisters more like !!

  29. 29
    Engineer says:

    There may be more merit in rebalancing the NHS workforce with fewer administrative and more clinical staff, and expecting a culture of service to the customer (or taxpayer). If there are waiting lists for treatment, it could be because there are not enough doctors, and if nurses are so burdened with paperwork that they can’t care for patients, perhaps we need a careful review of what paperwork is really needed, and a few more nurses.

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    Billy Bowden is the greatest umpire ever ! says:

    So giving more power to GPs is bad for the patient?

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    Anonymous says:

    Obviously not addressing a hostile audience to defend and explain your policy means different things depending who you are.

    If you are Ed Miliband it means your policy is wrong.

    If you are Andrew Lansley it means your audience is wrong.

  32. 32
    BillyBob.....time to ban the burpa !! says:

    Must be overpaid as most are fugly and obese !

  33. 33
    School for scoundrels says:

    And they wonder why he wont make a speech to them?

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    Bartholomew - George Osborne's teddy says:

    It was a dreadful mistake to send Anne Milton. Here in Guildford we live in fear of the sight of her wobbling down the Epsom Road like Mrs Overall in a fluorescent pink tracksuit. She must have been an awful reminder to the nurses of what they could become.

  35. 35
    Engineer says:

    In fairness to the Nottinghamshire miners, that’s true. In some other areas, they either weren’t so numerous, or were intimidated into keeping quiet.

  36. 36
    Nick Clegg says:

    The government announced today that it’s changing its emblem from a union jack to a condom.

    It allows for inflation, halts production, destroys the next generation, protects a bunch of dicks, and gives you a sense of security while you’re actually being screwed

  37. 37
    Beast says:

    My two GPs inhabit a building worth several million quid so the pay cant be that bad
    The p aki one lives in regents park the senior partner is a mad four by 2 and they always try and get you to have “health CHEQUES”
    Mysteriously there are never any burka or pajama wearing types in the waiting room, nor macaroons so good luck to them

  38. 38
    Mornington Crescent says:

    Well, my nearest hospital is the Maidstone & Tunbridge Wells, I have family in North Staffs and, to top it off, my parents are elderly: http://news.bbc.co.uk/today/hi/today/newsid_9397000/9397837.stm

    You know what? I have no confidence in nurses – not a fucking shred of it.

    Incompetent, stroppy overpaid trollops the lot of ‘em. Fuck ‘em.

  39. 39
    Tugboatden says:

    Which, whilst making very interesting reading, doesn’t mean that Lansley isn’t right to confront the mindset that consistently hides behind the smokescreen of clinical practice as the reason for not accepting the compelling need for change.

  40. 40
    Bartholomew - George Osborne's teddy says:

    Why do you want to ban the burka? My man favours making it compulsory for Grand Dames Beckett and May.

  41. 41
    Anonymous says:

    Unions are there for the benefit of many of its members (money was contributed by millions of workers).

  42. 42
    Mornington Crescent says:


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    sockpuppet #4 says:

    I’ve not looked into it in detail, I don’t know what the difference between these reports and when the GPs got a bit more power and pocketed the difference before. I don’t put GPs on a high pedestal that says they must be able to make the right decisions.

    If there aren’t enough doctors … do you get them to do all the admin?

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    Billy Bowden is the greatest umpire ever ! says:

    Hang on Guido, Wasnt this the same union that gave Pat hewwit a slow hand clap a few years ago and a rough ride?

  45. 45
    Bartholomew - George Osborne's teddy says:

    To be fair, you should not judge the general attractiveness of nurses based on the appearance of Blinky Bollocks and Piggy Pickles when attending the Westminster Uniform Club.

  46. 46
    Billy Bowden is the greatest umpire ever ! says:

    Who represents the benifit of the taxpayers?

  47. 47
    Mad, Bad & Dangerous Gordon McRuin says:

    That’s plagiarism from my and Ed’s policies.

  48. 48
    AC1 says:

    Some call it the National Death Service


  49. 49
    Bartholomew - George Osborne's teddy says:

    I believe Boris has been hard at work attempting to follow your last instruction.

  50. 50
    Anonymous says:

    What is wrong is making GP’s give money to the private sector (cherry pick money making services) and getting directorships in these companies when you leave office. Also GPs aren’t accountants and like Osborne hasn’t got any training on how to control the spend.

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    Southern Softy says:

    Don’t you mean *Unions are there for the benefit of many of its leaders*?

  52. 52
    BillyBob.....time to ban the burpa !! says:

    hahahahahahahahahaha good point !!

  53. 53
    sockpuppet #4 says:

    Perhaps. one should set up a few commitees to find out. And the GPs can have a few “meetings” in 5* hotels every year to make sure.

  54. 54
    Stan Butler says:

    Not just the members..


    And not just in the UK.


    Seems like an awful lot of members cash is featherbedding those union leaders…

  55. 55
    Bartholomew - George Osborne's teddy says:

    Ah Dick Sniffin – back from the Basildon paedophile club meeting.

  56. 56
    Billy Bowden is the greatest umpire ever ! says:

    Most Gps are already in the private sector and they runthier own buisness.

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    Engineer says:

    GPs run businesses at the moment, and employ people to do the admin. Think the lack of doctors lies more in the hospital side – that seems to be where the waiting lists are.

    I may be wrong in this, but I think there was a problem getting recruits to be GPs years ago. Since their pay shot up, that’s no longer a problem.

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    Anonymous says:

    What’s wrong is that we cannot trust this man; if there is a law that stops him or his family benefiting from the private providers then we can trust this guy. Based on what he has done, after this this guy might leave and will be paid millions by the same companies that benefited for his advice or directorship.

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    Angela Lansbury should have thought through this policy. 7 years and stil it isn’t clear what he’s trying to do.

    Murder he wrote.

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    Eeu to me says:

    MMM, I was wondering why the youconned us were letting the doctors get the cream in the top of the bottle, every one knows if a doctor is good and loves doing their job they would be too busy healing people, runninig a hospital as well could be a bit over the top so given the chance they would contract that out to others, just wondering or am I being a cynical turd who see’s badness in all politician’s words

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    SaltPetre says:

    I had family in an NHS hospital recently. The nurses were mostly fat, lazy, rude and neglected their patients. They sat in an ante room talking and laughing about doctor’s cocks they had sucked – or smoking and spitting at the entrance to the hospital grounds. The junior doctors all wanted to be treated like gods and talked over the patients in their arrogant style. I agree with other comments here – sack half of them and give the rest (the good ones) a pay rise.

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    notareargunner says:

    With enormous pay packets for OFFICIALS who feather their OWN nests…and don’t do squiddly dittt for their members!!!!

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    Southern Softy says:

    Most GP’s are overpaid social workers who offer a friendly ear and then either prescribe a pill or refer the patient on to a Specialist.
    As the principle of paying for the service (Dental and prescriptions) is already established, there should be a charge to see the Doctor.
    NO freebies just because you are on benefits.
    The number of pests clogging up the NHS would fall dramatically, reducing the cost to the taxpayer overnight.

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    Anonymous says:

    Big business or businessmen aren’t representing the tax payers either, they have their off shore tax havens. As tax payer and voter you have to find people who will look after your interest.

    If you can do some thing good Billy, why don’t you stand for election.

  65. 65
    Gordon Brown says:

    I’m still here. I made no mistakes.

  66. 66
    Mornington Crescent says:

    …and succeeding…

  67. 67
    Desperate Dan says:

    I have no confidence in the RCN.

  68. 68
    Desperate Dan says:

    That’s different. She deserved it.

  69. 69
    School for scoundrels says:

    Yes,but that was because she was fucking useless…

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    Engineer says:

    I think there was an American comedian who, during the debates about Obama’s health reforms, quipped, “If you think healthcare is expensive now, wait till you see how much it costs when it’s free.”

    Many a true word spoken in jest.

  71. 71
    Anonymous says:

    Do you trust him with your health?

    Health policy

    Lansley has also courted controversy by putting fast food companies such as McDonald’s, KFC and processed food and drink manufacturers such as PepsiCo, Kellogg’s, Unilever, Mars and Diageo at the heart of writing government policy on obesity, alcohol and diet-related disease, said by campaign groups to be the equivalent of handing smoking policy over to the tobacco industry.

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    AC1 says:

    They’re basically fighting over who gets to keep the rent, big business, or the unions.

    It should be neither. Health care is too important to let bureaucrats ration it.

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    Grammar School Boy says:

    Ian MacGregor – think ‘carrier bag on head’ moment.

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    Billy Bowden is the greatest umpire ever ! says:

    The goverment should not tell us what we can and cant eat.

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    Moussa Koussa says:

    You really are the most awful apologist Guido. 98.76 % against… 1.24% for…and you qoute one of the 1.24%….APOLOGIST TWAT !!!!!!.

    I suppose all nurses are left wing scum now.

    PS hows Moussa Koussa’s stay at the 5 star Doha hotel this morning.

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    AC1 says:

    The previous Government put health union interests (as they fund the Looter party) above the interests of the ill.

    The NHS “model” is Extortion funded Bureaucratic Treatment Rationing and it just doesn’t work.

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    Brown Skidmarx says:

    Surprised? It’s been relentless from the BBC since the election last year. Not closet New Labour but openly biased in their views and broadcasts. Overpaid doom and gloom salesmen. Can we have a vote of confidence in the BBC and its political bias?

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    Tardkiller says:

    maybe the assorted windowlickers on here need to do some proper reading before they villify ‘Nurses’

    most of you don’t know the difference between proper nurses and care assistants (mainly thanks to the uniform policy of managment).


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    patients are just a fucking nuisance says:

    Some of the young female doctors at my hospital look fucking hot, and I won’t hear a word said against them.

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    AC1 says:

    You hit on an important point. It’s next to IMPOSSIBLE to sack staff for ANY reason. If you do manage to it’ll take years, it’s then impossible to put on their reference the reason they were sacked.

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    voice from frontline says:

    The vast majority of staff on your average NHS ward are not Nurses. The are carers. They have never attended any kind of Nursing school either hospital based or university based. On your average shift 3 out of 5 staff are non nurses. My 6 chair hair salon has more than 5 staff on duty at any given time. My 35 bed ward? Never more than 5.

    There are no ward jobs for real Nurses. New nurses are signing on or leaving the country. You really don’t have any degree Nurses working on the wards or in NHS management. They are rare birds in the UK.

    The vast majority of Nurses in the NHS both in high level management positions (chief nurse, matrons, nurse specialists) ARE INDEED OLDER NURSES WHO TRAINED UNDER THE OLD SYSTEM.

    Of the few Nurses on the wards, the VAST MAJORITY are older nurses who trained under the old system. My ward has no degree nurses unless you count me (and I had old fashioned hospital training as well as the degree I did abroad). The ward upstairs? No degree nurses. The ward downstairs? No degree nurses. The matrons? Nurses who trained in the 70’s who got degrees later. The Sisters? Ancient hospital trained certificate nurses, older than Methulusah. And so on and so forth.

    Where people are getting the idea that there are all these degree nurses running around NHS hospitals from I have no idea. Our newer Nurses are mostly in Australia doing direct patient care with a 4 to 1 ratio. What is left in the NHS? Ancient nurses who trained decades ago and are too old to immigrate. But of course an NHS ward only has two of them a shift (sometimes one for an entire ward). The rest of the staff is comprised of untrained uneducated unlicensed carers. The few new nurses we have taken on are absolutely disgusted. They hate being the only qualified on shift and being so snowed with drugs, orders, etc that they have to leave patient contact to carers who cannot connect the dots between general condition and plan of care. They are quitting.

    Even if a new Nurse qualifies with a degree and gets a job she cannot just go straight into management or clipboarding. She has to get years of experience as a bedside arse wiping drug giving sheet changing Nurse before she can even think about moving on. And as there is no promotion or jobs she isn’t going to be moving on into anything. She sure has hell cannot even look at specialist nursing until she has years and years of old fashioned nursing experience under her belt.

    If you see a Nurse filling in forms at mealtime it is because she just got orders for a blood transfusion for a patient who is bleeding to death and haematology wants the Nurse to fill in 100 forms to actually get the blood. If she feeds the patients and then fills in the forms to get the blood her patient will be dead. And so is she. Pharmacy, path lab, equipment library and social services are the true cause of lots of form filing. The hoops that they make us jump through to get what we need and avoid a medical crisis are insane.

    Matrons, chief nurses and Sisters are figure heads with no authority. Never forget that. They have no say in staffing or how many Nurses they are allowed to hire. They have no say in whether or not we get carers rather than Nurses. They have no say about cleaners or how many hours they can work. They have no say about whether or not we can have a ward clerk, or if broken equipment on the ward can be replaced or fixed. Everything is controlled by the folks who hold the purse strings. The ones who really try to push the issue are out of a job. The rest just ask for things and get told No.

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    Hugh Janus says:

    And we would still finish up teetering on the edge of bankruptcy when the money markets finally lost patience. I would like to say that Call-Me-Dave has averted this, but as time goes on I feel that he is just delaying the inevitable because he is in denial of all things Conservative. I genuinely believe that he too is now proving himself to be a liability, due to his spineless conduct.

    If he is the best the party has then God help us all.

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    Bardirect says:

    your description is sufficient to identify the hospital as King’s College. Next time try to obscure some of the details to preserve your relative’s anonymity.

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    AC1 says:

    Maybe you want to do some proper reading before you put Nurses on a pedestal.


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    Roundabout Comment says:

    Great idea. I’d block up the hole and get both of the them to walk across the M25.

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    Taxfodder says:

    The unelected coalition would do better sorting out the troughers in their own ranks, fat cat council Chiefs and giving less cash to Pakistan and Europe.

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    AC1 says:

    You don’t need a degree to feed people who cannot feed themselves, collect their waste, and make sure the bed is clean and tucked in.

    The problem is their is too little actual care and too many people like you who think that academic certificate makes them better at their job when it makes them worse.

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    uncivil servant says:

    Doctors, Nurses, Health Care Assistants, Speech and Language Therapists, O/T’s, RP3’s, Palliative Care staff, Cleaners and Tea Staff………a certain percentage all eminently shaggable.

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    Anonymous says:

    AC1; under the previous government waiting times reduced as well as more hospitals built. If you remember, John Major’s government was closing hospitals.

    I am sure NHS could improve a lot; but do you trust this man to do it? I believe based on the information available he is trying to make money for himself and friends.

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    AC1 says:

    > make money for himself without caring for the people.

    That sounds like my experience of NHS “workers”.

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    labourunionsbbc we are one says:

    If you are gordon McCoward it means you don’t show up.

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    Four-eyed English Genius says:

    Unions are there for the benefit of many of its members

    WERE, not any more they are not!

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    Billy Bowden says:

    Never before has the RCN voted on a motion of no confidence in a Health Secretary.

    There were 478 votes in favour, six against and 13 abstentions.

    Right wing political blogger,Guido Fawkes told delegates it was a “very, very serious issue.

    “Mr Lansley says he wants to hear from us – well go out on to the wards, go out into the community and listen to what our colleagues are saying.

    “This is being driven by ideological dogma, not what is best for our patients.”

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    annette curton says:

    Look, if you keep asking for yet another cow pie just after your gastric band has been fitted what do you expect? they think you are taking the piss.

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    Engineer says:

    You’re pissed off – how do you think we feel? We visit relatives in hospital and see inedible food thust at them in a rush, we see dirty wards, we get curt brushoffs if we ask reasonable questions. If we’re the patient, it’s even worse. To add insult to injury, we pay through the nose for this (£120 billion or so this year – that’s about £2000 a year from every man, woman and child in the country).

    Don’t you think it’s time the NHS had a swift kick up the jacksie?

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    AC1 says:

    The problem is the GMC (GP union) deliberately makes sure the country has too few GPs so the pay is higher than it should be.

    Less GMC = More GPs.

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    Billy Bowden is the greatest umpire ever ! says:

    The problem is there is no current incentive for the NHS to improve they have a garuneted income of some 90 billion , they have no need to worry about the service it provides.

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    The Impartial Observer says:

    “….the equivalent of handing smoking policy over to the tobacco industry.”

    Interesting simile because, as you’re presumably in favour of the NHS being in the hands of the medical staff who understand health issues, you shouldn’t object to the tobacco industry being in charge of smoking policy. After all who would understand tobacco issues more fully?

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    Penfold says:

    Demonstrates that they are a bunch of dick-heads.
    The re-organisation and budgetary cuts are not made by Lansley, they’re forced by the deficit. We’ve overspent and cannot afford to spend.
    Actual cuts are made by mangement!!, who naturally arn’t going to cut their own jobs, but would rather make cuts of a political nature and embarass the government, by slashing front line services.
    The public sector is incapable of running to a budget and effecting savings. The mantra is to spend what you are given as a de-minimus and try to extract ever more money by overspending and pretending that the budget is insufficient.
    Blackmail is the usual methodology, and trashing the service for users is the usual result when spending is reined back.

    The RCN is pandering to its employers and playing at politics.

    Time for a reality check and for the NHS to be handed to private mangers.

    Scargill’s NUM being a bunch of dinosaurs and nodding donkeys would have done exactly as they were told to do by their leaders, who would have done exactly as they were told to do.

  100. 100
    AC1 says:

    The NHS needs disbanding and reforming around the patients, not the staff.

    Only competing providers and giving patients choice (i.e. catastrophic insurance and health vouchers) can do this.

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    Anonymous says:

    Peace & Guido, I think the nurse at the top right of this message fwed is awfully tewwibly pwetty. Could we have more pictures like her please?
    Pwetty please?

    Now what was the story about?

  102. 102
    Anonymous says:

    Billy, partly true. But they are still part of NHS even their pension is paid by NHS and they are not allowed to pay them what ever they like, like the private sector. But based on what is happening they might end up paying themselves more.

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    And millions was ‘donated’ by the taxpayer under training programmes set up under the last Labour administration, which co-indicidentally, received kick backs of similar amounts less what some would term a ‘generous handling fee’ in a scheme that they might also call ‘money laundering’.

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    Nurse Ratchitt says:

    Why? Because some gobby scouse bints are having a hissy fit that they may have to do some work once in a while?

  105. 105
    AC1 says:

    NHS staff are not the brightest, they just think they should loot more off the taxpayer regardless of economic conditions. I should know I’ve spoken to a few and they all say the same.

    They also hate the idea of competing for patients.

    You see the same impervious-to-logic arrogance at the similarly harmful and extortion funded BBC.

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    nhs worker says:

    its not a pile of shit, its just run that way.

    ps, if you erradicated half the managment it there would be no adverse effects

  107. 107
    Trust me I'm a Doctor says:

    This guy is a Doctor – if he doesn’t understand it gawd ‘elp us!


  108. 108
    nurse says:

    I hope you never get sick

  109. 109
    Engineer says:

    Since we pay the bill, we should tell the GMC to take a running jump.

  110. 110
    Anonymous says:

    Have you used the hospitals in USA?

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    The Banks says:

    Let the public pay for it through private companies because they never ever fuck up.

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    AC1 says:

    > waiting times reduced as well as more hospitals built.

    Not really. Waiting times were completely false. I know because I turned up to get something back from the 2000 pounds a year extorted from me for the NDS, and found I needed to come back in a few weeks in order to get on the 2 week waiting list… When I finally got to see someone they were the NHS provided their usual surly and unhelpful “service”.

    Those PFI hospitals were an example of the extent the looter party were prepared to go to fiddle statistics. In this case the PFI was used in order to hide the debt.

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    boulay says:

    GBP2,00 per year, that’s a rip off – i pay less then that for my (very comprehensive) health insurance in one of those evil countries that do not have “free” healthcare…..

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    Barry says:

    The Goverenment are taking on three very powerful bodies; Hospital Consultants, Hospital Unions, and NHS Hospital Management. They will have to be very good to control and reform the hospital tail that wags the NHS dog.

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    fat person says:

    and who would know more about obesity ?

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    Anonymous says:

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    Stan Butler says:

    Two hospital experiences. My old Dad had to have a heart op last year. He was treated in an NHS specialist hospital in Liverpool. The care was great and the op a success. The food was OK, the place was clean. The staff were great. A week or so after discharge he developed a complication. Ambulance job and he was rushed into our local general hospital. Initial diagnosis was wrong and he suffered for it. He was kept in a cubicle area with a foul youth suffering a drug overdose and a poor old dear with a broken hip who was moaning in pain.
    He was moved to a ward. Food was inedible and we had to bring our own in for him. Nurses and carers couldn’t care less. Floor filthy. Paint peeling on the walls. When I asked for a refill for his water jug I was told I would have to wait for a domestic orderly. I asked the nurse where the fucking tap was. Fat and idle staff, shit food, dirty wards. How can two hospitals in the same geographic area have such differing standards? One superb, one awful.

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    AC1 says:

    A better measure would be about 6000 GBP/year for every worker.

    Amongst other things We’re paying to encourage people with AIDS to enter the country (50% of patients are foreigners).

    The NHS is one of the most harmful things to this country.

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    close but no cigar says:

    Interesting simile because, as you’re presumably in favour of the NHS being in the hands of the giant pharmaceutical corporations who understand health issues, you shouldn’t object to the tobacco industry being in charge of smoking policy. After all who would understand tobacco issues more fully?

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    Billy Bowden is the greatest umpire ever ! says:

    Wouldnt it just be cheaper if we scrapped the NHS and the goverment bought health insurence for everyone?

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    Dave's Beeboid Spindoctor says:

    Hear! Hear!

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    tax payer says:

    and do what, the taxpayer has no say whatsoever in anything.

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    statechaos says:

    It’s like asking 600 benefit claimants to have a vote of confidence in Ian Duncan-Smith. Totally pointless.

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    Stan Butler says:

    You don’t have to pay for an army of leftist union officers, 5 a day co-ordinators, diversity officers and layer upon layer of non jobs for people who couldn’t get employment in the real world.

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    U-Turn if you want to, Wavy Davy's always turning says:

    And that’s why Dave has shit all over Lansley and his loony reforms.

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    Anonymous says:

    Under Major’s government you have to wait more than six months not two weeks. If you cannot afford to go private try to protect what you have, as this man will end up messing it.

    Do you want it to be worse than what it is now?

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    Dave loves the BBC says:

    is he the PM ?

    then shut the fuck up

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    AC1 says:

    It’s a pile of shit and the very structure of the NHS (Extortion funded, bureaucratic treatment rationing) is the cause. If the whole economy was run in the same way as the NHS, Britain would be a (official) Soviet country, and history tells us Marxism just doesn’t work.

    The fun thing would be to let people opt-out of paying for and receiving NHS, and see how many go “No thanks!”

    It would be like NHS specs v The modern Opticians. No one waits for glasses any more, glasses are much better, there’s many more places to get glasses, there’s many alternatives to glasses.

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    mong watch says:

    I was in the NHS recently and the doctors and nurses killed me and my family with axes then pissed on our graves

    I got better

  130. 130
    AC1 says:

    Benefit claimants often have to do stuff for their money.

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    Sarah Palin 1 says:

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    The Banksters says:

    We dont.

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    Billy Bongo is the shittest tourist ever ! says:

    You tell us Billy Bumblefuck ? Is that how they do it in New Zealand ?

  134. 134
    Cynical-old-bag says:

    Nothing in your posting about Neil Kinnock’s interest in the AV company, then.

    Bit of an error on your part, methinks.

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    AC1 says:

    The difference between Business provision and say State provided is this.
    1/ you can choose whether or not to fund the business, whereas the state extorts.
    2/ you can choose which business to fund, the state always sets up monopolies.
    3/ In healthcare the business will charge more for those who do not take care of their health, the state will punish those who work and subsidise (encourage) those who do not take care of their health.

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    lolol says:

    There are no bureaucrats in the private sector.

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    Captn P says:

    With over 1 million employees how can the NHS possibly work any more efficiently than they do now? They are down to the wire all around, impossible to find savings in an organisation that spends billions a year.

    Do they think everyone is stupid?

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    death panel mong says:

    They’re still brighter than your hero Sarah Palin. But so is a pile of monkeyshit.

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    scratch and sniff says:

    no – because he’s thick as pigshit

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    YorkshireLad says:

    The eminently shaggable ones are usually insatiable!

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    Anonymous says:

    Agreed, we lefties prefer a preponderance of intelligence. So much common ground!

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    Sarah Palin 1 says:

    Okay Sarah. When are you going to run BTW ?

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    AC1 says:

    It couldn’t possibly be worse than what the looter party left.

    A debt we cant afford to repay.
    A treatment rationing service that rewards ill health and punishes work.
    A group of un-sackable, unhelpful staff.
    A virtual monopoly on treatment.
    A system whereby if you’re ill you’re a cost to be minimised.

    IMHO Things got even worse for patients since 1997. Can I have my money back as I choose private now?

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    All NeoCons are Fuckwits says:

    No ranting about mooslims and burning korans on your site?

    Don’t worry, I’ll helpfully quote a few of your gems from here on there for you.

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    Sir Everard Digby says:

    I see,we dare to question the new religion which is the NHS and its clergy. Been in hospital myself recently. Care is not a word which came to mind during my stay.

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    you don't get to pick and choose dumbo says:

    I wasn’t as stupid as you and didn’t support the Iraq catastrophe.

    Can I have my money back for that?

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    AC1 says:

    NICE is the proof of Death Panels.

    Why does Sarah Palin makes you so angry? Have you got “issues”?

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    AC1 says:

    When are we going to see that blog you promised.

    Hope you can keep your temper in check this time. Last time I asked you went foaming at the mouth nuts.

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    Cynical-old-bag says:

    Doctors don’t get all this for nothing. I believe they have to buy into the practice if they are fortunate enough to be offered a Partnership – and this costs a lot of money. Most will have to take out huge loans to pay for this, although their investment will go towards their retirement.

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    Go live in the US if you want their healthcare says:

    You’re so out of touch with the British public it’s hilarious.

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    tardkiller says:

    in answer to most of the comments, its not the staff, its the management.

    same goes for the police force with its awefull SMTs and ACPO

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    AC1 says:

    The NHS should go to the real world. Health Care vouchers and catastrophic insurance are much preferable to State rationing.

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    Go live in the US if you want their healthcare says:

    She makes me laugh. Like you do.

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    AC1 says:

    I feel sad about your projection.

    Are you feeling that out of touch with the rest of society?

    It’s sad. Your Mental Illness is a terrible thing.

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    Smig says:

    You’d cut with one hand and spend with the other. More smoke and mirrors Mein Shadow Chancer.

    Go back to playing drinking games and leave me alone. I can spend my money as I see fit instead of having it ripped out of my pocket by your malodorous colleagues on both sides of the debating chamber.

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    uncivil servant says:

    Yeah, good innit?

  157. 157
    reheated US tea-bagger idiocy won't work in Britain says:

    Go live in the Sudan if you want the paradise of living without a State and we’ll see how long you last.

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    AC1 says:

    I’m amazed you care so much you collect all our posts. Maybe you could try and be a little less obsessive? It would be good for your failing mental health.

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    AC1 says:

    I’ve used Private in the UK. It’s brilliant. I’m not treated as a cost.

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    You're projecting again AC1 says:

    When are you going to burn the koran in you blog?

    You’re a spittle flying far right nutbag and gutless, which just makes it all the more amusing.

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    The Sheikh Of Arabeeee says:

    Bollocks to the nurses.

    They’re a bunch of bone-idle fucking stroppy fucking slags who are now too posh to wipe arses. They’re a fucking disgrace.

    The NHS is full of useless fuckwits who wouldn’t last ten seconds in the private sector.

    It ceased to be about the patients years ago.

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    AC1 says:

    As you live on benefits, you can’t have your money back because you haven’t paid anything.

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    You're projecting again AC1 says:

    Always projecting AC1.

    Anyone who holds up Sarah Palin as a hero is clearly batshit insane.

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    Captn P says:

    Yet it is the “staff” that have voted in a motion of no confidence. What does the staff propose to do instead? They have had a full year to give a response to the proposals put forward?

    Please keep in mind … THERE IS NO MORE MONEY …

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    AC1 says:

    You’re frothing up now. I wonder when you’ll be sock-puppeting again.

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    Anonymous says:

    AC1; still nothing is improving. Even after a year we haven’t got the money we gave the banks, banks are gambling again without lending to small businesses.

    You say “debt we cant afford to repay” then how on earth we are giving billions to other countries? This government is giving billions in overseas aid, to EU and basket cases (like Ireland and Portugal). Where is all these money coming from?

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    Sarah Palin 1 says:

    Why don’t you answer the question instead of going through your only 2 brainless cut and paste replies ?

    Why don’t you go and live in the US if you think their healthcare is so superior ?

    Is it because even they wouldn’t accept someone as sick in the head as you ?

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    AC1 says:

    Wrong. IT IS THE STAFF * The very structure of the NHS.

  169. 169
    Sarah Palin 1 says:

    Projecting again AC1. Your rampaging mental illness is terrible to behold.

  170. 170
    Anonymous says:

    Things aren’t what they used to be.

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    Cynical-old-bag says:

    If the people who had the power to spend the NHS allowance spent it more wisely, and by that, I mean negotiated properly for drugs, cleaning, supplies, and the like, I’m sure a substantial amount of money could be saved.

    It appears to me that NHS bosses will think nothing of paying a company £200 plus to change a light bulb and nobody questions this at all.

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    AC1 says:

    Laughing is good for your failing mental Health. I’m glad I helped you in some way and hope you get better soon.

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    AC1 says:

    I haven’t made any racist comments; I’m the director of a major euality charity!

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    AC1 says:

    I’m Nick Griffin!

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    The NHS is good in parts but in some pretty dire says:

    Quite easily the same applies to hospitals in my area….one excellent, the other basically rubbish…in fact in the local GPs surgery there is a notice on the wall which says …”In the event of having to be taken by ambulance to A&E patients should request that you are taken to Hospital X and not Hospital Y” which rather says it all…

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    AC1 says:

    Wow, you’d think that anyone could use the name ‘AC1′ on here, wouldn’t you?

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    AC1 says:

    You just come across as lonely and angry. I somehow cannot picture you laughing.

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    Nigel S says:

    Or North Korea for the opposite perspective, somewhere in between I guess then.

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    All NeoCons are Fuckwits says:

    Hurrr durr

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    oh dead AC1's getting angry says:

    What a shame you can’t answer as usual.
    You must find it very tough being exposed as such a complete simpleton.

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    AC1 says:

    You’ll need to write a question then!

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    Sarah Palin 1 says:

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    Anonymous says:

    yes but if whom they contract it out to turns out to be crap or pisses them off they are still ultimately in charge (can sack them), unlike now.

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    Anonymous says:

    Just look at the railway privatisation!

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    I don't need no doctor says:

    The RCN are only concerned with saving their own jobs. It’s not to do with their concern for patients.
    The NHS is massively over staffed, a result of labour throwing money at the NHS. Labour believed, and still do, that the more people the NHS employs the better the service. That, I am afraid, is a load of bollocks, and labour know it
    More bodies does not equate to greater efficiency.
    Who is winding the RCN up? Labour and the unions, purely for their own politcal ends.
    More labour lies from Miliband.

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    AC1 says:

    I’m not and never have been a Cameron supporter (except as a means of removing Gordo).

  188. 188
    Anonymous says:

    Yeah, scrap the Labour arselicking BBC as well while we’re at it. It’s in the national interest.

  189. 189
    AC1 says:

    You’re really frothing now.

    Are you paid to discredit the left with you mentalism?

  190. 190
    I don't need no doctor says:

    Rubbish. The NHS is vastly over staffed.

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    AC1 says:

    Nigel S,
    I actually quite like the French Model.

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    SeeYouNextTuesday says:

    Lansley can be trusted as much asd any politician – elected or otherwise. Over to you

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    SeeYouNextTuesday says:

    . . . see above

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    Loungelizard says:

    There are unhealthy parallels between the NHS and the old Soviet Union. Cut out the bad, improve the good.

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    SeeYouNextTuesday says:

    there’s an intellectual response to a reasoned viewpoint

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    Anonymous says:


    There are number of private hospitals you can go to, its up to you. You are not forced to use NHS. Just check this web site http://www.drfosterhealth.co.uk/hospital-guide/full-hospital-list/.

    Before you start I pay tax; I also pay tax and I don’t want my money given to banks, foreign aid, to basket case countries like Ireland, bombing Libya (or any other country), EU, helping tax avoiders, to irresponsible single parents, paying huge salary to MPs, etc.

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    Sarah Palin 1 says:

    Same old brainless projecting from a angry neocon simpleton.

    Why don’t you live in the US since all you ever do here is parrot reheated tea party idiocy ?

  198. 198
    Anonymous says:

    You must be one sick fuck..

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    ACDC1 says:

    Stop it you naughty troll. you are just rant seeking.

  200. 200
    David Cameron says:

    “The NHS is our most precious natural asset.”

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    David "We are the Party of the NHS" Cameron says:

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    ROFL! says:

    That’s a no then.

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    sockpuppet #4 says:

    See phil hammond /private eye link.
    If they want to reform the NHS in the way they say they do, that actually COSTS money.

    The conservative party should ditch the tree logo. It reminds us that everything will be a balls up just like the forrestry commision stuff.

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    Cream Puff says:

    Hmmm Interesting
    Interesting that the RCN membership were never involved in this

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    Cameron Moving Further to the Left says:

    What a wanker. Sack the fucker.

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    SeeYouNextTuesday says:

    . . . . bit late to be defending miners isn’t it? Miners tried to hold the Country to ransom and went the same way as the Dockers who tried the same thing a decade or more beforehand. . . . . maybe miners retrained as nurses?

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    Moussa Koussa says:

    Oh Dear….. You really are the most awful apologist Guido. 98.76 % against… 1.24% for…and you qoute one of the 1.24%….APOLOGIST TW*AT !!!!!!.

    I suppose all nurses are left wing scum now.

    PS hows Moussa Koussa’s stay at the 5 star Doha hotel this morning.

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    Cynical-old-bag says:

    Ah, but it’s now split into Clinical Care and Social Care – two entirely different things. One is paid for and the other isn’t.

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    Go live in the US if you want their healthcare says:

    You do realise your constant mindless repetition is a clear sign of your failing grip on reality ?

    Your psychotic anti-social mental illness is beyond the help of any medical science, hence your amusingly futile fury at doctors and nurses.

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    SeeYouNextTuesday says:

    . . . . well reasoned argument . . . . . well thought out too!

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    The revolting caring profession says:

    Why do nurses go to University? I thought that is what Doctors did.

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    lolol says:

    He’s in a full spittle flying rant against doctors and nurses now.

    They are far more highly trained than some angry IT nerd with a tea party fixation.

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    statechaos says:

    If 600 nurses have just passed a motion it will require a very large bedpan to sort it out

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    Cameron Moving Further to the Left says:

    It’s the only argument these cuпts understand.

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    Angry Neocon Mong says:

    Projecting again AC1.

    Are you even aware of all your sad hate filled bile spewed out at nurses and doctors because you are incapable of doing anything other than parrot the US tea party’s deranged ramblings ?

    You are a pitiful creature.

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    adrian says:

    So they can get pissed and get fucked from behind?


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    Theresa May says:


    Do you think that your picture of a sexy nurse might be a bit, well, err, sexist?

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    socialism is a mental illness says:

    Trouble is, like nearly all unions, the nurses one is hopelessly left wing as well, they are in denial, pointless. Bring back Matron, sort the wards out, oh no, too right wing. Pay the cleaners a good wage and manage them properly, sack a load of managers to fund it. It’s tory bashing, no less, where were the poxy students when LABOUR introduced tuition fees eh? Yeah, where? Tossers.

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    The Sheikh Of Arabeeee says:

    Fuck off.

    The fucking public sector will destroy this country if allowed to proceed unchecked; they will do (and have already done in some areas) far worse damage than that caused by tinpot Commie c u n t s like Scargill and McGahey ever managed. Three fucking generations will be in debt thanks to the pursuit of this fucking Social Democratic fucking nightmare, typified by those bone-idle uncaring shithouses who pretend to work at the N fucking H fucking S.

    Sniff my shit-stained gusset, cu n t. Then fuck off, and when you get there keep fucking going.

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    sockpuppet #4 says:

    Is that the real AC1 saying the French model is good?

    They pay for health in about 5 or 6 different ways. All of them a fine mixture of statism, red tape and inefficiency.

    I presume you like the part where one pays for “insurance”. News: its nothing like what you’d expect free market “insurance” to be.

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    Jeez, what a sad person says:

    Get and get a life!.

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    Jeez, what a sad person says:


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    ichabod says:

    Plus they all get seven weeks holiday (yes 7 weeks) a year now. And they dont even sleep around any more, not like when I was young.

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    Moussa Koussa says:

    Moussa Koussa ” Im off for my afternoon nap, can I request a wake up call at 17:00, I’d also like a glass of champagne and some strawberries delivered to my room once I arise”

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    South of the M4 says:

    Much is my admiration for the nursing profession – but my experience of a relative’s care as a stroke victim leads me, sadly, to agree with your view.

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    tomdickandharry says:

    haha wow… what happened to you to make you so angry?

    The vote of no confidence was against Andrew Lansley – who’s minister of one of the only departments not getting cut.

    So why are you discussing the national debt? If you were so concerned about the ‘N fucking H fucking S’ and its impact on sovereing wealth, then I imagine you supported Labour who wanted to cut the NHS?

    Or are you howling at the moon and not thinking rationally?

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    socialism is a mental illness says:

    You are absurd Anon, no-one forces you to eat junk, i see plenty of nurses filling their faces with crap food, i guess you don’t? I certainly do not, but i have the discipline to eat properly and i don’t earn much.

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    Scargill RN says:

    isn’t that why change is necessary – too many people are not confident of the response of the NHS if they are sick

  229. 229
    Anonymous says:

    The way you write you will not last in private sector either, you sound like mentally disable person who is cared in the community.

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    bergen says:

    Did you hear the Today interview with Blanchflower this morning?A bash the government love-in with the BBC.

    That said,we all knew that if Cameron did nothing about them,the BBC would finish him so it’s hard to feel sorry for him.

  231. 231
    Anonymous says:

    Moussa Koussa has been a loyal British Intelligence agent for over 20 years and is now enjoying the fruits of his end of salary public service pension while he sorts out a nice pile in the Virginia Water area of Surrey.

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    I know lots of very unhappy NHS Workers says:

    The NHS directly employs 1.3 million people and many hundreds of thousands indirectly. It is Europe’s largest employer and the third largest employer in the world! The NHS staff are formed into self interest groups who run the NHS primarily for their benefit and not the patients. The screams of agony and the shrill resistance are evidence of just how powerful these self interest groups have been allowed to become.
    That the NHS needs sorting out is not in doubt. The ever increasing sums of money it requires are not sustainable now, let alone in 5 years time.
    All politicians of all parties know this. They just lack the courage and the will to tell the nation the truth and get on and sort it out.
    It will be sorted out one day, but only because it will run out of money. That day is a lot closer than most of the public realise.

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    Caroline Lucas - Green says:

    Looks like transfats and all the other processed food nasties are gonna be around for some time then!

  234. 234
    Smig says:

    Hey Gordon! Look! A shiny ribbon! Chase!

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    Theresa May says:

    That’s not very nice. No need to be nasty.

  236. 236
    BBC having it both ways says:

    Yesterday: Landsley has been working on these proposals for 7 years and is too close to the problem

    Today: Landsley hasn’t thought these proposals through

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    I'll have some of that says:

    So do I – thanks for Maidstone and Stafford by the way….

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    Caring NHS says:

    It wasn’t the management who told my poor old Dad he’d have to crap in the bed because he was wired up to a monitor and she couldn’t be bothered to bring him a bedpan.

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    Engineer says:

    Scargill and his lackeys tried to hold the country to ransom. At least during the ’84 dispute, not all miners joined him – the Nottinghamshire coalfield broke away and formed the Union of Democratic Mineworkers, if you recall.

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    Dawn Says says:

    No I wont! I think they deserve a medal.

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    Randycock says:

    Who is the Nurse in the picture? Is she 17 or under? If so I want some of that. Lol.

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    QWERTY says:

    Fuck the NHS, a total waste of space and populated by lazy fucking scum nurses.

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    Minekiller says:

    Nursing went south when the the powers that be decided that nursing would be a graduate profession, so introduced the ‘nursing degree’. I liked the way Hugh Laurie playing Dr House in that rather excellent TV series House tells the uppity nurse that if she wanted to express a medical opinion that she should have worked harder at school gone to medical school and become a doctor! The scriptwriters must have had a pissed off doctor advising them. Mind you with ‘Casualty’ as the BBCs thinly veiled anti-Tory leftie medical rant show you can see if you socialise a service you make socialists of those who are reduced to its mind numbing, grey, poverty engrained sub-standard shabbiness……and their sense of entitlement.

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    Moussa Koussa says:

    is that official tory policy…or are you all lying again.

  245. 245
    Moussa Koussa says:

    I take it that is official tory policy…I think we should be told

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    Obvious innit says:

    Pay NHI, use the NHS. Don’t pay NHI, go private with the proceeds.

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    BillyBob.....time to ban the burpa !! says:

    I am no gynecologist but I will take a look….. !!

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    Stan Butler says:

    She may know nothing about medicine but she would put a smile of my face.

  249. 249
    Stan Butler says:

    A German health manager visits an NHS hospital.
    He turns to the nursing manager.
    “These nurses I can see, did you recruit them?”
    “Yes”, replies the nursing manager.
    “On what basis did you recruit them”, he asks.
    “Why do ask”, says the nursing manager?
    “Well I was wondering”, says the German chap, “did you interview them or just fucking weigh them?”

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    Airey Belvoir says:


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    Voice of Treason says:

    Heard the RCN spokesman (Dr Carter?) speaking on TV the other day and complaining how busy and rushed off their feet were the nurses, and some didn’t even have time to take a drink of water! Then I watched the undercover hospital Dispatches and saw the groups of fat foul-mouthed bastards in the nurses’ rest room calling an elderly woman a twat etc. Angels – I don’t think so – too busy not to have a drink LOL!!!

  252. 252
    Voice of Treason says:

    Heard the nurses’ spokesman (Dr Carter?) speaking on TV the other day and complaining how busy and rushed off their feet were the nurses, and some didn’t even have time to take a drink of water! Then I watched the undercover hospital programme and saw the groups of fat foul-mouthed bastards in the nurses’ rest room calling an elderly woman a twat etc. Angels – I don’t think so – too busy not to have a drink LOL!!!

    First post moderated – WHY?

  253. 253
    Voice of Treason says:

    I give up – why am I being moderated when there is nothing in the posts that could not be published in a main stream newspaper?

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    Evil Landlord says:


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    Asquith says:

    Nothing to fear from you, then.

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    Sicko says:

    Missed that. Caught him warming to his topic on 5Live’s ‘Wake up to money’ – he was salivating at the prospect of the BoE base rate being cranked up from 0.5% to a ‘more normal’ four or five percent:

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    Bob Peyton says:


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    Captn P says:

    Your suggestion is to do what exactly? Spend more money to save money – sounds like an advert for Picture Finance, would you like PPI with your loan sir?

    I suppose you also ascribe to the notion that spending my tax money is helping the economy? Just to be clear, I’m quite capable of spending my own money.

    In my view the current leadership of Labour party should be tried for treason for running this country into the ground. I would imagine that the Conservative party would be quite happy to change thier logo in exchange.

    Yes an angry IT consultant, but one who also worked inside the NHS. From my direct experience they wasted money faster than you could flush £1,000,000 cheques down the toilet. The very notion that there is no way to reform and or save significant sums of my tax money is complete and utter nonsense.

  259. 259
    nurse de screens says:

    The RCN is left wing?!
    Time for your medication.

  260. 260
    HRH The Duke of Edinburgh says:

    When are MI5 going to arrest this Spy and Pervert? This country has gone to the dogs!

  261. 261
    Anonymous says:

    If Mr. McMurphy doesn’t want to take his medication orally, I’m sure we can arrange that he can have it some other way. But I don’t think that he would like it.

  262. 262
    Nurse Anne says:

    Jesus some of you guys are insane. First of all health care workers in the UK are some of the biggest victims of socialism that exist. Doctors and Nurses in the UK have absolutely no control.

    I recently went back to nursing in the USA after over a decade in the UK. The work is easier, the pay is better, and the patients get better treatment. For a start, the wards in the USA are actually staffed with Nurses, not untrained teenage care assistants. We have triple the humberof housekeepers. I have only 5 patients in the USA and I do everything for them from the arse wiping and feeding to the stuff that requires the science background I got with my degree-the assessments and understanding doctors orders etc etc. That stuff gets pretty complicated and requires a high level understanding of pathophysiology and pharmacology. Nurse’s who don’t understand that stuff make mistakes and get struck off for killing people. I have seen it happen to many.

    In the UK I was one nurse to 20 patients, I could barely do the drugs, had tons of paperwork thrown at and demanded of me by every single profession except the Nursing profession. And there were serious consequences to patients and myself if it wasn’t completed. That left most of the actual care to assistants who are clueless. Patients were never assessed properly since the real Nurses were so thin on the ground that they were never able to participate in basic care. There were a lot of unecessary deaths and failure to rescue.

    You know what fucked me off the most about the NHS? The food situation. Kitchen would bring up the food and 2 of us had 15 minutes to dish it up and feed 30 patients. 15 minutes. And then the domestics would collect the plates and food back in…often before we got to the patient to help feed. There were medical emergencies and phone calls from relatives to deal with in this time frame as well. It was physically impossible. In a socialist system the Nurse has no control.

    The Nurses really pushed for the 15 minute window to be extended but kitchen and management told us to fuck off. No one in the NHS hospital I worked in would listen to reason about this.

    The Nurses have no control. Neither do the doctors. The unions are merely liability insurance, they have no control either.

    The only people who have control are the socialist lefty ‘crats, and they really don’t give a shit.

    And whatever it is that the RCN and the BMA and other health care professional unions say or do doesn’t mean a damn thing. Those organisations do not represent the majority of doctors and nurses. The unions exist for their own benefit and they have the docs and nurses by the short hairs as we require liability cover to work and they provide it.

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    Nurse Anne says:

    Voice of Reason those were care assistants, not nurses, you jackass.

  264. 264
    Nurse Anne says:

    But it is management who left the nurse in charge of 10 patients all by herself and then jump at the opportunity to report her for manslaughter if she missed an order, a change in condition, or was delayed giving one of the 250 drugs that are due at the moment because she was helping someone with a bedpan.

    And believe me, if the Nurse misses a critical lab getting reported back or any other of the numerous assessments and jobs that are getting thrown her way because she is stopping what she is doing everytime someone needs a bedpan the bureaucrats will get her ass nailed to a wall.

    Think of it this way: Say I was your dad’s nurse and I was responsible for him and 15 other patients. He starts having a reaction that will kill him in seconds if it doesn’t get caught and dealt with immediately. I miss it because 6 or 7 people were asking for bedpans at the same time and I didn’t want to leave them in waste. I find your dad dead instead of catching the reaction early enough to deal with it. What are you going to do to me? The first thing that is going to happen is the managers (not wanting to take the blame for intentionally short staffing the place) will be the first people to drop me in it to the nursing and midwifery council and the law. And believe me, it happens a lot.

    We recently lost a Nurse in such a way. She was alone to 15 patients in a hospital where management is refusing to hire new nurses. She missed a change on the monitor because she was helping someone else to the toilet and the patient on the monitor died. Fired. Reported to the NMC. Family pursuing charges against her. NHS management walks free and easy.

    If you don’t understand that a Nurse is not always going to be able to be there whenever someone needs a wee or a poo you understand nothing. Your dad was sharing his nurse with multiple other patients. Whether or not she was able to help him with a bedpan would have been soley determined by what was going on with her other patients.

    If you don’t like that then you should do what I do when my grandma is in hospital. I hire one to one care if I can’t be there to special her. The nurse responsible for my grandma has 8 other patients, hundreds of drugs to prepare and give, tons of paperwork to fill so that patients can get drugs and equipment that they need. She isn’t going to be able to take grandma to the toilet without missing something huge with her other patients. Something that could get her fired and cause her to end up in front of a judge if it gets missed. So I get grandma a carer for the times I cannot be at her bedside. Simple.

    Does it ever, ever, occur to you that the problem is the ridiculous expectations of the public?

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