March 17th, 2011

Kinnock Supports “Yes to AV”
Pockets £103,000 in Fees from Electronic Voting Lobbyists

Neil Kinnock was leader of the Labour Party during the heyday of the SDP-Liberal Alliance. During that period if he had offered the olive branch of electoral reform to the third party he could well have become prime minister. He didn’t out of principle, because in those days he wanted a left-wing Labour government. So what has converted him to the complex cause of electoral reform? Guy News investigates:

£103,000 in director’s fees so far and 30,000 shares in the company poised to make millions in profits from the introduction of electronic voting… what was it exactly that first attracted Lord Kinnock to the cause of the alternative vote system?

Kinnock is a non-executive director of DRS Limited which works closely with ERS Limited, most recently on the multi-million pound deal that unsuccessfully introduced electronic voting systems in Scotland.  The multi-million pound business which is ERS Limited funnels money into the not-for-profit ERS which has so far given over a £1 million to the “Yes to AV” campaign. Guido doesn’t think it too cynical to ask why a private profiteering corporation would throw a million quid at a political campaign unless there was something in it for their shareholders. Kinnock isn’t doing it for nothing either, so far he has only pocketed £103,000 in director’s fees from the electronic voting systems profiteers. The fact is, if we get AV, Kinnock’s shares in DRS Limited will rocket up in value…


  1. 1
    School for Scoundrels says:

    Someone left this comment on the Crick link..
    ‘Charles Kennedy and Ed Miliband is a winning formula.’
    That can’t be right…

  2. 2
    Impartial Observer says:

    I can’t be first, can I?

  3. 3
    Impartial Observer says:

    No, I thought not.

  4. 4
    Impartial Observer says:

    A winning formula for what ?

  5. 5
    Ron Combo says:

    No, you can’t.

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    red/yellow/blue = all the same says:

    “Guido doesn’t think it too cynical to ask why a private profiteering corporation would throw a million quid at a political campaign unless there was something in it for their shareholders.”

    Others may ask why Guido is so afraid of AV.

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    Voice of Reason says:

    Kinnock has become what Prescott and all the other so-called socialists have become. They are a disgrace to their original cause and hypocrites in every sense of the word. The only saving grace is that the twat Kinnock never achieved PM. They all stink to high heaven.

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    Voice of Reason says:

    Are you talking about AV or the level of postings?

  9. 9
    KINNOCKIO says:

    We’re awwiiiight !!! We’re awwwiiiggghhhttt !!!

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    Impartial Observer says:

    I don’t like the idea of AV It will take ages to count the votes after a general election. There will be too many mistakes. FPTB isn’t perfect but it’s still the best.

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    Righty Right Wing (Mrs) says:

    Hanging is too good for troughing Lord Kinnock.

    He & his extended family of leeches have done nothing to earn their millions, millions fleeced from the poor & rich taxpayer alike over many decades of outright thieving, duplicty, treason & lies.

    No reward for failure?

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    red/yellow/blue = all the same says:

    I voted for Cameron because he said he had a cast iron guarantee.

    How wrong I was.

    They are all the fucking same. Out for themselves. Do you seriously think there is a difference between them? If so you are totally deluded.

    The EU and Van Rompuy rules … for now…

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    Backstairs Billy says:

    We are sending a coach to get back our diverse nationals.

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    Impartial Observer says:

    Gringe making, kill me now tv

  15. 15
    jamesmb says:

    It should have read ‘Whining formula’. It was a typo.

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    Backstairs Billy says:

    Hello Guido! I like your style.

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    excellent rewards for failure says:

    Piggin Wiggin friggin in the riggin!

    Hang them all!

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    poplarmark says:

    It won’t take ages to count. The redistribution of votes only needs to go on until a winner emerges, with more votes than the others put together. In many seats the count will take exactly as long as it does under FPTP because the winner already has >50%. Even if the elimination and recounting goes on to the bitter end, they’re only going to have to recount about half the votes. It can be done by hand and it won’t take all that much longer than counting takes now.

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    Impartial Observer says:

    You are so right. They are all the same. Democracy in this country (and the USA) is just an illusion.

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    Perhaps the donors are a little less naive and think different.

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    Small society in the Big House says:

    It seems to fool the voters so why change a winning formula?

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    excellent rewards for failure says:

    Perhaps you wish everyone else is as warped as you.

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    Impartial Observer says:

    So, I guess you would be in favour of AV then?

  24. 24
    If you can't get British workers to do the job says:

    650 Rhosanara Choudhary’s could make a world of difference.

  25. 25
    Alcoholix Anonymouse says:

    No, its left actually. Both of them speak with a slurred lisp, but only one of them needs a serious alcoholic intake to achieve it…. result!

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    Call me Dave - happiness czar says:


    To distract you wankers I have today created a Royal Wootton Bassett!

    REJOICE YOU C U N T S or else I’ll set Ashton of the EU on you.

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    Postal Voter says:

    A switch to AV wouldn’t reduce my 500 votes for Labour, would it ??

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    Anonymous says:

    Others may ask why the poster self-described as “red/yellow/blue – all the same” is such a f*ckwit.

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    Little Boy Blue says:

    So Neil Kinnock is all for a yes vote. I’ve just been convinced to vote NO. The Welsh windbag is a hypocritical scumbag of the lowest order. I am sure his support for AV will add a few percentage points to the NO vote.

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    Postal Vote says:

    Hope Guido does not mind my reply to the question, but I suppose he can be afraid because with the huge client state of 6 million public sector workers, many miilions on benefits and students it will become relatively easy for Labour to regain and maintain power. All Labour needs after AV adoption is a deal with LibDems to persuade their respective core vote to put the candidate from the other party second and conservatives last, which will not be that hard as clients keep an eye on tehir wallets when they vote. The millions mentioned above should be put in the context of the fewer than 10 million vote Labour polled when it last won the elections.

    With AV, Labour will regain power forever and this I guess is Guido’s fear because if the winner of elections is known in advance no matter how many expenses scandals or illicit affairs, readers of this blog will lose interest.

    Less importantly, Labour-rule facilitated through AV implies bad news for the economy, gilts and sterling.

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    Kinnochio says:

    Listen, boyo. Haven’t you learned by now that us Labour folk do as we like, even if it means being hypocrites? There’s nothing wrong with The Guardian making millions using tax loopholes, or Polly having a Tuscan villa, or me making loads of lovely dosh from supporting AV. Well alright! Well alright!

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    Impartial Observer says:

    That’s very cynical – funny though.

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    Anonymous says:

    Can you really be arsed to play the game according to the rules that are stacked against a mong like you?

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    Eurocrap Judge says:

    To be welsh, ginger and Labour is surely worthy of a uman rites action from Cherry B on a No Whinge, No Fleece basis.

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    Anonymous says:

    Witness the latest Irish GE. One constituency took 5 days to come to a conclusion.

    Frankly, I’m in favour of some anti-PR action. That’s discovering which eejits voted for a clear loser, and discounting their votes. Not just the candidate they marked “first”, but every candidate they gave some electoral favour to, even unto the seventh preference. First, get rid of all of the time-wasting independents first, plus BNP, English Democrats etc. After that, the Lib Dems and Greens, for being irrelevant. Then Liebour, for being Liebour, So it’s a straight fight between Tory and UKIP.

    I could happily wait five days for a GE result if all of the time-wasting, socialist, green, fascist, and nation-destroying candidates were guaranteed to be rejected.

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    Dick Scratcher says:

    Wahooo !!! Jon gaunt on BBC News doing the newspaper review. Bloody hell! Are things changing at last???

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    rhys wyn evans says:

    His whole career was about looking after no.1. Goes even further back than 1st devolution campaign. Guido is wrong; kinnock only coopted leftwingery til he got to next level of dosh-makingness. Creepy crappy sincere full-of-integrity kinnock.

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    Bled White Taxpayer says:

    The problem with AV is that the losers – that is the electors who voted for losing candidates – get another chance.

    If you are so fucking dumb as to vote for a candidate who loses on the first ballot, why the fuck should your second preference get any further consideration?

    You may think that is harsh, so I’ll offer you this. Voters at General Elections are voting for a Government to steer them through the uncharted waters of the next five years. If you are so out of the mood of the rest of the country that your first choice loses, why should anyone give you a second chance?

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    capt apollo says:

    there’s no fool like an old lefty fool, “socialism comrades and where’s my cut?”
    Orwell was right on this farm all animals are equal but some are more equal than others.

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    Neil Kinnochio says:

    We’re all shite! We’re all shite! We’re all shite!

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    Jon Gaunt says:

    No, I’m still a fat c unt.

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    Ed But Look Balls says:

    BallBag on Newsnight allowed to blatantly lie by Esler, what a suprise. The Hunt tried to defend that the massive deficit was due to the ‘bank bailout’ that started in America and continued in Europe so the deficit was not able to be influenced by the Liebour Government. Twat Esler did not press the Hunt on the fact that the deficit only contained a fraction of the total due to the bank bailout as debt when incurred. The majority of the deficit is due to a decade of profligate public spending by the Liebour Treasury Trio of Brown, BallBag and RedEd masquerading and bamboozling the nation with Enron style creativity!!

    WTF!! How I hate that Hunt Ballbag!!

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    universal hiss says:

    After reading that I had a Marx moment.

    The party of the first part….there is no sanity clause.

    Perhaps you had to be there.

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    Yazspleen Alibi Drown says:

    I approve of the suspension of Brian True-May. He needs to be sent to re-education camp to learn about tolerance and acceptance of islamic superiority.

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    Tachybaptus says:

    Edward Balls
    Answers when nature calls.
    After he pissed on Obama,
    He shat on the Dalai Lama.

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    Thatcher says:

    I found Kinnock very easy to handle in debates. Rather a lightweight chap.

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    universal hiss says:

    Clegg is a yes man isn’t he?

    Good enough for me to vote NO.

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    universal hiss says:

    Very childish but it made me laugh.

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    Anonymous says:

    Pillock, the welsh windbag, who proved himself to be unelectable. It is not surprising that he has compromised his ideals for financial gain. It is exactly what he and his grasping wife did for years in Brussels.

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    Disgusted of Neasden says:

    - But AV (which is in fact STV with only one position available) is in fact far easier to count than the Irish multi-seat STV. You just eliminate the lowest-scoring candidate and redistribute all of their votes. No surpluses to distribute, no fractions to calculate. So at the worst it should only take 33% longer to count, and we would still know the result by next lunchtime.

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    I Squiggle says:


    Lord Kinnock (Lordy eh?) actually owns shares in “DRS Data & Research Services plc” to give its correct name, and its not 30,000 but 29,408 shares. Still, on today’s closing price that’s a pair of shoes for the wife at: £5,881.60.

    He needs to bang that drum a bit, raise the share price..

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    I Squiggle says:

    Forgot to add that on the share register he is registered in the name of ‘Mr’Kinnock (plus all forenames). When in capital, do as capital? Ah, that socialism boyo..

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    Anonymous says:

    But your sensible views still don’t take account of the fact that someone whose first preference is for the “most losing” candidate gets another go-round, whereas those whose first preference is for the candidate who gets most first preference votes does not.

    Frankly, it’s like asking idiots or primary school children to “have another go, maybe you’ll get a prize next time”, when the brutal law of natural selection imply that the electing c*nts should be despatched like slaughterhouse chickens.

    Why can’t elections not only choose a government, but also be used to get rid of f*ckwits? Or at the very least, deprive them of a vote thereafter? Clearly, they haven’t the wit to use it properly.

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    592 shares is a rounding error. That is the issue price you quote, not the actual (higher) price. So that is a rounding error each. We’re square.

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    I Squiggle says:

    Issue price? The issue price is 5p – this is the current *share* price:

    Anyway, I trump your price and call you on the name of the company.. Blimey, that’s getting way too pedantic.

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    FFS says:

    Guido, for the love of donuts, would you pull the plugs on the IP address of the nutbag who posts the same inane drivel on a daily and nightly basis, clogging up the threads by calling everyone tat and repeating the same shit monomaniacally.

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    He switches IPs. You think we wouldn’t if we could?

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    Whatever – he owns shares in the company and trousered one hundred grand.

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    Anonymous says:

    Politician sits on board and has shares in a company that will benefit from their political decisions?

    I sincerely hope none of the tories have ever done such a shameful thing…

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    I Squiggle says:

    Guido – I’m on your side FFS! Just want to give you the correct info. (I have lots more you might be interested in) Are the comments below directed at me? Am I getting paranoid? Who said yes? Was that you in the corner, in the attic? Yes, in the attic mumble mumble..

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    Dick the Prick says:

    In a Mik election some ginger git won with 9% of the first votes – bit more than Kinnock then, eh? Oh why can’t he just die and take his wretched clan with him.

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    That's News says:

    Reason enough for voting for no change, I think.

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    Shit Bucket says:

    Bollocks they’re all as bent as a 5 bob note.

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    Nellie Plonk It says:

    O/t It never ceases to amaze me that the country and the rest of the world are subjected to the drivel that spouts from one Foreign Secretary whose judgement has been far from sound on numerous previous occasions.

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    Tachybaptus says:

    ‘Maunderings’, sorry. I am a bloody awful typist. I do notice that the obsessional word ‘fар’ seems to be modded, which is a relief, thank you Guido.

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    Toby says:

    Ah! That’s why he was always smiling?

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    Jonah Brown and the Temple of McDoom says:

    It’ll make my year if Gordon Brown makes a speech in the chamber on Budget day. For once, I would support his bullying and Nokia throwing if it means he gets his way over those who want to stop him speaking so as not to embarrass the Labour frontbench. I just hope Tory MPs heckle him to the point of making him blow his top. That would make for priceless entertainment.

  68. 68
    Night Watchman says:

    That’s a 9 bob note you lazy fucking oaf, now get to bed you have to be up early to sign on.

  69. 69
    Anonymous says:

    No, David Cameron sits on the board of the company that’s proposing to introduce a 5 bob note later this year

  70. 70
    I only arsked says:

    Who amongst the public wants AV anyway?

    Who actually knows what it is or could be bothered?

    We have a political class so far removed from ordinary people that they may as well not exist. Except, of course they do and they get in our face all the time. Why? Because they can and we, the public, let them get away with murder. And if not murder, they steal all of our money.

  71. 71

    If ever we needed reasons to support FPTP surely “it helped keep Kinnock out of Downing Street” must be up there near the top of the list.

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    Amazing – a shame we can’t vote out profiteering members of the Lords

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    Archie says:

    Kinnock=fucking Welsh windbag look you boyo, see, isn’t it?

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    Billy Bowden is the greatest umpire ever ! says:

    A man who has never had a proper job , Now a millionaire at the taxpayers expense, Up the workers!!!!!!

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    Anonymous says:

    If AV is so good for Labour, why are half of Labour MPs against AV?

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    I Remember You Hoo says:

    Don’t forget the junior Kinnockio’s are also plugged into the EU gold plated money box, care of their parents.

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    dadsfortwoaircraftcarriers says:

    Good work Guido. This is f”£$£”” OUTRAGEOUS. Can’t we sent him on a fact finding mission to north-east Japan?

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    You have only yourself to blame says:

    Crap. Dave broke that guarantee 12 months before the election. Everyone was fully aware that Dave was a europhile.

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    The Dirty Rat says:

    And Billy, add to that his wife and spawn who are all hanging onto the public teat.

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    Billy Bowden is the greatest umpire ever ! says:

    Bloody Socailists, Hang the fuckers!

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    Lord Kink says:

    This would also be same the Lord Kinnock and ex Euro commissar who was against the Lords and Europe?

    Ps my spell checker wanted me to replace Kinnock with kink.

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    van rompuy says:

    Thank you Dave for todays £45 million, I shall distribute it among the poor, the French farmers.

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    It was not me it was the other three says:

    In America you have to be a millionaire to get into politics in Britain you get into politics to become a millionaire and the Kinocks have certainly done that

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    marcus Aurelius says:

    Kinnochio a trougher? Surely not!

    He and Glynnis are well known altruists from the valleys with a famously modest lifestyle and humble unassuming outlook.

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    Billy Bowden is the greatest umpire ever ! says:

    My girlfriend finally persuaded me to ‘meet the parents’ the other day, Which I wasn’t looking forward to as they are deaf and dumb.

    I walked into the living room and her mum had a bottle of bud up her pussy and her dad had his bollocks hanging out and a match in each of his eyes!

    I said to my girlfriend ” I can’t sit and watch this fucking circus!”, To which she replied ” It’s alright they are communicating with each other, My mum’s saying get the beers in ya hoon!, and my Dad told her to bollocks he’s watching the match!”

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    Bill E Ous says:

    One’s a pissartist with illusions that he may one day be a great leader. The other is Charles Kennedy …

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    Chris says:

    It is like I have always said ‘money talks’

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    BuyGolDBuyGold says:

    Others may ask how big Guidos shareholding is.

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    Doris says:

    So called left wing politicians like Kinnock and Prescott just go to prove that socialism is the politics of envy; look at them both now – millionaires!

    A pity these duplicitous and greedy men don’t practice what they preach. Nasty people with no backbone or moral compass.

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    Nicolas Shortarzy says:

    £45 million ?

    Oh shit, they’ll be out in their bloody enormous sodding tractors again on the streets of paris. That hardly keeps them sorted for lindane for a week.

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    Anonymus says:

    One might note that sometimes Guido is remarkably reasonable about some aspects of new labour. If its financially sensible and relatively careful with its spending, then its a hell of a lot better than Brown-Balls Labour.

    And frankly, indistinguishable from the likely future of the conservative party.

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    Anonymus says:

    He required no assistance

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    Up sh1t creek says:

    Yes to AV / No to AV, it distracts the people from the dire state of the UK economy that Labour got the UK into. Ed Balls blames everyone else for the UK’s problems.

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    Mr Bridger says:

    I shall declare a genocidal war against Lie-bor, and all its parasitic supporters as soon get out of my anger management group meeting

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    Barry says:

    One Person
    One Vote
    Counted ONCE

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    misterned says:

    A number of reasons. The current electoral boundaries favour labour massively and there are a lot of small safe(ish) labour seats under FPTP, whereas AV could threaten them. Also because it was AV that landed them with Ed Miliband instead of their preferred candidate, David Miliband. Also because labour MPs are generally completely clueless dolts so when left to their own free-will, they scatter all over the place. They have a personal psychology which needs a strong authority figure telling them constantly what to do and think. This is why labour governments are so authoritarian and controlling. They project their own insecurities on the entire country.

    This is why labour instinctively hates freedom and democracy.

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    KINNOCKIO says:

    I am a socialist for self-serving purposes only.

    For self-enriching purposes, I am a capitalist.

    More Pol Roger, Polly ???

    We’re awwwiiiggghht !!! We’re aawwwiiiiggghhhhht !!!

    I’ve got my party back !!!!!!

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    David Cameron says:

    On behalf of the conservative led coalition I would like to wish the England cricket team the very best of luck against the West Indies.

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    misterned says:

    True enough. In fact Dave is such a Europhile that he would rather see labour win an election, than give the people of this country, and a massive majority of his own party, the one referendum that they really want. A binding referendum on membership of the EU.

    Sign the pledge to only vote for a candidate at the next election that WILL vote for a binding referendum on EU membership.

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    On The Beach says:

    Radiation plume to hit Southern California late Friday.

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    Postlethwaite says:

    Rumpy is in charge.

    And failed politician Kinock – plus the failed politician’s never elected wife are aiding and abetting him.

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    Shane Warne says:

    Where is Monty Panasar when England need him ?

  104. 104
    Steve Miliband says:

    It’s Comic ‘revive my flagging career’ Relief tomorrow.
    I can’t wait to fill in the census form

  105. 105
    Backwoodsman says:

    or, more practically, its a pity the ‘impartiality is in our dna’, bbc, choose to ignore it !

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    Billy Bowden is the greatest umpire ever ! says:

    Pre-season training :-)

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    Backwoodsman says:

    How many does he have, FFS ? Ok, one at home, one in the office & one at his boyfriends – what sort of person has access to more than that ?

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    Gayboy loves war criminal psychotic bender Tony Blair says:

    £103k? Fucking chickenfeed! The ‘WMD in Iraq’ shite brings me in £20m a year pension and as many rentboys as I can handle.

    Obama reckons he’ll be on $100m a year from Wall Street just for keeping Mad Dog in power.

    Tell the boyo baldie fellow to get on the gravytrain with the big boys.

    Love your work, Gayboy,

    yours forever,

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    Billy Bowden is the greatest umpire ever ! says:

    It wuld be nice if just once politcions would do something based on merit and not vested intrest!!!!!

    Sorry guido about the Cricket talk.

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    Oldrightie says:

    “has only pocketed £103,000 in director’s fees “. The cost of a weekend away for this socialist hypocrite.

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    Anonymus says:

    Its all a ploy from the warmists. Who wish us to believe that nuclear power is bad, so they can get slightly better than average returns on their inv*stments in windmills.

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    tube_thumper says:

    i hate st patricks day. like they give a fuck about us.
    do you know we are lighting up trafalger sq and big ben in fucking green
    the k unts tried to light it up with bombs 12 years ago
    yet st georges and trafalger day pass without so much as a skyrocket
    so i suppose we will have people wandering around in those fucking silly hats painted green drinking MUD

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    tube_thumper says:

    or ireland?

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    Ex-Labour leader traveling 1st class on the EU gravy train says:

    Please vote for AV and help make me even richer.

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    I was not me it was the other three says:

    In America you have to be a millionaire to get into politics whilst in Britain you get in to politics to become a millionaire and the Kinocks have certainly done that

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    They think it's all over....It is now !! says:

    Meanwhile………..another day and another shift in US policy on Leeb-ya. Obummer must really stop tossing a dime coin to decide his foreign policys…Heads we help the Opposition…Tails ..we don’t. Like “Dave” he’s proven to be a great dis-appointment. “Barracuda” would’ve bombed the shit outta the “Colonel” by now

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    Give the BBC a bloody Red Nose says:

    Boycott Red Nose day.

    If you want to give to charity, you don’t need the BBC to intercede for you.

    Red Nose day is and always was one great big self-promotion exercise for the BBC, and its assorted army of cronies and celebs.

    Screw them.

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    tube_thumper says:

    the only good libyun is a dead un

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    Brassnose says:

    It’s cos the Lib Dems can pick which party to go into coalition with – all about barter and dirty little deals

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    Karen Fuck says:

    Lets face it, the tories want Kinnock out of London

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    Conditioned Self-loathing says:

    Yes, it is pathetic how England celebrates every ethnicity but its own. No doubt Trevor Philips – king of the Qangos – and his race Gestapo will be ever vigilant for any out breaks of Englishness this St. George’s day.

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    Windbag the Miner says:

    Hey hey. I’m going back to my home to prepare for another payout.

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    Quick, we need another war to distract the plebs says:

    Our vermin political class are determined, one way or another, to involve Britain in yet another war.

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    So the Japanese authorities think 20km is a safe distance. And if all those Geiger counters they are using to check people arriving in refugee camps are actually switched on, then they are correct.
    But in the USA west coast -6,000km away its a boom time for people selling worming pills in glass jars labeled, ‘iodine tablets’

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    Billy Bowden is the greatest umpire ever ! says:

    You only need two skills to be a Politicon, The abilty to lie and the abilty to steal.

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    the last quango in paris says:

    you didnt include this classic:

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    Channel Foggy says:

    You make a very good second choice, though.

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    Haricot says:

    I guess Japanese kelp has been taken off the list of sources of Iodine.

    Baked beans are a good source of Iodine and other trace elements. Much better for you than the radioactive versions being made in Japan.

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    Out of the frying pan into the fire. says:

    Most of the Libyans that went to Iraq to fight the Americans came from eastern Libya ( Benghazi or Darnah). The deposing of Gaddafi could be very bad News for the west.

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    Adolf Balls says:


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    Iloathlefties says:

    He talked yesterday on PM Questions about democracy, that “we” all take for granted when discussing the uprisings in the middle east. What democracy?? We all want a referendum on the EU and everyone knows it. It’s the third biggest issue after the deficit and immigration. Bring it on Cameroon or face electoral defeat until you do!! UKIP for me.
    8 billion net contributions to our main competitors, 1 million plus jobs to our EU friends whilst 20% of our youth is unemployed, 262 billion net trade deficit with the EU in the last 10 years, 8 billion costs annually to enact/enforce EU regulations. So whats in it for us??
    Nothing!!! Referendum now.

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    Anonymous says:

    It amazes me that some on here think that an IP address can be used to identify an individual poster.

    He could use a proxy and has a different IP address every 5 minutes if he wanted to.

  134. 134
    They think it's all over....It is now !! says:

    Would it have come to that though ? If the “West” had shown a combined and united “resove” when Gadaffi was on the verge..he may have just gone or if not him personally sufficient of his close supporters might have deserted him on the maxim of “rats deserting the sinking ship” its far too late even if the UN votes for a “no-fly zone” and ultimately the cost to the West in blood and treasure will be much higher

  135. 135
    Greychatter says:

    What do you expect from a Champage Socialist family like the Kinnocks – No morals. Look what Tony Blair is coining in.

    People complain about Tory politicians wealth buy the majority of them made their own money or their families did in the past. Not by ripping off the taxpayer in Britain or through the EU.

  136. 136
    Anonymous says:

    errr, except AV doesn’t need to be counted electronically… it’s FAR easier to count, for example, than local council elections where you vote for three candidates (which is done by hand, not machine).

  137. 137
    Joss Taskin says:

    In the religion of piss, muslim brothers don’t kill fellow muslims. That’s what they keep preaching to infidels, innit ??

  138. 138
    genghiz the kahn says:

    It looks as if those of us who thought that Neil Kinnock was a third rate politician need to reconsider him as a first rate trougher and plunderer of other peoples’ money.

    The best story about Kinnock, IMO was a berobed Lord Hailsham noticed Kinnock in the lobby showing some tourists the Palace of Westminster. Hailsham shouted out Neil! And the tourists kneeled en mass.

  139. 139
    Doc Trough says:

    I hope he gets the Llapp and passes it round.

  140. 140
    Kinnochio says:

    Imagine if I’d become prime minister, boyo!

  141. 141
    Kered Ybretsae says:

    ANOTHER LUXURY LEFTIE -exposed, another head in the trough, can’t get enough into their tight-fisted Bank Accounts.
    Carry on Mister Fawkes.

  142. 142
    Sir William Waad says:

    This is still not an argument against AV. The fact that a bad person is in favour of it does not indicate that it is bad.

  143. 143
    Loftus Road says:

    That video has made my mind up – if it stops that greedy Welsh turd getting richer then i’m a no vote. Thanks Guido.

  144. 144
    Sir William Waad says:

    It’s just an excuse for getting drunk and, frankly, who needs an excuse for that?

  145. 145
    Ed Miliband says:


  146. 146
    YorkshireLad says:

    With AV, surely it is possible just to vote for one trough digger and have no additional options.
    Or am I being dim as usual?

  147. 147
    Sir William Waad says:

    So your objection to AV is that it might not give the result you want?

  148. 148
    sockpuppet #4 says:

    Its OK dear. I’m not a fundamentalist englishman. A moderate. And indeed I’m not a sunni. More of rainy-and-windy Englishman.

  149. 149
    Sir William Waad says:

    Would that be Mr Ed, The Talking Balls?

  150. 150
    The Sun Headline Writer says:

    ‘ Will the last person in Britain turn out the lights’.

  151. 151
    EagleEye says:

    Nice one.

  152. 152
    sockpuppet #4 says:

    I can’t wait for Saint Cyrils day.

  153. 153
    The new Midsomer Murders says:

    Infidels! I am Detective Inspector Hassan Razak bin Waleed al-Abdulla Hussein bin Tarak. I will investigate the killings of holy muslim man in the village. Death to all kuffars!

  154. 154
    Mornington Crescent says:

    Preferably right inside the reactor. That’ll make him glow even redder than he already is.

  155. 155
    genghiz the kahn says:

    Neil Kinnock understood the nature of Guizot’s remark Enrichez Vous!, only too well.

  156. 156
    Myth-buster says:

    Except for the small fact that electronic voting machines aren’t going to be introduced in the event of a Yes vote of course.

    But why have reasoned debate and let facts get in the way of a good scaremongering story eh?

  157. 157
    Observer says:

    Kinnock in favour of AV. Is that AV as in the AVarice of the EU Commissioner class? Something to declare, Neil?

  158. 158

    With AV or PR he could well have gotten in, especially if he’d cut a deal wth the SDP.

  159. 159
    Meerkat Harborough says:

    EV is electronic voting
    AV is Alternative voting

    Is there a deliberate mistake here?

  160. 160
    sockpuppet #4 says:

    I heard it said that “Iodine tablets” are only useful for children etc. Adult thyroids don’t take up much iodine anyway, so they don’t concentrate the radioactive iodine much.

  161. 161
    Chico Marx says:

    Why a Duck?

  162. 162
    "Dr" "Rev" Richard Kyle says:

    “omeone whose first preference is for the “most losing” candidate gets another go-round, whereas those whose first preference is for the candidate who gets most first preference votes does not.”

    That was Ian Paisley’s obejection as well.

  163. 163
    Anonymous says:

    My, my a Labour politician with their snout buried firmly in the trough now there’s s surprise! I suppose it’s the only way he can afford to be a socialist!

  164. 164
    Ben Elton says:

    Exactly. He is a workiong class boyo made good the first in his family to go to university just like I would have been if I bothered to look up my family origins but I am too busy writing hilarious stuff that the working class love because I can so accurately portray working class life being working class myself

  165. 165
    Moley says:

    Vote Yes to AV and make Kinnock richer?

    That should do the trick.

  166. 166
    'Don't Panic Mr Mainwaring says:

    Gas masks, emergency kits and space blankets: Hysteria in U.S. as thousands of Americans panic-buy radiation protection and drugs

  167. 167
    RED ED - SON OF BROWN says:

    Thowwy, Mr Ballth. Thticky thinnamon Danishth ath well ??

  168. 168
    Ben Elton says:

    Junior Kinnock legitimately lives in a working class area of Switzerland. To say otherwise proves that you are an agent of Mrs THATCH!

  169. 169
    Conspiracyexpert says:

    We’re now part of the EUSSR.

    Willie Vague is now a eurofanatic.

    They keep Daniel Hannan on just to keep the uprisers quiet.

    The shit hit the fan years ago. We’re now all facing the fall-out. Not a pretty sight.

  170. 170
    genghiz the kahn says:

    Is the Kinook Mark 3 a helicopter which bats the wind, doesn’t do any useful work, costs a shed load of money, has to be kept in special climate controlled environment and can’t get off the ground to do its job?

  171. 171
    Slim Jim says:


  172. 172
    sockpuppet #4 says:

    Gordon brown might have won the last election, if that soldier had an easier name to spell, and he took that microphone off.

  173. 173
    Billy Bowden is the greatest umpire ever ! says:

    Is the Welsh Windbag even human?

  174. 174
    Billy Bowden is the greatest umpire ever ! says:

    Ok 3 then :-)

  175. 175
    Dreg Gyke says:

    Who was the guy telling us to give for “charidee” and he was taking £25k for the days “work”?

  176. 176
    Conspiracyexpert says:

    They’re all true Socialists. One law for them – one law for us.

    Just look at Lord and Lady Blair touring the World (except for the UK ! ) picking up loads of dosh enroute.

    Never mind the politics – just follow the money.

    What’s happened to that Peter Mandelson chap? Whose yacht is he on now ?

  177. 177
    the last quango in paris says:

    Ed Miliband says…

    “The problem is Neil bloody Kinnock is the last thing we need to win this referendum.”

  178. 178
    Conspiracyexpert says:

    Doesn’t old Kinnockio get £62,000 a year pension from the EU ? Does he pay tax at the EU rate of 8% ? Does he get an MPs pension, the old-age pension? Plus the £300 a day from clocking-in at the Lords. Crikey, I’m in the wrong job, doing the drains.

    We should be told.

  179. 179
    Anonymous says:

    That you, Billy? You can change your monicker but the spelling finds you out!

  180. 180
    Anonymous says:

    Typical greedy welsh Hunt. Sells us out to the EU and grabs all the cash he can from the public purse. Oink oink oink.

  181. 181
    Tom says:

    Bad people like FPTP because it leads to huge Labour landslides with less votes than the Tories would need to do the same. Bad people cancel each other out so look at the merits of the voting systems not the people behind them.

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  183. 183
    sockpuppet #4 says:

    And they don’t even read the daily mail!

    look at the comments section. Americans saying “we aren’t”

  184. 184
    big Guidos shareholding says:

    I’m fine thanks. How are you?

  185. 185
    sockpuppet #4 says:

    Backwoodsman: almost no-one has an ip address at home.

    Quite often an ISP gives a different one every day.
    If you use free wifi, you’ll get a different one for each wifi.

  186. 186
    sockpuppet #4 says:

    “an ip address” meant to mean “your own, permanent ip address”

  187. 187
    the last quango in paris says:

    i would love to see his expenses as european whatever as well as his wifes – can we find out how much we are paying them?

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  189. 189
    Billy Bowden is the greatest umpire ever ! says:

    Nah , I am voting not sure :-)

  190. 190
    Sandra in accounts says:

    We get a referendum on this twoddle yet no referendum on the EU?

    What is rusty Dave waiting for – is he dragging it out & in the meantime stuffing the country with EU friendly immigrants & giving them voting rights?

    Nothing would surprise me now about that Heathite traitor & his Blue Labour Party.

  191. 191
    The welsh windbag says:

    Lord Kinnock owns shares in vote counting firm that ‘could make millions from AV’

    My public support for AV dates from the early 1990s. Clearly it has nothing to do with my involvement in DRS, or vice versa. AV does not require machine voting or counting, as 90 years of experience in Australia has shown.

  192. 192
    Guido is a stupid smear says:

    ‘Any allegation which wrongly seeks to link my DRS role with my support for AV is without foundation in truth and malicious. It is a stupid smear.’

  193. 193
    Gay Tiger says:

    rah rah rah

  194. 194
    Polly's Villa in Tuscany says:

    Kinnock is a Looter. Period.

  195. 195
    Gordon Brown says:

    I’ve received an invitation to speak at something called the Miyagi prefecture in Japan. Finally, I make it to the world stage.

  196. 196
    Ctesibius says:

    However, by doing so you are declining to use your ‘other’ vote. In the London mayoral elections when Livingstone was the mayor, people who wanted him out (the majority) were encouraged to use their second preference vote on a ‘no hoper’ candidate like the Monster Raving Looneys. This is because the ballot papers were not necessarily secure between between being cast and being counted. Certain individuals charged with looking after them, who were sympathetic to Livingstone, were in the habit of completing the blank second preference boxes with the name of their hero, Ken Livingstone.

    The system is more vulnerable to fraud than FTPT.

    The other thing which is really wrong is this: if I have two votes, I want to give my second preference to the same person I give my first preference too. Why should I be prevented from giving ANY vote of mine to the person I want to represent me?

  197. 197
    adams says:

    No to AV means Yes to FPTP . Surely only the thickest Dumbos of all time want to stick with this system which is keeping the LibLabCon disaster in place ?
    AV is marginally less shite but it is all our masters will give us .
    Kinnocks involvement is a red herring . However rich or poor the squalid man is has NOTHING to do with this issue . Vote for change and hope that proper PR follows on from AV . The status- quo is killing us and our country .

  198. 198
    Hugh ffishingly-Whittlingstool says:

    ‘English’ isn’t an ethnos. It’s been “scientifically proven”.

    It’s a matter of the miscegenation of waves of historic incoming groups cancelling any claim to ethnic purity, which makes it odd for Labour to sign up to an idea straight out of the Third Reich’s playbook.

  199. 199
    streamfisher says:

    Disingenuous, If he really believes that AV is a better voting system than FPTP, Why compromise your ‘ideals’ with a tie-up that gives him £100,000+ cash and a cheap share issue in a company that will make millions providing the automated counting equipment, filthy lucre again Boyo!

  200. 200
    The Godfather says:

    Von Rumpy’s a pimp, it’s José Manuel Durão Barroso that’s the real boss.

  201. 201
    The very thing that socialism was designed to combat says:

    The Kinnocks make the Tszarist Romanovs look positively frugal.

  202. 202
    vox populi says:

    What does AV mean?

  203. 203
    Here's a thought.... says:

    … about using him to cool down the fuel rods at Fukushima?

  204. 204
    Guido Fawkes says:


  205. 205
    I hate Blue Labour says:

    Kinnock really is a detestable scumbag isn’t he?

  206. 206
    Sir William Waad says:

    Did you hear about that porr Vietnamese man who was found to have a Kinnock in his gut, over 50 feet long?

  207. 207
    Sir William Waad says:

    Aston Villa, because Darren Bent always puts his first past the post!

  208. 208
    Sir William Waad says:

    They’ll give you a glowing encomium.

  209. 209
    William Jefferson Blyth says:

    What is democracy? is asked in this video

  210. 210
    William Jefferson Blyth says:

    So if your first choice on the menu is unavailable you go hungry? I admire your restraint.

  211. 211
    gildedtumbril says:

    These troughsnouts of all parties do not have pigsnouts as we all thought. They have elephant trunks, so as to reach deeper.
    Pillock is a prime example of elephant trunking, and his lady wife, and his kiddiewinkies. If he has a dog it probably is so blessed and his parrot would either be a toucan or pelican. Greedy bent bastards.

  212. 212
    Alex says:

    No, he was always smiling because that’s what stupid people sometimes do when they can’t think of what to say, and can’t win an election that’s an open goal.

  213. 213
    Hang The Welsh Bastard says:

    Money grabbing corrupt Welsh Useless Bastard!

    LORD my fucking arse ! He is a Lord with no morals (just like the rest of the koonts I suppose)

  214. 214
    Gravy Train Choo Choo says:

    Kinnock’s ‘career’ has basically been given to him by the Euro Socialists that run the EU on the basis that he lost to Thatcher. And his wife and son also get big paying Euro jobs thrown in. Makes me sick.

  215. 215
    My shoes need a good polish. says:

    Well alright, well alright, woh, well alright.

  216. 216
    Rufus Stone says:

    You would be first if Guido adopted AV.

  217. 217
    MoronsVoteLabour says:

    Show mw a socialist and I’ll show you a crook…

  218. 218
    Worthless Lib Dem Pledge says:

    He hated Europe as well until he and his ugly wife were offered a troughing job that pays them forever. Socialist scum. Clegg will sort it out when he cleans up politics.

    Willetts acknowledged today that it would nearly take the working life of a student to pay off his/her debt, the government writing off the last 14,000. Funny how even the Tories want a debt ridden society. Clegg will not increase tuition. Tossers.

  219. 219
    DR says:

    Are you having a night at the opera?

  220. 220
    Abigail says:

    Dear Mr Kinnock

    Why dont you just fuck off and die you horrible parasite.

    Yours sincerly

    Aged 6

  221. 221
    john in cheshire says:

    Will no body rid us of these turbulent shits?

  222. 222
    lexander says:

    SPOT ON !

  223. 223
    lexander says:

    The Kinnocks are a perfect example why we do not need any more socialists.

  224. 224
    My shoes need a good polish. says:

    Abigail also thinks Mr.Kinnock is a ginger tosser.

  225. 225
    Reg Vernon says:

    Experience of electronic voting systems in the USA, especially Diebold machines, showed that they were easily hacked. Several key election results in past Presidential elections were clearly gerrymandered. We don’t want that to happen in the UK.

  226. 226
    Anonymous says:

    Guido, for fuck sake have another try with the gunpowder !!!!!!

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