March 9th, 2011

Maguire’s Dire Conspiracy

The Libyan crisis has had more than its fair share of nonsense around it. First Hague declared Gaddafi was en route to Venezuela and today Kevin Maguire isn’t letting reality get in the way of a good story:

“The theory in Libyan exile circles is the squad was carrying explosives because it was on a sabotage mission. And it gets worse. The anti-Gaddafi Libyans assert the unit intended to destroy rebel positions and blame atrocities on Gaddafi’s forces, to stir up the civil war and win international sympathy, as well as targeting the Colonel’s military machine.”

And the source of  this accusation of state sanctioned murder and war crimes? Well some bloke who is Libyan and “mixes with other Libyans in London”Guido isn’t coming out to bat for Hague, but pull the other one Kev…


141 Comments

  1. 1
    Billy Bowden is the greatest umpire ever ! says:

    Well toilets does write shit! and he wont be hnest about the labour people involved.

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    • 3
      Tax Payer says:

      What possible advantage would the UK gain from that little escapade, Kevin?

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      • 21
        Anonymous says:

        And how come they ‘surrendered’ when first challenged, which you would expect if they were on a diplomatic mission, but not if on a sabotage mission.

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        • 97
          misterned says:

          This is the same sort of shite that McGuire dismissed as bullshit when people claimed that the soldiers captured in Iraq, (and later freed by the SAS), were posing as locals to create “fake” terrorists attacks against the locals. He claimed that this would never happen. Now he is claiming that the SAS were involved in “false flag” attacks of their own?

          McGuire has got his tinfoil hat on today!

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        • 138
          dutchy in scotland says:

          Kevin Maguire is the classical example why ‘Geordies’ should never be given any worthwhile job (if you can call writing for the Mirror a job). They are usually as thick as two short planks and always jump in with both feet and talk/write shit !!!

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    • 16
      Maddamar Qaddaffi says:

      I keeel them all !

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    • 109
      Polly's Villa in Tuscany says:

      Toilets is licking the bowl on this one

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    • 125
      Crikey says:

      It’s daft Kevin, just ignore him. What other paper would employ him?

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  2. 2
    Jack says:

    Toilets is to journalism

    What Brown is to finance

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    • 24
      Cynical-old-bag says:

      And what Cyril Smith was to Hang-gliding.

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    • 30
      PD77 says:

      My old Humanities teacher had a good one for that when writing essays, he called it Verbal Diarrhoea, the only thing is he said make sure you get the facts in then fill it out with it to make the word count.

      I guess Old Toilets could do with a lesson from him if he’s still alive?

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      • 102
        Cynical-old-bag says:

        We used to call it “padding”. Useless information when you can’t think of anything informative to write.

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  3. 4
    Billy Bowden is the greatest umpire ever ! says:

    And the source of this accusation of state sanctioned murder and war crimes? Well some bloke called William Hague and he “mixes with other gay Libyans in London”

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  4. 5
    A Droyd says:

    Come on folks! This is more in touch with reality than most of the rest of the crap he publishes.

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  5. 6
    JMI5 says:

    It’s those Tzengis broithers who are going to blow Zanu Labour apart

    This one will go far Guido

    Watch this space

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    • 8
      Bob the Builder (I've taken Squeaker's ladder away) says:

      And if Plod investigates wll those bum loans in the nationalised banks, they will find many other Labour connections and frauds

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    • 19
      Fa Kin Su Pah says:

      Brilliant. Are they Ruski or Polska
      Your code name could Deepski Throatski

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    • 87
      Aesop o'Sardis says:

      I am wondering whether Gordon Brown was asked to apply pressure to another government to shore up a failing bank in their country.

      Mind you, asking Brown to help with anything is a bit counter productive.

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  6. 7
    Righty Right Wing (Mrs) says:

    Kevin Maguire is anti British Armed Forces.

    Everyone knows that.

    Some ex-squaddie who hangs around with other squaddies in Colchester told me.

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  7. 9
    Mark Austin says:

    If you read the orginal article, macGuire makes his scepictism clear. If this is being said by Lybians, either in the country or in exile, his point that this will not to the UK any favours is well made. Often it is not what is true, but what is believed that is politically important.

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  8. 10
    Legal Beagle says:

    If it’s cheap and untrue Toilets will be there

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      How many pro toilets posts already says:

      And if it’s expected to get the liebore voters going, the trolls will be on here giving it all they got.

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  9. 11
    Anonymous says:

    If the squad were carrying large amounts of explosive this would have been commented on by the Libyans. It wasn’t. Small amounts of explosives aren’t really much use for a meaningful sabotage mission.

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    • 13
      Voice of Treason says:

      They are if placed up Gaffifi’s arsehole.

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    • 44
      Anonymous says:

      Small amounts of explosives will however destroy their comms gear and crypto if compromised. Utterly routine for the hooligans to carry stuff like that. The real angle on the story is why their British on-the-ground contact led them straight from the LZ to an reception party of locals who it turns out had not been briefed by the other rebels that they were coming, and thus got them captured within 4 minutes of arrival.

      All kinds of fallout between the MoD and FCO kicked off when that news came in.

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      • 51
        Tax Payer says:

        If somebody knew they were coming why couldn’t it all be sorted out locally at the time, without the need for an embarrasing rescue?

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      • 59
        MB. says:

        Frank Gardner of the BBC said he had been told that it was rival factions of the Anti-Gaddafi groups. They had arranged a diplomatic mission to one group but another found out and captured the team. It all sounds very plausible and certainly much more likely than some of the other wilder stories circulating and suggests more a case of bad luck than the incompetence that Labour are trying to claim.

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        • 67
          Henry Crun says:

          The Hereford Gun Club might be a lot of things, but incomeptent isn’t one of them.

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        • 111
          Bled White Taxpayer says:

          Frank Gardner’s sources are normally fairly good, and his pieces often very accurate. So what he says has some immediate credibility, at least until we hear definitively otherwise. Certainly more than Toilets.

          This was an FCO mission. They were the ones who thought it was necessary, and appropriate. It was never going to be risk-free, so a request to the MoD for some close protection was in order. Otherwise, the “diplomat” would simply have stepped ashore from HMS Cumberland. Hence the hooligans being asked. It was also up to the FCO to do all of the pre-liaison to make sure that there would be an appropriate welcome. Obviously, that last bit didn’t go well.

          Serious screw up by someone who is either a proper diplomat, or an MI6 officer pretending to be a diplomat.

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    • 126
      Para Handy says:

      Libyan Islamacist group had a spy in the rebel facilitating group and took the opportunity to piss on the UK while displaying their nationalist credentials.

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  10. 12
    Billy Bowden is the greatest umpire ever ! says:

    “Maguires dire”

    There, fixed it for ya :-)

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  11. 14
    Billy Bowden is the greatest umpire ever ! says:

    Paddy and Murphy swap sandwiches at work – paddy has a bite n spits it out ” what the fuck was on that ” he says , ” crab paste” says Murphy ” it was on offer in the chemists!!

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  12. 15
    Cynical-old-bag says:

    Toilets has really sunk to the bottom of the pan with this one.

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  13. 17
    Anonymous says:

    Another conspiracy theory from Craig Murray. He addends this post http://craigmurray.org.uk/archives/2011/03/this-hague-cock-up-must-be-explained/ with this:

    “Very interesting comment here by Ruth which I am elevating to the main body of the post. I recall well the reports of the arms dump explosion – 27 killed was the last total I saw. Assuming Ruth is right (and her source on timing is the Guardian) it appears that this team were in that area, and had been there at the relevant time.

    The Guardian quite clearly states that the SAS men had been in the country for two days. Most reports say that they landed in the dark in the early hours of Friday morning. First reports stated they were picked up on Saturday by the rebels. All the reports I have read state that they were found a few kilometres from Benina, Benghazi’s airport. Ramjah, the big arms depot supplying the rebels, is a few kilometres from Benina in the very same direction. The depot exploded at 7pm on Friday. There had been no planes in the vicinity.

    I am pretty secure in my contention that this was a raid, not a search for a meeting. It appears it may be physically possible that the mission was succesful and the target the arms dump. No more than a possibility, but a great deal more plausible than the Hague explanation.

    Now Blair’s grest rapprochement with his “Friend” Gadaffi led to all sorts of grubby deals, One distinct possibility is that weapons were sold to Libya which the government doea not want people to know about. The US did not join in Bliar’s Libya love-fest. A very large percentage of British manufactured arms include components made under license from the US, with strict controls on to whom they can be sold on. We wouldn’t want that kind of stuff turning up in any arms dumps.

    Just a hypothesis which fits the limited facts we appear to know so far. But I repeat, a great deal more plausible than Hague’s explanation.”

    There’s no coubt, it doesn’t add up.

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    • 104
      I would go along with that says:

      That makes much more sense. I remember listening to various reports on that arms dump explosion and no one could make any sense of what had caused it.

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      • 132
        Lurker says:

        I don’t know, from my time in the mid east the arabs are a pretty incompetent bunch.
        Probably someone having a fag in there, trying to nick something or else the guards on the place had a nice little camp fire going with predictable results

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  14. 20
    Sir William Waad says:

    Meanwhile, in Zawiyah, people are dying, while our clowns grin, tumble, mug and pour buckets of water down each others’ trousers.

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    • 26
      WTF says:

      It all happens at the Waad Arms eh!

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    • 32
      Grumpy Old Man says:

      Agreed. it looks very much as if Gadaffi is back in control. all that remains is the mopping up and the resultant massacres. Hope CMD is now planning for refugee relief in Egypt and Tunisia. Having given support to the rebels, it would be callous in the extreme to leave them to die as did Bush snr. to Iraq’s marsh arabs.

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      • 41
        Just a thought says:

        Odd how Gawd-affi is the only one to put down his revolt. Did the worlds foreign ministers know more than meets the eye when they suggested a no-fly zone wasn’t practicable. It’s as though they are secretly helping Gawd-affi to see this one off.

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        • 74
          Mike Hunt says:

          Not odd, he just has more cash than the others to pay mercenaries to put the revolution down.

          The soldiers in Egypt and Tunisia were mostly home-grown and thus less likely to kill their own civilians.

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    • 40
      Tax Payer says:

      Remind you of the Kurds in northern Iraq early 90’s?

      “Go on, kick Saddam up the arse, we’ll back you up. What, you need help now? Sorry, we’ve changed our mind. Can’t interfere, and all that.”

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      • 50
        We have enough problems as it is. says:

        Look here Dick Head No one told the rebels to rebel, they did it off their own backs and they knew the consequences. Why should they expect the British taxpayer to bail them out or British servicemen to die for them. It’s their rebellion not ours.

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        • 70
          Grumpy Old Man says:

          Our goverment encouraged them in the act so bear some responsibility for the fallout. besides which, all those bleeding -heart socialists on benefits can be employed running the refugee camps. It should be a character-building experience for them, 3 months without champagne.

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          • rebel rebel says:

            And what about the none rebels, what about respecting their viewpoint?

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          • The political class love making a rod for our backs says:

            Our goverment encouraged them in the act so bear some responsibility for the fallout

            Well let the wankers in the f-ing British government personally go there and play Rambo then.

            Britons, as opposed to the scum in Westminster, owe Libya absolutely nothing.

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      • 113
        Bled White Taxpayer says:

        You’re not me. Just making that clear. :)

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  15. 27
    Billy Bowden is the greatest umpire ever ! says:

    We dont need a forign sec, after all we have Cathy Ashton to represent us on the world stage.

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  16. 29
    sockpuppet #4 says:

    Its about as poor quality conspiracy theory as you get really innit?

    The anti-Gs are getting bombed with highish tech jets, shot at with big machine guns, etc.etc. And they rekon a bunch of SAS would be able to inflict some sort of inflamatory atrocities that would beat what they are currently doing?

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  17. 33
    Righty Right Wing (Mrs) says:

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-12690894

    Rusty Dave finds £2 million for oil rich Libya in aid.

    Meanwhile petrol prices in the UK have just gone over £6.00 per gallon.

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1364529/The-6-gallon-arrived-Petrol-price-hits-historic-high.html?ITO=1490

    When will those gutless toads in the Conservative Party do something about the leadership?

    I can see the Tories being wiped out at the next GE if they do not get rid of call me Dave asap – he is a liberal Heathite who puts everyone but the British first.

    Blue Labour out.

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    • 36
      Righty Right Wing (Mrs) says:

      Modded. Wlecome to BBC HYS.

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      • 42
        Righty Right Wing (Mrs) says:

        £6 a gallon under Dave

        £2 million in aid for oil rich Libya

        They just dont get what is going on in real Britain. Tories are losing it. Big style.

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        • 55
          X Ray says:

          No, your crimson face Hefferlump style bleatings are, what could be correctly termed, examples of ‘losing it’.

          You may go.

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          • Righty Right Wing (Mrs) says:

            Libtard Conservative, you know I am right.

            Your rusty Dave is toast – it is just a matter of time.

            You are dismissed, actually.

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        • 60
          Evie Lennon says:

          Stop getting in such a flap Mrs Wing!

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        • 61
          Grumpy Old Man says:

          Don’t think so. Tories are in stasis waiting for the budget statement and Labour are taking full advantage. Look for a budget that shifts the tax burden from the poorest to the middle classes and from income to expenditure. The headline taxes – council and fuel -have/will be ameliorated. Personal allowances will go up for the poorest and be clawed back from the better-off. Punitive action against bankers will be avoided – no sense in killing the golden goose when encouraging it to lay more eggs makes more sense. Expect more regulation when the Treasury has worked out how the new financial instruments actually work – not even the bankers are certain of that.

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  18. 34
    Dave is a Cunt says:

    This blanket Tobacco thing is Stupid. A professor on the Telly is saying it is to protect children. Well that may be true in the corner shop or supermarket but I have yet to see a child go into a proper tobacconists shop. They ain’t interested in meershaum pipes, Hoduran cigars or Caledonian Curly Cut Melange.

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  19. 46
    Billy Bowden is the greatest umpire ever ! says:

    Two right wing political bloggers met 25 years after their last get-together. They hugged and slapped each other’s back and tears formed in their eyes as they renewed their old friendship.
    “Let’s have a drink like we did in the old days,” said Guido Fawkes.
    “Yes,” Billy Bowden replied. “And don’t forget it’s your round.”

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  20. 49
    streamfisher says:

    Why is it that what ever goes off (boom) anywhere on the Planet it always ends up coming home to roost in this Country?, why can’t we be boring but safe like the Belgians in other words politicians and msm STFU for once unless you have got anything constructive to say, even the Icelandic volcano eruption caused more fall out here than in Reykjavik.

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    • 133
      Lurker says:

      Absolutely
      What the f**k has this got to do with us?
      We won’t get any thanks for intervening – see Iraq and Afghanistan
      And if Ghadaffi survives then he will kick out BP et al for supporting the rebels

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      • 139
        Things ain't what they used to be says:

        CNPC and CNOOC are as good as in, whatever happens.

        …there are those governments which are successful at attracting inward investment to their oil and gas sectors, but wish to reduce their dependence on certain outside parties. Countries such as Libya, Equatorial Guinea and Kazakhstan have clearly stated that they wish to diversify investment away from the western oil companies.

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  21. 52
    Anonymous says:

    Was it a taxi driver by any chance?

    Blair’s ‘adviser’ turned out to be a lying koont as well.

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  22. 57
    Hugh Janus says:

    Was Toilets’ source the same prat who told us that Iraq had WMD??

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      streamfisher says:

      Well he wouldn’t have had to go out on a limb on that one, everybody was telling us that Saddam had got WMD, so embarrassingly false that nobody dare mention it any more.

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  23. 63
    William Hague says:

    Col Ghadafi is on a plane en route to Tipperary.No E.T.A. is available,due to length of flight.

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  24. 69
    Anonymous says:

    Was Toilets involved in the stirring for Iraq and now in Libya?

    What a hideous excuse for a human being.

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  25. 71
    Billy Bowden is the greatest umpire ever ! says:

    Bollocks, Just Hang him!

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  26. 72
    Toilets MugLiar says:

    My sauces sources are impeccable !!!

    A man told me only yesterday that Jesus is living on the moon ! Yes, the bloke who told me is a minister who’s also into astronomy so it’s definitely true !

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  27. 77
    pendant... says:

    Sorry to be a Pedant but….that’s a photo of Aussie SAS….oops! Seems Guido falls for the same trap that our bang out of date dead tree press get wrong repeatedly….”I have PPE from Oxon and a sheet of paper from City…but I think an F16 is a type of Toaster….”

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  28. 79
    Libyan Freedom Fighter says:

    Sympathisers have taken over Saif Gaddafi’s house in London

    Do you think they have captured Mandelscum as well ?

    We could ransom him don’t you think ?

    Or do something to his privates

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    • 80
      Jack says:

      What do you do in your parts to the privates of poofters ?

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    • 82
      Billy Bowden is the greatest umpire ever ! says:

      Shotgun up the arse!

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      • 96
        Billy Bowden is the greatest umpire ever ! says:

        Right on comrades !

        Squatters took over a mansion in London owned by the son of embattled Libyan leader Moamer Kadhafi on Wednesday, the Metropolitan Police confirmed. Seif al-Islam Kadhafi, the strongman’s second son, owns an eight-bedroomed neo-Georgian house house in Hampstead, north London.

        Members of a campaign group called “Topple the Tyrants” said they had occupied the mansion and wanted it transferred to the people of Libya.

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  29. 88

    Mildly O/t but, laugh, not stone, heart of:

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-12692565

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  30. 92
    My Big Voice says:

    Maguire is getting very annoying doing the papers on Sky News his animation is making the slot unwatchable

    Best tell Rupert

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  31. 100
    Billy Bowden is the greatest umpire ever ! says:

    First!!!!!!!

    Past

    the

    post.

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    • 106
      streamfisher says:

      Now you can wave your bat around to the assembled crowd, take your helmet off and wipe the sweat from your brow.

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  32. 110
    RED ED - SON OF BROWN says:

    I’VE GOT THIS ON MY iPOD

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  33. 112
    david welsh says:

    Maybe. But MacGuire has still got a point. It is reported that the people in question had guns, false passports and explosives. Why would they have explosives? If they were simply a diplomatic protection group or extraction squad we might expect them to be suitably, perhaps even heavily, armed. We might even expect them to be carrying a few grenades or some Claymore mines to delay or thwart a possibly desperate pursuit. But explosives? These suggest a different mission entirely.
    Hague says he accepts full ‘responsibility’. It was all an unfortunate ‘misunderstanding’ apparently. Before the full implications of ‘taking responsibility’ for the blunder occur to him and before he leaves the Foreign Office as a consequence, he might like to clear up the ‘misunderstanding’ by telling Parliament what it was exactly that he had ordered these men to blow up.

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  34. 114
    My mates Libyan says:

    I was talking to my mate who is Libyan the other day. Apparently his cousin’s wife’s horse’s step-sister once walked past Gaddafi.

    He told me that the worst pile of shite he had ever read was the Mirror.

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  35. 115
    Anonymous says:

    Didn’t the war in Iraq start on the strength of information from ‘an Iraqi guy’ in America who ‘mixed with other ‘Iraqi guys’ who knew ‘other Iraqi guys’ who worked on WMD in Iraq and fed this info to the ‘intelligence’ services (who believed it all!)?

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    • 134
      Lurker says:

      The Arabs love a conspiracy theory
      I’m suprised they haven’t blamed it all on the Israelis/CIA *

      *insert as appropriate

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  36. 116
    Credenhill_Ops_Room says:

    Mr Maguire’s really not got his head on at all, has he?

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  37. 121

    Following in the footsteps of Piers Moron evidently. Macquire wants a “Britains Got Talent” judgeship and a chat show in the States. That seems to be the standard `reward` for smeering British Troops at the Mirror.

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  38. 128
    Anonymous says:

    What happened to the helicopter and the guns?Mr. Hague’s way of making sure the freedom fighters can use the skies.
    The British carried out some great rescues of thousands wishing to get away from the hellhole of Libya- no deaths and no injuries-totally amazing. Give credit where it is due.Well done Mr.Hague.

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  39. 130
    Muammar Gaddafi the Comeback Kid says:

    Would you please pass on to Dave I am much in favour of a No-Fly Zone, please. I would especially like him to arrange one around my Khazi as there are hundreds of the little beggars and are much nuisance when I am trying to read Maguire’s latest article before wiping my bum with it. Many thanks.

    El Qadafi

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  40. 131
    QWERTY says:

    Has Toilets MaGuire and the other Geordie mong Cheryl Tweedy ever been seen together? Me thinks they are one and the same

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  41. 135
    Anonymous says:

    Shouldn’t these freedom fighters be called insurgents?

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  42. 137
    labour make me puke says:

    Maguire has got to be the most miserable person in the world.

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  43. 141
    Hang The Bastards says:

    He is utter scum – why anybody bothers to take notice of the smirking jumpy twitching twat is beyond me.

    The Mirror de3serves the dwindling readership – when will they realise that this usless fuckwit is the cause.

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