Cowardly Clegg : AV “Nothing To Do With Me”
Nick Clegg just told the Today programme this morning that the AV referendum was “nothing to do with me”. Strange, Guido was at the Liberal Democrat Party conference where he launched the campaign for AV.
That sounded pretty cowardly and reminded Guido of one Gordon Brown, whenever trouble was around Gordon could not be found. Clegg argued for AV on the radio this morning and he is going to give one speech today, after that he is disappearing from the Yes to AV campaign. Last night his local Sheffield radio station, Hallam FM, were chairing a debate. Fellow Sheffield MP David Blunkett was tp argue the case for “No to AV” against Clegg, yet despite being invited in January, Clegg was nowhere to be seen. He is keeping out of the Yes campaign because of fears it will become a “No to Nick” referendum.
Despite the “Yes to AV” side being largely staffed by LibDem activists, funded by LibDem donors and essentially a LibDem campaign to keep them in power, Nick Clegg is keeping a low-profile. This is because the Yes side want to portray themselves as anti-politics, despite AV being the ultimate politicians fix. Under AV Clegg will be able to cut a political deal to save his skin behind closed doors with whomever gets the most votes, never mind the manifesto promises…
Wavering c unt!
He used to be indecisive, now he is not sure !!
Would AV force MPs to spend more time on constituency work-no,
would the public rather the £100 million pounds is spent on others things when they keep telling us about our dire fiscal position-yes,
do we believer word Clegg says-no. He is a confirmed liar and will say whatever he wants for his own political career.
Lying is dishonest Clegg, what do you teach your children? To lie to people to get what you want?
What are you doing about Laws and his expense fiddling? Are you cleaning up politics like you claimed? You came into politics to bring about reform, when are you going to stop the institutionalised corruption in the House of Corruption?
Disappear back under stone from whence you came. Politics would be better without you and the likes of you.
Not an anti Clegg vote, but an anti Lib Dem vote!
The Lib Dems want this AV so badly that they disregarded pledges to students. This referendum on AV was more important to them as a party… Ooops!
They all signed pledges then they trotted through the lobbies to vote for massive tuition fee rises. Clegg may hide, but the great unwashed know that their word is not their bond.
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http://blogs.wsj.com/iainmartin/2011/02/18/the-battle-for-the-no-campaign-and-a-prime-minister-in-peril/tab/comments/#comment-13180
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He used to be indecisive, now he is not so sure !
Heard you the first time BillyBob.
He used to repeat himself, now he copies what he just said.
Useless twat….what a waste of air he is
I can’t see how an alternative vote will help the Lib Dems. Neither Left nor right voters will tick the Lib Dem as an alternative. I can however, see how UKIP would benefit.
Clegg Launches Alternative Vote Campaign
http://news.sky.com/skynews/Article/201009115935404
Having watched that clip, all I can say is. I agree with Nick.
Oh no! Everytime I look at him now I hear that song ‘it wasn’t me!’
Every time I look at him I want to spew up!
I try not looking at him. That works best.
Mine and Gordon’s signature tune !
It’s all his idea
before this coalition it was the only way the glibs would ever get a say in anything !
Morning Frankie! By glibs, I presume you are referring to the gay Liberals?
mornin ar moniker
yes could well be
but more the fact that they are clueless bastards with a lack of idea’s
Wouldn’t Gay Liberals be a tautology?
Years ago I remember reading my copy of the Times which reported on the police raiding The Liberal Club in London. They found a number of naked and semi-naked men, some with boots on, standing on each other and doing unspeakable things to each other. Just normal HoC behaviour nowadays, of course.
I have tried to find this incident on the internet but there is not a trace to be found. Must have been early ’70s.
AV will see an end to conservatives in government and throw the UK’s economy backward. Why? Because AV will enable labour with naive help from lib dems to covertly cut deals to encourage their core voters to always cast the second vote for the other party, enabling permanent labour government, because with 6 million in the public sector and quite a few other millions on benefits there is such a large client state that conservatives will fail to get enough seats in a commons elected through AV. A yes vote in the referendum will mean no more conservative prime ministers in my life time. And I’m not that old!
I think all ukip supporters would put the tories as second choice, and ensure a conservative government.
Tory supporters would put ukip as second choice.
Labour supporters do not have enough intelligence to put more than one x on a sheet of paper, so don’t matter.
libDems would put labour as second choice.
Clegg why the hell is he on tv,with a party political broadcast for Clegg,why the hell is he on, he’s a nothing,since when did we vote him in, I really give up.
Wake up Billy, new thread! Billy? BILLY??
Blimey, he’s gone missing too. Saving his strength for the caption comp later?
FFS give the guy a break ………. hahahahaha
actually, where is he??
Probably polishing his middle stump at this time of the morning!
Still the only argument against AV seem to be that “it wouldn’t produce the kind of election result that I want.”
Isn’t that what both sides are arguing?
Harsh and true……..
FPTP is unfair. So are most systems, to some extent.
AV is not the answer, but it’s the only one we have been given a choice on.
That’ll be 41% neither of the above, then.
I thought they used postal voting to sort that dilemma out.
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Only Liebore candidates benefit from postal votes.
The way things are stitched up at present, there is no kind of election result that i want.
Can I suggest the best of three !
So long as the choice of three does not include
labour; conservative; or liberal
Independant in the title does not cut it either
It’s a good argument!
Alternative Vote ‘Would Have Kept Brown In’ http://bit.ly/hC5ZSs
Actually, Sir WIlliam, it wouldn’t produce the kind f election result anyone would want.
Just think about this coalition – how many major policy decisions taken since May last year were in the manifestos of either party, let alone both?
AV will entrench coalitions and the sorts of backroom, off-the-manifesto dealings we’re now seeing and in which the public have no say. AV works for the politicians not the public.
We do things differently here. In Egypt ad Libya the have a “Day of Rage”; here we have a “Day of Being Mildly Irritated That They Might Sell Off A Few Trees”. Leave our voting alone. Equal sized constituencies and FPTP will be democratic enough.
Clegg : this (AV) is something that the effects will be felt long after i’m gone
Err Nick !
it wont even be in by the end of the year
AV will deliver us unstable coalition government “ad infinitum”with the LibDems holding the balance of power over whichever main party,Tory or Labour that “wins” the election…you only have to look at somewhere like Italy(who incidentally are proposing to change their voting system from AV to first-past the post)who have had almost 70 governments since the end of WW2…….AV is recipe for disaster(ignoring the fact that it will allow LibDems a say in government…always a bad move) and it needs to be soundly binned…the only sensible referendum vote on May 5 is “No” if you want another coalition government with LibDems pulling the strings then vote “Yes” and face the consequences.Let’s face it look where “I agree with Nick” got us last time………..
AV will NOT lead to coalition after coalition. It will more often than not lead to LABOUR governments with large majorities. If that’s what you think the country needs vote YES. If you would rather have Tory or Tory/LibDem coalitions vote NO.
What! No Maybe?
just say NO
I do…. to the wife, but not the g/f !!
Where would he be without the TV debates? Nowhere
Or t’internet!
http://www.thedailymash.co.uk/politics/politics-headlines/cameron-and-clegg-clash-over-how-to-elect-greedy%2c-incompetent-freaks-201102183555/
Guido
Urgent Urgent
I must use your blog to summon the whole Gaggafi family for an urgent summit at Jacob’s house in Corfu to see where we will hide the billions.
Mandy you must be there as our bagman please
As usual.
the Powell brothers as well of course
I’ll supply the usuall young russian rent boys for you !
Dont’ forget me either Tony
I have a spot of bother as well
Remember all those nice holidays I paid for you ?
Are you briefed up?
It’s the periods he’s debriefed that’s the problem
No
For God’s sake keep this quiet Tony
With all Gaddafi’s billions we will make Madoff look like a beginner
We will be able to buy the WORLD with this heist.
PS What do you want be to do about all the requests from Gulf ?
I never imagined we could have hundreds of billions to deal with
This is mind-blowing stuff
there are peas and beefburger in my pan splatter reading, what does it mean
Couldn’t care less whether we have AV or FPTP. What is important with this bill is the equalisation of the constituencies and the removal of Labours in-built majority. This is the reason why the Labour bstards in the Lords where attempting to filibuster the bill. They knew what this bill meant, the removal of many safe Labour seats. Good news.
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Completely agree. Good to see them rattled, too. They should prepare themselves for a dose of reality.
Anyone know the likely outcome (in terms of seats) of these changes?
Dose of reality? I’d prefer the whole bunch of Liebore to have a dose of the Clap!
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-12230663
Thanks for the link. (As to whether it is objective and impartial is another matter of course.)
We will neve get anywhere until they remove the Metropolitan area’s and get them back into the shires’,Heath and Maggie really screwed that one up,with enclaves of Liebour called Metro of nuclear free tin pots and loons ,if you voted for any of the others in these area’s then your vote is/was wiped out,
Ar Moniker Get your Moniker on here !
fuel protest petition !
http://www.fairfueluk.com/documents/petition.html
No autographs please!
(I have signed it! Even though I nearly confused you with one of my trolling fanbase.)
LOL ! just one of my many identities mate
Multiple identities? How frightfully naughty of you.
Clegg, Clegg, . . . wasn’t he in last of the Summer Wine?
Bruin must have been Foggy then, because he certainly didn’t have the foggiest what was happening!
“Last night his local Sheffield radio station, Hallam FM…”
Shouldn’t that be Halal FM?
No listeners of note, they were all away peacefully demonstrating……..
No Clegg in the Summer wine talks sense,Clegg the politician lkes the sound of his own voice and is a waste of C02 capture.
Radio 5 made it pretty clear they were in favour of AV. They had two nobody’s debating it this am and the pro AV was allowed to talk over and interupt No campaigner whilst the yes campaigner was given clear run.
Im not sure I care that much but if the BBC is for the Yes camp then I shall vote No
It will benefit Labour ergo BBC support the YES campaign.
Did you fiddle with the aspect ratio of that picture?
“why the long face”
Anybody see question time last night?
Its bad enough being shouted down by a bbbc hand picked bunch of deficit denyers in recent episodes, but last night we were treated to the chairman shouting down a panelist.
Woeful, truly woeful programme.
Ex-Chief Secretary to the Treasury Yvette Cooper ‘claimed’ she didn’t know what the deficit her government created is.
How convenient.
Imagine having to put up with that.
She was given free reign to veer from the question to get in her soundbites
2.4m unemployed was a succesful management of the economy 9 months ago. Now 0.1m more is a disaster, consigning millions to the workhouse, an early death, cats and dogs sleeeping together, etc.
It’s only a disaster when the 800,000 uncivil servants from the Liebour era have gone and the hundreds of money sucking spads the politicians employ at our expense and the one’s the goverments employ via the charities when they have one and we start to get unemployment coming through from compaies then we worry.
Yes, but they all do that, it’s part of their devious nature. What we need is a chairman who is prepared to insist on an answer to the question that has been asked, not the one that the panelist would like them to have asked. Big difference.
I recall attending a session of Any Questions some years ago when Balls-Cooper was one of the idiots on the stage. She spent most of her time reading through copious notes while others were speaking. It has to be the party line or nothing, bugger the question!
Allowed to get away with this absurdity un-challenged, of course.
There are two views on the fact that Ybarra cooper didn’t know the size of the deficit left by her government.
The charitable view is that she is telling the truth and genuinely doesn’t know the size or measure of the problem which her government created.
The uncharitable view is that she is a fucking lying cow who didn’t want to admit the sheer scale of the Clusterfuck bequeathed by her Government .This tactic is known as a “Harman”
Either way she showed herself totally unfit for office.
For Ybarra read Yvette ,the I pads predictive text is a pain in the arse.
Ybarra sounds less grating than ‘Yvette’ when spoken with her screeching accent. Eeeeeeeevett.
An ex-Chief Secretary as sparky as Cooper DOES know the real figures.
She didn’t want to talk about it, full stop. And her coquettish little grin got her off with Dimbleby.
Amazing how many times Mrs Ball said ‘shoudl have’ when talking the government of which she was a member.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-1358098/Why-time-time-Question-Time.html
“The audience is always the same noxious, inarticulate blend of Left-wing local government activists, NHS malcontents, trades union officials, spotty students and women in headscarves. Occasionally, they throw in a couple of comedy Tories with dandruff, for the rest of the crowd to boo.”
And Mr Littlejohn agrees with you….
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-1358098/Why-time-time-Question-Time.html
The media are now saying the Government can no longer blame the cuts on Labour’s mismanagement. Eh? This whole mess was caused by Gordon Brown, how in god’s name is he not to blame? When the crash started over 3 years ago the Labour pols were quick to blame Maggie who had been out of power for nearly 20 years, and if I remember correctly the BBC weren’t exactly unsympathetic to that view.
Jacqui five-bellies made this point on This Week.
“I heard an audience resist the claim that the deficit was the fault of the previous government. They can’t use that claim for much longer.” !!!
It’s not even been a year, Jacqui !!! And the deficit is huge !!!
FFS Labour are still blaming Thatcher for most things.
The media narrative has established an interesting precedent ie the cause of something changes with the passage of time and may no longer be seen as said cause.
Many criminals can point to this principle and say I may have at one time robbed that bank but since 9 months have passed since the event it was no longer me what done it gov.
On the contrary thought that the
undercurrent of programme had shifted
from usual. Although I admit I haven’t
watched for some weeks.
Yvette Cooper-Balls seemed cowed to me.
The trappings of power gone all these
former ministers seem hollow.
Er, not really. She’s not so much a deficit-denier as a reality-denier.
so would you be if you were married to bollox
“Under AV Clegg will be able to cut a political deal to save his skin behind closed doors with whomever gets the most votes, never mind the manifesto promises…”
Guido,I can promise you that Ed Miliband will cut no political deals with Nick”Quisling”Clegg.
Nick Clegg has to be the most unpopular politician who has brought a whole new meaning to the word “pledge”
FFS You should really cut down on that charlie habit. There’s limits.
Gordon Brown beat Clegg to it with his pledge of “NO MORE BOOM AND BUST.” Don’t think even Clegg can beat that one.
I’ve corrected it for you.
Ed Balls has to be the most unpopular politician who has brought a whole new meaning to the word slug
Who is Felicity Sparks Guido ?
She is almost as irreverent as you are
damned good
She knocks our Sally into her little bootees…
On the one hand I can’t stand Nick Clegg and his volte-faces since the election. He lost his party several seats and still managed to worm his way into deputy PM – I’m not a Conservative but I’d have thought more of David C if he’d opted for a minority Government, whose legitimacy would have been beyond doubt. That is of course another debate – I just wanted to make my position on Clegg clear.
But…
On this occasion I’m with Clegg for keeping a low profile. If there is reason to believe that your presence in a campaign is going to taint it because your personal influence is toxic, rightly or not, temporarily or permanently, you need to reduce your influence and get people focused on the issues. For this reason I actually think he’s doing the right thing.
“Clegg will be able to cut a political deal … behind closed doors with whomever gets the most votes, never mind the manifesto promises …”
Bit like now, then?
Has Guido sided with the FPTP Gang or the AV Mob in this skirmish?
There are also the “First past the AV” mob as well, TT. Will we get further referenda to withdraw the method it if it does not suit?
There are many, many variations of PR.
This particularly crap one has been chosen to discredit them all.
There will only ever be one referendum on PR. If it passes and then AV fails (as it prob will) we will go back to FPTP. This was always the intention to kill PR dead.
I used to support PR but now anything that chameleon cnut clegg puts his name to I’ll fight against tooth and nail… tosser.
What does AV stand for?
because it doesn’t have any knees?
Audio Visual
Aston Villa
I’ve voted in every general election since I was able to, and not once has my vote ever affected who my local MP was. It’s always been a Tory and always will be.
Give me AV, even though it’s the worst system they could have picked.
It sounds like you’ll still get a Conservative M.P.
It’s AV, not magic.
Always thought that we should vote for out local MP and vote for the MP who has put themselves up for PM or party leaders separatly,by the monkeys nuts we could create some fun/problems and scare the daylights out of these unelected people who really run these political parties,imagine a Conservative PM and Liebour led house of C,it would end up in chaos,oh we already have that.
we probably still will get a Tory MP, but at least my vote will have counted………..for someone….I think ?
It does now in that sense ??
If you’re not voting for the winner then by definition it’s a ‘wasted vote’, whatever system ??
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Condorcet_method
The four extracts below are actual words and positions adopted by Clegg in the run up to the 2010 election.
Look around us: our civil liberties casually cast aside, gigantic, faceless and incompetent government bureaucracies […] I want a new politics, a people’s politics, where political life is not a Westminster village freak show, but open, accessible, and helpful in people’s everyday lives. Where parents, pupils and patients are can take charge of our schools and hospitals. [December 2007]
People need to be trusted to make those choices. There is a terrible pessimism in the way Gordon Brown thinks we should all be organised from above. It just means taking a cold, hard look at all government spending and asking a basic question: Is it working? I know with this approach – streamlined spending and targeted tax cuts, we can get our economy going again. What depresses me most about what Labour has done to our country… Is that they’ve made it a place that’s not fit for our children. I want Fewer MPs, A fair voting system…..A million – a million innocent people have their DNA on a criminal database. More surveillance cameras than anywhere in the world. Shouldn’t we try something new? [September 2008]
I think Labour has to go into opposition before it reinvents itself, I think it is a really exciting time in politics. I mean, look, you’re probably going to chuckle, but – I mean, I want to be prime minister. Not out of some weird sort of vanity, but because there is no point in me being leader of my party unless I want to actually get in a position to change stuff. But I want to change stuff not on the basis of the old rules. [May 2009]
One year later at the following Party conference Nick Clegg tried to get his party to end its commitment to abolishing tuition fees. See this Link . Ultimately he failed to persuade his party to agree with him. Instead he managed to get a commitment to forgo one full parliamentary term before having to tackle. Anyone who read Clegg’s views on Tuition fees or indeed the official party position should have known that they would not keep the pledge. [September 2009]
I used to get in awful bother with Liberal Democrat supporters before the election, because I was so critical of the Liberal Democrats. Unfortunately, back then I was aware the Clegg was obsessed with streamlining the state, with reducing the number of MPs, with tax cuts. His obsession with rolling back the state reminded me of a young Thatcher. Most of all, I was acutely aware of how much Nick Clegg despised big state socialism. In a children’s world there is a convention, no matter how cool you might think ‘Mr Popular’ is, if he does not like you, go and make friends with someone else. Nick Clegg never courted overtures from Gordon Brown or the Labour Party, he was much more interested in shaping his party’s policy programme to make it as compatible as possible with David Cameron’s.
For crying out loud Eion,I can’t read that I’m in a hurry,I’v just finished my night job and have to get down to the job centre,these benefits don’t collect themselves you know.
glad to see you’re making work pay
Let’s ask nick about local taxes for local spending, how’s that coming along Nick? Or did you find it vetoed by the EU?
given that he EU can nix any of your ideas who cares what voting system we have?
The post-democratic i.e. undemocratic EUSSR also decides what laws we have to have.
Until we leave the EUSSR any election result is irrelevant.
Remember all those students who turned up too late to vote at the last election. All that fuss.
We wanted to vote for Nick!
Next time around those same polling stations could probably shut a bit earlier without offending anyone.
And let the pubs open later that night, too.
Give them their EMA allowance the day before.
Polling stations were open IIRC from 7 a.m. to 10 p.m. That’s quite long enough.
But they believed that Nick could change their world….and he did ….he raised tuition fees to £9,000 pa
What is missing from the AV debate and is urgently needed are worked examples showing what results would be under First past the post and AV.
Is it true that the least unpopular candidate always gets elected instead of the most popular, (even if by only a small margin.)?
What would happen if the current opinion poll figures were translated into votes cast under the AV system?
How many BNP or Islamist MPs would AV allow in?
What would the ballot paper look like if Parliamentary, Council and European elections were held on the same day; could the instructions to the electorate actually be made accurate and understandable, even to the half of the population below average IQ? Show us an example ballot paper.
Ballot papers would be particularly complex if Parliamentary, Local, and European elections were held under different systems. Don’t forget that every ballot paper rejected because the voter has not understood the system, represents a disenfranchised voter.
Will AV be applied to European and Council elections?
Provide example results under FPP and AV.
Voters cannot make an informed choice unless they see how the system would work in practice, and what might go wrong, (or right) under the new system.
Also needed;
AV Opinion polls ranking the three main parties in order of preference.
And why not make it relevant to the respondent’s constituency and provide that information too.
Clegg has to push AV because after all the lies he told before the election
they are facing a total wipe out next time
so their only chance is AV
off to earn TAT’s giro now !
Clegg is undoubtedly showing his colours here – yellow – he claims on the radio that the old system was okay for 2 party politics but not for today with multiple parties – he claims politics is better than those days – total hoonery – dos he not see that over 50% of MPs have stolen from the taxpayer?? Politics in this country is corrupt
Well he was an MEP so he knows all about corrupt systems.
Clegg’s career is looking about as healthy as Steve Jobs these days.
U.K. retail sales rose almost four times as much as economists forecast in January as consumer spending rebounded after the coldest December in a century. WTF !!!! But I’ve been predicting economical collapse for weeks and weeks now ?????
If only that were true. Retail sales are dire.
The month on month growth of 1.9 per cent in January followed a decline in retail sales volume of 1.4 per cent in December. The underlying picture may therefore be better considered by noting that in the two months taken together, sales increased by 0.5 per cent.
http://bloom.bg/dRrDdL
Like-for-like sales, which strip out the impact of new store openings, rose by 2.3% against a year earlier, the British Retail Consortium (BRC) said.
And if you take off the VAT increase, which makes the price higher, but the tax greater, then its almost nil. 0.2 ish.
I don’t agree with Nick.
Guido, is there any substance to the rumours of a snap May election?
Substance abuse
probably LSD.
No.
Yes. I heard it from Tim Farron’s Vicar.
Why would Clegg agree to that? Which he would have to?
Dream on……
RUMOUR OF MAY ELECTION CONFIRMED !!!
MAY 2015
Today I will be a prime minister.
Of Egypt.
How about you attend parliament for only the second time since we kicked your sorry arse out of office ?
according to records since that time you have attended once
to vote against the government on aircraft carriers because they are being built in jockland (Well Below Average ) for an MP
you have replyed to a few constituents letters (Well Below Average)
and using your big crayon
you have scribled five questions to the minister for work and pensions two on the 5th of Feb and three on the 11th of Feb (Well Below Average )for an Mp
why you should show interest in the pension of one of your constituents when you personally fucking destroyed the pensions of a generation is beyond me !
the fact that concerns me is you are stealing money from us the tax payer by not bothering to dop the job we are paying you for also you useless bog eyed jock twat you nare using all this spare time to earn hundreds of thousands of pounds from any idiot country who will pay you to spout your crap to them
i hope the DPP are monitoring you and that you end up where all labour mp’s should be
in the pokey
Good rant +1
Give me free benefits or I blows you up.
Who am I?
Who were you, you mean.
http://www.moneymad.org/Previous/Gordon_Brown_helmet.jpg
I love pussy.
Larry is a cute cat.
I don’t agree with Nick.
Look, be fair. Nick wants to spend more time with his family, having naps, and dealing with the certainty that Cable is going to get SO antsy about the Newscorp referral very, very soon.
Meanwhile, in the Courtrooms of London, the sticky keys of Newscorp phones are on a sticky wicket…
http://hat4uk.wordpress.com/2011/02/18/hackgate-sitcom-farce-and-political-thriller-as-the-scandal-spreads/
Be careful what you wish for, Lord Prescott…….
I’ve got all the dirt on ministers. Gimme a year’s supply of Whiskas and the info’s yours.
I’m no fan of Clegg (he and the LD’s are miserable little compromise imo) but I listened to that interview today and he was implying that this was a referendum on voting reform and not a referendum on him, which seems fair enough to me.
It shouldn’t be an X Factor popularity contest, altho I guess it may well end up being one.
Obama’s coming in May!
x- factor popularity overdrive.
How astute of Nick to realise that heading the YesToAV campaign will result in an all-round raspberry to him and his party of fools, arseholes and idiots.
What a firkin waste of £250mill, which could be better spent on MP expenses and further subsidies to the Westminster Palace troughing facilities.
Yes to AV have also broken the law. They are not yet an official campaign as the Electoral Commission has to “approve” both official yes and no campaigns. Only then are they allowed to have an electoral register, yet they are already campaigning with a register – presumably provided by the Lib-Dems
This is typical of our Nick he has a selected memory!
This AV thing is starting to look like a Lib Lab stitch up. A yes vote could destabilize the coalition much more than a no vote since it effectively ends any realistic prospect of a majority Tory govt ever again. Swallowing the medicine until 2014 will be a small price to pay for if the reward is near permanent coalition with labour and the much vaunted realignment of the left. Cameron cannot afford a yes vote under any circumstances since he cannot move liberal enough whilst anchored to the redwood hannan tebbit fringe. It might require cleggs head but milibands yes move starts to look pretty shrewd and browns referendum legacy shrewder still. Revenge from the grave ??