February 15th, 2011

No Holds Barred

There was no love lost in the AV campaign today with No launching this morning and both sides ending up in yet another counter-productive Twitter war. Guido is looking forward to this fight becoming more than constant baiting online and the odd luvvie thrown in for good measure.

The No launch came with a push on how much AV would cost and what the money could be spent on instead. Their poster campaign seems to convey that Yes2AV want to kill babies. While perhaps a little too much hyperbole there, what was interesting was the dismissal of the notion that Yes could be considered the “anti-politics” vote. As the former TPA Director Matthew Elliot said, (from a podium very deliberately south of the river on the other side from Parliament,) where are the Yes team’s battle scars from years of fighting the establishment? They queued up to slam Clegg, with Robert Winston, who takes the Labour whip in the Lords, arguing he was not a politician.


139 Comments

  1. 1
    Billy Bowden is the greatest umpire ever ! says:

    bit over the top , Fptp for me.

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  2. 2
    Postal Voter says:

    What a waste of time and energy is all is !

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    • 3
      Billy Bowden is the greatest umpire ever ! says:

      Good point , doesnt matter what system we have we will still get EU arse-lickers that have never worked in the private sector.

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      • 25
        Postal Voter says:

        The only mildly interesting factor about this whole AV Campaign is that it does have enormous potential for either/both sides to descend into the depths of dirty politics. However, £ 250,000,000 could be better spent instead of watching politicos fighting to trash their opponents.

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      • 58
        herewegoagain says:

        Agreed.
        It will make them less accountable, as no-one will need an absolute majority to get into power.
        Plus we will be (even) less able to influence them

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    • 4
      Rat's arse says:

      Too true postal vote. Mind you, the Lieber trolls will be up all night filling in the bogus polling slips. Shame innit!

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    • 130
      Nocoalition Soup says:

      AV means surrendreing our right to choose the governing party to the Lib Dems.
      IT means they will be in goverment for ever and will choose which of the other two parties govern with them – according to how many cabinet seats and ministereal cars they can screw out of them.

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  3. 5
    Marmite says:

    Fat Tom Watson talking his usual shite on Parliament channel. He’s another b@stard who should be in the pokey.

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  4. 6
    Gordon Brown says:

    I’m a politician.

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  5. 8
    Urban Tory says:

    What gets me is that whilst AV is good in principle it is also just a ballbag of nonsense in real life.
    We do not have national elections, we have 650 local elections called a General Election! Constituents vote for MP’s they feel will best represent their values on a local and national level, as soon as the local majority is known all other votes for all other parties are irrelevant as the will of the people has spoken.

    There should be no alternate vote as it muddies the waters of democracy

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    • 79
      sockpuppet #4 says:

      I haven’t talked to a libdem for many years, but I didnt think they actually wanted AV.

      They should spend their time and effort on working out something sensible to do with the lords.

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      • 132
        :) says:

        If their Protection of Freedoms Bill is anything to go by, it’ll be an almighty cock-up.

        What mishmash of legal blind alleys and pay-offs to the friends that got them there.

        An absolute triumph of horse-trading, backhanders and sloppy thinking – with apologies to sloppy thinkers.

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    • 91
      AC1 says:

      The problem is that due to the strength of the whips (from MPs votes being public) people tend to vote for a party rather than an MP.

      I think MPs should vote in Private.
      The parliament Act should be abolished
      AV for the former Lords (as a blocking chamber).

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      • 101
        sockpuppet #4 says:

        AV, no.

        If we’re doing something with the lords it could for example:
        a) Have one of those other more complicated systems, and vote on a regional basis for several lords at once.
        b) give them rather long terms (not prison terms).

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  6. 9
    Talk about not learning from the mistakes of the past says:

    The picture could read in YES TO AV’S CAMPAIGN:

    She needs to grow up free, without being born a slave with X amount of debt caused by the unaccountable old party system.

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  7. 9
    stevibaldi says:

    doesnt matter how you vote, who you vote for, whoever gets in will carry on regardless, taxing the living shit out of those that are lucky to be in a job (working class only). And cosying up to the bankers, so that they can all feather their nests whilst feeding from the trough. Is it going to take an assassination before the the greedy fuckers sit up and take notice!!

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  8. 12
    capt apollo says:

    given that AV will lead to permanent coalition and a Liberal party always in power and the performance and lack of ability in government shown by the same Liberal party a vote NotoAV is a no brainer.

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  9. 15
    Gordon Brown says:

    Today i will be Larry the cat.

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  10. 18
    They're all smug, sneering Celt cunts at the BBC, 'cept Kuenssbergs whom I wish to bum intensely says:

    In the real fucking world, the Governor of the Bank of England is a useless fucking div, the BBC is clearly in open collaboration with the Union’s political arm, local council troughers are doing their collective utmost to wreck Conservative spending plans, hordes of state funded Labour supporting/dependent mouthpieces are patrolling the media complaining about ‘this savage cut or that one’, every member of the vested interests knows they can secure a U Turn on just about any policy, precious time is being wasted on this AV shyte, senior local NHS placemen are happily relaxed about waiting times rising, and to cap it all, two twats called Ed who should have enormous fucking targets hanging round their scrawny necks entitled, ‘I was whispering in McDoom’s ear as he wrecked the nation’s finances’, are being permitted to air-brush their involvement in the criminal recklessness, and are now gleefully disseminating lies as to exactly how catastrophic the damage they have caused is.

    Meanwhile, in Ten fucking Downing Street, Hilton has got Cameron chanting to some fucking Raah Sun God and arranging photo ops for a mangy fucking cat.

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    • 23
      Rat's arse says:

      There’s only one mangy pussy round Parliament and it’s not Larry. No prizes for guessing who I mean.

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    • 60
      Anger Management Manager..salary £98,000 for 2 days pw says:

      You’ll soon feel better if you keep repeating the phrase “The last thirteen years never happened and Labour bequeathed a “golden legacy” to the Tories; the AV referendum is just a ploy to keep the LibDems “fall-guys” happy and in the “Coalition” and “Big Society” is just cover for cuts in hard-pressed public services manned by dedicated and hardworking public sector workers” or just watch the BBC for 24 hours the effect will be the same………….

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    • 74
      Madoff Mandelson says:

      And I am going to get married to my latest boy

      Wait for it

      In the Regents Park Mosque

      Just round the corner from my ill gotten mansion…

      Thank you the Coalition

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  11. 21
    Billy Bowden is the greatest umpire ever ! says:

    Wanna go to the Olpymics ? you will ned a wheel barrow to buy a ticket.

    http://www.skysports.com/story/0,19528,15234_6752462,00.html

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    • 24
      Rat's arse says:

      Don’t think I’ll bother Billy. I’ll watch it on the t.v.

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      • 28
        Billy Bowden is the greatest umpire ever ! says:

        i amgoing to aviod it like the plauge.

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        • 51
          Rant says:

          Me too Billy.

          If only France had won that farce of a competition,they would now staging the Olympics and we would not have to hear the platitudes of Coe and company. As an added bonus it would have kept Tessa Jowell ( what an apt name, looking at the bag ) off our tv screens.

          Is the hag back living with her estranged husband now that the Italian Job has melted into the mists swirling in the Apennines?
          Thank goodness for the Italian Statute of Limitations, right Mills?

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          • Cynical-old-bag says:

            The budget for the Olympics has spiralled out of control. Well, what a surprise.

            Tessa Jowell and Lord Coe don’t have a brain cell between them. They have no idea about how to negotiate Contracts and avoid penalty clauses but still they forge on, spending our money like water under the guise that the country will benefit from hosting the Olympics.

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          • Cynical-old-bag says:

            In answer to your question about Jowell and Mills’ reconciliation, the media does think they will get back together. No surprise there, then.

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          • bradford says:

            Why do they need to avoid penalty clauses when they are void in English law?

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          • AC1 says:

            The build for the Olympics seems to be way ahead of “schedule”.

            They built in a costly (for the taxpayer) bonus scheme for early completion…

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          • bradford says:

            As my old boss used to say, it’s the easiest thing in the world to build on time and within budget if your schedule is long enough and your budget is fat enough.

            But then you did not provide a service.

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          • Cynical-old-bag says:

            Bradford – I did not realise that penalty clauses were now void in english law.

            Profuse apologies.

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        • 70
          Billy Bowden is the greatest umpire ever ! says:

          They never got divorced did they?

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          • Cynical-old-bag says:

            No they did not. Ms Jowell did not wear her wedding ring just after his court case (I looked for it) but it was back on her finger less than a year later.

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          • Ooops, I forgot to add in the VAT says:

            Perhaps a friendly hacker might find that they have been in constant contact throughout, despite any protestations to the contrary.

            A pity that Bribery Mills was not for the high-jump, especially as his ugly wife was Minister in charge of the Olympics.

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    • 30
      Anonymous says:

      Want to buy some halal lamb Billy?

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    • 102
      AC1 says:

      I’m going abroad for the Olympics, some sucker can rent my house for the month of security hell.

      Fuck you 2012!

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      • 127
        Cynical-old-bag says:

        Good idea. I once knew a family who lived in Wimbledon and did just that over the tennis fortnight.

        They made an absolute killing.

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  12. 31
    genghiz the kahn says:

    Where’s the bit about babying eating Tories?

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  13. 35
    Margaret Moran says:

    I’ve got No Holes Barred! Wahey!

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  14. 37
    Larry The Downing Street Cat says:

    The rats tell me there used to be a weird smelly man living here who liked to throw things and ride a rocking horse. Glad he’s gone.

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  15. 44
    So it's 3 yeses and you're through to the next round says:

    All they have to do is tell the electorate of “Chaverland” that “Hayvee” is a contestant on X Factor and that they should all vote yes to make her a star !!!!!

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    • 55
      AntanDec says:

      Plastic Cheryl, Smirky Si, Diminutive Dani, and Leprechaun Louis could give us the benefit of their wisdom

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  16. 45
    Gordon Brown says:

    My wife had a wonderful Valentine’s Day yesterday.

    In Canterbury.

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  17. 48
    Margaret Beckett says:

    Who’d like to put their vote in MY slot?

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  18. 49
    Dr Stantz says:

    Never mind just No 2 AV.

    No to the party system altogether! I want to see independent, non party representatives in Westminster, not party lapdog claiming to be our “leaders”!

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  19. 50
    I hate Blue Labour says:

    Wouldn’t leaving the EU provide ‘her’ with that maternity unit too?

    Wouldn’t withdrawing from unwinnable wars provide it?

    It’s idiotic and patronising to use government spending excess as a reason not to do something. AV is a bad idea because we’ll end up with more crap coalitions.

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    • 61
      Eeu to me says:

      AV is just a losers way of staying in power,they can’t win by being good at what they claim,so they have to resort to cheating,if they were running a horse race and came up with AV they would land in jail.

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    • 68
      Billy Bowden is the greatest umpire ever ! says:

      That would be a better question, At least if we pulled out we could make our own laws.

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  20. 57
    Eeu to me says:

    Kow towing to an evil bunch of greens to stay in power,ones who would like us back into the stone age while they live a life of luxury,gives you a clue about the power hungry turds that we have as politicians,FPTP if it’s an honest Referendum.

    Bit Ot Another fuel protest on 25th Stanlow Cheshire,I understand, they sent letters to their MP’s and number 10 and have had no replies,the MP’s are so up themselves they can’t be arsed.

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  21. 62
    @Kilkeal says:

    I hope all interested in this project look at link below and remember that was for a population of £4 million. Anyway I am sure these machines are still available. Any offers?
    http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/ireland/2010/…/1224280472996.html

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  22. 69
    Stupid Snapes says:

    Oh Yes the old TPA !!!!! and Matthew Elliott

    In 2009 Nick Ferrari ( Radio Journo ) asked TPA’s campaign manager Susie Squire whether she was “secretly Conservative?”, she rejected the accusation as “outrageous” saying the organisation was “totally independent”. After the election in May 2010 Susie Squire became a SpAd to the Tory State for Work and Pensions IDS…NUFF Said

    …and the No2AV is nothing different. No2AV is the organization the Tories hide behind

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    • 76
      Grumpy Old Man says:

      An organisation which believes that taxpayers money should be spent frugally and carefully isn’t going to attract many socialists, is it?

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      • 92
        Stupid Snapes says:

        Oh Please Grumpy stop being an Apologist

        errrr sorry Grumpy, but the TPA is just a pretend pressure group designed to provide quotes and reports for Tory ministers to use

        and for the record TPA director Alex*ander He*ath is a tax exile, along with most of the people who fund the TPA

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  23. 72
    AV or not AV says:

    The No campaign has been a shambles, and this new line of attack wont work. £250 million just doesn’t sound like a large amount of money anymore, considering the cost of Afghanistan and the massive figures we are constantly bombarded with when talking about the deficit.
    Considering a move to AV would change politics in this country for ever, I’m sure most who support it would consider £250m pretty cheap.
    This strategy definitely will not change anyone’s mind.

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    • 78
      Grumpy Old Man says:

      Minds are already made up. It’s getting 40% of the vote out on the day that’ll be the trick.

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  24. 75
    Billy Bowden is the greatest umpire ever ! says:

    It would be nice to vote for a party that isnt a EU arselicking socailist.

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    • 99
      Joe says:

      Of the top of my head Billy Bo;

      UK Independence Party
      British National Party
      English Democrats
      British Freedom Party

      Depends if their standing in your area as well I guess.

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  25. 77
    I hate my Country says:

    1st Vote higher VAT
    2nd Vote higher petrol
    3rd Vote higher interest rates
    4th Vote Berlusconi’s prozzie

    I want to keep on voting until my preffered choice wins.

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  26. 80
    Angry Voter says:

    Who is Robert Winston

    House of Vermin Shit seems to be filled with nonentities, perverts, thieves and homos ?

    Anything else ?

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  27. 85
    Ed Miliband says:
  28. 103
    Stupid Snapes says:

    Matthew Elliot and his baby The Tax Payers’ Alliance, are closely linked to several American lobbyists and groups involved in the Tea Party movement.

    The Alliance has also sought advice from the Tea Party leadership, with Matthew Elliott stating in September 2010 – “We need to learn from our European colleagues and the Tea Party movement in the US.

    No2AV = Neo Con Loonies.

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  29. 104
    Stupid Snapes says:

    Matthew Elliot and The Tax Payers’ Alliance, are closely linked to several American lobbyists and groups involved in the Tea Party movement.

    The Alliance has also sought advice from the Tea Party leadership, with Matthew Elliott stating in September 2010 – “We need to learn from our European colleagues and the Tea Party movement in the US.

    No2AV = Neo Con Loonies.

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  30. 106
    Homosexual Muslim says:

    I heard this was a gay dating site?

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  31. 112
    Catflap says:

    Alternative voting has got to be funnier than Alternative comedy for fucks sake.

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  32. 115
    Anonymous says:

    Cameron is a quisling.

    http://eureferendum.blogspot.com/

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  33. 116
    Green Dave & EU Nick says:

    We reject out of hand that our coalition of the willing progressives is in any way ‘crap’.
    We stand resolutely behind our record in office and are proud of the contributions we have made to the progressive movement over the last nine months.
    It is with some pride that we can confidently assert, that the courageous decision to sack our Army via e-mail, was not taken lightly.
    Neither was our decision to ‘get rid’ as some of our opponents have characterised it, of the Navy and Air Force.
    These difficult decisions were carefully considered and only after a rigorous, in-depth, cost / value analysis, of both our new military capability and our valued French partners military prowess and proven track record in advanced surrender tactics, or minimal conflict resolution tecniques, as our French allies prefer them to be called.
    We are proud to allow our forces to fight under the white flag of our French partners and it is with immense pride that we can re-affirm our committment to international co-operation and defence on the world stage, without any brave servicemen and women, or military equipment.

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  34. 124
    Mrs Faye Merritt says:

    “At the launch of the No2Av campaign Matthew Elliott said he wanted to see more “transparency” in politics. But when pressed on whether No2Av would publish details of who was funding its campaign Mr Elliott refused.” This sort of behaviour puts me right off Mr Elliott (whoever he is) and the No2Av campaign.

    I hope Wikileaks or Guido Fawkes can get hold of the information and publish it.

    The other side (Yes to AV) have openly revealed who has donated large sums to their campaign.

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  35. 133
    cnocspeireag says:

    Surely the Yes2AV crowd wouldn’t kill babies. It would spoil their fun in eating them.

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  36. 134
    pp says:

    So something you don’t like from ‘yes2av’ is a big issues, but something you don’t like from ‘no2av’ is a draw?

    Ok… Got that.

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  37. 136
    Anonymous says:

    Scotland was lumbered with a similar voting system merely to stop the SNP gaining power and we have the wonderful T Blair to thank for it – my how we thank him for the last 13 years.( Why hasn’t some Arab got him? it’s a real puzzle)

    Now Scotland has ONE conservative MP.
    AV would allow for the many poor souls who vote conservative to have some form of representation.

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  38. 137
    pp says:

    Not good for the Tax Payers Alliance – their founder saying that no system of democracy can be worth £250 million…

    I know the figure is massively disputed – but if there is one thing I *dont* mind paying taxes for it its to ensure that I am represented in parliament!

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  39. 139
    matchmakertoguido says:

    Dear Dave, or may I call you Camoron? Let me attempt to explain this, as simply as I can. A referendum offering to substitute a Republic for a Republic is an irrelevant waste of time, money, and effort. A mere (WMD), weapon of mass distraction. Because a real Democracy is a society, in which polices are selected by majority mandate. Its all about voting for polices, not personalities. Otherwise, all that is achieved is the perpetuation of the Clegg effect. Voted in to do one thing, then does the opposite. You yourself whinge about the E.U. insisting on the human rights of criminals to vote. Yet those votes are worthless. Did the E.U. complain that the human rights of the law abiding citizens of Britain were infringed, when Gormless Brown denied them a referendum on the E.U? Think on, sonny jim.

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