No Holds Barred
There was no love lost in the AV campaign today with No launching this morning and both sides ending up in yet another counter-productive Twitter war. Guido is looking forward to this fight becoming more than constant baiting online and the odd luvvie thrown in for good measure.
The No launch came with a push on how much AV would cost and what the money could be spent on instead. Their poster campaign seems to convey that Yes2AV want to kill babies. While perhaps a little too much hyperbole there, what was interesting was the dismissal of the notion that Yes could be considered the “anti-politics” vote. As the former TPA Director Matthew Elliot said, (from a podium very deliberately south of the river on the other side from Parliament,) where are the Yes team’s battle scars from years of fighting the establishment? They queued up to slam Clegg, with Robert Winston, who takes the Labour whip in the Lords, arguing he was not a politician.
bit over the top , Fptp for me.
Lewis-Duckworth 4 u billy.
U iz weee tard head.
Analmouse. Shup fool! Or u be waking up wiv rats head in ur bed.
What a waste of time and energy is all is !
Good point , doesnt matter what system we have we will still get EU arse-lickers that have never worked in the private sector.
The only mildly interesting factor about this whole AV Campaign is that it does have enormous potential for either/both sides to descend into the depths of dirty politics. However, £ 250,000,000 could be better spent instead of watching politicos fighting to trash their opponents.
Agreed.
It will make them less accountable, as no-one will need an absolute majority to get into power.
Plus we will be (even) less able to influence them
we are fucked whatever happens , To many people sucking on the state tit.
sally could help out there
Too true postal vote. Mind you, the Lieber trolls will be up all night filling in the bogus polling slips. Shame innit!
Don’t see the Tories or Lib Dems in a hurry to scrap postal votes either.
Yes quite the conspiracy of silence on that front…..
It doesn’t matter what you vote, you get what you don’t want.
AV means surrendreing our right to choose the governing party to the Lib Dems.
IT means they will be in goverment for ever and will choose which of the other two parties govern with them – according to how many cabinet seats and ministereal cars they can screw out of them.
That would be my first preference
Fat Tom Watson talking his usual shite on Parliament channel. He’s another b@stard who should be in the pokey.
I’ve never heard the term ‘Pokey’ is it another word for prison showers?
Sign of my misspent youth Urban. Pokey, Slammer, Big House etc., does mean prison. Good one about the showers!
Its old slang for a prison, that had its life extended by Roald Dahl, who had children in solitary confinement in one of his books (matilda).
Wasn’t that the chokey?
True he should be in pokey, along with quisling Dave and BB Osborne.
Count me in if there’s any pokey going !!
Chokey is more apt for you.
If you type the name of a dead tory MP who liked breathing through oranges it tends to drop your post.
Wanking yourself to death on a kitchen table, wearing little more than a pink tutu is no laughing matter.
Especially when the curtains aren’t drawn.
I’m a politician.
No you’re not, you’re a spazza Jock who ruined the Country, now p@ss off!
Still delusional, I see.
Tossflap.
What gets me is that whilst AV is good in principle it is also just a ballbag of nonsense in real life.
We do not have national elections, we have 650 local elections called a General Election! Constituents vote for MP’s they feel will best represent their values on a local and national level, as soon as the local majority is known all other votes for all other parties are irrelevant as the will of the people has spoken.
There should be no alternate vote as it muddies the waters of democracy
I haven’t talked to a libdem for many years, but I didnt think they actually wanted AV.
They should spend their time and effort on working out something sensible to do with the lords.
If their Protection of Freedoms Bill is anything to go by, it’ll be an almighty cock-up.
What mishmash of legal blind alleys and pay-offs to the friends that got them there.
An absolute triumph of horse-trading, backhanders and sloppy thinking – with apologies to sloppy thinkers.
The problem is that due to the strength of the whips (from MPs votes being public) people tend to vote for a party rather than an MP.
I think MPs should vote in Private.
The parliament Act should be abolished
AV for the former Lords (as a blocking chamber).
AV, no.
If we’re doing something with the lords it could for example:
a) Have one of those other more complicated systems, and vote on a regional basis for several lords at once.
b) give them rather long terms (not prison terms).
The picture could read in YES TO AV’S CAMPAIGN:
She needs to grow up free, without being born a slave with X amount of debt caused by the unaccountable old party system.
doesnt matter how you vote, who you vote for, whoever gets in will carry on regardless, taxing the living shit out of those that are lucky to be in a job (working class only). And cosying up to the bankers, so that they can all feather their nests whilst feeding from the trough. Is it going to take an assassination before the the greedy fuckers sit up and take notice!!
Multiple will be needed on all three parties just to ram the point home.
I am still waiting for one the MPs caught up in the expenses scandel to commit suicide .
Before they’ve had a chance to sell their stories, Billy ???? Behave !!
Och, there’s still time.
Yes – I think you may be right there.
Prison hasn’t deterred them, it’s only made them even more careful not to get caught.
given that AV will lead to permanent coalition and a Liberal party always in power and the performance and lack of ability in government shown by the same Liberal party a vote NotoAV is a no brainer.
I agree – but then I see who’s heading up the No campaign (http://www.no2av.org/11/president-patrons-and-campaign-staff-announcement/). I mean, anything that’s presided over by Rosa Klebb must be bad news for the rest of us. Knobber Norris is the only one there who talks any sense.
Farage makes a good case for Yes in his excellent book. OK, I know his party’s full of loons but wouldn’t it be FUN to have the likes of him in power?
The politicians supporting the No campaign are a strong argument against it.
Precisely, AC1 – which is why I’ve indeed changed my mind over the last few weeks.
Today i will be Larry the cat.
Impossible. Cats are cute. You’re an ugly mong faced c unt.
Neutered, with a streak of cruelty. The cap fits, McCavity.
STFU Fool! U iz not kitteh! U iz stinky jock.
No need for that tat. Remember you are still on a yellow card.
Tat’s on lots of pills too.
He’s not on valium that’s for sure. LOL
You were the poison in my box.
In the real fucking world, the Governor of the Bank of England is a useless fucking div, the BBC is clearly in open collaboration with the Union’s political arm, local council troughers are doing their collective utmost to wreck Conservative spending plans, hordes of state funded Labour supporting/dependent mouthpieces are patrolling the media complaining about ‘this savage cut or that one’, every member of the vested interests knows they can secure a U Turn on just about any policy, precious time is being wasted on this AV shyte, senior local NHS placemen are happily relaxed about waiting times rising, and to cap it all, two twats called Ed who should have enormous fucking targets hanging round their scrawny necks entitled, ‘I was whispering in McDoom’s ear as he wrecked the nation’s finances’, are being permitted to air-brush their involvement in the criminal recklessness, and are now gleefully disseminating lies as to exactly how catastrophic the damage they have caused is.
Meanwhile, in Ten fucking Downing Street, Hilton has got Cameron chanting to some fucking Raah Sun God and arranging photo ops for a mangy fucking cat.
There’s only one mangy pussy round Parliament and it’s not Larry. No prizes for guessing who I mean.
Hi Boys
Well when you as sex in alleyways wiv total strangers, it does get a bit mangy love
Spot on Sally!
Widders ????
I am not buxom.
You really have to wonder what the fuck Mervyn does all day. Turns up to a meeting once a month to say No. Sometimes, in hindsight, he tells us what we should have done.
C’mon guv…do sumfink!!!!!!!!
Looks up synonyms for unexpected I think.
I’m sure they’ve worked out by now that credit deflation, isn’t deflationatary (except in notional assets).
You’ll soon feel better if you keep repeating the phrase “The last thirteen years never happened and Labour bequeathed a “golden legacy” to the Tories; the AV referendum is just a ploy to keep the LibDems “fall-guys” happy and in the “Coalition” and “Big Society” is just cover for cuts in hard-pressed public services manned by dedicated and hardworking public sector workers” or just watch the BBC for 24 hours the effect will be the same………….
And I am going to get married to my latest boy
Wait for it
In the Regents Park Mosque
Just round the corner from my ill gotten mansion…
Thank you the Coalition
Wanna go to the Olpymics ? you will ned a wheel barrow to buy a ticket.
http://www.skysports.com/story/0,19528,15234_6752462,00.html
Don’t think I’ll bother Billy. I’ll watch it on the t.v.
i amgoing to aviod it like the plauge.
Me too Billy.
If only France had won that farce of a competition,they would now staging the Olympics and we would not have to hear the platitudes of Coe and company. As an added bonus it would have kept Tessa Jowell ( what an apt name, looking at the bag ) off our tv screens.
Is the hag back living with her estranged husband now that the Italian Job has melted into the mists swirling in the Apennines?
Thank goodness for the Italian Statute of Limitations, right Mills?
The budget for the Olympics has spiralled out of control. Well, what a surprise.
Tessa Jowell and Lord Coe don’t have a brain cell between them. They have no idea about how to negotiate Contracts and avoid penalty clauses but still they forge on, spending our money like water under the guise that the country will benefit from hosting the Olympics.
In answer to your question about Jowell and Mills’ reconciliation, the media does think they will get back together. No surprise there, then.
Why do they need to avoid penalty clauses when they are void in English law?
The build for the Olympics seems to be way ahead of “schedule”.
They built in a costly (for the taxpayer) bonus scheme for early completion…
As my old boss used to say, it’s the easiest thing in the world to build on time and within budget if your schedule is long enough and your budget is fat enough.
But then you did not provide a service.
Bradford – I did not realise that penalty clauses were now void in english law.
Profuse apologies.
They never got divorced did they?
No they did not. Ms Jowell did not wear her wedding ring just after his court case (I looked for it) but it was back on her finger less than a year later.
Perhaps a friendly hacker might find that they have been in constant contact throughout, despite any protestations to the contrary.
A pity that Bribery Mills was not for the high-jump, especially as his ugly wife was Minister in charge of the Olympics.
Want to buy some halal lamb Billy?
Halalleluia ???
I’m going abroad for the Olympics, some sucker can rent my house for the month of security hell.
Fuck you 2012!
Good idea. I once knew a family who lived in Wimbledon and did just that over the tennis fortnight.
They made an absolute killing.
Where’s the bit about babying eating Tories?
FATCHUR DRINKS THERE BLOOD N THEN LARFS.
I’ve got No Holes Barred! Wahey!
The rats tell me there used to be a weird smelly man living here who liked to throw things and ride a rocking horse. Glad he’s gone.
But the smell will linger for decades.
Not so much a smell, more a miasma of gloom punctuated by a Nokia-throwing poltergeist.
Shouldn’t have had Norman Bates as your leader then, should you?
All they have to do is tell the electorate of “Chaverland” that “Hayvee” is a contestant on X Factor and that they should all vote yes to make her a star !!!!!
Plastic Cheryl, Smirky Si, Diminutive Dani, and Leprechaun Louis could give us the benefit of their wisdom
My wife had a wonderful Valentine’s Day yesterday.
In Canterbury.
Who’d like to put their vote in MY slot?
The Derby Winner?
Need something bigger than that.
Never mind just No 2 AV.
No to the party system altogether! I want to see independent, non party representatives in Westminster, not party lapdog claiming to be our “leaders”!
Wouldn’t leaving the EU provide ‘her’ with that maternity unit too?
Wouldn’t withdrawing from unwinnable wars provide it?
It’s idiotic and patronising to use government spending excess as a reason not to do something. AV is a bad idea because we’ll end up with more crap coalitions.
AV is just a losers way of staying in power,they can’t win by being good at what they claim,so they have to resort to cheating,if they were running a horse race and came up with AV they would land in jail.
That would be a better question, At least if we pulled out we could make our own laws.
Kow towing to an evil bunch of greens to stay in power,ones who would like us back into the stone age while they live a life of luxury,gives you a clue about the power hungry turds that we have as politicians,FPTP if it’s an honest Referendum.
Bit Ot Another fuel protest on 25th Stanlow Cheshire,I understand, they sent letters to their MP’s and number 10 and have had no replies,the MP’s are so up themselves they can’t be arsed.
I hope all interested in this project look at link below and remember that was for a population of £4 million. Anyway I am sure these machines are still available. Any offers?
http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/ireland/2010/…/1224280472996.html
Oh Yes the old TPA !!!!! and Matthew Elliott
In 2009 Nick Ferrari ( Radio Journo ) asked TPA’s campaign manager Susie Squire whether she was “secretly Conservative?”, she rejected the accusation as “outrageous” saying the organisation was “totally independent”. After the election in May 2010 Susie Squire became a SpAd to the Tory State for Work and Pensions IDS…NUFF Said
…and the No2AV is nothing different. No2AV is the organization the Tories hide behind
An organisation which believes that taxpayers money should be spent frugally and carefully isn’t going to attract many socialists, is it?
Oh Please Grumpy stop being an Apologist
errrr sorry Grumpy, but the TPA is just a pretend pressure group designed to provide quotes and reports for Tory ministers to use
and for the record TPA director Alex*ander He*ath is a tax exile, along with most of the people who fund the TPA
Unlike those important unions….
Or the Guardian Group……
Or Tony Blair…….
The No campaign has been a shambles, and this new line of attack wont work. £250 million just doesn’t sound like a large amount of money anymore, considering the cost of Afghanistan and the massive figures we are constantly bombarded with when talking about the deficit.
Considering a move to AV would change politics in this country for ever, I’m sure most who support it would consider £250m pretty cheap.
This strategy definitely will not change anyone’s mind.
Minds are already made up. It’s getting 40% of the vote out on the day that’ll be the trick.
It would be nice to vote for a party that isnt a EU arselicking socailist.
Of the top of my head Billy Bo;
UK Independence Party
British National Party
English Democrats
British Freedom Party
Depends if their standing in your area as well I guess.
1st Vote higher VAT
2nd Vote higher petrol
3rd Vote higher interest rates
4th Vote Berlusconi’s prozzie
I want to keep on voting until my preffered choice wins.
Better be quick
Silvio is on his way out…
I’d vote for Higher Interest Rates, low Interest rates are a welfare state style moral hazard for property spivs and credit card junkies.
Who is Robert Winston
House of Vermin Shit seems to be filled with nonentities, perverts, thieves and homos ?
Anything else ?
Rather like the House of Commons no ?
He is another lizard
with a BIG mustache…
I bet you a bottle of Veuve Cliquot Winston lives in Hampstead..
Any takers ?
I’ll pass.
I’m bald so I don’t need any fancy shampoo, thanks.
I’ve listened to a talk or two from him….
IMHO
Posh sounding Wind-bag Marxist Narcissist which qualifies him to appear on AlJaBeebya a lot.
Thank you for that HUGE contribution Empty Boy…
Matthew Elliot and his baby The Tax Payers’ Alliance, are closely linked to several American lobbyists and groups involved in the Tea Party movement.
The Alliance has also sought advice from the Tea Party leadership, with Matthew Elliott stating in September 2010 – “We need to learn from our European colleagues and the Tea Party movement in the US.
No2AV = Neo Con Loonies.
Matthew Elliot and The Tax Payers’ Alliance, are closely linked to several American lobbyists and groups involved in the Tea Party movement.
The Alliance has also sought advice from the Tea Party leadership, with Matthew Elliott stating in September 2010 – “We need to learn from our European colleagues and the Tea Party movement in the US.
No2AV = Neo Con Loonies.
What Margaret Beckett and John Prescott?
I heard this was a gay dating site?
Yes we are all very happy here.
It’s 72 White Raisins.
If you’re a muslim tramp you could get a gobble. Watch out for Mustapha Me Ownblog
Alternative voting has got to be funnier than Alternative comedy for fucks sake.
Cameron is a quisling.
http://eureferendum.blogspot.com/
We reject out of hand that our coalition of the willing progressives is in any way ‘crap’.
We stand resolutely behind our record in office and are proud of the contributions we have made to the progressive movement over the last nine months.
It is with some pride that we can confidently assert, that the courageous decision to sack our Army via e-mail, was not taken lightly.
Neither was our decision to ‘get rid’ as some of our opponents have characterised it, of the Navy and Air Force.
These difficult decisions were carefully considered and only after a rigorous, in-depth, cost / value analysis, of both our new military capability and our valued French partners military prowess and proven track record in advanced surrender tactics, or minimal conflict resolution tecniques, as our French allies prefer them to be called.
We are proud to allow our forces to fight under the white flag of our French partners and it is with immense pride that we can re-affirm our committment to international co-operation and defence on the world stage, without any brave servicemen and women, or military equipment.
Another £45 million today, kerching, thank you come again.
“At the launch of the No2Av campaign Matthew Elliott said he wanted to see more “transparency” in politics. But when pressed on whether No2Av would publish details of who was funding its campaign Mr Elliott refused.” This sort of behaviour puts me right off Mr Elliott (whoever he is) and the No2Av campaign.
I hope Wikileaks or Guido Fawkes can get hold of the information and publish it.
The other side (Yes to AV) have openly revealed who has donated large sums to their campaign.
Yeah – Rowntree (the Royal Bank of Libdumplings) and the Electoral Retarded Society (Victorian constitutional mentalists).
A reply typical of one a schoolboy of 14 might give
Surely the Yes2AV crowd wouldn’t kill babies. It would spoil their fun in eating them.
So something you don’t like from ‘yes2av’ is a big issues, but something you don’t like from ‘no2av’ is a draw?
Ok… Got that.
Scotland was lumbered with a similar voting system merely to stop the SNP gaining power and we have the wonderful T Blair to thank for it – my how we thank him for the last 13 years.( Why hasn’t some Arab got him? it’s a real puzzle)
Now Scotland has ONE conservative MP.
AV would allow for the many poor souls who vote conservative to have some form of representation.
Not good for the Tax Payers Alliance – their founder saying that no system of democracy can be worth £250 million…
I know the figure is massively disputed – but if there is one thing I *dont* mind paying taxes for it its to ensure that I am represented in parliament!
Dear Dave, or may I call you Camoron? Let me attempt to explain this, as simply as I can. A referendum offering to substitute a Republic for a Republic is an irrelevant waste of time, money, and effort. A mere (WMD), weapon of mass distraction. Because a real Democracy is a society, in which polices are selected by majority mandate. Its all about voting for polices, not personalities. Otherwise, all that is achieved is the perpetuation of the Clegg effect. Voted in to do one thing, then does the opposite. You yourself whinge about the E.U. insisting on the human rights of criminals to vote. Yet those votes are worthless. Did the E.U. complain that the human rights of the law abiding citizens of Britain were infringed, when Gormless Brown denied them a referendum on the E.U? Think on, sonny jim.