AV: What Would Jesus Do?
The looney left and the church don’t often go hand in hand, so imagine Guido’s surprise as Yes to AV declared this afternoon that they are walking in the path of the righteous man. In what is becoming an increasingly surreal campaign from the well funded LibDem front, ten Church of England Bishops have been lined up as a big-hitting endorsement:
“Voting systems are not value free. I am supporting a change on the grounds of justice and accountability. AV will increase the likelihood that the general preference of a majority rather than a plurality will shape the choice of MPs, and so Parliament.”
Although liking a two-thirds majority, the Papal conclave still uses first past the post in a dead-lock so Guido won’t be taking much notice of the new church’s view.
UPDATE: The No Campaign point out that one of the Bishops is the vice-president of the Electoral Reform Society, one of the Yes campaign’s biggest donors.
UPDATE II: Jonathan Bartley, the Yes spinner is also a religious fundamentalist. The Jihad has begun…
Religon is bollocks anyway , and we only get another load of plastic mps
Oscar Wilde was right, religion is the opium of the masses.
Work is the curse of the drinking classes.
If Jesus did return, do you really think he’d appreciate seeing all those crucifixes?
He’d get very cross indeed.
I wonder what he’d think of the anne summers catalogue
SP4: Prefer Buffy Summers myself. Its the jumping around and jiggling that I like.
“We believe in sky fairies and AV”
Well I’m convinced…
That was Marx, genius.
Harpo or Groucho?
Deatho.
taking the piss are we ?
Low Interest rates are the opium of the masses ( by hook or by crook )
It was Karl Marx not Oscar Wilde who said that…..and he was wrong
I think the Church of England is B******s—it’s not a religion, more of a social gathering , and increasingly the bishops regard themselves as guardians of all people who dwell in the UK, whether Anglican or not; indeed whether Christian or not. Mercifully I converted to RC decades ago, I know it has its many, sometimes grievous, faults but at least it is a proper religion
You will of course burn in hell and what the fuck is a ‘proper religion’? Who moved the stone? It’s all utter bollocks but then of course, in your case, it’s ‘proper bollocks’.
A “proper religion” is one that tells you what to do.
The more often, and more intrusive, the better.
You know what, I agree with you
Like socialism.
There are different hells depending on which religion you’re in and which one you offended. If you’re a Roman Catholic (which I was unwittingly baptised into at the tender age of 3 before growing up and shaking off the shackles of someone Else’s dementia) then you’ll likely end up in a protestant hell. Judging by the name of their particular sect within the Christian blood cult, you’ll wish you were in someone Else’s hell.
If I were you I’d probably start slagging off Buddhist’s; their version of hell is probably quite quirky / bit trippy maybe.
Thanks… go forth, be strong.
I don’t believe in gods but I have loads of faries at the bottom of my garden. Other non-believers think I should be locked up.
What really cheers me that if Blair has truely embraced Cathiolicism he will never be free from guilt & no conversations in a box with a bloke in a dress will free him from that.
Got any photos?
The Rc church is simply The Roman Empire in clerical garb but with more superstition attached.
Given the current shirt-lifter-in chief’s dress sense, I though it was more like seeing Dorothy in the Wizard of Oz.
surreal indeed: so guido seeks catholic guidance on the electoral system, and supports an election system where only a small group of old fart bishops are allowed to vote.
Also… the lib dems are the loony left these days are they?
Nobody cares what The Church of Irrelevance says.
Also, if AV is so good, how come Teddy Millimollymandy got in? Noddy would have been preferable and more easily understood.
Let’s be brutally honest here – all politico’s couldn’t give a fuck about about the punter – just their members (Libs), Unions (Lab), their Associations & Chums (Tories).
Whichever way it’s played, taxes are gonna go up and you’ll find a different colour cock up your arse. hosni Mubarak – fucking amateur compared to these fucks.
At least the CoE care about a higher authority and some elements of conservatism – like fuck the papacy and the inexorable EU semen bukkake felching ooze dripping relentlessly out of our taxed up rectums.
Just a thought.
Spot on Mr Prick. I’m not voting for any politico barsteward anymore ‘cos it don’t matter a tinker’s toss who gets in -it’s the proles like me what are going to get shafted one way or t’other.
This AV crapola is designed to benefit the inhabitants of the Westminster stink bubble – end of. Won’t vote in any referendum about it either – so there !!
Wrong AV-they gave up the Authorised Version.
They gave up any bible translation and religion all together a little while back.
It takes an archbishop to retire to say that Christians are being discriminated against in this country. Shame its not said in office
also , If the referendum is based on fptp result wont that make invalid ? As they say AV is more representive ?
Democracy is for wimps.
Not in a ‘yes’ or ‘no’ vote, Billy. You only need AV for > 2 choices.
cheers
fptp? is that some combination of ftp and http?
OK, having looked it up on the internet, it does appear that what jesus would do is carry a big gun and shoot the damn faggots.
You see? You see?
Right, Schweinhunden, I want an apology, now!
No way.
You believe in evoloution.
He was right to.
Bugger AV, surely someone on the left has found out that he/she too has been phone hacked. Are we going to go a day without one… The Guardian and BBC need you
They will wait for a quiet news day and will then recommence going down the list.
I was rather hoping my phone would be tapped because I am a celebrity
Fat chance – you’re the most irritating person on national radio. An audio train crash. When you first started on the 2pm slot I thought some fucking intern had hijacked the mic. You really think that all those celebs walk out the studio thinking what a great interviewer you are and that when they make that hand gesture to their PA is just them simply winding their automatic watch? Total nonce.
The Anglican church is a pimple on the arse of history and will have ceased to exist in a hundred years.
Hopefully the same will be true of all religions.
I’m quietly confident that the Church will outlast the BBC, the Conservative Party, Manchester United and Guido’s blog – just as it ourlasted Communism, Fascism, logical positivism and George Bernard Shaw.
The church and its Archibish has a lot in common with a broadsheet newspaper and its Editor, the only significant difference being the use of altarboys instead of rentboys to drain the strain from management. Both organs will shortly (geologically speaking) be confined to the dustbin of history; the church in the next half century, broadsheets in the next half-decade.
Not tweeting this one Guido ?
When the teams were being picked, No2AV got the BNP, Yes2AV got the Bishops
who’s the ref?
Under AV I don’t Jesus would actually have got in as leader. Suspect only Judas would have had the nous to be able to form a coalition. Mmmm… [hand strokes chin]
I don’t THINK all the keys on my keyboard work anymore…
Judas had the money. He could bribe the voters.
Oh no, Guido’s pissed himself again.
I cannot think of a better reason for voting for No To AV than having a bunch of God-botherers telling me how to vote.
Thats their double bluff.
Dont you think they already how you will react to whichever side they take
Messes with the mind dont it
The church has been around a lot longer than the Liberals
… but a liberal church has yet to exist.
I vote for the Pope, but if my first vote doesn’t count, my second vote goes to Allah.
Jesus would give his spare cross to Nigel Farage.
What would Jesus do?
He’d end up getting himself nailed to a piece of wood.
If Jesus saves, he’s on more than me.
It’s easy, dude. I take £10 to the bank, pay it in and the next month’s statement shows a £50,000 deposit.
… and me
Who put you up to this Guido Tory PPC Charlotte Vere who runs the No to AV site – by any chance….YAWN. Or as she is actually known Charlotte DeVille’ or ‘Cruella Vere’ …LOL
LOL you twat.
Stop hiding Guido
I wonder Guido – the director of the No To AV site is Matthew Elliott. Is that the same Matthew Elliott who runs the that other Tory website “The Tax Payers Alliance”…by any chance.
Hiding behind anonymous sites ….. YAWN
Funny how the TPA site has gone down the toilet since the election !!!!!
He’d tell them to keep their noses out. (“Render unto Ceaser…”)
And he’d be right. Leave politics to politicians. The Queen’s got the right idea.
Why would the rules adopted by the Papal Conclaves have any relevance to the Church of England?
This afternoon i will be a door handle.
This handle is not for turning!
Anti religion from Guido……An Irish Catholic…….LOL
catholics might not see eye to eye with protestants.
Is that an idea that has passed you by?
Most of my friends are nominally protestants. Those with any religion at all, that is.
hmmmm … but you know? Did you ask? You aren’t from central scotland are you?
Would they support a coalition of faiths between Christians, Jews and Muslims? services held in Churchmosqueagogs.
Is that the new name for Mecca bingo halls?
“The loony left and the Church do not often go hand in hand”.
Oh Guido, you sweet innocent.
Clearly you know little of the Church of England.
To be serious for a moment….
Yes it is vile that Bishops think it is their role to lecture us on election systems – both sides of this debate should hold them in utter contempt.
Church of England – looney Left….lost the plot now Guido
The CoE is a bastion of Tory middle England !!!!!!
and why on earth does Guido call those of use who want to get rid of our broken electoral system “the loony left”? Maybe he’s just trolling for ad revenue…
The Church “AV will increase the likelihood that the general preference of a majority”
The general preference of the average bloke is to have a nice thin wife or girlfriend but this does not happen in practice
My wife would prefer to have a nice thin husband, but that doesn’t seem to be happening at the moment
This afternoon I will STFU.
Shaft That Fucker Uddin?
Yeah, right. As if.
The Archdruid, having lost the Biblical Christians to the Roman Catholic Church he probably thinks that AV = AUTHORIZED VERSION of the Bible. As for “What would Jesus do?” He would simply say render unto Caesar that which is Caesar’s and unto God that which is God’s. God Himself dislikes both democracy (see the Book of Kings esp the change from Judges to Saul) and He hates socialism (see Tower of Babel; end of). He also dislikes representative democracy (see Sodom and Gomorrah) and I suspect He is less than enamoured with the C of E.
agree with you on C of E. turned into a social club with Old buildings.
Judas replacement was chosen by lots (Acts 1). Would be a lot simpler and would cost a great deal less.
The Church of England backs the Lib Dems? Bugger me!
With these two groups you could get your wish
AV means getting someone into power that no one voted for in the first place. Labour have a leader that the party never wanted. AV like religion is nonsense.
Ah fook it install Sharia Law and we don’t need to vote. We can all be socialist mooslims together.
I like the way you think.
Oh dear, Guido, you’d better notmention anything to do with religion again. The eyes start to swivel, foam flecks the lips, veins begin to throb, the fingers quiver over the keyboard and….aaarrrgghh! It’s Green Pen Man!
I’d noticed that, too. Remarkable how some of those who preach tolerance become spectacularly intolerant at the mention of anything ecclesiastical.
Still, this is a political blog, and sex does seem to crop up quite frequently on it, so Guido might as well go for the full house, as it were. Bet his dinner parties are a riot, though….
ooolaaalaaa darlinks
I am here tp pleeese, who’s first or do you want a vote on it first?
Don’t forget to say grace first.
“AV will increase the likelihood that the general preference of a majority rather than a plurality will shape the choice of MPs, and so Parliament.”
And that reflects Christ’s teachings how, exactly?
Under AV Jesus may have escaped crucifixion – where would the bishops be then?
“Might have”, not “may have”. We know that He didn’t escape it.
Jesus saves Labour spends
Render unto Jesus that which is Caesar’s
Render unto Gordon everything !
Render Gordon – we need the tallow.
I don’t know where I stand (on the issue)
does anyybody know why the protests in Jordan are not being highlighted on the British media?
it appears that there are similar protests going on following those in Egypt. People are getting sick of their governments all over the world and who can blame them?
maybe time for something similar here, never mind AV chosen by parliamentarians as the only option.
democracy – WHAT DEMOCRACY
The main soap opera for world TV consumption is Egypt. The other dictators around the region are expected to take their cue and surrender before their countries are taken to pieces when the internet kill-switch is thrown, and the mobs arrive at their door.
Not talking about your home country election Guido. Ireland don’t they have full PR in elections, eh Guido
Last Election
Fianna Fail ( Right Wing Necons ) – 41.5%
Fine Gael (Irish Nationalists ) – 27.3%
Labour ( Left of Centre ) – 10.1%
Sinn Fein ( Ultra Nationalists ) – 7%
Polls today suggest
Fianna Fail ( Right Wing Conservative Necons ) – 15% – Oh dear
Fine Gael ( Irish Nationalists ) – 32% – Oh deary me.
Labour ( Left of Centre ) – 24% – Interesting
Sinn Fein ( Ultra Nationalists ) – 14% – Very Interesting
We could be looking at an Irish Labour PM, within a Sinn Fein coalition. Oh such larks Guido, you would have to give up your Irish passport in protest…LOL
Blueshirts will emigrate to Spain, the home of traditional Catholic democracy. El Guido Falangista with them.
Boys Boys Boys!
‘We used to think that you could spend your way out of a recession and increase employment by cutting taxes and boosting government spending. I tell you in all candour that that option no longer exists, and in so far as it ever did exist, it only worked on each occasion since the war by injecting a bigger dose of inflation into the economy, followed by a higher level of unemployment as the next step’.
Labour Party Annual Conference Report 1976, page 188.
Speech at the Labour Party Conference, 28 September 1976. This part of Jim Callaghan’s speech was written by his son-in-law, future BBC Economics correspondent Peter Jay.
Wrong, Wrong, Wrong, Wrong, Wrong, Wrong, Wrong.
Its was page 189.
You should really forward that to the office of David Cameron. This is just the quote he should throw back at Reddie Eddie live on TV the next time the issue is raised in PMQs.
Well, that and the one about Labour creating the equivalent of a Black Wednesday every day for a year, which someone else posted here a couple of weeks ago.
Today I will be Winnie The Pooh.
Pooh yes, win never.
Granted that bishops have seats in Parliament without having to win an election, this is a bit naughty of the old boys. Come back with your opinions, your lordships, once your firm starts employing women bishops.
We are nearly there, do you like my new Frock and Mitre.
What would Jesus do ? Reveal the winner of the Caption comp ?
With all the nagging he might do some Old Testament wrath, 7 Plagues Of Egypt etc…….
http://blogs.wsj.com/iainmartin/2011/02/01/uk-manufacturing-soars-ed-balls-mysteriously-silent-so-far/
Anybody seen anything of edballs today? Manufacturing output is up and there are strong signs of market growth You’d think, as shadow chancellor he’d want to say something about that.
Most of the world’s troubles are caused by religion, which is why it has no part in politics.
Most of the world’s troubles are caused IN THE NAME OF religion – which is not quite the same thing.
For every religious fundamentalist (of any religion) there are thousands of quiet, law-abiding believers. They don’t deserve to be blamed for most of the world’s troubles.
Not sure how Bartley qualifies as a ‘fundamentalist’. He supports homosexuals in the church and favours liberal theology.
Bartley isn’t a fundamentalist; and normally he would be trashing the bishops for presuming to intervene. This time, he appears to like what they say …
No most of the worlds troubles are caused by Politics.
Most of the UK’s current troubles were caused by me. Heeeheeeeeeheeeeheee.
Let’s put all retired folk in jail and the criminals in a nursing home. This way the seniors would have access to showers, hobbies and walks.
They would receive unlimited free prescriptions, dental and medical treatment, wheel chairs etc and they’d receive money instead of paying it out.
They would have constant video monitoring, so they could be helped instantly, if they fell, or needed assistance.
Bedding would be washed twice a week, and all clothing would be ironed and returned to them. A guard would check on them every 20 minutes and bring their meals and snacks to their cell.
They would have family visits in a suite built for that purpose.
They would have access to a library, weight room, spiritual counselling, pool and education.
Simple clothing, shoes, slippers, PJ’s and legal aid would be free, on request.
Private, secure rooms for all, with an exercise outdoor yard, with gardens.
Each senior could have a PC, TV/ radio and daily phone calls.
There would be a board of directors to hear complaints, and the guards would have a code of conduct that would be strictly adhered to.
The “criminals” would get cold food, be left all alone and unsupervised.
Lights off at 8pm, and showers once a week.
Live in a tiny room and pay £900.00 per month and have no hope of ever getting out.
Justice for all we say.
Brilliant !
Spot on. Don’t forget the crims would probably be allowed to die of thirst too!
Disgrace! Criminals are the most vulnerable members of society!
That is the best posting I’ve seen for some time.
Yes yes, but this has been doing the internet spam rounds for at least a year. Do try to keep up.
Damming, bloody, damming, but oh so true.
Wonderful post.
Send it to the Guardian. I’m sure they would publish it.
But they wouldn’t have a vote if they were in prison.
Keep religion OUT of politics. Politics is bad enough without a load of nutcases; who believe in a non-existant supreme being and who can be blamed for all sorts of conflict and genocides across the globe for centuries; getting their two pennorth in as well. let one mad Cof E bish in and you have to let a raving mad mullah in. fuck them all. Disestablish the Cof E now.
I had the same idea and look what happened.
You might as well expect politics to be kept out of religion.
As an aside, religion has taken a far smaller part in British politics over the last few decades. Has politics improved in that time?
What world have you been watching? Politics is crippled by religion, unfortunately they’re the ones Britain has successfully controlled or proscribed until after we lost the second world war.
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Who would jesus bomb? Yeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeehaw!
hey guess what?
http://tiny.cc/1l8at
Jordanian King sacks government
What chance this happening here?
when the king is still in a position to sack the government( England AD 1640) you know there’s trouble ahead.
Loads.
We want AV because the Lib Dems want it. They are all daisies like us!!
I think you mean Marxists.
Socialism is the only way to bring prosperity to the nation.
Jesus was very clear on the subject. “My Kingdom is not of this world”. The way in which we govern ourselves on Earth is of little import to Him. “Render unto Caesar what is Caesar’s” The way we live our lives is of more import. “Render unto God what is God’s”
He also told the Apostles to choose from amongst themselves his successor as leader of His Church on Earth. This was a simple FPTP system, only Caesar got an AV(E) in those days. However, I wouldn’t expect a Church led (In the loosest term) by a Druid to be too advanced in Casuistry.
Turning em all into pillars of salt seems a good idea,something thats useful.
labour will do that, think of all the postal votes
The vast majority of people who describe themselves as C of E are in fact atheists, but they quite rationally keep the C of E afterlife policy just in case they are wrong. After all, the C of E makes few demands of you in this life, compared to some other religions.
Bishop bashing as usual I see.
There must be a very good reason somewhere to explain why only bishops slither diagonally on a chess board.
ad hominem doesn’t mean much to you, does it Guido?