January 19th, 2011

Burnham’s Fags n’ Booze Blunder

Andy Burnham seems to have let the cat of the bag about the reality of the Education Maintenance Allowance that looks set to be scrapped in the Commons today. On the BBC last night Reeta Chakrabarti put it to him that:

“…there is anecdotal evidence that sometimes EMA money isn’t just spent on books and transport but on clothes, nights out and even gym membership.”

In reply the Shadow Education Secretary let slip:

“Yes, they may spend some of it on food and even the occasional time out with friends…”

He went on to ask why some people should be able to have fun while others can’t. Perhaps Andy might like to explain why he thinks the government should be spending £500 million on taxpayer funded nights out on the town? Would he rather half a billion was cut from the schools’ budget to keep funding it?


256 Comments

  1. 1
    bbitgu says:

    The truth is out , so cutting it shouyld cut down on binge drinking ?

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    • 4
      bbitgu says:

      Guido , Any chance of a edit button so we can correct our own posts ?

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      • 34
        Here's what a real scandal story looks like says:

        Andrew Lansley bankrolled by private healthcare provider

        Andrew Lansley, the shadow health secretary, is being bankrolled by the head of one of the biggest private health providers to the NHS, The Daily Telegraph can disclose.

        John Nash, the chairman of Care UK, gave £21,000 to fund Andrew Lansley’s personal office in November.

        Mr Nash, a private equity tycoon, also manages several other businesses providing services to the NHS and stands to be one of the biggest beneficiaries of Conservative policies to increase the use of private health providers.

        http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/mps-expenses/6989408/Andrew-Lansley-bankrolled-by-private-healthcare-provider.html

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        • 199
          Number 10's Cat says:

          Posted by a socialist who is still in denial!
          FFS get a life

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          • Cynical Old Man says:

            It shows the mindset of Labour politics – money talks. Because many Labour politicians become corrupt in local politics where taking backhanders is second nature, they think by offering cash to various groups of the population they bring them “onside”.

            If they used money from Labour Party coffers for their bribery it wouldn’t be so bad (it would still be immoral, maybe criminal IMHO) but they’ve always used TAXPAYERS money for their corruption. OUR SODDING MONEY!!!!

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        • 250

          And and a goodly proportion of the PLP is bankrolled by trade unions.

          Don’t start getting all partisan when you’re whining about MPs being “bought” by the special interest brigade.

          Or we’ll have to start publicising the monstrosity that is the Trade Union Modernisation Fund – a corrupt scheme to rip off the taxpayer if ever there was one.

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      • 71
        Number 10's Cat says:

        Billy!
        Your smelling pistakes are one of the highlights of this blog!

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    • 6
      Aaron says:

      It was EMA that funded my nights out as an A-Level student.

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      • 37
        Care UK says:

        and we funded Andrew Lansley with £21,000 to get our grubby deals with him

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        • 225
          Cynical Old Man says:

          All this innuendo about donations to Andrew Lansley. Some of the Labour trolls seem to forget about Paul Drayson, whilst the proprietor of a pharmaceutical company called Powderject Ltd. donated money to Labour and was rewarded with fat NHS contracts, a life peerage AND ministerial posts (initially in the Health Service) in the last Labour government. No conflict of interests there , then.

          Then there are the Labour ministers who managed to find well paid jobs with firms they had dealings with in government. Mutual backscratching perhaps?

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      • 113
        sockpuppet #4 says:

        I did have a job that paid for my beer.

        However, for all the important and expensive things in life, I was entirely parasitic on my parents.

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        • 136
          Art College Reprobate says:

          Back in the 1960s when I went to art college I had a grant that paid for my train fare. No money, picked up the ticket from the station first day of the term.

          The rest, gardening, paper rounds etc.

          Odd how we could afford it then, but not now?

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          • South of the M4 says:

            Because then we did not have cars, mobile phones, laptops nor cared about designer clothes – and we spent all our spare time in the library trying to make sense of the last lecture.

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          • Anonymous says:

            My son’s mates used to call it Extra Money for Alcohol.

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    • 12
      A Rocket scientist. says:

      It’s not rocket science to realise that giving a yoof 30 quid a week, no questions asked is going to result in the yoof buying fags and booze is it?

      If they really wanted to help the yoof stay on at school then they would give the yoof a bus pass, satchel and pencil case.

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      • 40
        Grumpy Old Man says:

        Or possibly a desk-top, iphone and a fire extinguisher

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        • 105
          Calamity Clegg says:

          Did I promise not to scrap the E.M.A. ? ? ?
          I just can’t keep track of all the lies any more.

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          • clean-hands huhne says:

            Luckily I’ve never voted against tuition fees!

            Vote Huhne for lib dem leader 2012.

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          • annnnonyperson says:

            99, look at it this way.

            There’s a firm that has been doing really badly. The board of directors and the chairman are sacked and a new board is to be elected. One of the directors says: “There will be no cuts in the company.”

            But when the new board is elected and the new chairman is sworn in, they find that the situation with the books is 100x worse than the previous board had said. In fact the former accounts director left a note saying: “There is no money.”

            So, what are the new directors meant to do? Continue spending money that the company doesn’t have? Or to go back on their promise of no cuts in the company?

            The problem with Mr Clegg was that, in all fairness, he never, ever expected to be in government. Now he is in government, it’s a totally different game to what he was used to, always being in oposition.

            Mr Clegg is doing well, considering how things turned out for him.

            A deal with Labour would have destroyed the LibDems more thoroughly than a deal with the Tories.

            As my late grandmother (life long Labour member from the early days of the party) would say: “The problem with Labour politicians is that they think they know best. You can convince a good Tory politician by force of arguement to change a bad policy. But you cannot convince a bad Labour Politician to change a bad policy, because they know it all.”

            Change the minds of Harman, Brown, Balls’, Milibands? I do not think that Clegg woulde have stood a chance of effecting any changes, there. Because they do know it all.

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          • Labour Tell the Biggest Porkies. says:

            Iraq possesses Weapons of Mass Destruction that can reach our shores within 45 minutes.
            Now that’s what I call a lie.
            The sort of lie that cost thousands of lives and billions of pounds.

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          • Annonnyperson

            What you say is true, but the fact remains Clegg did make those promises. The question is how did he behave when he was offered that undreamt for chance to get into office? Why he dropped every principled promise he made except two. The one that promises to keep Britain slavishly licking the eu’s butt, and the one whose sole intention was to change the voting system and ensure his party remains in permanent coalition with someone, anyone.

            Obviously thoughts of gravy train sinecures and a life of perpetual ease at the taxpayers’ expense never entered the slimy bastard’s head.

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        • 198
          Cap'n bob says:

          I would link the Wa WA It won’t let me buy aniphone story if I could find it

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      • 139
        Willsteed says:

        No, you’d demonstrate why getting an education is preferable to the alternative of a life ‘doing nicely’ on benefits.

        They only need to incentivise getting an education because the alternative remains so attractive. Rather than address the cause of that, they throw our money at the symptom instead.

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    • 24
      bergen says:

      Perhaps they could cut out the middle-men entirely and pay it directly to the shareholders of the breweries and fag companies.

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    • 45
      Mike Hunt says:

      One thing that is not being discussed is what people used to do to fund 6th form and college.
      We went out and got part-time jobs – Saturday work, holiday work and the like. These have all gone the jobs having been taken by Poles, Romanians etc.

      Yet another floater in the swimming pool left by the last government.

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    • 88
      Up sh1t creek says:

      Students get the EMA to keep them off the unemployment list, that is ALL New Labour designed it for, nothing to do with education.

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      • 185
        Fubar Saunders says:

        Exactly. Its just a bribe to keep the spotty fuckers at school and off the dole lists until they are 18 at which point their votes have been bought. Simples.

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        • 217
          Tell it like it really is says:

          My personal experience – three years ago out of 30 “students” over half turned up to be recorded as present and then immediately left and attended no lessons whatever. They openly said the only reason for turning up was to ensure getting EMA.

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    • 122
      What's the problem? says:

      FFS what changes at 16? The parents still get child benefit until their sprogs are 18 and the poor sprogs still get free school meals and uniforms.

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      • 147
        getting used to this now says:

        and in London they get free travel on buses and trams.

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      • 161
        Willsteed says:

        Just last year Labour were trying to get the voting age lowered to 16. What a coincidence.

        Classic Labour policy of redistribution from Burnham, poor youths should be able to go for nights out as much as wealthier ones, accomplished via showering them with ‘free’ taxpayers money.

        ‘No you can’t, because you can’t afford it’ does not enter the Labour lexicon.

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        • 193
          anonymouse says:

          It’s called buying votes which was the reason for Broon’s welfare reforms. I pay you and you vote for me.

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    • 161
      Up sh1t creek says:

      Before the election David Cameron made NO promises on the EMA, you can tell that from the clip below…. but that’s not how the BBC likes to think it, the reporter saying that Cameron “suggested” EMA’s were safe, I did not hear him say that in this clip.

      Which school do BBC reporters go to to learn to imply things from non-Labour politicians speeches?

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      • 168
        South of the M4 says:

        BBC policy. Report Labour speeches as they are, often. Report the Labour interpretation of Tory speeches, even more often.

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  2. 2
    Fenrir says:

    Scrap it, now.

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  3. 3
    Burnhan painted dwarf & gnome Co. Ltd. says:

    Burnham is just typical socialist mentalist: a Reality Denialist — structural deficit be damned. Nowt out of ordinary.

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  4. 4
    Steve Miliband says:

    The Unite led Labour opposition is just trying to wean it’s future core voters onto the teet of the state. Scrap it.

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  5. 7
    Mike Litorus says:

    Has anyone actually met him? He looks like some fucking Thunderbird puppet, is Labour using imaginary characters in the media so that we can’t identify them?

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    • 118
      Ungern Sternberg says:

      I have met Burnham.
      He’s comfortable reeling off tractor stats and rehearsed party rhetoric but is a fish out of water when it comes to holding a normal conversation with anyone outwith the political bubble. Awkward and stuttering. Like when Brown met that “bigoted woman”.

      He’s one of the growing ranks of high profile MPs who have never lived or worked in the real world, yet constantly lecture the rest of us on the plight of the poor downtrodden workers and oppressed minorities. It’s sickening, really.

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      • 173
        Willsteed says:

        As Gordon Brown would riposte…

        ‘I I I I … c c c c can, can I, can I just say, can I just say… ‘

        Thunderburnhams are go eh?

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      • 184
        In The Know says:

        they are only doing their job. Their task is to protect the establishment from the harsh realities of life in this planet and to make sure they never have to pay for their exploitative behaviour. This means that they are constantly in the dilemma of knowing who they are talking to. They cannot talk to their real constituents, the voters, for fear that their masters, the establishment, will have them suitably removed.

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      • 201
        Elton Ben says:

        Tractor production is down. Mandy could not get a Maserati when he was at the EU. Tory cuts tory cuts Mrs Thatch

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  6. 8
    Another Engineer says:

    Scrapped, Guido, scrapped.

    Though Labour are scraping the barrel on this one.

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  7. 9
    missH says:

    Isn’t that just what university students do? I can say that from my time of being at college taking my A-levels, that money proved invaluable to me, not just for equipment and resources but also providing me with money to buy lunch. That £30 is a lifeline to young people whose parents can’t afford to subsidise their children through college, as with the job situation I struggled to find an alternative source of income. Scrapping it only means the poorer people will miss out on further education.

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    • 13
      bbitgu says:

      Get a job then ? Most collage/uni towns have jobs suited for students , Why should someone else always have to pay ?

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    • 19
      Self Help says:

      A Lifeline? Don’t talk so bloody wet. You don’t have to eat lunch to live. There are millions of children around the world who would give up lunch to have a free education.

      Sop fucking whinging and realise just how fortunate you are. A 30p loaf of bread and a jar of jam will provide you with a week’s worth of lunchtime sarnies. Start looking after yourself rather than rellying on the state.

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      • 152
        J Sainsbury says:

        My apologies sir, we must have missed one, tell us who is selling a 30 p loaf and we’ll run them out of business so that you can come to our stores instead.

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        • 176
          Simple says:

          Go into Tescos or sainsburys after 6 O’clock and you can pick up a loaf for 10p or just buy their value lines for around 30p.. Simple

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      • 158
        The big D says:

        A good point. Two problems, sandwiches are not “cool” and bread is upwards of £1 today and rising.

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    • 42
      Steve Miliband says:

      What would you have had for lunch if you weren’t at school?

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    • 44
      Harriet Harperson says:

      So, Miss H.

      You wouldn’t mind me putting my hand in your pocket, and you giving me £30 a week?

      Lifeline? LIFELINE? If you were at home your parents would have to feed you – what’ sthe difference when you are away “studying”?

      GET YOUR HANDS OUT OF OTHER PEOPLES POCKETS!

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      • 81
        Eeu to me says:

        If somebody gave you money legally, taxfree,no questions asked,I am sure your going to refuse to take it,even in the knowledge it’s from the taxpayer,if your a taxpayer then you will be quite happy as you paid in and you want some out,not greed just nature besides these kids will live now and will be paying a real wodge later,isn’t that how PFI and the never never works.

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      • 126
        Paddy Bankers says:

        No.

        We’ll have another multi-billion bailout from you mug UK taxpayers soon enough.

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        • 156
          Redwood says:

          PFI has screwed these young people for years to come, the EMA hardly compensates for the horrific interest bills that these people will face thanks to McBroon. Then you have the boomers retiring on their inflation-proofed state pension, the contributions which they made towards this have been wasted by Brown and Balls. It is those which can’t leave the sinking ship HMS UK that will suffer, paying for their parents to live for 30 years at the expense of the state.

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      • 167
        the real harperson says:

        Don’t take your state pension, NHS healthcare and protection from our armed services and the police then. All funded on the never-never for young people to pay off. Stop taking out of their pockets before they’ve even started before you complain about them. They shouldn’t need the EMA but it is small compensation for the debt that the current generation have left our youth with, being serviced all of the way through your cushy retirement.

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        • 252
          Harriet Harperson says:

          Don’t be a twat. If you’re the real Harperson, you should address these points to yourself.

          Ye Gods….

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    • 51
      TOO FAR says:

      Get real MISS, I worked in a shop on Saturdays, loved it! to earn some cash when in my last year in school.
      Giving a 17 year old “free” cash (no questions) just puts him/her on the benifits band wagon …

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      • 82
        Spank Sinatra says:

        + 1 – My ankle biter got a job on the market on Saturdays selling cakes, biscuits etc and when that fizzled out she swept up hair at a local salon. Most of her mates got EMA but she didn’t as we were too ‘wealthy’. What is wrong with an early introduction to the concept of work for young people? At sixteen I wanted a motor-bike and asked my dad if I could have one. he said “Son, you can have anything you want in life. You just have to earn the money to pay for it”. Which I did.

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      • 154
        getting used to this now says:

        these student jobs in tescos or waitressing help make a employable CV when you graduate- showing you can turn up on time, work in a team etc etc.

        Which is why my dyslexic Eng hons graduate daughter had 3 job offers when she left uni…….

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        • 218
          Lady Virginia Droit de Seigneur says:

          Yep – when I was at university I used to do seasonal night shifts in a factory during the big holiday. Made me some money for the rest of the year. EMA is a joke – it is mostly going on booze

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    • 131
      Where are Tony Blair's Expenses says:

      Make sandwiches for lunch for about a tenth of the price, drink water instead of a fancy enrgy drink everyday.What did we all do before the EMA, we went without, we walked, we got saturday jobs etc etc. Students today start their lifes on the dependency of the state. All the students interviewed on the BBC and Sky this morning really looked poor and downtroden as they waved their Unite placards

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    • 145
      Ungern Sternberg says:

      This situation wouldn’t have arisen if labour hadn’t set their ridiculous Stalinist equal opportunities target of sending half of all kids to university.

      It’s simple – if you don’t get the grades at school, don’t go to university. There’s no shame in that because we’re not all production line soviet clones.

      I went to university about 11 years ago, when Blair’s grand plan got into full swing. It was full of lost looking people who would have been more suited to building sites, offices and apprenticeships but had been coralled into doing media studies and human resources degrees.

      So instead of going out and earning, they saddled themselves with £20k debt each so they could then compete with 100 other people with the same identi-kit degree as them for jobs they had absolutely no practical preparation for.

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    bbitgu says:

    Its fucked up when you have to birbe kids to stay in education , if they want it , Work hard , Get a job flipping burgers , not everything you want is a entitlement that the state should pay for .

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    • 163
      hateful youth says:

      don’t take your state pension then you sodding layabout, work til you’re 80 like we’ll have to then retire if you want, your pension will be paid for by these kids already in lots of debt. The way that the state and boomers combination has strung up those younger than them is an outrage. You get a job flipping burgers and stop expecting your kids of work hard to pay for you to bitch about them. Yeah they get a lot from the state but not as much as the elderly with their protected NHS and pensions, neither probably in existence when the current crop get to retirement age.

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  9. 11

    He also said that entertainment and the odd night out (summat to that effect) were part of college life, so he thinks he has a point. Labour should have been more direct as to what the EMA should be spent on, but telling teenagers that the money they’re being given should only be used for things such as travel was always going to fall on deaf ears.

    Had i been given taxpayers money as a youth in college, i would have p*ssed the lot up a wall very quickly indeed.

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    • 26
      Steve Miliband says:

      Thought you had to be 18 to buy alcohol?
      If they aren’t at school/college they still have to eat lunch, so do we have to pay for that?

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      • 75
        expat twats says:

        Do you even live here? or are you just another tourist wanker spouting shite about the politics of a country you don’t even live in? Of course it’s fucking 18.

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      • 214
        Anonymous says:

        They get fake ID’s or pay older kids to buy booze for them.

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  10. 13
    Elltell says:

    So another complete distortion and barefaced lying – booze and flags blunder…..bollocks

    As usual the cosseted few scared to death someone else may actually get to enjoy life – when they should actually just concentrate on serving their betters

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  11. 15
    Jon Cravens says:

    Let’s just ope those wretches at the Met are finally gonna get their fucking act together & start cracking some worthless, barely literate, drug addled, cretinous, hate filled, fucking lefty cu’nt skulls today.

    Wot is it with our shit police? Those arseholes loves threatening and beating innocent members of the law abiding public, but faced with a few dumb cu’nts in balaclavas they act like a bunch of homos.

    Cmon lads, payback time today, I wanna see those fucking batons swinging

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  12. 16
    Zeno says:

    Hang on a mo. My family were dirt poor and yet I somehow managed to get an education & went to university without the EMA. Has the country got that much poorer in the past 40 years that we have to pay kids to stay at school?

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    • 18
      Claire Solomon's anus says:

      Fucking fascist

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    • 21
      Greed says:

      No the country has not got poorer. Just more greedier.

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    • 38
      JuliaM says:

      If we want to keep them off the unemployment figures, yes!

      Of course, as the ‘Mail’ points out today, two thirds of available jobs are taken by foreigners that we have no choice but to let in, thanks to the EU…

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    • 54
      asinoven says:

      So, if you went to university 40 years ago, you had no fees to pay and a full maintenance grant, right? Maybe that was worth staying on at school for?

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      • 85
        Mike Hunt says:

        But you also were part of an elite, did a sensible degree that was hard and was actually worth something.

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      • 116
        Engineer says:

        40 years ago, about 12% of school-leavers got the chance of a University education. Now it’s about 43%.

        There’s a choice to be made. Either the country fully funds a smaller University sector, or it part-funds a much larger establishment. Can’t have it both ways, especially now the country has run out of money (cf Liam Byrne).

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      • 125
        Joss Ayinglike says:

        Forty years ago, a mere 7% of school leavers went to University. It’s a totally different World now. T.B£iar set a ridiculous target of 50% of school leavers going to Uni….

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        • 129
          Joss Ayinglike says:

          In the initial postwar period, only seven per cent of 19-year-olds went to university. At the start of the 1960s, just four per cent of school-leavers went to university. After an influential report by Lord Robbins recommended an increase in numbers, the figure rose to about 14 per cent during the 1970s.

          http://bit.ly/foMaM1

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        • 135
          Mike Hunt says:

          To study what?

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          • Anonymous says:

            My partner was the youngest of six and the first of his working class family to go to university. He had several part time jobs and wasn’t given anything from his parents apart from a sense of fairness and hard work rather than laziness and entitlement.

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        • 232
          True Lefty says:

          I can beat Blair. 99% should go to “uni”. To deny anyone that chance is a shameful wickedtory act. How can we compete with the huddled masses of India and China unless we all have degrees in surfing?
          As for actually paying for this, er…er…

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    • 169
      the real harperson says:

      you got a grant I take it, Nick.

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  13. 17
    Archer Karcher says:

    Burnham displays the ‘thinking’ capabilities that got us £4.8 trillion in debt. Socialism is a mental disorder.

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  14. 20
    REALITY CHECK says:

    a) Recipients of the EMA do spend spend it on booze and fags.

    b) Part-time jobs for teenagers/students have become much harder to find over the last two years.

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    • 27
      bbitgu says:

      Blame the smoking ban then , How many pubs have closed due to the ban ? When i went to collage students either worked in pubs of take aways ( got free food as well) .

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    • 32
      never hopeful says:

      this is a part of the all out, frontal attack on the population of this country by the establishment. With the aid of a fascist government and private police force they are creating a society where the poorer will kill each other whilst they rob the spoils. Classic case of authoritarianism

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    • 43
      Ron E. says:

      they spend it on the book stereotypes for morons

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  15. 23
    The Right Honourable Gordon Brown MP says:

    If you buy my epic book I will give you a personal reading of the first three chapters like what JK O’Rowlings does

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  16. 29
    JuliaM says:

    “Perhaps Andy might like to explain why he thinks the government should be spending £500m on taxpayer funded nights out on the town?”

    Well, stating the obvious here, aren’t we taxpayers paying for nights out on the town, good food and wine and access to sporting events for these troughing MPs?

    No wonder he doesn’t see anything wrong with it!

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    • 142
      Engineer says:

      One political buzzword that seems (thankfully) to have diminished in usage is ‘stakeholder’. It seems to me that there is one poor, downtrodden ‘stakeholder’ in society who’s voice is seldom heard – the taxpayer.

      This much-abused creature drags itself from its bed early in the morning, and sallies forth to spend the bulk of the day grafting away at all manner of demanding, stressful occupations, sometimes for rather meagre reward. From the said meagre reward is snatched a large chunk by Her Majesty’s Licensed Grabbers. Out of the remainder, the much-abused creature must pay all its bills, and save for its old age. Meanwhile, the aforementioned large chunk is used to pay the interest on a National Debt that the taxpayer didn’t vote for, a lifestyle for benefit claimants that the taxpayer can’t afford for itself, and now nights out for teenagers not willing or able to earn their own pittance.

      Nobody ever seems to ask the taxpayer what it’s opinion is. When the taxpayer grumbles politely, the political class tells it patronisingly that it’s all far too complicated for them to understand, and spending lots of other people’s money is the right thing to do.

      The taxpayer is right royally pissed off with all this – well, this one is, anyway.

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    Money money money says:

    It is the socialist mentality that thinks the more money you throw at a problem the less the problem becomes. They do not realise that in most cases the money disapears down a black hole and the problem they are trying to solve becomes worse. Is the European Union socialist

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  18. 35
    Aaron D Highside says:

    Burnham, Woolas, Alexander, Bradshaw, Harman, Straw…is there a factory somewhere producing these mediocrities?

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  19. 39
    John Farrar says:

    This money is a lifeline to many young people in poor areas , might not be perfect but another shameful act by a government out of touch with so many people in society.

    Children of the same age from better off families have a healthy allowance a car as soon as they are 17 , this policy was a small step in evening up opportunity. Get into the real world.

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    • 47
      bbitgu says:

      If they cant afford to have kids then dont , Why should the state have to bribed kids to better themaelves ? they have already had 16 years “Free” education ?

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    • 52
      Harriet Harperson says:

      Get your hands out of my pockets!

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    • 84
      South of the M4 says:

      Problem is that “..Children of the same age from better off families have a healthy allowance a car as soon as they are 17 ” were also receiving it. A good scheme yes, if properly targeted. Will the coalition, as they say, replace it with a scheme that really does help those that need it? If it does then there can be no complaints. If they do have such plans, then they are idiots not to have detailed them. If they have none, then your conclusion would be correct.

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    • 91
      Sir Everard Digby says:

      A lifeline to what exactly? We all know what the EMA was intended for but what does it get spent on? Answer – no-one knows. I could argue it keeps the unemployment stats down on the cheap. That would be ‘shameful’

      How does giving kids money ‘even up opportunity’ ? If that is true, how did the disadvantaged among us from generations who did not benefit from the EMA ever manage to get anywhere in life?

      If anything this sad piece of socialism actually removes aspiration from people and encourages welfare dependency-that really is ‘shameful’

      I think you will find that this move is very much ‘in touch’ with a lot of people.

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    • 98
      capt apollo says:

      john, you should be asking yourself why we have a generation (and more) who no longer regard education as a way of getting out of poverty. try working in some developing countries where the school is a 5 mile walk away a day and consists of a shack and a teacher yet parents and children do anything they can to ensure attendance because EDUCATION is the key. But no in 21st century UK poor kids aspirations are to make it big on X factor and stuff school, its for losers unless i get my 30 quid a week innit?

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      • 151
        Archer Karcher says:

        Thirteen years of the fairness doctrine in action.
        There can be no winners, no losers, no successes that are meaningful and no failures that are indefensible.
        The young have been brainwashed into mindless adoration for the state and the entitlement culture, has encouraged them into believing parasitic behaviour is the norm and socially acceptable.

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    • 140

      Patronising tw@at.

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    • 155
      Engineer says:

      Is it not also true that the previous government, in forcing young people to remain in education until 18, removed the right of those whose talents are not academic to leave the classroom at 16 and seek to make a living? Is this removal of the right to earn their own living not authoritarian and dictatorial? Was it not conceived, rather cynically, as an attempt to conceal the true scale of unemployment by reducing the number of NEETs? Is not EMA just a bribe, using taxpayers’ money, to conceal this deceit, and to make it a little less unpalatable to those denied the opportunity to seek work?

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      • 183
        sockpuppet #4 says:

        I’d not noticed that one … perhaps like 10p tax rate debacle, people will only notice when it actually comes into force.

        Does anyone actually get a full time job at 16 any more?

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          Engineer says:

          There are still some traditional apprenticeships around, though they’ll now take on at 18 instead of 16. Some are flexible enough to accept at either starting age.

          It’s probably true that there are far fewer labouring and similar jobs that require no qualifications, but some employers feel that they can do a better job of inculcating work ethic and decent values than compulsory education 16-18 can do.

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    • 231
      Cynical Old Man says:

      John, you want to get out in the real world more often. I spent thirty years working on council sink estates and, in recent years in areas run by housing associations. That’s where your so called poor and downtrodden tend to live.

      Spending all that time amongst them, you tend to see the realities of life. These so called poor people had more disposable income than I could ever dream of having in full employment. Not enough money for food? Rubbish! All day and night on these estates there were processions of vans delivering takeaways, which seemed to me to be their staple diet. What amused me were the trips to the low cost supermarkets such as Aldi or Netto using taxis or private hire cabs.

      I never entered a dwelling that didn’t have 42 inch flat screen televisions, all the kids having computers and X Boxes, wearing designer labels. Many ofthe freeloading parents showed no interest in their kids’ education. In fact, I remember one lad who had brought a book home from school being ridiculed by his dad for trying to read it.

      Everytime I hear a Labour politician like Burnham spouting about the poor and downtrodden, I fume at their pigging ignorance.

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    • 234
      Honest View says:

      John Farrar, I’m afraid some people are better off than others. It must hurt you to realise this, and here’s some more pain: they’re probably better off because they are more intelligent, or they work harder at more responsible jobs or they don’t rely on others to supply their wordly goods.
      If you are better off, you can afford more things than people who are poorer. Some people are poorer than me, some are wealthier. No state or society has ever ended this.
      Utter rubbish, unadulterated tripe to suggest that these teenagers will starve unless we give them £30. What a waste; a kind of apprentice level benefit scrounger handout.

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  20. 46
    David Camermong says:

    Today i will be making inflation go away.

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  21. 53
    jessica says:

    Mummy it isn’t fair, I will now have to pay for my own Blu Rays for my media studies course now.

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  22. 55
    Arselicker of the Week says:

    “to hear them elevate Mr Coulson to membership of a trio with the other two recent big beasts to hold that role. He is considered, frankly, irreplaceable, even if those around him must know that no one is. His departure, they fear, would be a crushing blow to the work of the government at a critical time.”

    Keep that money rolling in here Andy. Ka-Ching!

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  23. 56
    St Blair of God says:

    We shouldn’t forget that mascara, eyeshadow and other gentlemen’s facial essentials cost an absolute fortune. We cannot expect the young to be focused on academic matters if they haven’t got the right slap.

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  24. 58
    bbitgu says:

    Anyway , Fuck this , What about the main news of the day , Matt Prior selected as wicket keeper for Englands world cup squad ?

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  25. 59
    Good riddance! says:

    Another fucking taxpayer funded bribe that does no fucking good and that we couldn’t afford. Fucking pocket money for teenagers! Was there no one that wasn’t being put on some sort of benefit under Liebour?

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  26. 60
    will says:

    guido its 30 quid a week for skint 17 year olds. really you are a miser.

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    • 74

      It is the principle of paying dole to students – it is a terribly corrosive idea – it gives young people entirely the wrong mind-set. They shouldn’t get the idea that taxpayers will subsidise their wants, they should begin as young adults to stand on their own two feet.

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      • 78
        Paddy Bankers and Biffo the Clown says:

        Unlike when UK taxpayers bailed out the Irish basket case economy to the tune of £7bn. The Irish weren’t subsidised and were standing on their own two feet.

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    • 106
      Archer Karcher says:

      Get your hands out of my wallet. If students want pocket money, then they should do what everyone else has to do, earn it.

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    • 203
      Grumpy Old Man says:

      Tell you what, Will. donate £30.00p.w. of your own money – not someone elses- to a needy 17-y-o. near you. I ‘ve got my own son to donate to.

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  27. 61
    Mystick1 says:

    Andy Burnham is just another brainless c**t with a PPE degree. Seems like a necessary qualification for Westminster pillocks.

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  28. 69
    Nick Clegg says:

    Today i will be speaking to my Alarm Clock.

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  29. 70
    genghiz the kahn says:

    Am wondering if Al Beeb is commissioning a hatchet job on Grammar School Education, fits in with The Unite Party’s equality agenda.

    “Testimony Films is making a BBC4 two parter on the history of the grammar school in Britain and we are keen to hear from readers who went to a grammar school or taught in them.

    -We are looking for memories between the late 1920’s and the 1970’s.

    -We’re especially interested in any stories of scholarship boys and girls from humble backgrounds who really benefitted from a grammar school education.

    -We’re interested in stories of inspirational teachers who may have helped shape the lives of the children they taught.

    -We’d also like to hear from those who for whatever reason feel they didn’t enjoy or benefit from their grammar school education.

    If you have a story to tell of your grammar school days please contact: TESTIMONY FILMS, 12 GREAT GEORGE STREET , BRISTOL , BS1 5RH .

    So if anyone wants to hinder the Hoons….

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  30. 72
    asinoven says:

    None of you over 40s spent your university maintenance grants on booze and fags then? No, thought not.

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    • 79
      cynic says:

      Certainly not. I was too busy studying and trying to support my family due to the economic ravages of the Labour Governments of the 70′s

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    • 97
      South of the M4 says:

      When I was at University I had a choice of feeding the gas meter, or buying a tin of baked beans when the money from my part-time bar job ran out. (I bought the beans and farted under the covers for heating btw).

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      • 207
        British Gas says:

        smelly heating … now, there’s an idea ….

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      • 221
        Anonymous says:

        When at Uni I can remember having to weigh a potato, swede and carrot to make soup as I only had a few pence in my pocket for food.I had shitty part time and holiday jobs from the age of 13 in order to earn a few quid.
        Kids today think they’re deprived if they haven’t got the latest iPod or CoD game.

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        • 227
          Tell it like it really is says:

          Right this is for the moaning “it’s not fair” students:-

          8 yrs old – picked potatoes then carrots with nettles growing among them (no gloves)
          9 – as above
          10/11 – the gofer in a guest house,slept on the pile of spare mattesses in the bathroom
          12 – as above

          13/14/15 – waitress weekends and all holidays. full day in greengrocers when cafe closed.

          I walked 1.5 miles down a farm road to get the bus to the latter jobs.
          You have no idea what being poor is, it wasn’t that long ago either.

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          • Yorkie Dingdong says:

            You ‘ad a farm road to walk down!! Never ‘ad it so good. In my day we ‘ad to follow the furrows ‘n’ ‘edgerows…etc…

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          • Bessie says:

            bet that wasn’t havin’ just come off nightshift from coal mine down ‘t road

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    • 255
      Ed Bollocks says:

      No tossflap, I worked my way up from poverty with 0 support from the bloody state – and have started ran and sold on three businesses. I did it so could anyone!

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  31. 92
    Tory Dan says:

    When I was at school which was only four years ago, it was a grammar school in a very well off area and most of the people on EMA were either children who’s parents were divorced or running their own companies so they could use clever accounting to claim for it!

    I had a job working Saturdays and in the holidays so did a lot of others, the claim that they will not have time to study is crap. I had tonnes of spare time to revise, many others did as well its probably no surprise that the people I knew who got EMA went to the lower ranked universities as often these were the ones who were always out at the weekend on the lash.

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  32. 93
    Fat Ken and his Jazz Mags says:

    Can I sell these young ‘uns some cheap cigs ?

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    • 112
      Socialists = Sociopaths says:

      Liebour would have to give you targets and a 1,000 page Health & Safety manual before you could step out of the building.

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      • 120
        Fat Ken is soft on crime and soft on the causes of crime says:

        To lock up knife crime yobs like I don’t ?

        Give those cheeky young blade happy scamps community service and some cheap cigs. That’s what I recommend.

        Remember…. Prison doesn’t work!

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  33. 108
    Furious says:

    When I was at sixth form I worked on a milk round to earn money. I’m sure I wouldn’t have bothered if someone muppet was going to give me “free” money. As for lashes wtf was he thinking or is he even capable of thought.

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  34. 111
    bbitgu says:

    Anyway , They have enough time to smash up parts of London , So why not get a fuckin part time job ?

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  35. 117
    Moley says:

    On a lighter note;

    http://awkwardedmilibandmoments.tumblr.com/page/1

    The Ed Miliband story in pictures.

    (Thanks to Crash Bang Wallace)

    My favourite is Ed appearing to vomit while Harriet Harman whispers in his ear.

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  36. 121
    Jack in the Green says:

    Just another Labour scam to bribe people with benefits and keep the real unemployment figures hidden.

    How much MORE money is spent keeping people in education with no measurable return by way of useful qualifications? How much tax revenue is lost by keeping them out of the employment market? How much higher is our immigration as a result.

    These kids parents get child allowance don’t forget – and the MEA is given to ALL children who’s parents earn less than £31,000 a year – way above the average earnings level.

    It is a grotesque waste of money.

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    • 123
      Jack in the Green says:

      ………..oh, I forgot, I received a type of EMA when I was in the final 2 years at school.

      It was called earning money stacking shelves every Saturday and working in my school holidays.

      But we can’t expect todays precious little creatures to do that now can we.

      After all, with their educational achievements being far lower than in the 70′s they need all the study time they can get…..as well as Blackberries, laptops, iPods/iPhones, trainers and alchohol.

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      • 237
        Yorkie Dingdong says:

        Yet again… Were there no teachers over the past 40 years who could explain the difference twixt who’s and whose?

        [whose]

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    missh says:

    Its alright saying “get a job” when there aren’t any. Saying that poorer people shouldn’t go into further education if their parents can’t afford it is such a middle-class Tory attitude. And I do have a job. I pay my own way through university thank you very much. My point was that around the time I was at college, getting a job was hard because there were none out there. Why shouldn’t I be entitled to an education? Fucking snobs.

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    • 137
      bbitgu says:

      Two thirds of jobs under labour went to immigrants , Your beef should be with them.

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      • 160
        Engineer says:

        A lot of them went to immigrants because the home-grown ‘talent’ wouldn’t do them, or were slower and less hard-working than said immigrants.

        Most businesses are run on tight budgets. They’ll pay for a good job done well, but they can’t afford to carry lazy, stroppy passengers.

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        • 211
          In The Know says:

          I actually think that statement to be somewhat fatuous. Most business are not run particularly well, have extremely poor customer services and and don’t care about development – this is the UK we’re talking about not some fantasy island

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          • Engineer says:

            They still can’t afford to carry passengers.

            Working for a badly-run business is a useful life experience. It taught me never to work for cowboys.

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    • 141
      sockpuppet #4 says:

      What level of poverty should be the cut off point for this then?

      Theres only really a small part of the population who would really need the extra £30 for absolute essentials. But there you go. Thinking back I do remember someone who didn’t stay on at 6th form, because they wanted to have their own money for clothes/lifestyle choices. But they did do A levels at night. (admittedly a somewhat exceptional person who’s got a damn good job now).

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      • 212
        In The Know says:

        Theres only really a small part of the population who would really need the extra £30 for absolute essentials – evidence?

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        • 241
          Engineer says:

          Child Benefit is payable for children in full-time education to age 18, I believe. That is rather more than EMA.

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      • 246
        iidkes says:

        I did A-Levels in evening classes and went on to get a good degree. However, this was in 1992-4. There are no longer any evening A-Levels offered and adults over 19 are strongly discouraged from further education of any sort if they already have Level 2 qualifications.

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    • 143
      Joss Ayinglike says:

      Part of the reason that there are no part-time jobs out there for students is because the wonderful Liebour government deliberately allowed a huge influx of foreign workers into the Country.

      http://bit.ly/czoPNr

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      • 144
        Mad, Bad & Dangerous Gordon McRuin says:

        British jobs for British workers !!!!

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      • 164
        Archer Karcher says:

        Something these whining socialist students heartily endorsed and applauded at the time too, cos it’s waysist to put your countrymen first, right? The Germans have a word for it………

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    • 149
      Where are Tony Blair's Expenses says:

      If there are no jobs how do all the Poles, Russians, Latvians etc get them. They do them because our own people are just too bone idle to do them.

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      • 213
        In The Know says:

        not exactly true that one – more hearsay and anecdotal – please provide substantive evidence

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    • 153
      TOO FAR says:

      missh.
      There has in the last decade been a “Im entitled to something for nothing” attitude especialy from the so called “left”.

      There has to be an attitude change, you have to earn your crust of bread, your nice car,
      Yes, there has to be help for the people who cannot help themselves.
      The UK is skint it cannot keep free loaders in the lifestyle they would like. Yes get your education, then put something back.

      YOU REALY MUST GET IN THE REAL WORLD work hard, reap the benifits* once you earn “honest” money (*not the free ones)

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    • 245
      For F's SAKE!!! says:

      You are entitled to an education – and I pay for it. Would be nice to gat a thank you rather than insults.

      One thing missing in the EMA debate so far – Booze and fags yes, but no mention of the essential ‘phone top ups. These are critical to the formualtion of a profound understanding of ‘A’ level geography. Personally I think that we should be able to run to a box of pencils and some exercise books for each ‘student’ (or school child as they used to be known) to the tune of £2.50 each. That and a library pass is all that is needed

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  39. 132
    Wayne says:

    Yes, blud. I iz well in support of da edjookayshone maintenants allowyance and ting. It be well gud.

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  40. 133
    Gordon Brown says:

    I’ll make a statement to the House at 3pm today.

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  41. 137
    Anonymouse says:

    EMA is a joke!

    It only works off household income and doesn’t consider assets. So I received full EMA despite being at public school, yay divorced parents and trust fund!

    For the record I also held down a part time job, cocain’s expensive man.

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  42. 172
    david1 says:

    EMA’s whats the fuss? Dave ‘aint gonna get rid of ‘em, he said so.

    http://www.labourlist.org/what-a-difference-a-year-makes

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  43. 177
    Labourunionsbbc we are one says:

    An underlying problem with further education is its move towards a socialisation of study/learning. Collectivisation runs right through the system from research grants to teaching modules. The underlying narrative of this is a socialist paradigm that informs and influences the student who then carries this ethos into the work place and beyond.
    Very hard to undo this mind set once it is in place; as Isaiah Berlin once said: Habit is the basis of belief. (Or words to that effect)

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  44. 178
    Desperate Dan says:

    The EMA also acts as seed money for those who want to join the drug selling community.

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    • 228
      Tell it like it really is says:

      Remember those dear naughty enriching “students” featured on the bbc coverage of the student japes – some did call it a riot- saying they just would be forced to deal drugs is we didn’t keep giving them free money?

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  45. 180
    it doesn't have to be taxing says:

    As taxpayers we obviously give these fuckers too much money.

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  46. 181
    Dolly the Sheep says:

    Andy Burnham has suspiciously bovice eye lashes

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  47. 186
    Burnham's biggest fan says:

    Funny it’s Burnham to break this.
    2 years ago, I sent a rant in Burnham’s general direction (he’s my MP – unfortunately) regarding the the joke that is EMA and the problems it was creating in the classroom.

    As a student at the time I was well aware of what EMA was spent on, possibly 1% useful bits, 99% junk. Though, their maybe a 0.9% margin of error in their.

    The response I received essentially told me (in much kinder words) to get lost, this was about looking after poor people and ensuring they went on to study after school. Equality, etc. I probably still have the response somewhere…

    I see times have changed, haven’t they Mr Burnham? Maybe it’s Mr Burnhams new found freedom being able to speak his mind while the party is essentially leaderless.

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    • 238
      Yorkie Dingdong says:

      You are dead right they’re pal. They’re may indeed be a bit of an error in they’re. Wonder what it might be ? (Don’t go they’re though)

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      • 239
        Kered Ybretsae says:

        They’re you are, they’re must be a lot of students out they’re who are scraping
        they’re pennies together. Oh! Dearie poor old FUTURE!!!

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      • 244
        Tell it like it really is says:

        Yorkie dingdong – kindly shut it – oh, you can’t, you’ve both feet in your non yorkie mouth.

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        • 253
          yorkie dingdong says:

          If I told you how it really is I doubt you would even begin to understand. Stupid git that you are. Now piss off and get your homework done.

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  48. 188
    Anonymous says:

    My son gets £30
    £20 for bus fare rest for books and bits of stationary
    The family allowance -£20- pays his lunch

    So yes we need it

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    • 194
      TOO FAR says:

      How did you manage before?
      Money for nothing!!!!!… “DON’T YOU GET IT?” The UK can’t afford it!!!!
      FFS whats wrong with these people

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    • 220
      getting used to this now says:

      Blimey thats……..£16/month on books & stationary. Don’t you have a library and a £1 shop? How do people on £32K and slightly above the EMA threshold manage to pay that to their teens?

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      • 222
        getting used to this now says:

        or £40. Hang on. £40 a month. For books and Stationary!!
        bl**dy state edukation.

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  49. 189
    Penfold says:

    In reply the Shadow Education Secretary let slip:

    “Yes, they may spend some of it on food and even the occasional time out with friends…”

    So why are we paying these cnuts living costs and expenses at Westminster?, exactly the same waste of taxpayer monies.

    EMA is squandered. It’s supposed to pay for travel, try an FOI with the TOC’s and find out how many students are done weekly for travelling with no valid ticket in the GLC area, thousands.

    Burnham is talking out of his arse; Red Ed’s labour is thoroughly disconnected from reality, they don’t have to live in (real)it(y) and cannot understand (real)it(y).
    Gawd help us if that shower ever get into power again.

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  50. 202
    HenryV says:

    Another thing EMA funds is mobile phones; iPhones and Android smart phones for all.

    Cutting EMA may hurt the profits of Vodafone et all. :)

    In my experience EMA is a near universal benefit. It is wasted on many as it more state funded pocket money. While the small percentage of kids who need real help still have to struggle along. Shame.

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  51. 242
    Kered Ybretsae says:

    Is this Eating Money Andy or Easy Money Andy…or perhaps Expenses Money Andy???

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  52. 249
    John says:

    Perhaps Andy might like to explain why he thinks the government should be spending £500 million on taxpayer funded nights out on the town? Would he rather half a billion was cut from the schools’ budget to keep funding it?

    You know you it’s against diversity and equality to ask Labour politicians searching questions like that.

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  53. 256
    Chris says:

    I have never understood why EMA was paid in the first place, but if it is surely the government cant dictate what it is spent on it is given to young people they will spend it on whatever they want to.

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