Promising stuff from the No2AV campaign as their website goes live today, plenty more to come too apparently:
The Yes camp were quick to start whining of “dirty tricks” over the use of the colour purple, which is apparently theirs. Guido wasn’t aware colours were copyrighted, and if they are then it’s UKIP who should be moaning. If that is going to be the level of attack, then the referendum is going to be even more boring than Guido imagined…
Osborne Gets His Soundbite | Nick Robinson
Moonbat V Chomsky | Charles Crawford
Beecroft is “S**t” | LibDem MP
News of the World Trailed Watson’s Mistaken Mistress | Indy
Shabana Mahmood MP Saves Brum Market | ITV News
Plan a Velvet Divorce for the €uro | Gideon Rachman
Truth About Romney’s Bain “Vampire Capitalism” | Wall Street Journal
Clegg’s Revenge | Nick Wood
Cleaning Out Stables | Biased BBC
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Norman Tebbit has a humble brag:
“We Maastricht rebels were derided and abused for opposing the single currency by the wise, clever, Guardianista soft centre left establishment from whom we now hear so little on the matter.”
Mr Bryant and Mr Watson managing to make the whole hacking affair look like a farce – the more they moan the less I care about the whole subject! So partisan it beggars belief at all costs. They cannot rise above it ! If I was to call the PM a ‘liar’ I would want to be VERY sure.
some people actually believe that AV is half way to PR
Which alphabet is that?
It’s the alphabet of reality not fuckwit nonce socialism.
isn’t Clegg in favour of that anyway?
I’m sure normal liberals would want out of the EU. not sure what SDP types want
In the LimpDim mind, everyone really wants to vote LimpDim but never thinks it’ll win. With AV, thinks the LimpDim, everyone will cast their LD ‘protest’ vote then vote for the party they think will will – Lab or Con.
The LimpDim’s will therefore hoover-up the protest vote and – ta-da! – come first.
Except they won’t; it’ll be UKIP or the B&P.
Sounds good to me.
“Except they won’t; it’ll be UKIP or the B&P.”
At least then we could get the one referendum that an increasing majority of the people of this country consistently demand year after year.
Gudio seeking to monetise the site! Good luck to you but why can’t we use spaces and caps for the ID???
O/T I know but I couldn’t help but relish Goveys new wheeze, the English Bac. Ha ha evidence of how liebor let the educational standards in this country drop. Schools with 90+% passes in liebor’s measure of 5 A*-C GCSEs come down to only 33% under Goveys English Bac measure.
I wouldn’t have an english Bac
I took too many science subjects and two languages.
Under labour one language GCSE became compulsory, and then it wasn’t.
This thing appears would pretty much make one language and one humanity subject compulsory.
Look out!!!! Here comes plod Mad Nads.
while we’re at it, how about a referendum on whether police not investigating rapes for ‘cultural reasons’ should be charged with collusion
It’s not collusion; it’s self preservation.Gotta think about the risk to my job & pension.
And life.
Are you suggesting these communities are, perhaps, inclined towards violence?
Well, well, well, jgm2. I think you need arresting on the charge of casting aspersions on our valued members of the multicultural community.
(that is, so long as you’re white, sir; we don’t want to cause a fuss if you’re not.)
We would like to see your expenses Mizzz Dorries.
Ranking now RETIRED Lancashire police officer on northwest news yesterday saying Straw was absolutely right and if police had investigated instead of saying “daren’t touch it” a large number of very young girls would have been spared the abuse. How many more are going to put their heads above the parapet.
So why didn’t Straw do anything about it when he was Home fucking Secretary, especially as many of the accusations involved his very own constituency?
He is as much part of the collusion as the police.
The political classes have known about these attacks for decades – they are not a new occurrence – and have quite deliberately taken the conscience decision to ignore them for ideological reasons.
No. Straw was wrong to put the blame on those communities and their culture. That is deliberatley tarring them all with the same brush.
The problem is that the police haven’t done enough about stopping it because of fear of upsetting those communities. The law is the law, equality is about applying it equally, no matter who is involved.
Postal vote fraud has also been getting the blind-eye treatment because of fear of upsetting certain minority groups or labelling them negatively.
It is the PC culture that Labour hypocrites like Straw and the left have done so much to spread, that needs reversing.
Dave gave us a cast iron guarantee of a referendum, it was just not the referendum we wanted.
And if you vote incorrectly, I’ll wait 6 months and ask you again.
He just doesn’t learn – just because you promise a referendum doesn’t mean you have to have on at all
Aiding and abetting would be more the ticket.
So Guido – whats your reason for supporting #No2AV ?
Fuck off Tat.
The only person who could claim to ‘own’ purple is Prince, Minnesota’s favourite midget.
Did Left Foot Forward have a whinge too…..?
Didn’t he pinch it from the famed ‘purple people eaters’ the Minnisota Vikings?
Minnesota* ( On phone )
“The only person who could claim to ‘own’ purple is Prince, Minnesota’s favourite midget.”
What about “Deep”… or does that count as people, being a group?
Patch and Prose also have a claim
Fuck Off, you british slave
Morning Nick.
Re: purple – not dirty tricks, just cheeky. They know they have an easier battle than the yes2av lot, so they’ve stolen some of their branding to make them stand out less.
If anything, I find it funny no2av have resorted to this sort of tactic. Speaks volumes about how weak even they think their argument is.
But it’s not PURPLE! It’s 100% MAGENTA a completely different colour.
Just to make conversation I once asked a visitor to London, a dinner guest at a friend’s flat, what sort of car she had hired for her stay.
“A beige one,” she replied.
fuck me you’re a real lady-killer
did you ask her about her tax accounts too?
There is a disappointingly irrational statement in the top right corner of the ‘NO to AV’ site. “The Lib Dems would always be part of a coalition government.”
They wouldn’t if either (a) a political party was sufficiently convincing that more than half of those who voted gave it their support; or (b) few people voted LibDem. To put it another way, the campaigners assume that people would vote the same way under AV as they do under the present wonky system.
There is a fear amongst opponents of AV that the composition of the Government might reflect the wishes of the electorate. It is not the case that the country spent 18 years being capitalist and then 13 years being socialist but a psephological accident allowed politicians to pretend that this was the case. Our present system might have made sense when people really voted for their local MP, say, in the nineteenth century, rather than for the party ‘brand’, but that is the last thing the party bosses would like to happen now.
But AV is potentially even less representative. To take atwo examples. At the first Blair/Labour victory, post-election polls showed Lib Dems splitting 2:1 in Labour’s favour. If this had applied in an AV election, the Tories would have lost about 1/3 of the seats they held. Conversely, at the previous election (won by Major/Conservatives) Lib Dems split 2:1 the other way. This would have given the major Government a convincing majority. – and perhaps all of major’s problems would have been avoided. That is the real objection to AV from those who, like myself, favour electoral reform, but will vote No to AV.
Yes, but why would those results have been bad or unrepresentative? I agree that PR would be much fairer but it’s not on offer. However, I still think that it is wrong to assume that people would essentially vote the same under AV. It would actually discourage tactical voting, since we could vote for the party we really liked best, knowing that our alternative vote could go to the other party we disliked least.
It seems to me, Sir William, that several incompatible issues are becoming intertwined here.
To take your 5:02 pm comment, the presumption that people would not vote the same way under AV as they do under FPTP could be challenged on account of the long ingrained existing practice. Sure some would vote tactically but they may correspond very closely to those people who decide election outcomes for most of the time now; the floating voter.
The thought that they might not behave the same way is an attractive one but cannot, necessarily, be the case.
Mr Austin’s point is interesting because what he is really saying is what we are finding out now. The Lib Dems today are a party of lefties and righties with the former being in the majority. They will surely react to AV with a different degree of enthusiasm from those who support the two main parties. If I am correct, then most of the electorate at large will vote against the change anyway.
Then you come back (6:36 pm) and question the results using the terms “bad” and “unrepresentative”. The former is subjective (in terms of different factions of the electorate) whilst the latter gets us nowhere, in that any of these systems is going to have some degree of “representation”, the degree of which is arguable to kingdom come.
Now, I would suggest that the more that the electorate change their traditional behaviour, the wilder the swing we are likely to get. Until it actually happens, we really have no idea how much the behaviour would change and that unknowable degree of change is, for me, at the root of this issue. No polling will anticipate that, in my opinion.
I would suggest that the wilder the swing, the increasing encouragement to make “unkeepable promises” will occur to elicit such swing, as that is all there is to play for. My fear is that the leverage will make the system unsustainable. Therefore I can see a deterioration by going this route, whilst acknowledging that the present system has considerable faults. On the other hand, the less wild the swing, the less the case for change becomes.
Hang on. Are you saying that Lib Dem voters can’t make their minds up consistently in one direction, from election to election? Good grief. It’s a fairly direct logical conclusion to say that anyone wanting to vote Lib Dem as a first preference should not be allowed to vote at all, on the grounds of (a) muddying the waters; (b) wasting taxpayers’ money to no effect; and (c) taking the piss.
“Tittle-tattle, gossip, rumour and something else”
No kidding? I’m off to climb Golden Cap (626 ft.) You lot are so stuck in your ways.
1968? You’re fired for being too old.
- One person one vote – first preference only!
- Vote for person not party – no party lists!
are any tories going to be voting lib tomorrow? i would
If I lived oop north I’d be torn between Lib Dem and UKIP. What an irony!
“one person one vote” – Oh dear, thats not going to go down very well in the labour heartlands is it !
Postal votes are different. As are Union votes.
And Co-Op votes
That’s certainly not the way Labour does things – I myself had 4 votes in the leadership election.
Yeth, and none of them went to me. You thtupid bitch.
Mister ‘Arry C*le is a failed right-wing political blogger.
Failed as in “has more readers daily than 99.9% of British bloggers”
Tractor stats never impressed me.
+1
Nice one, E. I’m outta here.
RPps x.
In what sense ‘failed’ then?
Come on, put your money where your vagina is.
Or don’t blind me with the facts, I have made my mind up.
I’m a designer and that colour is NOT purple, it’s magenta. All this copywriting is getting ridiculous, Facebook has filed a claim on the word ‘face’ — they can fuck off.
Victoria Beckham tried to copywrite ‘posh’. When she was told that Peterborough United had been called ‘The Posh’ for fuck knows how long, she argued by saying she was more famous….
You certainly can’t copyright ‘magenta’. It’s a place near Milan where there was a battle in 1859 and the ground was stained that colour by all the spilt blood.
i’m colour blind and that looks green to me – the fucking racists
I’m with you pal. Let’s start a Quango and get some lefty arty tosser to front it and rake in the tax-payer dosh!
From “Cast Iron” Dave Cameron
David Cameron has stressed that no cash bonuses over £2,000 should be paid to any employee of a bank which has a significant taxpayer shareholding.
In an interview on the BBC Politics Show, David said, “People who work hard are seeing billions of pounds of their tax money being paid out and are rightly angry about it.”
And he attacked Gordon Brown for failing to put conditions in place to limit the bonuses paid by those banks that have taken taxpayers’ money – RBS, Lloyds, B&B and Northern Rock.
“Unfortunately the only action the Government has taken is to announce a review into bonuses which will not report until the end of the year. Because of this dithering we could see bonuses being paid out for a second year to executives in taxpayer owned banks which is unacceptable.”
Putting the limit at £2,000 would mean bank tellers are not unfairly punished
‘There’s no money left’.
Does that include Bob Diamond, and his £8m bonus as well, then?
Barclay’s didn’t take taxpayers’ money. What they do with their profits is between them and the shareholders.
Whilst I agree with you, I am reminded that Bob was only saved from overbidding for ABM AMRO (a tragic mess) by the improbable good fortune of a know-nothing competitor in the market place, erroneously thinking he had even more cash, and rejoicing under the name of Fred.
Had that not been the case, I might contingently have been looking down the barrel of losing half my capital.
If you want to look for chicanery in the crash look at
i) the ropey deal Gordon Brown cooked up with Victor Blanc for Lloyds to take over HBOS. That really stunk and if I was a Lloyds shareholder I would be seriously pissed off.
ii) the off balance sheet vehicle Northern Rock was running – I have never seen the operation of that particular vehicle explained properly and it had a serious effect on NR’s viability.
iii) just what the fuck Fred the Shred and his board were doing overpaying for ABN then handing Fortis and Santander (IIRC) prize Latin American and European banking assets.
Further afield I would look at Central Europe and Spain for further banking grief – the scale of the housing bubble in Spain and the fact that there has been little public fallout in their financial system means that something is clearly going on there behind the scenes. Banks in places like Greece and Austria poured money into Eastern Europe – loans which now must be worth far less than face. Watch for further crap floating to the surface.
Barclays should tell Diamond to pull his head in though – he should have been polite and avoided inflammatory comments Barclay’s though did handle the crisis better than any other large UK bank except for HSBC
Quite agree. I have posted extensively on the cases you mention. Northern Rock was not a proper Bank and could never have operated when I was in the business. I left it all behind because they turned the whole game on its head. I said it would all end in tears. I was told that I was old fashioned. That is probably true, but old fashioned was right. It just took a few years to prove it.
I did very well in my time but when I look at what some of these kids earn now, on a negligible knowledge base, I must have given my services away for free by comparison. I would never go back now, even for Bob’s pay.
I’ve done ok out of it too but it does extract a certain personal price. Having said that I’ve seen a lot of the world so it’s not all bad.
The other thing that really struck me out of the crisis is the disconnect between people writing mortgage business and those taking the risk. You get some US broker writing the mortgage who passes it on to the lending bank who then securitises it and passes it on to investors. At this very basic level you get two degrees of separation between writing the business and risk. There is little incentive in the short to medium term for the broker to exercise decent credit control.
When you add government interference (through encouraging lending to non-creditworthy borrowers) and increasingly complex securitisations with different loan type and quality being mixed in a single security not to mention repackaging of tranches of existing securitisations I find it impossible to see how an investor (or a rating agency for that matter) can possibly understand the risk.
Golden rule for any investor is don’t invest in something where you don’t understand the risk. Since many big institutions were burnt by this you have to question the quality of the selling process, rating and risk evaluation. Personally I don’t see how senior risk management people at a lot of banks survived this but quite a few did.
You are spot on about the disconnection aspect.
It has long been my opinion that all the deeply knowledgeable people had left the industry by the millennium. What you had left were some, admittedly able, people (at least in some aspects), but who’s experience had only matured after the fall of communism. This point in history presaged one of the longest uninterrupted periods in growth that we have seen, certainly in living memory. So these people now in senior positions had never experienced a proper recession.
I used to develop financial products that incorporated insurance add-ins but always eschewed “financial guarantee”. The lender needs to see the bad debt to control the new business properly. Once you remove this essential feedback, you destroy the business. And how it was destroyed!
My pet theory, philosophically, is built around the increasing trouble we face due to the demise of the polymath. The growth of knowledge and its concomitant, specialisation, has rendered the role impossible to fulfil any more.
But we suffer from the lack of overview that stems from such a situation. This means that we shall face many more crises like we have, due to mass ignorance. This applies to the “educated” just as much as to the “stupid”.
Purple is colour of the aristocracy: blue dyes were expensive, purple dyes even more expensive, so only people like Alexandersthe Great or Roman Emperora would wear the colour.
brown is the colour of the present coalition government, as it was the colour of the previous one too
They mixed green and a hint of red and somehow got pink out of it.
Also the Romans decided that if the slaves were dressed in one colour and the ruling class all in say red or purple then the slaves would realise just how much they outnumbered the ruling class and there would be insurrection – well there was eventually anyway – just sayin’.
It may look pretty, but the content is all stuff that has been debunked over and over.
The fact the same bogus arguments are used against AV/for FPTP over and over, rather suggests to me that there are no GENUINE arguments for keeping FPTP in stead of switching to AV.
Both are one person one vote, every ones vote is counted the same number of times as everyone elses…
FPFP = One vote per person in total
AV = One vote per person per round
We know FPTP means a period of Labour followed by a period of Conservative (repeat till EU take everything over) – and in either case ‘conservative’ and ‘labour’ means whatever the current party leader decides it means when he/she waskes up that morning…
FPTP means candidates(/MPs) are primarily in hoc to their party. AV means candidates(/MPs) will primarily be in hoc to their constituents.
AV wins hands down…
With my first vote I chose “No to AV” and after the first round of votes have been counted my second vote goes to “Yes to AV”
Surely if Labour is anti-AV and T*ries are anti-AV then AV must be a ‘good thing’.
“Old Bill” to be put in the dock ????
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Move along please, nothing happening here, we know where you live Gabble.
I think I’m right in saying that labour used AV to elect it’s last leader. Nobody but the unions wanted edmilitwit but the party got him anyway.
It doesn’t seem from that, that AV will produce a fair result.
Which is why Ed is so in favour of AV, but most of the rest of the Parliamentary labour party are opposed.
Look 197% of politicians are for AV
and only 238% are against
so i’m with the minority
You really are getting the hang on these number things aren’t you.
Could never understand why they numbered the houses alternate
just meant twice as much walking with my full sack
Note the crucial word “cash” in connection with bonuses.
That was supposed to a reply to #17
how about ethnically english people get 2 votes. everybody else gets 1
The flaw in that plan is you’d have to find someone to buy it.
FIRST !
BRILLIANT !
NOTE 2 SOCIALIST WORKER: I THINK LABOURS LEEDERSHIP IS 2 INTELECTUAL.
REPLACE WITH SUMTHING MORE MALEABLE. ED BALLS 4 INSTUNCE.
Purple is just the colour of blue and red (and yellow) mixed and is meant to portray cross-party support – which both sides claim.
In Scouse-land, the bins are purple to avoid the arguments between Kopite’s and Bluenoses.
And, no doubt, to mask the bloodstains resulting from the arguments.
Whoops, modded. I said,
‘And, no doubt, to mask the bloodst*ins resulting from the arguments.’
Had forgotten about P**l (‘Blood’) St**nes being a bit sensitive about that.
Get lost.
**peep**
**plunk**
**schizzle**
You may be an imposter, but you are so much funnier than the original ModBot.
when England secedes from the Union, do we have to take Liverpool with us or can we leave it with Ireland where it belongs?
Why don’t you do it and give us all peace .
They can have Manchester too.
No 2 AV and Yes to UKIP.
1 job 1 vote
or 1 private sector job, 1 vote
Bingo!
If you work in the private sector and therefore provide the money that governments spend, you get 1,000 votes. If you live off money that the government spends (ie you’re an utterly pointless civil servant and you and your family frankly don’t deserve to live), you get 0.1 votes.
2 AV or 2 AV not
UKIP, while they steal and do bugger all, is just a con party to suck in voters who do not have the balls to vote for the only British party.
Hi Gilded T! You mean if they had voted for the party that were put on trial in 2005 for asking for the abuse of young girls to be investigated and told they were racists because they tried to tell the public what was happening?
Er, yes. That is a reasonable summing up. Thankyou.
UKIP will never win one seat under First Past The Post. The only way they’ll ever get any power is if we get Proportional Representation, and to get that we need to get a Yes to AV result in May. Otherwise Labour and the Tories will say the British people aren’t interested in electoral reform.
it’s about time we packed in all this blogging and DID something!!
Famous MP saying – “he who blogs all day not a problem”
whan are we going to invade westminster and sort the bastards out, once and for all?
lets set up a committee and look at the options
I really hope the No2AV camp win. I appreciate it is not a wholly democratic option but we are likely to get the party of the majority into power. The AV option means we will probably end up with second preferences that no one wanted in the first place.
I raise my glass of cheap Lidl champagne to Ed Miliband the Leader of a party that the Labour MP’s never wanted in the first place. Cheers!
I always wanted to be a teacher in a North London school.
The Labour Party won the 2005 UK general election with 35.3% of the popular British vote. The Conservative Party was just a few points behind with 32.3% of the votes, but because of the first past the post voting system, the Labour Party had a significant majority with 356 parliamentary seats (MPs) compared to 198 seats for The Conservative Party.
Has this country ever had a decent long term government?
Anything that makes Politicians think longer than their 5 year term has to be a good thing, and that never happens with party politics.
There are always tax bribes at the 4 year mark – coincidentally just before the election. And always tax raises just after the election so hopefully we’d forget by the time the election comes up.
The current system is bollocks.
the problem is that politics in this country has been used as a political football. we need to get the politics out of politics. can’t the country be run by a quango?
ok then?
I’d love to see a fiscal responsibility act or similar that demands a budget surplus every year, with approval from the electorate every year that it has to be breached, rather than cynical manipulation of budget projections. The OBR is a good – and long overdue – start, but I’d like to see more. A state based on sound finances, reserves for a (very) rainy day and with consequent small government is IMO a strong state.
There’s always people, and that’s why we can’t have nice things.
For the ‘Yes to AV’, they should use “Can things be any worse?” as a tagline.
Can’t we reintroduce the Divine Rights of Kings?
which is?
I’m not sure, but it might end up applying to Charles III.
It doesn’t sound like a good idea.
Good idea, it will end in regicide mind you but I suppose we could put any beheadings on box office.
I’ll do burgers & hot-dogs and stuff, sure someone could get a band together and pop up a beer tent. Swings & roundabouts for the kids – good day out.
I did, but some Hunt bounced me.
Floating Matilda! Floating Matilda ! who’ll come a floating through Brisbane with me ?
As we sat and we watched and we waited till our house went past
who’ll come a floating Matilda with me !
Breaking news : Brisbane to be renamed New Atlantis.
Breaking news: Brisbane to be named New Orleans.
£ 2,000 ? Is that higher or lower than the 2010/11 government deficit ??
Quite a good one, actually.
Although not a fan of the BBC, I’d feel better disposed to it if public service broadcasts, such as BBC Parliament PMQs etc were either downloadable (unDRMed), posted complete on You Tube or available indefinitely on iPlayer.
I’d feel better disposed to a public service broadcaster that didn’t treat public service broadcast content as Corporation (copyrighted) content.
hattyharpic looks at edmilitwit much like she would at a rat in her kitchen.
wot I’m a gonna do?
http://www.andybarefoot.com/politics/cameron.php
Today I will be a toilet brush.
Get down and dirty, man.
“Ploo?”
Piss off, Billy. You really are a twat of the highest order. No offence meant and none taken, I’m sure. TWAT.
You have one more member than TAT !
Infact TAT has a very small member !
I’m in full favour of AV. It ensure that only candidates with 50% plus votes get into to Parliament. Anything less is patronage and anti-democratic! While I’m at it, I applaud David Cameron’s call to get rid of the Labour MP who has pleaded guilty to false accounting. Now can we get rid of Lord’s Black and Archer!!!!
Handycock, Illsley, Chaytor, Macshane, Moran, Wiggin.
What an utterly odious bunch of crooked and/or pervy c unts. Just throw them barenaked into a snake pit and let them fight their way out.
Just throw them bare naked into my pit
and let them fight their way out
macshane – another bloody foreigner poncing off the english
It’s just a question of percentages !
what are they again ?
Allow me !
AV seems to have been agreed on by LibLabCon precisely because it is likely to be rejected by the electorate.
With such an important change to our voting system, I’d far prefer that We The People had the opportunity to select the alternative voting method option(s), and then/subsequently actually vote to change to it.
A quick either/or smacks of a stitch up.
Incidentally, had a look at the no2av website – pretty clear & easy to navigate compared with some that come to mind (Labour’s website for instance).
FPTP is OK. But we need to make voting compulsory. None of this I won’t vote for X because they won’t get in rubbish. None of this X are going to get stuffed so why should vote for Y? Liebour would have there arse kicked in the GE if the whole of the country had voted. We wouldn’t have been saddled with the the LibDums either. And complaining about the cuts by the Great British Public would have been difficult if the majority had actually committed to the party making the cuts. (I think more support the cuts than don’t.) With that tweek to the system a Tory Party on a leave the EU, stop immigration, and bring back the death penalty ticket Liebour would never get in
Sorry, the right to vote shouldn’t be a legal obligation IMO.
If someone opts out of voting, then they choose to accept the consequences of other people voting over them. Or emigrate abroad/to a remote Scottish island & truly live The Good Life.
No. You are wrong. Runs against the grain of the idea of a society.
Does The Good Life mean I would get a clone of 25-y-o Felicity Kendall to play with? If so you may be onto something.
OT
Spot the missing word from the headline and first seven or eight paragraphs….
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-12174117
Good old BBC.
“Independent”?
cu*nt?
Labour?
BINGO!!!
Tomorrow i will be a Klingon !
DEFINITELY agree with ‘None Of The Above’ option – and for it to be legally binding, rather than being viewed as another way of spoiling ones vote.
Well! It appears I made a contribution that was unacceptable. I wonder what it was that upset the computer.
Perhaps it was that I said the liblabconukipgreen bastards are all traitors. I am damned if I remember.
I don’t remember saying, the Divine Right of Kings is to receive the Charles 1 headache cure.
What the hell was it?
Good. Low level political theatre, & Blair is likely to have been practising his delivery in front of a panel of coaches & lawyers since before Christmas, but anything that exposes his hypocrisy further is welcome IMO.
Nobody’s answered the question of whether or not your vote is still counted under AV if you leave 2nd/3rd preferences blank (ie is it physically possible to vote in a way that you give someone your “main” vote, and don’t give the other candidates any vote at all)
What is all this purple nonsense? Time was a man was proud to display red.
Wan’ DVD? Only 99p?
What, the job of economic vandal ?
2 Votes are better than 1
Compulsory voting with FPTP is what we want.
Well only when we get those millions of labour created welfare benefit troughers into work and get rid of welfare benefit for most of them.
Until then, if they’re forced to vote before benefits are withdrawn from them they’ll simply keep voting for labour and the cushy life labour has given them.
In young nell’s school there is a small but significant percentage of children from homes where parents are on welfare. The children are told, quite blatantly, don’t bother with education, you don’t need it. You can have a comfortable life living on benefits. According to them, the people who slave away at education and then get a job are idiots.
This is labour’s legacy!!
Sobered up now nell I see.
Do not talk about alcohol. For the last three months, because of illness, I have not been able to have so much as a glass wine and that includes over xmas and new year.
I have a few choice bottles of wine waiting in my wine rack for a few weeks hence when I shall be able to enjoy.
Not all at once of course!
nell you don’t know what else I would do!
If Liebour was banned straight after the coup they wouldn’t be on the ballot paper.
(I used to youth work in an inner city I do know from personal experience what you are driving at. )
Tired and emotional last night then, or was that your sockpuppet?
Can’t disagree with any of that.
Could well have been Sarah Palin speaking.
What a wonderful idea. I wonder which party all those lazy chavs will vote for…
you may want it
i do not
so fuck off
I don’t know if you’ve noticed but this isn’t the USA you fucking twat. Welcome to dumbed down UK, courtesy of every dumb socialist bitch out there, starting with slapper Sally Bercow.
Hey boy! You listen up good, ya hear? I loves me some Sarah Palin. She a good god fearin’ lady. She done run Alaska real swell. And she gon’ make a real mighty fine preseedent. Yeeeehaaaaw!
He he, the way that tailors dummy Barry O’bummer is performing, he’s gonna lose to the stoopid bitch. Hope you can hold your dinner down then you fucking knob.
Hey boy! You need to learn yourself some manners and be readin the holy bible y’all. Yeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeehaw!
You lost, I won, do one.
You done eatin’ too many fried squirrels and grits, boy! You sho’ do sound like a kiddie, boy! “You lost, I won” done sound like what my 7 year old brother Tommy Lou would done say. And he be retard! Yeeeeeeeeeeeehaw!
So who are you, his six year old brother?
You done be so thick, you done don’t realise that you be makin’ my point fo’ me, boy!
Hey, boy! You done talkin so much trash, you done need to read yourself the bible and learn about the sweet baby jeebus. Praise the lord! Yeeehaw!
“He he he, filthy bitch” and so on.
You sound just as thick as those idiot Brits who keep voting for Labour governments.
I take it that’s sarahpalin’s choice for running mate in the presidential election.
They’re homegrown British fuckwits. Makes you proud doesn’t it?
Hello Freddie. We won, or to be precise we retained, the Ashes!
Now that does make me proud!!!
Yeah, there’s a lot you can do with a little pot of Ashes nell.
says the bitter old pensioner who’ll still be posting shite at 4am in the morning.
At the moment a second vote will see Tories voting UKIP and Socialists voting B&P. So even Stevens If that were to change then the second vote could win
Voting yes to AV so I can UKIP number 1 and Conservative number 2
My votes in the AV referendum will be:
1. No
2. Yes
3. No
That’s how this AV thing works, isn’t it?
You haven’t worked in years Cato, so fuck off and freeload at the night shelter FFS.
Hmmmm…..so what are you gonna do, sell them on ebay?
That, coincidentally, pretty much mirrors Labour’s schizophrenic position on AV throughout 2010.
Just think. This time last year, the scotch mong was still in No10.
Which makes this footage eternally enjoyable.
Made a conscious choice to leave very publicly by the front door, to avoid accusations of sneaking out the back door like every other decent thief would have done.
“expat twat who doesn’t live in this country”
Gordon Brown.
I’m guessing you get lots of stuff shot up your ring.
Wuv winkie. And repeat.
Fuck off Billy you massive cock.
Er…that’s a reply to 186 you fuckwit.
Sort of off-topic, but there is a GREAT new book, “How The West Was Lost” by Dambisa Moyo, which explains succinctly Western economies are going down the pan.
In a nutshell if you over-borrow and under-invest while running a huge deficit on foreign trade, your days are numbered me old china.
Unlike the Chinese – who are far less encumbered with piss-poor managers and have had the foresight and fucking integrity to invest heavily in industrial development and improving infrastructure.
In the second decade of the century, Beijing is now outsmarting the United States and buying up British factories. But by far their most intelligent investment is in their own children: the OECD tests reading, math and science skills of 15 year olds every three years, and across the board Chinese students trounce us.
Our present troughing self-satisfied system needs desperately putting out of its misery. We need a new kind of anarchism, not the new-age-traveller-wanker kind, but a smaller state coupled with radically devolved democracy, and a free market combined with personal responsibility.
That means:
1. Breaking free of the EU,
2. tackling the decline in education,
3. properly rewarding the work ethic.
Or…..
1. Breaking free of the EU
2. Breaking free of the EU
3. Breaking free of the EU
Clever them Chinese.
But,but,but that’s completely contrary to our policies ??
We want to reward fecklessness, we love the EU and we fixed the education system in 1997. Looks like the Chinese have got it wrong.
Bollocks to Ed Balls.
VOMIT
Where’s Gordon?
The North Island is nearer than the South Island…that’s it.
Sarah you were born in 1963, therefore you are NOT a girl.
Fuck off.
Tomorrow I have organised an even more exciting evening. Gordon and I will be watching paint dry !
O/T but just seen the BBC news at 10. Whilst Preston and Robinson might be utter fuckwits spouting Labour rhetoric, Cameron – an ex PR professional – not only lets the BBC broadcast this shit, but also fails to explain the truth. UKIP are not the answer, but I have joined those that believe fuck all will improve under Cameron.
Why don’t you think UKIP are the answer? As far as I can see they are the only party promising something different.
“They” just don’t think matters to a logical conclusion.
I know no-one who believes that any alteration to the voting system will produce a better outcome for the man. or woman, on the Clapham omnibus and I can’t see anybody much bothering to walk to a polling station at the pathetic behest of the slimy EU collaborator Clegg.
I see a competition to hijack this trivial & pathetic referendum, in some way, so as to support a particular and more lively cause.
AV?
Colour Beige or Peuce
Fucking nonces
A new programme on BBC1 earlier
It’s called “rip off Britain” the program
has Three presenters Why ? (must be where they thought up the name)
Jenny Bond
Angela Rippon
Gloria Huniford
three old has beens trying to boost their inflated pensions !
“three old has beens trying to boost their inflated pensions !”
That’s why it’s called rip off britain.
Wuv winkie etc etc.
How about just staying the fuck out of my life?
If you want to vote for some kkunnt then vote but don’t try to make me vote, even if for no-one.
If I want to vote I’ll fucking vote. If I don’t want to vote, you can fuck right off.
if you get no thatifcathion here do twy elthwhere!
i’m jutht dweeming again
Back to normal then..?
He must have sobered up.
I love the smell of victory
Nah.
Log-ins after dark.
He’s been mixing with so many blood-suckers that he’s frit of wampyrs invading the blog.
Oh dear Nadine !!
Police investigate expenses of Tory MP Nadine Dorries http://bit.ly/dOV9Dx #politics
I was right!! I said it might be her.
I fully expect Guido to cover the shit out of this like he has with Illsley.
Maybe he can start a petition demanding her to resign and deliver it personally?
Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha!!!
Wow. I haven’t seen the mirror very often.
“love wrangle Tory”
“When the MP for Mid Bedfordshire was contacted by the Mirror last night, she said “Oh God” and hung up.”
And the great rule: read the last paragraph. its a non story.
A Scotland Yard spokesman last night refused to confirm or deny whether Ms Dorries was under investigation.
PS: I do think she’s crackers.
but we know there are still several MPs in the pipeline for prosecution
we just don’t know who they all are
yet
“But Westminster sources said Parliamentary officials handed her claims file to police, and officers are thought to have spoken to Ms Dorries before Christmas.”
They couldn’t have published that with L|bel happy Mad Nads unless it was true. Though if it’s a Lie she will of course immediately sue them then. Won’t she ?
the police can never confirm or deny until the prosecutions start
As you rightly said. And the great rule: read the last paragraph.
which actually was
“A Crown Prosecution Service spokesman said: “We do not name individuals whose expense claims are being considered by the CPS or Metropolitan Police unless… we have made a charging decision.”
Nadine’s response says it all.
She’s fucked. And not by a married man this time.
Last 2 paragraphs say its a non story. I quoted the second last because its pretty much saying the same thing as the one you quoted but shorter.
Come back when there is real information.
Calm Down Nadine dear! it’s only a police investigation
nothing to hide, nothing to fear
According to her as on a tv interview she says the being an MP is her profession,so public service seems not to exist being an MP,if so then surely if she has been messing about with her expenses as well as plod being called in shouldn’t HMRC be called in as well,after all being an mp is her profession.
Let’s not forget this Piggy is one of THE most prominent politicians trying to get ISPA to stop investigating MPs expenses and water down the already weak regulation of MPs expenses.
Just like she was always banging on about the sanctity of marriage while she was shagging another woman’s husband.
She’s a hypocrite and a twat.
On the 32nd of Julember i will announce my shadow budget !
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Today I will be victorious in the by-election and win by a landslide.
I have asked Mad Nadine to add up my expenses as there are too many big numbers for me to do it. She says she is an expert.
last year i delivered all my own christmas cards
you never lose it you know
Not going to accept AV. I do not want to place candidates in order of preference as the only preference I have is independent, non-party candidates.
I do not want to give any party a sniff of a chance of power.
If we had to put them in order of preference
we would all have Ed’s blank sheet of paper
Heres one for Call Me Dave
Reads like an anti-libdem pro-labour election campaign website. I’m torn, I don’t want AV but I also don’t want to support Labour *head’splode*
Silly boy. Just more tories hiding and bing snidey…. Website set up by Charlotte Vere Tory member and Tory parliamentary candidate….YAWN. Anon as ever…..
morning , there was talk before Xmas of an organised spoiling of the voting papers in Scotland ,with a line through the questions and writing Independence across the question.
AV is pathetic and first past the post is now being shown for the con that it is so neither option is what I want.
SPOIL the paper then they might just take the hint. far better than not voting at all. by law they must count the spoiled papers and announce the amount .wouldn’t it be interesting if the spoilt papers heavily outnumbered the yes or the No’s
Sid
I don’t particularly care one way or the other so will apply my normal tactic in these cases (eg i/d cards), and oppose whatever guardianistas want.
Website set up by Charlotte Vere Tory member and Tory parliamentary candidate….YAWN. Anon as ever…..
I wonder if the Yes campaign also hires massagespace will they get a similarly glowing review?
This is wonderful I use purple a lot in my business I will think again I dont want to upset anyone.
Oh dear sorry I didnt realise that I couldnt use purple at work!!