He says in his statement he is “winding down his office” and will stand down before his next court appearance – which is in a month. Based on past precedent he’ll get sentenced to more than a year in jail at his next court appearance and would therefore lose his membership of parliament anyway without resigning. Meantime he’ll claim more than £5,000 further off the taxpayers he has already been convicted of robbing…
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Norman Tebbit has a humble brag:
“We Maastricht rebels were derided and abused for opposing the single currency by the wise, clever, Guardianista soft centre left establishment from whom we now hear so little on the matter.”
Mr Bryant and Mr Watson managing to make the whole hacking affair look like a farce – the more they moan the less I care about the whole subject! So partisan it beggars belief at all costs. They cannot rise above it ! If I was to call the PM a ‘liar’ I would want to be VERY sure.
Fifthteenth?
Nice one!
Well counted. It’s remarkable what high numbers you can get to if you take your shoes and socks off.
If he’s ‘winding down his office’, then he isn’t fucking working, ergo, he shouldn’t be getting paid.
He’s been fucking convicted, so any payments whether they be salary or otherwise should be halted, in-fucking-definitely…
Fucking fat, pie shaped prick…!
+1
Correct.
And he should have his assets seized.
The useless prick is just dragging it out to collect more money. Next thing you know he’ll be claiming the lump sum for MPs who lose their seat.
As for Bercow doesn’t the idiotic fucking dwarf have legal advisers or is his head so far up his arse he can’t hear what they are telling him.
They don’t get any lump sums anymore – just money for staff redundancies (and I don’t think he’s got any staff…)
Fuck off TaT!
May the bluebird of happiness deposit the dollop of truth on your finely-woven hairpiece.
Page 88
Amount stolen is not small, but is less than £17,500. Custodial terms from the very short to 21 months.
Discount should be given for a guilty plea
http://www.sentencingcouncil.org.uk/docs/web_case_compendium.pdf
So he could well get less than a year Chaytor’s crime was in the 2–3 years’ custodial sentence bracket
Illsley was originally accused of dishonestly claiming £25,00 and this is why he probably pleaded guilty yesterday of thieving a revised sum of £14,500. It brings him below the £17,500 threshold. I suppose some pleas bargaining occured between the defence and the prosecution. He will almost certainly spend less than 12 months in jail.
Haven’t other MPs caught up in the expenses scam paid back only a fraction of what they falsely claim, I am only asking.
Yes but these are the bloody infantry. You can’t expect people like Jackie Smith to go to jail can you?
It’s a shame we don’t have General Melchett as the sentencing judge.
lol!
Today’s LiveChat PMQs highlights are available to watch.
Stepping down as an MP before the sentencing will probably win him some more time off the length of his custodial sentence.
They cannot get out of it that way, we know the names, no hiding place, mind they might get set on working in a bank
Isn’t the going rate 1 month per £1,000?
Is it really so unreasonable to wish 400 MP’s and former MP’s, recieve lengthy prison terms?
And then hang him?
Excellent suggestion which receives my full support.
… or, as with Gilles De Reis, the Middle Ages French pervert, hang him AND burn him at the stake – at the same time.
Are you a retard? or a Camerhoon?
Why a month delay before sentencing? The fire extinguisher chucker was sentenced & sent to a young offenders detention centre immediately after being found guilty.
They’ll want social reports
Billy, he has admitted his guilt, and therefore I really don’t think he should be drawing his salary, as the likes of you and I are paying him. I think he’s had enough of our money one way or another, don’t you?
By the way, another great win for England!
Or the gallows.
The fact that you can still be an MP despite being convicted and imprisoned for theft, really just sums up how shabby the ‘profession’ of politics really is. Of course, “it’s all within the rules”.
If politics was a proper profession it would have binding rules on conduct and breaking those rules and bringing the profession into disrepute would attract disciplinary measures. Doing so to a degree that criminal charges relating to the profession are successfully brought (and likely followed by a prison sentence) would likely result in a membership suspension and expulsion following a swift disciplinary hearing.
This sort of prevarication and unseemly clinging on show exactly why politics is not a profession – in fact it is more like racketeering.
as he pled guilty, surely he should acknowledge his crime and retire to the library with a loaded gun?
Oi!
He’d miss.
Recipe for Justice:
Ingredients
1 glass tank (10ft x 10ft x 10ft)
Hydrochloric acid (50 gallons)
1 thieving MP.
Pour acid into the tank until it’s reached a depth of 1 foot.
Add the MP.
Not enough acid. 50 gallons is 8.02718598 cubic feet.
One foot depth in your tank is 100 cubic feet.
Nice idea though. I feel its time has come.
You need 623 gallons.
Sshh…the metric police are watching….
I just knew someone would work out the quantities.
Ah but Mr. Evil.
I would also disagree on your choice of acid.
If I was in a bond-baddie sort of mood myself it would be 3cm of conc. Sulphuric.
If a cubical tank of side 10ft is to be filled to a depth of Ift, and tap A is producing acid at the rate of Xlps and tap B is running at Ylps, if there is a hole C leaking at Zlps, at what time will the 8.08 from Victoria arrive at Plymouth?
Frottage…..
Wednesday?
Pork
late
I’m so glad I spent my time looking out of the window and fantasising about Miss Potten’s breasts.
About 10.18?
Ms. Jones. Oxbow lake
Ah, maths for 6 year olds.
Go get me a 6 year old, I can’t work this out at all.
That train has been cancelled due to rain on the lines.
Hmm, trains don’t go from Victoria to Plymouth?
Don’t fuck about with acid – that’s dangerous.
Psstt… wanna buy a few pirhanas? Going cheap; special offers until Sunday.
In my judgement he should stay on, as his vast experience as a Parliamentarian will be very useful and he will fit in well with my new generation of politicians
You must be far too busy now to manage your own finances. Why don’t you appoint him as your private accountant?
I can do Ed’s accounts for him! I’m on the eleventeenth page of Economics for Dummies.
When did you finish Learning how to read for Union Dummies ?
Lawson forgot to pay his Thresher’s wine bill didn’t he, easily done in a busy life.
Fuck! Is that the best you can come up with? Pathetic.
so THAT’S why they went bust.
Nah. They went bust because the staff always drank more than they sold.
No, they went bust because they ran out of money.
Similar story with a rather bigger organisation but
luckily they changed management in time.
Are you sure it wasn’t Norman Lamont?
Just what we have come to expect from baby eating socialists
I see he’s apologised to his family and his constituents and regrets ‘very, very deeply’ that he got caught.
What about duck islands and moat cleaning, does that not count even if they payed some or all of it back, I think we should be told, after all if such as GF had not been rooting about nothing would hve been said. All this started under the mighty Maggie MPs could have a pay rise but they could put things on expenses, nudge-nudge, wink-wink in the early 1980′s when GF was a young teenager. I think it would be very interesting to see all the early expense forms of MPs.
But the Duck Island and moat cleaning were not fraudulent claims, they were genuine.
I’ll say, i saw that moat on the news and it was fucking filthy…
If I put a genuine claim in my overnight expenses for something I wasn’t entitled to my boss/pay office either rejects it or he pays it. End of Story.
If I put a fraudulent claim in for my overnight expenses for something that I was entitled to and it is subsequently found out to be fraudulent then I get the sack and if it is serious or not a one off then the cops are called in.
End of story?
If the shareholders (etc.) discovered that you had been really taking the piss, what would happen to you or your boss?
I know it is essential to perform parliamentary duties to have a floating house to keep duckies on and the moat was cleaned out probably so that if GF caught up with the MP the water would be a least fairly clean instead of that smelly rotting weed, everything used to go into moats at one time
The duck island claim was rejected and wasn’t paid out. The mp concerned was taking the piss but committed no crime.
In the same way Tam Dalziel attempted to claim for an antique bookcase. Claim rejected.
Typical labourite anonymous. According to the Lieber luvies, EVERY evil under the sun was the fault of Mrs Thatcher! Has it ever entered your head that Mrs, T. did not ask these thieving b@st@rds to help themselves to tax payers money, or are we going on the premise that they were only helping themselves because others were?
Ahh poor soul, here we go again, anyone who does follow a right wing agenda is Liebore, forgoodness sake grow up and read your modern history, it was 30 years ago maybe you were filling your nappies or just a naughty thought in your old man’s eye. For the record I voted Limp Dem and got Con Dem, oh well, you can’t have everything, Old Nick is caught in a vice such is the attraction of being in power, that’s why NuLiebore did not sort out B’Liar and Broon when they should have done.
Its about which cases are possible to get through a court of law.
False invoices and the like.
That’s a very good question, Billy, and the reason most troughing MPs of all parties appear to have got away with blatant theft is..
LOOK! Here comes the BIG SOCIETY! HOORAY! Look, it’s coming over the hill, bringing sweetness and light! Don’t look at the expenses, LOOK AT THE BIG SOCIETY! TALK ABOUT IT, EVERYBODY! Yay, big society.
Because everything she did she checked it out with the fees office first. She used the system rather than abused it. I like it no more than you but unfortunately she can not be touched.
because her old man was busy doing something else.
Climb everest? Met a martian?
Presumably she hasn’t forged an invoice.
Its probably not possible to prove that one doesn’t live in a box room in a court of law, or work out what the HoC rules in a legally watertight case.
for some reason I thought the question was “what” and not “why”
Most of these claims took place with the blessing of the fees office.this is evidence of a massive conspiracy to defraud including both the claimants and fees office. Institutionally corrupt!!
Perhaps one of the learned readers of this blog could tell me: if he resigns before he’s sentenced does he get the ex-MP’s payoff?
Yes.
10p in the Oxfam shop.
That means the Kindle edition will be about 1p.
Still over-priced.
No now discounted to only 5p & I use a page everymorning to wipe my ar*se on !
have complained though as paper used to print this crap is too rough for my piles
Brilliantly, best book ever, sales sky high, we all have copies here on Labourlist.
Remember comrades, stay on message, Tories ate our goldfish, Thatcher, etc.
Don’t forget the Corn Laws!
Guido hasen’t
And the Battle of Actium.
Evil Tories, Thatcher, Ashcroft, etc.
This is pathetic.
He was charged with making fraudulent claims of £25k and maintained complete innocence until “suddenly” admitting to £14.5k of the fraud. The prosecution was unable to present the case for the full amount (and possibly present further incidents). It does NOT mean that the taxpayer has seen justice – we have been cheated.
Many questions remain unanswered. An immediate custodial sentence was a fairer outcome and not a deferred sentencing that ultimately costs more to the public purse.
Please remember the Beebs role to muddy the waters on the real facts via all of there channels
Its in the Charter !
Sounds pretty much like any sort of case.
The police can’t always get enough evidence to do you for everything (they think) you are guilty of.
Most fraud cases only touch on the most glaring examples. The true scale of the fraud is very rarely brought to the court as prosecution is impractical.
the left are winning and there is nothing you can do blue boys
Winning what…? what ‘blue boys’…? Are you new here…?
Yeth, I love my offith in Downing Thtreet. Look at me wave from the windowth of Number 10!
‘Not waving but drowning’.
It would indeed be ‘Drowning Street if you ever got in there, Red Ed.
Privately of course Labour are cacking themselves that the Coalition may not actually last the full term and Labour will actually have to govern again with 18 months before the mess they created has been sorted and Miliband and Johnson would then have to own up and tell the electorate that they haven’t got the first f*ck*ng idea how to deal with the crisis……….
I think the sobriquets ‘Wallace and Grommit are spot on for Red Ed and Postman Prat.
What’s the difference between Illsley and many other MPs frauding? Answer: He was caught out and has white skin.
Good point Billy. Hopefully ‘saddick khan’ and Denis ‘adenoids’ McShane are next.
I have a super ‘get out of jail free’ card. Can you guess what it is?
I’ve got two! Lucky me!!
Your spelling is improving, Billy.
Therefore I am.
I think not, therefore I am not.
I am altho thinking.
He did claim to live in a house that didn’t belong to anyone he knew. Inconvenient.
Tory trumps black Billy. No get out of jail free card for Lord Tory.
What a clunt!!!
Hi Eric. Please get cancer. Cheers.
I’m collecting a full MP’s salary. I’ve turned up about twice to parliament, three if you count having a jobby in the parliament toilets.
Daddy !!! Still writing shit books ??
GUIDO. LEAVE ME ALONE. I HAVE ONE MONTH OF SEMI-FREEDOM THAT I INTEND TO ENJOY.
Eric, make sure to take plenty of lube with you to prison. Your botty will get quite sore otherwise.
Regardless, he’ll also need a pack of tam*pons, because a wrecked sphincter (and his is going to be oh-so wrecked) tends to .. leak.
Soon, I’ll be spending my time wearing Eric Illsley.
At our expense?
These fuckwits have no shame.
I fail to understand why so many people voted for this flabby toad in the first place, but, hey! That’s Socialism!!!
What a fool! The rules were so lax as to give carte blanche to any claim backed with a genuine invoice, and yet he had to falsify them.
He’s not one of us.
Quite right.
i feel he’s rather let the whole side down.
Poor show Illsley. You’ve spoiled it for the rest of us.
2 down, 648 to go.
Ihr Glas ist halb voll, mein Freund.
Eric has done the honourable thing stepping down as a Right Honourable Member. His sin was not fiddling expenses but getting caught fiddling expenses. He should have bought himself some insurance, like I have, and joined the Parliamentary Lodge.
All humans are pea-brains. Whoever invented money should be shot.
Sorry to keep your comment on hold, God. Just consulting with our tea lady/legal expert.
Our Master, the Grand Inspector General of the 33rd degree has asked me to pass his congratulations on to you Mike, your comments will certainly bring us more recruits from your Right Honourable Colleagues. Perhaps you also ought to mention that we arranged that the Head of IPSA and the Parliamentary Standards Commissioner were also appointed under our influence, and are high rankings Brothers of the Royal Arch. Consequently, after the public hiatus has died down, things will be back to normal for you all. JAHBULON.
How do I join Mike? How quickly can you get me in?
Me too Mike.
Today I will be a protractor.
Procrastinator more like.
Prolapse…?
I’ll respond to that next week.
I hope your demise is long, painful and protracted.
Whatever angle I look at you from, you will always be the ass hole who stole one third of my pension; the shit-for-brains who put tribalism ahead of good politics; the bastard who left my kids with a future of excessive taxation – and the most deceitful politician I have ever witnessed.
Not sure but whilst on the subject how is Pete Townsends book coming along ?
the fact that hes guilty should mean that he is out.
Yes, but who the fuck are are you?
£5k Guido? Good Lord it’ll be more than that!
He’ll also claim a month’s salary for his wife whom he employs as a PA plus salary & costs for his constituency office staff plus running expenses, rent rates etc for said constituency office……………..
I bet it comes to more like £15k – £20k.
Yes please.
You forgot to mention…..
Duck houses….moats….nasty tories….europe tory split….innocent labour MPs were all a victim of a nasty tory expenses system….it wasn’t their fault….
(remember; don’t mention jacqui smith)
bankers…bankers..bankers….they’re all tory wankers stealing your money, even the Barclays directors who were pretty much the only bankers on the planet to not get a penny of tax payers’ money….blame bankers….
(don’t mention the unsustainable structural deficit that had existed before the crisis even started)
all blog entries on our site will be moderated-out if they don’t fit in with the labour line.
come on, people, let’s get this country communist; it’ll be better for us all.
I’ve only got two things to say to all MPs – hope you’re watchin
FUCK OFF
Just for clarity does anyone know the answer to this one? If he resigns does he get his pension and if he is dumped by a parliamentary vote or by the law does he lose it?
Reasonable straight forward answer to your question
Who drafts the rules & regulations regarding their pensions ?
Answer The MP’s aka Pimps,Thieves & Liars, (thats there only there good points).
Therefore no matter what he does, he will still receive his 22ct Gold Plated Pension, which as you know is fully funded & “index linked” by the Great British Tax Payer.
Of course all within the rules…….were laughing told its democracy…….
Its rumoured the Pensions consult is Sir Robert Gabriel Mugabe OBE
says it all
Hope thats clarifys the situation
Thanks for that. Paying an index linked pension to this crook would be criminal. So that will fit right in with what we have come to expect of our lords and masters.
Fascinating. Illsley appears to hold his surgeries at 18 Regent Street Barnsley S70 2HG. A brief Google shows that address as belonging to the South Yorkshire Pensions Authority.
Why would Illsley need a month to wind down an office, if he uses another organisation’s premises? Where precisely IS his constituency office?
ps – his website trumpets regeneration in central Barnsley. IMO it’d be better if S Yorks could attract more businesses, rather than replacing one monolithic concrete retail town centre with another…
…………….there are an awful lot more MP’s who should join this trougher in the dock. We all know they maxed their expenses with the “nudge, nudge, wink, wink” agreement of the fees office. I just call it FALSE ACCOUNTING and a crime.
The Berks claim that he could not be dealt with because it was sub judice is nonsence The thief had plead guilty end of Another example of the crooks looking after their mates
2 Votes are better than 1
2 Votes are better than 1
Let’s have all the crooks out of both Houses of Parliament by starting with those already convicted; Lords’ Black and Archer. It’s a complete scandal that these crooks remain in one of our two legislating chambers.
168 comments already so who is ever going to read mine? Regardless – he will be running up HoC bar bills for the next month that he will leave without settling. He will be loading up with subsidised product from the shops there and using up all his privileges. I want him out NOW!
Guido,
What is status on:
Margaret Moran,
Dennis McShane,
Tony McNulty,
Baroness Uddin.
In all the above, Police were investigating but things have gone quiet…….
I really cant think what to say except this man deserves what he gets !