January 10th, 2011

The Guardian’s Violent Rhetoric

This morning’s Guardian leader lambasted the violent rhetoric they claim is to blame for the tragic shootings in Tuscon. However true to form they haven’t always practiced what they preach. Take for example this picture of a hanging effigy of Nick Clegg taken outside the Guardian’s King Cross HQ. Did any Guardianista step up and slam that? No.

Nor did they have any problem with one of their own using shooting rhetoric during the election. Say Cameron had been shot or attacked, would the lefty twitterati have riled against Toynbee for suggesting the LibDems and Labour needed to “turn their guns on the real enemy”? No of course not. While having a debate about what is an acceptable way to describe your political opponents is one thing, doing so on the back of an attempt to politicise the actions of a deranged lunatic is a new low.


331 Comments

  1. 1
    Billy Bowden is the greatest umpire ever ! says:

    Fuckin lefties !!!!!!!!!

    • 3
      Anonymous says:

      The end justfies the means……

      • 18
        Dick the Prick says:

        The fact that shooter was a lefty is irrelevant, too. Ho hum.

      • 121
        Living with the real people in NW3 says:

        The truth is an inconvenience to the left.

      • 122
        Righty Right Wing (Mrs) says:

        Indeed.

      • 137
        AC1 says:

        Timothy McVeigh was an atheist, this didn’t fit the narrative so was dropped from the MSM prolefeed.

      • 171
        Lady Virginia Droit de Seigneur says:

        They also seem to have conveniently forgotten about the activities of the Black Panthers, Symbionese Liberation Army, Venceremos and the Weathermen.

        The Guardian has little credibility left – this whole risible editorial is just a blatant attempt to distort facts to fit their centre left agenda.

      • 260
        Grumpy Old Man says:

        Brilliant post. Hope you can do more like this.

      • 276
        Sarah Palin says:

        Don’t retreat, reload my windowlicker friends.

      • 310
        Misterned says:

        This particular nutter has a Satanic shrine in his yard, boasts that his favourite book is the communist manifesto and is a drug taking deranged god hating lunatic.

        If such a person is a member of the tea party, then they must be a lot more popular than I thought!!!

        Obviously such a leftwing god hating nutcase is not representative of conservatives or the tea party.

        What is utterly unforgivable is how the leftwing media immediately and instinctively kneejerked into reporting gross falsehoods in order to exploit a grotesque tragedy for political advantage, without even waiting for a hint of the truth to emerge.

        And if you want to balance the left wings assertions of hare in the media, look no further than Michelle Malkin’s website.

        I would not normally give a neocon like het the time of day, but she has collated and published an enormous number of examples of ‘liberal hate’ aimed at conservatives, complete with death threats and effigies too.

    • 217
      Let's ava Riot says:

      Violence is what the left does best

    • 294
      Polly et Ebony says:

      hTe Grauniad is staffed by good people so they can behave in this sort of way. Sarah Palin and the likes when they do it they encourage mass murderers like Hitler and Mrs Thatch

    • 295
      I says:

      Who’s next in the crosshairs Guido?

  2. 2
    Irene says:

    “If they bring a knife
    to the fight, we bring a gun”

    Obama June 2008

  3. 4
    Charles Kennedy says:

    I was going to decapitate the Tories, but I got pished and shat myself instead.

  4. 5
    Lenin says:

    Guardian is full of hypocrisy, you listed some examples but also on tax where GMG is engaged in tax avoidance on a massive scale while condemning others such as Philip Green.

    • 8
      BBC says:

      Funny we always mention Vodafone, but never The Guardian…..

    • 91
      AC1 says:

      Much of the left-wing (i.e. state power) attacks on the views of who believe in a reciprocal society (capitalism) are motivated by the mental defence mechanism called Freudian Projection.

      • 197
        Crazyfoam says:

        Do give over about projection, AC1, there’s a good chap. We all know it off by heart by now.

        • 203
          Rusbridgers huge wallet says:

          It’s worth repeating. They are keen on accusations of evil for all who reject their statist ideological hell. And faced with evil opponents, anything goes.

      • 286
        Angry NeoCon Mong says:

        said the projector in chief

    • 133
      Quango says:

      last time I looked the Guardian weren’t accepting a job from Dave to look at Government spending – his ego put him in the firing line – what do you expect

    • 314
      Fox News says:

      With Red Ed so pathetic the Guardian is the only voice of the Labour party. It punches well above it weight thanks to its ally, the BBC.
      The BBC is stuffed full of Guardian readers: 85% of BBC staff are recruited from its pages.
      The BBC could easily advertise vacancies on its own website.
      Sky should be allowed to buy all the shares in BskyB to counterbalance the BBC.
      Sky news should be the UK equivalent of Fox News.

  5. 6
  6. 7
    Anonymous says:

    Time Guido to retire the telescopic sight cross hair photos, you and Palin both. The US lefties believe it encourages assassins.

  7. 9

    I’d like to see Polly Toynbee shredded with a minigun – incendiary rounds of course…

  8. 10
    It doesn't add up... says:

    Do you back Vince Cable?

    Vote here:

    http://www.richmondandtwickenhamtimes.co.uk/

    PgDn for poll

  9. 11
    Anonymous says:

    It’s a hung parliament presumably… chortle

  10. 12
    Reading The Telegraph caused my Dalmation to chew his own balls off says:

    All news media are self-serving scum with the exception of this august blog which is, patently, run by the insane for the deluded.

  11. 13
    Billy Bowden is the greatest umpire ever ! says:

    Shouldnt this be tagged ” Loony Left” ?

  12. 14

    Remember the 10:10 Climate video – showing “sceptical” school children being blown up?

    The Guardian said this at the time:

    A statement from the Guardian, a backer of 10:10, which exclusively showcased No Pressure, said: “The film may have been somewhat tasteless, but it was an imaginative attempt to challenge public apathy over climate change.”

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2010/oct/02/1010-richard-curtis-climate-change

    • 50
      Righty Right Wing (Mrs) says:

      Its not fascsim when they do it. Its progressive, innit.

      • 55
        jgm2 says:

        Yep. It’s ‘edgy’ when the left does it. Just like when the left fantasize about the big street party they’re going to have when Maggie pops her clogs. Edgy. Not nasty.

        Not dog-whistle-who-will-rid-me-of-this-turbulent-ex-politician. Nope. Edgy. And progressive.

        • 265
          QWERTY says:

          The BBC have refused to discuss any of these leftie stunts, especially Radio 5. Effigy’s of Sarah Palin being strung up, pictures of Palin being punched in the face or shot is fine by the BBC it appears.

        • 284
          Yep. It’s ‘edgy’ when the left does it. ROFL! says:

          If you want to understand climate change, go and see Al Gore’s film, An Inconvenient Truth. – David Cameron

          • Number 6 says:

            If you want to understand why the tory party is led by a Hunt go and look at Dave Boy Green Cameron.

    • 301
      Ben Elton says:

      Sympathy for victims is always counter-balanced by an equal and opposite feeling of resentment towards them.
      Ben Elton

  13. 16
    The big D says:

    The rules that socialists make apply to everybody; except the socialist politicians, journalists, union leaders, etc., etc..

    Is there a secret hypocrisy removing operation that the left wing perform on their new born? It would explain a lot of the things we see to-day.

  14. 17
    Evie Lennon says:

    Does anyone read the Guardian any more, apart from Silly Toynbee and co? Funny isn’t it, the wealthy lefties bang on about the poor disadvantaged, but never seem to be able to give their wealth to these poor needy b@ggers! What’s the old saying………’all mouth and no trousers’ !

    • 53
      Quilted is best says:

      I am afraid the guardian has long ceased to be even any use as toilet paper. The printer’s ink comes off on your arse – very embarassing if you go to the doctors for an examination and she spots a badly spelt leftie headline printed backwards on your cheeks.

    • 84
      Ruth Kelly's Flood says:

      The Guardian is just the Sun for people with social science degrees and drink at the well of public sector employment.

      • 85
        Where are Tony Blair's Expenses says:

        The Guardian is just the Sun for people with social science degrees and drink at the well of public sector employment

        Why are Ruth Kelly’s Flood posts always moderated !!

        • 92
          Where are Tony Blair's Expenses says:

          The Guardian is just the Sun for people with social science degrees and drink at the well of public sector employment

  15. 19
    Evie Lennon says:

    I wont get any help off the leftie millionaires ‘anonymous’. Like I said earlier, these bleeding hearts are all MOUTH!

  16. 21
    Polly Wolly Doodle says:

    Tuscon ??? I hope that’s Tucson and not Tuscany, Mr. Fawkes ??????

  17. 23
    Ear to the Ground says:

    Come on; ‘sticks and stones’ etc etc is not the issue, it’s political intolerance either from the left or right. Likewise it’s not gun control which matters in the USA it’s idiot control we need more of.

    Whatever your politics or party there is now a universal distrust of politicians and the political classes. Why, because we have collectively woken up to their culture of cheating, be it lies, half truths or simply falsifying their expense claims. Our problem is how do we replace this political rubbish without putting in its place more rubbish.

  18. 25
    John Ward says:

    A new low for the Left is an abstract concept, really – like the idea of absolute zero degrees. We all KNOW Ed Scissorglands is an absolute zero, but the text books say it’s not possible.
    High is a better term for Leftie-pc-H&SE gobbledy bollocks policies…you can smell them a mile off.

    Wotwewant is violentretric innit?

    http://hat4uk.wordpress.com/2011/01/06/nick-clegg-is-wrong-but-his-cuckoo-cloud-may-have-a-silver-lining/

  19. 27
    Righty Right Wing (Mrs) says:

    The left have learnt this new tactic from their Islamist co-horts – their brothers in arms against secular pluralist democracy.

  20. 29
    Billy Bowden is the greatest umpire ever ! says:

    Lets face it , the left are still in denail , About losing the election, the deficit , Facts etc …….. We so need a Glen Beck show for the english.

    • 35

      “We so need a Glen Beck show for the english.”

      No we don’t – no fucking way, Glen Beck is a fucking loon Billy….

      • 36
        Billy Bowden is the greatest umpire ever ! says:

        I like watching his shows , just wonder what a English version would be like

      • 47
        annnnonyperson says:

        And a Mormon loony, too, for that matter.

      • 65
        ST says:

        On Glenn Beck I agree with PJ O’Rourke: I agree with a lot of what he says, but he looks like he’s about to be convinced of something…..and I’m not sure what that thing is.

        Anyone who breaks down in tears while discussing politics needs their heads examining. He also believes in the book of Mormon, anyone who believes in the book of Mormon is an idiot.

    • 95
      Marshmyst says:

      A Beck style show would be so great over here just to see some the reactions over here

  21. 30
    Richard the Lionheart says:

    O/T

    Prime Minister Julia Gillard – Australia

    Muslims who want to live under Islamic Sharia law, were told on
    Wednesday to get out of Australia , as the government targeted radicals
    in a bid to head off potential terror attacks..

    “IMMIGRANTS, NOT AUSTRALIANS, MUST ADAPT.. Take It Or Leave It.

    I am tired of this nation worrying about whether we are offending some
    individual or their culture. Since the terrorist attacks on Bali , we
    have experienced a surge in patriotism by the majority of Australians.

    “We speak mainly ENGLISH, not Spanish, Lebanese, Arabic, Chinese,
    Japanese, Russian, or any other language. Therefore, if you wish to
    become part of our society. Learn the language!”

    “Most Australians believe in God. This is not some Christian, right
    wing, political push, but a fact, because Christian men and women, on
    Christian principles, founded this nation, and this is clearly
    documented. It is certainly appropriate to display it on the walls of
    our schools. If God offends you, then I suggest you consider another
    part of the world as your new home, because God is part of our
    culture.”

    “We will accept your beliefs, and will not question why. All we ask is
    that you accept ours, and live in harmony and peaceful enjoyment with
    us.”

    “This is OUR COUNTRY, OUR LAND, and OUR LIFESTYLE, and we will allow
    you every opportunity to enjoy all this. But once you are done
    complaining, whining, and griping about Our Flag, Our Pledge, Our
    Christian beliefs, or Our Way of Life, I highly encourage you take
    advantage of one other great Australian freedom, ‘THE RIGHT TO LEAVE’.”

    “If you aren’t happy here then LEAVE. We didn’t force you to come here.
    You asked to be here. So accept the country YOU accepted.”

    Maybe if we circulate this amongst ourselves in Canada, UK & the USA ,
    we will find the courage to start speaking and voicing the same
    truths.

    • 79
      Anonymous says:

      Right on.

    • 146
      Mike Hunt says:

      I can hear the Grauniad readers screeching from here!

      A related observation:
      Christians, Jews and Muslims actually worship the same God. Boy does it hack some of them off when you point this out.

    • 153
      smoggie says:

      That’s a bit rich coming from a ginger lass from Barry Island. Did the white man adapt to aboriginal ways or did he just shoot most of them?

    • 174
      Arshull of Progress says:

      Bloody brilliant !

      Can’t imagine chocolate Dave saying it though, might offend a Duffle Coat,

      or even worse might stand for something.

    • 206
      Ned Kelly says:

      I see you fell for that old urban legend you sad twats:

      http://www.snopes.com/rumors/thisisamerica.asp

      Anyone who thinks that a right-on career leftist like Gillard would come out with that really is a cretin.

    • 312
      Misterned says:

      I remember getting a spam email some years ago with the same text in it, claiming it was Australian former Conservative PM Howard’s words. It was a hoax then and would not be surprised if it were a hoax now.

  22. 32
    Chris says:

    What is it about the left that makes them so hypocritical, on every single comment, issue or policy

  23. 37
    jgm2 says:

    Busted!!

    Excellent stuff Guido.

  24. 43
    genghiz the kahn says:

    Funnily enough, there is this iconic photographer of Margaret Thatcher in a Challenger tank.

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/artanddesign/artblog/2007/jun/11/comeththedaycomeththeuk

    • 108
      Engineer says:

      Never really thought Mrs T looked particularly at home in that tank. Mind you, with a handbag as lethal as hers, she didn’t need a tank.

  25. 44
    Righty Right Wing (Mrs) says:

    The BBCs coverage of this terrible shooting is a disgrace – even more so than usual.

    Using these tragic events to make political capital is sickening, beyond disgusting.

    If only we had a Conservative Prime Minister with some balls to actually do something about the increasingly political & left wing agenda driven BBC.

    There is something you can all do – STOP PAYING YOUR TV TAX.

  26. 45
    annnnonyperson says:

    It must be hard being the average lefty over on CIF. I think that wringing one’s hands whilst standing on one’s knuckles at the same time must be difficult….

  27. 48
    Anonymous says:

    Anything that has politicians quivering in fear, is on the whole, alright by me.

  28. 54
    Christian Guru Murphy says:

    Its a bit like Billy Bragg. The BBC invite him on frequently to give vent to his unbelievably venomous and foul opinions about the Royal Family, Tories, Margaret Thatcher, the privately educated, Oxbridge graduates and numerous other leftwing bogeymen. When, after years of this hate-filled ranting, some poor demented soul responds with poison pen letters, Bragg says “I don’t deserve this. Everybody loves me. All I’ve ever done is stick up for the poor”.

    • 81
      Disgusting Example Of Humanity says:

      Billy Bragg loves the working class, socialism and multiculturalism from his mansion in a remote consverative, lily white enclave.

      Aka he is a complete tosser like most luvvies who should be one of the first shot against a brick wall come the true revolution.

      • 89
        Christian Guru Murphy says:

        Tim Lott, he’s another one. White City Blues enjoyable book. Looked forward to the next one. Then he starts slagging off the middle classes and the Tories in the pages of the Evening Standard. If he hates them that much I’m sure he wouldn’t want the middle classes to put any more money in his pockets. So I stopped buying/reading him.

        • 296
          Dave and his Liberal Government loves the BBC says:

          Mr Cameron stressed that he supported the BBC

          He said: “The BBC is an important national institution. I want to see it prosper and succeed and be a fantastic cultural asset.”

          He added that he was a “supporter of the licence fee”

          Jeremy Hunt Conservative MP, Culture Secretary

          “I believe that the BBC is a great national institution.”

          “I am proud of the BBC. I think that most British people think that we are very lucky to have a BBC and most people who aren’t British, if they don’t have a BBC, wish they did have one.”

          “I don’t see the BBC as a State broadcaster. “I think people see the BBC as operating at arms length from the government and it’s very important that it should continue to do so and that’s why we’ve said we will protect the BBC charter.”

          Liberal Democrat leader Nick Clegg has defended the BBC, saying it’s “unique in the world and we should be proud of it” and said the trend for politicians to constantly attack it was wrong.

      • 102
        Peter Carter-Fuck says:

        Billy Bragg loves the vibrant multicultural mix in London so much that he moved to Dorset so that someone else could enjoy London in his place, whilst he has to slum it as the lord of the manor in his fucking huge house. Now that’s a selfless act for you. A working class hero is something to be.

        • 138
          smoggie says:

          What made me laugh was finding out that if you criticise him for becoming middle class and living in a big toff’s house then you’re just an “old fashioned racist”.

        • 178
          Desperate Dan says:

          Once he’d soiled his own nest he had to move out to pastures new.

      • 181
        Arshull of Progress says:

        Billy Bragg is a true socialist.

    • 106
      Professor Henry Brubaker, Institute for Studies says:

      This Billy Bragg?

      http://www.thedailymash.co.uk/news/celebrity/billy-bragg-has-absolutely-gigantic-house-201101063402/

      I believe it is actually his house. All very socialist and all that…Twat.

    • 131
      cynical-old-bag says:

      Bloody champagne socialists. They’re everywhere.

  29. 56
    Ann Coulter says:

    Puzzies! Wanna stroke my Johnson?

  30. 57
    Ratsniffer says:

    While we’re on the subject of collective memory, I do wish the media would keep reminding the population that it was not just the financial crash…but labour’s total and utter incompetence which got us into this economic shit storm of a mess… where is the BBC Panorama investigation?

    It’s not exactly hard work…just look at successive labour governments, show viewers the figures and how they ran out of money (every single one of them has done this) and then show how the last government went on a spending spree…not forgetting, of course, flogging off our gold at rock bottom, wrecking the pensions industry, and increasing public sector non jobs to buy votes. Yes, I really look forward to seeing a Panaorama special devoted to this subject…

    • 61
      Rat's arse says:

      Well said ‘sniffer’.

    • 70
      Liebour Propaganda says:

      BBC will blame Mrs T. They have already partially done that when “analysing” the banking crisis. Coming to the Labour freindly conclusion that it was the American’s and Evil Tories fault.

      • 88
        Marshmyst says:

        It is always Maggies fault or Palins fault if you are from the US, methinks the left are a bunch of sexist pigs.

    • 71
      BBC Panorama says:

      Not in your lifetime.

    • 75
      cynical-old-bag says:

      I’m not going to hold me breath…..

    • 94
      Engineer says:

      True enough. For sure, some bankers took stupid risks with other peoples’ money, but you can’t blame the bankers for the management of the public finances. Baling them out was a government decision. Besides, the government was running an increasing deficit before the banking crisis happened.

      • 99
        genghiz the kahn says:

        The BBC even used a heartless banker story line in Lark Rise to Candleford,(though I can’t recall ever reading about a banker in the original book).

        • 117
          Fantasy says:

          LRTC diverged from the original book one hell of a long time ago.

          • genghiz the kahn says:

            Perhaps the next story line is how an evil womanising Liberal formed a coalition with the baby eating Tories.

      • 104
        retardEd Miliband says:

        No we weren’t. There was no deficit under Labour, only ‘investment’. That’s not ‘deficit’. Ask economic genius Alan Johnson.

        I’m also a genius, BTW.

        • 190
          Arshull of Progress says:

          What exactly are these per cent thingies then ?

          Surely we just strike for more of ‘em, innit ?

          Yours,

          Shadow Postie

        • 221
          Alan Johnson says:

          Well it’s like this, the coalition are really making things a lot worse because of the 2.5% rise in VAT. Now what we proposed is a rise in corporation tax, national insurance, a graduate tax and ever higher fuel taxes, as a way of painlessly reducing the deficit over the fiscal term, by a whopping twenty o’clock.

          • Ed Balls says:

            Instead of using the revenue from all those new taxes to reduce the deficit, I think we should have used it to buy more shiny things in Labour constituencies. In fact, if we added borrowed money to the revenue money, we could buy bigger and shinier things in Labour constituencies, and this would add growth to the economy.

    • 100
      Christian Guru Murphy says:

      The BBC are in PR mode. They would like us to believe that everything Ed Miliband says is the word of God. Nothing he says must be challenged. Everything he says must be obeyed. His disciples, the Union leaders – who haven’t appeared on radio or TV for the past 13 years – must now be broadcast every day repeating the Sacred Word According to Ed. Alan Yentob has promised to Fix It for Ed.

    • 219
      I bet you won't though says:

      Bore us with the gory details please BBC…every day until it is every thick skull please!!

  31. 58
    Mr Brown's psycho therapist says:

    The guy is a looney tune. Cased closed!

  32. 60
    Tim Lovejoy says:

    I went to a party with Polly once…..

  33. 62
    Paul Marks says:

    Quite so Guido.

    And the murderer?

    A National Socialist whose favourite reading was “The Communist Manifesto” (by Karl Marx) and “My Struggle” (by Adolf Hitler).

    Obviously a Sarah Palin and Glenn Beck fan – obvious if one is demented (as MSM people tend to be).

    • 313
      Misterned says:

      Add that he was a drug taking, god hating Satanist and it looks less and less likely that he was in any way shape or form, a tea party supporter.

      Is he a God hating communist psychopath? Yes. Conservative? No.

  34. 64
    Billy Bowden is the greatest umpire ever ! says:

    Say Cameron had been shot or attacked

    We might get a Tory PM then.

  35. 67
    A nutter with a gun says:

    He is a picnic short of two sandwiches.

  36. 68
    Hellboy says:

    It’s taken you all day Guido and that’s all you could come up with ?? Feeble. And of course your blog and it’s charming posters are all sweetness and light – you are a guilty man and using attack as the best form of defence I think.

  37. 72
    Red-Ed says:

    Dethperate timth callth for dethperate meathureth.

  38. 74
    Disgusting Example Of Humanity says:

    They are on full spinning mode already saying the Tuscon guy was far right neo nazi when he is a confirmed hardcore marxist lmao even the tin foil and hatters and CT’ers aren’t buying the spin on this one.

  39. 77
    A student playing hangman! says:

    G-rd-n Br–n is a l–ney t-ne.

    • 110
      BOB CROW (YOUNION LEEDER & JEANIUS) says:

      THAT SPELLS “FATCHUR WAS A BITCH”.

      HUR HUR HUR. I WIN ALL YOU’RE MUNEY.

  40. 78
    George says:

    I dont agree with any sort of violence.

  41. 83
    Palin is a deranged cunt herself says:

    The Guardian’s bullshit aside, Sarah Palin, as well as being a gormless creationist fruitcake who quit as governor before her term had even ended, is a disgrace for having a website with gun sights on states which supported the health reform. The shooter is clearly unhinged but that doesn’t and shouldn’t let Palin and her ilk off the hook for a tasteless campaign of vitriol. She’s a typical hate filled christian gun nut who just loves her some killin’ an’ a shootin’.

    • 109
      Peter Carter-Fuck says:

      She speaks very highly of you too.

    • 135
      Arshull of Progress says:

      Grow up you Berk.

      Loads of maps use target icons including internet map sites and most Satnavs.

      Not quite the same as showing a politician with his neck stretched.

    • 253
      Rusbridgers huge wallet says:

      You broke the ironymeter. All haters should be killed blah blah.

      • 297
        you are a cretin says:

        You broke the ironymeter dumbo. He said nothing about killing her.
        Do you practice being this stupid ?

  42. 86
    Lib Dumbs says:

    The difference is very simple Neocon apologists. “Turn your gun” is a metaphor in the UK.

    In Sky/Fox Necon Nutter land it means something totally different

    This Neo Conservative Palin Republican gun tooting nutter from the states, has all you knickers in a twist ….can’t possibly wonder why.

    • 245
      Retard Alert says:

      Ah the product of a socialist education makes an appearence. Congratulations, you can almost write in semi-coherent English.

    • 258
      Disgusting Example Of Humanity says:

      What the guy who was a confirmed marxist and had met and worked for the congresswoman before Sarah Palin ever came on the scene.

      Stick to being a spaz TAT and leave the commenting to others.

      ”Neo-Con” far from it shit for brains but hey what about Neo-Communist idiots like you who still believe in Good and Evil and labelling people who see through the bullshit of left and right as an ‘enemy’ of the cause lol.

      Get back to saving Palestine or claiming your dole you spaz.

  43. 87
    Postie says:

    I think it’s about 1,200

    • 98
      Engineer says:

      …..and that’s before tea-time.

    • 101
      Gordon Brown, Deficit Denier-in-Chief says:

      Close, Alan. It’s 160,000,000,000.

    • 151
      Arshull of Progress says:

      I thought it was 12.8%, but that’s several concepts above the average postie.

      What’s so awful is the general populace don’t realise their income tax rate has an additional 12.8% added to it, so the rich folk earning just over £40k are actually paying an incremental tax rate of 52.8%.

      Just like the good old days under Dennis Healey. What’s the point of trying !

      • 159
        Engineer says:

        Not only that, but the employer pays an additional 11% (I think) for the privelidge of employing someone. It’s easier to be a sole trader.

        • 230
          Mike Hunt says:

          The greedy capitalist employer should pay even more, after he may be a closet banker. Morons.

          Employers NI is a tax on jobs, no wonder those morons that got us in this mess want to take more. Not a clue have they.

  44. 90
    nell says:

    http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/3340548/Palin-removes-gun-target-map.html?OTC-RSS&ATTR=News

    Well we all know the yanks are mad. palin should have known she couldn’t mount that sort of campaign in am eri ca. But then palin hasn’t got the sense god gave a goose .

    Heaven knows what she’ll say or do next. Talk about a loose cannon!! I bet the rebublicans are really chuffed to have her on their side.

  45. 96
    Chaytor says:

    My botty is red raw.

  46. 103
    Chaytor says:

    Yeeehaw! That 9 year old girl who was righteously killed for Jesus is a price worth paying for repealing the evil communist health bill. If we succeed in eliminating health coverage, then that 9 year old won’t have died in vain. And she was probably gonna grow up to be a Democrat anyway, so no loss. Hot damn!

  47. 105
    Lib Dumbs says:

    A 100% right wing fascist tries to kill a left leaning liberal Democrat US congresswoman – And here you all are trying to spin it as a left wing issue. Bugger me, you are all nutters.

    Go back to Sky news ( no one watches ) and Fox and keep on sucking on Murdoch’s member , you bunch of sad Neo Con low lifes

    • 119
      Engineer says:

      Where’s the proof that he’s right wing? Or left wing, come to that.

      (I’ll go along with ‘nutter’ as a working hypothesis.)

      • 136

        Ignore him Engineer, he’s just some 17 year old twat who’s been reading old wanked on copies of the Socialist Worker. He’ll prolly print off a hard copy of his posts to show to his cock smoking mates back in school what a double hard lefty he is……

      • 315
        Misterned says:

        His own words claiming his favourite book is the communist manifesto. His former school attendees who remember his left wing and liberal rants, his hatred of god (as part of his communism, no doubt) his dabbling in the occult and Satan worship.

        Not the normal profile of a conservative. And especially not a tea party conservative.

        But that has not stopped the left wing media shamelessly exploiting these grotesque deaths to falsely accuse and smear their political opponents, has it? They really are low!

    • 125
      Arshull of Progress says:

      You’re saying there’s another news channel other than Sky.

    • 126
      Billy Bowden is the greatest umpire ever ! says:

      Ask the market how good Fox news ( Viewrs)

    • 132
      Tramadol nights! says:

      Ok we will if you keep getting it on yer knees from the BBc/Eddie party and the grundion like the sad little puppet you are!
      Now repeat after me thank you Ed can I have another! !!!!

      • 323
        what a twat says:

        don’t cwy widdle far right nutter
        Awww…. there, there, your hero Palin is still far smarter than you are

    • 158
      Red-neck-Rayleen says:

      Are you for real? Mi, mi.

    • 215

      Only 100%? Not more? You appear to be losing your penchant for hyperbole.

  48. 107
    Billy Bowden is the greatest umpire ever ! says:

    If socailisim has killed millions of people what is the rights number ?

    • 115
      Billy Bowden is the greatest umpire ever ! says:

      Liek the equivaalent .

    • 128
      smoggie says:

      Far right, far left, they are both totalitarian.

      • 252
        Hitler was a Socialist says:

        Actually they are not. The authentic far right, are actually closest to small government, maximum personal freedom and responsibility. The authentic far left, are closest to large authoritarian government and statist dictatorships.
        It is a popular misconception, that the further right you move, the more you embrace the state and statism. That is a wholely left wing phenomenen.

        • 255
          Rusbridgers huge wallet says:

          Correctamundo. The correct term is ‘collectivists’ or ‘statists’. Totalitarians all.

        • 278
          Hitler put socialists in the concentration camps says:

          He was a FASCIST dum dum

          • The Truth says:

            So did Stalin. He even sent his assassins around the world to kill socialists. How many millions of socialists died in Mao’s purges? How many lefties did Pol Pot kill?

            More socialists were killed by any of these murderers, than by Hitler. Hitler concentrated on the Jews, Gypsies and others he considered racially undesirable, whatever their personal politics.

            Mussolini was a communist and Hitler a socialist. Just open your eyes and accept the truth for once.

          • The Truth says:

            Hitler put a lot of people socialists, conservatives, workers, aristocrats, priests into the camps. Basically anybody that he didn’t trust. Obviously he was particularly evil on Jews, Gypsies, Poles and others he deemed as racially inferior.

            However, Stalin put more socialists into his camps than Hitler, he even sent his assassins around the world to murder fellow socialists. How many millions of socialists did Mao murder in his purges? How many lefties did Pol Pot slaughter in his killing fields?

            Mussolini was a communist and Hitler was a socialist. Even a leftie with a small brain must accept the truth for once.

          • hippoppoloppolos says:

            Weren’t the fascisti an Italian nationalist party in the 30′s-40′s. Benito someone? Liked opera & spaghetti.

          • for the far right retards ashamed of their hero hitler says:

            Fascist – an adherent of fascism or other right-wing authoritarian views

  49. 112
    Peter Carter-Fuck says:

    I’m turning my sights on you, you dumb motherfucker.

    • 237
      Rambling Sid Rumpole says:

      Now then little boy, watch your language or the thought police will be after you

      • 275
        HappyUK says:

        Palin for President!!!

        Despite the supremely strenuous efforts of the BBC / Guardianista axis and er, you, to discredit this honest, tough and brave woman at every opportunity, it looks like shes gonna do it!

        Hallelujah!

        • 285
          LMFAO says:

          satire!

        • 329
          KSeven says:

          Are you for real? Sarah Palin is a fraud. Lot of style, no substance, and a belligerent attitude that will make George Bush look like Nelson Mandela.
          She has been shown to be an utter fraud on her out-on-the-range reality programme, where she makes authoritative pronouncements, only to be shown to be wrong immediately…
          Make no mistake, this woman would prove disastrous for the US. She does not possess the humility to listen to others, and would present a cattiness that would lead to administration disaster. I dont think she possesses the personal skills to recognise that running the US is not the equivalent of being the boss of a local enterprise. I can see her cracking up when things dont go her way, because she has no idea of the nature of human affairs.

  50. 123
    smoggie says:

    Shouldn’t it be, “..practised what they preach.” with an “s”?

    • 147
      Engineer says:

      As far as I can tell from the Concise Oxford, either is acceptable.

      • 167
        smoggie says:

        I believe only in America. In England, “practise” is the verb.

        And I’ve never yet met an engineer what could spell proper.

        • 196
          Engineer says:

          I’ll concede the latter point. However, I did look up ‘practise/practice’ in’t dickshunry, and it reckoned both were OK, so I just went along with it.

          • Don’t agree with your spelling, Engineer but your maths is probably ok. You probably learned how to use the slide rule, so you will have heard this one before, no doubt:

            A mathematician and an engineer were both given the same task to do. Divide 6 by 3. Both got the same answer, 1.999. But the engineer said, “2 is close enough.”

          • smoggie says:

            What does a mathematician with constipation do?

            Works it out with a pencil…. ;)

            I’ll get me coat.

        • 202
          Arshull of Progress says:

          Engineer is correct.

          Practice (or Practise) is acceptable in both the US and the UK for both the verb and the noun.

          Source – Webster’s US Dictionary 9th Edition and The Shorter Oxford 1993.

          P.S. Most engineers can spell better than most.

          • smoggie says:

            Source Wiktionary..

            British, Canadian and Australian English distinguish between practice (a noun) and practise (a verb), analogously with advice/advise. In American English, practice is commonly used for both forms, and this is also common in Canada.

            PS
            No they can’t.

          • Billy Bowden is the greatest umpire ever ! says:

            Grammer Wars !!!!!!

          • smoggie says:

            My old English teacher made me do it!!!

          • Arshull of Progress c.eng says:

            Wot the F is Wiktionary ?

            This isn’t a proper source, it doesn’t have a hard cover.

          • smoggie says:

            Get with the times mate. It’s an online democraticly leaked dictionary run by the mysterious Julius Condomge of Wormwood.

            Note that no trees were killed in the making of the Wikshunary. You want hard covers and paper; we want thriving rainforests.

          • Webster’s? …. American – forget it, they don’t speak English across there.

            Shorter Oxford? …. That’s what you get for cheapskating. Written by Trotskyite subversives. Use the proper one.

          • Ron E. says:

            Which far right gun nut loon was obsessed with grammar ?

    • 177

      Its actually three letter changes required.

      “..practised what they screech.”

  51. 124
    Dr Stantz says:

    There is spinning happening from both the Left and the Right and both of them are trying to make some political gains from it.

    This was bound to happen eventually. The way the rhetoric has been going on both sides, they have been itching to upgrade from mere Football style rivalry to out and out gun firing war.

    Sad thing is, aside from being potential caught in the crossfire in the middle, trying to get out of the way of it all, the shooter does not appear to be clearly of the left or the right exclusively and has been enthralled and repeating the hate speeches of both camps. So I can just see the likes of me who refuse to take part in the “Left vs Right” game being lumped in with this loon!

    • 154
      Lib Dumbs says:

      No No NO….. The right are firmly to blame, and the right are trying desperately to shift blame.

      Palin and her crossfires, Sky and fox news never ending vitriolic nasty right wing rhetoric .

      Fox is currently pulling out all the stops, with their tried and tested “unsubstantiated sources routine”

      So please, stop the crap . Necon fascist nutter tries to kill democrat, basically the history of the US republican movement.

      • 168
        smoggie says:

        Perhaps the nutter with the gun is to blame?

      • 194

        Fucking hell…! You really are desperate, i can read the fear in your posts……

        Hahahahahahahahahahaha!!!!!

      • 251
        Joseph Stalin - Hero of the Labour Movement says:

        These US Republicans sound like my kind of people.

        I stopped counting how many I killed when I reached 20,000,000. Let me know when these neocon scum reach that level, then I’ll consider them worthy.

        • 256
          reverse charge call from a Mr Mao in hell says:

          That’s not good enough, I managed > 40,000,000. Bleedin heart liberal.

      • 261
        Cynical Old Man says:

        LibDum, though your entries on this site are probably a wind-up, can you tell me whether a Yank with extreme right wing views would find videos of someone burning the “Stars and Stripes” appealing?

        Apparently YouTube posts of this very nature were among his viewing pleasures – even downloading them into his personal computer to watch again and again.

    • 186
      Slobberdown Menob says:

      He can’t be to the right, He’s just a nutter! much like Gordon brown.
      Any self respecting member of the right knows dam well that shooting a lefty politician in the brain does very little damage, as has just been proved.

    • 188
      Desperate Dan says:

      There’s spin and there’s spin. I don’t think the Tory spinners have have been whipping up hysteria amongst their followers by drawing attention to Ed’s background.

    • 280
      Dubya's Braindamaged Parrots says:

      Iraq has WMD.

  52. 134
    Billy Bowden is the greatest umpire ever ! says:

    Where have all the comments gone ?

    • 140
      Postie says:

      Estonia?

    • 141
      Lib Dumbs says:

      Im afraid Guido has the jitters……Neocon scum

      • 148
        Lip Service says:

        Define Neocon

        • 173
          smoggie says:

          Better he just wipes the foam from his mouth. Fucking nutter.

        • 257
          Hitler was a Socialist says:

          You’ll be lucky, nutters like LD are brain damaged skanks. He could no more define a Neocon than he could a bowl of soup.
          As for the shooter, it’s not conclusive, but anyone who cites Marx and Hitler as his favourite writers, is hardly likly to be a fan of Constitutional Republicans like Palin.
          His Youtube channel has some quite weird stuff on it too, pointing more to the ‘loon with a gun’ than anything else.

          • Dubya says:

            I’m a NeoCon and you thought I was great.

          • Misterned says:

            Bush was not actually a neocon, but the top levels of his administration was full of them. Followers of Straussian philosophy as taught by Strauss in Chicago.

            These people were certainly not conservatives.

    • 144
      Billy Bowden is the greatest umpire ever ! says:

      i can only see 5 ?

  53. 139
    Postie says:

    Was it Liverpool 1978, Sue?

    I’ll pick number 8

  54. 142
    cynical-old-bag says:

    Err – it’s like the Marie Celeste all of a sudden…….

  55. 143
    Postie says:

    Ed and Alan, the Labour Part’s ‘In yer Dreams team’

  56. 145
    Postie says:

    Is it this button marked ‘delete’?

  57. 149
    Billy Bowden is the greatest umpire ever ! says:

    Lets call for Mulder and Scully !

  58. 155
    Lib Dumbers says:

    In a five minute period Fawkes has 6 contributors

  59. 156
    Heath Robinson says:

    Leave a comment? Ha ha, you must be fucking joking.

    Er, OK. BluLabour OUT.

  60. 157
    One bulb short of a chandelier says:

    This site is having some seriously fucked technical issues. First threads disappear from the home page, now hundreds of comments disappear.

    In the meantime, here’s the now-infamous video made by Jared Loughner from his personal Youtube channel. As much as I loathe Palin, I think it’s abundantly clear this man is ill and wasn’t provoked by anyone.

  61. 160
    Gordon Brown says:

    No one would ever shoot me. I’m much loved.

  62. 165
    Cato Street Conspiracy says:

    I wouldn’t worry about what the Guardian says. Nobody – left, right or centre takes it seriously. Unlike you Mr Fawkes – who scares the shit out of all of us!

  63. 166
    Billy Bowden is the greatest umpire ever ! says:

    Back to normal now , That was strange…………..

  64. 170

    ….doing so on the back of an attempt to politicise the actions of a deranged lunatic is a new low.

    FFS don’t tell me Brown’s escaped again?

  65. 176
    Billy Bowden is the greatest umpire ever ! says:

    Has anyone noticed that since Guido hired a new member of staff ,Strange things are happening to the comments sections ?

  66. 187

    Where have the comments gone?

  67. 189
    Believe it or not, this character has been accused of being racist says:

    • 204
      streamfisher says:

      But he’s just another unfunny BBC caricature.

      • 205
        Believe it or not, this character has been accused of being racist says:

        No, he’s very funny.

        • 213
          streamfisher says:

          Come fly with me back to the time of Dick Emery, but without the finesse.

          • Arshull of Progress says:

            Or even Benny Hill, but not sophisticated like Benny, just boring.

            Sort of soft stereotyping that goes down well at the AlJabeeb though.

          • Shurely shome mishtake? says:

            Hmm didn’t the BBC drop The Black and White minstrel show all those years ago because they didn’t like white people wearing makeup to make them look like black people…..?

          • Hitler was a Socialist says:

            Ah but when you are a lefty and gay, the Beeb then decides ‘humour’ like this, is cutting edge.

          • phantom beefheart says:

            Nick Griffin gives me the horn

  68. 195
    smoggie says:

    It’s taken the heat off Andy Coulson. Curious. Maybe he was to blame??!!

  69. 208
    From Blue to Green says:

    Funniest story of the week is the undercover copper who infiltrated a climate change group and ended up switching sides to help them!

  70. 210
    Billy Bowden is the greatest umpire ever ! says:

    Is Pmqs back this week ?

    • 243
      Dave agrees with Nick but nobody else does these days says:

      Parliament resumed after the Xmas Hols to-day Billy with a fun statement from Andrew Lansley on Swine Flu Vaccinations and an attack on the Coalition’s response by his shadow John Healey so therefore it’s back to business as usual this week and PMQs on Wednesday

  71. 223
    TOO FAR says:

    O/T Crawley town FC are playing the “Northern” team Derby…… C’mon… anybody south of anywhere…. must support a great Sussex team. We can dream predict 3-2.

    from a Sad old sod from ????

  72. 232
    Billy Bowden is the greatest umpire ever ! says:

    Is the world a better place now that Saddam Hussian is not in charge of Iraq?

  73. 234
    Rambling Sid Rumpole says:

    Noted that the article was written by Polly Filla, so do you take her seriously Guido old chap? Oh, just thought I would ask Guido, do you know someone who uses rifle sight images when they don’t like them or hold directly contrary views to your own, was Palon using your copywrite.

  74. 249
    Billy Bowden is the greatest umpire ever ! says:

    Next thread : http://order-order.com/2011/01/10/wess-unwise-words/

  75. 264
    Baader Meinhof, a Shining Path to Weathermen and the RAF says:

    We on the left would never indulge in violent activity.

  76. 266
    Obey the moral supremacists of the left says:

    When leftists are in opposition, dissent is the “highest form of Patriotism”.

    When leftists are in power, dissent suddenly becomes “spreading fear and bigotry”.

    • 330
      KSeven says:

      FFS, there is NO question this unhinged guy was influenced by the shrieking nature of political debate in the US. NONE WHATSOEVER. The Republican dialectic is comprised of a constant barrage of petulant outrage. You would think that the US was in danger of collapse the way these whingers spray their rhetoric of outrage.
      The truth is, no matter who’s in charge, the ship of state rarely changes course suddenly, and that it can be compared to tilling the rudder on a super-tanker. Thus this constant rage, particularly by the Right, is petulant nonsense, with nothing of nobility in mind, nothing but base electioneering.

  77. 267
    OiOi says:

    I don’t remember the lefty-loons @ teh guardian complaining about this one from September 2006?

    Here we see a Republican with sniper scope on him in a democratic election video.

  78. 270
  79. 273
    HappyUK says:

    What if some mad fucker with a gun went ape in White City.

    I wonder how the BBC would report it then?

  80. 287

    Bellum bellum bellum belli bello bello belli belli belllos bellorum bellis bellis.

  81. 289
    You say cutback we say fightback says:

    Any leftie demo in the UK is full of violent rhetoric. The Beeb/Grauniad axis always seeks to downplay this as ‘understandable anger’ or ‘generally good-natured’.

  82. 292
    Peter Thomas says:

    This is interesting from Biased BBC…

    http://biased-bbc.blogspot.com/

  83. 300
    David Cameron says:

    Today I am the Bankers jizz bucket.

  84. 318
    Anonymous says:

    The senator that got shot in the head,and the judge that was killed,were both pro second ammendment.
    Trying to blame the tea party,just wont work.
    The right to bare arms.

  85. 325
  86. 328
    KSeven says:

    I am afraid that your point is moot Guido. Even the most right-wing goose-stepping Hitlerite knows that the tone of American political dialogue definitely set the stage for that incredible series of shootings. There can be no doubt that the shrill shriekings of Republicans in particular, the Democrats to a lesser degree, have served to present the notion of America under severe attack to the people. It is completely obvious that a person of unhinged psychology would eventually be affected by this rhetoric, take it literally, and decide, in his psychosis, to strike for his Nation.
    Here in the Emerald Isle, there is a right wing commentator who regularly guests on a drivetime radio show. To listen to this guy, one would be forgiven for thinking that there is a conspiracy to ruin America and the world, that the urgency of this is of the highest level. It is this insistent clamouring of the emergency bell that leads vulnerable people to believe America is under threat. Dont feign surprise at this please. To do so is to insult the intelligence of all…


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