November 22nd, 2010

First Piggy on Trial as IPSA Blows More Cash

As Elliot Morley’s trial gets underway today, the MPs’ expenses bee will simply not leave the Westminster bonnet. ePolitix reports that IPSA are going to spend a million pounds releasing the MPs expense claims data, though there is some confusion over whether receipts will be included in that. While this undoubtedly a good move theoreatically, ironically it will happen on the same day, the 2nd December, that the future of the omnishambolic IPSA is debated in the House. Guido cannot get his head around why it’s going to cost such a staggering amount of money though? He is pretty sure he could do the job with a couple of scanners and some interns for half the price…


114 Comments

  1. 1
    Billy Bowden is the greatest umpire ever ! says:

    Hang Him !!!!

  2. 2
    Anonymous says:

    I could also do it cheaper, but once you let proper businesses tender fairly for government work, all sorts of dodgy decks of cards will come tumbling down.

  3. 3
    Gordon Brown says:

    But I cleaned up Parliment !

  4. 4
    Margaret Moran says:

    I got away with it. Tee-hee!

  5. 5
    The Court of Public Opinion says:

    Ed the union puppet will read out what Charlie Whelan has written for him soon.

  6. 6
    sockpuppet #4 says:

    Perhaps one shouldn’t always read the last paragraph first.

    “He is pretty sure he could do the job with a couple of scanners and some interns” ooo-err missus.

  7. 7
  8. 8
    The bowler's Holding the batsman's Willey says:

    Have you seen the price of black marker pen’s recently, Guido?

  9. 9
    Alfiebengal says:

    You hit the nail on the head. Couldn’t agree more.

  10. 10
    David Miliband and Labour leader in waiting Tweet says:

  11. 11
    ModBot says:

    You said “marker pens”, you pranny.

  12. 12
    Billy Bowden is the greatest umpire ever ! says:

    HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA ……………………… FUCKIN HA HA HA HA HA HA HA

  13. 13
    Ed Miliband says:

    Wha……?

  14. 14

    That’s what you’ve been reduced to – opening a fucking supermarket.

    Sky’s the fucking limit, eh?

  15. 15
    Ken Lorp says:

    The fees office is probably too stupid to know when they’re being taken for a ride. But then, the cost is probably about £100,000 p.a. and the cost of all the inclusive, diversity bullsh1t they have to deal with takes it up to £1m.

  16. 16
    576 FOI requests should do the trick says:

    However Ipsa is subject to the Freedom of Information Act and may have to publish details of the receipts if a request is made.

    http://www.epolitix.com/latestnews/article-detail/newsarticle/expenses-website-launch-will-clash-with-commons-debate/

  17. 17
    ModBot says:

    Tee hee – You said “junk”.

  18. 18
    Team Cameron says:

    No unelected, unaccountable and unremovable Quango’s are the expensive way forward.

  19. 19
    Yesterday's man says:

    Kin L. From Foreign Secretary to trolley pusher in just six months.

  20. 20
    Sir William Waad says:

    Better still, if MPs made their expense claims online the cost of putting them on a website would fall to almost nothing.

  21. 21
    Hugh Janus says:

    Christ on a bike BB, do you ever look away from your screen for more than a few seconds at a time??

  22. 22
    Billy Bowden is the greatest umpire ever ! says:

    ” Dont touch my junk “

  23. 23
    Backwoodsman says:

    I had a serious go at my MP over the cost of this, versus what a plc would spend to audit a similar number of staffs’ expenses . His answer was fairly staggering , if it didn’t cost a lot of money, peolple would then say it wasn’t being done properly ! And this from one of them who is generally considered to have had a life outside of the civil service.

  24. 24
    Phil Woolas says:

    That reminds me, I must buy some tampons.

  25. 25
    ModBot says:

    No. Your name is a bit rude.

  26. 26
    paddy power says:

    Is Guido betting on the likely sentence (assuming that he is found guilty!)

  27. 27
    Gordon Brown says:

    How do you get a gig like that?
    Mrs Brown tells me the one Cantebury has a good range of fresh fish.

  28. 28
    Anonymous says:

    What about the rest? What is happening to Tony McNaulty?

  29. 29
    Hugh Janus says:

    Cutting a ribbon and all the carrots you can carry?? Occupies those long, boring, empty hours as a NuLiebour MP I suppose.

    And ‘this’ has an ‘i’ in it too – accuracy never was your strong point, was it? It’s the same ‘i’ as in ‘rendition’.

  30. 30
    Hugh Janus says:

    Quango’s what?

  31. 31
    Archer Karcher says:

    To be fair, what else does the average MP have left to do? They have given away responsibility for virtually everything else. The real affairs of state take place elsewhere, the average MP’s workload is rubber stamping votes on the directives sent to Westminster from our rulers in Brussels and then attempting to spin them as brilliant ideas they thought of themselves. Er and that’s it.

  32. 32
    Hugh Janus says:

    Something really unpleasant we hope.

  33. 33
    Anonymous says:

    ipsa is a parliamentary conspiracy to make the previous system appear efficient.

  34. 34
    Hugh Janus says:

    “Reassuringly expensive” eh?

  35. 35
    Billy Bowden is the greatest umpire ever ! says:

    Yeah he is stuck in a lift with Gordon ………..After the curry .

  36. 36
    Macauley says:

    I’m in Kent.

  37. 37
    Tim Lovejoy says:

    I bumped into Elliot Morley at a party once ……….

  38. 38

    1 year suspended sentence and a fine of not more than £2500.

    Take that to the bookies.

  39. 39
    streamfisher says:

    One little piggy went to market, one little piggy stayed at home, one little piggy had roast beef, one little piggy had none, and one little piggy went wee,eeee!, all the way home, @ three homes, one built of brick, one built of sticks and one built of straw.

  40. 40
    misterned says:

    “the average MP’s workload is rubber stamping votes on the directives sent to Westminster from our rulers in Brussels and then attempting to spin them as brilliant ideas they thought of themselves. Er and that’s it”

    Actually most MP’s do not spin these as if they have thought of them themselves. Most of them rubber stamp these and then spend their time hoping that we never find out about what has been passed. Half the time, the MPs themselves do not know what they have rubber stamped.

  41. 41
    Postlethwaite says:

    Paid or unpaid interns?

  42. 42
    jgm2 says:

    Morley, after prison, will have to fall back on his acting career.

  43. 43
    Engineer says:

    That neatly explains why the country is broke….

  44. 44
    misterned says:

    Trolley pusher? He should be inside sewing mail sacks!

  45. 45
    It's all one big corrupt happy family says:

    Once your on the inside you don’t want to go back to the outside.

    It’s a big club and we aint apart of it pal.

  46. 46
    Mike Hunt says:

    Alas the story of the last 13 years:
    Two WAGS in the khasi comparing the price of their handbags, mine is better than yours because it cost twice as much etc.

  47. 47
    angelnstar says:

    http://cyberboris.wordpress.com/2010/11/22/is-this-the-biggest-cry-baby-in-the-uk/

    Elliot Morley is the first and biggest piggy. And Bob Crow is the biggest cry baby. Diddums Bobbie, did your mummy tie your bonnet on too tight when you were a baby? And is Big Bad Boris making you cry?

  48. 48
    sockpuppet #4 says:

    in a more serious mode: Unpaid political interns do their job to give themselves a head start up the greasy pole. Thats not really going to work with people who annoy politicians.

  49. 49
    Dack Blog says:

    Just watching Ozzie’s statement… he’s looking a bit pasty and porky lately. As is Dave – though more red than pasty (blood pressure check if I were you, Dave. Or a relaxing hol in Thailand). Clegg looks like he’s at a funeral (prob of the euro).

  50. 50
    Bruno Tagliattelli says:

    It takes two (or many, many more) to quango.

  51. 51
    Private member, Bill says:

    We need a bigger trough now!

  52. 52
  53. 53
    Backwoodsman says:

    I can see the two Eds as shelf stackers – just. & Yvette & old horse face beckett on the tills gossiping, while Moran would be the one who always has the ‘just closing’ sign on her line & is more interested in doing her nails. Supervised by Ms Health & Efficiency herself, mad hattie , who would love the store managers job, but knows she’d muddle the stock take figures & get fired & who has to be satisfied with pussy whipping the two eds & sneaking on the other staff to the manager.

  54. 54
    sockpuppet #4 says:

    ha hahaha ha ha

    Good one.

  55. 55
    Sir William Waad says:

    Perhaps the money would be spent ‘redacting’ the claims. For instance, the ones that begin “Dear Santa…”

  56. 56
    streamfisher says:

    Wouldn’t surprise me if he took a leaf out of Woolas’s book and dressed as a washerwoman to try and escape the law.

  57. 57
    Billy Bowden is the greatest umpire ever ! says:

    Prepare the lamposts !!!!

  58. 58
    Gonk says:

    Bloke, pipe, cardigan, assistant,
    part time, photocopier, telephone, small office…
    …. job done

  59. 59
    Red Ed says:

    While you are there big Bruv, pick up half a dozen packs of disposable nappies and a tub of baby’s bum cream.

    Cheers
    Ed

  60. 60
    streamfisher says:

    Tim Burton’s The Nightmare Before Christmas.

  61. 61
    jgm2 says:

    Did that fucking moron Crow really just try to hold the Olympics hostage? For safety reasons no doubt.

  62. 62
    Confession Of A Former Left Wing Troll says:

    The unpaid suckers usually get drafted in election times to hand out leaflets in the pouring rain and actually are still naive enough to believe in the ideology.

  63. 63
    Upchuck Umomma says:

    I find the lack of coverage about me on this site deeply ray cyst. Don’t you realise I’m a future prime minister?

  64. 64
    Engineer says:

    Here’s how it works.

    A team of people beaver away for some years doing a particular job. They answer to a small management team.

    Some far-away authority decides that the job could be better done by putting it out to others.

    If this is happening in the private sector, the doers are made redundant, and the managers are instructed to outsource the work. This they do, as best they can, with sometimes indifferent results. The company therefore loses business to its competitors and goes bust.

    If however, this happens in the public sector, a team of people are draughted in to write specifications, seek tenders and assess the tenders when submitted. They are then kept on to manage the inevitable variations to contract that crop up. Meanwhile, the tenderers employ a similar management team to assess specifications, write tenders and subsequently manage the contract. (These people, for both purchaser and supplier, can be well paid, because the pit of Other People’s Money is bottomless – or was.) If there is any money left in the contract after wrangling, some is allocated for actually doing the work, usually with a far smaller team than was originally employed. Consequently, the work is often unsatisfactory, giving the management teams ample opportunity for expensive meetings to talk about it.

    Cynical? Been there, done it, took the redundancy and left them to it….

  65. 65
    Max says:

    Guido, it is an unwritten rule that the provision of any service to the public sector is always quoted on the basis of actual price plus an added nought on the end.

    That is why the most basic of buildings that the private sector would throw up for £250,000 will cost the public sector a straight £2.5 million.

    In part (as already mentioned above) that is because an awful lot of f*ckwittery has to be applied at both ends and in addition whereas the private sector might spend some time trying to determine how much f*ckwittery can be legally avoided the public sector spend much time and resources trying to cram in as much f*ckwittery as possible.

    And then they gold-plate it.

    Then there are the overruns of course…

    So naturally £1 mill sounds about right for a £100K job.

  66. 66

    I’ll do it for a tenth of the price, no worries. Online in a week.

  67. 67
    Engineer says:

    Of where?

  68. 68
    The Court of Public Opinion says:

    Or so you thought.

  69. 69
    Desert Rat says:

    Give the bastard a fair trail, then hang him.

    This twat pursued UK fishermen into penury with relish, in support of EU fishing policy (in UK waters). Let him hang or rot in jail I will rejoice.

  70. 70
    And they could only pin this charge on 3 MPs? says:

    False accounting.
    17.
    — (1) Where a person dishonestly, with a view to gain for himself or another or with intent to cause loss to another,—
    (a)destroys, defaces, conceals or falsifies any account or any record or document made or required for any accounting purpose; or
    (b)in furnishing information for any purpose produces or makes use of any account, or any such record or document as aforesaid, which to his knowledge is or may be misleading, false or deceptive in a material particular;
    he shall, on conviction on indictment, be liable to imprisonment for a term not exceeding seven years.
    (2) For purposes of this section a person who makes or concurs in making in an account or other document an entry which is or may be misleading, false or deceptive in a material particular, or who omits or concurs in omitting a material particular from an account or other document, is to be treated as falsifying the account or document

    http://www.statutelaw.gov.uk/content.aspx?LegType=All&searchEnacted=0&extentMatchOnly=0&confersPower=0&blanketAmendment=0&sortAlpha=0&PageNumber=0&NavFrom=0&parentActiveTextDocId=1204258&ActiveTextDocId=1204263&filesize=1557

  71. 71
    Nick2 says:

    Sorry – did you say “Cleaned up *in* Parliament?”

  72. 72
    albacore says:

    All shenanigans political and judicial considered, what’s the odds against Woolas being leader of the Opposition come Christmas?

  73. 73
    Mr Macauley says:

    I’m a C**T

  74. 74
    David Attenborough says:

    Fascinating! Half poodle, half pig, half humanoid – this creature will soon undergo
    the changes that are embedded deep in it’s DNA and become one of those rarest, yet stunningly beautiful, transmogrifications: The Jailbird

  75. 75
    barefootcontessa says:

    They should be transported to New South Wales, or even further away!! see

    http://newsagentprovocateur.blogspot.com

  76. 76
    Nick2 says:

    Two years Community Service – whilst wearing the pig’s snout…

  77. 77
    Engineer says:

    Keeping It Simple does not accord with the principle of using Other People’s Money to run job-creation schemes to lower the unemployment figures.

  78. 78
    Max says:

    Based on Section 17 (1) (b) as quoted above it appears that we may have a good case for convicting Gorgon McDoom just as soon as his book hits Waterstones.

  79. 79
    Nick2 says:

    Or have a sudden brainstorm & turn up on day 1 wearing a dress & calling himself Loretta. Seem to remember that something similar worked rather well with a certain fund manager…

  80. 80
    Nick2 says:

    “What is the point of power without control?”

  81. 81
    Anonymous says:

    YEAH AND IF THEY USED A GOVERNMENT CREDIT CARD THEN THERE WOULD BE MASSIVE SAVINGS

  82. 82
    Jimmy says:

    “He is pretty sure he could do the job with a couple of scanners and some interns for half the price…”

    You get what you pay for I suppose.

  83. 83
    Nick2 says:

    Can’t understand how ANY basic scan & file job can cost £1million.

    And apparently only 22,000 claims will be filed/available online – over £45 each.

    I rather think that any decent scanning bureau could undercut that figure by one or two orders of magnitude. In fact, I suspect that a Law firm could do the job for £100K…

  84. 84
    Diversity Officer says:

    Each marker pen has to be handcrafted from a fair trade village in Africa and hand delivered to reduce carbon footprints.

  85. 85
    Crikey. says:

    He must feel bitter, knowing that so many others should be in the dock with him?

  86. 86
    Gonk says:

    You’re quite right engineer, I forgot. 1 kettle

  87. 87
    Airey Belvoir says:

    He’s even lied about that modest claim – see above!

  88. 88
    Who Gives A Fuck says:

    surely you mean inefficient???

    these scum ought not to be suffered anymore – the population should rise up and exterminate them

  89. 89
    The Lizard King says:

    This is The End.

  90. 90
    Aless says:

    2 scanners at 50 each, 999, 900 black marker pens to cross out details at one pound each

  91. 91
    Aless says:

    2 scanners at 50 each, 999, 900 black marker pens to cross out details at one pound each

  92. 92
  93. 93
    Oh dear. I just drank all my Christmas shopping says:

    Forget the expensive trial, I say. Put him naked in a sty with the honest pigs and see what comes up.

  94. 94
    Just Sayin' Like... says:

  95. 95
    Rt Hon Gordon Brown MP says:

    Fuck you. I saved the world!

  96. 96
    Just Sayin' Like... says:

    Sounds like my ex…

  97. 97
    Just Sayin' Like... says:

    Caps lock stuck?

  98. 98
    Tachybaptus says:

    On the day where we learned that children in British schools are being given sharia lessons, complete with a ‘cut here’ diagram for hands, I thought it might be good to apply the law in Parliament. What a forest of stumps there would be.

  99. 99
    Anonymous says:

    Don’t be stupid, Billy.

  100. 100

    Put another way, they are claiming it costs £1,540 on average to publish the expenses of each MP! Even if you ignore economies of scale, that’s still insanely expensive! Does it really take over a man-month of effort for an admin clerk to apply black marker pen to one MP’s expenses and then feed them through a scanner?

  101. 101
    Unsworth says:

    Stockwell, or the People’s Republic of Lambeth.

  102. 102
    brian gilhooley says:

    Just take the fat bastard out and string him up!

  103. 103
    Worthless Lib Dem pledge says:

    No more broken promises, we will clean up politics- I suppose this fits with Clegg’s promise to abolish tuition fees. The simple truth is the man is liar. I take it that Huhne and Alexander are still strong supporters of the UK entering the single Euro currency and Clegg wants further social, finanicial and economic ties with Europe despite events in ireland- tossers.

  104. 104
    Pissed off voter says:

    Steady, Mr Clegg has made a nice few bob out of the EU

  105. 105
    Pissed off voter says:

    Perhaps if IPSA are inundated with FOI requests, they might realise their error and print all receipts.

    1 million does seem incredibly excessive, I wonder how much it costs the Scottish parliament.

  106. 106
    Pissed off voter says:

    That is absurd. You should name and shame this plonker of an MP.

  107. 107
    Anonymous says:

    no, because after X£million spent there will be a demand for a change and the old system will be resurrected under a different name. Simples.

  108. 108
    nmj says:

    Are you seriously suggesting that because the Civil Service is expensive, it’s good?

  109. 109
    His Lordship says:

    Hope you didn’t spill the drinks then. Clumsy waiters are a pain, but you just can’t get decent staff these days.

  110. 110
    bernim says:

    Just worked out who Morley reminds me of …

    Salvatore in ‘The Name of the Rose’

  111. 111
    Norris Stampton says:

    it is rumoured that three jails are to close. I suggest Elliot Morley is locked in the first and let him await the bulldozers and dynamite.

  112. 112
    Outlier says:

    Is it true this self-serving, worthless piece of shit’s trial has been put off….again!?

  113. 113

    The Elliot Morley fraud trial was listed for 22nd Novemember but did not happen.

    The Supreme Court appeal decision on Parliamentary privilege and reasons for the judgement have now been published, but there was the hearing in Court 11 at the Old Bailey on 26th November and I do not know the result.

    So where do we stand now?

  114. 114


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