November 18th, 2010

End of an Éire

Thousands died in the transition from being England’s first colony, to an Irish Free State and finally an independent Republic. The ironies arising from the situation in Ireland are many. Joining the Euro, hugging the state tight to the whole European project and Dublin’s politicians slavishly obeying their new masters in Frankfurt has ended in disaster. Why fight the English for 400 years for sovereignty only to surrender it to Germany?

O’Connell, de Valera and Collins must be turning in their graves as the heir to the Baronetcy of Ballentaylor, in County Tipperary, and Ballylemon, in County Waterford, contemplates rescuing the Irish Republic with English pounds. The heir normally prefers to go by the name of George…


  1. 1
    Anonymous says:

    Your grandad would be turning in his grave…

  2. 2
    Schrödinger's cat says:

    Always the case. Good people run well things for decades and then some c’unt comes along and flushes it down the pan in five minutes.

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    Bled White Taxpayer says:

    Our £7Bn isn’t going to rescue the Irish Republic. It’s going to take a lot more than that.

    Normally, I’d prefer to see the £7Bn stay here in the UK to plug the holes in our own financial dykes. But there is a history of trade between our 2 countries and that should be protected. I wonder if George can somehow impose some conditions on the use of the £7Bn, namely that it should be used to prop up Irish businesses doing substantial trade with the UK. Probably not.

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    Donny Gaul says:

    Why fight the English for 400 years for sovereignty only to surrender it to Germany?

    Quite. Just why did the Irish side with germany in WW2?

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    Jonathan says:

    Ireland has only ever been a source of trouble for England. A pity Henry II didn’t sort things out properly in the twelfth century!!

  6. 6
    Gordon says:

    Did someone mention me?

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    Paddies ain’t so fucking smug now. What do they owe to British banks…..? Oh yeah, £153,000,000,000.

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    pp says:

    If the current Irish generation have a grudge against the current English generation, then they probably deserve the worst that they get.

    UK and Ireland outside the EU working with the Commonwealth and the rest of the world would be awesome.

    Instead we are handcuffed to the rotting corpse of the EU dragging us down.

    Vampire movies are back in a the moment — I think the EU is the inspiration for their comeback.

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    Seamus says:


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    I think you’ll find that the financial crisis in Ireland has nothing to do with politicians “slavishly obeying their new masters in Frankfurt”

    Rather it has to do with politicians lining their own pockets by taking backhanders from property developers to allow them to build properties nobody wanted.

    The developers were financed by unscrupulous bankers and the houses thrust on naive 20-something year olds who now can’t pay the mortgages on the properties which are currently half the value they are mortgaged for.

    This is all to do with greed and corruption – nothing to do with the EU.

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    Chucky says:

    Ireland has always been a sop for socialism. Never forget that the iRA were fighting for a ‘socialist republic’ so when the EU came along they bought right into it especially as it was us largely funding it.

    Unfortunately those socialist chickens are now coming home to roost.

    They should follow the Icelandic model…I believe they are doing quite well now.

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    Bled White Taxpayer says:

    Quite. But it’s our problem if they just go bust.

    Hopefully, over the next year the Eurozone countries will have to prop up debts across Europe to non-Eurozone entities by so much that the Euro itself will be busted, and along with that the European project as a whole. Britain should steer well clear of Eurozone togetherness.

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    Can’t wait to see what the IRA think of being ruled by Brussels instead of Westminster.

    Tiocfaidh ár lá (Our day will come)

    Looks like it just has.

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    Dan says:

    “This is all to do with greed and corruption – nothing to do with the EU”

    Oh the irony!!

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    Gordon Brown says:

    I’ll save Ireland.

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    Anonymous says:

    If the Irish feel bad about it, just imagine how we English feel !!

    Join the Euro ‘cos you want to milk that, spunk it all up the wall, then come running to ‘those f*cking English’ when it goes tits up.


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    For exactly the same reason that England sided with Germany in WW2 – they didn’t.

    Ireland was nominally neutral but in fact sided with the Allies. Any US/UK airmen who landed in Ireland were escorted across the border, with all their equipment so they could continue fighting. Any Germans who landed in Ireland were interned in a military jail in Kildare.

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    Jacques Chirac says:

    Thousands died?

    For a war of independence you should count yourself lucky.

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    Bob Geldof says:

    Give us all your fecking money

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    Connie Mara says:

    I think you’ll find that they were nominally neutral, but with rather more tacit assistance going to the UK and Allies. A few German spies don’t stack up as much as tens of thousands of volunteers for the British forces, or the establishment of radio navigation beacons and visual markers for the use of Coastal Command (not to mention overflight rights to increase the search range during the battle of the Atlantic).

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    Catalyst says:

    The Irish state did not side with Germany. The IRA tried to and various members were executed in Dublin for attempting to do so.

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    Gerry Mandering says:

    Nuke ‘em – and the French.

    Lets sort out Germany while we’re at it.

    ….and those colonials across the water. We need to sort them out too.

    UKIP know what to do!

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    Red Ed says:

    You were the greatest PM since Callaghan.

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    Another Guinness? says:

    Er, we’re still quite smug actually.

    “Owe the bank £100 and you worry. Owe them £1m and THEY worry.”

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    Fuckwit Twatter says:

    Fuckwits, the lot of them. Give’m a twat with a Wet Halibut, that’ll learn the Eiren buggers.

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    Dan says:

    “Just why did the Irish side with germany in WW2?”

    Englands difficulty is Irelands opportunity.

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    Herman Van Rompuy says:

    The age of the nation state is over and the idea that countries can stand alone is an illusion and a lie.

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    Anonymous says:

    I notice Sein Fein have been a bit silent on this one.

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    It's a cracker says:

    Why wasn’t Jesus born in Ireland?
    They couldn’t find 3 wise men and a 13 year old virgin

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    Dermot says:

    We were pretty unlucky in some ways (in recent years) but ultimately we’re reaping what we sowed: a bloated kleptocratic state, 460000 people on far-too-generous dole, overpaid public servants and a culture of entitlement. Having lived in the UK for a few years, I’m not sure that i fully understand the sense of smugness i’m picking up : those in glass-houses and all that..

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    ST says:

    I wonder what he based that analysis on? Because it’s a pile of bull shit.

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    Good idea – lets persuade the Irish they don’t want our cash.

    Keep up the good work Guido !

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    Yma o hyd says:

    I think that perhaps Guido is forgetting the events of 1282 when Wales was conquered by the English, who had no right to do any such thing. William the Conq may have had a claim on England, but not Wales.

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    Dan says:

    While this is true, it should not be forgotten that Da Valera made a fawning tribute to ‘Mr Hitler’, after the Austrian Corporal had blown his brains out.

    He also refused Churchills offer of the 6 counties, in return for full cooperation of the defence of these islands.

    That was a war in which no real neutrality could be taken.

    Remember Edmund Burke – ‘for evil to exist all good men have to do is nothing’

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    Eborgleve says:

    And after 400 years, they still want to come and live here. Stand-by, another ‘flood’ is on it’s way.

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    Jonathan says:

    Given that the extent of Red Ed’s knowledge can be inscribed on the head of a pin, not an endorsement of any worth!

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    Umm, in fact... says:

    People seem to be forgetting that the possible 6.6bn bailout by Britain is a loan, not some sort of Christmas present.

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    RIP Éire says:

    Is that why the Irish painted huge things on cliffs and on scrub on their west coast to aid American flights onward to the UK and Germany after flying across the Atlantic on comparatively rudimentary navigation instruments?

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    Germany and their French collaborators now own the UK main land
    as well as the floating bog
    thanks to Lie-Bore

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    Why fight the English for 400 years for sovereignty only to surrender it to Germany?

    They spent a fair few fight the Scots too, particularly in the North, so it might be be accurate to include a mention about a Scottish colony.

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    Gordon Ramsey says:

    Here here, fucking wankers. In my case it’s north of £10m

    Bastards, fuck off out of my kitchen you bunch of Hunts.

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    Anonymous says:

    You wouldn’t be smug if it was the other way round ?? Yeah, right…..

    You fell for a lie. You had the chance to say ‘no’ (twice), and even took it up the ar*se when they made you vote again, but in the end you took the Euro shilling.


    But yes, we may be joining you because we’re almost as stupid.

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    bombs away says:

    They’ve run out of money too.

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    Tychy says:

    i think that if ireland had sided with the allies, the germans would have invaded the country in a matter of days… then britain would have been attacked from both sides…

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    Smig says:

    I wouldn’t put deValera on a pedestal.

    deValera consistently held Ireland back during his Presidency.

    It would have been doing Ireland a massive favour if deValera has taken a bullet in Kilmainham.

    deValera was a revisionist. He also had a blame mentality. He found it easier to point the finger at Michael Collins instead of getting on with the job.

    deValera also expressed his condolences to the German embassy in Dublin on hearing of the death of Hitler.

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    Albi Here says:

    I think you really should check the history of the Irish during WWII,give you a clue how many joined the British military,did the Irish fire brigades go to help Belfast during the heavy bombing,did our military disappear from Southern Ireland to other places after being interned.

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    Jonathan says:

    Somewhat of an over-simplification of the relationship between the Welsh and the English in the early medieval period. By and large the Welsh princes were the architects of their own misfortune – something which is still not recognised today by those Welsh who seek to view the Principality’s past through rose tinted spectacles and hark back to a halcyon time which never in fact existed.

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    Old dog no tricks says:

    Indeed ! LOL !

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    sockpuppet #4 says:

    While we’re at it, we should blame the French. They started all this you know – Henry II wasn’t english.

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    Billy Bowden is the greatest umpire ever ! says:

    Fuck the EU Massive ponzi marxsist scam , And Ireland have a shit footie team , Yes the English aint any better and sell scotland

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    purpleline says:

    As Paul Mc-Charmley sang in 1970 “Give Ireland back to the Irish” After years of having Irish Catholic terrorists bombing us with tacit American support, we should leave them well alone and help them by repatriating any Irish in the UK.

    All those in the North >considered Anglo’s< who want to come across to UK leaving one big EU cesspit maybe an open prison. Need to get some Sharks to patrol the waters.

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    ST says:

    Maybe I’m missing something, so help me out.

    How will Ireland ever be able to service this ever growing debt? Surely they are at the stage where their economy will cannot conceivably grow fast enough to meet this commitment.

    That said, won’t this “bail out” just mean a ever more severe crisis will occur ever few years or so?

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    sockpuppet #4 says:

    Thats the French again.

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    I hate New Labour says:

    Nobody forced these muppets to vote yes in the EU referendum.

    They got frightened into joining, and now they’re going to pay the price.

    If the stupid Irish population could not see this coming, more fool them.

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    Old dog no tricks says:

    He’s been reading Gordons Manuscipt – ‘How to rule the world through financial incompetance, greed and theft’.

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    nonononono says:

    Fuck the Republic of Ireland. If the UK bails them out, we’ll never see a penny of the money back and the ungrateful fukcers wont utter a single word of thanks … on top of that, the idea of rescuing the irish economy with our money so that it is given a chance to repair itself to and compete for investment from overseas companies and potential UK employment is ludicrous.
    Fuck them, fuck them massively. The scum are still harbouring IRA firebombers who only this week burned down retail outlets in Belfast.

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    bombs away says:

    50/50 – greedy and corrupt Oirish feckers and the greedy and corrupt EU.

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    bergen says:

    It has never been helpped by having a political system based on two opposing parties of otherwise very similar peruasion divided by memories of the Civil War and mutual hatred rather than ideas.

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    Anonymous says:

    Correct. Could not have put it better myself.

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    Ampers says:

    Hahaha… love Gordon’s and Red Ed’s reply lol

    The problem with Ireland and the central bank in the EU is:

    Imagine a sine curve with regards to areas of a countries economics. Ireland and England are on the same curve as the USA, when we are “up” Continental Europe is down, when we are down, Continental Europe is down. Ireland and Britain should never align their currencies with Continental Europe.

    Maybe someone can explain this better than I can, but this is roughly the problem.


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    African Dictator says:

    Yeah, then give it to me, Bob, there’s a good fool. The limo’s and Learjets I bought with the last pile of dosh you gave me all need replacing.

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    EU & muzzies? no thanks says:

    Can’t the fucking muzzies and their huge extended families be shipped out to make way for them?

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    Sophie says:

    Conservative Party: Mealy mouthed Europhiles.

    £7 billion for Ireland whilst our troops are in theatre lacking the basics?

    That bares no resemblance to any true Conservative values I know.

    OT: Conservative Home is removing most comments that say nasty home truths against Hague & Team Dave.

    Meet the new bosses, same as the old bosses.

    Blue Labour out.

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    merchant wanker says:

    We’re fucking broke too. What rates of interest are at play here?

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    sockpuppet #4 says:

    Sounds unlikely. They were going to try to invade england with canal barges, don’t suppose they’d do well out in the atlantic. And don’t suppose they’d do well without air superiority.

    Also, they weren’t planning to invade the whole of england or scotland. Not worth capturing.

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    Hywel Dda says:

    Unlike Ireland, Wales was, and remains an English colony.

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    Anonymous says:

    Er, yes. But don’t tell anybody.

    There once was an Emporer who wanted a new suit………

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    EU & muzzies? no thanks says:

    All CallMeDave and his chums need to do is grow a backbone, give the UK a referendum and tell the EU where to go.

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    Disco Biscuit says:

    “The heir normally prefers to go by the name of George…”

    Though in reality it’s Gideon.

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    George Osborne Heir Apparent to the Baronetcy says:

    It’s a long way to Tipperary, It’s a long way to go

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    Ampers says:

    Ah yes, Da Valera!

    Although it wasn’t official Irish policy, Da Valera and his cronies did refuel German submarines during WW2.

    The countries in the BRITISH Isles are England, Scotland, Wales, Northern Ireland and Eire – together with the other smaller islands. I often wondered how the Eire politicians liked the idea they were in the BRITISH Isles.


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    Billy Bowden is the greatest umpire ever ! says:

    But canhe grow a backbone ?

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    Tessa Tickles says:

    It was a unified kingdom under a single Welsh monarch for about a month, once, wasn’t it?

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    Isn't it says:

    And Wales, useless whining bunch of inbred sheep shagging benefit scroungers.

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    Old dog no tricks says:

    So – we who are hopelessly endebted – are going to borrow more money to lend to the Irish – who can’t afford to pey it back ! Sound financial thinking that one ! Seem to remember some banks doing that a little while back – and look what happened ! Now we own their debts !

    Hey I’ve got a cunning plan – why don’t we just buy up all the shares in Ireland Plc. for the UK taxpayer ! That way, Irelands problems would be completely solved !

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    Guthrum says:

    Scotland sold for English cash in 1707, and the English are going to have to assist in the German bailout to save face.

    Great singing songs about independence, but the Irish ruling classses just could not cut it. Emigration has already started again big time, this time the English are not going to get the blame.

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    Site Manager says:

    So the old slogan, WIMPEY, will be heard again…..

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    Muslim Advisory Dept says:

    There’s not much room left.

  79. 79
    Harriet Harman says:

    Has anyone else noticed that the Liberal-Democrats, for the most part,are gingers?

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    You don’t like the French, do you socks…?

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    Prince Edward Theatre says:

    I went to that theatre once. I prefer the ones in the West End, especially around Old Compton Street now.

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    Anonymous says:

    It’s not like the Welsh to hold an unreasonable grudge against the English ??

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    Ampers says:

    “…the enemy of my enemy is my friend” The Arabs (and I believe also the Chinese) coined this but what a mistake that can be. I cite Sadam as an example.


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    Gideon George Paddy Osborne says:

    So Osborne is a bleeding Paddy? No wonder then that he is so keen to give them £6billion of our dosh.

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    Billy Vague says:

    Ireland – Right wing nutters, about to be bailed out by Gibeon and his band of right wing sympathizers.

    Yes Guido fans, Ireland is without doubt the most right wing country in Europe, always was and always has been. So think of it as helping out your own…..Still pissing myself.

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    Old dog no tricks says:

    Con Home now Labour list !

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    ST says:

    I was kind of hoping I was just being thick………………..

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    losing something of your idendity says:

    Oh Danny Boy, die Rohre sind die Rohre Aufruf
    Von Tal zu Tal und den Berg hinunter Seite
    Der Sommer ist gegangen, und alle Blumen sterben
    ‘Tis Sie, es ist mußt du gehen, und ich muss abwarten.
    Aber kommt ihr zurück, wenn der Sommer auf der Wiese ist
    Oder wenn das Tal still und weiß mit Schnee
    ‘Tis Ich werde hier sein im Sonnenschein oder im Schatten
    Oh Danny Boy, Oh Danny Boy, ich liebe dich so.

    Und wenn Sie kommen, wenn alle Blumen sterben
    Und ich bin tot, tot wie ich gut sein kann
    Sie kommen und finden Sie die Stelle, wo ich liege
    Und knien und sagen, ein “Ave” für mich da.

    Und ich werde hören, tho ‘weichen Sie mich über Lauffläche
    Und alle meine Träume werden warm und süßer sein
    Wenn Sie nicht umhin, mir zu sagen, dass du mich liebst
    Ich werde einfach in Frieden schlafen, bis du zu mir kommen.

    Ich werde einfach in Frieden schlafen, bis du zu mir kommen.

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    George Osborne says:

    That’s the nuclear waste problem sorted and they said it couldn’t be done.Cheap at half the price.

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    Mr Ned says:

    yes you are correct, but the short sighted Irish leadership doesn’t give a floiying fuck aboit the peepul.

    They want to buy enough time to land the leaders after them with the shit.

    Just like Brown did here!

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    Ampers says:

    Oi, what about our politicians?

    Don’t they deserve a mention?

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    Old dog no tricks says:

    Billy – does your last name entertain your grasp on political reality ?

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    Tessa Tickles says:

    What about George I? He couldn’t even speak English.

    Anyway, I’ve decided to blame the tiny country of Nauru. 8.5 square miles in area, 13,000 residents. What’s left of our armed forces should just about be able to conquer them, providing the Naurunese don’t put up any resistance.

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    Albi Here and here says:

    Billy,Scotland want to be free from the English yoke and get tied to the Euro yoke,who are we to deny those beautiful people that opportunity.

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    Austerity Works! says:

    Obey the IMF and you too could get a free £7bn from Osborne.

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    But.... says:

    Going from France to England it’s possible to avoid the Atlantic…..

  97. 97

    Edmund Burke – ‘for evil to exist all good men have to do is nothing’

    No doubt bin Laden says the same

    Who gets to define what evil is?

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    Smig says:

    Shurely the Most incompetent and destructive PM since Callaghan.

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    Tessa Tickles says:

    Don’t forget the Cornish. They bleat for independence, too, except for when it rains a bit and they suddenly want unlimited fin*ancial assistance.

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    giant gonad says:

    Very strange to think that £7bn could do anything. Does George have a cunning plan?

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    Mr Ned says:

    Even the BBC had to apologise for that vile slander. Bob must have some fucking ferocious lawyers with a massive pile of evidence for the BBC to issue so many craven and grovelling apologies to him.

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    Hooray for the Irish Bankers! says:

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    Peter Grimes says:

    Bloody hell, Guido, you will be telling us Boy George is another Fenian get soon!

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    Billy Vague says:

    Yes – thanks for asking. Now go back to apologizing on behalf of Cockead, Gidders, and the Gay Ones

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    Dan says:

    Ampers – yes, I was on a date once with an Irish lass, who when I mentioned the fact that Ireland was part of the British Isles promptly blew me out!!

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    sockpuppet #4 says:

    they’re OK.

    Just like to give them a bit of blame too.

    Cameraphone - Rue Bobby Sands

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    Mr Ned says:

    New world order for dummies book.

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    Mornington Crescent says:

    Indeed, OH. Gerry O’Semtex Adams’ move to the Republic gives a pretty good clue; looks like the poor bastard is too late, tho’.

    Oh, the irony.

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    Osama the Nazarene says:

    Your right there pussy. We had an excellent pensions industry built up for years and along came one G Brown as Chancellor and flushed it down the pan.

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    Dan says:

    OH – who gets to define what evil is?

    Er, God.

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    Stop funding Labour with my licence fee says:

    It started in America

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    jgm2 says:

    So, basically, everybody is to blame. The politicians, the bankers and the daft fuckers who bought into this economic ponzi scheme.

    Just like in the UK.

    But in the UK it ‘started in America’.

    Who did the Irish politicians blame?

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    Mornington Crescent says:

    Yup, another 50. That makes 150 out of 100 – classic EU accounting.

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    Mr Ned says:

    No we are NOT that stupid. Why do you think that the powers that be here have consistently refused to give us a referendum on the EU at all?

    They know we would not be so stupid, we would vote a resounding NO! and when given another we would vote NO by an even bigger margin, and keep voting no again and again.

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    Billy Bowden is the greatest umpire ever ! says:

    And the English want to be free from scrounging noisey nieghbours !

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    Anglo Irish Bank says:

    Please give generously. Our bonuses won’t pay themselves.

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    bombs away says:

    Apologies. 33/33/34.

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    RumpeyPumpeySlumpey says:

    The reason they are sucking up to the EU is that they were bribed to do so. The EU needed Ireland to join the euro…hoping that somehow this would persuade the UK to join to. So, huge amounts of money were poured in…referendums were re-run until the “right” result was achieved. Now it’s all gone tits up, more money will be poured in. Our money.

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    Albi Here and here says:

    I thought Scotland sold it’s soul trying to set colonies in South America and were bankrupted trying,that’s why we were “United” they took the English shilling.

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    sockpuppet #4 says:

    But from france to Ireland ?

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    jgm2 says:

    Same reason he wasn’t born in Newcastle.

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    Albi Here and here says:

    moderated again

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    feckers says:

    Not necessarily, he’s just a media whore like the BBC is.

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    Dermot says:

    thanks for your thoughtful and informative comment..

    actually i’d prefer if u didn’t give us money but instead lent us a couple of red-coat battalions to take care of the imbecile fuck-heads who’ve run this place into the ground, but it seems your troops are busy at the moment fighting wars they can never win using money borrowed from british kids who haven’t even been born yet.

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    Tessa Tickles says:

    Oh, we’ll get the blame.

    I can see it now: our £7bn gift is really an evil English plot to gain fin*ancial sovereignty of Ireland.

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    Mr Ned says:

    But they’ll happily take our tax handouts and subsidies. Just like the Scots.

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    The Court of Public Opinion says:

    But this is what the Irish people signed up for! The British haven’t even been given that luxury – all they got was a Cast Iron guaranteed lie. If the pound had tanked and the Euro soared the irish would have won the bet, they lost and are now whining. The Irish *people* that is – you can’t do what the British are rightly doing and blame the politicians.

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    Anglo Irish Bank says:

    Nothing to do with us.

    P.S. Give us your cash Osborne.

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    Billy Bowden is the greatest umpire ever ! says:

    Will the real Tory party please stand up ?

  131. 131
    Moderater (cheif) says:

    Yeah the boss has a hangover .

  132. 132
    Anglo Irish Bank says:

    Who was doing the corrupting?

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    Billy Vague says:

    Gideon Oscock

    Less than a year ago stated.

    “”Ireland stands as a shining example of the art of the possible in long-term economic policymaking”””

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    Court of Public Opinion says:

    Hear hear!

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    I feel ‘peckish’ all of a sudden….

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    They won't like it up 'em says:

    The liberal tories are showing their true colours. They are more left wing than labour in some ways. They have no time at all for conservatism, and have turned their backs on conservatives. They aree screwing the middle classes more than even Snotter did. As much as I despise and hate and loathe labour for all they have done to this country I feel like voting for them at the next election just to teach team cameron and his wet bunch of etonian fops a lesson…don’t fuck with your core voters.

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    Mr Ned says:

    There’s no sign of it yet, but who knows? Stem cell technology is advancing at a rapid pace. Some bright fucker from Oxford or Cambridge should get working on growing a spine for him ASAP!!!

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    Blackburn Pie Eater says:

    Basic maths Ampers, out of phase by pi/4 radians, simples!

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    Sleepless in Kirkaldy says:

    A new Irish government may decide to default, blaming Biffo and his pals

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    Anonymous says:

    You have to laugh don’t you!

    So we aren’t ruled by Brussels either?

    75% of the laws come from Euroland and even Dave and William have given in to.

    The juggernaut thunders on and the Germans are well in control. You may as well surrender.

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    Anonymous says:

    If there was another European vote would the Irish be tricked again ?

    Yes, they probably would, ‘cos they’re effing thick. Next time it’ll probably be “we’ve got to stay in otherwise we’re proper f*cked”.

    What a farce…….can’t remember signing up for this, chaps.

  142. 142
    Get it right says:

    “contemplates rescuing the Irish BANKERS with English pounds.”

  143. 143
    Mr Ned says:

    We could borrow a couple of billion pounds to send the entire population on holiday and take over their land whilst they are away!

  144. 144
    jgm2 says:

    The whole ‘Arc of Prosperity’ turning into an ‘Arc of insolvency’ is all very embarrassing for the pudding-faced Celtic twat Alex Salmond.

    I expect the Scots, showing their typical attention to detail and grasp of economics, to sent Alex h-o-o-o-mewards to think again and then replace him with an even more brain-fucked version of the beetrooot-faced Jack McConnell.

  145. 145
    Jonathan says:


    Somewhat more than a month and on more than one occasion – under Llywelyn Fawr in the thirteenth century (he established the Principality of Wales in 1216) and again during the early fifteenth century under Owain Glyndwr. Throughout the medieval history of Wales its native princes were quite willing (when it suited them) to seek English assistance to wage their interminable internal and often fratricidal wars – something their modern day descendants often choose to ignore.

  146. 146
    Billy Bowden is the greatest umpire ever ! says:

    In that case our mps/ministers should take a 75% pay cut

  147. 147
    LarryTheLamb says:

    I love it when you talk dirty xxx

  148. 148
    Eborgleve says:

    Now’s your chance Dermot – Go and do it.

  149. 149
    jgm2 says:

    No need for red-coats. Why don’t the IRA get stuck into the Irish politicians themselves instead.

    I’m sure they’d have massive public support.

  150. 150
    Dick the Prick says:

    @Dan – better than blowing you up! I’ll get me coat.

  151. 151
    Show Pony says:

    So should KP.

  152. 152
    Shamus O'Cunt says:

    It would be interesting to see what the EU capital inputs were prior to the Lisbon treaty decision u turn….playing pass the funding to matey property developers to support over-inflated balance sheets soaked up everything in
    the pot…now the train hits the buffers….frig the Irish let ‘em sink or swim…preferably sink without trace.

  153. 153
    dr. sipp says:

    EUROPEAN song contest


    to much expected

  154. 154
    OiOi says:

    Conhome is one of the reasons why Conservatives are power sharing with the limp-dims.There are only ten in all,Cameron and warsi are two more.

    They can have those three reasons for free.

  155. 155
    Mr Ned says:

    Then you will be repeating the same fucking mistake over and over and wondering why this country is fucked!

    The only way out is to vote for true conservatives, UKIP! At least you will have a clear conscience that your vote did not help make this country worse.

    Voting UKIP in massive numbers and telling Cameron why his party is about to be annihilated would send a much more positive message than voting labour.

  156. 156
    Anonymous says:

    It’s a shame CallMeDave and Hague the vague don’t default on the previous administration’s slavish adoration of all things EU and tell the bastards to F off.

  157. 157
    Anonymous says:

    I think I spotted one, over there, quick look before it’s too late.

  158. 158
    andrew says:

    I thought we were almost bankrupt, we can,t lend Sheffield Forgemasters £80 million to create good jobs that would pay for itself 1000 times over.Yet we can lend Ireland £6-8 billion where does the cash come from ,AS WE WERE TOLD THE £80 MILLION TO SF WOULD BOUNCE.

    Andrew Edinburgh

  159. 159
    Mike Hunt says:

    flushed US down the pan.

  160. 160
    Billy Bowden is the greatest umpire ever ! says:

    Yeah but he doesnt take taxpayers money , While lazy treasonious mps and ministers do

  161. 161
    Billy Bowden is the greatest umpire ever ! says:

    Damm I missed it !

  162. 162
    Arfur says:

    New a Raf pilot personality missed the isle of Man in a storm crash landed in Eire interned for the rest of the war, Even showed me pictures and cuttings from the Irish press

  163. 163
  164. 164
    Sleepless in Kirkaldy says:

    Well, the French are here already: London has more French citizens than Lille, France’s 7th largest city.

  165. 165
    Sophie says:

    Really p*ss off Team Rusty Dave – vote UKIP.

  166. 166
    EUuurgh says:

    You’d eat Tessa Jowell’s Olympic pussy given half a chance.

  167. 167
    Mr Ned says:

    it’s called UKIP

  168. 168
    back end of beyond says:

    I’m not surprised. Have you been to Lille?

  169. 169
    Mike Hunt says:

    U.S. foreign policy in a sentence.

  170. 170
    jgm2 says:


    Don’t worry though. It’ll all be laundered via the EU so that the fuckwits can claim that it wasn’t the UKs money at all. And anyway, sure, aren’t they entitled to it after all youse English bastards did to us 400 years ago. Lucky we only took 7bn you c*u*n*t*s.

    You just know it.

  171. 171
    dick alert says:

    and get team fuckfeist back led by red ed and his little boy colleagues…what a truely great result your protest vote would give us…wake up

  172. 172
    Valerie Singleton says:

    I could make one for him out of some old egg cartons and sticky-backed plastic.

  173. 173
    rick says:

    We could of course, just stay out of other people’s countries.

  174. 174
    Anonymous says:

    People don’t know when they’re well off. They have to start shouting about the ‘in-justice’ of it all.

    F*ck ‘em. They wanted independence, they’ve got it. F*ck ‘em.

  175. 175
    Billy Bowden is the greatest umpire ever ! says:

    And the EU will spin it that if they hadnt passed the lisbon treaty they would have been complaety shafted

  176. 176
    A Leprachaun with a Blackberry says:

    surley she blew you off?

  177. 177
    English Heretic says:

    Yep, Home Rule For England! (Tiocfaidh ár lá)

  178. 178
    sockpuppet #4 says:

    Well thats a big pile of pro-bush american shite too.

    All that was kicked off because the French weren’t going to get down on their knees and say “whatever you like Mr. Bush”. It was nice that the americans let the irish off for not supporting them.

    They’d have come out with years of “saved your limey ass” nonesense if Blair hadn’t taken us in. Good old Mr. Blair.

  179. 179
    Arfur says:

    Scottish Banks, the lloyd’s problem is Hbos debt, who told victor blank to buy Hbos Oh that clucking idiot from kirkcaldy.
    Still once the whole of the World is bankrupt I guess the new world order will have their one government.

  180. 180
    Stan Butler says:

    They go bust, we take their houses and beemers. I’d like a nice holiday home in Kerry on the cheap.

  181. 181
    Mr Ned says:

    They should give the English free Guinness for life after this!

  182. 182
    Craigoh says:

    Well, whoop-dee-doo.

    Tell that one to the men of the English-speaking Commonwealth countries who died in their thousands defending Blighty and Freedom in the fight against fascism in WWII.

  183. 183
    Tessa Tickles says:

    That’s a good plan! We could send them all to Pontins; we could get a good deal at the moment.

  184. 184
    jgm2 says:

    My apologies. When I said ‘pudding-faced Celtic twat Alex Salmond’ I, of course, meant ‘pudding-faced Pictish twat Alex Salmond’.

  185. 185
    Stan Butler says:

    The British, as usual.

  186. 186
    jgm2 says:

    No. That’s who the BBC blamed.

  187. 187
    Billy Bowden is the greatest umpire ever ! says:

    would you notice the difference ?

  188. 188
    Schrödinger's cat says:


    “Given that the extent of Red Ed’s knowledge can be inscribed on the head of a pin…”

    …in very large type.

  189. 189
    Steve Miliband says:

    Slight digression;

    Legacy of Labour summed up;

    X Factor
    Incapacity benefits

  190. 190
    Great Granddad says:

    7bn? They are going to need to sell a lot of potatos to pay that off. And we are going to need to sell a lot of Chicken Vindaloo to one another to raise it in the first place.

  191. 191
    Arfur says:

    His native shithole Belgium

  192. 192
    Budgie says:

    A bit like the lights of Dublin, then, which were highly useful to German bombers en route to Belfast and Liverpool.

    I spoke about 40 years ago to an old lady, living on the coast of Eire, who complained about the dreadful noise the (laden) bombers made. I didn’t bother pointing out that my parents were bombed in Liverpool.

  193. 193
    Cardinal del Monte says:

    “Who gets to define what evil is?” (Old Holborn)

    Er, that’s we have dictionaries for, isn’t it?

  194. 194
    lola says:

    Once we’d got over the whole Empire thing our foreign policy seems to have been based on supporting the self determination of sovereign peoples everywhere.

    Ireland is our friend and neighbour. I do not see how helping Ireland out from under another proto-totalitarian bureaucratic overlordship would offend those that fought for Irish independence from England. For God’s sake, it’s the least we can do.

    This is a prime opportunity to put the boot into the Eurocracy and begin to help all sovereign peoples (including the Germans who are funding all this nonsense) re-establish freedom and accountability throughout Europe.

    If only fucking Hague had the fucking balls……

  195. 195
    Schrödinger's cat says:

    But they would have gained Knock and the weeping statue … surely an immense advantage.

  196. 196
    jgm2 says:

    And therefore it is only ‘right’ that we bung them 7bn quid.

    Of course. That’ll be the logic.

    You can just see the thick fuckers down at ‘Maher’s B*r and Lo*nge’

    ‘Sure if the British weren’t to blame then why are they giving us 7bn quid, answer me that. I’ll tell you why – guilty fucking conscience is why…’

    ‘Oh you’re dead right Colm, so you are..dead right, blood money is all it is…sure aren’t we entitled to at least that anyway after all the suffering we’ve had over the centuries..’

    You’ve as much chance of getting thanks for helping a Mu*lim after an earthquake.

  197. 197
    Tessa Tickles says:

    I hadn’t noticed that, Hattie.

    However, I had noticed that you’re deputy leader of Ed Miliband’s New Generation Labour Party. Who was the deputy leader of Gordon Brown’s Old Generation Labour Party?

  198. 198
    Schrödinger's cat says:

    Can we arrange a pipe out to the Adriatic? Don’t know about TT but I would syphon some off.

  199. 199
    Chris Huhne says:

    Well fuck me slowly !!!!

    Britain slumped into the red by another £10.3 billion last month despite a leap in business tax and VAT revenues, figures revealed today.

    Public sector net borrowing in October set a record high for the month and marked an increase on the £10.1 billion seen a year earlier, according to the Office for National Statistics (ONS

  200. 200
    Mr Ned says:

    So we are following the “YES car credit” financial model for Ireland are we? FFS! That ended well didn’t it?

    let’s lend loads of money to people who we know cannot pay it back! fucking Genius idea!

  201. 201
    Fancy that says:

    There was a recent book about a vampire called “The historian”.
    I believe a certain Gordon Brown was also a Historian and he bled the economy dry did he not.

  202. 202
    Tim Yates says:

    How exactly would Germany have invaded Ireland from France with no proper landing craft or support ships? How would they have crossed the English Channel and rounded Cornwall with the Luftwaffe out of range, only 2, at best, capital ships, no aircraft carriers and the RAF and Royal Navy attacking them 24 hours a day? It would have made the Spanish Armada look like a brilliant success.

  203. 203
    Schrödinger's cat says:

    If I was going to solvency, I would not be starting from Tralee. To be sure.

  204. 204
    Mr Ned says:

    Valerie, it would be better than what he has now!

  205. 205
    Arfur says:

    No need all treaties self amending since Lisbon, that’s why slippery Dave got away with his referendum promise. the power is is Brussels now

  206. 206
    Makes Sense Innit says:

    Make them an offer for the North.Relinquish all claims in perpetuity.Send the Nationalist Catholics South as part of the deal,after they have waived all individual claims for them and their posterity.

  207. 207
    Ho Lee Fok says:

    What for you ask EU for money? We give big time and only want nice harbour in Cork. We got plans! Ask Mr Berlusconi and them Greek fella!

  208. 208
    Tessa Tickles says:

    And illiterate undergraduates.

  209. 209
    spide says:

    Joey Barton

  210. 210
    Budgie says:

    Just think, if we didn’t give £7 billion to Eire, £9 billion via DfID and upwards of £100 billion to the EU, the UK would be free of the majority of the deficit.

  211. 211
    Vimeiro says:

    Not forgetting Henry Tudor was Welsh.

  212. 212
    Mr Ned says:

    Good idea, just don’t tell them ahead of time what a shithole those parks are.

    It was the BBC Watchdog report on how filthy and dangerous the accommodation is that caused a load of cancellations that lead directly to Pontin’s going into receivership.

    So don’t tell them where they are going. It could be a mystery holiday.

  213. 213
    Anonymous says:

    Hear hear!

  214. 214
    jgm2 says:

    Absolutely right. If you want a real good belly laugh then I suggest you read this.

    How a country gets a reputation for being ‘good with money’ after a debacle like that is a mystery to me.

    The Darien peninsula is the last great hurdle – still not even attempted – to having a road linking North and South Am*r*ca. And it is here that the great and good of Fucking Scotland thought they’d establish a colony.

    All I can say is that Scotland obviously invented PR and ‘spin’ long before anybody else otherwise they’d (rightly) be mocked as the thickheads of Europe after a cock-up like that.

  215. 215
    Mr Ned says:

    I was laughing may ass off when Salmond was marching to prevent the closure of a BRITISH air base in Scotland. Funny how he is not British, unless he wants more of our fucking money!

  216. 216
    Budgie says:

    Gordon saved the world – it was the right thing to do.

  217. 217
    The Golem says:

    I hope so, but Emperor Rumpo may have sent him with a piece of paper. Sign here and all will be well!

  218. 218
    Anonymous says:

    The tosser knows bugger all. Even Darling had more gravitas than him too.

  219. 219
    Arfur says:

    Apparently the thermal cut out on Gordon’s printing press has cooled now

  220. 220
    Mr Ned says:

    That is why the only way to get a difference is to vote UKIP into power.

  221. 221
    Tessa Tickles says:

    You can have Cornwall for £2trillion. Another £500m and we’ll give you 5 million sl*ave labourers; they’re currently civil servants so they’re unaccustomed to real work, but a bit of training should do wonders.

  222. 222
    OiOi says:


    UK government borrowing at £10.3bn in October

  223. 223
    the beast of wexford says:

    Bi George takes it the arse from some paddies
    Np surprise there

  224. 224
    Albi Here and here says:

    Billy one shouldn’t get these beautiful peoples backs up by calling them names as they may change their minds and want to stay,we should be nice to them while we help them on with their hats and coats.

  225. 225
    Ho Lee Fok says:

    And we can create new Hong Kong for Europe. Just need liberation and we got whole Army of them!
    Forget Opium Wars. This Guinness wars. More funny for us anyway.

  226. 226
    Anonymous says:

    Oh fuck off Mr Ned, the only thing The English gave the world was Morris Dancing and recreational Buggery. You cant even define your own national Identity FFS !!!

  227. 227
    Ho Lee Fok says:

    That why I here! Dave sold me this last week in Shanghai.

  228. 228
    Hu Flung That says:

    we tlink irish peeples wants lots chineesey things

  229. 229
    Confused says:

    u talk irish very well

  230. 230
    Billy Vague says:

    Am I guessing that the Honeymoon is over

  231. 231
    Mr G Brown, Kirkcaldy on Forth says:

    Revisionist and Blame mentality eh , sounds like someone after my own heart

  232. 232
    Damned if you do, damned if you don't says:

    And if we don’t hand over the money, it’ll be the ‘evil English are trying to starve us again’.

    What ever we’ll do, you can guaranteed we’ll be hated for it.

  233. 233
    Some examples of the finest English culture says:

    any old iron any old iron, doin the Lambeth walk Oi ! My ole mans a dustman… thats it

  234. 234
    Billy Vague says:

    Communities in England will get the power to decide where shops, offices and homes are to be built, Porky Pie Pickles will make announce today.

    Answer: Dublin, Cork and Limerick…..Ho Hum

  235. 235
    jgm2 says:

    Remember last October’s figures were distorted somewhat by printing 200bn quid last year. Imagine what last October’s figures would have looked like without printing 200bn quid (about 17bn quid a month).

  236. 236
    Largely incoherent says:

    I like the Irish, despite the way they’ve spent a good part of my life trying in various ways to kill me because of my nationality.

    I like them because of that match at Croke Park. Even though they won.

    If helping them would actually help, then . . . . we should help.

  237. 237
    The Question jgm2 Refuses to answer says:

    jgm2 , where were you on election night ?

  238. 238
    Budgie says:

    Tom Rafferty said: “This is all to do with greed and corruption – nothing to do with the EU.” As Dan said: “oh, the irony”.

    So, TR, it is now “greedy and corrupt” to want to own your own house? So, it is now “greedy and corrupt” for banks to provide mortgages so that you can own your own house?

    Back to reality, this happened because the Euro interest rate was too low for the Eire economy for a few years in the noughties (it is now too high). Indeed Brown made the same mistake with UK interest rates, with the same consequences. But that was his choice. The Irish were saddled with what the ECB forced on them. That is what is wrong with the Euro, and hence it is the fault of the EU.

  239. 239
    StrongholdBarricades says:

    The historical irony,

    but who is going to be blamed this time for the mass emmigration of the Irish, who want to seek work and feed their families?

    Better George stays away, and remains “neutral” if possible

  240. 240
    Anonymous says:

    when u were “laughing your ass off” I hope jgm2 didnt get hurt as he spends all his time up it mate.

  241. 241
    EU League Club says:

    You’re not guessing, you’re right!

  242. 242
    jgm2 says:

    Better just keep the 7bn quid then. Same reason as when, if there’s a natural disaster in Africa then The Great British Public collects and sends 200 million quid but if there’s one in P*k*s*an then the Great British Public sends them a fiver and tells them not to come begging for any more.

    You’ll get fuck all thanks. Quite the opposite. They’ll just use the money you send ‘em to fuck you over at some point down the line.

  243. 243
    Mike Hunt says:

    Oliver Cromwell
    William III

  244. 244
    Anonymous says:

    it was 1972 actually. Fucking standards have dropped here mate.

  245. 245
    FalseFlag says:

    Dear Concrete Pump,

    When you owe 153k to a bank, they own you. When you owe 153 billion to a bank, you own them.

  246. 246
    Anonymous says:

    The lights of Dublin will be shining less brightly from now on.

  247. 247
    jgm2 says:

    Brown did not make a ‘mistake’. He deliberately rigged them low precisely to create a housing boom and a national sense of (wholly false) prosperity. Because happy voters vote for the party that makes them happy.

    Fuck prudence.

    Fuck the economy.

    Let some other c*u*n*t pick up the pieces. Look at me ma – top of the world.

  248. 248
    Anonymous says:

    Mr Ned UKIP is a party for the UNITED KINGDOM . Now you clearly hate the Scots and the Welsh so why would you be voting for them ???? Perhaps you should follow your own logic and vote for an English National party, you really need to think your political ideas through, your all over the place mate.

  249. 249
    Anonymous says:

    Why? Are you looking for an alibi?

  250. 250
    Spare some dollars for the Corrs says:

    Perhaps the Orish in the US would like to chip in some money to help the ‘old country’.

    It would even be legal this time round.

  251. 251
    an electrician says:

    The lights of Dublin will be shining less brightly from now on.

  252. 252
    Albi Here and here says:

    I think ms Tickles you will find the EUSSR owns Cornwall and your rights of ownership were given away for a few pensions by our politicians and as it’s due to become part of Normandy,they won’t sell,civil servants surely that should be uncivil servants,they were also given away to the EUSSR by their masters for the same reasons.

  253. 253
    Bail Out Mk. II says:

    Billions more euros and pounds are being poured into the Irish banking network.

    If we don’t the economy will collapse (so we’re told).

    If we do the economy will stagnate and drag for a generation, with the resulting austerity and debt being left to taxpayers.

    This is no longer about left vs right. This is about a small, influential cartel who dominate our political system, of whom we do not have the will, or the power to say ‘no’ to.

    This is about liberty, about real capitalism, and about society, all at the same time.

    We need to wake. The bailouts, with our money, will keep coming.

  254. 254
    nmj says:

    You’d help a Muslim?

  255. 255
    Anglo Irish Bankers says:

    We’re extremely well off.

  256. 256
    Civil Servant says:

    Are you going to admit you were wrong about the Irish approach to the economy?

  257. 257
    Albi Here and here says:

    I think you will find the Irish, will if they have to emigrate,will go to the USof A and to NZ and Australia,why would they want to come to the 3rd world country of Britain,to work and have their kids educated to such low standards.

  258. 258
    Anglo Irish Bankers says:

    Nothing to do with us.

  259. 259
    Eire - leave the Euro!! says:

    Bail out for the ‘Free State – Cowen should leave the Euro or resign!

  260. 260
    Cato Street Conspirator says:

    ‘O’Connell, de Valera and Collins must be turning in their graves as the heir to the Baronetcy of Ballentaylor, in County Tipperary, and Ballylemon, in County Waterford, contemplates rescuing the Irish Republic with English pounds.’

    Can’t possibly be true though, can it? As Mr Fawkes said on WEDNESDAY, DECEMBER 9, 2009:

    ‘The Budget Britain Needs Was Delivered in Ireland… the Finance Minister Brian Lenihan delivered a 7% cut in public expenditure to match the 7.5% fall in GDP in 2009. To equal that Alastair Darling would need to have announced £40 billion in public expenditure cuts today.

    Here are some of the reasons Guido thinks Ireland will bounce back faster than the UK…’

    Surely Ireland will be rescuing Britain?

  261. 261
    Axe The Telly Tax says:

    Why don’t the Micks go to Ocean Finance for a fuckin’ loan.

  262. 262
    stun says:

    ** Applause **

  263. 263

    I would just like to make a suggestion which is as follows. Until recently and by recently I mean Tuesday evening there was a chorus of claims in the mainstream media that the bailout of UK banks had gone so well that they could be sold off soon.

    Now we are offering money to Ireland with many including me suspecting that at the bottom of this is fear as to what would happen to the exposure our banks have in Ireland if she defaulted. So in the blink of an eye we appear to have gone from Happy Christmas War is Over to possible insolvency again. Accordingly I question the competency of those who made such reports and feel that they should explain themselves.

    As to Ireland I wish her well in difficult times but as I wrote today in a letter to the Evening Standard ever since the annoucement of its “shock and awe” rescue package in early May Euro zone politicians have done little but boast about it. Now we find it is called upon to help what is a relatively a small nation and yet they want to drag the UK into the situation. So yet again things are not as they appear or have been claimed to be.

  264. 264
    Aesop o'Sardis says:

    It was probably complete delusion (and a glass or two of brandy) but did anybody else detect a wicked smile on Georgie’s (and others’) chops when talking about stepping in to help the Irish.

    Please tell me this is bollocks….

    So the Irish people told their government to feck off ya numpties’ re. Europse. So, The EUSSR bribed the Irish to buggery with cheap money and promises of all sorts of meretricious goodies so they changed their minds. Then it all turns to rat shit.

    Heads they win, tails we lose.

    You have been had you dicks!

    As will we all, time after fecking time after fecking time until we are all as poor as church mice except for Kinnoch, Rumpy, Horseface Ashton and all the rest of the communist lunatic classes.

    Today, I implore you, do your bit for the environment and kill an oxygen thieving unelected Euro commissar. No wait, we will have to pay even more billions for their security! Buggah.

  265. 265
    Dearg says:

    De Valera wasn’t even born in Ireland. What saved him from a hanging in 1916 was the fact he was born in the USA.

    I hope De Valera is actually ploughing the cemetery, no rest for the wicked.

  266. 266
    Gerry Mandering says:

    To the accompaniment of an Karl’s Bavarian Brass oompah band.

  267. 267
    Justice _ 4 maddy says:

    This must be why that murdering bastard is bailing out of Westminster – perhaps he can sniff an eu commissioner’s seat, and from there be able to inflict some pain on England.

  268. 268
    Osama the Nazarene says:

    Irish Corporation Tax to go up! What else will the Germans demand? Tiger economy ends with a whimper.

  269. 269
    Dan says:

    Yes, his govt never broke off diplomatic relations with the German legation or the Axis powers throughout the war.

  270. 270
    Brendan O' Behave says:

    Because you were “turkeys that voted (twice) for Xmas”!

  271. 271
    Anonymous says:

    Where were you on election night jgm2 ?

  272. 272
    Anonymous says:

    Mr Ned your thinking is inconsistent. see 250 above

  273. 273
    International Banker says:

    Pay attention.

    All Governments are subsidising me.

  274. 274
    Anonymous says:

    jgm2 have you no work to do since your always on here ? Except election night of course when you unexpectedly went awol. Strange that, wonder why that was ?

  275. 275
    Tiptop says:

    He changed his name from Giddyboy O’Sbourne?

  276. 276
    purpleline says:

    Annony how the fuck do you know he never sang it in 1970 but released it in 72?

    H e might have had a bath in the front room of his farm house for all you know.

  277. 277
    FalseFlag says:

    A Letter from Ireland
    Andrew, you are correct to ask where the money has come from seeing as the U.K. is in a far more precarious financial position than Ireland. Your ‘leaders’ who have their eyes wide open are squirreling their money offshore to British Virgin Islands, Austria because of their banking secrecy act since 1995 and to the old favorite of Switzerland to ol’ dogs like Credit Suisse.

    The fact is the U.K. would be listed as providing in the region of €7 billion in this European loan at around 5% interest (that is likely been negotiated from approx 6-6.25%). This represents approx 7% of the overall loan offer. It is a loan shark pushing a loan on a person who says no thanks.

    Next surprise; the British public who usually have their eyes wide shut will slowly understand that banks in Ireland (particularly Anglo Irish Bank known as Anglo, and not to be confused with AIB Allied Irish Bank) have been used by the top 3% of Britain & Europe’s rich to gamble and speculate through various dubious financial products and mechanisms like risky bank bonds without due diligence, CDF’s (Credit Default Swaps) and Securitization (wrapping one good loan, i.e. likely to be repaid, with two duds like a U.S. car buyer on credit. The people you are talking about is Lloyd’s who also own Ulster Bank (mortgage default exposure), Credit Suisse, GSAMI Goldman Sachs, Rothschild Compagnie de Gestion.

    Now as you realise many British banks have been gambling with your hard earned pension you are relying on in old age, ask yourself who was regulating this, and how did they allow this to occur? Well, by taking aside Ireland’s financial regulator and subtly threatening him using the gangster Bertie and ZanuFF who paid off Union leaders, they were able in the City of London to present an FSA and their counterparts in Frankfurt and the U.S. (apart from the odd perp walk) as protectors of fiscal probity, meanwhile allowing the big time players to go wild in the gambling den of the I.F.S.C. in Dublin.

    Ireland was being used by the rest of Europe as a conduit to gamble, and now it is being used as a conduit to pay German, French, British and American gamblers back because they lost big-time. Roman Abromavich is trying to sue as a first step of recurse before negotiation, but he may yet get British taxpayers money to buy more footballers. They are using taxpayer’s money in each country to pay it back via this stability fund.

    Angela Merkel knows the German public would not let her directly give their money back to those with obscene wealth in Germany, so she is forcing Ireland to give it to give it to certain banks where German speculators lost out so that they can be paid back, and then they send the money back to Austria so it can be hidden there until the markets settle down and normal order of power can be resumed.

    Why is this occurring? because Irish, British and all voters in the West vote in people who often don’t understand the difference between the budget deficit and the national debt, because we allow regulators to police people with more knowledge than they hold about financial transactions, because the new financial crime unit to be set up in Britain will not now as promised be in control of key responsibilities, instead the Tory/Lib Dem Govt. have quietly given powers back to the ineffectual FSA. They even used the royal engagement news to bury the story so no one would ask questions.

    The late David Ervine once told me the fairest way to judge a man is by his actions, not his words. Nick Clegg is from Sheffield; yet he will not act to help his own people because of Britain being a hostage to GATT like agreements, be it horse trading cotton for sugar, bananas for steel. He flip flopped on Education cuts, one of the principle planks of his programmed for government. What hope have you with your current electoral system if even he lets you down?
    Ireland does not want Britain or Europe’s filthy lucre. We have already given your speculators €120 billion and slashed our budget deficit including producing a 4 year budgetary forecast to rectify the issue so that we are approx at a respectable 3% budget deficit all things considered. We are well funded for the entire fiscal year next year. That said we will probably negotiate a package that can be accessed at short notice in the event it is needed, I.E. IN CASE OF EMERGENCY BREAK GLASS

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    Brendan O' Behave says:

    They voted for it! Noisy neighbours are such a bore!

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    Where's my black cap? says:

    You mean by putting their crooked politicians on trial? I’ll go along with that.

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    I am rather confused that our leaders offered to lend the bogtrotters £7B when we oursleves had to borrow £10.8 B last month ourselves

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    Article I, subpara 3(iii) says:

    Despite what it may say in the text, all treaties can be withdrawn from (or simply torn up). All that is need is a government with some spheroids to do the necessary.

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    Pacific traveller says:

    Tessa, thank you for your suggestion. You do know of course that the only thing the Nauruans export is guano (that’s the local word for 2000 years’ worth of birdshit). And they all suffer from obesity and diabetes too. Believe me – it’s a very good place to keep well away from.

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    Anonymous says:

    Indeed. Which is why the Soviet Union refused to allow Eire’s joining of the UN for so many years.

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    Jon says:

    What do you mean exactly? Irish people also died in their thousands defending Blighty and the Allies from Nazis.

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    King Billy says:

    Same old Taigs always looking for someone else to blame for their own.

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    Anonymous says:

    You were wrong about the Irish economy Guido. So was fawning Gideon back in 2006. Ireland out neo-libbed even the UK (stunning accomplishment as we out neo-lib the US ourselves). And now it has all gone wrong.

    Financialisation of the economy along with de-regulation and free (financial) markets makes for a poor country. Now everything is buggered up well and proper but still all that we are offered are more Friedmanite voodoo ‘cures’ like QE and bail outs of the very institutions who ruined it for us all.

    This is very serious and people need to start admitting they were wrong and that monetarist, free markets were a disaster. If we can’t admit that then we are f*****

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    Peter Grimes says:

    It was our previous ‘leaders’ in the hideous shape of ZaNuLieBor who signed up to future Euro bail-outs. It was one of the last treacherous acts of the Scottish c..unt Darling in May 2010 pre-GE.

    So don’t blame the current lot!

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    Cardinal Richelieu's mole says:

    The lights of Dublin will be going out and will not be re-lit in our lifetime.

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    Alex says:

    “This is all to do with greed and corruption – nothing to do with the EU.”

    Hilarious – presumably 18 years of not having any signed off accounts doesn’t constitute corruption in your twisted world view then. Try running your own business for that long without signed off accounts and see what happens – you’ll be being asked to pick up the soap in the showers long before you even get through the first 5 years, having been convicted and incarcerated for tax evasion

    But hey, you’re not letting the realities of life get in the way of your laughable comment – good for you, you silly little boy.

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    Alex says:

    Oh fuck off yourself anonymong – your country does happily take English subsidies you scrounging piece of shit. We’d be in far less of a mess if we just gave scotland and wales the independence they so desperately crave, ideally with a caveat that in no way shape or form can they return to the (by that point non existent) union when they’re broke.

    P.S. I think you’ll find homosexuality existed long before the nation of England did.

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    Lemuel says:

    They didn’t you twat.
    They were neutral.

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    this is England says:

    go fuck yourself you half baked moron

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    Alex says:

    Well if you think that’s the extent of English culture, that says far more about how thick and lacking in knowlege you are than it does about England.

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    Alex says:

    Nope Anonymong, you’re a cretin – getting out of Europe and sending a message to the Liblabcon is far more important than squabbling with our lazy scrounging neighbours – we can deal with them later.

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    Not the Spanish Inquisition says:

    The Spanish Armada was a great success. Look at all those swarthy little micks – direct descendents of Juan, Miguel and Alfonso.

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    Anonymous says:

    There has never been any Oirish struggle for independence. Irish history is the story of a backward, superstitious and innately tribal people fighting a Holy War to stop their neighbours from wearing condoms.

    Ireland is a joke of a country – always has been and always will be. The only thing that’s more contemptible are the dolts who think they’re Irish on account of grandpappy once having drunk a half-pint of Guinness.

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    Alex says:

    For goodness sake, you’re obsessed – either send jgm2 a photo of yourself asking if he’s interested in getting a room together, or just shut the fuck up now and avoid the embarrassment of being turned down.

    Seriously, you’re very creepy and disturbed.

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    Alex says:

    Whereas socialism on the other hand has been a roaring success in any country that would have it?

    The free markets went tits up thanks to Blair/Brown and Clinton amongst others deregulating their respective financial sectors far too much – the equivalent of leaving a gang of school kids on a sugar rush comedown in charge of a sweetshop.

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    I hate New Labour says:

    Plus, they were one of the very few countries to get a referendum on joining the EU and the timid nitwits were frightened into a ‘yes’ vote.

    Now they will pay for their monumental stupidity.

    How anyone can be proud to be Irish after this is beyond me…

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    Anonymous says:

    Plus, they are the only country to have sent a formal expression of regret and sorrow to the Third Reich following Hitler’s suicide.

    This is to say nothing of the part played in the Spanish Civil War by both fascists and communists from Ireland.

    I truly cannot conceive of why anyone thinks that there is anything admirable about the Irish Republic, Irish culture or the Irish political landscape either now or historically.

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    I hate New Labour says:

    Remember how the EU went apoplectic when Iceland went it alone?

    Funny how letting banks fail didn’t result in Iceland disappearing from the map. Yet the stupid Irish (and the UK to be fair) still believe this nonsense.

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    Brendan O' Behave says:

    And now it’s Xmas Turkeys!

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    Elgin's lost his marbles says:

    Gormless George’s reasoning seems to be: A big export customer has gone bust, so we have to give or lend it money in the hope that it will keep on buying our exports, and this is the man who actually approves of Irish economic management:

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    Atlas shrugged says:

    I agree that it may seem unfair to blame the current lot as you call them. However does this not always seem to be the case after elected/selected governments apparently change hands.

    However who ever said life,or anything else for that matter is or was supposed to be fair anyway?

    It is the fault of Cameron and his party as well as our own to a lesser extent, that Labour got away with what they have so completely got away with.

    This is the nature or the illusion of choice perpetuated by establishment controlled Party Politics, usually known as western democracy.

    The truth is YOU HAVE NO CHOICE, and worse still you never have had any.

    The Establishments Temple has two pilers, otherwise it would quite literally fall over.

    The establishment are 3 card tricksters able to pull any rabbit out of any hat, at any time they so wish.

    They cause the problem, then offer the list of solutions, then pick the one they were always going to inflict on us in the first place. In this case bankrupting us to save their own deliberately bankrupted banking system. Not a new con either, history shows us that this particular tried and tested graft has been enacted time and time again on the common people over the last 200 or so years.

    Either Cameron and his party are as thick as around 350 short planks of incredibly dense wood, or they are every bit as dishonestly nasty as Labour,s bunch of Marxism indoctrinated crooks.

    The very existence of such entity’s as a United Nations and a World Central Bank should give us all the clues that are required to come to ONLY one sensible conclusion, regarding how this world has long since been run, and even more importantly by whom.

    A world central bank is the definition of world COMMUNISM. Although World Fascism, World Socialism, World Dictatorship, World Fabianism, World Corporate Capitalism, or World Nazism with all that has historically gone with them, could very well turn out to be equally accurate.

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    AJ says:

    Is that ‘man of the people”. ” all in this together” wanker osbourne ? Why doesn’t he fuck off back to Ireland. They’re fucked and we are a year behind.

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    The Druid says:

    Where do you think we fled to when times were hard ?

    You Pro-Roman fu*kwit.

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    Walac Wolftwald The Saxon says:

    And us you Pro-Norman Pric*.

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    Arthur ( O A F K ) says:

    Silence men. It is true. The South-eastern tribes of ‘Our Islands’ have, in general, bent the knee to anyone with a few troops and some hard cash.

    But they are still our people.

    Soft and compliant they may be. But they are still of our blood. (Well mostly)

    London is the problem. These cockney *unts have opened the city gate to everyone from the Roman to the Chinaman.

    Once this boil on the arse of Britain is removed, ’Once and for All‘, these islands will again see greatness and success.

    The county tribes will once again live in Gods grace.

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    Poor Bill says:

    Inflation dear boy. Inflation.

    Protect what you have and hold on tight.

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    Poor Bill says:

    If you don’t care about the poor and the elderly, you can ‘Inflate’ these debts away.

    Painful. Yes. But if you have lots of money and invest wisely you can do well enough to survive.

    Good luck !

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    Fireman says:

    au contraire Osama, we hard working public sector employees still have an excellent pension outlook. Touch it and watch your city burn down.

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    Poor Bill says:

    Arrr yes. But the English invented Chips to help the flaging Irish economey after the famine.

    Yes I know. Poor taste.

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    Charlie is our darling says:

    Only a Fuc*king Roundhead shit like you could say something like that at a time like this.

    Give us a break ! Hanging’s to good 4 U

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    Poor Bill says:

    You could almost believe that the Marxists wanted the system to fail.

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    Poor Bill (Man Stuff) says:

    Bob Geldof, goodman !

    Poor background, worked hard, took the breaks when they happend.

    Did what he could, when he could to help the rest of humanity.

    A good man ! Nuff said.

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    Poor Bill says:

    His Uncle Karl, that’s who.

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    Glen Die Arrrr says:

    Normans stupid. Only Offa ever entered Wales as you call it.

    From 1066 until the Tudors, they were all French.

    You do know who the Tudors are don’t you.

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    Glen Die Arrrr says:

    By the way. You can’t be independent of Britain.

    You are the British !

    Arrrrrrrrrrrrrr !!!!!!

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    Hereford Harry says:

    Learnt the ‘Death Kiss’ from an Naurrunese woman. (69 prior to a Borneo trip 18 months. Hard time don’t want to talk about it. Yanks no nothing about jungle.)

    Leave these people alone. They are trouble.

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    English Taxpayer says:

    Guido. You and your adopted countrymen are fucked.
    The treasure we have spent; the blood that our brethren have expended, in defence or dispute of the island’s sovereignty is nothing compared to your nations fall from grace. A fall from grace driven not through nationalism but through greed and stupidity.
    Ireland has few choices. All are bad. Poverty beckons, the wealth illusion is smashed.

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    Osch Ian says:

    All our liquidity is in Cornwall at the moment.

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    Laban says:

    “England’s first colony”

    er .. isn’t that Wales ?

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    Adopted countrymen?

    “The situation is serious, but not solemn”, sure the politicians have fucked the economy, sacrificed our sovereignty and mortgaged our children’s futures, but we still have our faith.

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    Elgin's lost his Marbles says:

    Fair point, and England was a Norman colony.

    PS Can we ask the Danes for reparartions for the Danegeld wholst we bring up past wrongs?

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    giants_causeway says:

    Good ol Gerry opposed all the recent changes suggested by the EU, and many Irish agreed with him and the treaty ratifications were defeated – then forced re-runs reversed this). OK Gerry is considered economically naive, but he was right about Eire’s economic relationship with the EU. Maybe he will not be too late…

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    Susie says:

    I doubt it…

    I did an internet search a few weeks ago and apart from a few derelict Georgian mansions torched in the 1920s, the new developments are so hideous you’d have to be paid to live there — hacienda villas built on peat bog moorland in a force 8 Atlantic gale, anyone?

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    Susie says:

    I KNOW they wanted the system to fail.

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    Susie says:

    And telling their creditors they can whistle for it. Not one single British council has been repaid a penny in over 2 years.

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    Susie says:

    Yes aren’t they uncharacteristically quiet?

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    King Billy says:

    Mortgaging your children’s futures is a step up from letting the priests bugger them.

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    continuity arsehole republican terrorist says:

    Oi let’s have less of der takin’ of der piss of moi oirish brethren or oi’ll blow yuse all to feck yuse inglish barstards

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    Worthless Lib Dem pledge says:

    I thought the chairman from Irish Bank moved to become the chair at BAT. Why would they employ someone who helped make Ireland bankrupt? A reported salary of over £500,000 a year for two days a week. This appears more than Sir Fred! I also understood Gerry Adams resigned his seat in the north and moved to southern Ireland, is he looking to start a campaign of terror against the EU? If so, I suspect he will get plenty of followers.

    After such a struggle to win independence it gives up its freedom and sovereignty to the EU for the sake of bond dealers, I agree with Guido the fananciers should have taken the hit not the public or country.

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    AbleThe SpaceMonkey says:

    Cloward and Piven:

    The strategy of forcing political change through orchestrated crisis. The “Cloward-Piven Strategy” seeks to hasten the fall of capitalism by overloading the government bureaucracy with a flood of impossible demands, thus pushing society into crisis and economic collapse.

    Never let a good crisis go to waste…

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    fil says:

    As I understand it we are borrowing at about 3.3% so if we get more than that we are in profit on the deal.

    Could be a nice little earner…

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    Anonymous says:


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    Anonymous says:

    We are utter fools to offer help to Ireland

    Irish Times Thursday 18 Nov 2010 editorial article Irish Sovereignty 1922-2010 RIP

    In this editorial they referred to ‘Bailout from German Chancellor WITH A FEW SHILLINGS OF SYMPATHY FROM THE BRITISH CHANCELLOR.!!!!!’


    To deride the help with have offered them of 7 BILLION claiming it is only a few shillings is simply scandalous. We have problems of our own and we should never have to carry another countrys debts. They have lived a very high lifestyle their debts are not of our making. In fact we are the 2nd largest contributor to the EU coffers and have received nothing in return. The Irish have spent spent spent and looked down their noses at us during the period of Celtic Tiger.

    We should keep our eyes on Englands situation. Dont help a nation that scorn us non stop.

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    John Barry says:

    British exports to Ireland are 3 times British exports to China and 5 times the exports to India. Trade with Ireland exceeds total UK trade with Brazil, Russia,India and China.
    If Ireland implodes Britain will suffer.

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    Bob Geldorf says:

    Give us your fuckin money!!!

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    Ensconsed at Smerwick says:

    The red headed heritic bastard whore Elizabeth I

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    So long and thanks for dey benefits says:

    Purplehelmet… That sounds like a good idea excepting England would be left populated by Muds and Muzzies.

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    Pistol in me pocket says:

    Yeh, do it the old way and get the pike outa de thatch. It would be worth watching the politicians and bankers squirm on the end of one of those bad boys.

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    Archie says:


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    Schrödinger's superposition says:

    It might get worse – the Irish are now taking about going back to their “root values”. For God’s sake, the country’s bankrupt – so what? Just start over again and don’t make the same mistake twice.

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