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Norman Tebbit has a humble brag:
“We Maastricht rebels were derided and abused for opposing the single currency by the wise, clever, Guardianista soft centre left establishment from whom we now hear so little on the matter.”
The last Quango in Paris says:
Mr Bryant and Mr Watson managing to make the whole hacking affair look like a farce – the more they moan the less I care about the whole subject! So partisan it beggars belief at all costs. They cannot rise above it ! If I was to call the PM a ‘liar’ I would want to be VERY sure.
What a vile man he is.
Agreed. I cannot believe I agreed with Vine on something. Am I becoming a wooly liberal? Are the BBC veering radically to the right?
Or is this an issue that is so monumentally repulsive and abhorrent that it even forces all sides into agreement as to how utterly wrong this idea is?
Come on Cameron. You DO have a choice. Grow some balls, tell the liberals that unless they agree to repeal of the criminal protecting, victim abusing, human rights act, they will be in opposition again.
It ain’t the liberals – tossers though they are – but the EU again. Until we leave the EU we will have more and more of this insanity.
You will not get any argument from me about the need to withdraw from the EU.
However the tories had a manifesto commitment to drop the human rights act, and replace it with a common sense bill of rights, that would have reduced the rights of prisoners, whilst increasing the rights and protections for law abiding people. This commitment bit the dust in the negotiations to form the coalition.
Cameron should get some balls and in light of this latest court decision, drop the HRA and create that bill of rights instead.
soft on crime, soft on the causes of crime
For once Brillo was really weak against this low life. Surely the point is to question this ridiculous judgemnet of the European Court of Whatever that having the vote is a HUMAN RIGHT.
receiving bread, receiving water, not being tortured these are human rights, but the vote NO. That is a civil right, as Brillo first mentioned, which Civil Society has every right of withholding. These European judges should be sacked.
Been ‘in’ the EU and been a signatory to the European convention on Human rights are two separate things – I think !
Insane axe murderer 1- Andrew ( dead rat ) Neil 0. It’s television son, but not as you know it.
Rubbish – Brillo smashed him from end to end – a great public service discrediting and showing up John Hirst as the vile toerag he and his ilk are.
Few politicians now will support more than the minimum necessary to avoid the ECHR’s judgement – Hirst did himself and his cause no favours whatsoever.
Er, I think you will find said nutter has already won and there is nothing Dave and Nicky can do about it, well not unless they grow a pair, which on past and present form, is highly unlikely.
I do find it amusing that it took a convicted axe murderer to hold the state to account on agreed human rights, not a lawyer or a politician. That alone speaks volumes about our Government
Imagine the prison population was the majority of voters. Would you agree to criminals determining how you lived your life? The fact that they are far from a majority does not alter this argument.
The criminals already do dictate how we run our lives. They sit in the House of Commons and do it.
I think people misunderstand the principles of representative government.
Why not say imagine if the majority of voters lived in Swansea; or were vegetarian; or listened to Jazz. If that’s what the population is/are then how can it be ‘wrong’ or un-representative?
You have a point. I would say rather that it matters what they represent. In the case of criminals, they represent those who have actively harmed others. This seems to me to place them apart, certainly for the period of their incarceration.
I am not interested in who hands me back my stolen property. He held the State to account (unlike the army of publicly funded millionaire human rights lawyers out there) and the State held him to account for his crimes.
He did the crime and has done the time. You can either jail him for 25 years and put him on a lifetime licence to die poor and alone or you can hang him. Not both, as most here wish to do.
Yada, yada, yada, me, me, me. Come and read my blog, Old Borehorn, ‘cos I’m worth it.
There is no sense in which Hirst is aiding the handing back your stolen property. In fact, he is growing the state — this ruling will mean more state machinery to oversee prisoners voting, more consumption of productive people’s wealth to finance it, and greater opportunity for political corruption.
The outrage here is that this odious individual wants to spend YOUR money via the Human Rights lawyers (spit) on making matters worse. How you can defend this on libertarian grounds beats me.
All prisoners remain citizens. Citizens vote for the State they live under.
I’m really trying to keep it as simple as I can
Stop being so bloody patronising and superior OH, you don’t have all the answers by any means.
You are happy, in theory, for someone to kill your family and then the day after incarceration vote for an authoritarian party like Labour to tax you into the grave and spy on you? That’s just laughable, and exactly where your position takes you. And to add to the comedy, this ‘law’ is dictat from a foreign socialist power, the EU.
Except it is enschrined in English Law
I can think of many people I would rather didn’t have the vote, thanks
“All prisoners remain citizens. Citizens vote for the State they live under.”
This country is NOT a republic, therefore we are NOT citizens of it.
secondly, people whose behaviour sets them apart from society, and who choose to cause harm to others, through that behaviour should also be considered by society to be choosing to accept a reduced level of rights by the free expression of their choice in committing the crime.
And Hirst was NOT holding the Government to account. He was abusing the very laws which are meant to protect people, in order to gain financially at the expense of the tax-payer.
He should have been hanged for his crime, and he gets to brag and smoke weed and become an infamous anti-hero?
That is sick! They guy is a pathetic wanker, who has benefitted from weak wooly liberals bending over backwards to cosset criminals.
I would support a return to the death penalty for murderers, I would allow Prisoners the right to shelter, food and water, NOTHING else. By committing a crime they are rejecting their own rights.
If they do not want harsh punishments, if they wish to retain their normal and just human rights, then they can choose to obey the laws of the land, and if they disagree with any law, then use the legal procedures to change them.
For Anon at 2.30: there are already issues upon which the ‘view of the majority’ is ignored by the simple device of never putting them to plebiscite. You can imagine your own list of these, or scan the comments on the blogs of your choice.
There’s a large body of argument that the job of government should be either to protect the larger body of the public from its opinions, or to seek to guide it to some state of enlightenment. Funnily, socialists are contemporary champions of this kind of elitism, with theists of various persuasions edged out by a nose on stewards’ inquiry.
I can understand why the court have done it because their position is to maintain the integrity of European nations and even in our own chequered history the definition of ‘prisoner’ can be abstract. However, it’s the penalties that irk me. Fair enough attach penalties but the figure of £100′s of millions seems egregious and larcenous, frankly.
I dunno. You’ll get 100% turnout in the Nick too. FFS – this is a proper broad judgement. Although, if prisoners register from their home addresses then it could open up a can of worms on their adventures. Fuck sake though.
Amusing but hardly surprising
Run along little boy. Aren’t you due to play with your mask at this time of year?
Yada, yada, yada, me, me, me. Come and read my blog, Old Borehorn, ‘cos I’m worth it.
OH – if the right to vote for prisoners was a human right we would not be having this discussion. I don’t see it in the American Bill of Rights for a start.
Democracy should not be confused with liberty.
Raymond v Honey
It IS a human right, enshrined in English Law
I have a simple two stage solution:
1. Allow them to vote
2. Do not permit them a postal vote.
Problem solved.
Brilliantly simple solution. They are accorded the right to vote in law then, but if they cannot make it to the polling station on time to vote?….well never mind eh? it’s the principle of the thing that counts.
Dear old holborn, This piece of filth and others like him should have been hanged, there Im keeping it as simple as I can.
Of course in the Irish democratic decision even being dead was never a great barrier to voting in elections.
This seems almost comically bad, it’s like someone is stirring the flames to encourage the opt out of the human rights act (about time too)
I just can’t see how a bunch of armchair fabians could have allowed that to go on live BBC
Damn right!
I know but the convicted murderer wasn’t much better…
(Joke, by the way…)
Yup.After hearing that I can at last put a face to Concrete Pump.
I am disgusted at this outcome.
If the UK has to abide by the outcome, then group all prisons into a single constituency and see which parties dare field the criminals candidate. They can vote, but there may well be nothing for them on vote on.
By all means give them the right to vote on EU elections – the EU should get what they deserve.
Christ they might end up holding the balance of power. John Hirst might end up Deputy PM. Although obviously that would be preferable to Prescott.
B AND P WOULD SWEEP UP
“What a vile man he is.”
Oh come on Brillo’s not that bad.
Axe-Murderer = a total twat. I sure there are other crimes he is guilty of.
Simple solution to this:
1. The lags register to vote in the constituency in which their chokey is located.
2. Come election time send ‘em their voting cards.
3. On election day tell ‘em if they want to vote then they’re free to go and do so, but only if they can get over the wall. Oh, and sorry, no postal votes allowed from jail, too much potential for bullying.
4. Make bloody certain that if we give just one of these bastards the chance to vote they get to do it AFTER every last member of the Armed Forces serving in Afghan have cast their vote because for the last two GEs they’ve been betrayed by the Government and denied THEIR human rights.
For Brillo, it was like shooting fish in a barrel.
Indeed ….that poor prisoner couldn’t get a word in.
A case for Eugenics ?
I thought Sweet Dreams (Are Made Of This) was their best effort to date.
Possible vaguely similar solution:
Human rights are regarded as irrevocable, BUT humanity itself is possibly revocable.
If genetic engineering catches up with the concept, it may be possible to mandate a literal dehumanisation as punishment for particularly heinous crimes.
Not a human ==> no human rights ==> whatever punishment a court decides is fitting – possibly respecting legislation on cruelty to animals.
Hirst needs to watch his step, his very existence creates a vulnerability in the very concept of human rights; people will not stand for it much longer if he keeps going.
No, for restoration of the Death penalty——- as applied pre- 1838.
Do unto him as he did to his Landlady.
He is a strong argument for bringing back the death penalty. Human rights? He should not even be drawing breath!
Sharia law would take care of him
Extradition would take care of you.
Stone me, I do believe you have a point sir, just as ugly women should have black blankets thrown over them.
British go to hell! Curse the judge!
Imagine what it would do to Miss Choudry.
He lost all credibility the moment I clapped eyes on his botoxed and brow-lifted face.
Doubtless it came courtesy of the Royal National Health Service and therefore, of our unwilling selves.
Any idea who represented him at the ECHR?
I think dogs should get the vote!
I object!
The poor woman that he brutally murdered has had her human rights and her life taken away from her. Yet this piece of shit walks around living and breathing and bleating on about how unfairly he and his ilk are unfairly treated. Disgusting.
He’s probably a sociopath — they don’t have a conscience; it is like being born without legs, you can’t expect running in the same way that you can’t expect empathy from a sociopath. They are 2%-4% of the general population.
On the voting question, there is no way that those who harm their fellow man to the extent that they have to be locked up for the safety of others should have a say in how they are governed. That seems to me to be a defensible moral position.
You can learn to become a socio-path through the rigours of day to day life.
Not true. Sociopaths are born, not made.
Was McDoom born or made?
He has aspergers I believe.
Poor ickle Diddums.
I’ve always been against capital punishment; I think I’ve just changed my mind!
I was a wavering on the issue. I agreed with it for the most extreme cases, for people like Ian Brady and Myra Hindley, where they kill many children without remorse and are clearly 100% guilty. But this has widened the category of the people who I feel should be included.
Agree. And I used to be – used to be mind – an Amnesty member.
Whats the category?
What makes him stand out is that he’s a pain in the arse, a non-conformist, with a big mouth. I’m sure theres plenty of murderers who don’t give a shit, but they have the sense to keep quiet about the fact.
I agree the most extreme cases where the kill children without remorse Brady, Hindley, Huntley, Blair. The really evil ones.
Can’t we just get the police to pick them off one by one and when they are questioned at the inquest they can just say happiness is a warm gun.
All they need to say is that they mistook their denim jacket for a much thicker jacket with wires hanging out of it, and then held them down and shot them 7 times in the head.
Then they would get off scott free!
The logical conclusion is that I could run around and murder every Labour supporter, hand myself in to the rozzers, and vote Tory from my cell.
Tempting……
You dont even have to turn up in court if you dont regonise the courts authrouty
The police are already doing that with tories in london. I think they said don’t stand so close me or you’ll be under attack. Why won’t they just give peace a chance.
Typical lowlife from Hull, or maybe anywhere else.
ANYWHERE ELSE YES!!!!!!!
There are lot’s of good decent people in Hull and no-one should compare this piece of fucking filth to them.
OK!!!!!
The good “decent people” of Hull voted in that fat C**t Prescott! from what I have seen of Hull, there are a lot more like Hirst.
Really, well there speaks the fucking king!!!
Fight for it!
£700-00 a week for taking photo’s of Lying corrupt M.P.’s Yet they place cuts on everything else. Forcing people out of jobs.They rant on about disabled people like myself getting jobs. WHERE & HOW. I have to live on £80-00 a week incapacity benefit, and that’s it! Never mind about these who scam it, and they are mainly immigrants.Nobody will set me on at 57 with my medical problems.Younger fit people can’t get jobs, so what’s my chances. Then this pathetic goverment gice 35,000 to a photographer.And i bet this doesn’t include expenses. So why don’t the people who set him on PAY HIM there selves????
post it in the right slot old boy
You can operate a computer, you can work.
Plus Dave said during PMQ’s that he has no problem with inter company transfers. So if you work in IT expect to be competing for jobs against poverty stricken Indians brought over by the likes of Tata for whom minimum wage is the equivalent of untold riches. But hey, at least your IT project will be fucked up for less.
We’re in a race to the bottom ably abetted by the useless fucking Tories!
Shame you said nothing while the same shite was happening under ZaNu. Perhaps if you paid more attention you might realise that Globalisation does not benefit any, other than the government, banks and massive corporations.
Well said.
if you stopped whinging long enough 13…someone might give you a job..try the photo counter at tesco first..if not try the charity shops they like silly old buggers..£80 a week sounds too much to me
Am I right in thinking that in spite of the EU ruling on this ghastly man’s case, the UK Government can still rule on which categories of convicted prisoners will have the right to vote?
No.
Of course not, the EU decides all and our lickspittle ‘government’ merely rubber stamps the decisions. Votes for axe murderers just what every good law-abiding Tory would have voted for right?
This guy thinks prisoners not having the vote is “abuse by the state”.
Wow, he should be pretty glad he ain’t living somewhere like China…
Irrelevant. This isn’t a competition.
Last time I looked, the courts in China could not be overruled by one in France.
Our sovereign law should NOT be able to be overruled by ANY foreign court. If it can, then it is NOT sovereign and the people who allowed it have committed treason!
Since 1999, that crime has been punishable by a lucrative book contract and various lucrative directorships…
Fuckinell, where is there a tea party when you need one? Eh?
http://www.tparty.org.uk
Non-starter until there’s someone with the media access Glenn Beck has on Fox. Otherwise, you’re ‘quaint’, ‘quixotic’ or ignored.
Why was he found guilty of manslaughter and not murder ?
Diminished responsibility. It’s possible. We don’t know all the facts. And he served 25 years.
Theres a big old article somewhere out there explaining.
It was an “anger murder” (I should attempt to use some foreign term for that but can’t be bothered). He was drunk, it wasn’t premeditated, it was 1980.
Aaah,I see,the Baldrick defence
Diminished responsibility in the axe death of his elderly landlady but not enough diminished responsibility to be allowed to vote.
Unbelievable! Well, on second thoughts, with the ECHR it is entirely believable.
Combine the ECHR with Harmanescu’s equality legislation and not only could the lunatic vote, he could stand for and potentially be elected to, Parliament. Good eh? Welcome to the world of “progressive” possiblities.
Thanks, GSB, for picking up where the ECHR misled itself.
Sociopathy is not consistent with a finding of ‘temporary diminished responsibility’. He’s permanently incapable of regard for others. Whether this removes, or should remove, his right to participate in elections is at issue here.
There is a difficulty in framing how a sociopath’s rights should be restricted in law, consistent with an overarching framework of ‘universal human rights’ in liberal democratic societies – the abuse of psychiatry in the former Soviet Union to class all dissenters as ‘insane’ is an obvious historical warning.
This grinning gobshite has led us into an ethical quagmire.
no ethical quagmire for me 177…shithouse shouldn’t be breathing let alone voting…we’ve turned this country into a stack of bleeding heart apologists for a murderer’s human rights…fucker wants cutting into pieces with an axe…slowly
Ask the Frankfurt School and their army of lawyers, judges, and politicians.
Because he made himself a cup of coffee afterwards (no I don’t understand it either).
yes the axe slipped
Voting a ‘human right’? What about a prisoner’s right to a private life and freedom? Oh, they’re sorting that out already…just when you thought the criminal justice system couldn’t get any more devalued!
The human right to dignity, freedom and liberty will be respected and enjoyed by all. Expect all prisons to be closed down soon!
FUCKING LUNACY!
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I take it you don’t mean Brillo…
Fair enough… no, I don’t mean Brillo! I don’t know how I didn’t crash my car listening to this human waste on the Jeremy Vine show today (just before Guido, thankfully, put his boot in). I’m all for rehabilitating prisoners who’ve paid for their crime, if such crime doesn’t involve more than some temporary discomfort for the victim and they have demonstrably mended their ways (sure I don’t want to pay for the upkeep of a shoplifter forever…), but this slimebag murdered someone and publically broke the law (the spliff) on the premise that… the law is what he thinks it ought to be! Hopefully someone will do to his loved ones what he did to that landlady… on their way to the polling booth, and thank him for that!
Are you referring to Nick Clegg???
Love the site, Guido, and it was a pleasure talking to you despite your mobile signal being shite.
A bit like yourself then Jeremy.
Vine is a closet Tory who tries to be impartial but overdoes it and comes out all lefty
Vine’s always struck me as the personification of the Daily Mail.
A kind of whiny crappy irritating mongish unpleasantness which, no matter how carefully you avoid encountering it, manages to slip into your field of view. In Vine’s case, when I’m skimming the channels on the car radio.
Agree. Very sensationalist, inviting the retards to phone in and spout shite with Vine egging them on.
On the offchance that you are actually Jeremy Vine, welcome to the bearpit.
Poor old Grant Schapps, white faced and shitting himself. Welcome to the real world Schappsy baby, it’s cold, hard and brutal these days, outside of your pampered Westminster bubble.
The bloke wasn’t even in the studio you complete dork!
Shapps was sitting (shitting?) right next to Brillo, you lying turd.
Liar! Poor liddle Grunt was sat right next to Andy Neil.
And yet you namby pambys cringe about the death penatly, tell you what, put it to a vote and you will soon find the majority want it back, so you all you bed wetters can fuck off to some other country if you don’t like it.
+1
If you do not want to fall victim to the death penalty, don’t kill anyone. Simple!
He might be vile – but John Hirst was correct…………
http://billyblofeld.wordpress.com/2010/11/03/the-john-hirst-problem/
There is no such thing as Human Rights. They are courtesies that civilised people agree to exchange each other when there is enough of a consensus that we are all better off for them. The fact that some vacuous piece of legislation has been written is such a fashion as to lead people to believe that such thing as a right exists in nature does not make it true. And legislation can be changed when it does not meet with the consensus of the people. This is what democracy is about. Somewhere along the line this give and take approach to democracy has been replaced by a doctrine of universalism that only represents the wishes of a tiny minority. Don’t get me wrong: I’m glad that rights are written into our legislation. I’m not convinced, though, that ALL such rights are or ought to be universal. It seems to me that some (freedom from political persecution, freedom from torture etc.) are, some others aren’t. Theoretically you can bend the rather uncontroversial principle that all people should be free as a justification for making law enforcement altogether illegal. That seems morally and practically wrong to me.
Well said.
and legislation can be changed without the consent of the people…and often is
For me this isnt about Hurst , But more about how the change came about , If this had gone through our parliment and passed into law i would be more inclined to accpet it , However as it was forced on us by some fuckin unelected arsehole from a marxist corupt ” Court” it is a disgrace that a fundamental change to our voting and prison policys , Our Parliment used to be the highest court in the land but now it is just a rubber stamp for marxist polices from the EU .
Agreed. If we decide to do silly things that’s our business. To be told to do them is entirely different.
Yes. The Gramscian rot continues. How many years until we receive dicta that imprisoning criminals violates thier Human Rights?
I’m expecting Ken Clarke to say something along those lines any day now.
Look a lot of twaddle is talked about me an not putting people into prison for committing crimes. I want to say hear and now, such talk is daft, I merely pointed out that for those guilty of minor offences, such as say rape, grevious bodily harm etc, should have their sentences lessened in the name of reasonablenesss. I fail to see what all the fuss is about honestly.
UK 2015…They will have saved a fortune by closing all the jails.
Prisoners? It’s against their human rights to deprive them of their liberty don’cha know?
There will be an insane free for all, chaos on the streets Baghdad style after the fall of Saddam. Murderers, rapists, muggers, sex offenders, all out free to do whatever the fuck they like and to a completely disarmed population.
What the fuck do these Judges care about the rights of everyone else to be safe from these lunatics?
IF and when they close all the jails, someone ought to get some weaponry and find each and every one of these ECHR judges and then torture each one before murdering them, so that they can witness and experience the consequences of their own liberal insanity. Then they should murder the bankers, then then murder the politicians.
This country is going fucking insane!
“find each and every one of these ECHR judges and then torture each one before murdering them”
Executing, rather than murdering, surely?
As the ranting axe killer has identified that Andy Neil has a ginger rodent on his head should we start referring to him as Ratty instead of Brillo?
I think I should be upgraded to Beaver.
Me and the Eagle girls all love beaver!!
Don’t tell our Jack!!
LOL
Settle for rodent girls yer working class slaaags now
You’d have to conclude that judging by the way he referred to Neill that he’s a poster/windowlicker on this site.
I thought the same thing…unless he is referred to as Brillo on other forums.
Hirst is a repellent, odious specimen and a terrible poster boy for his campaign. That much is obvious.
But that doesn’t change the fact that this is a very poor interview. Instead of a discussion of the law – which is the key question here – Brillo is unaware of the distinction between civil and human rights, and unaware of the history of Hirst’s imprisonment. Admittedly on something like this it’s almost impossible to avoid an ad hominem attack (and both are guilty). Unfortunately (and I do consider it unfortunate), Hirst has the law on his side. It’s a shame that O’Neill’s only reaction is to become immediately shrill. There’s no point moralising with this guy – anyone aware of his history will be aware of that.
Most of the rest of Europe allow prisoners to vote. And there is precious little we can do to hold back the tide. Like it or not (and I hate it), prisoners will get this human right – irrespective of the rights they have taken from others.
Sickening, isnt it?
That, and abjectly pathetic.
Take it up with our real government. Oh I forgot, you can’t.
“Most of the rest of Europe allow prisoners to vote. And there is precious little we can do to hold back the tide.”
BULLSHIT, UNDILUTED DEFEATIST BULLSHIT!
It is time for UKIP or the tea parties or whoever to get the British people to take back OUR collective sovereignty and enforce ENGLISH law.
We should introduce that common sense bill of rights that removes all rights from convicted prisoners, so long as they are in prison, to that of the right to shelter, food and water and nothing else.
Andrew Neil is the only journalist with any integrity in the beeb — in fact, he is the only journalist.
Hirst is human waste, a vile maggot of a human being, probably a sociopath hence the absence of remorse — not neurologically wired to experience it.
Agreed on brillo , The BBC must be scrapped and a proper market introduced
His programme about the TEA Party on Monday was objective and excellent.
I do like Brillo and James Landale is ok but I am far from fond of the others.
Landale is another Labour shill.
The guy is talking about human rights, he is not human he is scum.
Read Half Head by Stuart McBride where criminals are lobotomised and have half their heads cut off, then made to do cleaning and other menial jobs as punishment. This should apply to this thing.
And which criminals would that apply to, Rick?
Haven’t we all committed a ‘crime’ at some stage?
“Haven’t we all committed a ‘crime’ at some stage?”
Speak for yourself, you cockroach.
No.
Never exceeded the speed limit, or driven after a heavy night? Never dropped litter? Never been economical with the truth on your tax returns or benefit claims?
Littering hardly compares to killing someone with an axe does it, old boy?
Exactly. So who decides?
Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?
thank fuck you don’t anon
The trouble is that a future Labour government would try to do that to their political opponents.
Havent they already ?
Looking at muppets like Francis Maude, Grant Schapps, and Ed Vaisey, you’re probably right!
Civil servants should re-use toilet paper says Francis Maude
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/spending-review/8107743/Reuse-old-stationery-of-scrapped-quangos-Francis-Maude-tells-civil-servants.html?source=newswidget
Most of those civil service forms are only fit for wiping your arse on anyway.
Well sais KP!
Watched it live – Brillo goaded the ex-lag to react. I don’t like Hirst, but why is guest-bating relevant to the question of whether prisoners should vote?
Similarly, Cameron in PMQs said that prison should mean loss of liberty, including in his opinion loss of voting rights. But unless Parliament has legislated on the matter, it is up to the courts to decide whether a restriction is legal or justified.
Maybe the best way forward is to reintroduce an updated version of the Forfeiture Act, then pick a fight with the European Court on Human Rights. Until then, legally at least, the prisoners do have voting rights, at least based on the European sovereignty over us that both Labour & the Tories participated in.
Hirst should be treated like the subhuman sociopathic piece of shit he is.
Well done Brillo.
Mr Hirst has kindly agreed to appear on a forthcoming edition of Question Time where he will be a very welcome guest and we anticipate a bumper increase in the programmes viewing figures. He has been a very determined human rights campaigner much admired across our Kingdom.
If the panel were to brutally murder someone, which implement would they use?
Prisoners lost their rights to vote in the 1800′s by the law of this land duly done and voted for, not some noddies in a foreign country who owe no allegiance to anybody but their monthly paycheck.
Apparently the Forfeiture Act only related to loss of voting rights for felonies. Since then Parliament has built an edifice of criminal law based on statute. Update the law to reflect that then fight the ECHR. The ConDems could probably use something to distract the masses once the cuts start to bite, and maybe other EU countries might also adopt the argument.
Come on Cameron you liberal pussy. Tell the European Court to **** OFF! LOUD!
After all you promised you would when you wanted our votes! AUGUST 22, 2007
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/1560975/David-Cameron-Scrap-the-Human-Rights-Act.html
but typically you LIED as you do on every issue of substance
14 MAY 2010 after you pushed a goddam liberal commie government on us
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/politics/conservative/7721590/Coalition-government-Conservatives-drop-plans-to-scrap-European-Human-Rights-Act.html
Anyway this turd is not human and any “rights” the government gives can be taken away so they can not BE inherent rights.
The liberals have screwed up the planet.
You can’t trust any mainstream party on Europe, particularly UKIP whose MEPs voted last week to increase Britains contribution to the EUs coffers.
I think Hirst has missed something out that is detrimental to his being on this side of the prison fence and something he should be worried about.
His”TV appearance” will have Public Opinion against him and will want him back where he should be in prison.
Why is the BBC giving so much air time to this vile man – let him celebrate his “victory” quietly with his mates, if he’s got any.
google Frankfurt School and their historic mission to undermine, destabilise, and destroy the West.
I’m sure there was a law passed some years back that prevents the media paying for interviews with convicted criminals. The trouble is guess who really pays the money if the BBC get fined?
I disagree with Human Rights! – We don’t need them, we simply need a sense of dignity and respect for each other. Why the hell do we need a panel of tossers at the Human Rights Commission to tell us what is decent and right. It should be taught from birth, not bestowed by a panel of expense guzzleing bureaucrats and greedy international lawyers.
Get rid of the act, then we can begin to punish those who deny others dignity and respect.
We signed up to it, we can hardly complain afterwards. Caveat Emptor!
If you’re in the club you play by it’s rules. Silly, but there you are…..
France only plays by EU rules when it suits them as do most other EU countries.
It’s funny how it’s only Britain who obeys every dictat from Brussels no matter how asinine and ridiculous.
Indeed. As an expatriate Antipodean here, I spotted that one early on. WTF is that about? The Continentals all cheerfully ignore various EU diktats that they don’t like – never the Brits.
It just isn’t cricket: how can we exert moral pressure upon them if we do not follow precisely the rules which we exhort them to follow? They might blatantly ignore the rules, but we must never allow ourselves to be put in a position where we might be accused of hypocrisy.
The sort of culture clash that occurs whenever bow and arrow meets gunfire.
Mitch, I didn’t agree to anything, as I never voted to go into Europe.
Re: 27 The Proof is in the Pudding: There are a number of issues on which the masses disagree with their elected and non-elected overlords. Capital punishment is only one. They just know better than us, and consider ‘direct democracy’ quite dangerous. How about EU membership, mass immigration, being a signatory to the European Convention on Human Rights, spending billions trying to reverse climate change, even-handedness in the BBC which thinks that Stalin, Mao, Pol Pot & Castro were not as quite as evil as Adolf etc.
The way our governments powers have been given away to the unelected in europe it appears we have all lost the right to vote.
Mr Plum, you can thank Ted Heath [who at least gave us a referendum] and the last sodding Labour Government. Labour couldn’t wait to sign away almost all of our rights, and STILL the thick labour supporters vote for them. Are they an alien species, or just plain brain dead?
Wilson gave us the referendum.
After years of Cultural Marxism, Fabianism, Gramsciism, Common Purpose, New Labour, and the Frankfurt School; pond-life like Hirst feel empowered and protected enough to flex their muscles and make increasingly shrill demands on the rest of us, as do the islamists and other assorted low-life who have been encouraged to flood into our country.
A furious backlash against this alien-inspired cancer is long overdue.
Not so much that the scum “feels” empowered its that he actually IS empowered by the evil system which masquerades as Justice in our land.
I can understand why Hitler came about now.
The Frankfurt school and friends and predecessors started both world wars so the could get us all under control like this.
Bow wow wow!!!!
There’s something nasty in the woodshed!!
Shut up! You’re frightening the animals.
Hi,
and how very true Animal Farm was!
Bring back the death penalty ensure society is protected from the likes of The EU’s corrupt and venal legislators whose morality is such that such excrecences as the ofious individual here has any say in anything.
How long do YOU guess it will be before the Wars of Disassociation commence and The EU brings about its own demise?
Go wild in the country.
Are these psychotic pieces of shit going to campaign against being locked up because prison infringes their human rights?
That is coming soon, believe me.
Probably.
thats the logical conclusion to this evil c unts reasoning. The disgrace is our legal establishment seem to agree with him. Wankers , absolute useless, evil , greedy wankers !
Mr, Hirst is incorrect, the UK did suspend prisoners human right, generally by means of a six foot drop and a rather stout noose. Albert Pierpoint was an expert at suspending prisoners human rights his record was ‘six seconds – dead’
Hi,
I have always believed in the death penalty and here we have seen the living proof of where it benefits society.
Here is a a person without humanity who pretends to human rights!
Only something as sordid as the centralised, undemocratic, corrupt, profligate and malevollent EU could possibly consider that individuals should have ANY rights.
As with much else in The EU let us have a retrospective death penalty and we can solve this problem BEFORE the EU finally collapses in its risible failure.
It’s got fuck all to do with the EU fuckwit.
Man, this is all so heavy. The guy got life, right, but is able to spout his bollox from a T.V. studio twenty five years later.
When are they like going drop the term ‘life’ – it’s a misnomer. I’ve never got the point of having mandatory life sentences for murder which, in some cases, amount to 12 years.
On a practical note- are we still gonna play Stone ‘Enge?
Dear David,
I was a first time voter. I voted for you. Probably wont next time.
so….I wont vote Labour EVER,
the real conservatives are dead,
libdems ROFL
DAVID, GET YOUR FUCKING SHIT SORTED AND GROW A FUCKING SPINE.
I mean, it’s not like the pyscho had the decency to wash, shave, button his shirt, sit up straight and adopt a (doubtless false, but polite and appropriate) note of contrition…
EG: “30 years ago I did a terrible thing, for which I served 25 years at HM’s leisure. However, I believe that the vote is an inalienable right… blah, blah, blah.”
He’s so obviously wrong in every particular, but the fucker has WON.
WTF???
In many senses I am actually a woolly liberal, but there are definite limits to tolerance and liberalism – and votes for axe murderers is one of ‘em!
Seriously, it DEMEANS the franchise – is THAT why the Eurocrat judges are so keen to ram this through???
Lizzie Borden took an ax And gave her mother forty whacks
she gets my vote
Don’t a couple of US states still have felony disenfranchisement? This man must be the greatest argument for adoption of that here.
Slippery slope what what.
We have the right to be Human, that’s the end. Any other rights we are given…whatever they may be named or called..should be removed or recinded
when a prisonable offence is comitted. Upon returning to Society or Freedom
those rights should be returnded.
If ever there was a reason to emigrate this is it. Britain has truly gone to the dogs. We have agreed to fight with France who are as was put very succinctly cheese eating surrender monkeys. They will disappear as soon as there is a crisis. Were totally broke and the people who put us there moan that someone has decided to try and stop bankruptcy. We have people who don’t work far better off than those who choose to support their family and indeed how many that family should be taken the Mick of by people with zero personal responsibility. We are run by crooks and swindlers on vastly inflated salaries and who have decided they are not the servants of the people but the rulers. The Islamists want to live here and take the money and the personal freedoms we offer but also blow us up. Why don’t they go back to Yemen or wherever if it is so bad. In return we should get out of their hot blooded countries and let me do what they will and start looking after ourselves and getting some backbone. Frankly Britain is broke so there ain’t much fighting for if it ever really came to it anyway. What a sorry state.
It makes my flesh crawl to see this foul piece of stinking verminous criminal scum gloating and smirking. And it says a lot for how far we are having to bend over as Europe’s poodles and accept that slimy shit like this should be allowed to vote while they are doing time.
Who fcuking cares???
We are a fcuked up country going going gone DOWNHILL led by useless, gutless politicians!
Wake up and vote for none of the main 3 parties(I use the term loosely)…get UKIP to put it in law to have a referendum and then vote for it.
Lets get rid of the corrupt EU!
Nasty guy and all that, but didn’t Neil come off far worse here; and I can promise you this: not one fo you folks didn’t smirk at Hirst’s rat/dead thing on yer ‘ead jobe – not one of ye!
he is right on one level… rights aren’t rights if someone else can take them away… they are just temporary priviledges, which is all, any of us, ever have. The whole notion of human rights is a myth, along with the right to free speech.
Glasgow Celtic FC has once again shown its true colours.
The club has banned the sale of poppies on their premises.
Apparently the poppy is offensive to the clubs Irish Republican fan base.
Pass this message on so the whole country is aware of the disgraceful behaviour of this football club.
LEST WE FORGET.