Lowlife Celebrates Votes for Prisoners
This is John Hirst, the out-on-licence murderer who hacked his defenceless aged landlady to death with an axe, celebrating the votes for prisoners ruling. Reinforces Guido’s belief that the death penalty should be reinstated:
He is happy: “I’m celebrating that murderers, rapists, paedophiles, all of ‘em will be getting the vote, it is their human rights.”
Is it really unjust that law breakers shouldn’t get to vote on laws from their prison cells? It is part of their just deprivation of liberty.
Hat-tip : Michael Heaver
Another reason to leave the fucking EU
On the death pen , Only if you can find a system where not one innocent person is wrongly convicted , Do not think we are there yet ,but in 20 years then maybe
Witnesses, Police officers, Jurors, and Judges will not make mistakes in 20 years time?
No , but scientific will be stronger less chance of mistake , I could only support the death pen if there was no wrong convictions , I dont know if we will be there in 20 years but we will be closer than we are now .
what about the death penalty for those who slaughter innocent victims under their wheels while they are under the influence ?
Injustices occur regardless of science, what we would need is a perfect police force with no bent police officers. That is never going to happen.
It is stupidly obvious who should hang.
Living under a State yet having no say in who the State is?
Didn’t Russians and Germans try that?
Ja, Herr Old Holborn, but ven you look around you at Europe today, und especially Bradford, Nottingham, London etc, I bet you vish you’d been fighting on our side, nein?
@Adolf 1:02pm
Guido is Irish. The Irish did not fight against Germany in the Second World War. Those few Irish who did volunteer in the global war against Fascism were shunned by their fellow Irishmen and by the Irish government upon returning the Republic after the war.
Eamonn de Valera is, after all, the only Head of State to have made a formal expression of sympathy to the German Reich following Hitler’s suicide.
Fawkes isn’t Irish, he’s a wannabee…
I think, Quis separabit, you’re mixing the Irish, as a people, with Ireland, the State. How many Irish Catholics voluntarily fought and died in the Second World War wearing British uniform? Fuckin’ Faaaahsands. We should also not forget a certain Gunner Milligan, scourge of the Afrika Korps. Several Spitfires had a wee little Tricolour painted on their noses, which must have confused the Huns of both stripes.
Eamon de Valera was not a Head of State but a Prime Minister, att he time.
King George VI was still Head of State in Ireland, under the Executive Authority (External Relations) Act 1936. This remained the position until the enactment of a republic in 1948. Confusingly, the Irish Free State (as it then was) also had an elected President, Douglas Hyde, who also extended his condolences to the German legation in Dublin.
What’s the betting that in 20 years’ time society will think that smoking a legal drug in public is worse than murder? That’ll be me for the gallows, then.
Prisoner should have the right to vote – as we all do.
But if they cant get to the polling booth – as many of us cant thats thier hard luck!!!
lol
Prisoners already have the right to smoke indoors. It’s time this human right was granted to the rest of society. Would prisoners trade their right to smoke for their right to vote?
re 3
so what about the police killing innocent people and only being disciplined???? – not even seen as a crime and no one goes to gaol …….
no system will ever be 100% fool proof
As you say, no system could be foolproof.
But does that prohibit us from trying to improve what we’ve got?
If those people had been wrongfully executed, would it be any worse than the deaths of the victims of Guido’s fellow Irishmen in Guildford, Birmingham, Enniskillen, Warrington and a hundred other places?
I fail to see why miscarriages of justice are in any way worse than deliberate acts of ethno-sectarian genocide by the Irish against the British.
If you are going to allow the PIRA to set your moral bar, it’s going to be rather low…
But without any philosophical whining and hand-wringing, I’m intrigued from a practical sense as to how Guido thinks any of us would be better off if we were to join the ranks of the following
basket casesparagons of libertarianism (or law and order, for that matter):Yes but they were guilty.
Don’t forget the Renault 4, the Renault 5 etc etc
Hang the lot of them
MURDERING SCUMBAG !
If he is out on licence why cant someone hack him to death with a blunt axe ?
Think I can do a bit better than a blunt axe…
The Mazda 6 were a right cunch of sill bunts !
the Secret 7 and the Marturb 8
To say nothing of the asinine….
Marco 10 was a rum bugger too…
Never mind them.
FREE THE INDIANAPOLIS 500!!!
Everyone seems to have forgotten the Dave Clark Five!
Pira were the cause celebre for the left wing, the champagne socialists and the like….. now, they have moved their affections to the Palestinians
dear Billy so you would rather have an ineffectual justice system where hundreds of innocents are slain every year in this country rather than risk the possiblility that an innocent person is wrongly executed. That is the morality of an arsehole.
dear Cab driver. if the first couple of terrorists were executed in the early 70′s then the birmingham , guilford bombimgs may never have happened in the first place. Its all ifs buts and maybes, I say hang draw and quarter murdering scum. Islamofacists should be crucified wearing pigs heads. Fuck them.
Yes, there is a simple, idealistic saying that goes: “Why should we kill people, who kill people, to show that killing people is wrong.”
This twisted individual John Hirst is a nasty piece of work, but that still doesn’t inspire me to want to bring back the death penalty. You could argue that that ‘might be too good’ for some of them? So I’m not with you on that one Guido, despite the fact that I’m the direct descendant of one of the plotters (Sir Everard Digby, co-conspirator)
What does the ECHR have to do with the EU?
We’re all in this together, it’s the Big Society, innit!
They are both European institutions which cost a lot and neither of them do us any good!
It is a condition of being in the EU that you subscribe to the ECHR. We cannot do anything about ECHR while we are in the EU.
Yet another reason for telling the c u n t s where to go.
Until I get that IN/OUT referendum I consider myself a prisoner… of the EU.
A French man is already in jail for insulting a public official/MEP and over a thousand suspects have been extradited to Europe on next to no evidence.
I wonder what happens if Parliament were to pass a new law that granted judges the right to add to a sentence of deprivation of civil rights?
Presumably after Chakrabati, Mansfield and Co had done their bit, the ECHR would strike it down.
Fun to try it though – it would make it clear to the sheeple where sovereignty really lies.
is Guido promoting Sharia in the form of the death penalty?
It sure sounds like it!
Why are you replying to yourself?
Isnt it time for one of your 5 a day on your knees worshipping some dead kiddy fiddler?
Erm, no. They revere the kiddy fiddler. The worshipping and bottom-waggling is reserved exclusively for the kiddy fiddler’s make-believe invisible magic sky fairy.
Not make believe God is real!
Yes, and he created the universe, including the stars that are millions of light-years away, 4,000 years ago.
Do you still believe in Father Christmas and the Tooth Fairy, too?
That’s a dogmatic creationist belief that he made it all 4000 years ago, not one of my beliefs.
Tessa, as Oscar Wilde once said, religion is the opium of the masses.
Karl Marx said that, not Wilde.
It’s not just Muslims who are smitten with kiddy-fiddlers, as Tim Minchin has pointed out.
My Sky Fairy is better than your Sky Fairy, that’s how wars start.
“If I kill your children, my sky fairy will be happy and reward me with eternal life.”
Now that’s when it gets scary.
It’s a bit more than 400 years ago, now.
It was in 1654 that Archbishop Ussher declared the date of the creation as the night preceding Sunday 23 October 4004 BC.
So in 2010, it was 4004 + 2010 = 6014 years ago.
Still makes it difficult to account for the dinosaurs’ extinction 60m years ago, though.
Mind you, Ussher was Irish. Does that make a difference?
“Still makes it difficult to account for the dinosaurs’ extinction 60m years ago, though.”
Dinosaurs are tricky to explain – you’d think the Bible would have mentioned them somewhere..
It’s also difficult to account for people being different races, too. I mean, we’re all descended from Noah and his (oddly unnamed) wife, and they lived within the last 6014 years, how come some people are black and some white and some yellow?
Explanations (that don’t use the words evolved or evolution) on the back of a postcard to the usual address, please, Mr Pope.
Mrs Noah, she was called. Or Shem, Ham and Japheth’s mum. Eventually she became Granny Ark.
Trust me on this.
No, it is a return to long held English law actually. It was not Sharia when we had the death penalty up until 1999 (when it was finally abolished for treason, by the treasonous Tony Blair)
Looking back, I can see why he did that.
Shame they didn’t hang Ted Heath before then.
dear Tessa, even if god does not exist it is better that human kind believe in something otherwise the state takes on the mantle of God and that is infinitely more terrible. History teaches this.
How very narrow your worldview is because of your lifelong indoctrination into one of the invisible sky pixies brands.
Sad for you.
“Another reason to leave the fucking EU”
+1
Convicted prisoners should have rights.
The right to shelter, food and water and…. that’s it.
By their behaviour and (in legal terms) performance, they are tacitly accepting that they are voluntarily surrendering their normal human rights when they perform a criminal act.
We need to leave the EU NOW!
@Misterned 25
+1
re leaving EU, and on prisoners having fairly restricted rights, such as food, shelter, SECURITY (IMO it’s immoral to allow prisoners to ‘police’ prisons – it’s feral). Give ‘em education & preferably a trade – in the interests of society so that they have the ability to support themselves.
As far as a vote, why not? Until Parliament specifically prohibits it they’re entitled to do so. Anyway, 90,000 prisoners are unlikely to materially affect general elections, and it might interest the lags in politics.
As most Libertarians believe that the state should have little influence over our lives, I fail to see how authorising it to “legally” kill people is anything but anti Libertarian.
John Hirst is under licence for his entire life and can be recalled to prison at anytime. He has also served 25 years. He did the crime and did the time.
If you live under a State, then you get to decide who the State is. Anything else is simple totalitarianism especially as the State gets to decide what is and isn’t a criminal. Remember, it was a hanging offence to be gay until 1851 and imprisonable until 1967.
Disappointed in you Guido
Tell that to his elderly innocent victim and her family, I’m sure they will be impressed.
Disappointed in you OH.
You can’t hate big government yet want to give it the power to execute its own citizens.
Remember, MPs get to decide what a criminal is. Not that long ago, just being Jewish was enough to send you to the gallows.
I am more concerned that over half of our MPs are known thieves, liars, cheats and war criminals yet get to make the actual laws we have to live under.
“You can’t hate big government yet want to give it the power to execute its own citizens.”
Those two positions are not mutually exclusive – by any means.
I think your moral compass is a bit askew today, OH.
Your argument is that the state should have no powers over our lives? I don’t think even most libertarians would agree with that.
The power to execute is extreme, but it hasn’t broken the principle of representative government.
I agree. Return the power to execute to the people. We could all vote every Saturday, Xfactor style, which low life scumbags we most wanted dead the following week. We would then only need some Quango to administer the executions.
“You can’t hate big government yet want to give it the power to execute its own citizens.”
Sorry OH, I beg to differ. I hate big government as much as the next but in this case size (as they say) has nothing to do with it. A democratic government carries out the will of its people, irrespective of size, so if its people give it the power to execute, so be it.
I look forward to the arrival of a truly democratic government with much hope, but very little expectation.
Again, remember who makes the laws and who defines what is a criminal.
It isn’t you and I, it’s a feral pack of known thieves, war criminals, liars and corrupt bastards in the pockets of big business, the EU and the unions.
Be careful what you wish for, you just might get it.
OH – the author of this blog sees no dissonance between his choice of alter-ego and his support for capital punishment.
The real Guido Fawkes was surely not keen on the penalty he was awarded by the (comparatively small) state: with the looming prospect of being publicly hung, drawn and quartered, he beat the executioner to it by leaping from the scaffold and hanged himself.
@13eastie.
Is that actually correct? I thought it was Dick Turpin who leapt from the gallows, breaking his own neck, and that Fawkes was indeed hung, drawn and quartered in Jan 1606, with his body parts distributed around the country.
A small government is just as capable of executing it’s people as large government OH.
@TT I believe Turpin was hanged as prescribed by the judge. He did throw himself from the gallows, but the reason for this was not to lessen his punishment. There was no permanent executioner based in York and it was customary to pardon a condemned man in exchange for him carrying out this duty. This was the case at Turpin’s execution and it’s possible that he acted to spare a fellow highwayman from having to do the job.
Fawkes, on the other hand, did evade a good part of his punishment, though his body was subsequently drawn and quartered in the manner of the other plotters, with the parts distributed and displayed as you say.
Since Fawkes grew up in York a few years after the Turpin episode, it’s quite plausible that it would have influenced him…
@13eastie.
Many thanks for that. But wasn’t Turpin born in the 18th century?
“You can’t hate big government yet want to give it the power to execute its own citizens”.
Love your blog, but dont tell me what to think or do or believe in.
@TT Apologies – I switched the dates as I did the mental arithmetic…
The influence may have run counter to my suggestion. Or perhaps this is just common behaviour in a gallows situation…
But the point really is that it would be to Guido’s credit not to advocate so vociferously statutory acts of barbarism.
I think Turpin broke wind not his neck when he jumped from the gallows Tessa Tickles
I would have thought that all of you scholarly people would know that Lisbon re-introduced the death penalty availability !
Of course – only for treason against the EU ! So we’ve got the situation you all seem to detest most !
‘appen I has a lucky escape ba goom!
John Hirst’s blog profile is a good example of the eternal, self-justifying self-pity that all criminals use to justify ruining other people’s lives through their ghastly arsehole behaviour.
(And as usual, he completely glosses over what he actually did to get put in prison in the first place – he dreamily says that he just “drifted into crime”.)
Worthless tosser.
Unfortunately he drifted out of prison enough to allow him to murder someone.
Three strikes and you’re PERMANENTLY separated from civilised society does seem sensible, as by three criminal offences the crim has demonstrated their inability to reciprocate in society.
Smoking a joint will be in a breach of the licence, but collecting evidence of that by looking on the internet might breach his human rights to be a provocative git, so no action will be taken
Let’s see if he is recalled for possession of cannabis.
The evidence from the United States is that the death penalty has no deterrent effect by comparison with long prison sentences, when applied to murder. States that re-adopted it saw no decrease in the number of murders, while states that abbolished it saw no increase. This may be because murderers don’t weigh up the consequences of their actions.
The death penalty might save money, although in the USA it doesn’t, because the appeal process keeps many lawyers in donuts for life. It might make us feel better, because of the retributive principle, but it would make many modern people (and me) feel worse.
Surely if we are to live in some sort of civilised society “the good of the majority”
should be what drives all decisions. Now it appears that everything is being split into individual cases and fragmentation of society/ cohesion of the country follows. Yes, there will be cases where someone has been wrrongly “topped” but, fellow posters, what decision would you take if an aircraft is flying in to explode on or over say Birmingham and you have to take the decision whether to shoot it down or not? When it comes to it I venture that not so many have the bottle to take that decision. So, save thousands for the sacrifice of a few. Not easy but IMO if a better overview was taken, life for the majority would improve.
Over Birmingham? Let it crash! Same for Leicester, Huddersfield, Burnley and several other shitholes I could mention. but on the other hand Chester, Durham or Exeter, wurll, different story, innit?
Old Holborn: your “did the crime, did the time’ argument would carry more weight if he had not had ten years added for further violent assaults while in prison. Not much evidence there of remorse, and clearly he remains a highly dangerous person.
Quite agree Old Holborn.
I listened to John Hirst on BBC News and all the reporter could do was attack him, attack all prisoners and round and round it went. John Hirst to his credit kept his cool and gave reasoned and intelligent responses to the BBC drivel.
Also Quite agree about the state thingy, different countries (states) have different ideas about what is right and what is wrong, Morals are a product of what the state teaches its citizens and these chane from generation to generation and that is why the state is often in conflict with religions who are a constant.
You never kow, being a gayer copud be a hanging offence once again in 150 years time, it is entirely possible.
No one would deny a prsoner health care, the right to write or have visitors so why not let him vote, it’s not going to hurt anyone and it may just help a prisoner to keep in touch with society.
Tell that to BRONIA BURTON, that c’unt Hirst’s innocent victim.
All she did was to to ask him to get a bucket of coal to put on the fire.
He chose, instead to plant an axe in her skull.
Done his time?????
That c’unt hasn’t started yet.
+1
He should be out on the town celebrating, not holed up in a wank booth, we can all offer our congratulations for fighting for our freedom and get him a drink (2 miles offshore with a strong current)
Yes, but the mistake you are making is that it is our MPs who are preventing the reintroduction of capital punishment. Everyone knows what would happen if this was put to a referendum of the people.
What if executioners were drawn from the public? No shortage of volunteers, I’m sure…
Depends on what form execution takes ! With most forms there is some skill involved to make it ‘humane’ !
I suggest we adopt a new unskilled system – so everyone who wants to can have a go ! How about a push the crim off a tall building system. We could even have a head cam and microphone fitted so we could enjoy the experience over and over again !
We could have mass executions – with a x factor style phone in to see which one ‘went out’ best in the publics opinion ! And the pusher could get to win a contract putting all the clips together and showing them on mainstream TV !
Call it “Strictly scum dyin’” or summat !
PLEASE…. if you mean ‘homosexual’ for God’s sake say it – NOT gay. Gay is yet another rather pleasant little word (dictionary definition “light-hearted, cheerful, full of fun”) that’s been smeared and degraded. I fear for the English language!
Anyway, what is the point in ANYONE getting the vote when the decisions made by those we vote for our simply overuled by those unelected, unaccountable bureaucrats across the Channel?? VOTE UKIP!
This has nothing to do with the EU.
Hate EU membership by all means. I do. But at least understand which bodies are responsible for things.
We can’t drop the ECHR unless we leave the EU.
The European Court has nothing to do with the European Union. It was made because of the European Convention on Human Rights.
Which “European Court” are you talking about?
The European Court of Justice is an EU institution, that has upheld the case-law of the ECHR (a Council of Europe institution) and treats the CHR as thought it were a de facto EU law.
Furthermore, EU members are bound by the Nice Treaty to adhere to the CHR and, subsequent to the Lisbon Treaty, when the EU subscribes en-bloc to the CHR, the ECJ will be called upon enforce the CHR and related case-law.
You highlight another loss of sovereignty, since EU membership will prevent us from revising our relationship with the ECHR.
Really? So if we were not in Europe and signed up to the ECHR, the UK could still be fined for not abiding by this ruling?
When I come to power I will order air strikes on Brussles and all things EUSSR. I will destroy the 4th Reich. So remember, vote Batty Hattie.
Hey, Batty, while we’re on the subject,
how about equal sentencing for Wimmin?
Sorry old chap, but in my world, the world of Batty Hattie, equality is what I say it is. Yes, I may be an unpleasant, hypocritical, self righteous harridan, but wimmin can do no wrong my book and are above the law. In any case, all crime is the fault of pennis flaunting males.
Excepting me of course.
you’re right jack ‘cos you ain’t got one
Guido, the death penalty IS on the statute books, it’s in the Lesbian Treaty that Gordon Brown signed behind our backs.
The problem is though, that the governments will only implement it if there is a threat to the EU… “in the case of war, riots, upheaval.”. So in other words, if the EU leaders are threatened they will use it against you, but to dispatch every day criminals they will not use the death penalty.
Would instigators of efforts to take the UK out of the EU be considered guilty of causing ‘upheaval’?
@Up Sh1t creek 100 –
reference or link please – nothing shows up on wikipedia or google, or the Lisbon Treaty pdfs downloadable from wikipedia.
I detest the EU & would greatly enjoy seeing concrete proof of its fundamental hypocrisy.
Absolutely.
I’ve always been a supporter of Human Rights, but this is going to far. The ECHR was designed to stop gratuitous torture, violence and gasing of innocent people. It was not designed to give lying murderous bastards a way of slipping back into society.
Lets face it we are not the most democratic place in the world and votes don’t happen that often. So is it really a big problem?
And those spinless bastards we have running the country should hang their heads in shame at not standing up for OUR values.
Just like the increase in the EU budget- we have been SHAFTED!!!!!!!!!
ECHR – once the major issues have been addressed then its either disband or indulge in mission-creep.
vermin like this man don’t deserve breath let alone a vote
Look at the state of him. A case for euthanasia as much as the death penalty.
Nowt to do with EU
European court of Human Rights not an EU body.
Bollox, it is part and parcel of the same circus, that planted it’s arse on our democracy and has been shitting in our faces ever since.
Cor blimey guvnor, I’m about to be teabagged!
It’s not immediately apparent to me what membership of the EU has to do with this matter.
We were one of the original signatories of the ECHR in 1950, indeed the declaration was drafted largely by Sir David Maxwell-Fyfe. We didn’t join the Common Market until 1973.
Perhaps a basic knowledge of our history and constitution should be a prerequisite for inclusion on the voters roll.
It was written for the stupid dictator loving European mainland who have a rather unfortunate habit of licking dictators arse’s and exterminating millions of their own citizenry, not us. That it is applied to us, the only nation in Europe who consistantly rejected dictatorships, shows a stunning ignorance of history that should be a prerequisite for inclusion on the electoral roll.
Yep, another one of the fucking million reasons (in pounds sterling and loss of soveriengty) to leave the stinking EU.
We would have to leave the Council of Europe and not the EU. All countries in Europe have signed up to the ECHR apart from Belarus.
Shall I hat tip myself?
Hat tipping is so last year don’t you know? It’s the Big Society now, in English this means fuck you and fuck any individuality.
Communism in fact!
Now hat-tipped. Many thanks.
Not your normal sort of language, Guido
Just as every cop is a criminal, and all you sinners saints . . .
I could write a song
Postle
he isn’t portrayed as a nutter in this short film about prison votes by Adam Westbrook…
http://tinyurl.com/36f7krn
Since every piece of mail the leaves a prison is checked and stamped by the prison authorities as safe – I guess every prisoners postal vote will be declared ‘void’ for having a mark on it other then an indication of a vote…
Gone off half cocked…
Remand prisoners already have the vote
Because they have not been convicted of a crime and are therefore still considered innocent.
Exactly that, Mr Ned.
although they are innocent, they are imrpsioned?
Usually the alleged crime is so serious the suspect is held in custody pending trial. Just in case they are guilty and may re-offend or abscond.
Tough on the truly innocent, but probably necessary.
Who said it was a perfect world?
…better safe than sorry
So you think Ian Huntley, for example, should have been free to go back to his day-job until the verdict was announced at the end of his trial?
Huntley should have been hung. No chance of a referendum on this issue as the government knows what the result would be … I suggest it would be overwhelmingly supported.
I understand the Labour party has volunteered to administrate their postal votes……
Restrict postal voting to those registered disabled, banged up in hospital or hospice and serving HM Government overseas. Everybody else has to make the effort to attend a polling station. And if prisoners can’t get there, tough…..
regarding ian huntley… in order for a charge of murder to be put thru a uk court of law evidence of the “deceased” actually being deceased must be presented to the jury.
the jury were never presented with any evidence what so ever that proved the two soham girls were actually dead.
the reality is the two soham girls probably died several years after they were abducted- in some extremely nasty, under the counter sex dungeon.
um… apart from the bodies…?
I don’t know whether this is a bizarre fantasy of yours or not, but – as Anonymous says – … apart from the bodies which were found On 17 August 2002, two weeks after they went missing.
no proof aka evidence that the two soham girls were dead aka pictures or video of their corpses were ever presented to the jury.
regardless of how unsettling such material might be for a jury the simple fact remains- evidence that the deceased are deceased must be presented in court.
there is a whole bunch more of irregularities about this case, but this isn’t the place to discuss them, and it also isn’t the first case involving the abduction/murder of children in this country where “irregularities” have happened.
Votes for prisoners?
It is another stunning victory for “Eurosceptic” Dave against the socialist EU.
This was a court desicon that has been going on for a few years
So rusty dave aint the boss of jackshit then?
What is the point of Westminster if the EU makes the laws & the rules?
They say jump & limp wristed cameron says how high?
No while am not defending Dave , This had been pushed into long grass by labour . If Dave offered to give the people a say and we left the EU he would win a 100 seat majority but he aint got the balls or bottle .
“So rusty dave aint the boss of jackshit then?”
About the long and short of it.
“What is the point of Westminster if the EU makes the laws & the rules?”
Good fucking question. Ask that Hunt Blair and his one eyed fuckwitted apprentice Brown.
The point dear boy and it is glaringly obvious, is to retain the illusion of statehood as it is systematically destroyed.
Baroness Ashton has just created 100+ EU ambassadors who will be going to EU embassies worldwide. What is the point then of ours ? Simply to maintain the illusion.
To make this palatable to our political class, they let them play with domestic ( soon to be supervised ) budgets and hand out the contracts to their respective buddies.
Sandra, will you please get back to Accounts and so some work?
To sandra & Rat’s arse, I know what you’re both doing. Get back yto work or you can join the back of the queue at the brew.
Love to – made redundant two weeks ago.
Got anything you need counting?
Why is it that almost no-one understands the difference between the Council of Europe, and the European Union?
Still, that doesn’t mean the EHCR and the Council of Europe aren’t completely wrong on this.
Oh, we understand perfectly well.
Our democracy, our parliament has been usruped by traitors within for their own profit.
Yes, I think we understand – we are ruled by unelected foreignors & rusty Dave has niether the balls nor the inclination to do anything about it – especially if that involves something as trite & old fashioned as a ballot box.
Death to the Tory traitors.
Except that this is not an EU ruling, it is an ECHR ruling. Two different organisations, both expensive and neither of them any good to us.
They are both facets of the same pan-european super state. The EU was sold to us as a trading bloc, not a political entity able to make law in its member states.
whereas avoiding a decision for years,as the previous government did, was extremely brave?.
Poor excuse. Rusty Dave is the boss now – sorry, not boss, lacky of recycled commie Barroso.
Dave and Nicky are merely the regional organisers / co-ordinators. They make sure whatever the EU institutions want done, is done. Billy Vague can lie and spin it anyway he likes, the facts of the matter are there in plain view, for all to see.
Here’s the list of Dave/Will/Nick’s excuses:
a) Deny there is a problem,
b) Domestic issued are more important,
c) It isn’t going to happen,
d) There is something that suits us in this,
e) It is a eurosceptic rant – ignore it,
f) It only affects other member states,
g) There is might be something but we will resist,
h) We have red lines,
i) We had a great success,
j) We did what we could,
k) That’s not what we expected,
l) Oooh it’s too late now but don’t worry.
and if it gets a little sticky…
m) But still don’t worry because the party is really Eurosceptic and they wouldn’t allow this to happen unless there was a cunning plan – just wait until the PM goes to Brussels next; [s]he’ll get it back!
Well, after years of Labour just sticking their fingers in their ears and going…
‘LALALALALALALA not listening’
…and with the threat of fines against us I think it is good that Dave and co have just got on with it, give them the damn vote, I expect most of them won’t bother to do so anyway.
At least this decision proves who runs Britain, perhaps now some of its population will wake up. We need a need new political force here, one that listens to the nation and does something about it. Not one slaved to a bunch of unelected tossers in Brussels.
…and so the Cappuccino Party was born.
oo, er, Mrs, better think of a different name.
No immigration, withdrawal from EU. withdrawal of troops from Afghanistan. Now just guess which legally formed political party has these as its aims? Yes, *** and which party do the others want banned, yes *** (clue – rhymes with thee n me.)
This is what we’ve just paid the Kinnocks £10m to arrange?
A fabulous lifestyle they could never have dreamed possible, with their limited talents and lack of any discernable ability. The EU is very generous to it’s enablers however.
Labour like to rub your nose in it
I don’t mind giving them the vote, in exchange for all of the bastards having an exercise bike in their cells connected to the national grid. They will then be required to provide 18hrs per day generating electricity in exchange for 1 meal a day and 6 hours sleep.
Failure to provide the correct amount of kilowats and there is a sudden back-surge up yer saddle – just 20.000 volts, enough to make you peddle a bit faster.
Hmmmm…….it certainly beats my plan of rubbing sticks together.
Let’s hope the current flows both ways and the bastards can get 480kV up the arse.
I agree that prisoners shouldn’t get the vote, but for you to then go on and write:
“Reinforces Guido’s belief that the death penalty should be reinstated”.
What if they executed the wrong person?
I assume you think that if they were innocent then they will be forgiven by god and spend eternity in heaven, god will make the mistakes of the mortal all right again, eh?
It was good enough for Bush so it’s good enough for Fawkes News.
Are you as worried about all those innocents killed by recidivist criminals? Their number greatly exceeds any innocent people who may be wrongly executed – even more so since the advent of DNA testing. But then I guess that wouldn’t give you the opportunity to wring your hands and wear your ‘Compassion’ badge for all to see.
Assuming you are correct, which seems to me to be entirely dependant on how many people you committing to death, does that justify the execution of an innocent?
What ratio of lives saved from recidivists to innocents executed would you suggest to be appropriate?
Why complicate things and waste money. Much easier and cheaper to kill them.
Not sure I understand your answer.
How many innocent people is it acceptable to sentence to death per year?
Ask Bliar
Ooops. Meant as a reply for that liberal pussy, ‘concrete pump’ .
‘Liberal pussy’.
Are you new here?
All it needs is for one more innocent life to be saved through execution for it to be worthwhile – that is you concern isn’t it ? The saving of innocent lives? Or is every convicted murderer in your mythical world innocent of their crime?
I recall a study that showed recidivist murders were almost 5%. I’d be quite happy to execute everyone found guilty of murder through DNA evidence safe in the knowledge that less than 5 % of them would be innocent . So make up you mind… are you really concerned about saving innocent lives or just like feeling sorry for scrotes?
There really are some naive and gullible twats around !
Out of a thousand executed murderers up to fifty would be innocent.
You’re happy with the killing of those fifty innocents?
Or why not just bang them up for life (life life) with the rules i would apply (post 98).
Where the fuck did you get 50 from ?
“I’d be quite happy to execute everyone found guilty of murder through DNA evidence safe in the knowledge that less than 5 % of them would be innocent”.
So, if ‘for example’ 1000 were guilty then up to 50 would be innocent, according to your figure of up to 5%.
You do understand that DNA evidence is highly flawed and can be replicated don’t you? It is most definitely not the magic bullet you have been told it is. Try using Google sometimes, it seems a frightful waste not to, if you wish to enhance any knowledge you may, or more likely, not have.
Hey, C. Pump, what part of ‘less than’ don’t you understand, dumbkopf! If we assume 5% of released murderers go on to murder again then using your 1000 figure we’d have at a minimum another 50 innocent people being needlessly killed (that’s not taking into account multiple killings, attempted murders assault etc). If we executed those 1000, it’s a pretty fair guess that fewer than 50 would be innocent, especially if we confined it to DNA evidence. You want to save innocent lives then execute the fuckers and use the money saved to fund victim support groups.
I don’t doubt that innocent people can be saved by putting murderers out on harms way, so bang ‘em up.
State execution will, at some point, kill innocent people. Personally if I were to be hung for a crime I didn’t commit I doubt my thoughts would be “hey ho at least I am less likely to have been killed by a recidivist”
It’s a fucking warped country which would accept the wrongful killing of innocents by the state in pursuit of a greater good.
Ok, fewer than 50. How many fewer is reasonable?
No need for the ‘dumbkopf’ though i’ve been called worse. I thought we were having a decent conversation with two different opinons in action…
When i can spell ‘opinion’, doh!
You set the bar at 5% Anon, you said that so long as less than 5% of those executed were innocent you’d be okay with that.
If the figures less than 5% what is it? How innocent people would you execute to get all the murderers?
You wouldn’t be wearing your ‘compassion badge’ if a close friend or family member was wrongfully executed, i take it?
I would rather see murderers, rapists etc locked in a cell 24 hrs a day, never to be let out. I would feed them 3 times a day with a tray slid under the door, once a week a high pressure hose could be applied to prevent the stink.
No books, no visits…..nothing. The cost of keeping someone like this would be minimal.
Voluntary suicide would also be available, (a la ‘Escape From New York’).
So don’t assume i’m some liberal pussy, eh.
At the risk of turning this into the moral maze; what if the conditions you describe drove a wrongfully convicted man to voluntary suicide?
Good point.
Well it would just be one less scumbag on the face of the planet…
Would you still be wearing your compassion badge if a family member or friend was murdered by a former convicted murderer who would otherwise have been executed? Would you be saying, “Oh, sorry for your loss but think of the infintessimally small number of innocent people who’ve been saved from execution as a result of me being a liberal pussy.” I think they’d appreciate your sentiment.
No, because in my hypothetical prison plan (my post @ 12:21) murderers et al would be locked up for life, never to be released.
I’m not sure that if I was innocent but convicted I would like your “life” conditions much more than I would the noose, frankly.
At the very least – we SHOULD be hanging ‘released’ murderers who go out and murder again ! There should be no third chance ! In fact I would go as far as to say that anyone convicted of taking another persons life (in any way) should if imprisoned again – get the rope !
Fact is that to have the death penalty – oour justice system needs to be beefed up and more rigorous ! Likewise – the police have to be cleaned up and their procedures less about paperwork/targets and more about gaining evidence.
There is too much wrong with the criminal justice system at the moment to allow the return of the death penalty – though I am in essence in favour.
When it was abolished it was with the guarantee the “Life would mean life” – which as we now know – life was redefined by politicians to mean whatever they deemed expedient ! with the halving of sentences for good behaviour – life has been redefined as half llife !
By politicians standards – they could sort out the Nuclear waste issues in no time flat !
One of the ONLY functions of government is to ‘protect the public’ – yet since the abolition of the death penalty – they have failed miserably and are getting worse as time goes on ! They now have to account for the cost of keeping these so called ‘lifers’ – and do not like the budget ! If they had not interfered – the hand wringers – they would not have the issue and the people would have more confidence in the Justice system.
Todays idea of justice is – whatever you can get away with is acceptable ! Its a lifestyle choice ! The mantra of the left ! The increase in crime gives politicians more power – which ultimately (along with cash) ! Is what the professional politician is all about ! This is why things will never be sorted until we ‘real worlders’ as the governing party ! Fat chance now that the EU has full control !
Agree that ‘life’ should mean life. Otherwise, just call it what it is: 10 years, 12 years, whatever.
I thought it was 6 years of escorted shopping trips followed by a new identity.
The hope of parole and ultimate release is to keep them manageable i.e. to make life easier for the screws.
What’s wrong is the assumption on the prisoner’s part that they’ll only serve 1/2 their sentence — for the 3/4s of their sentence they should assume they’re serving the full whack.
Keeping the lags manageable is down to turning a blind eye to cannabis use after lock up.
Especially in Y.O.I’s.
Lot’s of bad things happen to the wrong person, it’s called life and death.
Why bother with justice at all then? It would save money, no prisons, no police. And when your attacked in the street you could ring 999 and hear upwinds recorded voice say:
“Lot’s of bad things happen to the wrong person, it’s called life and death.”
surely him being in possession of drugs and potentially booze puts him in breach of his license the pratt
Why would drinking Champagne be a breach of his licence? He’s not at a Tory party conference.
i thought some people werent allowed booze as part of their licence – i am assuming that he is out of prison given the champagne?
Didn’t Labour put mini-bars in all prison cells?
They took the bars off of the windows. Now you can get to shag the lady Warden too.
Why stop there? Perhaps everyone with a criminal record could be disenfranchised. It might raise the tone.
Is it my imagination or are you getting very thin skinned these days?
That would disenfranchise the reformed and too great a proportion of the population. Temporary loss of liberties is part of the punishment.
tell it to the Guildford four my ‘oirish’ chum
VERY thin skinned
how about you can’t vote for 5 years after being found guilty of something?
(or take benefits, or use the health service etc)
Or how about you can’t vote if your sentence doesn’t end before the next similar election?
If you’re due to be released in 2 weeks, I could just about accept a vote there. If you’re in for life – no vote.
How about you can’t vote if you intend to vote Labour?
Agreed. Convicted prisoners should get shelter, food, water and nothing else whilst inside. But when they have served their time, they should be afforded the opportunity to go straight.
Education ? help for mental illnes, drug addication ?
Education: “I don’t want to go back there.”
Help for Mental Illness: There’s none outside either.
Drug Addiction: Cold Turkey.
Education ? help for mental illnes, drug addication ?
That’s 3 strikes for Dubya.
Unwanted attention in the showers?
Sounds like special pleading to me. Besides, how do we know you’re reformed?
Shit! You beat me to it Jimmy.
You need a brain to have imagination Jimmy. Doh!
Seems to me that MPs are mostly criminals (even if they have managed to escape convictions because they’re not ‘the little people’), so clearly MPs shouldn’t be allowed to vote.
(I can dream, can’t I ?)
best way jimmy would be to disenfranchise anyone on the dole anyone who votes labour or generally looks like a scrote.
Gott in Himmel! He’s on to something!!
Good old Bliar, he signed us up to this nonsense. We all told the Grinning Chimp that it was a bad idea and, lo, it has come to pass yet again….
When anyone commits a crime they leave their ‘ooman rights at the scene, and they should only get them back after earning them, as civilised members of society. For the really bad ones – like the low-life above – they should serve the kind of sentence that is permanent – ie it starts with a rope and a journey of a few feet downwards.
And Cameron’s in charge now.
If he doesn’t have the balls to tell the EU to fuck off then tough titty.
When will he tell the European Court to fuck itself? That is not an EU body, just another unelected, costly European body which we help pay for and get no good use out of.
God Bless yer Dave. You’re a gem for thinking of all ours human rights. Never mind what we’re in for we’ve got rights an’ all.
Go back to being dead. It suits you better.
Tessa, I can’t disagree with any of your comments. Well said!
****well said
I always prefered ‘Grinning Jackanape’
Presumably with the small constituency size in local elections they could put up their own convict candidate who would have a pretty good chance of getting in on a manifesto of instant release for all. It would probably be their human right to be the candidate and their right to attend meetings outside prison and claim expenses
No mention of prisoners being eligible to stand as candidates (although that is a logical conclusion).
Where will their votes count though – in the prison’s local constituency (potentially affecting the result), or each prisoner’s home constituency (an administrative nightmare).
I blame Bobby Sands…….
” No mention of prisoners being eligible to stand as candidates ”
Given human rights and Harmperson’s equality laws as they now stand, just about anyone could sue and win on the grounds of discrimination, the right to stand for any public office.
Anyone except a white hterosexual male !!!!
Where are they to vote?If it’s the prison constituency,then the Isle of Wight has a problem with two large nicks.
80,000+ postal votes for the taking. We can’t wait.
Excthellent.
Presumably if it’s not the prison locality they vote in it’s the even more morally dubious idea that they vote where they were criminals!
It is being proposed that their vote pertains to their last known address before prison.
Hirst celebrating with all his friends there…
Obviously easily pleased. I didn’t crack any champagne even when the wife left.
Isn’t life great? I’m all of those nasty things and I still get the vote… and I’m free!
When you vote for low life funded by low life, what do you expect.
There are some absolute fucking morons who comment on this blog. Me excepted of course.
Oh, right. The EUROPEAN Comission on Human Rights has nothing to do with the EUROPEAN Union.
Perhaps they could be introduced – they seem to have some things in common?
We signed (indeed we larglet wrote) the ECHR in 1950.
We didn’t join the Common Market until 1973.
If we left the EU we would still be bound by the terms of the ECHR.
It worries me that so many people who have a vote are so ignorant.
Perhaps they could do with a spell in prison to read up on these matters.
Hera hear. Me included.
yop
Growth in the construction industry fell to an eight-month low today as the driving force of the UK’s recovery suffered a blow to confidence.
The latest Markit/CIPS Purchasing Managers’ Index (PMI) survey – where a reading above 50 indicates growth – fell from 53.8 in September to 51.6 in October. The market had expected a more modest fall to 53.
The figures are worrying because the construction industry has been a major factor behind the UK’s economic growth this year.
While the construction sector only accounts for 6.3% of GDP, it was responsible for half of the 1.2% GDP growth in the second quarter and a quarter of the 0.8% GDP growth in the third quarter
I’ll bet you’re a hoot at parties.
BTW, have you got rid of those sack-loads of undelivered letters you hid in your garden shed?
Yes I wank into them some days when I am at a loose end.
A bullet through the head for peedos. Or maybe a cheese grater to the c*ck and balls.
That includes female peedos?
All this prison vermin should be exterminated or failing that a suicide kit in every cell. Why should our taxes be wasted on this scum.
Hang the bastards, need a hang man, plenty of volunteers!
Stick your death penalty up your arse, Fawkes. I know quite enough incompetent criminal barristers to convince me that judicial killing is a no-no. It also seems old-school Tory rather than the libertarian that you claim to be.
As for voting rights, I think we should restrict them so that anyone convicted of rape, murder, armed robbery or any form of sexual assault is not allowed to vote, but other convicts should be. If, for example, someone is serving time for possession of a controlled substance, they should not be disenfranchised of their right to support a politicain who stands for the regulation or legalisation of that contolled substance. If we as a society decide that certain things warrant imprisonment, we shouldn’t be deaf to the views of people who do such things.
The crime is irrelevent, surely? Either all prisoners get the vote, or none. A murderer may have more sense than a shop lifter.
If we restricted the vote to those thought to be upstanding and pure it wouldn’t take long to count them.
A shirt lifter ??
He’s a lawyer, doing what lawyers do best manipulating a situation where lawyers can profit.
Simple system A, blanket ban, easily and uncontroversially operated. Complicated system B, lots of subgroups and potential sub groups, hard to administer and full of potential conflicts.
System A ( uncomplicated ) has no profit for lawyer.
System B (complicated and divisive ) has lots of money making potential and being prisoners means, lots of lovely legal aid money to boot.
I’m a great believer in allowing turkeys to vote for Christmas…
We should all, by now, realise that Gudio is not a libertarian. He’s a social conservative and neo-liberal on economics.
I would weep no tears for Hirst, but in a free society which respects individual, sending innocents to their death in the pursuit of the greater good is anathema.
So you should support execution – the number of innocents killed from recidivist crimes greatly exceeds the number of innocents likely to be wrongly executed. You are after all concerned about saving innocent lives, aren’t you? Aren’t you…
There is an easy way to prevent recidivism.
Exactly, lock em up.
Omelettes, eggs?
Well said, Guido.
And is this not merely part and parcel of “just and sustainable development” — weasel words that have been crafted to produce a conflation in the mind of the seething masses (I use the term ironically) between “just development if and only if sustainable development” (its logical disambiguation) and “justice and sustainable development” (the actual guts of the trojan horse).
Prisoners getting to vote is yet another effect of the agenda to devalorize suffrage, and make us all think that the post-democratic age is merely the return of feudalism. An agenda that the politicians are only to happy to go along with, now that post-B’liar they all see themselves as the nomenklatura: not as statesmen or leaders (properly thought of), but as people working (i.e. troughing) as policians.
Some c u n t was on with Dame Nikki Campbell this morning along with a few of the usual left wing dykes ringing in all in support. The C u n t Nikki had in the studio thought no one should serve omre than 8 years for murder and kept wanking on (along with the dykes) about his ‘uman rites’ to vote.
Well what about the ‘uman rites’ of those who are fucking dead now? They don’t get to vote, or the ‘uman rites’ of old ladies raped and beaten to a pulp and left to spend the rest of their pitiful days living as a vegetable in a shit NHS hospital. Where is her right to vote now?
They should hang all these c u n t s from posts in every town centre, starting with politicians and liberals.
I say we murder and rape all those who might be this type of scum and fuck their ooman rights!!
it’s the only way to be sure
innit?
No we are so civilised now we have great respect for human life, thats why most murderers usually only spend a few years in jail.
Except within the green movement, who seem to think that brainwashing children to accept that killing the unconverted to the green cult is perfectly reasonable and that mass murder / genocide, is a good thing, because it will save Gaia from “infesting” humans.
Sign me up for that! The only good Liberal’s a dead one.
The only good liberal is one never born.
Thank God* for Abortion rights!
*AC1 is an Agnostic/Atheist.
QWERTY for PM.
Here-Here
If yet another reason were ever needed to cut our national suicide in the grasp of Bruss/Stras hege -money,then tell the parent of a (dead)child that a convicted killer will be allowed,nay encouraged to vote.
80% of law is now IMPOSED by that FRAU
DCOM/CORP let us have our power of self-determination restored? HOC will no longer be a neutered Parish Council !
Cameron has a veto for this very silly ruling. He simply suggests to the EU that he will offer an ‘in’ ‘out’ referendum in the UK.
They are so desperate for our money that they will u-turn on the policy – Simples!
Without our money the whole rotten shithouse collapses. There is no obligation on the government or the people to pay into a fraudulent enterprise, none whatsoever. Why is our government compounding fraudulent activity, when it clearly does not have to and it is against the law to do so?
Dave Cameron’s Plans for 2015 [tm] (c) D Cameron. All Rights Reserved.
Plan A: Make a half-arsed effort to win the General Election.
Plan B: Get a cushy job in the EU.
Note to self: keep shovelling other people’s money to the EU in case of plan B.
That’s the EU for yer, their up the wall, unfuckingbelievable!
This country really has gone to the dogs.
I’m afraid there is no money. I blew it all at Hall Green.
I think all suicide bombers should get the vote
Nahh, just leave ‘em to their own devices…chortle
Tee hee!
You must be a)Gaga b)Traitorous Rofl!Show your hand
The small print has not been read!!
If the advantage of a postal vote has not been taken then they will be released on home day leave unescorted to vote with appropriate taxi fares!
That seems fair. What’s wrong with that and applies even to the lowest parish by election.
I think executing people who vote Labour is overdoing things a little bit
It clearly calls for a ‘three strikes and you’re out’ policy WRT executing people for persistently voting labour.
Nothing too draconian, or polly will be calling us right wing again.
I don’t!
I don’t, they should be hunted down with rabid dogs and afterwards their remains should be ground up and used to fill potholes.
Dave clearly hasn’t thought through all the options. If prisoners are denied the vote they can claim £750 in damages. OK let them claim. As things stand, if an innocent person is cleared of the crime for which they have done time, on their release they can be charged board and loging for the time spent indside.
So it’s simple, when guilty people are relased on completion of their sentance they will be charged a minimum of £750 board and lodging.
Problem solved.
Having said that, the solution in long term, is the total destruction of the 4th Reich
Hey! How else will we increase our votes if we don’t allow criminals the vote?
Give the dead the vote?
I have voted Labour for years.
I always thought those that voted Lieber were dead [brain dead at least].
Tombstones have a cross on don’t they?
You could let four or five million people into the country and give them all British Passports.
Oh, shit, forgot. You tried that, didn’t you? Oh well, it nearly worked.
They’re playing the long game. You only need to look at the demographics in our schools to know that within 2 or 3 generations we’re totally banjaxed!
If he is out on licence how come he is smoking dope in public. Surely the scum bag should be put back inside.
Don’t tell the lefties that,he was sick when he hit his landlady with the axe according to them,Hirst should never have been allowed out of prison,but he is in a sort of prison being on benefits in Prescott land.
Very poor logic, Guido. No – I correct myself – it’s no fking logic at all.
Reason to leave the ECHR / EU. Not reason for the death penalty.
The main problem here is the fact British laws should be made in the UK Parliment not some marxist buliding in Brussels or wherever, If this had been done in our parlimen then we could have no complaints but as it has been taken by someone who proberly has never lived here then it is unaceptalbe as we can hold no one acountable for the desicon .
Do you ever read the shite you spout ? For fucks sake man, speak English.
Nope !
HD telly with 500 channels and free p0rn in every cell; golden syrup in your porridge; all screws to address you as “sir” and heated toilet seats if you vote for ME!
BUGGINS – the convict’s choice!
You just know that Hirsts room and whole house (paid for by us) stinks of fags, smelly socks and BO
“H” just go to 192.com and you can a pic of his house (paid for by us) then post it?
\As tro all you blleding heart shithouses worrying about the wrong person going for thje drop
BOLLOCKS!
We are not in the 1960′s/70s any more
And I think that the likes of Hirst should have been hung before he got the chance to kill
He looks very ill so hopefully will die a slow, lonely and very painful death
I remember some threats by some person to a person on a long shutdown blog,it was about the time when Hirst it turned out was worried about getting recalled because his new probation officer who didn’t understand,that bit you will find in Mrs Dales message archives by Hirst,around the time Boris decided to run for mayor.
You know damn well my opinions on a lot of stuff Beast. I do not support a return to state sponsored murder.
Am i a ‘bleeding heart shithouse’, Beast?
Yes you are!!
I wasn’t asking you, anonymous c*nt…!
Like concrete pump’s your real name! Pussy!!!
People choose a moniker and generally stick to it, the reason being is that other posters know who they’re replying to. When you post as anonymous it makes that hard. You could be any other ‘anon’ on this thread.
What’s with the ‘pussy’? have you called me that because you failed to make your point further up the thread, you see i don’t know – because you post as anonymous. Or do you think you’re an internet ‘tough guy’?
Ignore the last paragraph, i forgot i called you a c*nt.
Concrete Pump you are a good chap, but on this issue I am with Guido. Scum like Hirst should be shot in the face. However we should be given a referendum to decide on such matters. If the majority are in favour then so be it.
May i refer you to my post @98 – 12:21.
I’ll bet a ketchup smeared sock that if a referendum was held, then 60% would vote no to a return to the death penalty.
I think you would get a shock…more like 70% in favour
Well, you’ll never find out because I’m not giving you a referendum on anything.
This is my country and I’m going to play with it as I wish. The public’s opinions aren’t going to get in the way of my fun.
We’ll agree to disagree, Alan.
I think you’d be disappointed, cp. The latest poll I could find (Ipsos Mori Nov 2009) found:
“70 per cent think the UK should still have the death penalty as the maximum possible penalty for at least one of the 12 different types of crime surveyed
73 per cent agree (50 per cent strongly agree) that the views of the public are being ignored by politicians and the Government when setting maximum sentences and penalties for serious crimes.
76 per cent agree (51 per cent strongly agree) that there should be more open debate in the UK about the penalties for serious crimes, including the death penalty.
77 per cent agree (56 per cent strongly agree) that they are concerned that the maximum penalties (or sentences) that are set in the UK for child abuse are not severe enough”
Just wait till I get my hands of the moron who gave women the vote.
What a raving idiot !!!!
Does Guido know which police authority has juristiction over this individual? He should be reported to the police for consumption of a class B drug. I’m aware of Guido’s own views on marijuana, and am not normally bothered by it myself, but I’m keen for the life of this lowlife to be made difficult through any means possible.
I tried it a few years ago, I even spoke to the c unts probabtion officer
Forget it
Surely he would claim the ‘joint’ was merely tobacco and his words were in jest?
Plus the police don’t give a sh*t anyway.
He’s a little scamp, that’s all.
We’re too busy attending equality and diversity learning experiences to deal with little scamps like him.
It’s easy to test for Mary Jane.
is that using the arthur rank method ?
This interweb is getting good, after watching that clip, the smell of maijuana is pervading my living room.
I wasnt allowed to vote however I was allowed to become an honourable member of the HOC
I didnt actualy sit as I found the company of my fellow members to be too much to bare
No I preferred a shit smeared room , a blanket, and a pint of water a day on H block to sitting on a green bench with the scum of the earth
I preferred my men with a little more meat on them.
Er, point of order, Mr. Fawkes. John Hirst was convicted of manslaughter, not murder, on the grounds of ‘diminished responsibility’.
Shouldn’t “diminished responsibility” be grounds for refusing a person a vote?
They let Gordon vote ?
@ Moley
Interesting point. Who should be allowed to vote? The crazies in the loony bins? Those receiving ‘care in the community’ etc?
I’ve major reservations as to the sanity of Labour voters anyway.
Then he should have been transferred to a mental institution for the rest of his life,he used an axe,why would he need an axe he was in digs at the time or did he need it to chase a chicken in the back yard for his tea.
have you noticed
The labour parties spokespeople are so bad that the BBC actually have to prompt them
Wondered what party the criminals will mainly vote for
Just who is the softest on crime
I’m not soft on crime, I just won’t jail anyone.
Whoever pays them most?
Thick bitch Mary Riddell approves
http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/maryriddell/100061814/david-cameron-is-right-to-give-prisoners-the-vote/
maybe she should meet John Hirst for a celebratory bottle of champagne
she agrees with Dave
stupid twat
A big influence on Parliamant’s decision to abolish the death penalty was the book written by ‘Ludicrous’ Kennedy, which purported to prove that Joseph Hanratty was not guilty of, what I believe was known as, the A6 murder, in spite of his being positively identified by the woman he raped and paralysed as being the man who fatally shot her lover.
A few years ago DNA tests proved that Hanratty was guilty.
It would do wouldn’t it? ‘Can’t have embarrassment of being wrong and all that would imply?
James Hanratty. was hanged in 1962.
Another spineless display from cast-iron Cameron…
As some people have pointed out but needs reiterating, the ECHR and the EU are two separate bodies.
Both have far too much say in this country’s affairs though.
Seperate as in tweedle dee and tweedle dum. One comes with the other, they should go with each other too.
Your armed forces are not your own anymore, call me Dave has signed them away! So welcome to your new country, Francobritannia, party of the European Union empire!
Why don’t you write about the British surrounding to French today.
Shhh.. I think the plan is to steal their aircraft carrier, paint “Cheese-eating Surrender Monkeys” on the sides and then, in the dead of night, sail it up the Seine to Paris.
I think the plan is a United States of Europe.
Or the Etats-Unis d’Europe, as it will be called.
I still think my idea was better.
OK, OK, OK. I’ll admit it. The Lisbon Treaty WAS the EU Constitution under a different name. I lied. So what? Now live with it.
It was Sue’s fault.
I thought I was meeting that nice Liz Bonn
This is where you really, really hope there’s a God so that there’s a hell where the bad people suffer for eternity.
No, it is where you really, really hope there’s a Satan so there’s a hell where the bad people suffer for eternity.
When I voted at the last election I naively thought that removal of the Labour Administration and replacing it with a Tory one might just revive the British way of life and the principles of which I was proud.
God how wrong was! We now have a regime of Hooray Henrys who have as much backbone as a jelly fish, never done a real days work in their life, all form privileged backgrounds, who would have problems standing up for the National Anthem let alone stand up to the EU Bureaucrats. I will never vote for this heap of shite ever again!!
Some of us knew that Cameron was nothing more than Blair mk 2.
He cannot be trusted. He’s certainly more of a socialist than right wing. All the talk about reducing the state and what? Nothing has changed except a tiny handful of quangos going.
Other than that, more tax, more control, armed forces shafted, more handing over powers to the EU. Just like Brown, really.
Remember, with the UKIP vote the Tories would have had a majority.
Now, they’re f*cked. More disenchanted voters will vote UKIP and I guess a large number of LibDems will go back to Labour.
Yep, I am one such Tory going to UKIP until Cameron et al are purged from the party.
Relying on the French for our defence was the final straw – but we all know that “Eurosceptic” Dave knows this is the best way to achieve a EU Rapid Reaction Force via the backdoor.
The Conservative Party should hang its head in shame.
The pooling resources guff does not hold any water at all. No doubt the MSM will not call him out on it.
Well I didn’t vote LibLabCon.
Blame the electorate Grandad. IF the Conservatives hadn’t had to go into partnership with the wishy washy happy clappy Liberals, it WOULD have all been different. Just as a matter of interest, who did you vote for before,,,,,,,erm let me guess…………………!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
But here’s the thing, I’m not sure it would have been different.
Cameron would have still implemented his ‘blue labour’ agenda with or without Clegg imho.
Indeed, it was well signposted and he made no secret of his contempt for real Tories.
Sorry to rub it in, but plenty of us told you so. Dave’s U-turn on Lisbon was the give away. Not just the headline, but the details – the way he blew his own negotiating position. And, he’s just done it again, ruling out a UK referendum before the EU budget is agreed, and before the terms of Merkel’s amendments are known. There is no doubt here – this can only be deliberate.
Of course.
Many of use saw that as the sign that Cameron was just more of the same lefty nonsense. A pitifully weak man, who, like Blair will cash in on his contacts and no doubt become enormously wealthy after he’s kicked out.
Mind you, look at what’s happening to ‘Saint’ Obama – maybe the world’s catching up to these politicians with nice suits and empty heads.
I’m afraid I thought Cameron (even with a hung Parliament) would have had to take note of his own back benchers… but half of them are newbie, wet behind the ears and desperate to get on with the top brass and most of them can’t even remember a time when Parliament was sovereign and the UK was free.
That said, people must press their MP on their position regarding the EU… most especially those in marginal seats. Make it VERY clear that you will be watching how they vote and which debates they attend on EU-related matters.
Best you can do this time around, short of going onto the streets (maybe something we will be forced into). But next time, in the name of all that’s holy, vote for a party that EXPLICITLY believes in what you do.
A lot of the new intake were selected and onboard with Cameron’s “progressive” agenda. They will not rock the boat, just as ZaNu never rocked Bliar or Brown. Just collect the cash, do as you are told and shut your mouth or you are out, merchants.
Just to tie two threads together, we’ll never get a referendum on leaving the EU for the same reason we will never get a referendum on capital punishment.
If I went over to his place and ‘accidentally’ hacked him to death, I wouldn’t expect to be voting again.
Probably a far swap, though…
Iam sorry but due to the comprehensive spending review this political blogging site has now been cut by order of the coalition
The political elites in France and Germany were determined that never again would Europe be ravaged by the antics of Dictators such as Napoleon and Hitler.
In order to prevent the formation of a dictatorship, France and Germany set up the European Union which was deliberately designed in such a way as to prevent the project being derailed by the democratic vote of the peoples of Europe.
They have set up a dictatorship of their own, to prevent other future dictators from grabbing power via the ballot box.
But power corrupts, and without the restraint of the ballot box The European Government is transforming itself into the dictatorship which everybody feared.
Only would a dictator ignore the legal requirements for financial audit and weeding out corruption.
Only would a dictatorship compel countries to do things which are opposed by their people; (Greek austerity, and the prisoners vote forcibly rammed down the throats of the British public).
A pity UKIP isn’t in the Commons and part of the Coalition Government. Dave, don’t cave in. Get Britain out of the European Convention on Human Rights, whose unelected judges are now, by their decision on votes for prisoners, discrediting the concept of human rights.
Dave the Cave (in).
Errrrrrrrrrr. AND OF COURSE COCKHEAD AND HIS SIDE KICK CLEGG ARE GONNA DO ALL THEY CAN TO OPPOSE THIS !!!!!!!!!
Of course institutions fall over backwards to help with uman rites,but what a bout the publics human rights,we don’t appear to have any,my human rights are I should be able to walk down a road without some sicko wanting to put an axe in my head and if he did do me in he would get caught and found guilty of murder,not manslaughter and spend eternity in jail and not let out to worry the community he lives in and not get them worried if he will do it again.
The Conservative Coalition Capitulation Clan
“ UK Bill of Rights” – In the bin I guess, U-turn Number 24 since May.
To quote Cockhead “We are going to end the compensation culture” – Now surrenders to EU on grounds that the compensation cost will be too high.
Do what the Frogs and Krauts do – tell them to Fuck Off. But then it is their club, unwelcome members of which we are. De Gaulle’s ‘Non’ still rings true.
It’s essentially Germany’s club, France are there as a useful German ally and to make themselves feel as if they really matter. Which of course they do, so long as they remain a German poodle, which of course they have every intention of remaining. The rest are there to be manipulated, milked and mugged. Something that a patsy like Cameron is more than capable of being.
he has plenty of time to read the manifestos
wonder what part he will vote for?
Let’s point the finger of blame where it should lay, with our very own politicians; who if they could have stopped for a moment from fiddling their expenses and other criminal activities sorted this out in the first place.
If when the first judgement went against the British government we had had a proper debate upon this matter we could have decided which prisoners would retain their right to vote and those that forfeited that right forever.
Instead because of the inaction of our politicians we look like ending up with the worst of all the opportunities that were on the table.
Now who was in power for the majority of those six years?
It was the right thing to do
This will also of course extend to people who are transferred to, and detained in, medium/low secure mental hospital units, from prisons. (part 3 of the 1983 MH Act, re sections 37/41)
The Mental Health Act Commission, before it was abolished last year, produced a report in 2008 criticising the last government for not allowing these patients/prisoners to vote and noted that this was contrary to the rules of the ECHR.
I recently worked in a medium secure unit, where many patients were ‘step down’ from high secure hospitals eg Broadmoor, or prison transfers. Nearly all refused to accept any responsibility for their crimes (which included murder)
I don’t agree with giving such people the vote. However, I don’t agree with the death penalty.
Fuck am starting to think about eugenics !
I’m going to vote early and vote often!
The c u n t on with Dame Nikki this morning (John Hirst) also thinks that every prisoner should have the internet in his cell (well that should keep the kiddy fiddlers and terrorists happy). Oh and did I mention he thinks 8 years should be the maximum for murder.
You can read about the c u n t here
http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2006/nov/18/ukcrime.weekend7
Don’t include Nottingham, Dolfie. They nivver fancied working dahn t’pit. Mainly white riff raff ‘ere duck
Wasnt there a saying ” Better that 100 gultiy men go free than 1 innocent man wrongly convivted ” or something like that ?
Not spelled the way you spelled it, Billy.
Yeah, there was. It was bollocks then and it still is now
There are a lot of very aggressive people here, demanding vengeance on all the criminals. Many of you are clamouring for the death of killers. What does that make you?
Are all of you entirely innocent? I know that I’m not.
Rights can NOT be taken away. Only priveleges can.
You do NOT have a right to be safe. You never will have, unless you surrender ALL your freedom. Get this into your thick heads. All of you.
You do NOT have a right to be safe. You never will have, unless you surrender ALL your freedom. Get this into your thick heads. All of you.
You do NOT have a right to be safe. You never will have, unless you surrender ALL your freedom. Get this into your thick heads. All of you.
Hmmm. Can we add repetition to the list of capital crimes?
Yes.
There’s enough clutter in here already, without repetiton. In my defence though, the things I say are always interesting.
David Cameroon keeps spouting how it makes financial sense for the british and french armed forces to combine into one military unit, but he is not telling us about the initial cost of converting all our military vehicles to french specifications.I cant imagine what this cost would be. but it must be quite expensive to fit two extra reverse gears
put the steering wheels on the left
Might be a problem with the rations as well no swapping ragout avec pommes dauphinoise for corned beef hash, merde! your chef cooks like how you say?, the breath of a donkey.
Might need to order a few more standard issue white flags,
Daves worn his one out.
Not really most military vehicles in the west confirm to NATO standards already in terms of fuel types, connectors etc.
I really don’t know why people are getting their knickers in a twist over this, outside of the USA the French are the only other western Country with forces that can actually fight.
People also need to stop wanking over the Falklands, the Falklands are now defended by a full on well prepared airbase, the Argies also know the damage a nuclear sub can do to a surface fleet.
Aircraft carriers are not needed, except to keep the one eyed snot eating homosexual from Fife popular with his scummy ginger haired twats that vote for him.
It seems the lessons of the Falklands Islands have been totally ignored, an aircraft carrier is a even bigger sitting duck than the ships that were taken out by one exocet missile and that was with technology now 30 years old. USS Cole was crippled by 6 Arabs in a rubber Zephyr speed boat.
“But how will the French defend Paris?” Mrs Thatcher: “I don’t know, they’ve never tried…” True story.
It’s an Englishmans born right to piss off the French,just as it’s the Frenchies born right to do the same to us rostbeefs,all this lovin an kissin from Napolean Sarky and cast iron dave,won’t change that one bit,when will cast iron Dave arrive and show us his piece of paper from the steps of the plane.
Surely the fatal flaw in all this is that the French will be able to veto any British adventure of which they disapprove.
(That would have kept us out of I*raq and A*fghanistan. No freedom for a British PM to go to war for the USA. Hmm.)
Suddenly, I am completely in favour!
And does this mean that we are going to have to find new targets for our nuclear warheads?
What a pain.
Conversations to be heard in the future following the announcement of the joint British/French armed forces agreement.
“Right Jacques,we’ll provide covering fire while you go in,OK?…………Jacques? Jacques? JACQUES? Where the fuck’s he gone?”
Captain “OK Jacques, we attack undercover of darkness tonight”
Jacques “But I can’t”
Captain “Why”
Jacques “Because my Mum won’t let me out in the dark” [...]
Reveal the rest of this joke
Conversations to be heard in the future following the announcement of the joint British/French armed forces agreement.
“Right Jacques,we’ll provide covering fire while you go in,OK?…………Jacques? Jacques? JACQUES? Where the fuck’s he gone?”
Captain “OK Jacques, we attack undercover of darkness tonight”
Jacques “But I can’t”
Captain “Why”
Jacques “Because my Mum won’t let me out in the dark”
Admiral Jacques “Monsieur I shall show you the controls of the ships bridge before I retire for the night. Here are the most important items, the reverse lever, the fast reverse lever and the fucking hell get us out of here quick lever”
Greg, we spent all the moeny!
When copying and pasting material from sickipedia, try not to include the bit that says, “Reveal the rest of this joke”. It spoils the flow.
Yet another poisoned chalice left behind by the lunatics who were in power from 1997 – 2010.
For gods sake, we MUST consign the ‘uman rites act to the dustbin. If Brussels/Strasbourg don’t like it, well they can go fuck themselves.
Blame the Lib Dems Mike.
I think that the tories give in far too easily to the Lib Dems on the human rights act when negotiating the coalition agreement.
How unseeing so many of you are ! It is nothing to do with the LibDims – thats the cover story which will be used over and over – just like weasel Cameron did with the EU – we can’t have a referendum – because its already signed !
Weasel, Weasel words for a weasel that lives in weaselville in weaselland on the planet weasel !
Cameron is a just a marxist with a blue tie (probably made out of immitation weasel skin).
Cameron always has someone else to blame – its not my fault !!! – typical leftie excuse monger !
All you people who fell for his weaseling before the elections are now making excuses for him ! Why d’you think he wanted a libdim coilition ! he could have formed a minority government – done the right thing and if prevented – could have pointed to them actively preventing him from doing what the people wanted !!!! Called an election and probaly done enough to convince the voting public of his sceptic claims ! how much easier though to pretend that it is ‘what the public wanted’ ! Yeah – we really wanted a leftie coilition who was going to continue to sell out OUR country !
Well the conservatives are NEVER going to convince us BOO people to vote Tory again ! We are NOT going to support AV (if we have any sense !) and if it gets voted in – we ARE NOT going to put an x against any Tory candidates even 5th or 6th CHOICE ! EVER – until we have had an in or out referendum !
Despite everything, I still hate Brown, The Labour Party, Red Ed, Balls, Harman, Dromey, Bryant, Byrne, Bradshaw, Hain, Alexander etc etc etc
They could let all the prisoners out and become part of France but I would still hate Labour
What that NuLabor scum did to this country should never be forgotten, nor forgiven!
Otherwise some fecking leftie academics will be re-writing our grandchildren’s history books to enable the scum offspring to get back into power.
Hi , My names Tim Lovejoy and i am a loser .
All the sad act left wing bed wetters crying about how barbaric the death penatly is boo boo hoo hoo, well those thick hypocritical fuckers won’t have a say in twenty years when Sharia Law is implemented thanks to their constant fucking bending over to appease LOL.
Pity that muslim bitch didn’t kill that Labour MP she stabbed.
Scum like Hirst would have been executed before 1966 before the liberal, soft hearted politicians defied the will of the people and banned the DEATH PLEABLTY.
This is what there should be a referendum on,,give the public a chance to vote to restore capitak punishmnet,,not some stupid voting system.
BRING BACK CAPITAL PUNISHMENT.
they thought it was all over …it was then…..bring it back…we want public hangings, official floggings and ball smacking with mallets…referendum now…yeah come on dave grow some.
Pity that bitch didn’t kill that Labour MP she stabbed.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2010/nov/01/stephen-timms-stabbing-old-bailey
Would of been one less lefty bed wetter to worry about.
Kill all Pedos, you know it makes sense.
We demand franchise for gingers.
http://www.mysod.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2008/09/rodent.jpg
O/T Yes its from the Guardian but
http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2010/nov/02/british-libertarian-blog-decline
We demands the vote for our brothers around the world! They are hero martyrs and must haves right to voting in Britainistan!
….I’m working on it, Balls is a pushover, as the son of an illegal immigrant he is very very sympathetic, just our sort of chap.
Looks like Dave will be a one term wonder like Obama if this carries on.
The Tories had better read him the riot act ASAP because the prospect of Ed Miliband in Downing Street doesn’t bear thinking about.
Already done and dusted as far as I’m concerned. People don’t like being fooled.
That sums it up in a nutshell.
There is one tiny consolation in all this: When Ed Miliband waves to the rent-a-crowd in Downing St, he’ll turn to walk through the door of Number 10 and we’ll see the look of shock on his gormless face as the union bosses kick him to the ground as they barge through the door, first.
Fuck me, they’re 5 months into a 5 year programme and you HuntS are wondering why it’s not all done yet!! FFS dimshits is your patience as small as your IQ???
Hitler came to power on January 30th and the first concentration camps were up and running by March.
Come on, get with the programme. What’s Cameron waiting for, Christmas?
What’s Cameron done, other than (a) break all of his manifesto promises, (b) break his referendum-lock promise, and (c) consent to give the EU an extra £450m every year after saying he wouldn’t agree to another penny?
OK, he cancelled the 3rd runway at Heathrow, but last I heard he was having second thoughts about that, too.
Whilst I agree with your sentiments 100% I feel some credit is due to him for cancelling ID cards and the contactpoint database and for removing the power from N.I.C.E. to stop doctors proscribing drugs.
Sadly, for all his achievements in restoring civil liberties, they took a large backwards step recently at last month’s “Strategic Defence and Security Review” in which the government stated, “We will introduce a programme to preserve the ability of the security, intelligence and law enforcement agencies to obtain communication data and to intercept communications within the appropriate legal framework.”
They are based on reviving, with a few modifications, the Intercept Modernisation Programme (IMP) first proposed in 2006 by the previous Labour maladministration. The government is implementing this massive surveillance dragnet, meaning the intercept and storage of every email, text message and electronic communication, despite making an election pledge that it would not do so. The pledge was specifically cited in the “Coalition Agreement” for government.
So another backtrack and broken promise. This time, even from the revised coalition adaptation to their manifestos.
Just think though, Jamie Bulgers killers, Pedos like Ian Huntely, Terrorists like Abu Hamza all getting the vote on Daves watch.
I feel sick just thinking about it.
Thanks Labour and Tories! Not!
Wasn’t my speech last night fantastic?
The most expensive 5 minute speech in the history of our great nation, if you do the math (six months waiting time) it must have cost us at least £200 pounds a second, but then wisdom doesn’t come cheap, arf!
I’m voting for that nice man David Cameron
+1
Us too init!
I would vote for him as well if only…… I was still on the mortal coil……….
Well I hope you all jolly well behave this time if we give you a second chance or you will get a very stern telling off!
I’m sure we can find somewhere to put you all in our ‘Big Society’.
out fucking rageous
quit the cesspit EUSSR now, dave
Am afraid I remain uneasy about restoration of capital punishment, hugely tempting though it is to see those who have committed horrific crimes swing in the wind. Sadly we live in a society where there is a knee jerk response to too many issues of the day which results in shit legislation or groups of feral people taking the so called law into their own hands and fucking it up big time. The notion that the mob mentality could be extended to the judicial system is too ghastly to contemplate. Those who wish to vote for the death penalty to be re-introduced should have their names registered and kept on file. When/if a subsequently proven innocent person was then put to death, all who voted for restoration could be entered into a lottery and one individual summarily suffer the same fate. Makes perfect sense to me – you get what you vote for.
Good post.
Thanks……..and it does rest uncomfortably with the mainstream view I know but I guess that is what I enjoy about this blog. The issues of the day wrapped up in pithy one / ten liners with loads of noise off-stage without a clear personal thought on the subject other than the need to dig just a bit deeper. Sloppy thinking otherwise.
I vote for whoever let me be policeman again. If Labour let me be policeman again, I will vote Labour. I am Iranian tough guy and I everyone should be scared of me. Unfortunately, no one here scared of me. They throw bucket of shit on me and bugger me. My smelly unwashed muslim bot bot hurts.
Question is, who fucking let you be policeman in first place!
Even better, fucking UK Border muppets should have been awake when you first came to the British El Dorado
breaking News ++++++++++++
Dave Cameron gave Ed Millibands campain £20000
He tho did snot
Jutht thtop it! You’re all bathtardth.
Apparently a unnamed top ranking Tory MP told a reporter off the record that he reckons this coalition will last another 12 months before it crumbles. Maybe THEN we can have a majority Tory government that will sort things out without the constraints of concessions to the Libs. And hopefully that’ll mean deporting muslim fanatics, abolishing the human rights act, and a tougher cap on immigration.
You won’t get a Con Majority Government in this lifetime with chinless and gutless wonder Dave at the helm or with the BBC running around freely with a license to kill.
Dump the dead weight near the time and float to the top of the polls then do the BBC in so they can’t ramp up a media campaign.
No it can’t be reformed how many times do you dumb Tories have to learn from the same mistakes.
Sadly I think you’re right; it’s impossible to get a massive tory majority when you’ve got the BBC “reporting” on things.
If labour said “we’re going to drop a nuke on The City ‘cos we don’t like posh people, innit.”, then the BBC headline/spin would be:
“Labour solve the homeless problem in London with an ingenius solution that works for everyone. The tories refuse to do anything to help the homeless, and promise to eat new-born babies for breakfast and then shit through your letterbox.”
We’ll never get a big tory majority for as long as the BBC exist; it’s just not possible when you’ve got a £3.5billion per year behemoth actively campaigning and lying for a specific political party. With that level of propaganda, you just can’t win; the only way to counter it and to get any real sense of democracy back again would be to abolish the BBC entirely.
The fact that labour got less votes/seats than the tories in 2010 despite the BBC just goes to show you how bad things were in the country. Now the BBC have got 5 years to brainwash people into forgetting what labour did during the last 13 years, and to tell everyone that the tories are evil granny-murdering paedos.
The thatcher/major government is the last we’ll ever see of a reasonable democratic tory majority unless/until we fire every single “reporter” at the BBC (apart from Brillo) and replace them with impartial people rather than Guardianista lefty lying fuckwits intent on brainwashing the nation into communism.
I’ve read that a few Tory MPs have given Cameron 18 months (from last May), or he’s out.
There doesn’t seem to be any point waiting, though. Every day they delay, the country gets deeper into debt and, besides, there’s nothing to wait for – Cameron will be the same man a year form now as he is today. Ineffectual or care-worn, one or the other but either way: not up to the enormous task that confronts him.
Time for UK tea parties to hold the tories to account?
Definitely no Tory Majority more likely a Minority Labour one. The BBC will ensure that and unfortunately “Red Ed” is going down well in his Miliband Road Shows around the country and persuading a lot of disgruntled ex-Labour voters to switch back and enough LibDems to scupper Clegg’s hopes too of having more that a dozen seats after the next election(Clegg is far from secure in his own Sheffield Hallam seat after Sheffield Forgemasters etc etc).Not many people agree with Nick anymore.Certainly not with even some in his own party
I think today cast iron hit a nerve that goes back hundreds of years,with this new froggy treaty,the uconned us should prepare for opposition for a long time,why do you think the Liberals have never held power for 60 years or so,nobody wants them,if their was no corruption in the country they would invent it.
hey, fuckwit. Yes you! How long do you think we have been cooperating militarily with the French? This treaty is a piece of political theatre to “enshrine in treaty” that which we’ve been doing for fucking ages. Look up Taurus deployment on google, you’ll spot a French frigate in the “RN” task group that sailed around the world (a USN one too actually). Head out of arse time for you pal and all the other idiots who believe this is the end of national sovreignty. Tossers
514 Hey twatface,you missed you missed out club NATO,where they all rotate and our troops train in Norway and other NATO countries,it’s not the f%ukin point that troops train together, it’s the backway to a Euro strike force,with further “intergration” into the EUSSR,then we will lose our sovreignty over our military as well as ourselves,but then your head is so stuffed up you arsehole you can’t see the daylight.
Curious how unemployed Roshonara Choudhar who should be in court regarding the attempted murder of Labour MP Stephen Timms, can choose not to be in court because ‘she does not recognise the courts authority’ and prefers to stay hat home collecting her benefits!
Try that one in France.
No shit ? aint that contempt of court ?
Naw its ‘er ‘uman rights innit ..anyways wheres it say in Sharia Law that its a crime to stab an infidel ?
I think it’s positively encouraged.
“The Qur’an “is practical and way ahead of its time” – Tony Blair
“The most remarkable thing about reading the Koran .. is to understand how progressive it is.” – Tony Blair
“The Koran strikes me as a reforming book” – Tony Blair
“It [the Koran] is inclusive. It extols science and knowledge and abhors superstition.” – Tony Blair
“It [the Koran] is practical and way ahead of its time in attitudes to marriage, women and governance” – Tony Blair
Scary.
Try that one as a white Briton see how far you get.
I.e. not fucking very.
It will be police brutality and forced escort to the court and he/she fell down the stairs on the way here…honest guv time.
Its a fuckin outrage , Try doing that in a muslim country and they will cut your fuckin bollocks off proberly .
….and not ONE main stream media journal thinks this is odd in Britain today.
I don’t like Cameron, but I pity him for having to clear up the monumental mess left behind by Labour.
All he has to do is tell Europia to Fcuk Off!
I don’t think it’s quite that easy. This country has one mortal enemy: the Labour movement. 60 minutes after entering Downing Street, Brown, Balls et-al should have been lying in pools of blood in a Whitehall courtyard. Within 24 hours, all union activists and Labour Party members should have been in stripy jimjams behind barbed wire fences awaiting ‘processing’.
Then he should have told the EU to get stuffed.
I don’t like Cameron, but I pity him for having to clear up the monumental mess left behind by Labour.
Yes, like the Tories haven’t contributed to the fuck up that is now modern Britain. Moronic party tribalists will scream ‘till they’re blue in the face that it was all the other fella’s fault. Nothin’ to do with my glorious party, honest.
The sooner the three state parties are smashed to pieces, the better for Britain. Then we might actually get some pro-British parties.
Image that, parties that are actually loyal to this country, and not to international socialism, globalism or profit at any price. What a novel concept!
Yep. Labour’s imm!gration policy (1997-2010) and the disaster it has caused for Britain was all the fault of the Tories.
The moronic party tribalists can’t see it, but it’s fuckin’ obvious, really, eh?
Well, it’s been a pleasure chatting with you, but I’ve got to go, I have an appointment back home on Planet Earth.
Id av done the job nice n easy on Timms, that thin streak of paralysed piss
Black n decker to the forehead then a fucking chisel up the jacksi, Id av stopped is oring ways and no mistake
Good on ya Petey.Can I count on your vote in the next election?
She won’t be strip-searched, either, which to me has always seemed part of the fun.
It is fun, with the right people.
She did not sit at home on benefits, she was in her cell and we ALL have the free choice to not recognise the jurisdiction or authority of any court. That does not mean we will not be found guilty or end up in jail.
It’s not a case that she has not recognised the court, so then they cannot do anything, it just means she was not cross examined.
It is not contempt as contempt can only apply to people who have shown an agreement through acquiescence, verbal agreement or performance that they accept the jurisdiction of that court.
She cannot be in contempt of something that she does not even recognise as valid.
Thank fu*k for Delingpole
http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/jamesdelingpole/100061751/only-the-tea-party-can-save-us-now/
Good article, or I should say great article.
So….. where can one sign up?
The mandatory tariff for drink driving should be ten years m’luddites, with another five on top for drink driving without insurance.
I rest me case
I’ve got a feeling most insurance policies are null and void if you happen to be drunk at the time of the accident.
So, technically, drink drivers are uninsured.
Remind me – which insurance company is it that you have shares in ?
What about chopping old ladies up?
The judge’s hands are tied with this mandatory sentencing guideline nonsense
But have you seen a single one of them over the last 40 years resign over the political interference which we are all told doesn’t exist !
Yes watch what you wish for young Guido – you might end up with a few missing limbs instead of points on your licence!
Can’t someone give him an in-depth life-like sense of what it must have been like to have been his victim?
Get a life you fucking boring cu’nt
Ohhhhhhh someone hasn’t had a good shag in a while.
you are sooooooooo wrong and had one hell of a dump afterwards (in her handbag)
You silly little boy
See below
He looks so normal
Convicted murderers should be given a vote – Hanging or lethal injection?
Send em to China
Outsource the job
Sell them to China for body-part harvesting.
Larfin at the fucking paddy twat terrorist sands
His noble cause saw him covered in shit and looking like a fecking biafran.
You fecKing paddies feck everything Up HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
We know where you live.
And I know where you live
Councillor Bob Piper is on the case:
“… for someone incarcerated and self-taught to take the Government to court and force them to ensure that fellow prisoners are given their democratic right to vote is a massive achievement indeed. Congratulations to John Hirst, […] I’m sure John will shrug off the insults and smears he will attract from the usual right-wing trolls… and lift a glass of champagne or two in celebration. “
http://www.bobpiper.co.uk/2010/11/congratulations-to-john-hirst-the-jailhouse-lawyer/
Am I going too far in suggesting introducing internment camps to deal with the threat from Muslims residing in our country?
You mean for the Brits of course?
As someone above has commented, when you consider the long-term effects of immigration and the number of muslims in schools, this country is done for, and in a matter of years will be one massive muslim enclave. I suggest that all of you who can afford to do so to start planning your departure to another country. There’s no hope left for Britain. The economy’s fucked and terrorists are living off state benefits whilst planning to kill us. I for one will leave as soon as I can.
No problem.You can leave anytime you like….just hand over all your assets and belongings at the border as you leave.Thanks
http://www.metro.co.uk/news/845853-the-eight-hour-school-run-on-12-buses
I have five kids, you have to pay for there bus fares infidel.
These childrens are girls. Girls not have education! It is Haram!
Dig pit! Fetch many stoneses!
If you’ve ever supported mass immigration in the past for whatever reason, the least you can do is stick around and face the all too inevitable consequences.
But as usual it’ll be left to the despised working classes – the very people who never wanted the precious diversity dumped upon them in the first place – to fight, while the chattering classes head for the exits.
If the despised working classes didn’t want diversity dumped on them, why did they keep voting Labour?
They could see what was happening, they have only themselves to blame.
Bollocks. The Tories are just as welded to the idea of mass immigration as the Labour party, albeit for differing reasons (cheapo serf labour as opposed to new voters).
Just like in the U.S. whichever faction gets in, the policy of mass immigration (legal or illegal, they really don’t care) will continue – socialist shit stirring and corporate greed guarantee it. The ‘need’ for endless immigration into the west is about the only issue that the left and right chattering classes seem to agree on.
They could see what was happening, they have only themselves to blame.
Rather like the middle classes who continually vote Tory and get stitched up time and again over the EU and other stuff.
Whatever the Tories are welded to or not, the simple fact is we had a Labour government for 13 years because the working classes kept voting Labour.
If you have any issues relating to !mmigration policy from 1997 to 2010, don’t complain about the Tories, it’s got SFA to do with the Tories, it’s got everything to do with Labour and the people who voted for them.
There’s no way on Earth you can say “the working class voted Labour and Labour wrecked Britain but it’s got bugger-all to do with the working class.”
I’ve never supported mass immigration. Labour allowed it in order to institutionalise welfare dependency in Labour heartlands, and to shore up its voter base with those handy postal votes. Channel 4 news, to its credit, did a report during the election and found that a number of muslim/asian households had suddenly registered multiple new occupants and postal votes in return for cash in hand payments. Their reported was attacked by an asian gang when he went to ask questions. That’s Labour at work.
Both Tories and Labour have for decades supported mass immigration for their own selfish reasons. It didn’t suddenly start out of the blue in 1997. Mass immigration was a problem in the 70s, 80s and 90s. Brixton, Toxteth, Ray Honeyford, Salman Rushdie affair anyone?
Just like the Republicans in the US, the Tories support mass immigration ‘cos it’s good for the economy’, so the mantra goes i.e. it drives down wages, drives up demand for property/rents, just never mind the knock on effects.
The fact the Tories never do anything to seriously curb mass immigration speaks volumes. Just like they never do anything to seriously curb the EU’s power.
It will be no different this time round.
I can’t help feeling that the day John Hirst’s late landlady is able to exercise her right to vote as well as stay alive is the day prisoners can be allowed to vote. Hirst should look out that he is not helping make the case for capital punishment to be brought back and, who knows, made retrospective.
To be honest Guido, I always imagined you to be like him.
Ooh Gary, you bitch….meeeoooowwww
Billy………You’re obviously labouring under the mistake that there is actually freedom of speech in the UK …………….
Freedom of speech hmm?? Try posting on here sometimes and see if you get freedom of speech.
At the same time maybe we all need to be a little more investive in the way we express ourselves to get around mods and hatty harpic’s heavy handed equality legislation.
Cameron had five months to stop it before it came into force on the 1st October.
i like chutney
Nell, as a thread fills up there is a long delay before posts go in. It’s not necessarily down to modding.
Guido,
Please pay John Hirst £ 100, 000 IMMEDIATELY for the libellous accusation that he is a murderer. He was done for ‘manslaughter’, and just happened to have served a longer sentence than some murderers.
Of course, we are willing to offer a ‘half-price’ deal for early settlement of £ 50, 000 if you pay by the end of the month. *
Carter-Fuck
* – Plus, of course, our usual ‘success fee’ of £ 50, 000
Stallone has called Obama the “Manchurian President” and is telling his followers on Twitter to “Rise up”. Dear oh dear. I like Stallone but do the Republicans really want Rambo flying the flag for them?
Better a Rambo than a f*cking liar who lacks courage and would rather have a life of comfort at the expense of the people of this country,now who would that fit,Bliar,Brown,Cameron,all ?.
Stallone helped train the taliban and beat the Russians and Vietnamese single handledy I saw it all in the cinema would defintely trust him and vote Arnold into the White House.
Shagging Slotgob or shagging Mrs Beard?
We must be a fucking laughing stock. Fuck Europe.
“I’m celebrating that (75,000) murderers, rapists, paedophiles, all of em will be getting the vote, it is their human rights.”
hmmmmm…….75,000 more votes for Labour then
Labour – The Party for Criminals
For 50 years I believed in the abolition of the death penalty. The reason? Christie done it! A few years ago I changed my mind. There are far too many creatures in prison living in luxury compared to millions of pensioners. They are protected from attack, most of the time, at enormous expense.
The great thing about capital punishment is that it discourages re-offending, even among those who were not guilty.
Do you know why a lot of French roads are lined with trees?
So that the German Army can march in the shade
Can’t understand why so many of you are getting upset about prisoners voting – 90% of you voted LibLabCon and they are as big a bunch of venal, self-serving crooks you are likely to find anywhere, including prison.
Somehow today I cant help feeling that dave has pulled two fast ones
So that’s it Mr. Fawkes one post on some ex-con all day – been taking lessons off the Fifeshire Feartie when he was in town?
It’s been a boring day. I should have bought a Dalek.
Why are people blaming Cameron for this crap? Did Mrs T try to get us out of the EU when she had massive majorities? did John Major?
Oh and just WHO were the c u n t s who voted to join the Common Market in the first place? Read the fucking Treaty of Rome, it’s ALL about political union not trade.
I’m not
They didn’t
Not me
“More than 100,000 people have paid to go behind the Times and Sunday Times’ new online paywalls but visits to their websites have fallen by about 87%.
Times Online was registering about 21 million unique users a month to its front page earlier this year but the figure fell to 2.7 million last month.”
I’m very clever but one day I will be dead.
I noticed the “one month trial for £1″ has become a “three month trial for £1″.
Hmm. I wonder how many of those 100,000 ‘subscribers’ are just doing the £1 trial.
Time for a move to the extreme right and withdrawal from the EU cesspit
I didn’t know we had an extreme right in this country,I thought all the extreme right were slightly left of Liebour.
It’s time to top ‘em again!!!
It has to be that way because they may get caught out fiddling and have to spend an hour or two in jail,which may just be on an election day.
Dave. Getting into a coalition with the Lib Dems is one thing, but getting into bed with the French?
Useful phrases for an alliance
Il y a trop de douches sur ce bateau.
où gardez-vous les drapeaux blancs ?
Il n’y a aucun avion mais la restauration est la première classe
oui vous avez vraiment de travailler plus de 35 heures par week.
As anyone who has experience of prison inmates will know, a substantial number of them claim to support the Tories, want stiffer prison sentences for others and, I think, the death sentence. It seems to go with many of them believing that they personally have been wrongly convicted or unfairly sentenced. Prison has its own logic.
A large number of them are passionate about a free entrepreneurial market economy – even if they translate this into a justification for them nicking stuff and developing a well organised commodity market for fencing the stuff.
For this reason, I am not sure that opposition to the ruling of the European Court (set up by us with others to deal with Nuremberg and post war European issues and not by the EU) will come from the Right. Why want to disenfranchise an important constituency?
I await to see with considerable amusement who will be the first MP to canvas voters within the high walls – and who will be the first to accept their delegate from Brixton to their Annual Conference.
This is the perfect storm of a political development for this blog: so bizarre it fits beautifully into one Liberationist meme that liberation philosophy is not dogma or a transcendent metaphysics but the lived situation of the people. A situation which is so affected by the oddities of the effects of big government that attempts to over-govern from afar that it guarantees idiosyncratic implementation of policies that baffle us all.
It is as baffling as the fact that a decision to give votes to prisoners should end up on here with calls to reinstate the main thing that marks us out as a civilised society – the abolition of the death penalty
The face she pulls here in reaction to Cameron’s joke will make you want to puke. Utterly, utterly, utterly vile creature.
Miliband senior can’t stand her either, the duplicitous cow.
From her watered down posh accent to her public school education, and her hectoring, finger wagging purse lipped patronising persona, she is utterly devoid of any redeeming features. Please resign asap and go off and work for some winnins group in a tin pot trade union.
I pull that face when Jack tries it on.
I hope you’ve all done the decent thing and referred the Polly Tuscany “final solution” article to the PCC?
The fucking FRENCH and what bloody wars have they ever won!
Except in Russia where Winter got him (as it did Hitler) Napoleon did reasonably well – till he came up against the Iron Duke, of course.
After that it was all downhill – and it’s been so ever since.
The Iron Duke sounds interesting. Is available from those nudge nudge wink wink websites, you know, like a Prince Albert?
Lucky for us it wasn’t the cast iron duke of cameron with his famous footwear the flip flop
LOL just got banned from the Guardian had a good run though.
Ha! I got banned from sickipedia.
Beat that!
Can’t beat it to be fair
Welcome to Scumbag UK where prisoners live in virtual hotels, free to use the gym with their mates, watch Sky, eat a selection of food depending on their cultural or dietry preferences, where the warders are not allowed to call them by their surnames, where drugs are more easily obtainable inside than on the streets, and now, where the lowlife filthy verminous scum can vote.
This is the UK we deserve. We have sat back and watched as the lefties have shit all over this country, and now we have a government which, even if it wanted to, cannot reverse any of this bullshit as most of it comes from a bunch of unelected petty clerks in Brussels. What a country we’ve become.
You have seen the truth which Orwell predicted.
Those who live in prison are free, and those who live outside are imprisoned by the State, the European bureaucracy, and the continual and urgent necessity for food, energy and living accommodation.
Repeat offenders have discovered that life inside is easier and more free than life outside.
When did something last happen that made anyone feel good about the EUSSR?
When did you last notice something happen than made you feel the whole thing is not a worthless sham, a gigantic and ludicrously expensive white elephant unable to deliver anything of value and with no coherent idea about its purpose (other than perpetuation of its own existence).
We joined the EEC to expand mutually beneficial trade links.
Who actually gave permission for our borders and welfare state to be flung open to all and sundry while are taxes are sequestered and given away by people who account to no-one?
We joined the Council of Europe to try to stop our neighbours from starting any more world wars and committing genocide.
How in the fuck can we have found ourselves in a situation where the ECHR is telling our government that our legislature must be elected by convicted killers in jail?
It’s a form of idiological blackmail and institutional bribery: first make sure the media are onside…so that any criticism is branded as being from ” little englanders” or “right wingers” then also make sure that there are very lucrative sinecures available for failed politicians and their families (Windbag, for instance) thus ensuring that those in power always have a vested interest in keeping their future nestegg intact…
What a day ! I could just murder an axe.
They can run the 100 meters in full battle kit in under 10 seconds though, Lol.
check these out !
check these out !
An elderly British gentleman of 83 arrived in Paris by plane. At the French immigration desk, the man took a few minutes to locate his passport in his carry-on bag. “You have been to France before, Monsieur?” the Immigration officer asked, sarcastically. The elderly gentleman admitted he had been to France previously. “Then you should know well enough to have your passport ready.” The British gentleman says, “The last time I was here, I didn’t have to show it.” “Impossible. The British always have to show their passports on arrival in France!”
The elderly gentleman gave the French Immigration Officer a long hard look. Then he quietly explained; “Well, the last time I was here, I came ashore on Juno Beach on D-Day in June 1944, and I couldn’t find any fucking Frenchmen to show it to.
Their vichy government was too busy denouncing french j * e ws to the narzis and sucking up to A dolf.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-11673244
Call me Daves going to China, are there any promises for him to break concerning the Chinese?
Hopefully he’ll promise to come back.
Whats he going to do in China rent the other aircraft carrier to them or is he going to surrender to them as well as surrendering the French,treacherous toerag he is.
This is our country now! Bow down, victims of crime and infidel western dogs!
Hirst, you worthless piece of dogshit, enjoy your fifteen minutes. Gutless to batter your lady benefactor to death. Gutless in your plea of ‘diminished responsibility’. Gutless in your inability to accept responsibilty for the murder you committed. Gutless for playing the victim of the justice system.
Gutless arsewipe. Look in the mirror.
Somebody called Observer telling somebody to look in The Mirror is funny.
Sacré blur
As in the pop group?
It’s sacré bleu or, now, sacrebleu.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/switzerland/8105745/Swiss-poised-to-vote-on-controversial-immigrant-law.html?source=newswidget
How about a vote like this one Dave?
Oh, God, don’t give him the opportunity to make another promise he can break.
“X Factor contestant Gamu Nhengu’s family have been granted right to appeal against a decision to force them to leave the country.”
The Swiss have got it dead right. Britain is the destination of choice for the scum of Europe and beyond. They fleece the benefit system and become serial criminals and still they’re allowed to stay. What a shithole.
‘Johny English’ – the Rowan Atkinson film of 2003 hit the nail on the head. For those that don’t know, the plot was a Frenchman planning to turn the UK into Europe’s prison where all the dregs would go. (Oh, and Natalie Imbruglia was pretty hot in it to. My kind of woman….).
Wasn’t thinking about that film today,but was thinking about the loss of our main industries,fishing,cars,coal,steel,engineering,ship building etc and thinking about how we have let the rubbish of the world in,with EUSSR telling us to. then thinking the b%stards are turning the UK into a prison island,with the treachery of the mp’s.
If that’s not bad enough, have you seen the price of life-sized Daleks?
£1,650. Honestly, Google it. It’s not fair, because I wanted one.
(secretly, I was hankering after two, to try and mate them).
I’d have thought it would be busier tonight with most people eagerly anticipating the US mid-terms.
nobody really gives a shit
he loses the house keeps the senate and… ?
Dave willl still do whatever Obama tells him
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That is very funny.
You’d best direct the above at the proprietor of this blog.
What a coincidence, this site’s got many, many tools, too!
You can say that again. Unfortunately, most of them seem to be bent, broken, the wrong size, rusty or with damaged cutting edges. Or just plain useless.
I particularly like the ‘all you can eat for £5′ advert.
With serial fraudsters and lowlifes re-elected by the short term interests of a fearful populace, what do you expect? The choice given, between various combinations of the greasey pole climbers of the established elites, or the lunatic fringe of maniac elements, is designed to keep us bent over, underwear down, while somebody else is doing the thrusting.
What are you going to do? Give up all your spare time to get involved and attend interminable meetings in dingy rooms discussing policy, devote your life to the fight for representation, finish up compromising your ideals for a shot at power?
You couldn’t make this up! Ian Huntley’s girlfriend/pen-pal is messaging me on Youtube because she doesn’t like the video I made about her! Hilarious! Click to watch this on YT to read her comment.
She will be at the european court next wanting to shag him so they can spawn some little serial killers in his prison cell
then brussels will grant permission and we will have to pay for them !
stop this planet and let me off !
KPMG have proudly announced that Jacqui Smith is gong to work for them.
‘proudly’?!!
Why are they pleased to have this troughing, poorly qualified hag, on their payroll.
Her poor qualifications, before she was elevated to ‘failed home secretary’, allowed her to’ teach’ children in inner city schools how to clean sinks and cook pizzas from precooked garlic bread.!
Next we know they’ll be taking on the disastrously failed ‘economist’ gordon!!
They might even head hunt you, nell.
Silly billy. KPMG don’t want people who have decent degrees, who can cook properly, look after their families, work hard, think logically and have decent instincts that prevent them from troughing off the taxpayer.
If they did they wouldn’t employ people like five bellies jacqui!!
Bankers don’t employ thieves and fraudsters?
Yeah, right.
Er TP that’s what I said.
To be quite clear. People like jacqui five bellies are ONLY thieves and fraudsters.
So why are KPMG employing her?! And why are their shareholders allowing it??!!
You’re in with a chance then.
KPMG are employing Smith for her contacts in the higher reaches of the civil service. They certainly are not employing her for her IQ or financial acumen.
I think personally they would have been better to have employed hoon or moran.
They, at least, were prepared to sell their souls to medialand!
And if they are prepared to pay to have them then they might as well, over the next ten years, also employ twatson, balls, the militwits, gordon, nickbrown etc…………..
Seems, doesn’t it, that KPMG etc have no interest in employing anyone of any decent intellectual quality.
Any old rubbish will do = appears to be their adage!!
Oh dear modded.
So I can call jacquifivebellies a thief and a fraudster but I may not callhoon one Guido . Is that it?!
Nell @ 10:32
I think that KPMG, like most large professional services firms, are a LLP (Limited Liability Partnership) rather than a limited company. A sort of workers’ co-op, that is, but one owned by its bosses (partners), not the lower forms of life. Thus they don’t have external shareholders to exercise discipline and can suit themselves.
As has been said, there’s only one reason for this move: Smith gets an income, KPMG get some introductions. (Or is that two reasons?) It’s as bent as a nine-bob note and both should be ashamed of themselves.
Thank God for that. Now I can get back to the adult movies again.
There is nolonger any reason for this Blog.
You failed today PADDY
Ta ta
How did he fail today? Please explain.
I guess Bill is referring to the fact that the EU had nothing whatsoever to to with court decision, which is true.
The Council of Europe, and the ECHR which is attached to it and made this decision, was a British initiative championed by Winston Churchill.
Three things of political note today; firstly, James Delingpole’s excellent article in the DT, which has had the lefty trolls in a froth of hatred for anybody supporting it (it’s true about the left and hatred – they just don’t seem to be able to debate without resorting to insult and bile); secondly, votes for prisoners; and thirdly, Anglo-French military co-operation. The latter would only work by integrating the British fighting capabilities with the French catering corps, and then they’d insist on only fighting before lunch.
All in all it can only mean one thing – significant increase in support for UKIP.
We will have something in common with the French, who put an aircraft carrier to sea without any aircraft aboard as a meaningless deterrent. We will have to wait until Gordon’s constituents are enriched before we can luxuriate in making such an empty gesture.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2010/oct/27/britain-france-plan-military-cooperation
Oh Dear ! cameron has signed an armed forces alliance with the french!!!
Doesn’t he know from history, that at the first sign of trouble the french will run and hide??!!
It has become a by word. Never go into battle with the french to back you up.
Why? Because they won’t!!
To paraphrase General Patton, ” I’d rather face a German Division in front of me than have a French Division behind “
Thank you anon .
I knew my military scepticism of the french ‘capability’ had a proper root.
You call that a ‘proper root’? Patton was a famous gobshite.
Cheap, ill informed stereotyping. France’s historical military record is actually pretty good – they have won far more battles than they have lost.
They were invaded twice by the massively stong German military machine in the last century, but lets be honest, if it wasn’t for those 22 miles of water, the outcome of WW2 would have been very different for us.
In WW1 the French army gave a very good account of itself.
Stop reading the Daily Mail and try picking up a history book instead.
That’s why we, the British and the immesely small ‘ Free French’, fought on french soil twice whilst the ‘real French vichy’ government ‘cowered’ in luxury in the warmth of the south of France waiting for us to win the Victory then??!!
Good grief.
The Wehrmacht was so strong, it took Britain, the entire Commonwealth, the Yanks, and the Russians (in huge numbers) six years to prevail. In our first encounter with German forces in WW2 we got our arses kicked, you may recall?
However the French, poor sods, shared a long land border with Germany.
Implying that we would have fared any better in the same situation is ridiculous. The French did what they could, but the odds against them were insurmountable.
David Cameron is said to be cock a hoop after increasing the UK EU budget by half a Billion and now pushing through a French UK Defence agreement that would have had Eurosceptics apoplectic with rage had the same stunt been tried by the Labour Party.
Instead the Eurosceptics have bent over for Dave, Nick and the EU with barely a squeak of protest. Cameron has won and the Conservative Eurosceptic movemnt is now a spent force permanently in retreat.
Just like the French Army.
Wouldn’t be too sure about that. Suspect many people will be sceptical about Anglo-French military integration, and giving votes to prisoners because Europe says so will just seriously irritate large swathes of the population. Cameron hasn’t defeated the Eurosceptics, just inflamed them.
If you had said a Conservative Prime Minister would throw his lot in with the French Army before the election you would have been laughed out of the place while Eurosceptic Tories would have called you insane.
But Cameron’s done it and the Eurosceptic wing of the Party has done nothing to stop him and can do nothing to stop him.
That is complete defeat.
If Conservative Eurosceptics had any clout Cameron wouldn’t have dared try it but just like with Lisbon the Tory Eurosceptics are all bluster with no actual power to change policy.
Not all Eurosceptics take the Conservative whip; many have no party, but they have a vote.
I Think Not.
French Armed Forces are likely , in any future action, to prove themselves as seminal cowards.
In WW2 our Armed Forces always said never Never! go into battle expecting the cowardly french to protect your flank! Because they always run before the action begins!
So why has cameron signed a deal with them??!!
because he can and nobody in the Conservative Party will dare stop him
Why do you talk such garbage, Nell?
The Brits and French have frequently failed to see eye-to-eye culturally and politically.
But you seem to feel you can derive from this some kind of pontifical right to label every French soldier a coward.
There are few people in this country who’ve earned the right to call any soldier a coward.
You are not one of them.
Stop freebasing and reading the Daily Mail. (Or at least stop doing them both at the same time).
Well said.
Nell, there’s a table of WWII military casualties broken down by nation here
Maybe you could provide the numbers so we can add a cowardice column?
“In WW2 our Armed Forces always said never Never! go into battle expecting the cowardly french to protect your flank! Because they always run before the action begins!”
Stupid, dishonest bigotry.
Fuck the EU
Seconded.
The people need there say
Or maybe ‘ The people need their say’ !
That as well
The Spectator says this,
“The European Court of Human Rights (ECHR) in Strasbourg was only able to pass judgement on this matter because of an individual case lodged by an ex-lifer who had pursued his claim relentlessly for years. Rather than being determined by a free vote in Parliament, or by the judgement of our own courts, an individual litigant was able to appeal over the heads of the British public, the Government and the judiciary to an unaccountable foreign court. The result is a major change to national policy that did not originate here. This is not democratic. ”
http://www.spectator.co.uk/coffeehouse/6437918/prisoner-voting-rights-are-undemocratic.thtml
An excellent summation of why this matter is causing such offence.
Then again Guido is a angel right???
Free speech is abousloute or censorhip
New, improved version of the video above which I’ve deleted. Harriet Dromey in all her foulness.
After publicising her secret passion for “Ginger Rodents” is she now trying to do impressions of us(?)…..everyone at “The Drey” will take that old saw “Imitation is the best form of flattery” however with a pinch of salt and keep up our hypocrisy watch although we are now also tempted to include Cameron & Co in that too hence our new slightly amended monicker
Forgive me if I am wrong but no one seems to have made the following and incredibly obvious point.
If it currently makes NO material DIFFERENCE WHATSOEVER who or what political party gets elected, which it most clearly does not, then why should it make any difference whether convicted criminals are allowed to vote or not?
To answer my own question.
It will make an important difference, but not for the reason some, and certainly all prisoners, may hopefully wish to believe.
Fabianism dictates that in order to change society to an overty corporate socialist (fascist) one, a country/continent/world must be first totally undermined both spiritually, socially and above all financially. Therefore the poorest and most dis-functional must be increased in number and made as expensive to maintain as possible.
For example the cost of keeping just one prisoner in prison, or one person on the dole, or one person under constant medical care will be raised to several times more then the average person gets for working in a full time job. Thus society is turned up-side down in all sorts of ways, and the individual and the individual country goes respectively insane, and terminally bankrupt.
I think we can all see that we are now very close to this situation, plus the establishment are not quite content with there hard work so far. Thus votes for prisoners.
As if that were not bad enough already, the very bad news for most of us is that shortly after this state of affairs is achieved, in that most of the population have become perfectly useless to society as a whole, as well as themselves in particular, and so suddenly surplus to the establishments requirements, the majority of them will be MURDERED, using one type of reasonably humane method or another. George Shaw, a well known Fabian, is quoted as saying, many years before AH actually carried out the policy, that the best methods would be some kind of deliberately spread fatal disease, or food shortages, or better still a relatively painless poison gassing.
Therefore the point is.
It already costs a fortune to keep a prisoner in prison, it costs ever more given our revolving door system of judicial punishment. The only reason why the establishment wants to give prisoners the vote is to give the establishment the excuse for making this whole establishment gravy train even more undemocratic, criminally, and insanely expensive, as well as socially divisive then it already is.
Therefore, if/when a future government of the day starts erecting government sponsored shower facilities close to your abode, be worried, be very worried indeed.
Right scrap the NHS , fuckin arseholes
Bloody funny !!
Fuck the goverment , If we have to relay on the goverment then we do live in a marxisit state !
This also show that Guido is a MsM whore , He says he respects free speech but wont allow a post about People getting judged on the party membership .
Guido you are a fr*ud and discredit yourself
Isn’t this usually the time of night when that Labour troll turns up to call everyone tat and repeat ad nauseum that we all “wuv” Cameron?
Many would gaol drunk drivers Guido
As there has only been this one item of any note today, either it has been a very slow news day, parliament has been closed down and all MPs have been sent home, Guido has lost all interest in the happenings in the parliamentary processes OR he has been taken on one side and the error of his ways explained to him in graphic detail by CCHQ!
O/T If Haliburton apparently fucked up the concrete mix for that hole in the Mexican Gulf and appeared to be econimical with the truth of the tests. Is BP still expected to shoulder all the costs?
The headline in the mail should have read
“Champagne quaffing surrender monkey rolls over for cheese eating surrender monkey”
what next the French getting to vote on government policy
if your not up to the job Dave ! Move over and let Clegg have a go
because up to now youve been a fucking joke !
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1325733/Britain-France-share-nuclear-secrets-French-command-SAS.html
Hmmm! Tough choice.
In extremis, who would you rather have guarding your rear – Sailor Dave or one of nell’s Gallic “surrender monkeys”?
Back in the early days of the Cold War, the poilus had a very interesting nuclear strategy. Their bombers didn’t have enough range to reach Moscow and return home again, so they figured, what the hell, there’d be nothing left to go back to, anyway. Fatalistic, but it might have kept the Kremlin guessing.
Whereas, with our glorious leader (and his new rival for our affections, Daffy Duck), you know what he’s going to do every time.
well done john hirst
your liberal lawyer and european high court judge forgot one point
if a victim has an axe thru her head—do you use her postal vote?
You’ve got to admire the american system, wouldn’t it be nice to put the boot in to our lot mid-term instead of taking it out at the local council elections.
who cares the country is fucked.
I am so fed up with seeing the hoardes of women in those horrible designer rubbish bags and the fact that the most popular name in uk is Mohammed (more ham head) is scary.
im off
more ham head
mo ha med
mohhhommmed
mohamed
mohhomohed
more homo head
twot
all the different ways of spelling the same name
i like gold
This fucker John Hurst was given air time on Nicky Campbell yesterday morning and amongst other things he wants is internet access in all prison cells he said that “He would take his lawyers to the european court and get it “
“Innocence” is often simply a case of being able to keep chipping away at the cast iron evidence, at public expense, untill the parasite hired on legal aid finally manages to get enough of it disallowed or can cast enough of a tiny doubt in the mind of a juror to get off with a nice little compensation claim to follow…
Urgh. When you commit a crime and are sentenced to prison, you have been taken out of society. If you don’t have a place in society you definately don’t own the right to vote. Murderers, paedophiles, rapists… They should be locked up in jail and not have a say in what happens in the ‘real world’