With the London Fire Brigade Union set to walk out on Guido’s party night, the public and the government are up in arms, but strangely there hasn’t been a word from Labour. You would have thought that the Shadow Minister responsible for the fire services would have at least attempted to encourage a compromise. Strangely though, former union boss Jack Dromey hasn’t said a word. Guido can’t think why..
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Norman Tebbit has a humble brag:
“We Maastricht rebels were derided and abused for opposing the single currency by the wise, clever, Guardianista soft centre left establishment from whom we now hear so little on the matter.”
Mr Bryant and Mr Watson managing to make the whole hacking affair look like a farce – the more they moan the less I care about the whole subject! So partisan it beggars belief at all costs. They cannot rise above it ! If I was to call the PM a ‘liar’ I would want to be VERY sure.
Makes you proud doesn’t it
No fire brigade eh?
You clearly aren’t a Libertarian then, Guido.
And why are the Firemen threatening to strike?
Because they have been told they will be sacked if they do.
Which leaves them no alternative.
If the threat to sack them is lifted then so will be the strike. Fairness in action.
Your argument is kinda self defeating, if they have no problem with the conditions offered to them. Then they will not be threatened with the sack.
The question is why do they need to strike when they are not having to work any additional hours?
You like the Labour party, and the unions and all the lefties need to take a big slice of humble pie and get over the fact you lost the election!
Sit back and let a REAL government run the country
A real government doesn’t lie.
All in it together (George Osborne) – In fact the poorest pay more than the rich to the reduction of the deficit.
Iran has nuclear weapon weapons (David Cameron) – a complete lie, probably the most dangerous lie told by a PM since Tony Blair said British territory was under a 45 minute threat of attack.
The bankers’ levy is fair (George Osborne) – 0.05 per cent levy on banks’ balance sheets. 0.05% a fair contribution to pay for the people who caused the financial crisis? Clearly a lie.
The 1.2% growth last month and 0.8% growth in the economy are thanks to Conservative policy (George Osborne) – Hold on George, you’ve only been Chancellor for five minutes and none of you budget policies have been implement yet! That growth in the economy is clearly due to the previous Labour party’s fiscal policy, not yours you fucking glory hunter!
A real government would not put that growth at risk. Indeed, it could be argued that there is no doubt whatsoever that Tory anti-growth fiscal policy will push this country back into recession.
But that doesn’t matter to the Tory millionaire front bench as they have bomb proofed their own wealth by forcing the poor to pay for the mistakes of the bankers.
Trebles all round!
Wanted: Polish firefighters. Excellent wages, subsidised housing, fantastic conditions, 2nd jobs allowed.
apply via TUC
If there is a death in London on bonfire night, due to the strike causing fire units to be unavailable, then the head of that union should be charged with manslaughter.
Holding a strike on that day is not merely insultingly cynical, but is grossly irresponsible.
“A real government doesn’t lie.”
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Now fuck right off lefty scum
As I was one of the main protesters against the illegal Iraq and Afghanistan occupations your post is entirely without merit.
But it should of course be remembered that more Conservative MPs voted for the illegal Iraq occupation than Labour MPs.
Oh dear, another masssive dent in the Tory mandate!
so, out of the 1.3 million protesters, how exactly, where you in any way one of the “main” ones? Did you give a speech on the stage at the end?
Also claiming that because some tories were taken in by the labour lies, that that makes the labour lies OK does not wash.
Also, the invasion of Afhanistan was in direct response to an attack on a NATO country, was legal and lawful under ALL UN laws, was ratified by the UN was ratified by the EU and the Governments of the coalition nations involved.
The Invasion of Afghanistan was 100% totally legal.
The current occupation is doomed to failure and its aims are self contradictory and unfathomable and it is a needless graveyard for too many people on all sides of the war and the invasion could be argued as being a wholly inappropriate and foolish response to the 9/11 attacks (baring mind most of the alleged hijackers were from Saudi Arabia, the Funding for it came through Pakistan and it was enabled to proceed by American changes in shoot-down standard operational procedure, (Don Rumsfeld changed the authority for a shoot-down of an out of control, lost or non-responsive civilian airliner in the June of 2001), but it is 100% legal response to an attack on a NATO country.
Re PMQ’s will be fun – someone tell Dave he has to answer questions, not ask them!
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Sorry, no matter how much you spin and spin, the last 10 years of war was Labour’s idea. Remember someone called Blair?
A lie doesn’t become less valid just because you protested against the Government’s decision. It remains a lie, made all the more serious by how it hoodwinked MPs on both sides of the floor.
Out of interest, did you also protest against all the other lies that flooded from the previous Goverment? You know, classics such as “Purer than pure”, “Boom and bust”, “Defence spending has increased”, passports, party donations, mortgages, affairs, blimey this list could run and run…….
Yes, I did.
How perverse, protesting against the then Chancellor’s claim to have ended boom and bust, or the former PM’s intention to make sure sleaze is a thing of the past…..
Never mind, half term hols will be over soon and you can go back to school. Bye bye!
tat is a liar not a protester. Just ignore the twat.
If there is a death due to the strikes we all no whose fault it will be.
Margaret Thatcher’s of course.
The Lady’s not for burnin
They’re going on strike because of how it was worded, ‘take the 12 / 12 hour shift pattern over the 15 / 9 hour or find another job…….sounds reasonable to me.
Maybe they should be a bit less sensitive.
Excellent.
Radio 4 actually taking some calls from people laying into public sector waste and general balmyness. Plenty of PS supporting loons too.
12:00-12:57 You and Yours What’s the future for the public sector after the government spending review?
http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/console/bbc_radio_fourfm/
Spot on CP, I find it hard to fault your logic. Of course, this is a political strike by another name, so this kind of argument is irrelevant.
The FBU have been all mouth and no trousers since their day in the sun in the late 80′s. And they lost that one too. All that will happen is that a few squaddies will be called off leave whilst recovering from a tour in Pakistan to man emergency fire cover so that a few Trots can make a futile gesture.
Sorry. Afghanistan.
apology accepted.
If they don’t like the job, then get another job. Especially when you’re pay comes from threatening others.
Sack em. There’s millions unemployed and thousands of people who want every job.
You haven’t even got a job, AC1 so you are in no position to give others career advice.
You cretin.
Of course that isjust the solution, get all those city gamblers to do a little fire fighting, no training required, of course there is no reason for safety at work with them, what about a few of the commentators on this blog, they have big mouoths, probably think they can put out a fire by blowing on it, oh I forgot they are management they just tell the little people what to do they do not get their hands dirty, they just shout orders and vanish when things go wrong. No I am not a ranting Liebore person but centre right, delete this, but talk sense.
Tat is projecting again (I run my own small business employing a few capable British people). It’s currently a hard job market (thanks to the regulator induced credit bubble), and unfortunately your multiple handicaps stop you from being employed so we understand your obvious anger at the world.
By your own admission you don’t make any profit.
Which is fucking ridiculous considering you are a Heroin dealer.
You lost the argument, now you accuse your ‘owner’ of being a smack dealer…..classy.
You must be AC1′s pimp.
tat usually loses the argument and then resorts to personal abuse. It’s his modus operandi the wee shite.
They have a right to F off and find another job.
The right to strike and organized labour are inherently anti libertarian.
Correct
The Libertarian does not adversely affect the lives of others.
Well that is all very well chaps, but the fireman have a legal right to strike.
Never mind your infantile libertarian ranting, if you wish to change the law then you will have be returned to parliament and propose a law to ban strikes.
Until you do that you are merely expelling hot air.
They have a right to strike, and we their employers have a right to “Fire them” (geddit!)) for striking.
The Libertarian does not adversely affect the lives of others.
Do what?
I would say advocating the free movement of labour certainly adversely affects the lives of others, for starters.
They are emergency services paid for by the taxpayer. If they resort to blackmail they whole fucking lot of them should be sacked.
Try applying for a job as a fireman… there’s a waiting list longer than at Disneyland.
A libertarian might disapprove of a private action but not requiire Government action to remedy it. Guido’s comment wasn’t relating to the Fire Brigade per se but to the lack of comment from a public servant who is paid to be the shadow minister responsible for the Fire Service. Regardless of why and when the Fire Brigade staff are striking the Shadow Minister with responsibility might have some thoughts worth sharing.
Never mind the shadow minister, the minister responsible for the fire service is in danger of being found guilty of corporate manslaughter if they do not tell the employers of the firemen to withdraw the threat to sack the firemen if they strike.
It is as simple as that. And they better hurry up as they are running out of time.
Sack ‘em anyway.
Burn baby, burn, eh, Frank?
You must be an arsonist.
Load of old shite.
Give the jobs to Poles instead. At least the fuckers wont grumble about doing 12 hour shifts instead of 15 hour ones.
Advertise in Warsaw, Gdansk, Wroclaw. Recruit locally offering three year rolling contracts plus payments into the Polish workers pension insurance, and you got a good, motivated team.
They have all done military service so should adapt well to the boredom, frenetic mix of the fireman’s job and working in teams of mates.
I can just imagine Poles putting up with their own government importing hundreds of thousands of Bulgarians and Romanians to undercut wages and take jobs in a recession.
Pogroms in Poznan would be the swift response.
There is only one catch – and it’s called Catch-22.
If it were firewimmin this would not be ‘appenin’.
It is firewimmin, you dried-up old Hunt.
The Fire Union boss was on BBC breakfast today and that Labour leaning bint who sits next to Bill did the interview. She was all over him like a bitch on heat and praising firemen for constantly risking their lives by rescuing the public from burning buildings.
She obviously knows nothing about firefighting. Yes they do save people but No they are not constantly risking their lives. All their training is based around NOT risking their lives, a dead fireman is no use to anyone. Hence all this Hooha about the London tube bombings when the firemen refused to go underground for some considerable time for fear of secondary explosions.
Correct – too msny people have their view on the Fire Service from Londons Burning where two fires per hour happened for dramatic purposes. Yes, they do risk their lives but not a daily or even weekly basis. How many Fire Fighters per year are killed on duty? When they strike for an extra wage to top them up to £30K per year, the job is done by young squaddies on £16K per year who cannot strike, and do not have the specialised kit or training. They then go off to Afghan and risk their lives on a daily basis.
The Navy is trained up to a very high standard in firefighting. 999 doesn’t work out at sea.
But why use the Green Goddesses? The public sevice firemen do not own the fire engines.
I thought that as well: apparently it’s elf’n'safety with the squaddies not been trained on operating those terribly complicated hoses on the big red engines, but being OK to operate the hoses on the green goddesses.
Dont have them anymore Gordon sold them.
Gordon gave them away. There a lot in Montenegro that are now junked and useless. At least the beancounters have saved money by not storing and maintaining them. Trebles all round!
I remember the last time the green godesses were used. The bloke opposite had a chimbly fire and a fucking idiot squaddie ran up the roof and stuck a fukong huge hose down the chimbly and turned it on full bast, The soot and shit flew out of every window in the house, it was like something out of Laurel and Hardy. The family had to move out for about a week, all the niebours were pissing themselves laughing
Firefighters claim that by sticking to 15 hour night shifts they are protecting Londoners at night. Since most fires occur during the day they are protecting their own right to get paid double time while having a good kip after playing some games in the station.
They’ve stalled over these conditions for 5 years. No wonder the employers want to sack them! Its just holding us tax payers to ransom.
Anybody here ever beat a “firefighter” at pool or table tennis?
No?
Nuff said.
Wasn’t it firemen who stood around for six hours whilst that scottish woman who had fallen down some disused shaft died, listening to hear dying, but did nothing to rescue her because they said they had been told not to do rope rescues?
Is that the guy who managed to get on a women only short list? I’m sure Harriet would have shown him the door had she been at the final selection meeting?
She shows him the tradesman’s entrance on a regular basis.
Ewww….. mindbleach please.
From Jack Dromey, London, Willesden, 1977: place: Grunwick.
Job: “Secretary” of “Brent Trades Council”. (Now there’s a great little piece of saying one thing and meaning another, if ever you saw one.)
“THERE IS NO QUESTION THAT THIS FIRM WILL BE CLOSED DOWN”.
Dromey is a humourless repellent left winger who is on record (and YouTube) coldly asserting that Labour won the last election – both @ 12.45 on the day following the vote (bad call?) and on the following Sunday – AFTER Brown had resigned.
He’s a blight on democracy & both he and his husband deserve each other.
Cameron should announce any deaths caused by Fire on the night of the strike will be deemed as being preventable so Corporate Manslaughter charges for Union leaders and Firemen.
Should announce Met Police and CPS have been given every support to follow up on this.
It is not the legal responsibility of Firemen to guarantee that cover.
Therefore they cannot be legally held responsible. That legal responsibility lies with their employers, so in that sense you are quite correct, the employers of the Firemen should be charged with corporate manslaughter charges.
And just a word of advice: if you intend to pontificate on legal issues you should at the very least research the law.
To prove manslaughter, you have to demonstrate ‘mens rea’, i.e. an intention to commit the dangerous act (in this case a failure to provide cover). Since the management has recruited adequate staff, paid them, equipped them and provided them with training, this would be impossible. The lack of cover will have been caused only by the firefighters’ inclination to have a day off at what’s usually a busy time for them, i.e. a time when they spend more than 5% of their time actually doing something.
Well said, Waad. And in this case the employers of the firemen have demonstrated beyond any doubt an intention to commit a dangerous act by threatening to sack the firemen if they go on strike, which the firemen are legally entitled to do.
Good point, Waad, well made.
Clearly the management are doing everything in their power to prevent a strike, by threatening to sack the firefighters if they choose to create a dangerous situation.
No they aren’t. It is within their power to stop acting illegally by threatening to sack the firemen for striking. If they wish to resolve this conflict it is within their power to withdraw that threat and until they do they will remain criminally liable for any deaths caused.
ATM – it is the management’s duty to set legal employment terms and it is well within their rights and arguably an obligation from time to time to propose alternatives to those terms. If the employees find said terms unacceptable they may leave and possibly claim for constructive dismissal/whatever. However this is not about the application of the law and logic but about the la-la land that is politically organised labour. I heard an interview this morning in which the union person said it was his and the employer’s duty to together agree the employment terms, which is nonsense, it is the employers duty to set them reasonably and his members may accept them or may not, they have no statutory duty that I am aware of to be involved in the construction of the contracts. Worker accepts, yes, worker creates, no.
Incidentally you appear to be by far the most informed and eloquent of the various socialist loons who appear on here from time to time. Seeing that Lorn Mandelson lost his job recently I wondered if you and he were in fact one and the same?
Or the firefighters could just stop posturing and go back to work.
Recruiting info for firefighters:
Are you prepared for the demands of a
disciplined uniformed service in which
you will have to take orders from other
people?
• Are you prepared to work day and night
shifts, evenings, weekends and public
holidays?
• Are you someone who can be relied
upon to be somewhere on time? Do
others see you as dependable?
More than one ‘No’ and you can become an orgainser for the FBU!
Abide by the law, Sir Waad.
This is the best argument I’ve had since Lady Waad went to visit her parents.
It might be safer for work-shy union members, but they rest of the country is destroyed by their leeching.
Collective Bargaining = Collective Sacking.
So firemen, the people who save lives whilst risking their own, are leeches, eh, AC1.
Takes one to know one, I suppose.
They way they are paid is.
No sympathy for people who strike and thus demonstrate that they don’t want a job, but they want the taxpayers money.
Yet again, AC1 displays his disregard and lack of respect for British Law.
There’s no need for strikes or unions come to that, as history has clearly shown that we can trust employers implicitly to look after the interests of their work force.
And pray tell, what the fuck would you know about firefighting?
and of course there is no political element in the FBU’s stance is there? Let’s remind ourselves of the 2002/3 strikes over the Bain report and the FBU’s demand for a 39% pay rise as the profession was so dangerous. This backfired when it was researched and proven that it was at the time the 23rd most dangerous profession.
Bain also recommended more part time firefighters.This was opposed by the FBU as it would have prevented unionisation of the membership.
So before giving us the Orwellian ‘striking firemen good,employers and government bad’ I suggest you consider the possibility that there may be some political motivation in this. Nothing to stop the FBU striking at another less dangerous time.
Making point possibly at the expense of people’s lives is neither clever nor brave
I disagree of course I would, but in this instance it can be proved the date chosen by the fire brigade union is to cause the most damage & obtain the most advantage.
Therefore a deliberate act to restrict an important service on its busiest and most dangerous day.
I would like to add a further element. Insurance, the Insurance industry should state categorically they will not pay out on any fire insurance on bonfire night. All insurance is invalidated claims should be submitted to the FBU
Unbelievably naive, the Fire Service are absolutely guarenteed public sympathy when striking and they’ve managed to lose that in one fell swoop
they didn’t seem to be supported a few years ago when they tried it on. and then the FBU leader got caught with his fingers in the till
Hello, Tory liar.
You lot are worse liars than the New Labour wankers.
explain
I think that it is up to geoff to explain, after all, he is the person making libellous statements, not me.
Please try to keep up.
The proposed strike on Nov 5th is a massive “own goal”.Even the BBC had a pop this morning…”So you’re going to disappoint thousands of children who will see their Bonfire Night Parties cancelled ? ” We only need pictures a few cute cats stuck up trees and their young owners in tears to completely twist the knife.The right wing press are already salivating at the prospect of making the FBU “Public Enemy No1″ along with the union bosses who support them
Fire the lot of them! If you can operate a garden hose then you’re practically a qualified fireman already . The Fire service is ripe for a Big Society style takeover.
Dromey’s silence is complicity.
he’s probably not aware of the potential strike – just like he wasn’t aware of liebore party’s financial shenanigans
Guido can’t think why Dromey is keeping shtum in this matter.It’s obvious why; he was elected to parliament from an “all women” shortlist & has to show that he has no balls.
no THAT was funny and well worth reading through the other dross
he’s a ladyboy
Make that a “malady boy”.
I think Dromey’s a creepy looking bastard. He reminds me of the stoney faced hitman you see lurking in the background of those old gangster films ready to do his boss’ bidding when told to take some unfortunate soul out “for a ride”.
Jack’s a highly intelligent and fearless meritocrat and will certainly have some oily words to pour on these trouble waters.
One wonders, had he still been amongst the quick, what Ralph Miliband would be saying to the communist leaning FBU.
Well the firefighters have to protect their first and second and possibly third jobs somehow.
Used to be in a Forestry Commision stalking syndicate with a couple of firemen – work four days then bugger off to the Borders for three days, then back down and sell the venison.
Did they move to Devon?
Absolutely, how will they be able do these jobs if they don’t get a solid 8 hours sleep on the night shift.
Jack Dromey has ‘form’, for those of us who remember Grunwick.
Nice one, Budgie, there are a few of us around who remember Grunwick – and that execrable old leftie Shirley Williams on the picket line giving her full support to the union violence and intimidation
We do – and he has.
I wonder if he still has that leather biker jacket he wore on the picket line?
Prehaps he gave it to Spitting Image for the Norman Tebbitt puppet.
Let’s hope DC asks Militwat tomorrow whether he’s in favour of a fire fighters’ strike on the busiest night of the year.
The government should now be asking everyone to move their bonfire night to a date when the FBU say we can have normal cover, thus negating (mostly) their cynical choice of date and, at the same time, leaving the union open to some highly critical press coverage.
Red Ed will have less ammunition for PMQ’s, i wonder what his attack will be?
On the basis that defence is the best form of attack, he may start to affect a bit of a stammer à la McRuin to appear vulnerable and garner sympathy, and make any form of criticism or scrutiny of him to look like “nastiness”.
His attack will probably be against George Osborne. After all, the growth in the economy over the last two months is thanks to the fiscal policy of the Labour party and George Osborne is strangling that growth at birth with his anti-growth voodoo economics.
HAHAHAHAHAH oh god I was getting depressed with all these liebour war supporting riot provoking troll student/ S.W.P members crawling up and down the blog spewing their lies! but you have cheered me up no end, now I now my village idiot theory is true !!
You managed to post nothing but insults as you have no argument against the facts featured in my post.
Well done!
So you clearly agree.
Where is your fact-filled post, ‘See how full of shit the Tories are, they have nothing but insults to offer’, as this appears to be your first post today?
I don’t know whether to agree or not…
Facts? What fucking ‘facts’? You posted your opinion – that is all.
Fucking cretinous clown.
What facts?
Well, the economy has grown by 0.8% this month and it grew by 1.2% last month, those are both facts.
The Tories’ economic policies have not yet been introduced, that is a fact.
So the only logical conclusion that can be made from those facts is that the growth in the economy is due to the previous administration’s economic stimulus policy.
It isn’t that hard to understand, even for a retard like you!
The growth of the economy is due to the fact that people are investing more because they’re happier with the coalition than they were with labour.
People didn’t dare invest whilst Brown was in power.
That’s why the economy grew.
Fuck me you’re thick – and you can’t spin this for shit.
You comment doesn’t make any sense whatsover.
People invest because they are happy? Are you on drugs?
The last sentence does make sense if one reads it as you talking to yourself.
I quote: “you have no argument against the facts featured in my post.” I then ask you what ‘facts’ and you then come forth with stuff not even previously posted.
What sort of a moron are you? Some sort of Labourist drone?
I wrote that the public are happier ‘with the coalition’ than they were with Brown, nothing to do with ‘wellbeing’ more to do with fiscal trust.
The public are investing more because they trust the coalition to do a better job than Labour did, after all it was Labour who pissed all our money away. So the coalition had a head start…eh.
The only growth labour caused were bruises from Nokia impacts.
He will probably continue to bang on about removing the universality of child allow allowance (irrespective of need) being unfair at the same time as saying the proposal for universal persion unlinked to contributions is also unfair
You’ve got it wrong Hugh; DC has to answer the questions, not ask them.
Of course, but I’m sure he will find a way. The phrase ‘strikers’ firend’ must be due for a comeback.
Falling back on tired old cliches, eh, Anus?
Pathetic and sad. Grow up, your party is in power now, and should start taking some responsibility instead of constantly engaging in childish name calling.
Governing party totally responsible for the strongest like for like quarter’s growth for 10 years. Labour can’t claim any credit
What, like taking some responsibility for thirteen years of unremitted Labour shit? I suppose you think this is all going to be sorted overnight.
No, it won’t be sorted out overnight.
George Osborne has reversed the successful fiscal stimulus package of the Labour party that was causing growth in the economy of 2% in the last two months.
Osborne, for purely political reasons, has cut of that stimulus, which will take us straight back into recession. He has put his party’s interest about the national economic interest by doing so.
Successful my arse. The growth in business confidence has nothing to do with a failed Labour government. It’s precisely because that arsehole Brown and his hench-persons have been booted out that we’re seeing anything like a revival. You seriously believe perpetual 2% growth was likely? What planet are you on?
And wtf does “He has put his party’s interest about the national economic interest by doing so.” mean? The remedial writing ain’t working, is it?
it’s PMQs not leader of the opposition qts – I seem to remember Brown was castigated about this on here not so long ago
whether that means DC is a twat is another matter
Members of that family not saying a word – as if.
What is an England-hating, hard-line Stalinist doing as shadow minister responsible for our emergency services?
Not very much, it would seem. Perhaps we should be grateful for this.
Don’t expect anything like a responsible statement from Dromey…like his two faced gutless wife hes too busy brown nosing his union chums
Mr harperson is a twat
such a comparison pisses me off
Explains why I get wood every time I see him!
Could it be that if he opens his mouth, he might be arraigned for sedition?
A 15 hour shift and a 9 hour shift now becomes a 12 hour / 12 hour shift pattern, so they’re striking. No extra hours to work, no loss of salary but they still feel the need to strike – on fucking Bonfire Night!!!
Anyone read how the unions have been reacting to the idea of non union members operating the appliances? – intimidation and violence is coming.
Do they still have beds in fire stations? If so, why are we paying them to sleep? The two other emergency services have no such luxury.
You don’t understand the reason for the conflict, concrete pump. They are not striking over the shift patterns, they are striking because they have told the will be sacked if they take any action.
Which is an illegal position for their employers to take as the firemen are legally entitled to strike.
It is a matter of principle, concrete pump, which is probably why you don’t understand.
Collective Bargaining = Collective Sacking
Striking means you don’t want to do the job. More people apply to be firemen and women than there are places. Let’s let people who want to do the job, do the job (instead of being lazy union members)!
Strike and you’re fired!
Same goes for tube/train drivers & signallers – now that cant be a very difficult job – could probably link it to an x-box and let my kids do it
wake up – four hours to mod that – and its not even offensive or libelous
If you wish that to be the case then you will have to campaign to change the law AC1. Until that time you are nothing more than a person inciting others to commit criminal acts and your views are of no consequence.
“Lawmakers cannot be lawbreakers” ???
They already are, what do you call fraud on parliamentary expenses?
Not exactly lawful activity, is it?
Fine principle to let kids burn in the event of a bonfire or firework accident!
Typical me first and sod the rest socialist/marxite attitude.
Too late for firemen once the accident’s happened, in amy case.
Read my post @ 39 you fucking gimp….
oh right. So it’s not just politically expediant for them then?
I’m glad you corrected me, otherwise I would have just assumed that that they were looking for a fight on a pretty flimsy context, having been whipped up to a righteous fervour by the unions for their own ends.
Oh dear, looks like you might have ‘jumped the gun’ a bit there – I’m still waiting to see if you’ve read my post @39……hello…………HELLO.
He’s fucked off, can’t say i’m surprised…..
No, still here. It’s just that you are a criminally minded person inciting the breaking of the law and therefore you views on this issue are invalid.
That ^post^ is the biggest commentfail EVER!
Hasn’t this dispute been going on for about five years?
And so you to, as you have sided with the criminally minded AC1, have no respect for British Law and believe it should be completely disregarded.
Not a very wise position to take. A criminal one to take in fact.
Yes this dispute has been dragging on for years because Labour failed to deal with it.
“Not a very wise position to take. A criminal one to take in fact”.
What are you going to do…..phone the police? ROFL!!
The Conservative Minister’s illegal position which will lead to people dying on Bonfire night makes you roll on the floor laughing, eh, concrete pump?
You’re a psychopath.
A feeble attempt to spin my comment – doh! What a mong you are.
Your comments are about as worth spinning as the hair from a mangy old goat.
The union is objecting to a change of shift patterns and a reduction of personnel, as I understand it. The targeting of bonfire night smacks of the same kind of political ambition that saw the BBC dispute evolving around coverage of the government, so we have what might, again, be a legitimate disagreement hijacked by some self-promoting union officials, at the expense of their membership.
I don’t doubt the vast majority of firemen would be very reluctant to strike, just as I don’t doubt too many union officials see strikes as a way of making a name for themselves. You can’t legislate against that, but the membership can certainly ensure they aren’t taken for granted by their representatives.
Leave my husband alone! He’s a man of honour and integrity, just like me!
i always knew u weren’t female, H
Damn! Rumbled!
Dromey is female though, he was the product of an all-wimmin shortlist.
If I had to wake up next to you every morning, harperson, I might also be a frothing psycho hoping to burn london to the ground
This is nothing to do with workers rights, and wages. Like all the strikes that are to come, they are not in the public favour. But purely political and aimed at bringing the coaliton down. The lefties just cannot get over the fact they lost the election
The firemen are striking because they have been threatened with the sack if they strike.
As they are legally entitled to strike they are right and their employers are acting illegally.
Surely you aren’t arguing that employers should be allowed to break the law?
Liebor trolls spinning again. The fire “fighters” are striking because they want to hang onto their privileges. They have managed to hoodwink their management by stringing negotiaons out for 5 years or more. The management have no choice but to sack them and take on new staff.
They don’t like it up ‘em.
Perhaps Labour are hoping that nice Dave will cancel fireworks day and get them orff the hook, so they can then say what a nasty party the tories are and how they’ve ruined the big day.
This strike will be used by all the lefty authorities to get heavy and stop firework parties and use RIPA and other legislation to cancel sales and prevent people from letting orff any fireworks, even a damp squib.
When I first saw this back in May, I found Jack’s bullshitting hilarious. But it also made me want to smack his ugly face in.
Should make a very good Liebour politician – always in denial, always looking back and always avoiding the question.
The fragrant Flint will be keeping him in check from now on, one hopes.
Flinty can keep me in check any time she wants, as long as she is prepaired to have me hump the left wing out of her each and every night (and sometimes, in the morning, before breakfast)
Blair’s babes love it before toast and tea.
Who winds this fucker up in the morning? Oh I forgot…
He needs a rocket up his arse.
Can I help?
12 hr shifts means less time for second jobs
FBU less worried about fire safety more about filling their boots.
Give me a fire hose and extinquisher
print and spend print and spend PRINT AND SPEND!!!!!!
hahahahahahahahahahahahah
Yes yes yes yes YEEEESSSSS!!!!!!!!!
Print print print spend spend ooohhh yeeeahhhh yeahhhh YEEEEEEAHHH!!!!!!!!!!
That’s funny stuff, guys, as the Tories are just about to print another 200 billion of funny money.
Jesus fucking wept, these Tories are so full of shit it is simply unfuckingbelievable!
AH I’m glad I don’t have to meet you in person little labour puppet [no I'm not I hear you shout again! ] as a life sentence would ruin my day !
Comrade Jack Dromey would make a good Guy Fawkes to stick on top of the bonfire.
Is he a catholic?
Only when there’s votes in it.
In Germany,only cities with more than 100,000 inhabitants have a paid fire service. Elsewhere its the volunteer fire service. Even Berlin has a volunteer fire service alongside the paid service.
This is also the case in Australia, Canada, Chad, China, Finland, Japan, Malaysia, Netherlands, New Zealand, Singapore, Sweden and the United States.
Just saying…
We would rather pay people to sleep 80/90% of the time and have second jobs
and that is just Parliament
Good grief. Do you mean to say there are places with a community spirit?
Yes, but we’re working on it!
If you remember we had a volunteer fire service it was called the AFS Auxilary Fire Service but due to Liebour doing what they do best with the countries money ,Thatcher got rid of all the volunteer auxilary services ,hence the over abundance of the “Green Godesses”,although I believe we have volunteer fire service in the sticks.
And I can just see our glorious employers putting up with employees on call for something non-work related.
They do for the RNLI.
Yes I know, and for mountain rescue as well, but I would say a fire fighter will be called out far more often than either of those two.
It would depend how it was worked out,I would have thought that a volunteer fireman would get call out allowance per call to cover what his employer lost because of his absence,but some employers will pay up as it’s belief in being part of the community,but I suspect some don’t mind in the countryside as if the area was prone to fires it would need a fire station in the area.
The ‘volunteer’ fire service is alive and kicking – Quoting from the Fire Service website:
“Retained firefighters are a vital part of today’s Fire and Rescue Service. They provide an efficient, cost effective and reliable service that provides emergency cover to more than 60% of the UK. Unfortunately, the majority of the general public are not aware that Retained firefighters exist, let alone that their local fire station is a Retained station.”
Where have you been, many UK fire services are run on retained firemen who have other jobs
So if you don’t pay then your house burns down?
Not a good plan Bill, especially if you live next door and have paid.
Please go back to the fucking drawing board and try again.
Where does the ‘if you have paid’ come into it? Have you read something no one has written? Its not pay as you go.. You don’t buy a voucher in case of fire.
Its a VOLUNTEER fire service. The equipment and stations are paid from taxes as normal. The crews are all volunteers and are paid for each call out/training/ maintenance/ exercises etc. the cost is lower but the service the same. would expect it must work or why would the USA do it?
We do, as someone points out above, already have this service in rural parts of the country.
If you must bang your party drum at least try and bang it in time.
You sound like a fucking communist, Bill.
I do not engage with communists. Good day sir.
you just did, you fucking wanker
If that’s the best you can do then you’re the fucking wanker, mate.
Why,thats TPAKA that’s how the fire service started,when the insurance companies many moons ago insured houses and gave you a plaque to put up on the wall ,if you had a fire and you weren’t insured or you were insured with the wrong company and you had a fire bye bye house.
We’re on our way back to power!
Is that the stench of Labour dirty tricks I can smell? Is that the stench of an evil calculated Labour strategy to enable Ed to say “The government are responsible for the deaths on November 5th” I can smell? Labour, evil to its very core. Mr and Mrs Dromey, kindly get cancer as soon as possible. Thanks.
The London Fire Brigade new motto
nos would non piss in vos si vos erant in incendia
Pissing on a burning person is potentially dangerous and can not be carried out without a full health and safety assessment.
Only if it’s an electrical fire.
John Gaunt and Angela Eagle on Brillo. Will Gaunty be able to refrain from smashing her in the Gob?
I was going to say you shouldn’t hit a woman but she isn’t.
Is her brother Maria?
No, it’s Eddie.
I prefer to watch paint dry than listen to Angela Eagle MP Wallasey,every time I hear her I think of one of those father Ted episodes the one in the store in the Ladies dept.
“A Christmassy Ted”
Anna Eagle’s briefing notes begin with the instruction to answer all questions with : “Well, what we’ve said is that we are going to have to consider what our position on that one might be”. She was on with Paxo a day or two ago and that was her spiel. Paxo was looking on quite befuddled by it all.
She looked like a Munchkin trying to look like a man.
She looked ridiculous, until she opened her mouth and spoke.
At which point she sounded like a Munchkin trying to sound like a man.
With (ex) ministerial “represenation” like this, we were brought very low by the NuLab Experiment.
Are ‘firefighters’ the new Labour Aristocracy?
They spend most of their shifts asleep or playing table tennis and most of them have the time and energy for second or third jobs to add to the 50k plus big expenses from ‘firefighting’ (mainly visiting schools and workplaces to give advice). They can then retire at 50 on a pension of two thirds salary ie well over £30k.
Even those Leyland car ‘workers’ back in the 70′s didn’t have it that good.
Are they allowed to do any firefighting any more?
I thought health and safety had banned it for being dangerous?
Cant speak for fires, but they’ve banned rescuing you if you fall down a large hole; they just stand around for 6 hrs watching you die.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-glasgow-west-10837451
And they had to provide their own sleeping bags too.
Light the blue touchpaper and retire.
http://www.amazon.co.uk/Fahrenheit-451-Flamingo-Modern-Classics/dp/0006546064/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1288092091&sr=8-1
Today’s yoof probably thinks Fahrenheit is a mountain in Ethiopia, but life could be about to imitate art (again).
They tries a big strike in 2002 and it was a flopperoonie.
Polly Toynbee, Ed Miliband, the Labour Party, and their fellow travellers have ceased to be a political opposition and are rapidly metamorphosing into an anarchist movement.
They have no policies, they have no constructive criticism, they have suggested no alternative approach; chaos and disorder are their goals.
But what do Pretty Polly and Red Ed propose as solutions if the coalition is brought down by by strikes and riots?
What then Polly?
What then Ed?
The odious Polly will fuck off to Tuscany cackling at all the shit she’s left behind her.
She’s always leaving a lot shit behind me
Is that the best you can do?
F-.
Fail.
I thought he was bang on. You lot seem a bit desperate this afternoon, is there something wrong….?
Your comment does not go very far towards laying the ground for the formation of a coherent set of alternative policies.
Which is a pity.
Keep reading Moley.
You are Sion Simon, and I claim my $5
Here’s Polly out meeting the little people
http://www.dubnicky.com/images/pa/chaos_marine.jpg
Is that the same “Polly” Toynbee who failed to get her 11*plus despite a rather expensive education at Badminton School,managed to get into Oxford Uni, despite only having one A level,and is distantly related to Andrew Marr?
Aren’t wealth and good contacts a wonderful thing in Mary’s egalitarian world.
insert after words “managed to get into Oxford Uni, despite only having one A level” the words “but flunked her exams and left without ever completing her degree”
Dromey’s in the pocket of the unions.
Which birdbrain thought threatening a walk-out on 5 November was a smart idea? He must be a Labour insider.
That will be a few bob in overtime lost then.
Well done Andrew, you have won -
“The most boring post ever posted in the history of blogging”
Good work!
You are Sion Simon, and I claim my $2
Boring maybe. But I’m right!
Only someone with the awareness levels of Gordon Brown would consider this on 5 November. PR cockup!
Liebour still have not twigged to the Law of Inevitable Unintended Consequences. A strike on Bonfire Night would ensure a generation of kids become aware of what a nihilistic, selfish and corrupt crowd are the fire fighters, their unions and their Liebour Party agitators.
The Conservative have not twigged the rule of law.
The Conservative Minister will be held liable for any deaths on Bonfire Night as he is the responsible party. Therefore this issue will be resolved in the Firemen’s favour and the threat of strike will be withdrawn by the employers.
Which explains all the bleating by the Tory propagandists on this thread today.
I remember the last time the firemen striked, when they wanted £40,000 a year. They sat outside Slough fire station looking for sympathy and instead were rewarded with the public shouting at them to get the fuck back to work.
They didn’t come outside again until the strike was called off.
But on this occasion the employers are breaking the law by threatening the Firemen with the sack if they strike when they are legally entitled to strike.
Which is why they will win this dispute.
Not a very good loser, are you, concrete pump.
The firemen will lose public support – ergo the firemen will lose, not me. I’ve already exposed your shit trolling.
Not very good at this, are you? Loser.
The only thing you’ve exposed is what a cock you are.
Mate.
Great reply……….mate! Hahahahahahahahahahahahahaha!
Almost forgot…….I’m not a tory and this is the second time i’ve exposed your poor trolling, so that’s……2 – 0.
And now you’ve shown us your nuts!
Yeah, get cuppin’ em.
He got yer there tat, good n proper.
Striked??? Strike a light.
I’ll cover for those lazy firepersons. They’re crap map readers anyway – ever noticed how they come steaming past you only to whizz back in the opposite direction five minutes later?
One way systems and councils who put 6ft 6″ width restrictions on urban roads will explain that.
There is a large housing estate near me which is inaccessible to ambulances and fire appliances without a long detour through multiple traffic lights, even then, the ambulances and fire engines have to crawl over 10-12 massive speed humps.
We have a Lib Dem council.
have you ever seen a speed hump speeding?
Nope.
Have you ever seen a house fly?
No but there always seem to be flies on trousers.
The correct name for a speed hump is a sleeping policeman. Perhaps we should change this to sleeping fireman?
They are sometimes referred to as ‘Safety Cushions’ in the local Pravda rag.
Leave that untrained Filipino nurse alone. The patient whose life support she switched off was probably a Tory voter anyway.
Has anyone told the police about this yet?
They’re still down the chippy.
no they arn’t fucking cheek. They are out joyriding.
The Ten most dangerous Jobs (Fatalities/100000)
Timber cutters 117.8
Fishers 71.1
Pilots and navigators 69.8
Structural metal workers 58.2
Drivers-sales workers 37.9
Roofers 37
Electrical power installers 32.5
Farm occupations 28
Construction laborers 27.7
Truck drivers 25
http://personal.rhul.ac.uk/uhte/020/Labour%202005/Most%20Dangerous%20jobs.pdf
There are millioms of immigrants that can come here and do that job for a few rupees. thats what labour have been encouraging.
We dont need them any way. In portugal and other countries they are all volunteers cos they cant afford what we do!
Fuck em, let them burn in hell . That is what they are saying to us.
Complete waste of money, sack the lot, if they are not making bogus 999 calls for overtime they are busy setting fire to things
How many of the racist homophobic thugs were sent to prison during the 60s, 70s and 80s, NONE
Is this the same Jack Dromey who, as Treasurer of the Labour Party, said that he hadn’t known about £3.5 MILLION of loans to the Party from dodgy chancers who had been made Peers of the realm? And who the following year said he hadn’t known about £630,000 of illegal donations from Geordie slimeball David Abrahams?
Perhaps he just doesn’t know about the proposed strike?
Presumably, he also does not know about the millions of our pounds given to the unions by Brown et al. to ‘modernise’.
So he would be baffled that the cheques were sent in packages which were merely re-addressed to the Labour Party.
0.8% growth last quarter. This puts the Left into the awkward position of wishing for economic failure and personal distress.
The 0.8% growth must be thanks to the fiscal policy of Labour. The Conservatives can’t claim credit as none of their policies have been implemented yet.
Waad, you are on very poor form this morning. And you were yesterday as well.
Raise your game, for goodness sake.
Oh dear gawd Tat please try a bit harder to hide who you are.
You’re embarrassed to be tat, and we’re embarrassed for you.
Correction – the employers will withdraw the threat of sacking firmen who strike.
An important correction as the liberty of a Conservative Minister depends upon this happening.
stalin would be proud of the labour party. He only killed 26 million russians.
Mao managed 30 million deaths.
In your face Stalin!
SOUNDS HORNY TO ME
It think it was double that total for the Chinese-Marxist Omelette.
1. Mao Ze-Dong (China, 1958-61 and 1966-69, Tibet 1949-50) 49-78,000,000
2. Jozef Stalin (USSR, 1932-39) 23,000,000 (the purges plus Ukraine’s famine)
3. Adolf Hitler (Germany, 1939-1945) 12,000,000 (concentration camps and civilians WWII)
4. Hideki Tojo (Japan, 1941-44) 5,000,000 (civilians in WWII)
5. Ismail Enver (Turkey, 1915-20) 1,200,000 Armenians (1915) + 350,000 Greek Pontians and 480,000 Anatolian Greeks (1916-22) + 500,000 Assyrians (1915-20)
6. Pol Pot (Cambodia, 1975-79) 1,700,000
7. Kim Il Sung (North Korea, 1948-94) 1.6 million (purges and concentration camps)
8. Menghistu (Ethiopia, 1975-78) 1,500,000
9. Yakubu Gowon (Biafra, 1967-1970) 1,000,000
10. Leonid Brezhnev (Afghanistan, 1979-1982) 900,00
The left doing what they excel at. Given any opportunity.
What was preventing growth was the presence of a failed Government and a Prime Minister who everybody would walk through a desert to avoid.
Renewed confidence has nothing to do with Labour policies and everything to do with the removal of an odious Government with an odious leader.
+1
it’s so obvious, only a Labour moron would disagree
much like the “swingeing cuts” are of course the Tories fault, and not the result of 13 years of Gordon Brown’s tax and waste, borrow like crazy to fund the bloated state and its nonjob & benefit-guzzling wastrel army
ohhh nooooo.. Labour wouldn’t cut “essential” public services, how could we survive without a million 5-a-day outreaching diversity facilitating coordinators ?
Labour’s “fiscal policy”. Summed up basically as “destroy the economy so we can stay in power”. Didn’t work that well, did it ?
Never fucking does. Labour doesn’t work.
PS Tories are clearly no fucking better, of course.
Desperate…..
TAT the Twat, the goverment either on the left or the right take the credit for what was done before they were they were the goverment and as long as the credit happens in their watch,blame will always be poured on the last ones who were in goverment.
Precisely. But in this case it is true. Conservative economic policy has not yet been implemented so it is patently obvious that any growth in the economy must be due to the policy of the previous administration.
Expect Ed to go on this one tomorrow.
Growth is due to investment which is due to people having confidence in the future.
There was no confidence in the future until labour were removed from office because it was clear that their policies were ruining the country.
Brown refused point blank to admit it, his Party failed to replace him and his Cabinet failed to produce any policies to address the problems entailed by massive and increasing debt.
The only solution offered then and now was to keep piling up the debt.
It takes time for investment to filter throught, Moley, so you are arguing my case for me as the Tories have only been in power for a few months.
The investment (fiscal stimulus) provided by the Labour party has filtered through and is directly responsible for the growth we are witnessing today.
As much as the readers here hate Gordon Brown they cannot deny that the Labour fiscal stimulus package has meant this country escaped the recession far quicker than would otherwise have been possible.
The consequence of George Osborne slashing that stimulus by imposing such swift cuts to services will drag us back into recession.
It’s basic economics.
So Brown’s policies were right after all, and the Shadow Cabinet has made a terrible mistake in dissociating themselves from them?
The Shadow Cabinet are completely wrong?
At least we are all agreed on something.
Basic economics and the Labour party, are mutually exclusive strangers.
As for your tosh about Gideon doing anything remotely different than the useless pricks in ZaNu, well that’s about as worthlessly tribal and ignorant as it gets. Labour plans were for 20% reduction in public spending over the Parliament, Osbo the clown, is promising 19%.
They are dancing on a fucking pinhead, pretending there is any difference between them.
It is a farce, a charade, an insult, gesture politics from a generation who have all but abandoned real politics.
Most of that 0.8% growth came from TAXPAYER’S MONEY being spent to build a poxy, overpriced, overbudget string of Stadia in East London.
Fuck’s sake TAT, the “growth” has come from a kickback to the builders.
Fuck my old boots! You are more retarded than that slackjawed, Jockinese, bong-eyed Mongoloid that was in Downes Syndrome Street earlier this year.
But hey, keep typing shite. It keeps me entertained. Everyone knows its fun to poke windowlickers with a stick.
I’ll make a statement about this to my team of carers at 1.52 and 18 seconds. First, pump my arse full of fizzy orange.
Hasn’t Charlie Whelan given his Red Eded puppet an announcement to read out regarding Liebours policy on this yet? Shocking…
In a “Bonfire Night Special” Blackwall’s Blue Watch are all out on strike in this gripping opening episode of the new series of the successful London Weekend’s drama series of the 1980′s and 1990′s “London’s Burning!” sponsored by the FBO in conjunction with UNITE
I not do anytin wron! Lea me alo! I good nurse! I press right buttah!
Cast your mind back ten years
To the girl who’s next to me in school
If I put me hand upon her leg
She hit me with a rule
Though tomorrow won’t be long
You’re gonna have to play it cool
You get fascinated by her
She could set the place on fire
Run and get the fire brigade
Get the fire brigade
See the buildings start to really burn
Get the fire brigade
Get the fire brigade
If you jump you’ve got to wait your turn
Friends all seem to laugh
I fear I’m apt to make a compromise
Try to reassure myself
My head must need some exercise
Half past ten in the morning
She just took me by surprise
True she set the place on fire
You get fascinated by her
Run and get the fire brigade
Get the fire brigade
See the buildings start to really burn
Get the fire brigade
Get the fire brigade
If you jump you’ve got to wait your turn
[ From: http://www.metrolyrics.com/fire-brigade-lyrics-electric-light-orchestra.html ]
The lights across the street throw a rainbow
I’d love you all to meet her
I’ll be there, I’ll be there
Notice that my eyes have been
A misty place since saturday
Brings a feeling we might lead
The fire engines anyway
Though tomorrow won’t be long
You’re gonna have to play it cool
You get fascinated by her
She could set the place on fire
Run and get the fire brigade
Get the fire brigade
See the buildings start to really burn
Get the fire brigade
Get the fire brigade
If you jump you’ve got to wait your turn
Run and get the fire brigade
Get the fire brigade
See the buildings start to really burn
Get the fire brigade
Get the fire brigade
If you jump you’ve got to wait your turn
Well it’s back to the past with the firemen on strike and the green godesses in action.Dromey will be making a guest appearance at the Grunwick picket line .The good old days.
Why bother?
Is this the final solution for Polly and her guardianistas?
Like a bad poet in the HHGTTG series, her own body is trying to remove her future writing from existence!
If Polly Toy Bee gets cancer, are we allowed to tell her she deserves it for supporting the Labour government of Blair and Brown? Well, if she thinks it’s acceptable to tell a breast cancer sufferer she deserves it for working at NI…
Any one know what red ed doing?
We all know BBC is now official opposition shortly to get short money..
How can something be described as a ‘contract’ when one of the parties can say, ‘I’m changing the contract and if you don’t like it you’re sacked?’
Because the original contract would have had a clause giving the employer the right to change working shift patterns if such a change did not alter the total hours worked in a year. The employer would have made a reasonable request citing reasons why and the employee is expected to ‘not unreasonably’ object. For my part I would have thought 12 hour nights safer than 15 hour nights given the stats that are available covering mental and physical efficiency for shift workers.
If the unions took a hard line and refused to discuss then the employer is within his rights to be equally hard line.
Well, as you seem to know better than the firefighters what is good for them perhaps you should offer them the benefit of your experience. An employer can certainly make a reasonable request; and an employee can equally make a reasonable rejection.
No, no, no.
We are to obey the demands of employers at all times. Without question.
It’s the new globalist, post-democratic way.
Of course, the real objection is to the 12 hour days, not the reduction in night shift length.
It might have something to do with the second job culture…
If contracts were as fixed as you suggest then Firemen couldn’t leave their jobs either!
Contracts have a termination clause, and they’re generally balanced, so both parties have to give the same notice that the contract will not be renewed.
It will be interesting if the concept of unfair dismissal enters into this.
I think the decision to strike is… Hurry up, Charlie, they’re waiting for me to finish my speech.
Carry on spending, let the kids pay, just off to tuscany now
Kos he is a Hunt?
For shame!
You’re all just plain envious.
When all’s said and done, Jack’s the lucky lad who gets to go home to a warm Harriet every night.
That’s his plan. Get to the gates of heaven and when St Peter is about to send him down to Hell, he plays the ‘But I had to let Hattie Harman take me roughly for years and years. I’ve paid my dues”
We get rid of elected prime ministers and install despots.
Do the EUSSR count as despots.
Is it me or has this blog been suddenly infested with Leftie wankers?
I can only assume that their blogs with 1 comment from the same person is getting boring.
I really think it’s a bout time that we taxed wanking. I could have quite a big bill
but how would this be implemented. Would the biggezst bill go to the pALACE OF WESTMINSTER?
Hmm
P.A.Y.E.
Pay As You Ejaculate
And if the tax man takes too much will there be any comeback at the end of the fiscal year?
I think there is only one of it.
Yep, there’s one sockpuppet. The Anonymous Typist’s style is an unmistakable combination of entitlement, anger and delusion.
So, it’s you?
Really, just one… they seem very productive for a Socialist. I expect that behind that person there is a team of fuck wits, diversity co-ordinators and mong counters.
don’t be daft, they’re bankrupt
just like they’v bankrupted us and our children and probably grandchildren
If you don’t like it, you can always fuck off, Grimelord.
After all, that is the argument put forward by the Tory trolls regarding the firemen.
Isn’t it?
My argument is that to initiate a strike it should be law that over 50% of the membership should vote in favour of action. Usually most strikes are voted by less than half of its members. With only around 30% of the total membership voting for a strike. This leaves 70% of its membership either against the action or couldn’t be bothered to vote.
Any way I like this blog, so I will carry on visiting.
When that is the case then you will have a point. But it is currently not.
Anyway, your point has nothing to do with the debate, which is that the employers of the Firemen have no right to threaten them with the sack if they strike because the Fireman are legally entitled to strike.
The only way to resolve this conflict and ensure the safety of the public on Bonfire Night is for the employers to withdraw their ridiculous and unfounded threat of dismissal of employees taking action they are legally entitled to take.
You are Sion Simon, and I claim my $2.34
I think that the public would view a strike deliberately held on November 5th in a different light.
Why does the Union want to strike on November 5th?
Because that is the one night of the year on which the danger to life and property is at its highest, and predictably so.
There is a real risk that if the Union calls a strike on the 5th that their call will be disobeyed.
Individual firemen are better people than that.
You miss the point, Moley. The Firemen are not guarantors of the safety of the public, the Tory Minister in charge of the Fire service is.
The employers have threatened to sack Firemen who strike. Firemen are legally entitle to strike and will go on strike if that threat is not removed.
Why are you acting so dumb about it, Moley? The employers are in the wrong and will have to withdraw their empty threat.
And when they have done the right thing the Firemen will be at their stations and ready to respond on Bonfire night.
You are on the losing side, Moley.
I repeat;
I think that firemen are better people than that.
Call the strike; see how many firemen obey an instruction to endanger life.
You argue using the semantics of the terrorist; ” If the Government does not fulfil our demands, people will die and it will be the Minister’s fault.”
To: Its a free contry AKA Window licker, I think its time for you to be put back in your Mong box, night, night
Well, whatever the news Brown is not and never ever will be again PM of this country.
You have to laught.
All those Labour MP’s that plotted to get rid of Blair and anoint Brown, used good judgement, didn’t they?
Were you one of them?
Thank God he’s gone.
Livingstone says any one who has more than 1 holiday a year should have that holiday taxed, because it’s a class thing.
Hope Polly’s not listening.
I never realised holidays are not taxed, where exactly do ordinary people get all these free holidays? (as opposed to junkets and fact finding missions given to the card carriers), thanks for that marxist gem from Ken, Polly’s away at the Dacha in Tuscany, its a bit chilly over here for her at the moment, in more ways than one.
last time I looked that holiday I get is taxed – I get paid for my Holiday, it’s taxed ! I also pay VAT and all sorts for other taxes of flights, insurance fuel etc etc therefore I get taxed. QED.
O/T
BBC 1pm News goes over to female reporter in Bristol Shopping Centre for public reaction to growth figures after dire warnings of slow down and double-dip.
First Man: I’m afraid that as a country we’ve borrowed what we can’t afford and so we have to pay our debts back.
Second Man: I agree
Reporter in consternation to Second Man ; “But you’ll have to budget more won’t you ?”
Second Man ; “No not really my budgets unchanged !”
Reporter quickly turns to First Man for hopefully another view
First Man: “I agree my budgets unaffected at present!”
Reporter handing back to studio “Well there you have some views from the High Street but I should make clear that there are many people with opposite views!”
Replace that girl imediately before the 6pm news!!!
Yes the champagne bottles weren’t strewn around BBC White powder city this election.
And they did – they have spent all afternoon dredging up someone to parrot what the beeb have told them to say – “the end of the world is nigh.”
And they have – they spent all afternoon finding someone prepared to read out their script “the end of the world is nigh.”
Please stop referring to Jack Dromey as a man. He can’t be as he was picked from an all women’s short list. No wonder Lieber always bang on about equal rights for weirdos!
I’ll have you know I have the some number of gonads as my wife.
Will he be undergoing Gender Reassignmnet and waste more NHS funds ?
Has any one heard yet how Labour will get us out of the economic mess that they created?
Exactly what would they cut?
The fire brigade service for example on nights when they are needed the most?
Perhaps that would save money.
Perhaps the nurses could go on strike too in the winter when there is a flu epidemic? We could save more money there, and think of all the deaths and accordingly all the money we would save in pension money and winter fuel allowances.
I think the unions and labour have got it about right. Is this their final solution, Polly?
Sorry but Istill not sure what the answer is?
We’re all in denial.
Gordon Brown’s fiscal stimulus policy has caused 0.8% growth in the economy this month, why are you attacking the man?
You should get down on your knees and thank him for that.
And enjoy it while you can because the millionaire George Osborne has cut that stimulus policy and is leading us back into recession.
“Gordon Brown’s fiscal stimulus policy has caused 0.8% growth in the economy this month, why are you attacking the man?”
Do you
*actually*
believe that ?
Actually don’t bother answering. You’re beyond help. Clearly, you can fool some of the people all of the time.
I agree that Brown is responsible for the present growth, but it was his decision to resign which did it.
If he had agreed to resign before, we would have been able to achieve more growth earlier.
I understand that Brown’s former Cabinet is united in the belief that Brown’s policies were wrong.
Or perhaps not; maybe all the former Cabinet members who are now back in the Shadow Cabinet believe that no mistakes were made and that Brown’s policies should be continued, after all, as you say, they are responsible for the encouraging growth we now have.
Perhaps Moley, perhaps.
But I only deal in facts, not speculation.
I am the King Cnut of the Gold Market.
That’s a typo, I think.
Er, didn’t you see the economic figures today?
0.8 per cent growth in one month, all thanks to the Labour party’s stimulus package.
Shame Osborne has just cut that package with his barbaric cuts thus taking this country back into recession.
The Tories claim to be financial wizards but they are worse than fucking useless.
not quite as bad as gordon though, who you couldnt even vote for, in your stalinist club
Forgotten already that it was Labour that racked up £1.3 trillion worth of debt?
And Ed Milliband must shoulder some of the responsibility as he’d worked in the Treasury.
’0.8 per cent growth in one month, all thanks to the Labour party’s stimulus package’.
Er. no. It was THREE months growth and if the Liebour party had anything to do with it, it must have cost the Taxpayers an absolute fortune.
We do need the skills of philipino nurses to assist this country in suicides.
Britons dont have the skills to do it themselves.
There is a Viagra meeting at my local pub tonight.
You’ve got to be well hard to get in.
I’ll come in round the back
As a less than upright citizen I will need a stiff drink.
We already had bonfire night this year any way. It was May 6th.
This strike will have no effect on the double dip recression this government is leading us into.
Everyone who voted Conservative or Lib Dem in May should feel proud:
Standard and Poor say “The decisions reached by the United Kingdom coalition government … reduce risks to the government’s implementation of its June 2010 fiscal consolidation programme”
This happened last month in the US – will it happen here?
Firefighters watch as home burns to the ground
http://www.wpsdlocal6.com/v/?i=104052668
Wifey told him to zip it.
I am committed to a double dip recession. That is what I have promised and that is what I will deliver. Labour is the party of recession – it will be in our next manifesto.
We will support our Liebour masters by incessantly broadcasting news and other programmes predicting doom, gloom and despondency whilst they are out of government.
Did the fire service go on strike in ‘Drongo Dromeys’ favourite holiday resort of Cuba, after half a million public service jobs were cut there ?
we can always hope that dromey and harperson’s first and second homes go up in flames that night with no firemen to put it out (sorry harriet, firepersons).
Even sweeter if they are stuck upstairs.
I’ve got some firelighters going spare, where the fuck is that Pudding Lane.
The BBC would like to announce that they are fully committed to stories of public sector cuts creating a second global recession. We have looked at the evidence coming in from the Fiscal institute of East Anglia and we feel very confident of our position.
So confident that we have banned any discussion on it. The economic science is settled. The Coalition will cause a meltdown.
Stories today about a rise in GDP of 0.8%, posted by cranks like the Office of National Statistics and Double Dip-Deniers such as the Bank of England MPC, are just the rantings of angry ill informed, internet basement, keyboard bashers and should be ignored..
Your BBC.
Making facts fit our agenda since 1931.
Good time to set fire to Broadcasting House I think
Fire-fighters are closet arsonists at heart.
Jermaine Defoe walks into a bar and walks right up to a woman sitting at the counter.
“Get your coat. You’re coming back to my place now.” He says.
The woman replies “Well you’re a little forward!”
I only come on Friday.
Standard and Poor’s upgraded its outlook for the UK’s triple-A credit rating!
RMT general secretary Bob Crow said: “The RMT stands ready and willing to talk, as it has from the start. If we are to make progress, Guido Fawkes must be prepared to talk seriously about the one thing he has so far refused to discuss, and that is the crap political blogging at the heart of this dispute.”
Must be hard to drive a tube train
You sit on a seat, press a button and go round and round a track like some child on a toy train set
If its possible for the USAF to remotely fly drones several thousands of miles away and blw up some wogs wedding party, just why do we need to pay some spacker 45K a year to drive a hornby through the sewers of london?
His wife has probably told him to stfu
“yes dear”
Just what is wrong with volunteer fire brigades or insurance backed brigades?
That is just what the original fire brigades were, Royal sun Alliance for one
A person payed up , placed a plaque upon their door, should a fire break out it was put out and fuck your neighbours unless they lent a hand
I would happily pay good money to see some of the fuckers who live near to me turned into grease
most firemen do fuck all at work and most also have second jobs due to the amount of spare time they have
in some cases running their own companies i.e Building decorating etc
get back to work you lazy bastards !
Spot on
And they complained when some brigades made them spend the night in comfy chairs rather than have a nice kip in bed after supper and tv followed by a full english in the morning
If you live out in the country you have to be your own fire brigade because the boys in brown (a) are too far away (b) can’t find you (c) don’t understand that country lanes are narrow and that making loud noises doesn’t help other drivers who are trying to find a passing place and (d) terrify animals that are already seriously frightened by the fire.
Je suis tres desole. C’etait une plaisanterie.
Jack Drongo is a drongo. Surely no one is surprised at his lack of comment. His keeper, the hideously white harriet hormone obviously has not given permission for him to partake in the debate.
She wants 50 % firewomen. I’ve met a few women who were very hot.
Like the Cops, all on maternity leave or crying if they have to work shifts or week-ends
Questions in the House on this now.
Guy Fawkes Night is a deviant celebration of this country’s introverted and insular past; a stain on our glorious, global, melting-pot future.
Away with it, brothers!
Let enough people fry this year and we can get it banned for good.
Showering and using deodorant is against my religion. Death to cleanliness! Alan cackbar!
It’s very true what you say ‘typical muzzy’. You all appear to be strangers to soap and water. Can smell you lot a mile off.
I’ve just been arrested for spinning an OAP above my head.
I was only trying to see if the swinging sixties were as good as everyone says.
This is wha I like to see! Plenty of strike action! Good on ya, lads! If anyone needs me, I’ll be in me 5 million paahnd mansion.
Guido, I am shocked at your innocence. Labour are so jealous of your blog, they are praying for a fire to remove the competition.
And after what you said about a certain Tory Minister, don’t rely on any hunky firemen rushing to save you any time soon! They are all too terrified it might be misinterpreted.
Harriet and Jack doing a 69. Sorry, no amount of mind bleach can help you.
when we are striking, we would not piss on you if you were on fire
Gordon Brown couldn’t even a decent recession going
Perhaps a few firemens houses might burn down on bonfire night, how would they feel about striking then?
Sack the fuckers and employ people who want to work, better still use the sevice personnel who were going to be made redundant. Firemen with guns sounds great for dealing with the scum who throw bricks at fire engines.
Why isn’t anyone picking up on the piece in today’s Times ‘Secret memo puts labour on back foot’? One sentence makes my flesh creep ‘ We already have the macro argument in people’s heads –that cutting at this pace and scale will hit confidence and destroy jobs etc etc… Shades of 1984! So you’re planting ideas in my head are you, courtesy of the BBC presumably? Oh no you don’t. I’ll do my own gardening, thanks.
With a bit of luck we’ll get rid of a few idiots who put the chip pan on when they’ve spent their benefits in the pub
I am a conservative to my core and have voted for the party for over fifty years.
My son is a london firefighter and for the first time in my life I am siding with the union. The stance of the most obnoxious politician I have ever encountered (Brian Coleman) is nausiating and damaging to the safety and well-being of all Londoners.
If it is in his power, Boris should remove Coleman from his position and bring reason to this incendiary situation. The answer to all disputes is negotiation not confrontation and in this particular situation where no money is involved, it should be comparatively simple to resolve.
If we conservatives wish to earn the trust and support of the electorate, then we must remove such odious creatures as Coleman from positions of authority and replace them with people of integrity and reason.
like bob crowe, jack dromey etc and any other labour politician you care to name.
I am a conservative to my core..
Honestly, why?
The Conservative party follows an ideology every bit as destructive to Britain’s survival as a nation state as Labour and the LibDems. Your party loyalty blinds you to what’s happening right under your nose.
Start thinking beyond the narrow confines of your party and start thinking about this country and the future. Believe it or not, the Conservative party is not Britain, although party tribalists like to think the two are synonymous.
If we conservatives wish to earn the trust and support of the electorate….
Believe me, there is zero chance of that. All three parties will come to be seen as appealing to very narrow, self interest groups, more often than not with agendas hostile to ordinary Britons.
Remember remember the 5th of november, with gunpowder treason and plot.
If a brat lights a match, or rockets the thatch,
Jack Dromey will laugh from his yacht.
We’re millionaires you know, me n Hatty, another glass of champagne any one?
But we do fight on behalf of the poor of course, just like any socialist would.
I wasn’t trying to have a baby but Wayne curled one into the top corner.
But this blogg is ridiculous. Lots of spotty uneducated twaddle on here.
Why don’t you leave it to us oxbridge educated professional newscasters and reporters.
These bloggs really do dumb down politics.
You are better off looking at the beeb, the guardian and our bloggs of course, and one has just won blogger of the year of course too!(with a little help form werek dyatt ofcourse!) but there you have it.
You reaally must leave these incredibly important issues to us who know best.
Love Nick n andy(lest we forget polly too)
Jack Dromey and the rest of the Labour Party cretins masquerading as Members of the Mother of Parliaments are full of shit. That’s why…
John Snow on BBC 4 news, spouting – quote “growth is slowing, is this the lull before the firestorm of cuts, gloom, outbreaks of typhoid, plague stalking the land etc., etc.” Un……………….believable!
This is about contracted services. If someone joined the Fire-service on a set contract, when the contract is broken by the other party, they should be compensated, as is normal in any situation of that kind.
They can then leave the service, compensated for the broken contract and will be free to search for employment as they wish.
Just like any journalist, footballer, banker or solicitor can and would do.
If not, contracts, of any kind, can be subject to change without challenge. If so I will look forward to the day when senior civil servants are told : -
“No money for your pensions tough shit, you’ll get the basic the same as the dustmen. You were working for the EU most of the time anyway Wan*ers “
Or, companies told
“Those PPI – PPP contracts are bollocks, your getting fuck all !”
When the British ran this country, the law was more or less equal for everyone, even contract law.
Do you agree with FBU’s decision to strike? Vote on my new blog johngaltinlondon.blogspot.com!
Why the fuck do we need a fire brigade in the first place, only labour supporting gormles twats are likely to set fire to themselves in a drunken (drugged) stupor, so no loss to decent society.
Spend the money on housing benefit for Brit hating immigrants to live in posh new lab areas, so that they can blow up the war mongering bastards, without disturbing the rest of us working people
What’s this fucking picture about, Jack (the Harriet fucking bitch) is a lady.
I know this for sure, because the ugly bastard was chosen from an all female list, what the fuck is going on?
I would not fuck the Harperson with yours!
A lot more than you, shitforbrains.
More tea Vicar?.
Give it up titfer, you’ve been right royally fucked today.