Clegg : I’m No Leftie
Part of the reason for the current vitriol from the Labour Party towards the LibDems is that they took it for granted that the LibDems were a party of the left. As patronising as it was wrong.
On election night Guido was on ITN with Will Straw, off screen when it became clear there would be no overall majority, we argued for most of the night about what might happen. Straw basically thought Guido was bonkers to believe that a Liberal – Conservative Change Coalition was not only desirable, but that it was really possible. Will could not conceive of it happening, the subsequent widespread shock on the left when it did happen perhaps explains why the Labour Party is so scornful of the LibDems.
Guido always suspected the ex-Cambridge University Conservative Association member and son of a merchant banker might not be so keen on making common cause with Ed Balls and Gordon Brown. The polls might not support this view today, but that collective mis-judgement by Labour may cost them their second party status in the end.
The Party is over.
Long live the party
It’s my party and I’ll cry if I want to
It’s my party and it’ll die if I want it to
CON 37% : LAB 37% : LDEM 15%
Sore subject
It’s my pattie and I’ll fry if I want to
being a member of the wrong party.
Isn’t it just typical. The Bloody Lib Dems can’t even make up their mind about whether they’re left or right……
So the Lib Dems see which way the wind is blowing and make it up as they go along? And Guido falls for this??????
You would cry too if it happened to you.
Oh they’re lefties alright. They have been since Jo Grimmond took over the leadership in the 1960′s. Cleggie and his handful of Orange Bookers are about as representative of the bulk of the party as Blair was of the socialists.
bye bye Vince
bye bye centre left MPs
hello oblivion
BWAAAAHAAAAHHHAAAAAA !!!!!
YouGov Poll Today – Liberal Democrats 12%
BWAAAAAAAHAAAAAHHHAAAAAAAAAAAHAAHAAHAHA !!!!!!!!!
Er, that would actually mean something if there was an election in the offing. Choke on that for the next 5 years, twat.
Ha ha indeed, it will be even less by then!
So will Labours substantial advantage in the way constituencies are rigged at the moment. Suck on that knobhead.
If they had 15% before the election, that means 20% of liberals were leftie, and the rest are right
It is odd where we draw the line with liberals, at least lib dem voters are generally honestly voting with their morals. By this I mean public sector and northerners vote labour for money, and tories vote for lower taxes. Voting Lib dem at least means you’re not trying to make money
“there will be no hung parliament!!!”
“cameron will get a majority of over 100!!!!”
Thank christ the damp rag didn’t.
cameroon will never be pm!
the polls never said cameron wouldn’t be PM you dumb fuck
just that he wouldn’t win a majority
the polls right and you were wrong
so piss off moron
The Whitehall Party is nearly over. What unites grass roots Libdems and Tories activists is that they actually believe in localism – rule from town hall rather than Whitehall. They hate cosy deals between lobbyists, civil servants and greasy pole-climbers to tell them what is right for them even most than they dislike each other.
My enemies enemy is my friend.
That is a problem for minister and would-be ministers who rely on the latter to help keep the press off their back. It is also a problem for the media whose focus on Wesminster gossip and national campaigns to sell advertising space helps drive the process.
Has the Internet age changed anything?
Not if Guido’s readership figures are to be believed.
The yellow bile between Libdems and Labour could be the natural cement for building a lasting Con-Dem coalition – save that the Government is bankrupt and in the short terms has to work with and through the control freaks of Whitehall, Wesminster and Wapping and a whole army of media cronies, lobbyists and consultants to survive in the foreigh exchange markets.
Clegg and Cameron have already said they will fight the next election separately and Clegg said in that article he’ll happily do a deal with Labour next time to form a coalition with them after the next election
does anyone seriously doubt he would have done a deal with Labour in May to be in power with them had the numbers been different ?
It would have been a hell of a lot easier for the party to do a deal with labour if the numbers had been different. Nick is more of a natural tory than a labour, but a lot of his party are not.
In fact a load of them would rather be in opposition than in Government with the tories and would have been happier to keep the poor-hating, banker-loving economic incompetent war-criminals in labour in power.
But the numbers were not different, the UK was facing a fresh MASSIVE financial crisis and needed swift action and a stable government within days of the election, or the international markets would have crucified this country.
Nick made the right decision for that time, and by so doing has destroyed the Liberal Democrats as an independent force in politics.
we’ll take that as a “yes he would have done a deal with them” then
“Nick made the right decision for that time, and by so doing has destroyed the Liberal Democrats as an independent force in politics.”
I do so hope so.
It does make one wonder whether the ‘international markets’ should have such a power to “crucify this country”.
The financial markets seem to bear an uncanny resemblance at times to the Suns Dreamteam fantasy football league.
Clegg is for sale, he will join any one, even BNP if he could get a cabinet post.
LD should bring a confidence vote on his leadership, in their party conference.
Guido does not embrace the IT age, no facebook for one.
Facebook is old hat now boyo.
And Guido is over seventeen too
Old Holborn is building a huge following on facebook, he understands it and will benefit come his next stand for election.
didn’t he get his arse handed to him the last time he tried that ?
If all he has to count on are Facebookers I’m not surprised his last attempt tanked.
They’re all furious closed-curtain bedroom wankers.
Lib Dems have finished their real journey — a hung parliament, balance of power, voting reform. A lot of people originally supported them as a single issue ‘PR’ party.
If they want to continue to exist they must replace labour as the ‘other’ party.
The whole of labours record needs to be trashed (hardly difficult) – the conservatives won’t do it they prefer a lab opposition to libdem.
Its up to the lib dems.
then there is no future for them
they will cease to exist as anything other than a fringe rump of tory wannabees
can anyone seriously see Conservative voters preferring to vote for the Lib Dems over the Conservatives ?
not today, not tomorrow, not in five years, not in ten years
no, no, no, no, no
tories will all be dying to vote for the liberals instead of the conservative party
like fuck they will
Being traitorous to old T*ories will not be forgiven by them, they are once bitten twice shy for ever.
Clegg – he’s a True Blue Tory – probably an Associate Member of the Bullingdon Club – he is no commie
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Liberal Democrat Leader Nick Clegg gives his keynote speech at his party’s spring conference at the Echo arena in Liverpool Liberal Democrat Leader Nick Clegg gives his keynote speech at his party’s spring conference at the Echo arena in Liverpool. Photograph: Peter Byrne/PA
Nick Clegg cannot be accused of forgetting his promise to make British political life as “open and accessible” as possible. In an unusually candid interview, the Liberal Democrat leader reveals that he has slept with as many as 30 women and considers himself a competent lover, but admits he has received the odd complaint.
Clegg, who described himself as “a liberal by temperament, by instinct and by upbringing” after winning the Lib Dem leadership last year, unburdened himself to Piers Morgan in the magazine GQ.
Pressed on the number of women he had slept with – “How many are we talking: 10, 20, 30?” – Clegg replied: “No more than 30 … it’s a lot less than that.”
Not all on the same day as with William Hague?
What stunning insight!
That a Blair clone would do and say anything and do a deal with anyone willing to get him into power and then sell out his own Party and Priinciples just to keep him there.
Rubbish! Extra pongy rubbish. I have no idea at all why NuLabour or Old Labour ever believed Liberals or their current manifestation of Lib Dems are any kind of socialist party. Why the surprise at the current coalition? Diamond Dave is at heart a liberal Conservative and not a Tory backwoodsman. Liberal… the clue is in the name. Labour is a central control, top down, ‘planned’ economy, high tax party and the liberals are the reverse. If they had propped up a rejected, tired has-been of a Labour government in coalition instead they truly would have been finished. Time will tell.
Nope.Just unwilling to get into bed with a bunch of retarded crypto commies, deficit deniers and terminally incompetent swivel eyed fools.
nope. he would have happily done a deal with Labour if the numbers were different
for proof see the hilarious vitriol aimed at the Liberals on this blog when for a small amount of time that looked possible during the negotiations
Yep, a coalition with Labour is very progressive, that is if you consider progressive to be spending the futures of tomorrows children and turning Britain in a a remake of 1970′s East Germany.Sorry but the Liberals have much more in common with the Tories-freedom-free enterprise-personal autonomy-responsibility-social mobility-education-an uncentralised state.Sorry buddy but Liberalism and Conservatism have joined to free us from your lots destruction (sorry socialism).Bye you won’t be missed.
by which you mean you know Clegg would happily have done a deal with Labour but you simply don’t have the fucking guts to admit it
everyone knows he would have so don’t worry about your weaseling evasion
and why are the tories on level pegging with the labour while the libs are tanking on 12% ? sorry, but you’re just full of shit and windy rhetoric
Who the fuck is in government for the next five years, windy?
two fuckwitted blair clones and you’re the poodling lickspittle twat cheering them on
Anyone else feeling to egg the Popemobile?
Headlines could be “Eggs Benedict”.
I’d give my right testicle to have both testicles again.
Maybe you could ask Ed Balls for one of his!
You would have to ask his wife for them.
you had some but your going to get them kicked to mush this coming winter .
A lot of us out here would like to see the LibDems knock failedlabour into third place. Unfortunately the polls don’t indicate that that’s a possibility, at least not yet. I just don’t understand why they’re not getting better ratings.
The Coalition is proving quite popular across the country so why aren’t the LibDems getting some of the credit for that in the polls?
you don’t understand becuase you’re thick dear
are you going to vote for the liberals ? are any conservatives you know ?
understand now ?
it’s not that complicated =
If you have a point to make may I suggest you do it in a gentlemanly manner
as she won’t twot you but I will !
hows about you go take a flying fuck to yourself biggles ?
she reposts the same dull cheerleading bullshit day after day
if the coalition really were popular with the public labour wouldn’t be neck and neck with the tories and the lib dums wouldn’t be heading inexorably towards single figures
Poor baby. What you need is a degree in politics and economics and a questioning mind.
It would at least help you with your poor grasp of english and your inability to debate in depth.
Oh sorry you are damian, willstraw or prezza aren’t you? My comment’s unfair I am asking too much of you!!
what you need is to take your head out of Cameron’s arse and stop talking rubbish you poor clueless lickspitte
your frankly amteurish attempt at insults reflects you’re complete inability to do anything other than copy your hero damien who you emulate in that post by smearing someone who has never voted labour and never will
it is a measure of your bumbling stupidity that you are so witless and lacking in self awareness that you can’t even see how your own post contradicts itself and offers no reply to the hard facts of the polling numbers or answer the question
will you vote for the Lib Dems ?
but please continue making a fool of yourself
if nothing else you are a cautionary example of what happens when you try to educate someone with the IQ of a turnip
So wrong you are, so wrong Mr/Ms/Mrs/Ms simplistic. Nell is far more on the button. Sharpen up love!
so you’re going to vote for the Liberals now are you?
then shut the fuck up you stupid twat
Forgive me for bringing this up (as the Bishop said to the Actress), old chap, but I do wonder whether coarse language is really appropriate here – and at this time of day. Often coarse bluster is used merely to disguise lack of real argument.
I’m sure you have a point to make: why not calm down and make it?
the point’s been made
perhaps the sight of an expletive upset your delicate sensibilities so much that you just can’t grasp it ?
Because the Tories will get all the credit and the Lib Dems will disappear into a black hole at the next election. It’s just the way things will work out, unfair possibly, but it will happen.
Bloody hell, still in moderation. Was it hole?
Was it b****?
Guido hits the weed and a wave of paranoia comes over him. Then a word suddenly has new meaning, dark and dangerous to him. He then adds it to the mod list.
Hello Hunter S Thompson
hello Hunter , how you doing.
Was it Lib Dems?
Was it b**** hole combined?
Too many monikers?
Dats taboo.
Just sign on as Anonymous and post any old shite you want.
Nah… Don’t believe it. They will cure a humoungous attack of Millibanditis.
because the lib dems are (where) composed of centre right orange bookers and centre left social democrats. power has exposed the internal contradiction to those within the party.
as for attracting right wing votes – will you vote for them?
If you mix orange with blue what colour do you get?, its a shitty one, perhaps orange and red would be better
Those of us who hope for eternal rule by the economic/social liberal wing of the Tory party, hope that Labour and the Lib-Dems end up on about the same 20-25% of support.
That way the split of the “left-wing” vote, whether it is the softy-leftie Lib-Dems or the more hard left Labour, will allow Tory candidates to win in many more places and take sensible majorities at pretty much all elections.
Two party politcs lets Labour in occassionally. We come back and then the left gang up on us to inflict a massive defeat like ’97, from which we take a decade to recover, while Labour mess up royally. After the last thirteen years, that is something we cannot allow to happen again, it is just too dangerous.
I hope to see the Lib-Dems back at 20% before long and Labour back down to 25%. Then we can have an election and marmelize the pair of ‘em!
Of course he’s not leftie he’s a fucking smarmy millionaire who’d suck on Camerons member to stay in any sort of power. Judas in a smart suit.
he’s a Blair clone
what the fuck do you expect ?
CLS
Rebooting…
RUN Blair 3.0.EXE
Ah well, David Miliband will try to carry the flag of the left for the underprivileged and those unable to climb stairs!
Unbelievable, but the guy still seems tied to the Brown ideas of spend, spend, spend.
It’s not that unbelievable. He knows that message makes him popular among the Labour ‘grass roots’ plebs as well as the twats who write for and read the Grauniad.
He knows it’s a bonkers message. This demonstrates how two-faced he is. He goes down well in Labour circles for this too.
I go down well in labour circles, too
Did you predict the Condem coalition in these pages? I don’t remember that …
then you weren’t paying attention
he didn’t predict it
he flagged it up as a possibility which it always was if the numbers favoured it
and they did
if the numbers had favoured a Lib-Lab coaltion then Clegg would have done that
I know a weirdy beardie that now has a serious angry face down to Nicky.
lay off the drugs tat
Ed Balls has no time for off the record briefings against party colleagues……hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha
Oh well David Miliband will carry on carrying the red flag for the underprivileged and those unable to manage the stairs!
Stupid bugger.
a documentary about them is on next week. channel4 I think.
Still in mod, G? Was it ‘Do’?
no but it was do-do
Guido
Good analysis and sound analysis by Clegg
The real point here IMHO goes far deeper than both however
The “Left” no longer has any reasoin to exist except as a movement foor cushy jobs for a minority who want to benefit from the taxation of the majority
The whole of Europe is moving right (not to speak of Asia and elswehere)
Why ?
Because the “left” have had a hundred odd years and have made an appaling mess wherever they have had real power
The ONLY SOLUTIONS that exist, are those coming from the Centre and the Right…
Such as more freedom to create, finance and manage schools and medical services
Privatisation of almost eveything
And a DRASTIC REDUCTION in the level of State intervention and the number of State paid scroungers…
By arrogance (as you say), the “Left” cannot imagine a world without them
But we are moving towards that reality…depite the “crisi” of capitalism !
The real debate is now between the centre and the right…thank God !
so when is Cameron privatising the NHS ?
try the 22nd of never
or BBC
Given the appalling bias of the BBC and the threatened strikes thius merely confirms my point…
I have said for years that the BBC should be broken up and sold off (using the private equity poys that Gordon Bbrown so amply used if you see what I mean ?!)
Good comment
Proves what I am saying
Cameron is behind the curve…
Clegg is probably nearer the curve…
Curves and coming quickly and sharply now…
Watch (Gudio) and tthis space…
PS Is any political party seriously going into the next election saying they want to indebt our children EVEN MORE ??!
Who is Damian McBride ?
I have never heard of him…
That’s becuse you know him as Mr McBride, Damian is unknown to you or your boy-wife.
Reasonable analysis until the Labour might lose 2nd party status conclusion.
Why? All the immigrants, Muslims, equality public services social worker teachers trade union human rights benefits brigade are going to start voting for the Lib Dems after they slash their ‘entitlements’ are they?
No, this coalition will return the Lib Dems to under 10% electoral results and return us to genuine 2 party politics.
They are finished as a party.
The “Left” have no reason to exist anymore
Thay have messed up (or committed amss murder) wherever they have had real power
The future is with the Centre and the Right throughout Europe (and elswehere) now…
Bollocks. The future lies in people taking control of their lives again and refusing to be taxed, intimidated and ignored.
In any objective examination of Labour’s record in government, their failings are glaring and substantial. If that is the politics of the left in operation, it clearly fails, and Clegg is sensible in distancing his party from the extreme left.
However, as Charles Moore points out in his Telegraph comment piece, the Coalition isn’t really hammering the previous government’s record hard enough. Given Labour’s skills with spin and distortions of the truth (and the apparent willing complicity of the BBC), there is a danger that they could gain ground in a PR battle, despite the self-evident wrongness of their arguments.
More critical examination of Labour’s record, loudly and often, is needed – the public will then begin to see that the Liberal party have taken a hard road, but a correct one for the good of the country, in forming a coalition with the Conservatives.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/comment/columnists/charlesmoore/8009534/The-Coalition-is-right-about-cuts-but-it-has-some-explaining-to-do.html
Blair won three elections on a row
were you asleep at the time ?
No but the Country evidently was !
Too right! That’s why I fucked off before the coach ran off the cliff edge.
No but the Tory Party evidently was !
Did you read what I wrote? Labour told lies – it’s what they do. They deceived the electorate, and they are still trying to deceive the electorate. They have to be shown up as the liars they are.
Shocking!
you can’t fight an election by pretending you aren’t in charge
ask Obama how blaming Bush for the shit he inherited from him is going down with the US electorate at the midterms ?
come the next election it’s the economy stupid and what have you done for me lately
as usual
Cameron is PM RIGHT NOW because Brown was rightly blamed for fucking the economy along with the Bankers
If Cameron didn’t want the job as PM for the next five years he shouldn’t have campaigned for it because he won’t win it in five years time by simply blaming Brown again and you’re living in a dream world if you think he can or even will
Think you’ve rather missed the point. Try reading Charles Moore’s article.
The point is that Labour is trying to re-write history now – they’re telling lies again. That needs to be countered by rather more active Coalition PR now; forget the next election, that’s a long way off.
No but the Conservative Party evidently was !
With US money and the fucking CIA
Engineer
Damn right
Tripling national debt so that our children have to pay is the most regreesive social policy you can have…
And I have said here that No 10″s communication operation on this is lamentable…
Appalling…fire Coulson and get someone someone in with the talent and balls FFS
Or is no 10 suicidal ?
And suicidal for Britain at the same time ?
I suspect that the current government is trying to be a counterpoint to the last lot by quite deliberately not governing by press release. Perfectly laudable, except that Labour are getting away with re-writing history and telling lies. That needs to be countered aggressively, for the good of the country. The truth must not be obscured by opposition spin.
You may be right about Coulson – he’s been the story rather than setting the story. I quite like the quiet, stay in the background approach, but he still has to pull the strings, and it appears that he isn’t pulling them hard enough.
The leftie zombies are such good entertainment aren’t they
Everything which has gone wrong with our economy is the fault of someone else, bankers, Tories, corrupt capitalists etc etc.
Obviously they know the real issue is catastrophic overspending, but while they have a huge client state devoted to them they will tell any lie to avoid taking the blame for Britain’s economic crisis.
Rising interest rates wont affect Comrade Crow and his Union Baron chums, Polly Toynbee and her property portfolio, the left wing firebrand and servant of capitalist Talk Sport radio George Galloway, but they will bring misery to the people the left pretend to care about.
Having said that the left do preach to an electorate so stupid they would vote Labour if a rabid monkey was wearing the rosette, so why shouldn’t they lie?
God save asrsholes
Labour doesn’t love the working class, it dosen’t even like the working class, it only likes the idea of the working class.
I don’t like the working class, either.
Which is I’m never seen in my constituency until election time!
Ker-ching!!!!
I don’t know about rabid monkeys, but I got voted in again- and I do sweet FA for my constituents!
Isn’t life great? It certainly is for me!
Ker-ching!!!!
Could Cherie Blair explain to us how her ventures into the New age age hocus pocus as practiced by the vaccuous Fraud known as Carlole Caplin squares with her “deeply Held” Catholic Beliefs ?
Cos I’m bonkers.
They dont have any “deeply held” beliefs its all just tribalism, pure and simple.
I’d have said the two belief systems are not too far apart myself: both vaccuous and fraudulent, and full of hocus pocus only Carole Caplin has fewer deluded adherents than the Pope and trad religion in general.
I’d rather shag Carole Caplin that the Pope though.
Obviously one side of her mouth doesn’t know what the other side is talking about. I should know.
electoral oblivion
To Guido and all his mongs.
Oh joy look whos been nicked. I hope he gets one of those crazy yank sentences like a 199 yeras
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/celebritynews/8010583/Russell-Brand-arrested-at-LA-airport.html
The USA likes to give its celebrities rehab.
But so do we. Like a boxer caught doing something bad who suddenly decides, days before publication and on the advice of PR experts, to check into rehab and ‘get himself together’.
Brand can check in for any number of reasons and get his sympathy in first.
Hope the cameraman has a “neck ” injury and sues him for a million.
Fair play to Brand, i’m glad he lumped that up-skirter. But then again i’d be a hypocrite if i said i didn’t want to see the picture he took of Katie’s goop chute.
I guessed you’d be a Brand liker.
I wrote ‘fair play to Brand’, because of the action he took.
Doesn’t mean i like him, you assumptive fucking mug!
Do jog on, peenarse!
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1312995/Judges-attack-Eastern-European-crime-gangs-flooding-Britain.html
They are moving in on the Liverpool club and drug scene, expect some serious gang gun fights in the not too distant future. They will be fucked off, as the Krays were.
Sarkozy the bastards.
Shite (old)
I concur.
The LibDems will emerge stronger and more electable by the end of this Government.
After 5 years the economy should be “fixed” and the LibDems will be viewed as loyal and effective partners.
The Conservatives will have to watch, but Labour will only have to look on in bewilderment.
Viewing the best candidates labour can offer on QT thursday night only underlined my view that the party is over.
If the TUC embark on nation-bursting strikes, supported by the remnannts of the past government then the demise of both will be faster and more effective than either of them dare imagine.
so you’re going to vote for them ?
thought not
I think Clegg has his head screwed on. The Left have ruined this country. Pity, Cable and Hughes have their heads well and truly stuck in the clouds. They should defect to Labour and good riddance to them if they do.
“En Route to Indy’s Woodstock Literary Festival, they say Richard Dawkins is speaking. I won’t really believe he exists until I meet him.” GF
If he is a true skeptic, Dawkins will not even believe that he exists himself…
Actually, I don’t believe this comment exists, nor the one above it.
I do not believe Guido is pissed at Blenheim Palace at the moment only because he does not exist and, moreover, never has done.
o/t
this made me laugh and i dont even have a tv! turn it off! it is shit!
it is propaganda and you will not miss it.use the time to get fit,read a book,learn an instrument etc……and deprive the arrogant fuckwits at the bbc the fat salaries and pensions YOU are paying for……..if they are so effing great then they will survive as a public company (chortle,chortle)
Bravo!
At some time in the future, when we have all your locations tied to your phone and ID we will sell it to the state.
http://foursquare.com/
The state won’t buy – they already have that data, many times over. Keep losing it, too.
Hope they cut the pension they are paying ex-civil servants as well. What about MPs pension!
Your all small fish.
Jimi hendrix last interview.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/culture/music/music-news/8007124/Jimi-Hendrixs-last-interview.html
lol
There are two Lib-Dem parties, the northern one which is left wing but not as left as Labour, and the Southern one which is right wing but not as right as the Tories. This has to be to get elected.
Labour activists at local Council level see the Northern Party as they are mostly in the north, Tory activists see the Southern Party as they are mostly in the south.
This is why in Parliment everybody is confused as to what the Lib Dems stand for, not least the Lib Dem MPs themselves.
If mrs dale can have a LBC slot why can’t we with Guido on one.
Who in their right mind would want to work in an office stuffed with arse bandits and egomaniacs?
Labour are fucked and they know it.
Yep,their demise will be in slow motion.Watch the polls start to fall for them terminally from 2014.They are totally screwd.Absolutely fucked.They just don’t realise it yet.
NO LIE IS TOO BIG BROTHER COMRADES, THE CAUSED MUST BE SAVED AT ALL COST, GO FORTH AND LIE FOR THE CAUSE! WE SHALL RAISE THE RED FLAG AGAIN!
I’M GAY
And your point is?
THE LEFTWING IS THE NATURAL POLITICS FOR THE GAY IN SOCIETY
Really? Yaaaawwwwnnnnnnnnn……………….
“The polls might not support this view today, but that collective mis-judgement by Labour may cost them their second party status in the end.”
On the contrary, the polls seem to indicate that status is in imminent danger.
Isn’t that only to be expected with a current combo of shooting the messenger and absence making the heart grow fonder?
And who would be the party of the poor? Not the limpdicks.
……. or it may not.
If Labour had had the collective nerve to stop Brown becoming PM in 2007 or if Miliband had actually resigned from the Cabinet when Purnell did thereby forcing a leadership contest or if Labour had gone into the 2010 election with a more electable leader than Brown they might just have retained power or in the event of the situation we had in May would have possibly been able to strike a deal with the LibDems. And we would probably be looking at a Lab/Lib-Dem Coalition rather than a Con/Lib-Dem one
But there was never any possibility of the LibDems going into coalition with a Labour Party led by Brown. After the election certain people at the top of Labour knew that and knew that they had to maneuouvre Brown,who was in total denial as to the political reality but as sitting PM effectively controlled the game into firstly standing down as party leader and then making sure any negotiations with the LibDems failed thus effectively giving Brown little option but to quit.
Exacatly the thick fuckers are trying to blame the public and everyone else they can find for their lack of a spine. They can’t accept the doomed themselves with their own hands.
Everyone told them to ditch Brown but they where to busy pissing their pants in fear of getting trolled by the No 10 amateurs…oh woopedy doo.
All they had to do was prop up Milliband or someone…fucking anyone else instead of failed Chancellor Brown in the middle of one of the worse financial crisis of all times and they could of still been in power.
Thick fuckers.
It was almost as if they where the Captain on the Titanic, saw the iceberg and decided to crash in to it full steam for the lulz.
Still it was all for the best in the end
I’m a piers (I think)
Agreed – he displayed a complete absence of political skill by leaving Purnell hanging out to dry (as well as making himself look an utter tit). He now has 5 years to regret his weakness and duplicity. Wonderful!
I am not a socialist, I am a free man!
Ooh ‘ello, free you say?
I’m always up for a number 2.
I’m free!!
No you’re not you had 7 minutes to go…
Libdem voters have discovered that they unexpectedly voted for a governing party.Roughly 6%have now voted with their feet.Come the next election, Labour will be bankrupt, and a number of Labour supporters may vote Libdem,with the possible consequence that the Libdem and Conservative share of the vote both go up.That is the slippery slope for Labour,a vote for them becomes a vote for a party permanently in opposition(cf.65 years, the Liberals).Clegg may ultimately lead the second largest party as part of Labour defects to him(cf. SDP),and thus precepitate an election during the next government.The band wagon effect COULD ultimately put Clegg in No 10, and leave the M bros, Balls ,Harman,etc.asl long forgotten foot soldiers of the worst government sine Lord North.
Steadily since the election the Lib rhetoric has calmed down to the realities of government ( apart of course from hughes who is always tommy fucking opposite and likes the publicity )….Clegg is not stupid and given the prospect of brown as leader went through the motions of a conversation with labour but in his heart he must have realised the lib destiny was conservative bound.
His mistake will come if he espouses a willingness to collaborate with labour next time as the silent conservative heartland will interpret that as far too self serving and he and his party could drift into fatal long term decline.
Safe to say having one’s feet under the government table changes attitudes and the thought of obscurity again should galvanise many libs to keep their mouths shut.
Given enough time the new labour leader and unions will finish the labour cause off.
Except that Zanu will be led by a time serving Mossad employee who will do anything in Britain to gain support (right of left) on condition that the “British” Government supports Israel…
So a Milli will do a deal…
Sell Primorise Hill, if necessary (to be polite)
And Nick could, just, get them to the follow Orange Book policies…
Remember Saint Tone ?!
Quite right Jack
On past performance the Milis have no principles
So with them anything is possible..to the right of left..they don’t care…
And the irrelevant Labour dogs will jts follow…
Fair comments but the coalition supports the Israelis and how influential they are here in voting terms is debatable as I would have thought more tend to vote conservative than labour these days.
As to the millibands quite agree the pair are jerks who would change tack to suit any prevailing wind particularly their own.
miligump and miligeek have principles.
They know exactly how to maximise their personal family wealth and stop the inheritance tax police from getting it.
That’s a principle – its called ‘ look after your own never, mind the wider good’
Exactly what you’d expect from troughing labourites!!
Vince was always a fraud…
He just entered politice for his 15 minutes of fame…
Now it’s a bit difficult because Clegg has forced him to be responsible..
So he will always try and give himself leftie credentials by causing immigration problems…
He willl probably now want illegal camps of illegal squatters called Roms in Britain…
That would show how “with it” he is….
Well that sort of thing was in the LibDem election manifesto.
VINCE CABLE
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He is about as useful as a chocolate fireguard
Vince Cable was chucked out of Shell for achieving the almost impossible in nearly bankrupting them.
Strange how other European countries seem to get on OK without our huge levels of immigration. Cable is a handwringing, old woman.
I wish some nutters would kidnap the pope, cut his fucking head off with a blunt knife, film it and upload it to a gore website.
I’d have that as my screensaver.
Be better if it was Gordon Brown
My puters set to block pope ups
(chortle)
How about seeing a psychologist instead of posting here. From the tone of your comment it appears you are of school age. Your school can help you find a number for the local mental health services.
You’ve got a problem.
Grow up.
Go fuck yourself ‘anonymous’.
I suggest you see a shrink. You appear to have rather disturbing issues.
I suggest you see a professional about your obvious mental health issues.
My mental health issues are the product of hateful indoctrination, who the fuck are you anyway, anonyc*nt?
If i want to be bitter about the fucking pope and rant about it here, i fucking will, if you don’t like it fuck off.
Now, run along, i’ve got a lovely bit of haze which i intend to chug, cos wanky jizzlickers like you will only spoil my buzz.
Oh dear oh dear. Anger management issues too.
Labour, vile people, vile party, vile policies!
I think apart from our tone, they have never had a leader who is charismatic have they? Just look at foot, kinnochio, brown and wilson. Chicago gangsters would have been more acceptable wouldn’t they?
Sunny Jim was a reasonably decent man. And, of course, John Smith would have made a good PM if the Good Lord had not seen fit to cut his life short.
Now in 2010 labour is not only faced with a choice between five very humdrum grey indifferent candidates , who haven’t got a hope in hell of winning an election .
But they also lack an electoral clientele to which they can appeal.
Yes they have the Unions. But they have lost 50% of their membership in the last 15 years.
Yes they have the benefit classes that they have expanded in the hope of keeping them in power – but less than 20% of them stir themselves to votes.
Yes they have immigration which they also boosted in the hope of keeping them in power but there is a fair proportion of them that have aspirations that labour consider above their station – ie they want a proper education for their children and many of them are going into business and small businesses to earn their own living. Labour doesn’t approve of that!! It wants dependents- not independents!!
Yes they have created a massive pubic service sector. Unfortunately, not all of them support the unions or labour. I know what I’m talking about because I too was one of them. Just because you work in the public sector doesn’t make you labour!!
Mrs Left Footer is a frontline worker in the NHS and hates Labour with a passion.
**STOP PRESS**
Anna Nottingham has cum for the 9th time this pm
Might have a punt on the round dozen before clocking off.
Botting! ( fuggin’ predictive text).
LibDem Conference upon us. And the LibDems are split .
There are those who realise that cleggie has taken the river at flood and put them into a position of power.
Then there are those who think they might be seduced by edmilibrown who is saying, ‘put your trust in me and I will bring this Coalition down before 2015′
Apparently Hughes, Cable and MingCampbell are edmiligump’s most loyal libdem supporters!! Bless!!
Of course, in the next election, at which edmiligump expects to be leader of the labour party , the failed, troughing, left wing of politics that labour and the oldies in the LibDem Party represent, might find themselves completely trounced and david cameron might have a decent majority.
Where will that leave cable, hughes and ming campbell then??
ming should actively pursue the suggestion that he clear off to Australia as the UK Ambassador. It will nicely round off his career as a politician before he finally retires.
If Labour support had slumped the CoGo might fall apart. But faced with a resurgent Labour vote, an electoral alliance, pact or merger becomes inevitable.
Once the Constituencies are equalised, and voter ID is tightened up, Labour will be struggling to win power again.
Why would the Lib Dems throw away power?
They won’t.
I am tired of Liebour idiots crowing when Liberal minister does something that he admits is against his beliefs put what was in the “agreement.” As if some lefty-lefty nut case Liebour bod hasn’t toed the party line when being a minister.
I am tired of the Al Beeb making out the Catholicism is a dying sect because the total regular congregation on a Sunday is somewhere between 800k to 900k. If these “Catholic Activists” are a minority what does it say about the membership of the three main political parties that counted together don’t come near 800k? I say this as a good Protestant boy.
Thank heavens for Ed Miliband
Ed Miliband went further than most with a remarkable outburst against the deputy prime minister.
“Nick Clegg has taken the Lib Dems in a direction that they may never recover from,” Ed Miliband said.
“Nick Clegg has sold out to the Tories, and I will lead a Labour party that makes sure he is punished at the ballot box for it.”
ner ner ner ner ner
If edmiligump = ‘the leftie brown clone’ wins labour’s leadership election, I suspect he will take labour ‘ in a direction from which they will struggle to recover’
Charismatic he isn’t. I hope he wins!!
Me too, nell, me too; even though his ugly mush is the one of the two little shits that sickens me the most, and if he did win it would be his that I’d have to see the most, I still would like him to win as it would be a glorious own goal.
both milibands are blairites through and through
balls is the brownite as anyone with even a cursory knowledge of politics knows
I throw de bones and de bones say labour gwanna win de next election in march 2011.
I hear you haf a problem vif ze jeepsies. Ven I vas in ze Hitler Youth ve had many discussion groups and came up vif some very intersesting solutions.
Yes Guido, but that son of a mer chant b anker and ex cambridge uni conservative association member presides over a bunch of hand-wringing lefties and ex-labourites whose tribal instincts are to “hold their noses” in the presence of conservatives, while licking the arses of their m arxist labour chums behind the scenes.
For instance, Vincent, the fallen angel of St Cable, is remember, a former glasgow labour councillor. You don’t get to represent the labour voters of the glasge’ without having some pretty firm left wing views. Of course people can change their views. Leopards can also change their spots…
So whilst the Cleggster may be enjoying a love-in with Cammo, there are many lib dems who feel that the coalition is some sort of faustian pact, and don’t be surprised if in the end it proves too much for the more leftist, so-wet-you-could-shoot-snipe-off -their-backs, museli crunching beard stroking libbie-labourites among them.
(Some innocuous words altered to try to avoid modding!)
Can anyone please publish a list of banned/modded words? I am struggling to post even the most innocuous of ramblings….
Nice one
It really is getting rather crap.
This should get m*dded, Ratsniffer:
Billy Hague has got a 10″ cock and Mark Serwotka fucks small dogs.
If this gets on the thread i’ll be very fucking surprised.
Wtf!
not part of the auto mod.
B*ankrupt, something Guido had.
D*riving, a ban Guido got,starting to see a pattern?
it’s fucking annoying when all the loonie tunes can post their conspiracy theories about narzi joo z ruling the world etc but i can’t post an on-topic post about clegg, cable etc…
If your assumption are correct Guido, the Labour Party can only go the way of Scargill’s Socialist Labour Party…
Scargill, like the Left in general will never ever change, no matter how they are dressed up. Apart from the comb-overs, that is.
If your assumptions are correct Guido, the Labour Party can only go the way of Scargill’s Socialist Labour Party…
Scargill, like the Left in general will never ever change, no matter how they are dressed up. Apart from the comb-over, that is.
Did you ever know that you’re my hero,
and everything I would like to be?
I can fly higher than an eagle,
’cause you are the wind beneath my wings.
2 CHEEKS OF THE SAME ARSE.
Wait for the Labour conference, there could be defections from LD to Labour.
Deep joy, moving the deckchairs is just what is needed.
How do i know any of you exist and i’m not just talking to constructs created by myself over and over?
Gordon, lay off the fizzy orange.
Or, if we’re all only figments of your imagination, resconstruct Fawkes in a tutu and diving flippers.
That’ll learn him not to go mooching around Liberal weirdoes.
OT
You would think that the job of any UK politician was to do what is right for the country.
But listen to Ed Balls at around 40s
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/question_time/9008605.stm
‘We shouldn’t be doing the coalition’s job for them.’
Errr. Ed – the coalitions job is to clear up your fucking mess.
Ed Balls doesn’t give a shit about being honest. Or doing the right thing. He just wants to get his feet back under the table and get back to idiotting away all our cash.
Condemned by his own words.
THE C*U*N*T.
I’d like to get his feet under my ride-on lawn mower and chop them off.
An avenging Susie on a mower
Doesn’t quite instill a sense of terror.
I bet your ride-on is the only thing that gives you jiggy jiggy nowadays.
I think you are being a bit harsh on a well meaning man!
have a great file of research papers on maternal and infant health to read, and a speech to finish before I can venture out into Manhattan
http://twitter.com/SarahBrownUK/status/24845218879
You’ve had four fucking months to get that speech written you stupid cow.
Right break out the special brew and let’s have a pish up while the beard is away.
What? Why thev moderation?
When speak why do we make a speech?
Also OT
The picture of ‘Lord Prescott’ at the bottom of the BBC Home Page at the moment looks just like Uncle Fester off the Addams family.
All he needs is a lightbulb lit up in his gob.
You’d have an ideal burglar deterent.
Sussex Police are asking people to inform on those they consider bad drivers. The “Bad driver” will never know the ID of the informant and no proof of guilt is required. Two secret informants in 12 months and the Police will come knocking on the door.
‘Stasi spies’
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1313095/Big-Brother-fears-motorists-urged-spy-other.html
So why the heck is this post being moderated?
The BBC News channel is a disgrace
Tell me about it.
So when you say Labour will lose its second party status, do you mean it’ll be First Party once again and win three elections in a row?
Not a problem whilst the Tories remain, ‘shackled to a corpse’
Forgotten that the Tories won four in a row have we? tut.
Anything you can do i can do better
The end of a discredited Conservative administration finished with a landslide to Blair’s New Labour project. The end of a discredited New
Labour administration finished with the opposition barely able to limp over the line, and having to cobble together a marriage made in hell in order to grab office. The Lib Dem leadership, drunk on the heady cocktail of wielding power beyond their wildest dreams, have alienated the grass root herbivores who get nothing from Cleggs grandstanding, except a vague promise of becoming eternal T’ory bridesmaids.
Meanwhile, back in Labour land, a new leader will always portray a vision of future optimism rather than looking back in regret, and will receive a bounce in the polls that will be difficult for a less than united in anything other than a hatred for Brown coalition, to manage.
Bring on the destruction.
Come to us libdumbs as labour converts, you know it makes sense.
Fucking Bollocks and you know it, Milliband hasn’t got the spine to put the loony lefties back in their box while presenting a credible vision like King Tony did.
King Tony will go down in history as the best leader you ever had, you’ll never repeat that sucess with these dregs of scum at the bottom of the talent barrel who have now floated to the top.
The Millibands where Blairs tea boys begging to shine his shoes and lick his arse and and thats is all the voter will remember when they see these goons mugs on the tv day in and day out.
Incompetent little tea boys acting the big men now the boss is gone and can’t give them a good fucking clip round the ear.
The next Labour Prime Minister is currently only in their 20′s. So you have a nice decade wait yet.
Stop talking rot Milliband hasn’t got the spine to put the loony lefties back in their box while presenting a credible vision like King Tony did.
King Tony will go down in history as the best leader you ever had, you’ll never repeat that sucess with these dregs of scum at the bottom of the talent cart who have now floated to the top.
The Millibands where Blairs tea boys begging to shine his shoes and lick his arse and and thats is all the voter will remember when they see these goons mugs on the tv day in and day out.
Incompetent little tea boys acting the big men now the boss is gone and can’t give them a good fucking clip round the ear.
The next Labour Prime Minister is currently only in their 20′s. So you have a nice decade wait yet.
Clegg is of course correct. The liberals should rejoice at being in power. Problem being they never ever expected it and with power comes responsibility to actually do the right thing.
They were so used to the easy job of opposing the LabCons and are now finding it hard to be serious. Not all of them though, Nick, Danny and sarah are doing OK. Time to bring back David Laws IMHO, Dave needs to lean on the inquisiton to find him not guilty.
Lord forgive them for voting T*ory they know not what they do.
All lefties are right
Kin L it is almost impossible to post a comment on this Blog without being moderated. What happened to the Libertarian stuff?
It got it’s head kicked in by ad revenues, driven by stats.
It started as a hobby, and progressed into a business.
Never trust a Libertarian where money’s concerned.
Don’t want to upset the sponsors, do we?
Talking about sponsors, how come the adverts on this blog now target my latest google searches?
Is Guido and his commercial backers spying on us?
Are you getting ads for “Sluts R Us” too ?
It died and it’s soul fucked off.
NO WONDER THE GREENS AND J. O . O . S ARE SO KEEN ABOUT GREEN ISSUES:
ROME — Italy Tuesday seized Mafia-linked assets worth $1.9 billion — the biggest mob haul ever — in an operation revealing that the crime group was trying to “go green” by laundering money through alternative energy companies.
They want to get their hands on a share of dirty blood money.
come on Fawkes I want another fucking head.
Fawkes has got religion.
That’s the end of fun then.
Has anyone ever stuck a hover nozzle on their nob successfully before?
Yes, but I did have to purchase an extendible and extra wide one.
What did it feel like? did it hurt?
Will the hoover suck my foreskin off?
Is that you concrete pump?
But isn’t a Blow job supposed to Blow rather than suck?
had dinner last night at Glasshouse Tavern with the great LGBT activist and mighty blogger David Mixner http://www.davidmixner.com/
http://twitter.com/SarahBrownUK/status/24880377871
What on earth is to be moderated in this post?
Why would a devoted married mother of two be dining with a LGBT activist?
So anyone seen the Sunday’s yet?
What a load of shite.
He can say what he likes now. But Clegg would have done a deal with anyone he could find.
He’d already managed to lose ground despite the flash in the pan that was “Cleggmania”. Joining a coalition of any description was a salvage exercise for the party and an ego trip for the man himself. The bounty is being enjoyed by whom else exactly? Certainly not the chief architect of the deal, David Laws.
Before the election people were joking about the Sandalistas. By now, they’ve all defected to the love child of BlOwn, such is the finality of their divorce from reality. The LibDems have existed for years to harbour a passive minority who actually enjoy being in opposition, protected from scrutiny. From such a perspective, Labour looks more attractive than ever.
Clegg will never be invited to office again. Not by Labour. Not by his own party.
The LibDems have already become almost invisible.
All that’s left media-wise are the respective corpses of Cable (whose clairvoyance has now strangely deserted him and who does not seem to know what to do about anything anymore) and poor old Charlie Kennedy, looking like a fat red-faced piss-head on Newsnight Review.
The can be no election for five years.
By 2015, the LibDems will be campaining with what message? We (and the Tories) were right? The Tories (and we) were wrong? Labour has changed? We have no principles?
Poppycock.
Participation in the coalition might actually cost the LibDems their third party status.
Slightly of topic, but there you go!
*off
Yes I digress but what the hell! I’ve just flicked through the Sunday papers. The fooking greedy bastard Murdoch wants you to pay money to view his pathetic rag the Sunday Times, not only that the bastard wants your email address, your name and address and date of birth. He can get fooked the greedy fooker. There are plenty of news reports on the internet without having to pay this fooking twat money to view his bloody newspaper!
I wouldn’t underestimate the old bugger. He already knows what you are saying and I bet he has other stuff up his sleeve. He is looking at ways to really f*** the BBC over so he can get a bigger slice of the pie.
Plus the kind of info he wants (address, email) that so many of us consider sacred is really quite trivial…
2015 is going to be a great result for the tories.
By then, Labour would have steered even further towards the left than it was under Gordon Brown, promising to waste even more money and to get the country bankrupted as quickly as possible.
The libdems, having become effectively invisible/irrelevant as far as the 2010-2015 government goes will lose most of their tory/libdem swing voters to the tories under the attitude of “if the libdems and the tories do the same as each other, then I might as well vote tory to give them a big majority to fuck up labour as much as possible; last time we almost got lumbered with a labour government, this time we’ll make certain we don’t”
If there were any libdem/labour swing voters in 2010, they’ll be gone by 2015, and probably either not vote at all, or vote tory under the attitude “the libdems are no different to the tories, but labour now would be even worse than it was under Gordon Brown.”
By 2015, the only people voting labour will be extreme left-wing union members and the BBC staff, and virtually nobody will be voting libdem. The vast majority of people will, I think, either vote tory, or not vote at all.
So, my prediction for 2015 is that labour will still remain as the second party, but only because the LibDem vote would have been decimated. The vote will be something like this for the overall vote share:
Tory: 55%
Labour: 20%
LibDem: 10%
others: 15%
The unions and the BBC won’t accept a middle-ground labour party which might be capable of actually winning an election; they’ll force labour to go as far left as possible, and whoever they elect as leader will be forced to comply with that.
Even now the BBC is telling everyone that the only way out of the deficit is to borrow more money.
Labour, and the BBC, are both monumentally fucked because they still don’t realise (and never will) that their extreme left wing views are not shared by a viable size of the electorate. Every statement they make just digs them even deeper into a hole, and puts them further into oblivion.
BY 2013 they’ll realise that the only way to win the next election would be to lie to the electorate about their approach and take a more middle-ground view; by that time it’ll be too late; their union members won’t sanction/fund such a view, and the electorate would have permanently written-them off as all being insane lying fuckwits.
What can they do? The only way to win an election would be for all the labour MPs to stand up and say:
”
We bankrupted the country because our ideology simply doesn’t work in the real world.
We allowed a raving lunatic idiot to control and ruin the economy for 13 years because we were too gutless to get rid of him.
We were all too stupid and self-serving to do anything about this at the time.
We’ve now changed our minds and decided that the lefty-ideology is pants and can never work, so now we’re going to adopt tory policies but dress them up to make them look a lot nicer.
”
Nobody in labour is going to do that; Blair did it back in 1997, but nobody remaining in labour will do it now; they simply don’t have the courage to stand up to the unions or the BBC.
Dream on sucker. By 2015 most people will have given up any ‘respect’ they had for the political process.
I’d sooner see civil war than continued adherence to an outdated, top-heavy and patently inequitable system of governance.
That’s hilarious
Never has such moderation been instigated on this site since the poop came to Britain. The sooner he’s gone the better, I’m sick of seeing his peedo excuse of a face in the news. Let’s get back to football etc instead of this sicko’s excuse for fiddling with children. Fook off POOP!
I am confused,as are most of all of you, it seems.
What is politically left? What is politically right?
Does anyone have the slightest idea anymore?
The only terms that mean anything are ones such as good or evil, truth or lies, justice or injustice, freedom or slavery.
Even my 6 year old knows the difference between these things, not so it seems you so called educated idiots out there.
We all know what is right and what is wrong, and we don’t need to be told this by our parents, school teachers, or priests. WE ARE BORN WITH THIS BASIC UNDERSTANDING. Which is why a parent can only make its child bad it cannot make it good, because we are all inherently good at birth.
Evil is the inevitable result of so called CIVILIZATION. Which is a system where a very very few control the lives, deaths, thinking, and therefore destiny of the vast majority.
THEREFORE
We are all living in an inherently EVIL system of control. It is a system that we have historically had absolutely NO control over whatsoever, however many times we put crosses on pieces of paper, enact the establishments contrived revolutions, or fight their highly profitable wars for them.
Our ruling elites care even less for common humanity today them they did when they were sending countless thousands of our finest young men over the top to almost certain death less then 100 years ago.
We are indeed no more then a virus to these people. What is worse (if that were possible) a pointlessly needless virus they have already found a cure for.
you are forgetting Atlas that our ruling eilites sent there own offspring into battle which suggests some past wars may have been more nationalistic in there workings , rather than the workings of cushy city pupet master finaciers .
however i do agree that some countries are run by evil elites although I am hopefull that by booting labour out we solved our version of it.
No they did not.
Please do not confuse the upper classes with our ruling elites, they are not the same thing. The proverbial few in this case ARE VERY VERY few indeed, generally owners of central banks.
Having said that. The ruling class have been murdering each other for thousands of years to help retain their own family status.
Our history books are full of examples where our rulers have sacrificed their own sons/children to help retain their family fortunes. For example Prince William has a half-brother for a reason. Try reading I Claudius.
Oh and BTW.
You are one of the very few who have ventured to reply to one of my post without mentioning David Bullshitter BBC Icke, Tin hats, or reptiles, well done.
The triumph of hope over experience.
The Cameron/Clegg new broom won’t sweep away the Blair/Brown mess.
They’re all heirs to Heath and you don’t get any dirtier than that.
Now, for a larf, can somebody post a doe-eyed endorsement for Dave’s cast-iron guarantees; or the genius of his ring-fencing foreign aid – so that we can all live happily ever after.
Your 6 year old knows the difference between these things because you’ve taught it to him/her.
If you hadn’t taught it to your child then your child would be a sociopath.
There are 2 types of sociopaths:
1) Those like Gordon Brown who simply have part of their brain physically corrupted/missing at birth and so have no ability to empathise with anyone.
2) Most labour voters (who were never taught the idea of personal responsibility, or logic, or reason, or common sense, or morals).
Most people (those who aren’t in category 1) can empathise with people, but if they were never taught morals or personal responsibility then although they *can* empathise with people, they’ll deliberately avoid doing so.
If you haven’t taught your child morals by the time they start primary school, it’s usually too late. Such brain patterns are etched into the brain of the child at an early age by responsible/decent parents in the first few years of the child’s life, but they’re not in the brain at birth, and definitely don’t get etched through being at lefty schools.
This is why families have generations that all follow the same pattern as each other; once a child has got to the age of 5 without any morals being taught, they’ll replicate that lack of moral-teaching to their own children. It never stops unless a child gets adopted at an early age by a different family. It’s not genetic, although it does give the outward appearance of seeming to be genetic.
This also manifests itself in entire communities, where virtually everyone on a bad/poor estate has the same attitude as each other. The reason that they’re all living on a bad/poor estate and not in nice houses with decent jobs is not because their family is poor, it’s because their family never gave them enough morals to stand up for themselves and take responsibility.
you are fucking insane.
Go back to your cesspit estate.
Whilst the formualtion of the coalition was perhaps the best step given the result , it left agreat many in disbelief , agreat deal of thought went into it and indeed it was very open .What I assumed was that it pretty obvious what needed doing and they would work on that basis , putting aside party differences .Clegg went a little way to blowing the socialist hedgemoney on the economey (although still to this day I dont know what the Labour cuts would have been which is a bit of a fail ) but then emerged the idealogical splits on policy I had thought were understood resulting in sometimes vague statements of where we going leaving me wondering if we hadnt got bogged down . Trident is perhaps the best example so far (given Euro repair is perhaps the more silent super coalition unpalletable) .i dont mind the Libs/greens/snp having a view on the future need of the UKs nuclear deterrent wrongly in my view assuming that it will lead to everyone else doing the same , but it was the complete lack of considering if the threat analysis for keeping it were/are correct , nothing from them ,zip , diddley squat , just an in the air sort of position . Exactly the sort of bad bargaining chip that should never have emerged . I could have lived with a closed session if it was sensative which no doubt these matters are yet for some reason they thought it was bull riding rodeo issue very much in the mould they cast themselves under Labour , rather than the more serious question which Trident proposes in the face of post soviet era threats , indeed I began to wonder if the defence of the UK was somthing the lib dems had got to grips with at all or nato for that matter , or if they had even rememberd we are fighting in foreign lands , just a side issue to them or sitting in the armchair channel flipping till they found a channel they liked .
But then they say “oh its the cost” , there right there only they have ommitted to explain the cost of not having it in todays mix of global corrupts .
it’s an expensive out of date american cold war toy
that didn’t stop 9.11, didn’t stop saddam, didn’t stop N.Korea getting Nukes, didn’t stop Pa**stan getting them, hasn’t saved a single British troops life in Iraq or Afghanistan and more importantly compared to the colossal US, Russian and Chinese stockpiles is about as useful as a fart in a hurricane
but you keep wasting £100 Billions of taxpayers money on it like Brown if it makes you happy
and trident is hardly the only way to defend ourselves either conventionally or with Nukes, but it is the most expensive option
Well at last non mongs
Unlike you, the ultra-mong. I heard you and your ilk had a race the other day, the le mong 24hour race and you won by a country fucking mile.
Mega-mong!!
pathetic
Part of the reason for the current vitriol from the Labour Party towards the LibDems is that they took it for granted that the LibDems were a party of the left. As patronising as it was wrong.
What members of The Labour Party and its promoters within the MSM/BBC my have thought is one thing, as well as largely of no consequence.
What matters is understanding that they are all parties of the ESTABLISHMENT. Indeed, how could they not be?
Therefore they do what the establishment instructs/bribes/forces/advises or brainwashes them into doing, or they are proverbial toast quicker then Thatcher said ” NO NO NO” to the EU.
The establishment may sometimes allow a tiny amount of flexibility between one colour of government from another, but when it comes to anything even marginally important they ALL follow ‘advice’ handed down to them from establishment bodies such as The RIIA, and MI5/6.
By the very nature of the democratic process we can never know what the opposition party would have actually done in government. This is only one reason why the establishment have been so keen on democracy for such a long time. The proverbial THEY control virtually everything the government actually does, and we take the blame, because we voted for it. Which I am sure you will agree is extremely clever.
Democracy is not the best form of government, or even the best out of a very poor set of choices, it is one of the very worst of all. At least the Soviets had a clear understanding as to what was repressing them. In American and EU states such as ours we still largely think that either the Conservative Party are run by evil or The Labour Party is. When of course the truth is THEY ALL ARE. This not only makes us very possibly among the most stupid people on planet earth, it also makes us more docile then a gigantic heard of ever more brainless and pennyless sheep cheerfully heading for the slaughter house.
Let me give just two examples that come to mind.
The first being the right to buy, which was also in Labours 1979 manifesto. This because the right to buy, like every other important policy, was an establishment policy. An establishment policy being one decided on by the owners of the central banks.
The second being current so called cuts in governments spending, which are of course not cuts in government spending at all, just like they were not during the entire Thatcher government.
However history tells us that The Labour Party and its establishment corrupted Trades Unions kicked up all types of merry hell as soon as Thatcher did EXACTLY what the previous government had already proposed to do.
This is all one enormous game, or more accurately a national and now pan-national sized Sting.
The whole point of which is to enable the private owners of the central banks to periodically rip off taxpayers and savers using deliberately contrived booms and busts. Not a new show either. This West End Crime Thriller has been enacted time and time again for at least the last 200 years.
As for Polaris.
Please understand if the REAL powers that be wanted an end to Britons Independent Nuclear capabilities, it would all be gone by this time last week.
BTW, chances are it does not even work, and never has.
pay attention mongs and learn something.
Get your tongue out of his arse you spasticated cock-juggler.
sez the old fag with a dick fetish
It seems the level of debate on this and other political web sites is driven either by PPL graduates and orcurrent or former SPAD’s and Spin Doctors.
Sadly issues in Parliament addressing the concerns of the population appear secondary
The issues appear secondary to those in both houses too.
O/T
Horror of horrors
McRuin canoodling with the Mouth
http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2010/09/19/article-1313353-0B3CB694000005DC-452_87x84.jpg
the chingrinner and gobslobber play tonsil hockey…urggggggggghhhhhh
http://cache.daylife.com/imageserve/05E0ayz4byfVC/x610.jpg
The intention is and was to create a ‘Right of Centre’ Pro-Europe political party
that will allow the Conservative party to Split without doing REAL damage to the
‘European Federalist’ project.
Simple.
Well done Uncle Ken (Clarke) ! The ‘Reich Lite’ marches on.
I want to snog Ed Miliband,my hunk.
Well said Guido
“Labour’s internal alternative vote system is thought to favour Ed Miliband winning from second preference votes on the second ballot.”
The government we have is on the right when it comes to tax and spending on all other issues its to the left. If this last for five years we will end up more inside the EU. LD might be happy to cut spending but when it comes to EU they will always side with EU.
As things are, the right must be worried but the right haven’t realised what is happening. This is like having a party while the house is being robbed, right is too drunk to realise what is happening.
If their personal wealth keeps increasing they won’t give a monkey’s where the country is going.
Miserable fuckers.
revolution and execution
Anon I wonder if in reality the ‘Right’ we perceive now is actually the centre ground as was…clearly socialist ideology and ethos are outdated..repeatedly proven to fail…and now probably the preserve of tin pot dictators and african warlords.
The Blair Brown Mandelson new labour model shifted an already devalued socialist backbone ‘a la droite’ and softened the message to bend the great unwashed ears.
In my opinion the 2010 ‘Right’ has the capacity to give an even balance in the modern world and in the light of a continued radical swing in the muslim moral compass engenders the necessity of cooperation between nation states.
There is always a future for a party of the far right. Heil Hitler! Sorry, did I say that last part out loud?
And you can fuck off as well,Guido Fawkes.
you thick Mick
Like dave he has the Blair “I’m worried” look off to a tee!
Lib Dem support is concentrated in the state employment sector.
The coalition has to convince the turkey that life after Christmas is going to be a better one, that there is a rosy alternative to a star place on the menu.
Here is Clegg, stating his case.
A great mass of nonces are saying mass in Brum
Heil
50,000×25 quid, not a bad haul for a mornings work.
Guido you contradict yourself – if the LibDems are not left, then who can the Marxists vote for other than Labor?
I think the 30-odd% core vote that Labor got in the election proves that there is a section of society that will always vote for “the left wing option” regardless of how woeful that option is.
And god help us if they wheel out another Tony Blair type person who appeals to the centrists.
This modding to protect the beasts will not do Fawkes.
http://barrypittard.wordpress.com/2010/09/19/institutional-sex-corruption-plight-of-roman-catholic-church-and-sathya-sai-organization/
Trapped by his overwheening ambition and love of luxury and power, Cleggie isn’t Left, Right or Centre. He is the patsey and the fall guy. He is wheeled out whenever there is bad news to be weathered, and because he can’t stand to let go of the trappings he has sold himself for, he just trots out and does it. David Cameron meanwhile stands back and poses for family pics. with cute wife and gorgeous new baby. Smart.
http://cyberboris.wordpress.com/2010/09/19/oh-oh-boris/
Boris’s shocker in front of the Pope. Tired at having to behave himself as though butter wouldn’t melt, having been good as gold for at least two hours, Boris’s natural debunking urges reassert themselves. You have to laugh!
Buffoon and buffoons diarist
How dare you speak of Boris like that, you humourless fool.
Sees the underlying simplicity hidden in the complex plan.
http://www.allvoices.com/partner/ap/tags/roman-catholic-church-sex-abuse-scandal
Too many other cover ups in this country that were not the church
dear mr pope, what are you doing impersonising a man of god?
God loves a bastard
Fawkes is modding this pedo and the church like a pedo on the run
Will you put your life on the line to stem the tide of Islam? No you fucking won’t, you cowardly piece of shit, atheist conshie. You’ll leave it to someone who is ready to die for a cause, just like the muzzie is.
I am a muslim
GORDON BROWN HAS ONLY GOT ONE EYE
THE OTHER WAS KNOCKED OUT BY A GUY
HIS MOTHER THE DIRTY BUGGER COOKED IT AND PUT IN THE SHEPARDS PIE!!!!!!
Shepherd, are you funded by the arts?.
Tory backer set to quit party role
http://www.southyorkshiretimes.co.uk/news/national_2_5724/tory_backer_set_to_quit_party_role_1_1553685
T*ory backer set to quit party role
http://tinyurl.com/3ad3t9r
making T*ory a mod word on a political blog is the act of a mad man.
(Ashcroft) “He pointed out that through 2008 and 2009 nearly all the published opinion polls were giving the Conservatives a double-digit lead over Labour. “Why did these figures not translate into a thumping majority? The key lies in the gap between the change people wanted and the change people thought we were offering,” he wrote.”
Right on the money.
cast iron
dear mr clegg, what are you doing inpersonising a politician?
You might like me better if we slept together.
On the road with Benedict, Jack Kerouac made a Saint (the beat generation).
Every century there are a few individuals who are destined to lead the weak, to hold unpopular beliefs and, most important, who are willing to die for their cause.
Gobble Gobble
Blessed be the meek for they shall inherit fuck all.
Blessed be the innocent for they shall be abused.
Blessed be the stupid for they shall believe in me.
Blessed be the pure in heart for the shall be corrupted.
Blessed be the poor for they shall remain so.
Could say the same about Karl Marx
he’s just pissed off cos Ratzinger didn’t apologise.
I see the libdems have changed their colours from orange to blue.
http://img101.imageshack.us/img101/4686/bluei.jpg
Brother Philomen formally of the De la Salle order and a teacher in St Josephs boys home Nantwich is a violent sexual child abuser. I understand he is now a priest in Brighton. So if you live there and your children know him be wary.
If you demand what you voted for you’ll end up a prisoner
http://waugh.standard.co.uk/2010/09/crispin-blunt-the-prisoners-friend.html
T*ory sinking ship.
http://today.yougov.co.uk/politics/govt-trackers-update-16th-sept
http://www.comres.co.uk/page1901853521.aspx
Join us brothers. Fuck the catholic bastard abusers and pedophiles. We have better laws to deal with them. The three main parties are made up of pedophiles. They make the laws to protect themselves. They appoint the pedophile judges and police. Fuck them brother. Join us. Allah Akbar.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1313364/POPES-UK-VISIT-Six-men-held-plot-attack-Pope-freed-charge.html
Once they get wiped out at the next local elections, they’ll reinvent themselves as the Democratic Liberals.
Von Clegg will have moved on to a top EU position.
http://cyberboris.wordpress.com/2010/09/19/a-lib-dem-for-mayor-none-but-the-brave/
What Lib Dem is brave enough to fight Boris for Mayor? I pity the Fool! Yes I do!!!
4 months the FCO has had to film and publish videos but still only this.
http://www.fco.gov.uk/en/news/media-library/video/
Lembit Opik says he will stand as London mayor
http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2010/jun/25/lembit-opik-london-mayor-candidate
heres a slogan
“I’m of the Opik Lembit should be Mayor”
I’m not sure if this is a good thing or not, but I am open to learn.
http://libdemchild.blogspot.com/
I think that a lot of people are just going to be so surprised by the future. I happen to agree with Dr North on this. There are no politics now, just revolution.
Clegg has tasted power and he wont be giving it up. No matter what happens to the Lib Dims he will jump ship and be given a safe Tory seat.