Take a Look in the Mirror
While the Mirror and the Guardian try to breathe air into the phone hacking scandal, lets take a look at why it isn’t really only about evil Murdoch and his newspapers. A little evidence based research, with the help of the Information Commissioner’s Office, shows how all the papers were up to dirty tricks and “blagging” - pretending to be someone you are not in order to gain information you are not entitled to or worse still bribing phone company, HMRC and DVLC employees to obtain information. Who do you think had the most recorded offences?
So where is Watson’s call to have the Mirror and the Mail hauled up before Parliament to answer questions, or does that not fit the attack strategy?
Who is more lawless, the newspapers, or the expenses fraudster MPs?
MacKenzie is odious but he gets to the point, and loves to see hypocritical piggies squeal.
MacKenzie is OK. He does not bullshit and does not do evasive.
McKenzie represents everything that is wrong with this country.
The labour party?
MacKenzie has been brilliant this week. His dismissal of Watson on Newsnight was masterful and everything he said was true.
MacKenzie cannot even pronounce his own surname correctly, so take what he says with a large pinch of salt. That is not an English “z”. It’s a Scots “z”, which is like a Spanish “ñ” sound.
*Someone* needs to go after the Mirror, big time. Self-righteous pious, preachy, cnuts.
Remind me again. Who is the editor of the daily Mirror and which political party does he viciously support?
Er, pass.
The Editor of the Daily Mirror is Richard Wallace.
Maguire is an Associate Editor
That’s close enough. He will be far more familiar with the methods of his reporters than the chief edtor. And he was at the Guardian before joining the mirror.
Did Watscum have a quick w4nk before going on camera or is he always that state?
The Mirror is the paper of choice for Hunts, read by Hunts and produced by bigger Hunts.
I believe Sun and News of the World are read by sex maniacs and perverts. Brian, just because one believe it doesn’t mean it is true.
One of my colleagues reads the Mirror and I have to say he’s a nice chap but he does have anger-management issues and you probably wouldn’t want to invite him round for dinner.
The Mirror itself is complete crap.
If you invite a sun reader for dinner, he might expect more.
He might get more.
“sun reader” I thought they just looked at the pretty pictures?
Lets see the fuckin lefties squek now !
If you mean on terms of sex, then most of the cabinet are on the left.
Hague would be a bit of a centralist, as he swings both ways.
come on Tom waston , speak up ???????
Q: Who’s behind the tolet(s)
A: Watson
Has this been reporeted in the MSM ?
We’re still checking the source, but rest assured it will be reported if it suits our aims
If it suits our aims.
Remember who it is you serve.
We never forget who we serve. Once the new glorious leader Millipede is installed we can begin the task in earnest of removing cruel coalition which by it’s cuts is killing babies, allowing murderers and rapists to roam the streets and not allowing unemployed chavs to get the lie ins they deserve
This site is really firing my pedantry glands. I’d never even heard of the ‘possessive ‘its” before. Now I’m obsessing about correctly nesting quotation marks and getting the vapours whenever the (largely redundant) accusative-form ‘whom’ is dropped for a (nominally incorrect) ‘who’.
Dear Deidre,
I’m worried that I’m turning into Michael Gove.
and even that high minded paragon of all that is good in journalism …the Gruinard …… has been at it too.
Is ‘blagging’ illegal?
Not when we’re doing it.
BBC needs breaking up or it needs to start reporting facts not propeganda.
Flog ‘em. Then flog ‘em off.
The summer recess was obviously over too soon this year, and some MPs obviously still regard this as the silly season. The sooner we reduce their numbers the sooner they will (or should) have something a little more important to occupy their tiny minds.
Perhaps they should return to some regular, taxpayer-funded globetrotting, where less harm will result if they are out of the country?
Well said. It is an old story and indeed a non story. I’m not interested. Indeed, I’m not interested in what any Labour bastard says ever after what they have done to my country. They should all be on trial, the whole Labour cabinet, for treason and economic sabotage!
The tories and their supporters should not have to comply with the law.
why should we your lot never did either !
Plus ca change….
Guido did you see Bryant on Sky news yesterday? His very point was this was endemic, systematic and not just about one paper or one person. I think it is unfair to take one person’s jibe in a debate and suggest that is the consensus view of the Labour party. It is widely acknowledged that this is a wider problem. Indeed, your entire attitude in this scandal has been weak, petulant and behind the curve.
Bryant cannot be taken seriously.
The only names consistently mentioned in this story are Coulson and News International.
It’s about embarrasing the new government, and distancing Labour from it’s previous embarrasing relationship with Murdoch, pure and simple.
Coulson lied to Parliament.
I suppose we should be grateful that the Tories might find that embarrassing.
Has coulson ever posed online in a pair of silver Y fronts saying how much he needed a good f*** from another bloke?
OOPS! thar was the very moral Mr Bryant
I would just like to say that although pictured in a freshly laundered thong on the gaydar website I did nothing wrong
The photo was meant to help me reach out to the LGBT community of North Yorkshire and to help me to understand the challenges that they face every day of the week in the tea rooms and hair dressing salons of Richmond
Thank you
YOU SEE?!?!
I was right all along: possessive ‘its’ and ‘double R – double ‘S’ embarrassing.
OK. good for them. But the newspaper folk shouldn’t then go into politics. Its almost as bad as having politicians in politics.
As in, he recognises it isn’t going anywhere, he thinks for labour , the party who consistently lied for thirteen years, to try & cry morals now, is fucking pathetic and he isn’t taken in by the desperate bbc attempts to keep alive a story that joe public don’t give a flying fuck about. Yup, thats a pretty fair assessment.
Who the fuck believes a word the mainstream media prints or broadcasts anyway? Do people still think that newspapers are there to report the news anymore?
Their sole purpose is to present a version of “reality” which suits their proprietors agenda. NOTHING MORE. Truth is not required and is only to be used if it suits that agenda, if the truth does not suit the agenda, then they misquote, dissemble, mis-inform, dis-inform or just plain lie.
They are not there to inform you of what is happening so you can make informed judgements. They are there to manipulate you so you are more likely to make judgements that suit their agenda.
They want you to work, borrow, spend, consume, vote for one of the mainstream parties and do as you are damned well told without too much fuss.
They do not want you to be independent, informed, self-reliant people in charge of your own destiny. If you were such a thing, you would not get into debt, you would never vote for a mainstream party (in fact you would campaign against them) and you would be demanding self determination and democracy, for in this country, we barely have a thread of that left.
Mr Ned, bravo Sir bang on the button.
Control, order, production and consumption.
“I have nothing more to say”
This is group level stuff of course and will include the blunderings of the West Susssex Gazette (big into phonetapping a few years ago) the Midhurst & Petworth Oberver (one of the few English papers to pursue Watergate vigprously) and of course the legendary Somerton Bugle, the first paper to send reporters out on uicide bombing missions in the Wet Country.
Would you like to remove the crumbs from underneath your “S” and retype that ?
The ramblings of a middle aged man posessed of a mind addled by fine wines and too much sun
Shirley that should read fine sun & too much wine ?
The wet country? There have been suicide bombings in Wales?
It’s worse they were uicide missions!
Reminds me of the famous editorial headline in an Irish newspaper c.1915: “The Skibbereen Eagle will be keeping its eye on the Tsar”.
Whoop mr TT make a pelling mitake,mr perfect witterings fails oh dear,his wine cellar must be getting a bit low,should use his peasant Paulo to do his typing.
The Mirror is a pathetic, desperate and morally bereft shit wad of a ‘paper’.
Run by dickfarts and spoogeballs.
I wish a J-DAM on Canada Square.
You won’t find any of that in Redditch thanks to the greatest Homes secretary ever Jacqui Smith!
Yes go after all the press who have acted illegally.
I suppose one big difference is that only one person implicated in the scandal now works for the Prime Minister. That’s why he’s attracting most attention.
Well we now know why the Express is boring and losing money.
Tom fatson would probably see life as a goose in south western France as an ideal career move
Most of his colleagues seem to enjoy having things stuffed down their gullets
They were all at it.
The only person who didn’t know what was going on was Andy Coulson.
Not very plausible is it?
Face facts. He’s a liar and he’s been found out.
If Cameron doesn’t sack him then he’s condoning and aiding and abetting someone who has deliberately lied to Parliament.
Lied to Parliament? Fuck no. Well, I suppose it was bound to happen sooner or later. I’m just glad it never happened on my watch.
So do you object to people lying to Parlaiment?
Or is OK when tories do it?
Right you don’t believe him so ergo he’s a liar ! well that’s me convinced glad you could clear that up for us! I assume you will now use your powers for good and report this the the appropriate bodies for processing and prosecution with the huge pile of evidence you have !.
Good work keep up the investigating scrappy doo!
Just like he did when he voted for the Iraq war.
Didn’t you once put Emily Nomates up to pretending she was a Muslim, Guido?
what is all the fuss about here
Some idiots dont have the intelect to change the password on their voicemails. So someone rings their phone and puts in ’0000′ as the password and wahay, they are in.
If the great and good who are supposed to be running the country cant change passwords from manufacturers default, god help us.
(I bet their email passowrd is ‘password’ too!)
As Labour were constantly saying. If you have nothing to hide, you have nothing to fear.
Tom Watson clearly has a lot to hide hence his fear that he has been found out.
The fuss is about the fact that Coulson lied to Parliament.
People who lie to Parliament should be shot.
Gulp !
In that case I’d like to put my self forward for the firing squad, I feel its my public duty to do so as an English man.
Can you prove that?
Have you never worked in a place where many the staff were engaged in practices that the manager had no clue about? I know I have. Often the bosses want the results without necessarily knowing how those results have been achieved. It is called plausible deniability.
Or have you never worked?
What wonderful hindsight you have.
When were you first aware of this hack?
MPS are trying to look like fuckin victims , Trying to get sympathy .
WELL FUCK OFF YOU THIEVING FUCKERS !!!
Here Here!
Its fair to say they’re all at it.
But if I were Labour I’d focus on the ‘Murdoch’ connection.
People on all sides resent diggers influence.
He’s been too close to British politics for too long.
O/T England 23-0, 41 overs a side
I take it that’s cricket?
How much did that score cost?
Bullying Broadcasting Corp
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1310756/The-Stig-Ben-Collins-claims-BBC-bullied-job.html
Good to see that the Grauniad’s icon Fidel Castro has finally woken up and admitted that Centrally Planned Economies can’t work. Pity it took the old Hunt 50 years to do it.
It must really piss off the fellow travellers, former KGB tools and general Hunts like Richard Gott. Then again they didn’t bother to ask questions about labour camps and repression, but oh look they have better medical care than the USA, and that was all that mattered to the leftish, myopic scum who worshiped authoritarian systems.
link?
Ho, Ho, Ho.
Here it is.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/sep/09/fidel-castro-cuba-economic-model
I’d love to have seen Gott weep when that came in.
Thanks for that. Those socialists at the BBC will be crying into their Che T-shirts
I can now inform the house my new book will be released with a special brown coloured “scratch and sniff” back page to give you the full effect of my time in office. And don’t forget, by two and get a free rubberised Nokia!
Thank you.
Never underestimate the power of one letter. This morning my mate text me about this ‘burn a Koran day’.
One accidental letter ‘e’ later and I’m stood in my back garden with the charred remains of an Asian man wondering what to do with him and a bit worried about this Kim Jong Il he said was gonna come get me.
O/T Guido , When are the Guidograms going back out ?
When Guido can find suitable Totty to do the work…
http://uk.news.yahoo.com/5/20100910/twl-protesters-shot-dead-in-koran-burnin-3fd0ae9.html
HHAHAHAH
A couple of lessons for our arse in the air 5 times a day chums
Never mess about with the Germans
Everybody at that hog roast will be carrying and just itching to tag a Muzzie
Winning hearts and minds in Afghan in the same way as they did in Warsaw 70 odd years ago then?
No caption contest?
Q: coulson or hague?
Coulson “hacked off”
Hague ” politics is a bummer”
Its not off yet, wait till tomorrow!
Should we be surprised that this has nothing to do with the facts or fairness? No, it’s politics so of-course Coulson is the target. Not because he’s any more guilty than some of the others, but because he’s on the payroll of the Tories.
Coulson has lied to Parliament.
The others haven’t.
That’s the difference.
The problem for Cameron is not so much that he knows Coulson lied to Parliament, it’s that we now know he knows.
How do we know that he knows that we know?
There has not been any PROOF offered that Coulson had knowledge of the practice. Other than hearsay, gossip and innuendo from people who were NOT in a position to know if he knew or not or from people who could have an axe to grind and may very well be lying.
It would not be the first time that a manager, or a director had no clue as to what went on under his nose in his department. That happens a hell of a lot. They often want the results, regardless of how you get them. If you have to rely on a dodgy way to get the results they want, then they do NOT want to know about how you got the result. The result is enough in itself!
Often, in dodgy areas, such as journalism, there is an implicit don’t ask, don’t tell rule between journalists and editors so that there is plausible deniability.
So your ONLY proof so far of Coulson’s knowlege of these is the words of some journo’s. One of which was sacked by Coulson and others who did not work at the paper when Coulson was there.
Beyond that you have political opponents and competitors in the industry, who [sarc] obviously have no motivation to lie.[/sarc] Beyond that many other journos he admit that the practice was widespread amongst hacks in the industry, but that does not mean that Coulson knew about it. One hack who worked under Coulson said that everyone was doing it, and that they wanted to go further, but that Coulson would not have permitted it if he knew it was going on. They DID NOT TELL HIM!
So where is YOUR proof that Coulson lied to parliament?
Now I have no loyalty to, or animosity against Coulson at all. I could not give a rat’s ass if Coulson keeps his job or not, I genuinely do not care one way or the other, BUT I would hope that IF he has lied to Parliament, that some definitive, unbiased, reliable PROOF be offered before he is sacked for it.
He should not be sacked solely on the words of a bunch of serial liars and crooks.
I think having Parliamentary investigations into what a press officer may, or may not, have known, in a PREVIOUS job years ago, relating to OTHER people having possibly acted slightly outside the law years ago is a MASSIVE waste of Parliament’s time.
They would be far better spent investigating what David Milliband knew about our country’s alleged involvement in torture and when he knew it and what he may have done to cover it up, including lying to Parliament.
Which is more serious?
What a press officer during a previous job might have known about what other people may or may not have done, and when it was discovered, he (in-spite of presumed innocence and total lack of evidence against him) he took responsibility in a way that Labour Ministers NEVER DO and resigned from THAT job anyway?
Or a senior cabinet minister lying to Parliament to cover up crimes against humanity, namely torture?
Well said for all of it. My experiences mirrors. The last person you tell anything to is the boss. The less he/she knows, the quicker the work gets done.
O/T. I was speaking to a silly moo who believes that the BBC Panorama programme is a reliable source to get info from. Ha ha ha ha. Left wing bias. Jeez people actually believe that crap!
Nothing funny about that. Nothing funny at all/
All’s fair in love, war and politics! Well, actually it’s not otherwise MP’s wouldn’t have ripped off the public with their false/exaggerated expense claims, and continue to do so, and try and justify an expense system that is so clearly unfair on the tax payer, giving them incredibly more generous benefits than your average worker, you know, the people they are supposed to serve.
The bastards still don’t get it and are hoping that time and other crises will help us forget that they are still at it.
Hope bloggers etc. keep reminding them we havn’t forgot.
Mirror mirror on the wall who was the biggest crook of all?
He’s fat,
He’s round,
He’s never at the ground,
Captain Bob, Captain Bob.
Didn’t the Guardian send a cod fax in order to obtain incriminating information on Jonathan Aitken?
I just hope all this shite comes back to bite Fatso Watson, Queenie Bryant and all the other sanctimonious Lieber bastards on the arse. Only problem is the BBC will shield these sods or will try to avoid the situation if the tables are turned [please God!]
Has Bryant accidently thrown a spanner in the works,due to the fact he was kept out of the loop by the bunker bods?
Was any of the numbers on the ‘list’ given to papers from inside the bunker,
hence the stoppage of the last digging expedition?
Was that the reason no opposition bod went against the ‘tide’ the other day?Someone now knows what the new digging expedition will unearth & are quite happy to let it go where it will?
Who are in the frame if the above is true?
Not Coulson for a starter.
Just a thought.
Talking of the DM
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1311150/The-paedophile-and-law-chief-It-took-32-years-bring-pervert-headmaster-justice–helped-hide-past.html