August 31st, 2010

Guardian Surrenders Editorial Control for £15k

The withdrawal of public sector job advertising was always going hurt The Guardian, but it looks as if they are finding new craftier ways of propping up their bloated business model on the public purse. Wendy Miller, the rather grandly named Public Sector Manager, has been emailing local councils and asking them to cough up £15,000 to “sponsor” a Guardian supplement entitled “The Future of Public Services”:

Given the clamp down on public sector lobbying, Guido should think the Guardian got their cash as councils look for new ways to promote their interests,  but why are they still encouraging public money to be wasted on promotion and council aggrandisement? The fact that they are willing to surrender editorial direction for money some what weakens their “look at the culture of public services in the context of a general election and the current financial situation.” While their columnists bleat at the evil cuts, the management side are still scrambling for the taxpayer teat.


114 Comments

  1. 1
    Billy Bowden is the greatest umpire ever! says:

    Its crap anyway

    • 43
      Cynic says:

      Crap or no crap – if they’re taking public funds to use for the usual bullshit and bollocks, then . . . . cut their balls off! , , , RIGHT OFF!!!!!

      And as for public funded bodies who contribute, why, then they’re getting too much public money! Cut it off!

      Translation for BoringLiars at about the same IQ level as Presscloth : You’re fucked!! Bugger off!

    • 54
      Maximus says:

      Or in Frank Fisher’s eloquent phrase – carousel propaganda.

  2. 2
    concrete pump says:

    Fuck the Guardian and all who sail in it.

    • 13
      Engineer says:

      I don’t fancy Michael White. Or Moonbat. Or Polly Twaddle, come to that.

      Think I’ll take my carnal pleasures elsewhere.

      • 114
        Can't remember my moniker says:

        At my age I have to take them where I can. But even I would draw the line at these …..

    • 56
      Honest John Honest says:

      I would prefer to do the Page 3 girls if you do not mind

  3. 3
    Billy Bowden is the greatest umpire ever! says:

    Hypocrites at the Gaurdian , Whatever next ………… Bent MPS

  4. 4
    Billy Bowden is the greatest umpire ever! says:

    How many Labour Concils will apply i wonder ………..

  5. 5
    Number 6 says:

    I would not wipe my dead dog’s arse on the grunndfiad. The printed word of the waste of space socialist scum that have ruined this country.

  6. 6
    Backwoodsman says:

    Fawkes, talking of the grauniad, how about a piece on the stunning hypocracy of pointless polly. Think of all those pieces glossing over and justifying the failures of her former heroes, and now, they offer milliband specimen d and milliband specimen e , a spot of advice and she gets her tits in the mangle over it.

    • 58
      Honest John Honest says:

      Better hers in a mangle than on Page 3

    • 59
      Maximus says:

      A very edifying, if somewhat bloody, metaphor you have there.

    • 68
      Princess Polytwaddle, po-faced pontificating pedant, talking down at people from her Ivory Tower says:

      I am always right.

      I am never wrong.

      And, let’s be clear, – I am rich enough to be a socialist.

      But things are getting desperate, – I’M GETTING DESPERATE!!

      I haven’t had relief for . . . two days at least!

      I’ll just lay back and . . . forget the cuts . . and think of Gordon

      Ah . . that’s better . . . so relaxing . . . mmmm . . . where’s the remote? . . I’ll play one of his speeches . . ohhhhh!

      His voice! . . . his penetrating yet logical thrusts that respond to my inner thoughts and desires . . . !

      His hands! . . how they move to demonstrate his strong manly grasp of my finer points that so yearn to be manipulated and . . .

      Oh . . my hands . . I’m clenching my teeth . . I cannot talk . . no don’t help . . I’m nearly gone . . gone into status polytwadlicus . . and it could be a biigy!

      Then I must write something for my adoring Grouniad readers – they expect it – even after this.

  7. 7
    Billy Bowden is the greatest umpire ever! says:

    Do you think they are still pissed about backing clegg ?

  8. 8
    Mehdi Hassan says:

    The New Statesmen will offer editorial control for a tenner. We’re desperate.

    • 22
      Mahdi Hassan says:

      ..and by the way you are all animals of no intelligence.

      • 108
        Ms Slater's Parrot says:

        SQUIIIIIIIIIIIRRRR… (stare) (crest) CL x (1/2 pV2) x S!!! (squit)

        • 110
          Shatner's Bassoon says:

          Lift equations are all very good in your soupy atmosphere, my feathered amigo. But here in the infinite inky wastes of interstellar space, we have nothing but miniskirted minions that are helpless at our Captainly charms to keep us entertained. We modelled it on your House of Commons and your SPodDs. Warp factor Seven, Mister Sulu!

  9. 9
    Gordon Brown says:

    Can I have my fizzy orange now, nurse or mummy? I forget who’s who round here.

  10. 10
    Labourlist says:

    We will do the same but pay you to come to our wonderful site .

  11. 11
    Billy Bowden is the greatest umpire ever! says:

    How about we have a whip round and buy some influence and state the facts not properganda ?

  12. 12
    anti commie says:

    If only they were capitalists they might survive the Tory revolution. Too bad they aren’t. Oh yeah, haha.

  13. 14
    Anonymous says:

    the advertising budget for councils should be zero as their income is fixed and in no way driven by any sales volumes. kind of like the bbc.

    • 111
      equity abhors a Maxim says:

      They still need to recruit (and post planning notices, promote upcoming programmes) The fact they have a territorial monopoly on the provision of a list of services is common to them both. Some budget is needed for these essential functions – but reasonable measures to reduce them should be found.

      The battleground is the sum of the purse.

  14. 15
    (Hideously) White Van Man says:

    perhaps they could do an in depth investigation into the “suicide” of Dr Kelly?

  15. 16
    Tom FD says:

    Maybe the government wouldn’t need make so many cuts if so much public money hadn’t been wasted on keeping the Guardian afloat all these years.

    • 21
      chirles says:

      the government threw money at advertising in the guardian. did they advertise anywhere else? doesn’t sound like they tendered properly anyway. its as bad as giving taxpayers money to unions who promptly donate it to the labour party

      • 63
        Senator Bloodn' Gore says:

        The Government, Sir, has been, under Labour, the largest Advertising client in Europe for the past 12 years outspending both Ford and Unilever to attain the title. In 1997 questions were asked in your House of Commons about the Government advertising expenditure of £37m in 2008 the expenditure was closing in on £300m. The marketing services industry, even T. Bell and M. Saatchi, just loved Labour and it was absolutely nothing to do with their politics just their money.

  16. 17
    (Hideously) White Van Man says:

    or into the rubbish equipment given to troops in the sand pit?

    • 74
      Bring them home says:

      Makes no difference what they have the Mujahideen have got the home turf and have been killing for a donkeys years,The army don’t stand a fucking chance,they never see the enemy,just the result.and its freaking them out.Not to mention killing them

  17. 18
    Billy Bowden is the greatest umpire ever! says:

    Will Polly need to have a pay cut as well as her husband loesing his job ………………………Oh the joy

  18. 20
    chirles says:

    does anybody have the numbers on how much money went to the guardian advertising all those make-work jobs? and how much they get from other sources?

    how’s the guardian looking overall?

  19. 23
    Engineer says:

    Totally O/T (well, except that as it’s vaguely “nuclear”, the good old Grauniad would get it’s knickers in a twist over it), has anybody heard of Thorium?

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/comment/7970619/Obama-could-kill-fossil-fuels-overnight-with-a-nuclear-dash-for-thorium.html

    It seems that there’s another possibility in the offing to supply our energy needs. Some rather wild claims are made about Thorium’s possible contribution; personally, I’m a tad sceptical – we’ve had too many “ultimate answers” before, but it might make a contribution.

    • 33
      Wheatchief says:

      A mining by product deemed useless and binned.Mind you so was Uranium at first.But it was used from 64 to 69 in a reactor
      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thorium

    • 34
      Unsworth says:

      c.f. Tom Lehrer

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Elements_(song)

      A man after my own heart.

      And probably several other organs.

    • 35

      Thorium is AFIAK another fissile material – regard it as an alternative to uranium and plutonium for normal nuclear reactors. In theory it should be cheaper and offer few weapons proliferation problems when used as an energy source. Also teh crap produced is ‘easier’ to deal with (easier being a relative term!!)

      • 44
        Wheatchief says:

        Is that offer from Rudd to bury it in the heart of Aus still open?

      • 81
        Maximus says:

        http://www.world-nuclear.org/info/inf62.html

        Nothing terribly new technically in what Evans-Pritchard has to say, but it is good to see it being pointed out (for the greenies, that should mean forcibly) that U and Pu are not the end of the nuclear power story.

        The rational advantages of thorium reactors for energy have always played second fiddle to the military’s requirements for uranium and plutonium processing for loud bangs, and to the civil engineering contractors’ expertise in those fuels. In particular, if a reactor has walk-away safety integral in its design, there’s no need for elaborate safety systems in case of meltdown – which can reduce the build cost significantly, but result in much slimmer government contracts and leaner pickings for the nuclear cartel.

        • 92
          hot air power says:

          will the greenies on principle refuse to use electricity generated by nuclear power? I thought not.

        • 95
          Engineer says:

          In an electricity supply market without subsidies, lower capital cost would be attractive, especially if the reactors turned out to be relatively safe and easy to operate, generated good amounts of electricity, and didn’t have such serious residual waste problems that U and Pu do. Maybe private funding might be found, thus removing the dead hand of Government Subsidy, and all that goes with it – but given the projected scale of R&D investment required, the return would have to be colossal to attract it.

          The Thorium isn’t going to disappear any time soon, so maybe the science will remain on the back burner until fossil fuels become scarcer and more expensive. At that point (some would argue that we are close to it, or have reached it) developing the technology becomes more pressing. The emphasis currently is on the “renewables”, and vast quantities of money and resources are being thrown at them. When it finally sinks in that you need huge amounts of plant to extract not much power that way, minds might be focussed, but at present the political world is looking in the wrong direction.

    • 37
      astateofdenmark says:

      Interesting. Definitely feasible, but would need a lot of R&D. Certainly wouldn’t happen overnight, if at all.

    • 46

      Typical to see that the latest research is being carried out in Britain, but that they are looking for foreign partners because they can’t get the investment here.

      If Cameroon’s really keen on non-carbon energy, he could help enormously by sponsoring the development of this technology here, as a real exportable adder of value as well as a secure energy source.

    • 64
      sockpuppet #4 says:

      Oh come on. Are you really an engineer?
      Do you think a politicians and newspapers solve scientific and engineering problems?

      of note in the article:
      “named after the Norse god of thunder, who also gave us Thor’s day or Thursday”
      “Thorium eats its own hazardous waste”

      And theres at least three indicators of lunacy in there.
      A) no-one believes us:
      “When Hungarian scientists led by Leo Szilard tried to alert Washington in late 1939 that the Nazis were working on an atomic bomb, they were brushed off with disbelief.”
      B) Its a french conspiracy to protect their interests.
      C) mention “Albert Einstein”
      This just shows its the last sodding day of august.

      On the other hand the idea is a real one, but bloody expensive.
      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Energy_amplifier

      I’d still think it would be much more fun to waste that money making a 1000mph vacuum tube maglev. I have no idea from where to where.l

      • 79
        Russia says:

        Join us brothers,link it to ours across the top of the world, The yanks are fucked now.We are the new world order. Join us while theres a chance.
        PS.
        We got gas and oil.

      • 80
        concrete pump says:

        East Berks to Selhurst Park would be a start.

      • 86
        Engineer says:

        Well, I did say I was sceptical about the claim that it might be the “magic bullet” of energy generation, and – yes – I share your distrust of journalistic hyperbole.

        With a certain resigned cynicism, I’d agree about the chances of missing the boat whilst trying to argue with committees and outsmart vested interests, but if there is a technology here that offers the chance of generating substantial amounts of energy from a relatively freely-available fuel, some R&D is essential, if only to find out what the limitations and disadvantages are (all methods of power generation have those).

        By the way, our old friend Brunel built a vacuum-powered railway in the South-West many moons ago. It worked well until rats started eating bits of it, destroying the vacuum. There was something similar proposed (or trialled) for the London Underground, but that had some practical problems as well.

        • 91
          sockpuppet #4 says:

          “missing the boat” is the kind of thing that is the basis for massively keynsian intervention. France is always at it. TGV, nuclear power, hover trains, and a currently massively keen for wind turbines. Its never really been worth getting on the bandwagon, before theres even a band.

          Vacuum maglev: no – i mean that the trains run in sealed tubes with reduced air pressure so they can run above 330m/s.
          A very crazy idea that has peculiar advantages, and if you were as crackers as brunel (not a fan of his you know), you could get one running in 5-10 years. Probably to bristol which would be pointless.

          • Engineer says:

            Getting things to go fast can be quite easy. Getting them to stop again, where you want them to, is usually the tricky bit.

          • Who wants to listen to losers who say it can't be done. says:

            er the clue is in the word maglev,as in magnet.thats what you use to stop were you want to.

          • Engineer says:

            Maglev – talk to the Germans. They built a full-size development system. Then gave it up. Can’t remember why.

            Many things sound feasible, or easy, until you try to do them. Then you find the tricky bits.

      • 103
        S Hunter says:

        He’s 95 and used to drive a steam loco, one of Fred Dibnas mates

      • 104
        Fucking Mod says:

        He’s 95 and used to d*rive a steam loco, one of Fred Dibnas mates

    • 96
      Anonymous says:

      The slight drawback to this is that all mathematicians and physicists now work in Canary Wharf and Wall Street hedge funds for £1000 per day. Scientific advancement died in the 90s with the advent of derivatives.

    • 112
      equity abhors a Maxim says:

      Again, AFAIK, it’s beloved of nuclear scientists who scent a ‘test reactor’ project in the offing. Back in the real world, off-the-shelf reactors using the Uranium cycle provide reliable electricity to (among others) the French.

      There are other, similarly promising, technologies out there – including the pebble bed reactor (which suffers still from the taint of being a Nazi technology) and the Rolls-Royce variable flux reactor which never fulfilled its early promise. For all I know, it is still a technology owned by the Aero Engines division, rather than the German autmotive arm of the company.

  20. 25
    Sir William Waad says:

    Say what you like, the Guardian is still the medium most committed to proper reporting with a degree of intelligence. It’s written by people with brains and a dedication to journalism. The self-congratulatory student-union cleverness may be a bit wearing, but I wish there were a liberal-right equivalent. The Times comes close but somehow we sense that its heart isn’t really in it any more.

  21. 26
    Posh Bloke says:

    ….and a fiver for Micheal White’s arse……

  22. 27
    See's things says:

    I noticed in my local newsagents the magazine shelves are full of blank spaces were once magazines use to live.There must be a lot of them gone down in the last few weeks.

  23. 28
    tory boys never grow up says:

    Yes far better to hold 25m+ shares in Impellam the NHS outsourcing company whose share price has doubled since the General Election. Cui bono I wonder?

  24. 30
    Polly Toynbee's Anus says:

    For an extra £15K I will be on display in the vestibule of any Labour council which coughs up the readies.

    • 75
      'Mad' Hatty Harmoan and her Hod Humping Harridans (giggling) says:

      As a gesture of solidarity, we’ll join in that anal demo, revealing all.

      Should get a few quid in.

  25. 31
    Right of Attilla says:

    Thanks for the warning. I will make sure my local council’s attention is drawn to this! What a nerve!

  26. 32
    Unsworth says:

    “The Future of Public Services” FFS!

    Hilarious.

    Is there one?

  27. 38
    Anonymous says:

    Their £15 grand would be better invested in a Pakistani Betting syndicate. The returns are exceptional I hear.

  28. 39
    Billy Bowden is the greatest umpire ever! says:

    I have always wondered if they belive the shit that they write or like conning the public

  29. 40
    Sabdra says:

    It isn’t going to be the only daily paper to prostitute itself – just watch the others follow.

    • 102
      Crispin Blunt? says:

      If daily papers are going into prostitution can I have a go at Bryony Gordon?

  30. 42
  31. 51
    David says:

    I think Guido should do a FOI request on how much public money has been spent advertising ‘public sector’ jobs in national newspapers (i.e. exclusively in The Grauniad) since the advent of internet alternatives…?

    i.e. how much of our taxpayer dosh Nu Labour gave the Guardian from 1997 to 2010?

    Given that the Guardian was so interested in Lord Ashcroft, don’t you think they should get a dose of their own medicine…?

    • 61
      David says:

      ps – one thing’s for sure; if The Guardian was owned by the Murdoch press and it was a Tory government doing it, all that advertising money wouldn’t have escaped the notice of the left for one minute.

      They’d have already cast a narrative into public parlance about ‘the Tories bankrolling Murdoch with our money’…

  32. 62
    Billy Bowden is the greatest umpire ever! says:

    KP dropped from 20/20s and one day series , Quoted as saying “its Fucked up” oh and signs for Surrey

  33. 67
    Eileen Critchley says:

    Isn’t it time the great and the good of our so called free press took a closer look at the contracts signed by the Public Sector with an ever reducing number of big players.

    These guys have been troughing it on hilarious terms for years. All sorts of empires have sprung up all over the place. Guaranteed income, dozey client – it don’t get better than that!

    Who works for these people?

    What do they actually do? and how much are they paid for doing it?

    Oh there’s Apple sauce with British Pork!

    • 76
      Engineer says:

      Capita, Accenture….such innocent-sounding names, so much quiet involvement in society…such profits at the taxpayers’ expense…

      • 85
        Capita says:

        We don’t give a fuck what you’s say.Your all yap and no teeth,fuck you all

        • 96
          South of the M4 says:

          I would guess each and every one a member of the left-trouser-leg rolled up, funny hand shake brigade. This is what normally causes corruption, nepotism and market stitch-ups.

  34. 69
    jugs says:

    You just can’t wean them off the teat.

    http://tinyurl.com/3aktz8u

    • 78
      Baroness Udders of Full-to-Bursting, sucking on the Great LieBore Teat says:

      Why leave the teat, just when I’m latched on and getting comfy?

      • 90
        Neck Stretchung Party,join todaymembership fee a rope says:

        Er British teat,she’s not from here,shes a fucking Muzzee Huhne

  35. 73
    Postal Vote says:

    The Guardian must be utterly dependent on public sector job ads. Time to put all those job ads on a single government web site, for which occasionally the government can advertise in all of the papers and on all their websites, on all radio and tv stations.

  36. 84
    Tristram de Vere Trotsky, Guardian Correspondent on Equality Benchmarking says:

    Gissa job!

  37. 88
    Tim Lovejoy says:

    Hi , My names Tim Lovejoy and i am a BBC legend who likes sucking on the public tit .

    Ker Ching !

    Ps More money for the BBC for talent like me .

    • 106
      Mark Thompson says:

      Who (No, not the Doctor!) received £2.5 million for one hour of television which was a Weakest Link charity special?

  38. 89
    Sue Perrin-Junsham says:

    WGAF

  39. 94
    American Home War says:

    This is rolling news.wait for the US story to come round .
    http://rt.com/On_Air.html

  40. 100
    NBeale says:

    They are at least consistent. “more money please”



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