August 12th, 2010

Taxpayer Funded Lobbying of Dave Pays Off

Dave has come out in full support for minimum pricing on booze. He told the Manchester Evening News yesterday, and reaffirmed this morning, that he is “very supportive” of the campaign to have a 50p per unit minimum that Guido mentioned yesterday. No surprise that the taxpayer-funded lobbying firm Our Life have been quick to welcome the measure. Their chief exec Alison Giles was positively gushing with praise. What she didn’t mention though was Our Life’s previously lobbying of the Tories, while the taxpayer picks up the tab.

The NHS trusts that have channeled Our Life £509,000 to lobby the government (and the government to be,) have bought policy. Half a million quid of public money to get the PM to back your campaign – a necessary move in their eyes, in order to by-pass the Health Secretary who has comprehensively rejected minimum pricing. Regional NHS authorities are subverting the normal policy making process at a massive cost to the taxpayer. If they are doing it on alcohol what else are they doing it on? How many other taxpayer funding lobbying companies have the public sector set up?


  1. 1
    MI5 says:


    We should demand a list of ALL public sector contracts with lobbying contracts

    And terminate them ALL immediately…

    This is theft of taxpayers money and must be stopped

    There must be £ billions of public sector pissing up the wall at our cost to be cut…

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    jdennis_99 says:

    Disgraceful that they’re using our money to effectively buy policies. And it’s not even that minimum pricing will work!

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    MI5 says:


    with lobbying firms…

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    jdennis_99 says:

    Disgraceful that they’re using our money to buy policies. Autocratic at best.

    It’s not even that minimum pricing will actually work, as I have discussed on my blog.

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    Jack says:

    And which public bodies signed contracts with Mrs Sarah Macaucaly’s lobbying firm ?

    We have a right to know…

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    concrete pump says:

    ‘Dave has come out in full support for minimum pricing on booze’.

    Fuck off Dave!

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    Nick2 says:

    Cameron’s chosen to continue the Nu Lab policy of punishing the majority (of law-abiding drinkers, in this instance) to tackle a perceived problem with a minority of drinkers.

    Good luck trying to gild that public order initiative with a coating of health concern or ‘repairing the nation’s finances’…

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    Spin Doctard says:

    Dave is “very supportive” of sunshine and kittens.
    It’s meaningless.
    You’ve fallen for bullshit spin again haven’t you Fawkes ?

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    Fu**ed off says:

    Why can’t these bastard nannying busybodies just fuck off and die. Leave me alone you Hunts.

    If I want to smoke and drink myself to an early grave that is my prerogative.

    Fuck off!

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    John Thomas says:

    I do hope that it is applied to the HoC bars just imagine no members getting totally rat and legislating on our behalf ( of course they could always be breathalysed before entering the chamber those over the limit fined a days pay one way to reduce the deficit, you know MPs doing their bit ) but I am not holding my breath.

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    Anonymous says:

    Great, you do that, but why should other people have to wipe up your vomit, wipe your backside and dry you out, if you go down in the gutter just make sure that there is a label on on you jacket “to be where fallen”

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    Imagine John Prescott without Bulimia says:

    What made you think you live in a democracy?

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    Doctor Mick says:

    Don’t worry, 50p a unit will sort that problem out.

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    sockpuppet #4 says:

    What a nob. as in “nob ed” as one might have learned to spell it in the bogs of a bog standard comp.

    I bet he’s never ever paid less than a quid per unit.

    Now, I’d usually avoid the class warfare beartrap, but the proposal only works for poor people who are “problem drînkers”, people who live on a different planet to Dave. £4.50 on a bottle of wine won’t stop most people. (I never buy spirits … are they >£15 ? )

    Eeh never mind. He’ll dump the idea when no-one is looking.

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    Anonymous says:

    ASH – recipients of an enormous amount of taxpayers cash – fit into this category. I saw that Smokefree NW were funding this alcohol push too. What the hell have they got to do with alcohol, and who signed off that project? One other thing: charities can only use PRIVATELY GENERATED funds to lobby Government with. For ASH Scotland last year that worked out as being around £40k. Considering how active they are in the lobbying world, they should be in high demand if they can generate all that work for so little cash. Or did they use some of the £900k+ funds that the Scottish Government handed them? This madness must stop once and for all!!!!!!

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    too much information says:

    I once drank so much I shit the bed in a Torquay B&B

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    MinimumPricingMyArse says:

    If it can’t pull in any voters for the Cons then it will be another bandwagon he’ll jump off.

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    sockpuppet #4 says:

    Much as I do think this is bloody ridiculous, for most of the time, most of us don’t spend less than 50p/unit on alcohol.

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    LaxativesAreUs says:

    Shitting a bed, painful,

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    Voice of Treason says:

    I believe the proposed byelaw by Great Manchester will be illegal under competition and discrimination laws. I just hope the drinks industry and supermarkets launch a legal challenge if this nanny council try to bring this in.

    Why the hell should ordinary, low to moderate income, drinkers suffer because of drunken young sods who go clubbing and can’t control themselves! This would penalise everybody because of their behaviour. And if it only happened in the Greater Manchester area drinkers would simply go over the borders to buy their booze.

    Trust the fucking millionaire Cameron to suppport this idea he won’t be affected at all.

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    Schrödinger's cat says:

    Wine £1.46 a bottle here and I mean full bodied red wine – not the cheap stuff. Cheers!

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    I accept I am a vacuous, shreiking, gobshyte cunt, Sally Bercow says:

    Fucking Tory filth!

    Trying to price hard working fucking schoolkids out of fucking alcohol is a fucking disgrace.
    What’s next you Tory filth?
    Are you going to suggest fucking borderline alcoholic, obese adults take fucking responsibility for their bodies, and fucking life choices?

    You fucking disgust me!

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    Post Democratic Britain says:

    Government sock puppet ‘charitees’ screaming for evermore government. What an utterly corrupt shithole of a country. The political classes deserve everything that’s coming their way.

  25. 25
    Schrödinger's cat says:

    Hope you are right. Where do we come, to seek compensation from you, if you are not?

  26. 26

    Guido, must you allow sheep who have been date-raped by Liberal councilors to post here?

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    Genghiz the Kahn says:

    Excise duty is linked to the strength of the beer, cider. The stronger the beer, the more tax you pay.

    “Rate £ per hectolitre per cent of alcohol in the 17.32″.

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    Let them drink Dom Pérignon says:

    Will this price limit apply in the Houses of Parliament? Or will there be another get out clause for themselves?

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    MI7 says:

    “Trying to price hard working fucking schoolkids out of fucking alcohol is a fucking disgrace.”

    Oh yes lets price kids can out of alcohol so they’ll switch to dodgy E’s cut with rat poison when they will *inevitably* start experimenting with getting wasted. Use your brain for once.

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    Anonymous says:

    Doc Mick, I doubt that very much, it’s an addiction if they are an alchy they do anything to get totally rat if they haven’t got the money they pinch it as would a druggie.

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    It's not authoritarian when the Tories do it says:

    How lucky we are to have the Tory party to benevolently guide us through the trials of life.

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    Do not feed the mongs says:

    Morning conservative mongs.hows your hopey changey thing going now.

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    Gunchester says:

    we are going to have a fire 6 shots in the air protest about this

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    MI7 says:

    Just seen on sky news that we could soon be paying £4 a pint. What a fucking disgrace, do they think UK is Monaco or something?

    I forsee a massive rise of organised crime when people start buying bootleg liqour like they did back in the US during the 30s Prohibition.

    It’s alright for these lefty Hunts on the taxpayers payroll who earn a good wage for doing mainly fuck all to lecture us not to drink. Some of us have to do real jobs that we don’t like and need to get pissed at the weekend because it’s the only escapism we have from a life with very limited oppurtunities.

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    You are pushing me too far says:

    Right, that’s it. I’m building a still and growing my own tobacco. I’m sick of these poxy control freaks. I work my arse off and simply want a pint and fag to relax.
    I will also do my upmost not to pay any more tax to this stinking Government.

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    concrete pump says:

    Who the fuck are you calling a ‘conservative’?

    Take that back.

  37. 37
    ERA says:

    Are you up for joining the rebel army yet?

  38. 38
    Mad, Bad & Dangerous Gordon McRuin says:

    Better than it was under me !!!

  39. 39
    concrete pump says:

    Paying £3.85 where i am already.

  40. 40
    ED-209 says:

    Bastardos whats wrong with pints and gallons….wheres me gun

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    Picket your local conservative and make his life a misery says:

    tried tobacco,its shite.

  42. 42
    Schrödinger's cat says:

    He has not got the capacity to understand, concrete. Like all thick сunts.

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    Little Boy Blue says:

    Forget it- If the MPs think it will cost them more in the House of Commons bar it will not get implemented. Not unless they can pass an amendment making them exempt.

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    Just read the B*NP manifesto and it sounds good. says:

    Fuck this I never asked for fascism but that’s what I;m getting so next time I’m voting B*NP

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    anonymous says:

    he’s becoming more of a twat everyday

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    sockpuppet #4 says:

    woweee. ridiculous units (but actually 100l * % = litres of pure alcohol).

    So basically tax is 17p/unit on beer, 23p/unit on spirits.
    17p/unit for a 13% red.

    5p/unit for still cider of 7.5% – so theres still a big scrumpy-discount (but not if its fizzy).

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    OnAnonAnon says:

    Fucking right. Keep your fangs in this one Guido, we’re 100% behind you. These bastards need taking DOWN!!!

  48. 48
    Cts like rats are vermin says:

    I’m going to microwave a few cats today in your honour

  49. 49
    Schrödinger's cat says:

    Thought it was the rite of back passage for Liberal councilors?

  50. 50
    Schrödinger's twat says:

    I;m voting labour next time.

  51. 51
    Schrödinger's cat says:

    But you will not be able to know whether, or not, they are dead, until the box is opened……

  52. 52
    anonymous says:

    you know it’s gettin like, well, imagine like Englands new footy team last night – elect a government run by new parties but who chose Brown, Straw, Harman and Balls to be in it innit?

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    Anonymous says:

    Not just the left. Plenty of po-faced wankers on the right too.

    I’m sure there’s more than a few employers for instance that would love the chance to exercise greater control over their employees lives by restricting drinking.

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    Wheelie Bin says:

    WRAP is a government funded body that lobbies local councils on recycling issues. The ten year budget is over £800 million. Why should central tax payer money be wasted seeking to influence local councillors?

    Pickles should enforce the policy, not get another quango to waste £800 million.

    FFS, how many more examples like this are there?

  55. 55
    Alky Ada says:

    fancy a kamikazi belt brother

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    The EUSSR Blues says:

    Think you live in a democracy?

    Think again.

  58. 58
    Cons condem themselves says:

    Its making him look what he is ….a simple twat

  59. 59
    Schrödinger's cat says:

    They’ll have at least one vote then.

  60. 60
    Schrödinger's cat says:

    shuk u fuk u, as well.

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    AbleTheSpaceMonkey says:

    We live in a postdemocratic society ruled by a progressive intelligentsia, the people are just too stupid to be allowed choice. Our recent studies show the public to be utterly confused by choices of jam, let alone choice of sensible drinking habits. It is unkind to offer simpletons cheap alcohol.

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    Warnings says:

    Go in any pub by me and mention the government and you get long faces and silence. mention revolution and hanging them and the place comes alive.says it all.

  63. 63
    Schrödinger's cat says:

    shuk u fuk u, as well. (was meant for here)

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    Schrödinger's cat says:

    Sorry. Think of this as an extra.

  65. 65
    Spin Doctard says:

    You can seek compensation right now in the following phrase,
    “Go fuck yourself, you pompous twat”
    Feel better ?

  66. 66
    Fucking Barstewards says:

    Nick Griffin is an amateur compared to the big three in fascism.

  67. 67
    Schrödinger's rat says:

    I was due to do an experiment but had to get out – couldn’t stand the stench of all that faux socialism.

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    eat shit radioavtive moggie says:

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    Fucking Barstewards says:

    They never think that far ahead in their world they think we will all sit around the campfire holding hands until reality hits and they find themselves hanging from the nearest tree or lampost thanks to we baying mobs.

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    HappyUK says:

    My problem is that the state already gets huge amounts of revenue from things like alcohol, gambling and cigarettes.

    Addictions produce crime and misery. Many addicts get into impossible situations. If you have a large group of people who are addicted to say alcohol or drugs, you’ll have more crime.

    I think for the government to prey on its citizens through taxation on booze, fags and the bookies is cynical.

    Anybody or any politician that is interested in introducing more pubs, clubs and casinos is basically interested in transferring large amounts of money to the state.

    I think the National Lottery is just as bad. Like other forms of gambling I think it’s cynical on the part of the state to raise money from people who basically can’t afford it by promising them a dream that is not going to come true for any but the tiniest tiniest fraction.

    But this publicly funded lobbying is awful if true. The state is meant to do things for its citizens not do things to it’s citizens.

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    concrete pump says:

    extra twattery from a fuckwit

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    Whining tories got what they deserve says:

    so don’t work.

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    Fucking Barstewards says:

    Of course there will be, these fuckers have never lived a day in our lives following the same rules that we have to.

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    Engineer says:

    There have been for some time. Fifteen years ago, my employer banned booze from the premises (a large engineering design office). Anybody suspected of being a bit less than sober was sent home for the day, and faced a telling-off the following day. The railways will discipline anybody in a safety-critical position found to be over the limit, and airline pilots face similar rules. Hard to see why anybody would object, really.

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    Catdog says:

    are you still here

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    concrete pump says:

    Get your own NDP.

    Pathetic troll.

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    Jibber says:

    Ranting moggie loses it

  79. 79
    Bill Clinton says:

    Sorry MI7 no they won’t.

    Next biggie is Crystal Meth, all the ingredients are legal to buy & can be cooked up in a domestic microwave.
    The instructions are on the net.

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    T shirt Printers says:

    I like that last sentence,its going on one of my t shirts for sale on ebay.

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    Fucking Barstewards says:

    Fuck them leave the country, they will tax middle class whitey to death to fund his own extinction. Once everyone stops smoking and drinking do you think they will stop taxing? Will they bollox, they will find something new to tax.

    They are addicted to it.

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    ReichFuhrer Medizinaldirektor of ‘Elf says:


    You know we’re RIGHT!

    And if you don’t, you soon will.

    Anyway, have you completed your

    1. alchohol consumption returns this week? – how much you have bought / comsumed / excreted (that means pissed to you proles)?

    2. shit excretion returns this week? – how many stools excreted consciously and how many as squirters?

    3. Etc

    Oh yeah – and have you been to the clap clinic lately for a check up? – better had or we’ll revoke your driving licence!

    Heil das EUSSR!

    Heil das Rumpy-Pumpy

    Heil das CamerTwat

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    Peasant says:

    “the Health Secretary who has comprehensively rejected minimum pricing”

    Lansley is a hypocrite. In the Conserative policy document on public health published before the election one of his policies was minimum pricing of booze. That was yet another reason (amongst many) why I didn’t vote Tory.

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    Mzzz. ‘Mad’ HaHaPerson, + other Noo_Lie_Bore Wimmin ‘n Clitorati, at the NLB Fund Raising Cake Stall says:

    Luvverly Cream Pies over here lads.

    You choose which one.

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    Bill Clinton says:

    Here’s a suggestion.

    Treble the tax on supermarket booze & reduce it by 2/3’s in pubs. Keep the pub trade alive & force the antisocials to drink in a controlled environment. If the Fed’s back the policy up with a drinking licence for all over 18 year olds that works the same way as a driving licence (i.e 3 points for drunk & disorderly) it might lead to social drinking habits coming back again.

    Oh & ban Red Bull from pubs, the smell makes me gag.

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    My Cup Runneth Over says:

    Can you be breathalysed when holding your breath?

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    My Cup Runneth Over says:

    Where’s “here”? I hope “full-bodied” doesn’t mean the stuff is as rough as a bear’s arse.

    We need to be told.

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    Catwoman says:

    Cats must be destroyed

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    MI7 says:

    True, I’ve spoken to people raving about how good crystal meth is. never tried it myself yet ;-) I heard it’s like smoking crack but lasts about 7 hours. It’s definitely rearing its head in the UK.

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    MI7 says:

    £3.85 ?? where do you live concrete?

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    MI7 says:

    “so don’t work.”

    Words of wisdom

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    Scrap QUANGOs, EUSSR Law, AlJaBeeba, - and 13 years of Noo_Lie_Bore waste, bullshit & PC Bollocks says:

    And CUT TAXES on smokes and booze while actually applying the law to yobbery and slag vomiting!!

    FFS just do it!

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    MI7 says:

    When ‘they’ are hanging from trees and lamposts then i’ll quite happily sit round campfires holding hands with my contemparies – while getting pissed

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    Grumpy Old Man says:

    “progressive intelligentsia”. Is that the latest oxymoron? “progressive useful idiots” I could live with.

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    My Cup Runneth Over says:

    You surely didn’t suppose that a change of government meant that we would no longer be patronised by a bunch of people supposedly our “betters”, did you?

    “Plus ça change, plus c’est la même chose”

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    concrete pump says:

    Don’t like to give my exact co-ordinates, but i’m close to the Thames in Berks.

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    Licensed to steal says:

    legal criminal

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    MI7 says:

    labour and conservative = two hands of the same body.

    both are controlled by the same unseen forces

  99. 99
    MI7 says:

    You don’t pay tax at the bookies anymore. Winnings from gambling are tax free.

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    Grumpy Old Man says:

    It counts as “failing to give a sample”. The Stasi hold that to be just as bad as being ratarsed.

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    Whining tories got what they deserve says:

    Why thank you

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    We can see them says:

    er Rupert Murdoch,Rothschilds.

  103. 103
    Voice of Treason says:

    I wish I could write in Italian.

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    MI7 says:

    Ok I take it you’r somewhere in the greenbelt. Might explain why you’r paying £3.85 for pint then. That’s alot though. I live in Nottingham city and the average is £2.70 or so. You only pay £3.85 here at the most expensive bars, though the price is justified because the women you find at these types of venues are league above everywhere else in the city.

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    Socialism Ate My Future says:

    But punishing the majority for the minority isn`t the way really is it?

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    G Rants 4 Funds says:

    I am like Dave Cameron.He has never done an honest days toil in his life.

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    Nay says:

    If only you had used a different moniker I could have agreed.

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    Socialism Ate My Future says:

    They`ve said that for years even when I was *cough* popping E`s but most “Clubbers” are quite sensible in the fact that they know how bad da meth is innit :P

    Now ket…….

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    wafflers R Us says:

    They are not going to hang themselves

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    Nick2 says:

    I believe that the base material (google it!) is only available here in quantities of 180mg per purchase – unless you know some North Koreans related to those recently caught with 20 tons of the stuff…

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    Mr Ned says:

    A more accurate description would be a corporatocracy.

    The state and multinational corporations merged in delivering Government services and controlling the people.

    Another term for corporatocracy is fascism.

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    Socialism Ate My Future says:

    Erm think your on the wrong site, If you want hopey dopey change go catch up with ya brudda Obama he`s doing awfully well across the pond.

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    Grumpy Old Man says:

    Making your own beer and cider is still legal. Distilling is not and carries heavy penalties, but I understand that some use a large chest freezer to store their beer and cider.

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    Socialism Ate My Future says:

    Make your own, after a while the taste is ok beats sitting in a piss smelling pub.

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    Nick2 says:

    If you think that the lib dems have some scary supporters you’ll be aghast at some of the B*N*P ones…

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    Government by gang way says:

    Why is it legal for the government to pay this organisation,seems to me that its a way of siphoning cash to them.Who can investigate it? The cops? no way they are the tool of them.So what do we have here then ? Everything with the evidence is take take take,there is no give.Extortion! A mafia tax system,were you are bled dry.They never stop but always want more more more.

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    Nick2 says:

    High taxes=> increase in informal supply/home production/unregistered sales & distribution + loss of excise duty for HMG!

    Well done ‘Dave’ – another knee-jerk policy that will achieve the opposite of what was intended – truly you are the Heir to Blair (and Brown)…

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    Nick2 says:

    MPs are always exempt from the crap that they impose on the rest of us – by design (formal amendment) or by practice. Which public servant, other than very brave/very stupid ones would investigate/arrest/charge a serving cabinet minister for example?

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    Nick2 says:

    Please no more.

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    Bill Clinton says:

    Well I’m actually Pete Taylor. Hows that?

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    Seth the pig farmer says:

    If you are concened about the negative impacts of drinking than one solution is to increase the cost of alcohol duty and then reduce tax on pub profits by and equivalent amount.

    Combine this with laws against discounting alcohol by more than a fixed percentage and advertising alcolhol discounts in the media, and it would move the sale of alcohol from off-licences to pubs.

    Obviously it would affect those who do not live near a pub or would rather sit on a park bench drinking themselves into a stupor, but it seems to me a more liberal way of addressing the problem.

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    Mr Ned says:

    I agree with Dave on this one.

    Perhaps we will see fewer pubs closing if the supermarkets stop selling lager at 50p a pint.

    Cheap booze is never a good idea. Unless you are an alcoholic.

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    Anonymous says:

    the real concrete pump has a link dumb dumb

    pathetic tosser

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    concrete pump says:

    concrete pump has 2 IP’s, one at work, which comes from a server, which allows me to post links with my NDP.
    The other IP comes from my home address, which does not have a clickable link on my moniker.

    77 is the real concrete pump.

    I appreciate your concern.

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    Mr Ned says:

    I fully and wholeheartedly support this move to increase the price of alcohol.

    The simple answer to it is to not drink alcohol. Try it, you may save a fortune and get healthy at the same time!

    Nobody is forcing you to drink alcohol. It is an entirely unnecessary thing.

    I hope in another 20 years that alcohol abuse will be considered as socially repulsive as smoking is today.

    Alcohol abuse is far worse for society than smoking, or cannabis abuse.

    It is amazing how many people consider themselves to be “responsible drinkers” and are at home drinking whilst their teenage kids are out getting pissed and wrecking town centres.

    To those I say, Instead of getting pissed at home, LOOK AFTER YOUR DAMN KIDS PROPERLY!

    I do NOT want alcohol to be outlawed, just taxed heavily. Whilst they are about it, they should legalise and tax narcotics and prostitution. They could wipe out our deficit in 2 years if they did that!

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    Mr Ned says:

    Alcohol is REALLY your only escapism? Then that is a massive failure of your own imagination then.

    You sad failure.

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    Must get a pseudonym one day says:

    As long as we can’t smoke in them, pubs will continue to close. Booze price is merely a sideshow.

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    Mr Ned says:

    I agree with that idea. We need to help pubs become booming and flourishing centres of the community.

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    My Cup Runneth Over says:

    So do I.

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    How could they says:

    How dare the NHS try and improve our health……

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    An Englishman says:

    But it might divert some kids from the path to addiction.

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    Must get a pseudonym one day says:

    Why should the drinks industry or supermarkets launch a legal challenge ?

    It’s not a new tax, it’s a minimum price. That just means an end to competition and loads of extra profit – they’d be like turkeys voting for an early Christmas.

    This may just be one area where the EUSSR rules come in useful.

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    MI7 says:

    no not my only escapsim, but for many people it is.

    God, meditation and scripture is also my escapism. That’s my weekday escapism or rather aspiration. Alcohol is my weekend escapism.

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    An Englishman says:

    If it prevents future tax being spent on dealing wth the consequences of over-use of alcohol then it’s safeguarding the tax-paying majority, not punishing it.

    No-one needs to drink alcohol (not even alcoholics). If they want to, then they should accept responsibility for the consequences – and that means footing the bill for the increased burden they place on the NHS.

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    one doesnt need an ip address to have a link.

    And one’s home ip address is likely to change every day (probably only by a few digits)

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    HappyUK says:

    Like baking your own bread most cannot be arsed but it’s fairly easy to do:

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    davemcwish says:

    The screenshot in the clip above looks like it’s from ‘War Games’. Ahh the good old 80’s fictional paranoia…..

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    Unfortunately, to the nannyist and progressive, ‘for’ and ‘to’ are interchangeable, as everything done to the citizen is ultimately justified as being for their own good.

    With any of the current crop of politicians in charge, this will not change.

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    Postlethwaite says:

    Minimum pricing might work in Scotland as it is too far to motor to Dover and pick up cheap booze in France.

    er haven’t we been here before . . ?


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    Postlethwaite says:

    Did he say it was a concrete promise = not going to happen ??


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    Postlethwaite says:

    That’s what he pays the following for
    40 pct tax
    12 pct employers
    10 pct employees Nat insurance and
    17 1/2 pct vat on whats left – soon to be 20 pct
    And pension contributions
    and tax
    and tax
    and tax

    We pay for a nanny state, why shouldn’t we get a nanny state??

  142. 142
    Postlethwaite says:

    Not drinking MAY make you live longer.
    In any case it will seem much longer


    All together now

    Smiling permits (taxed) will be avaialble every day between 4.00 a.m. and 4.01 a.m. every Sunday.

    We shall tax them on the beaches,
    We shall tax them in the air
    We shall tax them in the Counties

    We shall set up stills
    We shall buy shares in home brewing companies

  143. 143
    Postlethwaite says:

    Norway the home of highly taxed alcohol

    and of homebrew

  144. 144
    Postlethwaite says:

    When have you ever seen a government decrease tax? Are you drunk??


  145. 145
    A Fine Pair Of Lungs! says:

    Some people have their heads well and truly stuck up their own arse! They are so full of shit they can’t tell fact from fiction. Strangely enough in my experience they all share name Alison! They are thieving lying scammers who fill your head with bullshit. Healthscares! Anymore of these idiots interfere in My Life not Ours have the police to deal with!

  146. 146
    Schrödinger's cat says:

    @conrete pump (the real one of course). I know, as do most of us here, the real you, as opposed to the sockpuppet. They can steal your name but not your style.

  147. 147
    Schrödinger's cat says:

    No box. Experiment invalid.

  148. 148
    Schrödinger's cat says:

    FAIL. No earlier random event.

  149. 149
    Schrödinger's cat says:

    Across the Adriatic from Venice. It’s a hard job but someone has to do it.

  150. 150
    Schrödinger's cat says:

    “Feel better ?”

    The thought that I might have got right up your nose has really made my day, troll.

  151. 151
    Health Fascists says:

    I am all for improving the nations health. It is the way they go about it I have a problem with! Lying, smearing, bullying, harassment, exploitation, scaremongering, taking away choices, taking away freedoms etc. Yes it goes on and I refuse to go along with this! So if any of these fascist mess with me they get reported to the police. I have absolutely no respect for these lying, scamming, scaremongering idiots!

  152. 152
    Mr Ned says:

    Fair enough.

    Please accept my apologies for calling you a sad failure.

    Anyone whose only recourse to escapism is through alcohol is a sad failure.

  153. 153
    Anonymous says:

    How many are capable of giving a sample after a 3 hour luch

  154. 154
    MI7 says:

    apology accepted mr ned :)

  155. 155
    ItsAlreadyTooLate says:

    Who knows, when beer is too expensive to buy it will be worth brewing your own, then Government will put extra tax on kits/yeast to make up for the loss of revenue.

  156. 156
    IfYouBelieveThatYou'llBelieveAnything says:

    But the next Health Secretary might impose minimum pricing, whatever the ConDems said before, during and after the General Election can be taken with a pinch of salt, or whatever they are sticking up their nose.

  157. 157
    Care 2 Share says:

    A Verruca going viral at a swimming bath near you.

  158. 158

    THey are just trying to spoil our funnnnn!!

  159. 159
    Angry Squaddie says:

    If they up the tax on kits and yeast, I’ll buy apple juice and bakers yeast and make turbo cider. Fuck them. As soon as my next batch of wine is ready, not one more penny of my money is going to the government in alcohol duty.

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