August 10th, 2010

Dave’s Sponge Avengers

So Dave has finally done it, he is actually lifted a government policy from the first episode of the Thick of It with the creation of the Snooper Force, or is that Sponge Avengers? However noble the pursuit of hunting scroungers, the end does not justify the means. The government trawling any private data should immediately start to ring alarm bells.

Just months ago Dave and Nick were singing from a very different hymn sheet at their infamous Rose Garden press conference. What did they offer?

“…a full programme of measures to reverse the substantial erosion of civil liberties under the Labour government and roll back state intrusion.”

It seems like only an election ago that Clegg and Cameron were promising to end ID cards and the enchroachments of the database state. Where does snooping on innocent people’s credit card transactions fit into that?


266 Comments

  1. 1
    Sir William Waad says:

    If you tolerate this, your credit card will be next,

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    • 34
      Dave's Big Idea: spy on poor people while he sips champagne says:

      First the Tories will snatch your job and then they will spy on you to make sure you aren’t getting more than 54 quid a week dole money.
      Big society?
      Yeah, it’ll be a big society alright, a big shanty town cardboard box society.

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      • 37
        Anonymous says:

        The shanty town has already started at Heathrow.

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        • 154
          KA-CHING! says:

          Selling off the private details of millions of credit card transactions will make the private companies who get this crontract a fortune.

          And which MP’s were lobbied and which MPs even be involved in the running of those private companies ?

          I’ll let you guess.

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          • WAKE UP says:

            I was a marxist till I realized how the meerkat had stopped the War mongering uniform wearing types in their tracks. Sorry lads the game is over. No more fighting we will all have to get on now. We might even legalise Drugs and have the revenue directed into the revenues coffers and not into some Secret Government Agency. Like the America CIA have for the Last 40 year. They must be making a fortune in Afghanistan off the Smack.. We might see less of the bullying POLICE STATE

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          • WAKE UP FROM YOUR WANKPITAT says:

            fuck off thick arse thives you drug crazed nutter

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          • Lord Taylor 'tried to aid credit-rating agencies access to business' says:

            http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/politics/article5601428.ece

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          • TwatMagnet says:

            Wrong.

            They are already in the private sector, what the fuck do you think Visa & Mastercard are?

            As for Equifax and Experian, every time someone uses their credit card, a rating is passed to these guys.

            The only fishing trips done already are when your card is used in Nigeria when it shouldn’t be or when someone clones your identity.

            You don’t fucking complain then do you?

            Fraud is fraud.

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          • KA-CHING! says:

            But a list of the details of millions culled from many different credit cards aren’t in the private sector are they ?

            You fucking halfwit.

            Another polyanna twat who doesn’t think there’s a black market in information or that unscrupulous companies sell the data on for vast sums.

            You live in your little dreamworld whle the rest of us have to live in the real world. Where fraud is one of the least prosecuted crimes in the country.

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      • 88
        Moaty says:

        I would have shot his face off for you all.

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        • 96
          Moaty Blew His Own Head Off What A Mug says:

          Get back in your grave Moaty.

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          • Anonymous says:

            With an attitude like that you will be one of the first up against the wall when the shit really hits the fan – and it will.

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          • Malice Cooper says:

            Why would Baldrick Burnham hit the fan? I didn’t know he had any.

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          • Anonymous is Moaty's Gay Lover says:

            Anonymous, get back in your grave with your gay lover Moaty.

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          • Anonymous says:

            Moaty the poofta.

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          • Swamp Creature says:

            Howay, wor Moaty, laike man, y’kna? Yous call me dad a queer and me mam a friggin’ lezza? NAY bastard calls me dad a queer. Nah me mam a friggin’ lezza. Yous fucken soft as shite, yous fucken mackem bastard when the fucken boat comes in, laike man, y’kna? Woar, aye.

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          • Anonymous says:

            All this repressed homosexuality really gets to you in the end!

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    • 57
      Arse gratia artis says:

      No, it is a good idea.

      Anybody who receives taxpayers’ money should be audited by the taxpayers with whatever mean possible. If you want to keep your privacy, don’t suck at the taxpayer teat.

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      • 73
        Here Come the Camerloons says:

        So let us do a full audit of the bankers then.
        Bloody good idea.
        Never mind mucking about with this 1billion pound that is lost to benefit fraudsters, let us have a full disclosure and audit regarding the 200billion we have pumped into the banking system.

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      • 86
        Anonymous says:

        Yup, Arse gratia, absolutely right; & the audit should start with the members of both houses of parliament.

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      • 119
        shite for brains says:

        I agree entirely.

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      • 183
        Hugh Janus says:

        Yes, got it in one.

        Whilst I understand that this may involve a degree of ‘snooping’ (for want of a better word) and I would be the first to applaud the rolling back of McBust’s client state, I wonder what scheme Guido would like to suggest if he is so against this one?

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      • 201
        Shit Creek says:

        Thats the Queen and all the other hangers on up Shit Creek

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    • 84
      Ed Balls (music hall entertainer) says:

      ‘ere, what’s 12 inches long and dangles between Cameron’s legs?

      Nick Clegg’s tie.

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    • 159
      Anonymous says:

      Just so disappointing.

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    • 167
      Anonymous says:

      This is ok as long as it is restricted to those who are supported by the tax payer and not used to pry into the affairs of anyone who takes their fancy. Which it probably will be:-(

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    • 257
      Anonymous says:

      Its not exactly private data is it? Its available to anyone who has a few quid to spare. Suggest you read the details of an Experian subscription.

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  2. 2
    Gone Fuckin mental says:

    Meet the new boss same as the old bosss

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    • 11
      Tony E says:

      Too fucking right!

      That said though, these credit rating agencies probably know more about you than you do, and although they are prone to inaccuracies and picking up frauds, I know my wife uses one all the time (and she’s an accountant). It picks up any unusual transactions within minutes and E-mails her nd has caught a cloning fraud for us in the past.

      If this info is already out there, you can guarantee that government could already access it if it wanted. The difference is that now it’s out in the open. If they have legitimate suspicion of benefit fraud and there is a judicial process, I guess I would reluctantly swallow it.
      I wouldn’t be too keen on HMRC using it in tax cases though, especially for small businessmen and the self employed or I think a huge many people would face huge costs proving their innocence.

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      • 19
        Grumpy Old Man says:

        Good point, and to road-test the system the government has a target group of curremt and former MP’s and working peers close at hand ready for Experian to sharpen their claws on.

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      • 55
        Fu**ed off says:

        Are these ‘credit rating agencies’ related to the ‘credit rating’ experts Fitchs and the S&Ps of this world?

        They didn’t see the shitstorm engulfing the banks running up to crash. Why should their expensive expertise be trusted (and PAID FOR BY YOU) any more? They’re bottom feeders.

        Get a proper fucking job you arseholes.

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        • 129
          Andy Burnhams tiny bit of brain says:

          No. Totally different companies and a totally different process. I know this is a site for pointed comment but a bit of brain would not go amiss.

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        • 209
          sockpuppet #4 says:

          Nope. They are the credit agencies that probably think you’re a bad credit risk if you’ve never bothered with a credit card or loan.

          They might know you exist if you are a regular earner or spender with a bank account (but that didnt used to be the case).

          They won’t know much about you at all if your transactions are in cash.

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          • TwatMagnet says:

            Believe me, if all your transactions are in cash, you’ll be on an MI5 watch-list quicker than you can say I’m Osama Bin Laden’s ladyboy arse-bitch.

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  3. 3
    Tim Lovejoy says:

    Hi , My names Tim Lovejoy and i am a BBC legend who likes snooping on your credit cards . I thank you .

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  4. 4
    Jim Garner MP says:

    Hi

    I’m Jim Garner

    Globally known candidate for Labour Leader

    I have already lost

    But continue to advertise on Guideo’s blog…

    Because something weird is going on…

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  5. 5

    I hope they look into Lady Skint’s spending habbits, she won’t tell me a bloody thing!

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  6. 6
    Chutney Cupboard says:

    does my bum look big in this?

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  7. 7
    Gone Fuckin mental says:

    They havent learned a single fuckin thing have they ?

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    • 101
      Anonymous says:

      Yes they have but by pretending not to they can carry on with the fiddling, thieving, hooning & enriching their personal wealth.

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  8. 8
    Taxfodder says:

    On benefit fraud David Cameron said: “It’s quite wrong that there are people in our society who will behave like this. But we will not shrug our shoulders and let them get away with it any longer. We will take the necessary measures to stop fraud happening in the first place; root out and take tough action against those found committing fraud; and make sure the stolen money is paid back.”

    Where is the tough action on the 90% of MP’s that committed EXPENSES FRAUD????

    Some kicking and screaming paid cash they stole back and only four charged with fraud….WHITEWASH!

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  9. 9
    Brownian Motions says:

    I may have left the House, but I have left my stench behind and they have learned well my odious methods.

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  10. 10
    Kerry McCarthy says:

    I would like to talk about labia reduction techniques.

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  11. 12
    David Cameron says:

    A new day has dawned.
    Has it not?

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  12. 13
    Gordon Brown says:

    I will make a statement about this to the house on Wedensday.

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  13. 14
    Clare Balding says:

    FFS I thought you were still wearing your saddle!

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  14. 15
    Spoon Bender says:

    The Labour party & Labour media Luvvies are spongers. Start with them then work down!

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  15. 16
    sickoftheseuselesswankers says:

    useless fuckwits dont have a clue stop giving immigrants housing and money and start deporting anything else is liberal tosh fucking useless liberal Huntfucks

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    • 62
      Anonymous says:

      So you maybe open to persuasion on this then ?

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      • 79
        sickoftheseuselesswankers says:

        its not just this though is it dave has broken pretty much every promise he made apart from cutting jobs and raising taxes the fucking Hunt i am sick of these fuckers

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        • 155
          Shoot your eye out says:

          Are you by any chance one of the Basildon sickoftheseuselesswankers? If so I knew your nanny, Dick Sniffin.

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  16. 17
    Geoff Hoon says:

    Please dont forget i am a utter Hoon .

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  17. 18
    CLOSING DOWN ON BENEFIT CHEATS LIKE DAVE AND GIDEON says:

    Never mind snooping on peasants who claim benefits they may not be entitled to but nonetheless keep them out of abject poverty and ironically even more dependent upon the state, what about down stamping down on loansharks, bailiffs and wheel clampers.
    Dave’s an idiot.
    It really is that simple.

    And if he wants to have a clamp down on benefit cheats he only has to go next door, Osborne was fraudulently claiming housing benefit for years, as was Cameron.

    Millioniares claiming state subsidies for housing: whoever heard of such a thing?

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  18. 21
    Gone Fuckin mental says:

    Can we have a fresh election ?

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  19. 22

    Down the line, this legislation is going to be enforced by the sort of scum who like being bailiffs and wheel clampers.

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    • 163
      Unsworth says:

      The scum are always with us. Some are even giving evidence in the Hague.

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    • 168
      An Informer on Every Corner says:

      Bailiffs already operate “in partnership” with the police ANPR Cameras and enforce fines and court order collection, from the information gathered by them, with their fee’s added of course. The Camerclegg revolution thinks that is entirely appropriate too.

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  20. 23
    Nick2 says:

    Guido, the first reports of the review policy looked bad. However, it looks (from the Labourgraph article) that Experian will trawl through their own data to identify inconsistencies of invisibly funded expenditure (indicating undeclared sources of income). It’s still unpleasant, and since every claimant will be credit checked, the Benefits Agency/DSS/dole agency will have an up-to-date record of each claimant’s financial obligations (but presumably not a complete list of their monthly expenditure, including non financial items).

    The real question is how HMG will use the Experian reports. If someone’s report lists a specific credit card/bank account, are HMG going to investigate it periodically? Also, what is a ‘benefit claimant’? Someone who is claiming JSA, or a newly retired pensioner?

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  21. 24
    M H says:

    Next thing they’ll have Andy Coulson tapping everyone’s phones to see if anyone’s getting too much child tax credit.

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  22. 25
    David Cameron says:

    A new day.
    Has dawned.
    Has it not?

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  23. 28
    Tony Blair says:

    Things can only get better

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  24. 29
    Troughing Hoons R US! says:

    Seriously! What a bunch of hypocritica£ troughing hoons!

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  25. 30
    TogetherMyArse says:

    When is Dave going to go after the tax evaders?

    http://citywire.co.uk/new-model-adviser/tax-evasion-costs-treasury-15-times-more-than-benefit-fraud/a378274

    Are we all in this together?

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    • 65
      sickoftheseuselesswankers says:

      some are in it more than others ie not mp scumsucking hypocrites and bankers

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      • 179
        The Lords and Quango backhander recipients says:

        Please don’t forget us, we need protecting from those prying and privacy raping credit ratings bounty hunters!

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    • 68
      rusty dave says:

      errr….no, we are not. You are poor.

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    • 78
      Legal Beagle says:

      and the Non Doms like Blair FFS…

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    • 132
      Sir William Waad says:

      They admit that their figures are guesswork:

      “Because of the difficulties in measuring fraud
      across all sectors of the UK, a balance must be
      struck between accuracy and comprehensiveness.
      In order to ensure this fraud measure is more
      comprehensive than previous centralised estimates,
      the NFA has calculated its figures using targeted
      measurement exercises and expert estimates to
      fill significant gaps where data was unavailable.”

      The answer is, yes, they do go after tax evasion, but most of the Revenue’s energy is devoted to harrassing legitimate private businesses that get lost in the tangled thickets of the tax legislation. They rarely after big business (too well defended, too well connected) or nasty people who deal only in cash and keep large dogs.

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  26. 32
    Steve B says:

    Disagree Guido, nobody forces you to receive means-tested benefits so it’s not a civil liberty issue.

    If you want to avoid the intrusion stand on your own two feet. For the valid needy this should be a non-issue – just the price required to receive benefits.

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    • 42
      Heather Mills says:

      That’s easy for you to say.

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    • 47
      Did you know says:

      Douglas Bader had artificial legs but real feet!

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    • 49
      If Steve's Job is Snatched By Osborne He will be Whistling A Different Tune says:

      It is difficult for people to stand on their own two feet when David Cameron and George Osborne are busy snatching people’s jobs from them.

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    • 85
      The Court of Public Opinion says:

      1. Will they have access to everyone’s financial records or just the feckless?

      2. Where are the firewalls and who controls them?

      3. Will we know if our records are being ‘viewed’ and/or ‘investigated’?

      Just who the fuck do they think they are?

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      • 196
        Serfs 'R' Us says:

        I doubt it, these agencies will have carte blanche to gather money via commission. It may well start with benefit claimants, but you can bet your house, that this is just the very thin edge of a very thick wedge, aimed eventually, straight at your bank account.

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    • 232
      anonymous says:

      nobody gets benefits without scrutiny already. why should that lead to people constantly being under surveillance? do we live in the new east germany? have the rules changed but nobody has let us know?

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    • 259
      Postlethwaite says:

      SteveB
      ”Nobody forces you to receive means-tested benefits so it’s not a civil liberty issue”.

      As someone who stood on his own two feet and has paid all my taxes and national insurance deductions all my life, I got 60 quid a week for six months and that was it.
      If i had put that amount of money aside instead, i could continue to stand on my own two feet. Theft by government has to be a civil liberty issue

      Clearly you are not master of your subject

      Postle

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  27. 33
    Dave says:

    I agree with Dave, snoop on the scroungers. If they are on benefits they shouldnt have credit cards

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    • 45
      If You Only Had a Heart! says:

      Perhaps they have credit cards because their benefits are not sufficient to pay their living costs and so they need to borrow money on credit cards to buy food.
      Just a thought.

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    • 234
      anonymous says:

      no, and disabled people should tucked up in bed by 6 oclock at night too, wanker

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  28. 35
    Fu**ed off says:

    Fucking hell. Wankers! Fuck you Call me Dave and your rather illiberal bum chum buddy bastard Nick.

    Time to start stringing these intrusive Hunts up.

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  29. 46
    TV Fodder says:

    Spongers

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  30. 50
    Squatter of 66 Mottram Road, Broadbottom says:

    Well if you can happily take the money, then you wont mind proving that you are eligible for state cash.

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    • 69
      Here Come the Camerloonies says:

      Tell that to the bankers you moron.

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      • 89
        Fu**ed off says:

        What a nasty piece of work Cameron is.

        His best friends in the EU no doubt want to turn the benefits system into an EU one-size-fits-all model and need the data.

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        • 229
          equity abhors a Maxim says:

          How’s that going to work – one-size-fits-all benefits from Faro to Faliraki, Stockholm to Sicily? The Single European Claimant?

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    • 200
      David Laws says:

      I entirely agree! That will not affect us, right?

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  31. 51
    I hate New Labour says:

    The minute this weasel announced he was reversing his ‘cast iron’ pledge on a referendum, it was obvious what sort of man he was/is.

    I didn’t fall for it, like millions of others, hence the Tories weren’t able to get a landslide against the most unpopular PM in living memory.

    Tories: if you want to last more than a single term, ditch the Etonian and find someone normal, who’s had a real job (and this doesn’t include PR). Not difficult, surely?

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  32. 53
    Very disappointed says:

    I liked Cameron…till now. Very bad idea.

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  33. 56
    Rafiq al-bin Abdul says:

    Please givings us free money and ten bedrooms house. And death to the west.

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    • 206
      Diversity, Cultural and Religious Tolerance Advisor says:

      Of course you will be culturally exempted from such measures, as per usual.

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  34. 59
    David Blunkett says:

    Good on ya, Camo! Just my kinda policy!

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  35. 64
    sophie says:

    Is this a surprise to anyone?

    Labour, Conservative, Liberal Democrats – all different factions of the new fascism.

    We are in the post democratic age.

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    • 107
      Sarf of the River says:

      Hear hear.

      In such a post democratic age one requires post democratic methods to wrest the semblance of democracy and freedom from both the executive and the state.

      Get thinking folks.

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    • 127
      sockpuppet #4 says:

      post democratic age?

      When did the government not pull the wool over peoples eyes?

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  36. 67
    Labour Fodder says:

    Spongers R Us

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  37. 70
    Charities R US says:

    Sponge

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  38. 71
    Kered says:

    Put something in their tea to stop them breeding. Cheapest way out of the Welfare spiral.

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    • 148
      A modest proposal says:

      Implant all the scrubbers with contraceptives.
      We don’t need this racaille.

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    • 169
      U. Jeniks says:

      Can’t have the lower orders breeding, until we want canon fodder for one of our concocted wars that is.

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  39. 74
    Farmer Giles says:

    Get off My land !!!!!!

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  40. 75
    Chris Huhne says:

    I was up in court this morning for assaulting my wife, the judge ordered me to attend a domestic violence course.

    I said “no need your honour, I think you’ll find I’m pretty shit hot in that department already”.

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  41. 76
    WELCOME TO CAMERON'S BIG CARDBOARD BOX SOCIETY: WELCOME TO THE FUTURE says:

    Next stop, Shanty Town.

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  42. 77
    Ed Balls (music hall entertainer) says:

    ‘ere, I was giving Ellie one up the arse when the boy Cooper walks in and demanded to know what I was up to, I said me bollox so far….?

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  43. 80
    Actress in troughing pink pig lipstick says:

    Oink!

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  44. 82
    We likings Britain. It giving us much many free things. says:

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  45. 83
    Peasant says:

    Hahaha anyone could have told you that Cameron’s Conservative government would be more authoritarian than we have ever seen. You just have to take a look at previous Conservative governments.

    You suckers voted for it.

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    • 219
      I am Sick says:

      Yep, Labour were wonderful. Wonderful if you like warmongering, freedom hating, fascist control freaks. Though I have to concede, Cameron is a duplicitous Bliar clone.

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  46. 87
    Gordon Brown says:

    I will make a statement to the House on this issue tomorrow at 2.

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  47. 91
    Join the North says:

    The rebel army gets bigger every day.

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  48. 93
    Mitch says:

    What do credit reports prove anyway? Every f*cker is spending beyond their means…..it’s the only thng keeping the country going, doesn’t it?

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  49. 94
    University of Troughers says:

    Spongers posing as sportswear!

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  50. 97
    Gone Fuckin mental says:

    who do we vote for next time ?

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    • 102
      Do not feed the mongs says:

      we vote for ourselves,kill all the royals,politicians and anyone else who has aspirations of “Leading”.make politics a capitol offense.

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    • 136
      Anonymous says:

      What makes you think there will be a next time?

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  51. 98
    Soon there will be mine und cameras in your homes says:

    Rumpied

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  52. 99
    Dy Ann Fat Bott says:

    Free benefits for everyone if I’m prime minister.

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  53. 100
    Big Brother Sponging Scum says:

    What is the point of anything if you don’t have freeeeedoooom?!

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  54. 104
    Peter says:

    Sod civil liberties.
    This is the money I pay in taxes.
    I don’t see why it should go to thieving benefit fraudsters.

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    • 118
      The Auditor says:

      Pay all your taxes do you Peter?
      Are you sure?
      Don’t sell anything at car boot sales do you; or on ebay, or anything like that?
      Don’t do any cash in hand work do you Peter?
      Don’t claim any benefits at all eh?
      Hmm… very suspicious, you sound dodgy Peter, we better pop round and do a full audit on you.

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      • 133
        Lord Manglebum says:

        you only get looked into if you claimed benefits you TWAT. Benefit fraud is 20% of the welfare system so needs to be culled and this is the only way of doing it – its simply cross referencing existing credit data. If you apply for a credit card, bank account, loan or mortgage you credit checked. So why not if you apply for benefits?

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        • 156
          The Auditor says:

          Pay all your taxes do you Mandy?
          Are you sure?
          Don’t sell anything at car boot sales do you; or on ebay, or anything like that?
          Don’t do any cash in hand work do you Peter?
          Don’t claim any benefits at all eh? Most people get working tax credits or get discount on council tax if they live alone, or receive NHS treatment, even that’s a form of benefit.
          Hmm… very suspicious, you sound dodgy Mandy, methinks you doth protest too much you dodgy loud mouthed wanker, we better pop round and do a full audit on you.
          Yeah, we better give a gobby twat like you the full treatment.

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          • I am Sick says:

            Ah yes, the old benefit claiment only ruse.
            Like to tell us how our freedom got stolen by the “war on terror” and the need to protect everone from terrorists, incrementally of course, by building the surveillence society?

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        • 171
          Doctor N Once says:

          Most money go’s on the NHS with pervy doctors giving school girls tit jobs.

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        • 247
          Anonymous says:

          Finally some sense!

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    • 134
      Phil says:

      FxxKING SPOT ON.

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      • 162
        The Auditor says:

        Pay all your taxes do you Phil?
        Are you sure?
        Don’t sell anything at car boot sales do you; or on ebay, or anything like that?
        Don’t do any cash in hand work do you Peter?
        Don’t claim any benefits at all eh?
        Hmm… very suspicious, you sound dodgy Phil, we better pop round and do a full audit on you.
        We better rip up a few floorboards to make sure you’re not hiding any stash under them.
        Yeah, we’ll put you down for the full treatment too, Phil.
        If you’ve got nothing to hide you won’t mind us invading your privacy.

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    • 158
      shite for brains says:

      Hear hear Peter. Methinks some of the people are protesting too much. As you say, we earn the money and pay taxes and I for one am sick and tired of supporting the ‘glass backs’ – so there, put that in your pipes and smoke it!

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      • 166
        The Auditor says:

        I think we will start with you for our first audit you gobby wanker.
        It’s always the loud mouthed bluffers like you who are the worst dodgy benefit claimants and tax evaders.

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      • 238
        anonymous says:

        158 you talk as if everyone on benefits have never worked. what about those made redundant, or had accidents and are disabled, or are pensioners/ you want to check your facts before you start mouthing off

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    • 172
      Double Tax says:

      don’t worry soon you will have to pay twice as much when all the prisoners get released and come round to rob you because theres no benefits.

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  55. 111
    Chav Leader says:

    They may take away our benefits, but they will never take away…our Xbox and Playstations!

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  56. 113
    sockpuppet #4 says:

    That navy blue is too dark for the flag to be appropriate.

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  57. 116
    Sniper says:

    Give me a shout when the guns are passed out.

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  58. 122
    Do not feed the mongs says:

    So mongs are you starting to see yet?

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  59. 123
    KnowYourPlace says:

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  60. 124
    If you've done nothing wrong, you have nothing to fear says:

    Not being on any kind of benefits, I don’t give a proverbial.

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    • 135
      Sir William Waad says:

      Please consider (1) above!

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    • 137
      Mrs Bishop's Luxury Parrot says:

      It’s alright for you, I’ve just found out I was bought with benefits.!!

      I always thought it was Higher Perches..

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    • 145
      The Auditor says:

      Pay all your taxes do you?
      Are you sure?
      Don’t sell anything at car boot sales do you; or on ebay, or anything like that?
      Don’t do any cash in hand work do you?
      Not letting out any rooms and not declaring them?
      Don’t claim any benefits at all eh?
      Hmm… very suspicious, you sound dodgy, we better pop round and do a full audit on you just to make sure.
      But as you have done nothing wrong, or so you say, you shouldn’t have anything to fear about us invading your privacy.
      We’ll find something.

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      • 161
        If you've done nothing wrong, you have nothing to fear says:

        Bollocks. I pay taxes and fiddle nothing. I don’t claim anything either.
        I commend this policy to the assembled company.

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        • 170
          The Auditor says:

          Yeah, that’s what all the dodgy ones say.
          We’ll put you down for a visit first thing tomorrow morning.
          We’ll give you a right good spin.
          We always find something: no-one is innocent.
          Only the guilty claim to be innocent.

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          • I am Sick says:

            Yep, pays his taxes and NEVER fiddles anything. What a liar, never paid a window cleaner, or the guy who pops around once a week to do your garden, always asks for a reciept and keeps them, never pays cash for anything, or posted a letter at work, never left work early, used a computer during work hours to do non work related surfing, never bought anything in a pub? As I said, fucking huge lair.

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  61. 130
    Anonymous says:

    Hold on!
    If you want to take money from other tax payers (i.e. you want benefits), then surely somewhere along the line there needs to be a check that you are eligible.
    If you don’t apply for the benefit, i.e. you’re not unemployed, then you won’t be checked. If you are, it will be a quick check to prove it.
    You can argue that the privacy of the unemployed or low earners, but if they want help from someone (taxpayers) surely they need to prove – by means of credit checking – that they are eligible.

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    • 149
      The Auditor says:

      Pay all your taxes do you?
      Are you sure?
      Don’t sell anything at car boot sales do you; or on ebay, or anything like that?
      Don’t do any cash in hand work do you?
      Not letting out any rooms and not declaring them?
      Don’t claim any benefits at all eh? Do you live alone? Don’t you claim discount on your council tax?
      Hmm… very suspicious, you sound dodgy, we better pop round and do a full audit on you just to make sure.
      But as you have done nothing wrong, or so you say, you shouldn’t have anything to fear about us invading your privacy.
      We’ll find something.

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      • 164
        No Go area says:

        the auditor will need an army on the estate I live on,the tv detector chap got his car burnt out and had to have his head stitched,they have never been back in 20 years.

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      • 174
        Roger Daley says:

        Easy way –

        Chav gets benefit/child tax credits etc

        Chav spends £100 more than that on ready meals, rot gut lager and electric soup in Tesco (according to loyalty card)

        Therefore : He has more money than he should have.

        Busted.

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        • 197
          sockpuppet #4 says:

          pay cash. Go to aldi.

          On the other hand what about people who have got savings?
          Or do shopping for their neighbours/parents?
          (ok ok. no need to reply, I do see the flaw in those arguments)

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        • 199
          Anonymous says:

          You really are a Hunt aren’t you!

          At least you’re among friends here.

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          • I am Sick says:

            Does anyone who supports this latest load of bollocks from Cam & Co, understand the law of unintended consequences?
            It works like this, chav loses job, chav applies for benefit, chav gets benefit, chav soon discovers benefit payment is shit and he needs more money, chav decides to go “black” and work for cash, chav now has enough money to live on and is content with his pitiful lot.
            Big important government think tank says a couple of billion is being paid out that it could theoretically “save” ( the biggest lie of all ) crack down on chav starts, Daily Mail readers whoop with joy, chav now has no benefit, chav has no housing benefit, chav will have to work even harder in the “black” or resort to crime ( fuck paying tax on £200 a week ) chav meets up with old chav pal who sells drugs to Daily Mail readers kids, chav quickly becomes addicted to easy drug dealing lifestyle, chav abandons work, Pole eagerly accepts chav “black” career, sends money home to Kracow, chav becomes a junkie and so do all his clients, to feed chav drug habit they have to rob and steal. Daily Mail readers start complaining about crime waves and muggings, in previously “good neighbourhoods”, chav gets captured and sent to jail, after detox, chav adapts to prison life, chav life in prison is much like life on the estate when he got benefit, chav released back into society, chav unemployable, chav claims benefit, chav gets benefit, repeat cycle.

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    • 241
      anonymous says:

      130 it’s good to know that you are so well acquanited with the system – of course people are checked before they can receive benefit – knobhead

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  62. 131
    Troughing Hoons Market Products says:

    Get your sponges here 2 for a pound!

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  63. 138
    Benny Fit-Scrounger says:

    They won’t get me or our like – we knows how to play the system. All the’ll catch are the really poor getting jus a few hundred more than they should.

    Teence Read knew what he was doing till he got careless. Mind you, great result getting community service.

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  64. 140
    A Fine Pair of Lungs says:

    Something needs to be done about lying sponging hoons!

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  65. 142
    Penfold says:

    Bring back the STASI I say, they did a bloody good job…..sic.

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  66. 143
    Thieving, degenerate alcoholic, violent, illiterate, threatening Pikey scum says:

    I fucking lived in a cravan in Donegal fore i cum to this fooken country.

    Posh boy Cam wants to stop me cheating hard working people with me benefit and disability frauds does he now?
    It’ll never catch on.

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  67. 145
    Some thieving kike says:

    Who has the gold?

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  68. 150
    Wiping the immigrant database says:

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  69. 151
    Osama the Nazarene says:

    Double standards here Mr F. Why should it be OK for the naffing bankers to trawl through our credit ratings but not through scroungers’s credit ratings?

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    • 185
      The Mongvote says:

      why should it be ok for MP’s and bankers to rob us ?

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    • 214
      davemcwish says:

      Because they won’t find anything. Also, if I heard correctly they would get paid by results therefore all they will want to do if go after the quick and soft targets.

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      • 246
        Osama the Nazarene says:

        @davemcwish – Because they won’t find anything

        …and they won’t find anything because -

        a) there are no scroungers? Don’t believe that for a moment!

        b) using credit agencies to help discover scroungers is not an efficient way of doing it? Perhaps, but wait to see more details of how the b’stards would get caught. Certainly anyone on benefits should not be running up credit card debts. the naffing bankers get an intro into my credit score without my say so whenever I want a new credit card or want to open a new account!

        c) why else?

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      • 253
        Anonymous says:

        Better still if they go after the quick and soft targets… Those legitimately claiming will be confirmed as such and those stealing from the taxpayers will act as a deterrent for the others.

        Taxpayers are always open to an investigation by HMRC, why not the scroungers?

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  70. 157
    Guthrum says:

    So whats that just over three months to show their true authoritarian colours

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  71. 160
    Sponged to Deaf says:

    Start with the scroungers at the top of the big sponge!

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  72. 165
    Seeing's Believing says:

    This is a load of “bollocks”….benefit fraud committed by EU nationals which comprises a large amount of the money i.e. those who claim “child benefit” for non-existent kids living abroad(as they are entitled to under EU law) and build mansions in Roumania on the proceeds won’t be arsed by this and the so-called “bounty hunters” better be ex-SAS if they intend going after those claimants so the major problem can’t and won’t be tackled.This is all hot air for the benefit of Daily Mail readers !!

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  73. 173
    attention benefit thieves! you are fucking amateurs says:

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  74. 177
    Suckers vote says:

    The state has just jumped straight into your life

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  75. 180
    Alf Garnett says:

    The last time we had all this it was “report a scrounger” hotlines; verily a true manifestation of the Big Society where we all care about each other’s business.

    It all seemed a bit like France under German occupation, with stool-pigeons, fraternisation and old scores being settled by anonymous and totally untrue tittle-tattle. As far as I can make out, not much money was saved from the undeserving or dishonest, but a lot of innocent people were put into the frame.

    The big game who really need our unstinting attention are at the top of the food chain and not down the bottom where Mr. Wisteria is aiming.

    I for one would be a lot happier if we already had the ability to dismiss corrupt MPs, local government people and so forth. After all, there’s not much fun in hunting only one sort of witch. Variety is all.

    Mind you, I don’t think Experian really comes into its own when you have no bank account, credit cards, mortgage or whatever.

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    • 190
      sockpuppet #4 says:

      A different view on “report a scrounger” under labour was that it was just a ploy to make the mail-ites think something was being done.

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    • 190
      crooks and liars says:

      Pssst Mr nick that Dave is fiddling 21 thousand a year on mortgages.is that a benefit fraud?

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      • 213
        The Great and Good says:

        Laws are for you little people, silly.

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        • 254
          David Laws says:

          I feel that the punishment I recieved over a piddling £40,000 was unjustified and disproportionate in the extreme. I am happy to return at any time with no stain on my character or good name, or indeed any compulsion to pay back a single penny. I am ready to resume my duty, when called.

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    • 204
      sockpuppet #4 says:

      PS: you don’t need to go to such extremes to find regimes where you’re bound to have made some sort of fiscal mistake, and anyway, if someone blows the whistle on you a good rooting about by the taxman is a massive pain in the arse. not quite literally.

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  76. 182
    Strictly Come Sponging says:

    £100,000 to dance for peasants. Paid by the peasants.

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  77. 187
    Anonymous says:

    if they take the governments money for a prolonged period then they deserve to see their finances.

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    • 193
      The Merits of it says:

      My father,grand father and great grand father all worked from 14 to 65,they died at 66 ,66 and 67.So none of them got back any of what they had paid. I consider it my right to cash in on it.

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  78. 189
    attention benefit thieves! you are fucking amateurs says:

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  79. 194
    No matter how they twist it your owed it says:

    If your parents worked and died before retirement then the government owes you a living.its your inheritance

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    • 208
      Government Spokesperson says:

      We want the lower orders existing on subsistence wages, and to drop dead at their work place.

      Retirement will be a privilege reserved for the great and good of society.

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  80. 198
    The Sponge Factor says:

    Well done Freedom you are going to sponge camp!

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    Trev says:

    As an earlier commentator says – if you are in receipt of govt benefits you must expect to be checked up on.

    But increasingly Guido wants it all ways. Anything to spin a line to make some sensation. Basically he does not want any govt at all of course. He just wants to be left alone to make his money and sod the rest of us.

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  84. 216
    One day you will know says:

    The stock exchange is run by a computer virus that no one can control

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  85. 217
    Please Try Harder says:

    1 Billion pounds a year in benefit fraud? Absolutely useless.
    These amateurs better raise their game.
    Look at the bankers for Christ sake, they ripped us off for hundreds of billions of pounds which they are now putting straight in their own sky rockets!
    These lazy dole scrounging benefit cheats should pull their socks up and aspire to be as good a fraudsters as the pin striped suit brigade.
    Aspiration and perspiration equals benefit embezzlation!

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  86. 221
    anonymous says:

    Guido

    I’ve got to say I’m fucking furious about all of this. Once again genuine disabled people are the focus for the benefits bashing l;ackies in government. With their addage to look at private data and asking people to spy on their neighbours. It’s fucking fascism. The last fucking government were bad enough but this is getting ridiculous. If it’s a check on public reaction it is in very poor taste because again, disabled people are being victimised. Why doesn’t the government just take them out and shoot them and save money that way. This from a government and parliament full of the most dubious and illegal corrupt shits ever!

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  87. 222
    Anonymous says:

    Don’t use plastic.

    Don’t use loyalty cards.

    Use cash.

    Don’t leave an audit trail.

    At least make them work for their money.

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    • 231
      Accident Repairs for ? says:

      Barter,you get very good food,amazing eggs and pork. I forgot what real hand reared food tasted like until 6 months ago,never spent a penny,even use veg oil as fuel.The white market is the pinnacle of cashless,tax free living. My only regret is eating shit for 45 years.There is no law says you have to use money,if you don’t you are exempt from the tax using it carries,No charge

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  88. 224
    The magical sponge head says:

    Spongey Brain

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  89. 225
    Victoria Sponge says:

    Vermin

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  90. 226
    if you want it that way agree to this says:

    Hmmm the posher house on the estate must be on the fiddle.Ring the stasi

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    • 233
      catch all says:

      He works and pays his dues therefore he must be up to something,ring the stasi,they search everyone regardless.

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  91. 236
    You can't win with the stasi says:

    If we are told your a fiddler and it turns out your not we will still find something to justify our search,you know our kind don’t you?

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  92. 240
    Enslave the poor says:

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  93. 245
    Fu**ed off says:

    The Queen can fuck off. She’s the biggest benefit claimant by far.

    What exactly is her job?

    Fuck her!

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    • 249
      Rhoda Borrocks says:

      Reave Mandy arone !

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    • 265
      Chas says:

      I’m terribly sorry if you don’t know what the Queen’s job is. You are either very stupid or you live under a stone – perhaps both. She is what is know as the Head of State. You will find that every country in the world has one, and they are mostly rather expensive things to run. By contrast our Head of State contributes enormously to the exchequer by means of the Crown Estates. These are the royal properties whose management and income were handed over to the government by George III in 1760, in return for the Civil list. The Crown Estate generates £190 million in profit per annum, and the Civil List costs £7.9 million. Since you are clearly too thick to do the sum, this means that the country makes a profit of £182.1 million on the deal. Would you prefer it if the Queen went on her way and took the £190 million annual income back for herself? We would then have to pay for a new head of state, who would probably want his or her own big house to live in and a private jet. You will probably find that the cost would exceed £7.9 million a year for that lot.

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  94. 252
    Experian - a bunch of incompetents says:

    You’re spot-on with your comment Guido.

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  95. 260
    Postlethwaite says:

    ”It seems like only an election ago that Clegg and Cameron were promising to end ID cards and the enchroachments of the database state.”

    It was a cast iron promise

    Postle

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  96. 261
    Anonymous says:

    Got a store loyalty card? Got a credit card? Use cash machines? Use Debit cards? They already know all this stuff about you. How do you think your online shopping outlets recommend stuff “you may be interested” in?

    If they use this to stop some fraudsters getting access to money they shouldn’t have then i’m all for it.

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  97. 263
    Outraged says:

    I deal daily with people who lives are ruined by CRA’s simply because the data they hold is either completely false or at best inaccurate. Their refusal to accept or even investigate claims of false data cause great distress to the innocent. It can take months if not years to force them to correct the data & that’s often AFTER the damage has been done

    Also what happened to the promise that there would be a rolling back of the surveillance state

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  98. 264
    Chas says:

    I’ve listened to the arguments and slept on it, and I don’t agree with you, Guido. All this information has already been legally gathered by the private sector in the form of the credit rating agencies, who trade it freely. The government simply wants to pay them for some of this information relating to benefit claimants. I think that, if you choose or even need to live off state charity, you forego some of your liberties and one of those liberties involves the government checking that you are not stealing from them. They are only doing so with information that has already been gathered; they are not “trawling”. And if you don’t want them checking on you, don’t claim benefit.

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  99. 266

    I just cant make my mind up about this I do feel really angry when people take advantage of the benefits system but also feel the government may over step the mark to look at private data, wish I could get off the fence

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