How to Judge the Coalition in 2015 : Did they Fix Society?
The scale of the dependency culture is daunting, the problems are like the heads of a hydra. Fatherless kids and dysfunctional families with chaotic workless lifestyles, their dependence on welfare transfers from the productive, working classes, creates huge problems. Children from these broken backgrounds are failed by the bog standard schools which should offer them a path to betterment. Social mobility has been destroyed in the name of educational egalitarianism.
It is bad for those who are dependent themselves and no society should tolerate cities where a quarter of the population is without work and dependent on benefits. Fraser Nelson charts worklessness by City:
Guido wishes IDS well with what is, along with Gove’s education reforms, a policy agenda as important as cutting the deficit. The Left will try and undermine the agenda case by case, but it has to be seen holistically. Labour failed in 13 years to tackle the problems, Blair realised this by his third-term, too late to do anything about it. It has to be made more attractive to come off benefits and into work, IDS is right to worry about the disincentives to work and the marginal rates of taxation for those in the welfare trap. The truth is that we need to also chip away at the “Shameless” culture that makes it acceptable to be permanently on welfare. The judgement on whether or not the Coalition fixed society will depend on how much they reduce the number of welfare dependants.
Bilge!!!
Bilge!!!
Very good word for labour.
Wish I’d thought of it!
Holistic = bollocks
£3-7 Billion cost = IDS reforms aren’t going to happen
Hot Air = ‘we are giving our troops every support that need / gordon brown and antbustingut = LIES
Let’s give the coalition some time to see if they can’t do better . In truth they’ll struggle to do worse!!
Hot Air = ‘out troops are there to keep us safe here’ Cameron/Fox= LIES
The public happily accepting 5 or more years of dead troops because yet another spineless British Prime Minister doesn’t have the balls to tell Obma to fuck off and withdraw our troops = No chance.
Social mobility has been destroyed in the name of educational egalitarianism.
Social mobility was always pretty low. It was low during the middle ages, it was low during the industrial revolution, it was low during the 20th century and it’s still low now. It has never been ‘destroyed’ because it has never been the norm.
Gove’s reforms are designed to do completely the opposite of raising social mobility. Just as the rich have entrenched their social status by sending their children to public schools away from all the poor people, now the middle classes will be able to entrench their social status by setting up their own little schools for their children away from all the poor people. As they are at pains to point out, they won’t select on ability (because then social mobility might increase), goodness no, they’ll select on whether they like the look of you or not.
What a load of Bolshevik balderdash you do speak Commie Atheist. It’s a fact not even your selective memory can contradict that there was more social mobility under the old tried and tested selective education system. Mobility slowed down and then stopped altogether after Shirley Williams’ comprehensive education system was introduced by Harold Wilson’s Labour government.
The Comprehensive system introduced all the trendy lefty teaching methods that have been failing kids ever since. More kids leave school today as barely literate, innumerate, anti-social misfits than kids fifty years ago. Socialist egalitarianism has dragged down education standards instead of increasing them. Too many teachers, who are products of the Marxist dominated teaching colleges, are themselves barely articulate.
Your comments show that lefties are only bothered about “class” and in pursuit of that agenda are prepared to sacrifice all kids to a lifetime of ignorance which will translate to a dependency on the state. It seems the only equality you believe in is an equal ignorance for all (except when it’s the kids of left wing intellectuals and politicians and then they’re prepared to go private for the best education)
Your way has failed but you will never admit it.
So What
Spot on, A&D!
You could also have mentioned that the primary concern of people who send their children to non-State schools is to ensure that they get a decent education untrammelled by socialistic nonsense.
That is what we did, despite being unable to afford the fees except by selling the house and buying something cheaper. It cost us a great deal of money, even though we were already paying taxes to a couldn’t-care-less govt machine that was supposed to provide ejukayshun.
Our daughters are literate, numerate and civilised. They now work as serious professionals. Job done. We could have chosen the State system, risked having them otherwise and would have been rewarded with an annual holiday in the Pacific or a new car every three years.
That was our choice – you Lefties piss your money away if you will, but don’t moan at those of us who choose to invest it in the next generation. I have no doubt whatsoever about who is serving the country better.
Ah, Ruth Kelly’s Rabbit, you make me sad. Honestly, I have nothing but sympathy for your situation. And were I in a similar situation, I might do the same.
But that is precisely the point of why our current system is so abhorrant. Your children got a good education – your social status was entrenched – but your children’s peers in that horrible (no irony, I went to one) comprehensive down the road missed out on having two bright, hard working children as their members. Your gain was their loss, and that is not right. You shouldn’t be forced to do that, and no one should suffer for it.
You’re just some of the many people getting screwed over by this system. You are coerced into acting against your fellow man or woman while the rich run away with all the money and the poor languish. The poor cry, the middle classes scream, and the rich laugh. Until we overthrow this rotten system this will persist.
My good fellow, you talk of balderdash yet you deny none of what I said. Is it not a fact that the rich and middle classes actively seek to reduce social mobility by transferring their wealth and education through generations?
My way has not failed. My way necessitates the abolition of private education. Until that criterion is met social mobility will remain low.
Do you think Gove’s reform will increase social mobility? If so, why?
Commie Atheist, you are still blinded by your class hostility and Marxist ideology. I stated that the reason parents spend their money on a private education for their kids is because the state system was totally destroyed by socialist dogma. If the state system was any good there wouldn’t be a need for private education. Even a straight on leftie like Diane Abbott or less acknowledged that when she sent her own son to a private school.
One question that lefties like yourself never answer is why don’t you right-on, socially conscious egalitarians demand that state education be improved to the standards of the private sector? Let’s face it, the main teaching unions run by Marxist dinosaurs have ALWAYS stood in the way of any attempts to raise standards in state education.
By the way, most parents who put their children through a private education virtually pauper themselves to pay for it in order to give their kids the best chance in life. It’s got nothing whatsoever to do with elitism.
And what’s wrong with that?
Nothing. If you believe the vagina lottery is the best way to distribute wealth, education and opportunity in this country.
Cripes! I was going to call one of my many bastard sprogs “vagina lottery”
No shit BoJo. I would have thought “Outlier” would be more appropriate – you’re easily at least three standard deviations away from the normal.
You are wrong about social mobility. Big picture historians would have us believe it has always been difficult but family historians who study individual families over long periods know that social mobility is actually the norm. Younger sons of younger sons slipping down the social ladder is the reason why very many ordinary people today have medieval royal ancestry, whilst many of today’s upper class have remarkably recent humble origins. I have a third cousin who is a wealthy merchant banker and the grandson of a peer. We share a great great grandfather who started out penniless in the East End. Wesley commented on how the hard work and sobriety of converts to Methodism led to rapid significant improvement in their prosperity and social status. Just last week I was researching a Methodist family where the grandson of a weaver became Dean of the Medical School at Oxford. In another area of my research, an eighteenth century court case shows that the great nephew of a Bishop and cousin of a wealthy MP was an illiterate coachman in London.
5 years is a long time in politics
I paid you lefty wankers the compliment of thinking you were susceptible to reasoned argument. Judging by your flippant mono-syllabic replies, I shouldn’t have bothered.
but you are clearly a fuckwit so deserve no more than that
Boris was right about Liverpool
He was right on the money.
Lots of talking the talk up there, but not a lot of walking the walk…
It’s what they do in Liddypool.
are you my Daddy?
Scousers are discouraged from marrying Geordies because the children would grow up too lazy to steal.
Sorry to break it to you but “Shameless” is a work of TV fiction.
It’s not real.
In other shock news… not every Tory MP is Alan B’stard, the people of London’s Eastend aren’t all bald twats like Grant Mitchell from EastEnders, and there are no time travelling Doctors.
Sorry to break it to you, Shameless may well be a work of fiction, however the only difference with the reallity, is that in the real world they behave the same, but without the wit, or humour.
W.W.
it’s all true because you say so
case closed!
Says the blind deaf Marxist.
coz ees a commienazi innee !? ! fuud goes in mowth ?? !?
I always assume people who use ROFL, or LOL, are utter morons, if the cap fits feel free to try it on.
If you doubt what I say drive around a few of your local scum estates and see for your self.
I have had the missfortune of doing some work for DWP for the last year, and large numbers of the people who came in would put the characters in shameless to shame (pardon the pun).
Part of the probelm is they are utterly unemployable, you wouldn’t give them a job washing your car.
W.W.
civil servants beurocrats are twats
sack them all
F.U.
what a hypocritical fuckwit
R.O.F.L.
I could take you to an estate like Shameless, populated with much the same cast of characters, in pretty much any town in the UK.
There are two such estates within a 20 minute walk of my home, and the town centre pubs are full of proto-Gallaghers and their ilk.
It might be marketed as fiction, but it is documentary masquerading as art.
People growing up in such circumstances tend not to follow the norms of social behaviour – perhaps an end to that culture of dependency may lead their descendants into the mainstream, perhaps not – but anything has to be better than condemning some 20% of the urban population to a life without hope and without escape.
More power to IDS – and if it costs money, then there’s still plenty of New Labour waste to cut to pay for it.
no…it’s fiction
the clue is in the word “fiction”
del boy isn’t real either
the reason it’s funny is that it takes larger than life grossly exagerated comedic caricatures and puts them in ridiculous situations
I wouldn’t worry about being too stupid to know the difference between real life and TV
some are even stupid enough to idolise a Prime Minister who’s only ‘real’ job was as a public relations wonk for shit TV company Calrton after all
I wun!
I’m afraid it’s terrifyingly realistic.
I know, I grew up on a sink estate. Escaping was the smartest move I ever made.
When I return to visit friends, I give thanks for being able to leave whenever I wish. Most are not so fortunate.
I’m afraid it’s not.
It’s a scripted comedy drama television programme that idiots like to use as a shorthand for thinking too much or they would realise that millions of people can never be simple negative caricatures however much they would like them to be.
It’s TV not real life.
But when most of 650 MPs are caught fiddling taxpayers money and they now seek to demonise anyone poor or out of work, that isn’t a comedy drama, it’s real.
It’s the desperate deflection and scapegoating from the cockroaches who infest Parliament and their minions.
Rab C. Nesbitt and his friends were grossly exaggerated characters when first televised. Now his real life counterparts have become the mainstream on many sink estates. Believe me, there are real life counterparts of the Shameless characters all around the country which have proliferated in the past 10 – 12 years.
Before any lefty trolls accuse me of mixing up fiction and reality, I spent thirty years working on some of the worst council estates in my city and dealing with such people. Each generation of benefit dependents being worse behaved and increasingly scummy than the previous one.
I spent 20 years watching Rab C. Nesbitt so I am obviously the authority on this you communist hitler type
Proof that the moon is inhabited by strange alien creatures
IT WOZ ON THE TV SO ITS TWOO!!!!
I see that idiot tat is still up to his tricks. He can’t seem to grasp the point that everyone is citing real life examples. Only tat’s sockpuppets refer to the sitcom.
When I lived in my imaginary sink estate they were all without exception characters from the TV comedies Rab C. and Shameless.
So awful were they that they all stabbed and killed me and then pissed on my corpse.
I got better.
Indsputable proof from real life for the communists to ponder.
Shameless is a work of fiction in the same way that Yes Minister is.
Hahahahahahahahahaha!!!
And Last of the Summer Wine is a work of fiction in the same way that The Thick of it is.
Obvious innit?
true Seth shameless is fictional but how true to life it is..warped for comedic effect perhaps but no less powerful in being a favorite amongst real life estate dwellers.
I’m not entirely convinced that most people think it is acceptable to be on permanent welfare. Those with long dependency issues don’t necessarily won’t to not work or have some pride. There are undoubted structural problems that are more easily dismissed. It’s easy to personalise blame. Once issues are personalised then people will give up. If there’s no work people give up. I know someone with a PhD and 30 years excperience who cannot find work. What is it about this country that finds talented and able people such a problem?? In a situation where profit is the main focus then most people are left behind either because they don’t have required skills or are deemed as too skilled and therefore too expensive. This cheapskate country and it’s limited elite have fucked things up so bad….
“limited elite” – applies to tonies cronies and his successor.
Simple mathematical issue.
If we all live on benefits paid for by taxes, where are the workers/taxpayers that are going to pay our benefits?
gordon thought he could get around that problem by printing money. Bank of England asked the question – how long can we keep printing money to pay benefits?
So what’s the answer???!
whats national insurance??
A giant ponzi scheme.
What is it about this country that finds talented and able people such a problem?
A British trait is suspicion of expertise. I don’t know why or when this started. But that’s how we ended up with Prescott as deputy PM.
Four words;
‘NEVER GOING TO HAPPEN’
Get real
You’re right that Cameron isn’t a traditional Tory. That used to give me pause, but the way things are going I am very impressed and wish the coalition a fair wind.
IDS’s approach is a breath of fresh air – a real attempt to break the vile, slothful mould into which this country is falling. If it fails, what do his critics propose as an alternative?
I too was sceptical about the coalition but, on the evidence so far, there are positive signs that they mean business on many fronts. Stars of the hit-the-ground-running so far have been Cameron himself, Michael Gove, Eric Pickles and IDS – few of the LibDems have so far shone but, as they are generally further down the pecking-order, their chances may come in the implementation phases.
While it is true that anything would have been better than Brown/Balls & Co, the pace of the first 100 days has been impressive.
The real measure will come in how they manage to implement it all in the teeth of the inevitably fierce resistance, in some cases from their own parties’ grass-roots, in other cases from the ‘usual suspects’ of the unions, the do-gooders, the wasters and the ne’er-do-wells. Let’s hope they keep their nerve and carry it all through – in the long-term, everybody wins that way.
Cameron has sure hit the ground running, by making a fool of himself on the international stage every time he opens his mouth in another country.
unlike miliblandbananas
Arun Jaitley, spokesman for the opposition Bharatiya Janata Party, said: “In recent years, there has been no bigger disaster than David Miliband’s visit.”
So
I must either be a school kid or labour voter because I dare comment on the great leaders cringe worthy international cluster fucks?
Oh dear oh dear, what a bunch of cretins you lot turned out to be.
With amoeba brains like you on their side is it any wonder you were denied power for fifteen years by the most useless party to ever govern this country.
Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha!!!
Superb satire sir!
I particularly enjoyed Gove hitting the ground flat on his face with his embarrassing schools fuckup. Brokeback Cameron was smacked down by the 1922 Committee and David Davis, while fatfuck Pickles is the Tories answer to fatfuck Prescott.
Are you a Beeboid? The Beeb newsroom is desperate to turn Cameron’s candour into a disaster. Hey, we know that Pakistan is helping the Taliban; that looks like “exporting terrorism” to me. We know that Israel has made Gaza one huge open prison. Pretending otherwise doesn’t bring any solutions. Makes a change from having NuLabour fifth-formers running the country.
The jury is still out on what you are ‘Get Real’…what you are not is prime minister.
frankly given the huge problems nestled inclusively in the north of Pakistan…what David Cameron said about the reality of the scenario there is fair comment.
the reality is that the Taliban moves in and out of the northern territories at will…madrassas and other organisations are fostering radicalism … radical Pakistanis are harbouring and assisting in the Taliban presence unquestionably knowing what is happening.
Whilst the Taliban is allowed to shelter their activities in this way they remain a menace and the moment the troops do eventually get out Afghanistan they will reinstate their strangle hold within a very short period of time. This is an ‘unwinnable’ war at present.
How you vote is your issue ‘Get Real’ but what you say does a disservice to all serious minded individuals trying to get to grips with the diplomatic treacle that the outdated relationship between India and Pakistan dwells in.
Quite clearly the meat of the Pakistani intelligence services are on side…clearly some are probably adopting the ‘best to observe and/or ignore and/or countenance certain activities to gain the ongoing game plan knowledge’ strategy… but whichever it is or whatever the objective may be they cannot but recognise the problems their vacillation is causing.
I agree with Indigo….this complete idiocy that Cameron has “made a fool of himself on the international stage” and that he made a series of “gaffes” is utter fabricated rubbish made up by Labour-sympathetic BBC spinmeisters. Keep repeating it enough times and it’ll stick, is that the strategy? Keep saying rubbish like “gaffe-prone” and you think it’ll shape people’s opinions? What tosh! What he said makes perfect sense, is totally realistic, and is actually nothing “new” at all. No-one in this country has any Rule Brittannia delusions, and we all know that we’re not on equal footing with the US, it’s preopsterous to think we are. We’re most definitely the junior partner, and if that offends you then you’re the one with the problem. As for his comments on Pakistan & the Gaza….what exactly is incorrect about what he said? And, should he have gone in with Gordon Brown’s version of dilpomacy instead….whereby the whole world just shakes its head with embarrasment & thinks “who the hell voted this guy into office?” (oh wait, no-one did). So gimme a break with this totally forced ‘foot in mouth’ image you’re trying to create. It aint working!
Words are cheap.
Cameron is a third-rater. He talked the British war generations down into second-raters to Obama. He talked the accession of Turkey into the EU up to the Turks, to show (for the first time ever) what a real Rambo he is.
His insistence on ring-fencing foreign aid, of all things and on borrowed money, is stark insanity.
He believes in the Big Society, alright. It’s only a shame that he has no respect for the country of which he is Prime Minister.
Thank You!
An objective soul!
… and he gave Bliar a standing ovation on leaving.
P.s. shouldn’t Bliar, Brown, et Al be serving a long stretch in the Tower? If CMD’s the real deal, he should be rounding these criminals up!
Blair’s mini-me Tony Cameron grovels at the feet of his Hero
Did you ever know that you’re my hero,
and everything I would like to be?
I can fly higher than an eagle,
’cause you are the wind beneath my wings.
unlike you Albacore.
We were minnows to the States and the Ruskies in scale … that doesn’t mean we were lesser men.
Turkey will be better managed in the tent than out of it and they have a long way to go yet before they get in at all.
Ring fencing the overseas aid budget was a must do.
Cameron believes in the big society agenda but that doesn’t denigrate the desire to change things for the better in the Uk … clearly Labour had 13 years to try and failed … it may be the coalition will fail as well but to not try would be disrespect incarnate.
If diplomacy worked by rote of strategic and economic scale alone then global politics would be driven by unchallenged strength alone and the danger of that prospect is a nightmare.
Oh yes it will – one way or another. ‘Cos if the Tories can’t sort it, our creditors will ensure it does – by withdrawing any borrowing to the UK. Print? Just try and the whole f**king country will be on the dole.
Gordon is a moron, he thought money was the economy rather than REPRESENTS the economy.
So Printing money just makes each monetary unit represent a smaller part of the economy.
Self improvement is anathema to a socialist.
Of course it is.
Labour does not want to develop a society of educated, thinking people because such people will not vote for labour.
labour are desperate to create an uneducated, poverty ridden, welfare dependent society that they believe will keep them in power, troughing on the taxpayer as they do, forever!
And if at first you dont succeed then get a job with the bbc.
I am really hoping that jacqui (porno) smith gets that £77k – 2 day a week- unlimited expenses job at the beeb .
She will be their final nail in the coffin.
I wonder if Jacqui Smith would be more at home in the bbc as say (let me think) as say Carol Thatcher was?
No iif jacqui’s suit to take the plum job at the beeb fails there will be a barrage of the labour elite besieging the beeb for this £77k pa 2 day a week with unlimited expenses non job.
First in the queue will be prezza, then there will be abbott, then, sarahbrown, then cherie bliar and on and on until one of these worthless troughing labour people get it.
For crying out loud just let’s put the beeb up for international auction in bits. It’s not worth all this money that the British Taxpayer is being Forced to Pour into it!!
Mr Cameron stressed that he supported the BBC
He said: “The BBC is an important national institution. I want to see it prosper and succeed and be a fantastic cultural asset.”
He added that he was a “supporter of the licence fee”
Jeremy Hunt Conservative MP, Shadow Culture Secretary
“I believe that the BBC is a great national institution.”
“I am proud of the BBC. I think that most British people think that we are very lucky to have a BBC and most people who aren’t British, if they don’t have a BBC, wish they did have one.”
“I don’t see the BBC as a State broadcaster. “I think people see the BBC as operating at arms length from the government and it’s very important that it should continue to do so and that’s why we’ve said we will protect the BBC charter.”
Liberal Democrat leader Nick Clegg has defended the BBC, saying it’s “unique in the world and we should be proud of it” and said the trend for politicians to constantly attack it was wrong.
The real problem is access to television. If you watch television in the UK then you need to pay a tax. This tax funds a state broadcaster that has a political agenda.
Please take me back to the good old days in east germany when we were all equal and free.
Problem is -
its not a joke.
Prepare your children for indoctrination.
Yes Labour expect the poor to be welfare dependent, the Tories just expect them to starve while they import cheap labor for their business friends elsewhere.
it’s because they are too thick to rely on anything other than straw men and stereotypes
The left WILL try to undermine any reforms the coalition make to the welfare benefit prgramme.
Balls, burnham and the militwits don’t want people to get back into work or to develop a sense of self respect.
They regard people as fodder and look at how they might use them to get back into power and keep there, trouging off the taxpayer.
Don’t expect compassion or care or understanding from this labour crew.
They are all about getting their hands onto power and accessing money for themselves ! They don’t give a toss about us or communities!
You only have to look at brown scrounging around Africa in the hope of a lucrative job or bliar troughing £millions on the world speakers circuit, or mandy conning the world by selling his ‘expertise’
Labour really is without a soul!
Why should we work? Eastern Europeans are prepared to do the work that needs doing.
That allows us to sit at home and watch telly, do drugs, etc.
Bit like the ‘Establishment’ have done over the last few centuries on the back of the British workers that were once proud.
Seems they are now running scared as it looks like these are the people who will see their wealth dissapear funding our benefits/pensions.
What goes around comes around ehh…..
It isn’t “educational egalitarianism” that creates poor schools in Britain; it is the unequal system that allows the wealthiest, most influential and powerful members of society to opt-out and purchase something different from what everybody else gets left with. There’s no incentive for decision makers to change things, because they have no personal investment in the system.
The European countries with the most successful educational systems tend not to allow private education or to severely curtail it. It isn’t “progressiveness” that ruins British education, so much as a system that’s rooted in the nineteenth century.
Don’t know which European countries you are referring to that don’t allow or severely curtail private education..what happens in most is that state sector schools are known for quality and the controlling forces within them are fiercely selective in their intake to limit the dilution of their success….the only difference being the cost to the parent.
As far as I am aware there is no private education system anywhere else in the world quite like the english one…. shame you didn’t have the chance to experience it firsthand…if you had you wouldn’t talk such crap.
It is the lack of ‘progressiveness’ that hinders the state system…the notion that the average is the driving force when excellence should be the ambition and it’s roots in the 19th century are totally irrelevant today. Teachers should be allowed to foster talent..discipline should be backbone and results the yardstick. The tack of reducing standards to accommodate the average has caused the shambles we now have.
Of course the average is the driving force in the state system; that’s because excellence is reserved for those at the top, who can afford something else. The criticisms you level on standards are perfectly justified, but they can’t be solved mechanistically by notions of “discipline” and “results”, or whatever.
There are deeper forces at play; the critical factor in getting a decent education in this country, as with pretty much everything else, is how much money you’ve got, pure and simple. That’s the state of affairs which fosters poor standards across the board.
By the way, the private sector in British education is notorious, internationally, for its arts-based, classically-orientated approach; that’s why it churns out so many people fit only for the City, while we can’t get anybody decent to teach maths and science in the decrepit state schools you despise so much.
Jody, why should the ordinary people of this country have to accept “what we get left with”? You’ve just about proved my point – level everyone down to the same low standards. Are you happy that schools are turning out young people who are virtually unemployable because they are illiterate and semi-numerate? Why do you think caring parents strive for something better for their children?
By the way, the state systems of other European countries are infinitely better than the crock we’ve been left with by our wonderful “progressive” socialists. I get the distinct impression you lefties are proud of betraying the hopes of schoolkids since the late 1960s.
can’t we just redraw the english-scottish border about 300km further south?
Oh please don’t fucking lump me in with those lazy Scottland bastards, they burn down my ancestors homes and made us all wear kilts back in the day!
Look guys, all we need to do is resurrect Long Shanks and march on Edinburgh, then we get the oil too, bonus!
Listen to me and you wont go far wrong lad!
If you’re in York it is still legal to kill a jock – as long as it’s after dark.
you muist be the hardest person on the internets!! evah!!!!
I bet you could kill a man with your bare twattery
Don’t you have to use a longbow, though?
I’m sure you do to kill marauding Taffs in Chester…
No please don’t do that!
Let’s just draw the line at Hadrian’s wall and keep them there. We don’t want this socialist scottish spend spend spend crew any further south than that!
Draw the line there and you cede a big chunk of England to the Scots you thick fuck !!!
and What about the ENGLISH Socialists who made up 75% of the last Labour Government you stupid thick bigoted twat ?
Reagan won’t turn up. He’s dead.
You Tyke Tossflap.
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itz coz they iz chippy twatz innits?
Turning the permanently on welfare state into a working state isn’t going to happen without drastic and radical surgery to the whole rotten system. Once people are paid not to work, for whatever reason, and they find they can get by without working, where’s the incentive to get back to work?
The other problem is that a significant proportion of these people are actually unemployable and exhibit no signs of wanting to do anything other than sponge off those that do work. They are the real problem…
Where’s the incentive to get back to work?
Simple. You don’t work you don’t eat!
Our grandparents lived by that and some of us still live that way.
send em up the fucking chimneys or herd them into poorhouses
Grandparent’s days … and you WORKED to support your family too!
Dole scroungers should be made to work for their dole if not genuinely disabled. This would have to be things that private firms don’t do, such as picking up litter etc.
working for money ? wouldn’t that be a FUCKING JOB YOU RETARDED DICKHEAD
FFS
There are firms that pick up litter fuckwit. Should we put people who want to do those jobs out of work, to employ people who don’t?
If they’re Polish…..YES
Regardless of whatever party is in power they’ll run the country into the ground.
Facts of life:
1. Lowlife freeloaders will always be with us.
2. Over tolerant lefties seeking to buy votes by making lowlifes dependent on the state will always be with us.
3. See 1 & 2.
Sad but true.
Members of hardworking families in Lidlpool are around five times as likely to become incapacitated as those in Wokingham.
That is social injustice if ever we saw it!
The last thing we should do now is cut Lidlpudlians’ benefits before they’ve had the anticipated positive effects for which the ‘Labour’ party implemented them!
And how would BSkyB replace its lost revenue?
The lovely Lidlpudlians don’t pay for Sky! There’s a bloke round the pub that sorts it. You know, the one with the dog?
I’ve never been to Lidlpool, but it sounds a nice place if, despite all their bad luck, animal-loving folk are helping one-another out in the way you describe.
This ‘Sky’ thing: is it any good?
Nah! – waste of time. The only good thing was Francis and the Sky weather girls – and they’ve dumped them!
Do they still have topless darts?
I grew up in liverpool so don’t take too much of the piss – let’s talk about geordies instead – load of fucking wankers
Your choice of comparator is hardly pathognomonic of over-ambition, anonymong…
I don’t know what the fuck you just said,
but if you are implying that comparing Geordies and Scousers is a bit like comparing cat shit and dog shit, then I agree 100% ( not 110% or 1000%, I find 100% is more than enough!)
W.W.
They are all scum and don’t forget the cockney london dildos
I think you will find that cockneys no longer exist, that particular part of London having been transformed, into a vibrant third world corner of the balkanised UK.
where does he live ?
The Cockneys were ethnically cleansed without a single camp being built, or a single shot fired. Eastenders propagates the myth of an ongoing community and presence, much as Coronation Street does for Manchester.
I’m not sure what Gove’s ‘free schools’ (aka GM) are going to do for the so-called ‘shameless’ section of society. Few of them are at the already ‘outstanding’ schools that can opt out. And once opted out I can’t see said schools clamouring for more (some) of the ‘deprived’.
it’s going to be watered down anyway
I was brought up in the 40′s/50′s in a deprived working class area, yet many of my contemporaries have done well and made good careers.
The reason we obtained a reasonable education was the extremely tight discipline in every aspect of the schools.
Class sizes were typically over 40 yet discipline maintained order.
Modern child centred education has failed because the average child has little discipline at home and knows that if a teacher tries to exert discipline he or she will lose their jobs.
The problem is magnified when the child comes from the disfunctional families in sink estates.
Unless a child learns discipline he or she has little chance of achieving full potential.
Agree 100%. I hope Gove means it when he talks of addressing the ‘rights/responsibilities’ agenda.
True, but not acceptable to lefties.
Can’t be any worse than the shit kids get from the modern crop of rubbish PC/AGW indoctrinators and Britain haters that infest Schools these days.
Those imposing it on us at higher levels – who are following Govt policies – perhaps. Most on the front line are trying their best in spite of it. Are you a teacher too? You seem to know so much about the reality of what teachers face in (and out) of the classroom… (not).
No AC1 is a professional Blowhard.
Does anybody really believe 11.7% of Liverpudlians are incapable of work? That is 73.6% higher than elsewhere in the country.
Either
- Labour have let Scousers down with hospitals and medical treatment
- Insufficient funding is provided to businesses to make adjustments to get people into work
- There is something dodgy going on!
44.6% claim Mental/Behavioural disorders.
That’s 5.22% of Liverpudlians.
This is over double the national rate.
So do we believe Scousers are mentally unstable?
How thorough are the local mental health checks given to Scousers? I’m sure a few good psychiatrists could slash the number in weeks, with proper medication/weeding out of fraudsters.
“Fatherless kids” !!! Cripes! These scousers are feckless.
“dysfunctional families with chaotic workless lifestyles” !!! loutish scousers.
fuck you Hoonie, you hypocritical bastard la
Or maybe the Scousers are smarter. If there’s no local work available, making the most out of the system makes Schweikian sense – it’s the law of unintended consequences again. If the coalition closes the welfare loopholes they have to prepare the ground for (legal) entrepreneurialism.
Remove the single biggest obstacle to the poor seeking work, income tax.
The biggest single obstacle is lack of jobs. We have given millions of jobs to immigrants, and quite honestly, we haven’t really got millions to give away. We just haven’t got many real jobs; we don’t produce enough.
It’s now inevitable that a sizeable proportion of the population will be welfare-dependant, and many of them are happy enough about it.
Best just to accept our declining status; it’s depressing and stressful to get too indignant about it.
“dependence on welfare transfers from the productive, working classes” !!!!
what scum!
You’re not wrong there.
it’s funny how the elites make grandiose statements about others, workers and people on benefits, without having a fucking clue about whom they are talking. They sit there pontificating about who they are and what they should do without a fucking clue as to the social obstacles ordinary people face
Hi Polly – on the Bolly are we?
fuck off nonce
Such language, Polly. You used to be such a nice girl ……. although a bit dim, I seem to remember.
I’m a twat and you must be polly polly polly polly polly polly polly polly polly polly polly polly polly polly polly polly polly polly polly polly polly polly polly polly polly polly polly SQUUUAAAWWWWK!!
Such erudition makes me think…….
pointless wank
FFS just do it!
Or do we have, really, just another bunch of prating, dangerous losers?
(Answr NOT required)
Easy steps.
1. have they done what they said they would do?
A. Partly but it’s early days
2. how does it feel?
A. a bit odd
3. has anything changed?
A. well some quangos have gone but others have arrived. There’s no more money or jobs. There’s still loadsa corruption at the highest levels. So basically nothing’s changed and the police are still free to roam our streets and kill people without anything happening to them
And the Banks borrow money at bank rate 0.5 percent and mortgage loans cost more than five percent.
You were right about the killing though.
P
Any allegations of murder by the police will be fully investigated before being found to be perfectly okay.
Dr Liam Fox, the Defence Secretary, has every right to feel betrayed by George Osborne, the Chancellor of the Exchequer, over his decision that the replacement costs for the Trident nuclear deterrent system be found from the core MOD budget. Setting aside for the moment the fact that the capital costs for Trident have previously been met by the Treasury, Mr Osborne’s decision seems as though he has now decided to side with David Cameron in his bitter rivaly with the Defence Secretary, who is regarded with suspicion by Downing Street because of his unofficial status as the standard bearer of traditional Tory right-wingers.
Maybe the self-aggrandising c’unt will have to cut his coat according to his cloth now, and the need to save money will lead to sensible economies in back-office staff and consultants.
Or perhaps he’ll just arrange for useful idiots like you to claim that he’s the standard bearer for the right – personally I’d have thought that David Davies was rather more well known and charismatic, but your view may differ.
“Rather more well known” after only five years in Parliament? That was quick work!
Or are you thinking of David Davis?
Can’t I be the standard bearer too?
No, it’s a job for an earthling.
needs jobs though to work,
I hated having to work for a living and would never have done a stroke in my life if I hadn’t had to.
I would have been thoroughly happy drawing benefits on a permanent basis, but here’s the rub – they were never enough to give me a decent house, enough food, a car and a few holidays.
Now I am retired I am ecstatic with the thought that I am not a wage slave and my pensions are just enough for a modest life style in a paid-for home.
Work is for idiots, or those, like me, forced to work to exist.
WORK is a four letter word – avoid it if you can.
Cameron is a c unt!
The only reason that he wishes to have Turkey in the EU is to placate
Mustaffa Shag
The Mayor of London
Can I see your IUD?
Watch out Boris – Trevor Phillips is about to pop a Dutch cap in your ass…
Im open to offers from anybody
Nick – we’ve all threaded your arse you whore.
Labour have created a co-dependent society. A society that looks to the government to solve it’s problems. Labour thrives on such collective neediness which is why the country is in the taste it’s in.
The Coalition will struggle to break this co-dependency. People have been brainwashed with collective bullshit, a Nanny State, cradle to the grave welfare, chip and pin schoolkids, Big Brother, Tax credit for well off, Asbos and other idiotic experiments.
The question is how do you get people into a more positive and a less dependent mindset which makes them more of an individual and more productive? It will be difficult because m* rkets exploit a collective mindset and sheeple thinking. It is how they sell goods.
Maybe a balance can be achieved b/ween the individuals, the collective, the State and the m* rket. Which makes freedom and responsibility it ethos and main selling point.
more freedom please
and leave it in piles of £100 notes
I never needed the state for anything
Nick
May I just say that there will always be a special place for you within my tightest ring
Oy! Why the faack should I has 2 get work? I like me free benefit money! It’s well gud and thing. Me and my Darren sit on our batties and watch Jeremy Kyle and get pissed on White Lightning. It’s well gud. Now faack off and go get us our benefits.
why don’t I have a daddy mummy ?
The other day my boyfriend said I was full of shit.
I’d have answered back but my mouth was full.
We may have left the country in tatters but remember: We gave you child tax credits! Only Labour gave you child tax credits! Forget about the £155 billion deficit. We gave you child tax credits.
and don’t forget the 4.84 Trillion Debt lavished on Labour Voters and to be paid for by everyones children being poorer than their parents!
That’s progress, Marx style!
iz they is like commienazies ? innitz ?! ?!?
Mummy, how did you and daddy meet?
When I was handed a bottle of anonyspunk at the jizz donor clinic.
why so was I ! we have so much in common
you should meet my husband Dave but he’s busy licking Nick’s balls at the moment
Ooooh gosh, you’re REALLY excited by the thought of other people having gay sex, aren’t you?
Oooh gosh, you’re REALLY excited by the thought of other people having gay sex, aren’t you?
so good you came twice!
I’m coming out!
me too ducky!
I refer the Honourable Member to comment 163 above.
I refer the Honourable Member to my repeated comments above
Oooooh gosh, you’re REALLY excited by the thought of other people having gay sex, aren’t you?
My husband says he wants to try something he saw in a pay per view movie. He says it’s called bukkake. I don’t know what that means. I asked Caroline Flint and she just smirked.
Chris Huhne keeps asking me for this
Caroline dear, I thought scotch egging and wolf cookies were your thing
you haven’t seen my ‘secret’ sex tape
I wonder, by my troth, what thou and I
Did, till we lov’d? Were we not wean’d till then?
But suck’d on country pleasures, childishly?
Or snorted we in the seven sleepers’ den?
‘Twas so; But this, all pleasures fancies be.
If ever any beauty I did see,
Which I desir’d, and got, ’twas but a dream of thee.
And now good morrow to our waking souls,
Which watch not one another out of fear;
For love, all love of other sights controls,
And makes one little room an everywhere.
Let sea-discoverers to new worlds have gone,
Let Maps to other, worlds on worlds have shown,
Let us possess one world, each hath one, and is one.
My face in thine eye, thine in mine appears,
And true plain hearts do in the faces rest,
Where can we find two better hemispheres
Without sharp North, without declining West?
What ever dies, was not mix’d equally;
If our two loves be one, or, thou and I
Love so alike, that none do slacken, none can die.
We raped Britain and we’re proud of it! Fuck you! We made out like bandits with your money!
stupid c’unts
Hiya Gaydo xxx .
Look – if it’s legal for the Icelanders to cull the unwanted mammals wot wash up their shores , ain’t we entitled to do somethin similar wiv ours ???
I knows they ain’t all washed up but they DO need cullin , honey x .
It would be for the greater good , I spose
I’ll do the the first coupla hundred .
Love E x .
You’re right, of course: the way to improve society is to behave as if the people around us aren’t human beings.
I know I do
Any lass fancy pouring curry sauce on her belly for me to lick off?
I ate all the curry sauce ya daft booger and I gave the lass to Boris to eat
Neither of you are remotely funny
E x .
ROTFLMFAO!!
If I want to hear from a useless camp twat I’d watch Graham Norton
Thankfully I’m not that fucking stupid
LMAO !!!
Thanx for that giggle xxx .
E x .
mwah x x x x loveee pooos
“Thankfully I’m not that fucking stupid”
The irony of it all.
the irony of the irony of.. oh wait.. there needs to actually be some irony or I just look like a stupid cun’t desperately clutching at straws don’t I ?
I don’t think they like you.
IDS and CMD are making all the right noises, but it won’t happen unless DEBT is brought under control. Economies can’t grow with the debt python strangling them. The only way out of the banking mess is to have organised debt defaults across the western world and re-assess the ‘Fractional Reserve Banking’ system (which is a giant Ponzi scheme to enslave most of the population, especially the poor!) I thnk we invented it, so we can bloody well sort it out!
it won’t happen
We in the Labour Party don’t give a flying wank what you all think. You can whine all you want about the deficit, pensions, dead soldiers. We’re laughing at you. We had a 13-year-long party and have ended up very comfortably off. We forced an unelected prime minister on you and you couldn’t do anything about it. Ha ha! Best of all, we all knew what a violent, unhinged man he was and we didn’t give a shit! Suck on that!
The Hunt that wrote this is the thickest twat I’ve come across in the last five minutes. I see them all day, every day. Dorks, morons, hypocrites, losers, sycophants. You (Hunt wot wrote this drivel) feed the machine. You are not in a position to spout – YOU funded the great socialist experiment, twat.
“Ooooo. But I think I might be right-wing.”
Ha ha, jerk – You are NOTHING. You feed money into the black hole that is going to destroy us.
How fucking thick can you be? Wanker.
Pathetic.
who ?
We couldn’t have got away with it for so long without the BBC.
So your a sadist as well,the damage you and your sh*ts have done and did will affect you sooner or later shitehawk,suggest you go and live in another country where you can enjoy your riches, and laugh at the damage you have done to this country but think on one saying, what goes around comes around,because it will come back and bite you.
FARKING CUN’TS!!!!
not like brokeback Dave, Oh!!! he’s soooooooo dreeeamy
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We left the country in a great state. We’re proud of our achievements.
Labour will win the next general election with a landslide. And we’ll bring back McBride just to piss you off!
Gordon Brown is a god amongst men and I eat his big jobbies as he pisses in my face
I wank over pictures of Gordon Brown
https://online.gateshead.gov.uk/checkandchallengeonline/Graph.aspx?Area=2&Section=NI151
the target is less than 3/4 employent, says it all.
Just ask the Fabians to come up with their old Eugenics action plan – you know! the one that gave Hitler his wet dreams.
The simple message was “If you cannot contribute to Society then sorry, you have lost your right to remain alive”
How very old hat.
The Fabs took a walk around the block and met themselves coming the other way.
Ever seen a rabbit with myxomatosis?
I’d like to offer a hearty “fuck you” to every one of the ignorant, over-privileged Hunts that tells me I need to be incentivized to work whilst they sit there with their snouts buried in the trough.
I’ve already got an incentive, it’s called a salary.
I paid my national insurance every fucking month and now some mouth-breathing cretin at the job centre has the nerve to treat me like a scrounger? I could do the work of three of those lazy Hunts whilst half asleep.
I love Gordon Brown.
I wuv Dave and I hope he sticks his jobby jabber up my bum hole
I wuv Dave more than you and I feast on his steaming shit greedily
The coalition are doing good work so far. You can tell by the sound of all the lefties screaming.
Conservative Libertarians now have somewhere to go:-
http://www.conservativelibertarian.co.uk
A multi-headed hydra? Worst kind.
So open up Eton and the other public schools and let 50% of the places be taken by these inner city Erberts. After all these public schools claim charitable status, don’t they?
creeps wouldn’t last 5 minutes .
Ben Bradshaw sits on my face every night. I love it.
Ooooooh gosh, you’re REALLY excited by the thought of other people having gay sex, aren’t you?
It is laudable to try to fix the “underclass” problem but first you must fix the middle class problem.
Everyone with a University “education” has been brainwashed into believing in Big Government whether for reasons of “fairness”, “green wash”, or “internationalism”.
The number one problem is to reverse the ill founded chattering class belief in the State’s wisdom. How could Brown have been allowed to talk about confiscating income and allocating it to partisans as “injecting money into the economy”?
Stealing my money and giving it to quango box tixkers only “injects” money into he coffers of the German car manufacturers from whom they buy their wheels and the Japanese consumer electronics manufacturers from whom they buy their home entertainment. It does not “inject” money into the UK economy.
tell yer summat else too
the quangos aren’t really being abolished, there being assimilated into the new structuresd being invented, so no one actually loses a job and no real savings are made, and the unelected arm of the state remains in situ.
so there, it’s all a bloody illusion
Taxation is theft.
I’m a bit short this morning
In a letter to the Guardian today, 220 MPs, former MPs and candidates in south and east England say that Balls, the former education secretary, is the worst candidate for leader because he fails to understand what is needed to regain voters’ trust and they urge him to stand down now.They go on to say that Ed Balls is a foul mouthed bully who dishes out verbal abuse but is unable to take any abuse in return.
That means he could win.
Then the BBC would revert from Blair’s or Brown’s broadcasting company into Ball’s Broadcasting Company.
Don’t times change?
Surely to fix society is to fix da management first,these people are the main beneficiaries of the productive working classses,are mp’s,lords,(un)civil service,local councils all using the laws to legally steal the money they extract from the workers to feather there own nests,the other useless lot are just copying what the above are doing only using different methods that da managment have put into place to enable the da mangement carry on getting votes to keep them on the public teat,
Worklessness predates the welfare state. But this only underlines the scale of Labour failure. In Brown’s own town of Kirkcaldy, there was mass unemployment in the 1930s. So they built a waterfront esplanade which dominates the town to this day. They were not simply given money, and would not have expected that. Same for the other schemes that undermine personal responsibility…breakfast clubs etc that give ‘parents’ more money to spend on tattoos, tans and tat. As well as material poverty, there is a poverty of expectations, ambitions and values.
“Social mobility has been destroyed in the name of educational egalitarianism.”
Social Mobility was destroyed by the evil Thatcher regime destroying British industry.
“no society should tolerate cities where a quarter of the population is without work and dependent on benefits”
So true. That’s why we used to have governments that tried to create jobs rather than run the economy for the benefit of the rich, often rich foreigners.
“Blair realised this by his third-term, too late to do anything about it”
Blair is a traitor who wilfully followed and worsened the Thatcherite policies.
Regime change is the solution; followed by lots of revenge against the guilty liblabcons.
Sounds like you urgently need a triple shot of Temazepam.
but enough about you
If Britain is ever to be fixed, it’ll require a quantum shift in attitudes not just from the welfare dependant, but from the middle classes as well.
Damn straight. Stop them buying the Guardian, embracing council ‘initiatives’, still voting ZaNuLabour.
Herd the scum into gulags. Better yet, conscript ‘em. Give those Taliban johnnies what for.
190 Anon – “Regime change is the solution….”
I reckon a lot of folk would agree with you, but it won’t happen without very large quantities of modern weapons mysteriously appearing in professionally led private hands. Otherwise, we’d just get our own version of Hungary 1956 or Prague, Cz 1983. Many people would also be incapable of overcoming the deliberate social conditioning that’s taken place during the last 50 years or so and would actively cooperate with the devil they know.
Overcome these problems and I suppose you’ve got a chance!
But regime change did eventually happened in East Germany, Hungary, Poland and Czechoslovakia…..in 1989. Perhaps all it will take is a Greece going under to have a domino effect on the rest of western Europe.
I suspect the smarter ones in the establishment know damn well things can’t go on like this forever. But like con-men running a pyramid scam, they have to keep up the pretence right to the bitter end, just before it all collapses and they do a runner.
I am a gibbering wreck
I find it amusing those that sit on their fat arse’s in Westminster pontificating about a broken society and a dependency culture are themselves the worst example of ignorance stupidity and greed one could imagine.
Their only job of propping up a crumbling edifice is very expensive and a lot of hard work, but that’s ok providing its not at your expense, and of course, you’re not doing the work!
There’s only one answer that’s going to work. Get rid of tax allowances, and make the base rate of tax negative up to a few k. You work, we’ll add to it.
Ed Balls:”I always wanted to be a lavatory attendant”
I loved it yesterday evening when a bbc interview in Sweden with a social worker went totally wrong for them.
There was a long silence when the social worker stated that the state used to pay illegal immigrants a daily allowance, but now they got nothing, and generally resorted to being drug dealers to stay alive.
Also the police seemed to be incapable of enforcing the law with the immigrants. mainly from Africa.
So we are unfortunately not alone in being a broken society.
The political class has done everything it could to create the broken society it now sheds crocodile tears for. From smashing industry, to importing millions for votes and serf labour, to dumbing down education, all were ticking time bombs waiting to go off.
Thanks Labour, Tories and Lib Dems. How can we ever repay you.
Yes, the idea that Sweden is Eden is sadly mistaken. A lot of resentment about immigration.
The problem for many people is that their full time occupation is that of full time scrounger.
They did not want that as their job title, but it was all that was available.
They could earn bugger-all working for a pittance, but they’d rather ensure that their family gets a decent income.
That’s the rub, you see? It is their job (as they see it) to provide a decent income for their family. And if being a scrounger is what it takes, then that is what they will do.
Radical changes will have to be made. Changes that will benefit everyone. Changes Labour could not be arsed to even think about.
Benefit Wankers!!!
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Doesn’t matter what they do at home if our reputation is fucked abroad. Young Dave’s grasp of world affairs is about as detached from reality as it can be. After 2015 he should consider a career lecturing in IR at red brick he would fit in so well.
It is David Cameron and not David Icke we have elected isn’t it?
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This worries me because talent may be ignored and lost due to the lack of social mobility.
The problem works both ways: entrenched social status favours encumbents (who may do shoddy, suboptimal work) at the expense of new entrants. The solution is to establish networks which spot and nurture talent. And yes, this is another howl of anguish at the loss of our Grammar Schools.