Ring-fenced Democracy
And then they were gone:
Given the excuse was that the protesters were prohibiting the wider public enjoying the Square, Guido doesn’t quite get the fence…
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Gobby livens up the Brooks’ press conference:
“Have you had any messages of support from the Prime Minister?”
The last Quango in Paris says:
Mr Bryant and Mr Watson managing to make the whole hacking affair look like a farce – the more they moan the less I care about the whole subject! So partisan it beggars belief at all costs. They cannot rise above it ! If I was to call the PM a ‘liar’ I would want to be VERY sure.
The fence is to stop them getting back in as they’ve said they will return.
I’ll bet it smells a lot nicer there now.
That beautiful lawn gang-fucked by swampies.
Boo
That’s why it is fenced off. The problem with these people is that the environment starts somewhere else…
I loved an article whish described how the anti-capitalist protesters in the camp went to use the toilet facilities at a nearby McDonald’s, as the straw toilet of the enviromentalists in the camp was too gross for them.
The irony was totally lost on the protester though.
I would have given them a grant to develop it, sustainably of course!
It would be funded out of increased carbon taxes.
Well . . . any taxes.
I like taxes.
I seem to remember you celebrating and enjoying a dr*ink or 12 with Brian Haw Guido. No longer useful is he?
Quelle fucking surprise Mr Ned. Middle class rebellious crusty scum and professional public sector shirkers.
Should have gone for the Tienanmen Square approach instead.
I loved an article in the Daily Mail that made copious use of brainless stereotypes for their feeble minded readers.
The irony was totally lost on the average Mail reader though.
the journos were complaining about it
Dave thanks you for your bleating support in this squashing of protest
so his boss Obama doesn’t have to see those anti-war protesters while he is here
That is so true.
Hence their enthusiasm for ruining tracts of natural or unnatural (in their eyes) farmland and other rural landscapes with wind turbines or the pylons to bring the product of off-shore wind generation onshore.
They then have the brass neck to accuse us of being NIMBYs! I know, let’s turn Hyde Park into a wind farm cut down all the trees and replace them with turbines with a 500 meter exclusion zone — then we’ll see who are the NIMBYs.
Good idea!!!
Unfortunately windmills are only good for tax-payer subsidy.
It takes more energy to manufacture the average windmill, than the windmill will generate in its lifetime, because most windmills are in use for less than 30% of the time.
If windmills worked, then I would be very much in favour of them and would willingly accept the aesthetic blight and noise pollution that they cause.
But, what is the problem, to which windmills are the answer? It isn’t How can we produce sustainable, affordable, green, energy? that’s for sure.
Public Relations for retards of course
fill it with water, perfect mudhole. ideal for all the piggy MPs
ha ha
A no protest zone within a no protest zone and still a lawful protester allowed to protest there.
“New politics”
That fence line at the bottom of the picture reminds me of the goal line in the England Vs Germany game.
Same old ‘democracy’
alas, the putrid stench of criminals and corruption is still wafting out of the place over the road
And yet you still tried to get elected to a job in there…
Hmmmmmmmmmmmm. It would have been fun though, wouldn’t it O.H.?
What I would have given to see your maiden speech.
We want….a shrubbery!
LMFAO!!!
Applause… Coffee => screen!!!
I was listening to the radio during the night as the eviction was taking place. Why did the police wait for 1am? Was it so the police would not be seen by the tourists? Was it so there were not many video cameras around to record the eviction? Or was it because there’s nice cushy overtime payments for 1am?
Now the tourists will look at Parliament Square and really will think it looks like a piece of cr@p. They can’t even photograph Churchill’s statue on the corner of the square.
The Tory mayor is no different to New Labour……
It was so the demonstrators would be asleep you daft bugger, and less likely to call up their Tarquinista mates.
They are going to build a big MacDonalds there hopefully. I haven’t had a big mac for ages. Get in!
Health and safety … presumably. the site is going to be relandscaped
Make the stinking f*ckers pay for the damage to public property. I suppose the poor taxpayer gets the bill again.
Next time this kind of thing happens they should tip the bastards upside down and empty their pockets, take their jewelery and other possessions and put them in an auction to pay for the repairs.
Or place an attachment on their bloated public sector salaries!
They’re going to use it for overnight accommodation for MPs
Could we not dig a large hole there and use it for a mass gave for all the fucking Socialist twats?
Bliar, Mandelmong, McMong, Campbell (especially that twat) and all the jock fuckers, Livingturd oh and the twats at the BBC.
Now theres an idea.
With a dance floor.
the libcons are the progressives now
Not big enough. Refurb Hadrian’s wall, and chuck the fkrs over it.
Good riddance!!!
Why shouldn’t people have the right to protest outside Parliament?
Nobody is stopping them from protesting. They are stopping them from living an extended time on that green and turning it into an open toilet. That green is not residential land.
I am glad that these “protestors” have been moved on. They are more than welcome to return and march past Parliament, but there was no need to turn that pleasant green into a permanent hippy camp.
Brian Haw’s protest reminds us of the crimes of the previous two Parliaments. We did not need this eyesore on top of that legitimate protest of Brian’s.
well i live in nottingham so i never have to walk past the green and to be honest it might a good thing that’s it turned into an open toilet as that may remind the politicans how there policies are turning the hole country into an open toilet.
There is more than enough human shit inside Parliament without it being spread on the greens around Parliament.
Well said Mr Ned, my thoughts exactly. The camp was a horrible eyesore in the cradle of democracy (not that we have same, but you know what I mean). And why carry on the protest when the current Govt has expressed its desire to pull out of the war?
The Square is public land and should never have been annexed by a tiny minority for their own purposes, whatever the merits of their protest
The detail about the anti-capitalist protesters using the facilities at Macdonalds is a hoot – irony and socialism are of course incompatible
lots of Daily Mail clucking and obfuscation on here today by pretending those willing to demonstrate against an illegal war (as opposed to the great sacrifice of blogging) were all dirty hippies or anti-capitalists
they weren’t, so try again
the anti-war protestors were however, 100% right about Iraq and Afghanistan and they were right long before all the Johnny come lately’s jumped on the bandwagon
it’s a shame the Daily Mail types only seem happy if they protested in pinstripes and a tie in a lovely garden designed by some twat on a TV show, but they cannot help their small minded outlook any more than their blinkered definition of when it is right to protest or when it is not
if the State tells you when and where and how to protest and you accept it and even help them justify it, then you are worse than a sheep
They weren’t protesting they were camping. I protested outside the G8 at Gleneagles a few years ago, I’m not still bloody there. A protest about a particular thing outside parliament is fine, wallowing around in your own shit in a public place saying capitalism sucks whilst blogging on your iPhone is not.
Sounds like heaven to me.
Nicely put.
Yes
This camp had ceased to be a single legitimate protest, but had split into a cacophony of left wing, self-contradictory diatribes.
Anti-capitalists and anti-globalisation protesters campaigning together with people who want to tackle climate change?
Now if you cannot spot the massive irony in that you need help.
OK Here’s the help. The catastrophic man-made climate change scam is ALL ABOUT creating a single global government to control our use of carbon (our production and use of energy) which effects every single aspect of all of our lives.
It is globalisation on steroids and these environmentalists are totally in support of it. The global corporations LOVE the green movement as it is a control-freak fascist’s wettest of dreams. It is also a marketing dream too.
So that is how it ceased to be a legitimate protest as it hijacked a legitimate anti-war peace protest and then was arguing against itself in a completely incoherent way whilst alienating the public and causing actual environmental harm as a public health hazard.
It turned off almost ALL of the demographic whose support the peace movement needs most. The peace movement needs to engage with the military families and the people in this country (who happen to mostly be middle-upper class) who happen to have the most influence in this country. A filthy open sewer hippy camp was NEVER going to achieve that.
That is why I am glad that this filthy hippy camp has gone and that has NOTHING WHATEVER to do with restricting our ancient and lawful right to protest.
I fully, 100% support our ancient and sovereign right to protest. This filthy hippy camp was harmful of this ancient right as it was bringing the ideal of protest into disrepute.
says you
Best post of the comments
BRa-Vo!
Obama agees with you
Probably the fence is to protect the public from the bio-hazard that is now Parliament Square. When will they fence off the Houses of Parliament, too? The smell and stench of pigs is awful.
Hopefully they will lay some new turf?
It’s to keep the soap-dodgers out while they de-shite the site.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v205/laterskater/kill_a_hippie.jpg
Bastards should have been thrown in jail ’til they coughed up Boris’s legal expenses and then made to work repairing the mess they’ve made.
The DWP-DSS should investigate each and everyone of the scum, as clearly no-one was seeking employment, and as all undertaking political activity, technically employed and not eligible for any benefits.
Taxpayers should not be penalised financially by these idle lefty layabouts.
Yeah, better we give all our money to greedy bankers instead…..
Better we don’t give our money to any of them, you twat.
they were protesting against a pointless unwinnable war that is costing the lives of british soldiers and indirectly flooding our streets with heroin – you think we’re afghan to bring ‘democracy’ or protect the heroin trade which the taliban 98% had eliminated before we decided to invade and remove them from power.
taxpayers shouldn’t be paenalised to keep corrupt warlords and drug barons in power the other side of the world.
Tat, Afghanistan was invaded to remove the Al Qaeda training camps. Job done, the Taliban moved in to fill the vacuum financed by the trade in heroin.
The notion that the Taliban almost abolished heroin trafficking is as laughable as you setting up your own blog.
Dont believe what the corporate media tells you :-
JALALABAD, Afghanistan (February 15, 2001 8:19 p.m. EST)
U.N. drug control officers said the Taliban religious militia has nearly wiped out opium production in Afghanistan — once the world’s largest producer — since banning poppy cultivation last summer.
A 12-member team from the U.N. Drug Control Program spent two weeks searching most of the nation’s largest opium-producing areas and found so few poppies that they do not expect any opium to come out of Afghanistan this year.
http://opioids.com/afghanistan/index.html
Then within 6 years of the ‘liberation’ of the taliban:-
Opium production in Afghanistan, which provides more than 90 percent of the world’s heroin, broke all records in 2006, reaching a historic high despite ongoing U.S.-sponsored eradication efforts, the Bush administration reported yesterday.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn…120101654.html
Also do some Googling on Al Qaeda and you’ll discover the Al Qaeda is CIA database of muhujadeen fighters. Essentialy the war was against the CIAs own former agents in the region.
and then they decided to use the destruction of narco billions to hold the CIA to ransom. The CIA balked at this and a carpet of bombs was promised. This was in early 2001.
They were promised, by the CIA, a carpet of gold or a carpet of bombs, it was their choice. The Taliban was trying to cut America out of the narcotics and oil interest in the region. They were dealing with Argentinian oil interests for pipeline deals and shutting down the income from narcotics for the CIA.
The CIA warned them early in 2001 what would happen. They were told that American troops would be in Kabul by the end of October 2001.
Now the drugs are flowing out of Afghanistan at a record rate.
The absolutely idiotic thing is that this drive to eradicate heroin caused a major shortage of poppies for making morphine, and opium poppies are now grown in endless fields in eg Oxfordshire, which are perfectly capable of growing food (or even biofuels).
Nothing grows in Afghanistan except poppies. The land is infertile.
There is a world shortage of morphine for medical use.
Is the solution not obvious, and why have the Govts of the West not arranged to buy the entire crop, thereby killing three birds with one stone? Or is that too simple a solution? Do they not wish to destroy the Mafia, the Taliban and associated evils? Do they not wish to get the local people on our side?
It does make one wonder what the underlying agenda is
The Taliban nearly wiped out heroin production by slaughtering hundreds of growers and setting fire to the poppy fields in 1999-2000-2001. This is established fact and widely referenced.
The Western Coalition have witnessed an increase in the production of opium and heroin almost every year since the Taliban were thrown out of power in Kabul.
Western troops have even protected the convoys of trucks carrying the manufactured product (on a massive industrial scale) out of Afghanistan.
If you want to find the top of the international drug cartels, look to the intelligence services of the global political powers.
These are the people who recruit the next level down (the infamous crime families) who receive protection. Any pretenders to these crime families who muscle in on the trade become the crime families that are subject to the international war on drugs.
Sometimes a top level dealer will get too big for his boots. Then you see what happened to Manuel Noriega in Panama.
This international trade in Narcotics is why there is a near civil war in Mexico and the American/Mexico border is not secured at all in Arizona. In fact a massive tract of land (hundreds of miles) in Arizona has been turned over to the Mexican drug cartels (the ones in favour by the CIA) to allow faster shipment of material and personnel to and from America.
The American militia are mobilising to try to enforce the Federal government’s constitutional obligation of securing the border.
Here come the contras
Ned…. dont take this the wrong way, but arent we getting a little too close to the Tinfoil Hat Highway??
Fubar, no this is all documented and former police and military personel have gone on record. But you won’t hear about it on the BBC or other mainstream outlets.
http://www.wethepeople.la/drugs1.htm
Fubar :-
This one is better quality
Fubar, tell the American Airforce pilots of the C17 transport aircraft that flew tonnes of Cocaine into and out of Mena when Clinton was Governor for the Bush Senior administration that they are tin-foil hat wearing conspiracy nuts.
See how far you get.
Do you really believe that congress OK’s the CIA’s budget for real?
Thanks for the replies… How can I put it… its the kind of stuff you dont want to believe, isnt it?
Like I said Mr N, I dont want to call anyone a Tin Hat wearer unless its so blindingly obvious that what they are propagating is untrue. Unfortunately in this day and age, because there is such an information/truth vacuum around certain events (arguably to protect vested interests), its a conspiracy theorists paradise.
I readily accept though, that it doesn’t mean that there aren’t shady bastards out there both in government service and in business who are more than prepared to pull off these kinds of stunts.
Makes you wonder why the hell the rest of us bother being law abiding when those in high places are seemingly nothing short of quasi-licensed crooks.
Kind of thing that makes you question why the hell you bother getting up in the morning. Not something I like to dwell on.
Since its liberation from Taliban rule, Afghanistan’s opium production has gone from 640 tons in 2001 to 8,200 tons in 2007. Afghanistan now supplies over 93% of the global opiate market.
Tat, the Taliban revived production to finance their war.
You should start your own blog with your looney theories in stead of parasiting off Guido’s audience.
Isn’t there something called poppy-blight currently ravaging that figure? The only thing that’s ever, in my experience, halted the class A supply into this country was the recent domestic and European flight ban: ask any junkie.
I agree with you on Afghanistan. That war is about keeping Karzai’s Brother in power in Afghan and flooding Russia and the rest of the world with very cheap heroin. It is also about Caspian Oil and pipeline routes.
However this protest camp was not necessary to highlight that failing war. In fact it hurt the argument against war. A few jobless hippies in a tent have parked on a green next to Parliament? Who gives a fuck? Move them on!
Nobody is going to stop a very profitable war (for the criminals) because a few hippes go camping and shit out in the open.
As for the protesters, they were protesting about any “pet” left wing bollocks that they were into at the time.
There were camps against capitalism (with tents made in china)
Camps against climate change, (filled with people who did not walk to London)
Camps against banking (with people who probably have their benefits paid into their current account)
Camps against war.
Camps against the coalition being in power.
It was an excuse for a load of left wing dope smoking hippies to live for free in central London and smoke drugs under the noses of the police.
As a protest it was utterly and completely worthless and a failure.
yet when Labour threatened to remove them they were fascist bullyboys
now Dave is in it’s just good clean zero tolerance for protest fun
Labour were wrong to abolish ALL protest within a mile of Parliament. Even marches past parliament without specific permission which could be denied on a whim!
The coalition are not banning a protest.
They are breaking up an unsightly camp that was not achieving anything positive.
Labour wanted them gone. Outcry! Dave does it. It’s fine.
Perhaps you think support for the Iraq and Afghan Wars has gone up ?
You would be wrong. The opposite is true.
Nope, I do not believe that support for either of these wars has increased. And you are still misunderstanding me.
I could not give a shit which government cleared this camp. I am opposed to the war in Afghanistan and this “protest camp” was acting against the interest of people who are opposed to the war. It was turning off people who need to be engaged.
A hippy camp is NOT going to end a war overseas.
As I also said, I was opposed to the banning of ALL protest. This coalition government have NOT banned all protest, but in fact made legitimate protest more easily and legally achievable.
These “protesters” are free to return and march past Parliament any time they like. Scrapping this dirty, unhygienic eyesore is NOT in any way preventing legitimate protest.
This camp had ceased to be a legitimate protest, but became a self destructive eye-sore and served no useful purpose, other than a free nights camping in central London with drugs thrown in.
your opinions on what is the best way to protest are irrelevant
as are your own stereotypes of those in the camp
any protest helps catalyse support
if it isn’t in your favoured idea of a demographic that’s just hard luck
if the the millions who marched had took your advice public dissent would remain forever concealed unless they met your strict criteria of who can and can’t be allowed to protest on the basis of stereotypes
you help the Government by helping justify any crackdown on a protest which they find objectionable for whatever reason
they will use some of the same excuses you have used to justify expanding the crackdown on protesting just like Labour did
good point alot of the anarchist hippy are the biggest hypocrites out. Always screaming about human rights, blah, blah and other trendy issues like 3rd world famers in africa.
There morals soon go out of the window when you offer them some coke (as in cocaine) which they don’t get very often cause they’re always skint and can’t afford it.
They quickly forget with each gram of coke you’r funding a brutal war in columbia and funding some of the most evil criminals on the planet.
Sniff sniiiiiiifffffffffffff!! Top Hole!
People opposed to the war would be better engaged in an information war, presenting viral videos showing the remote drone aircroft bombing wedding parties outside of kabul, just so that a junkie can overdose cheaper in Croydon
Have a poster campaign with the legend “War in Afghanistan? Because we don’t have enough junkies overdosing in Britain”
Filling that square in Parliament with a hippy camp will not engage the public to the cause, in fact it will turn most of them off it!
You need to engage the public. the 30% of the public who have clout and can make a difference. A hippy camp will never persuade military families that this cause is lost or unworthy.
Showing them that their loved ones are being sacrificed overseas to allow a corrupt regime make billions of dollars out of teenagers here killing themselves, MIGHT shame them enough to stop supporting this senseless war.
To do that you need to look like these families, dress like them, engage constructively WITH them and establish a rapport WITH them and then engage them in this message, otherwise the message will be instinctively dismissed totally out-of hand!
A peace camp full of drug smoking hippies is the LAST thing that will work!
good strategy mr ned
It was a repeat of the Greenham Common Wimmin’s camp outside Newbury in the 80s. I know some of those who set it up – they are still convinced that their eyesore of a camp (which was loathed by the locals) helped end the Cold War
If you point out that Regan’s US Republican Govt’s adoption of the Star Wars agenda, with the enthusiastic support of Thatcher, ended the Cold War AND the Soviet tyranny by making it economically impossible for the Soviets to compete, they glaze over and start gibbering
Very true. Improvements in technology also rendered the missiles at Greenham Common obsolete.
The proof that the Greenham Common “wimmin” did NOT win is demonstrated by the fact that these “wimmin” wanted Britain to eradicate ALL of our nukes and become a nuclear free country. Britain retains its nuclear deterrent to this very day and this has the support of most of the house of commons. Therefore those wimmin did not win.
The soldiers don’t think the war is unwinnable.
They just want the MoD to give them the kit.
the soldiers you see on newsnight and tv on a dialy basis are hand picked to tout the ‘we are making progress line’ to try and maintian what little support the public have for the war.
alot of soldiers say say privately the war is unwinnable and lives are being wasted for nothing.
You speak privately to lots of off duty soldiers do you, pal?
The soldiers are programmed to follow orders without question, even to the extent of freely giving their own lives.
They are NOT EVER going to allow themselves to think that this is for an unwinnable cause.
Any troops that do start believing that tend to commit suicide.
they are killing/maiming the soldiers on purpose so they can bring in foreign troops intro this country.
I have just arrived at my hotel with my girlfriend and she was complaining straight away.
” I like the long mirror but the room is a little small ”
We were in the lift. The stupid bitch
Pray remove that c*nt Haw as well, please
up yours Blair
Agreed
Next the Sudetenland!
Love the single blow up plod tent. Are they attempting to prove something?
Is the circle in the middle the place where the unwashed paraded in circles singing crap songs in awe of the green sky fairy?
No. If you want to sing crap songs in awe of the invisible sky fairy, just pop over the road to Westminster Abbey, where sky-fairy worship takes place daily.
I’m not sure if the sky fairy’s green, but he is magic. And invisible.
Bring money.
I wanted to pay my respects at Nelson’s tomb as I was passing St Paul’s on foot the other day.
It would have cost me £12.50 to get into the Cathedral!
Jesus wept. I passed by on the other side
I bet the Tesco under Portcullis House will notice a drop in takings.
Drop in shoplifting more like.
Property is theft, until you start using the ipad daddy bought them from the trust fund.
Yeah, but you can design really cool anti-capitalist logos and posters on an iPad and then instantly share them on facebook (another capitalist multi-billion dollar company) and tweet (another multi million dollar company) an update and hope it trends…
The fact that this “free” information is spread on infrastructure built by multi-national corporations and only exists because of capitalism is lost on the socialists entirely.
I think that these protesters need to learn the difference between free-market capitalism and corporatism (AKA fascism or corporate welfare)
I am the first to protest against the likes of Halliburton getting cost-plus no-bid contracts paid for by the tax-payer. Cost plus meaning that the company is guaranteed to be paid what their operations cost, PLUS a precentage for profit.
This meant that in Iraq they had massive open fire-pits running 24/7. If a truck burst a tyre, they would push the entire truck into the fire and claim for a new truck, because the profit under cost-plus means that the company can charge the tax-payer more money. A 10% increase on the cost of a tyre is nothing compared to the 10% profit on the cost of a truck!
I am also against bailing out banks with billions of pounds of our money just so that they can lend OUR money back to us at interest. This is corporatism and it is anti-competitive and it is wrong!
But genuine, free and open private sector competitive capitalism is A O K by me.
Great posts here Mr Ned. You have been busy on this page.
“the difference between free-market capitalism and corporatism ”
Good to see someone else has rumbled what’s going on.
Any hope of the Coalition offering Mr Ned an Advisor’s post?
You’ve been talking very good sense on here today Sir
And what a pleasant change this thread is from all the adolescent scatology and personal abuse with we so often find ourselves inundated
“But genuine, free and open private sector competitive capitalism”
Doesn’t exist and never has
shame that the past 3 years have exposed to the world that the corporatists are firmly in charge in Wall Street and the Square Mile as well as politically
this is only the beginning of the annexing of Britain by the government for their rich friends in the banks and business. All the promises of ‘we’re all in it together’ will sound hollow as Britain is fenced of with the best bits only for the rich and famous – we’ll all be living in the Isle of Man soon….
Don’t they still hang gayers there?
I don’t like these scrambled eggs. Whose idea was that? Sue’s, I think. And this coffee doesn’t have enough sugar. Whose idea was that? Sue’s, I think. The mushrooms are okay, I suppose, but I didn’t want hash browns. Whose idea was that? Sue’s, I think. I’m off to do a jobby. Whose idea was that? Sue’s, I think.
I rarely agree with Israel but in this case they would have done the right thing
Drive over the crustys in huge armoured bulldozers
So, they could re-name this green the Rachel Corrie memorial garden then?
you’re SO BUTCH ducky
ooooooooh you are a oneeeee..shut that door
who gives a monkey’s f’uck who get the leadership..they’re all cretins
Gordon is expecting to accept an invitation by Harvard to speak on a treaty of salvation…’How I saved the world but lost my marbles on the way’…jobby time….trallaaalllaaa
Now that the fence has been established, will it ever be removed?
Only for the public execution of the last Labour Cabinet
god damned hippies!
I wonder if the land has been recgonised as ripe for development, time will tell
It’s a fucking health hazard at the moment… dirty hippy bastards.
How much is all this costing??????
Freedom of Information request please??
to shagger Boris , London
I guess they didn’t pay the constipation charge.
At least Jubble’s managed one lavatorial joke that’s actually funny
So they can all go back to their public sector jobs. For now…
I would remind the wingers that the Vietnam protests started small & took years to build to their final war stopping crescendo
Is it fenced off so they can build a new mausoleum to house the rotting corpse of the Labour Party?
Christ, they left a mess!
Dave thanks you for your bleating support in this squashing of protest
just so his boss Obama doesn’t have to see those anti-war protesters while he is here