Godless Socialists
Tonight the Labour leadership hopefuls participate in a Christian Socialist Movement hustings in London. Apart from Andy Burnham, are any of them actually practicing Christians? Aren’t they mostly atheists?
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Ai Weiwei in China fighting the taxman…
“Under totalitarian rule, no one is protected by law. We will all be the same helpless victims. When a country insists on its lies, it’s time for an artist to bring forth change.”
Bill Quango MP says:
Ned Flanders – Clegg
Lisa Simpson – Natalie Bennett
Milhouse – Hilary Benn
Martin Prince – Andy Burnham
Edna Krabappel – Luciana Berger
Crazy Cat Lady – Glenda jackson
Comic book guy – John Prescott
Carl – Chucka
Lenny – Philip Hammond
Willie – Eric joyce
Poochie – Gordon Brown
Reverend Lovejoy – Tony Blair
Piss off Pope.
Ah, but he’s a head of state, you see, thanks to Benito Mussolini, the well-known social reformer. That makes it all right.
That’ll upset the religion of peace voters in their constituencies, they’ll be offended.
Good, they should fuck off back to muzzie land.
On that basis we should all kiss the Popes ring, ‘cos I doubt if it’s kosher.
Fuck the Pope and fuck Islam.
The prophet was a paedophile and the Pope’s best friends are too. Religion eh, what a benefit to mankind.
What the fuck is this country promoting these shits for?
The last prominent God botherer politicians of not were Dubya and Blair.
You really want more of that lunacy?
Sorry! I forgot you support Mad Nads and Palin so you probably do.
Fuck the Pope and fuck Islam.
The prophet was a pa-ed*op-hile and the Pope’s best friends are too. Religion eh, what a benefit to mankind.
What the fuck is this country promoting these shits for??
£12M on security for the Popes visit is money well spent if the dirty kiddy fiddling bastards can’t get their hands on our kids
The issue of paying for the visit of a Head of State is probably tied up in reams of unavoidable precedent. The thing is, the Vatican is not a State (for some reason the Wikipedia explanation for this has been amended).
we’re just playing safe by trying to avoid another millipead supported war of aggression against another Muslim nation where both innocent Muslims and British soldiers get killed.
http://www.saudigazette.com.sa/index.cfm?method=home.regcon&contentID=2008110320957
“Britain’s Labor MP Stephen Timms praised Muslims for bringing back faith into Britain.”
… another one on my list.
He was a Head of State before Garibaldi.
Garibaldi? He took the biscuit!!!
B’dum tish!!!!!
Apologies for that- it was a joke worthy of a tossflap.
Erm…….
I thought he was only about 80
I can think of a state I’d like to put some heads in
You can give me a good kicking anytime lover boy.
I couldn’t give a shit whether he’s the head of state or a Vatican bin man. In fact the bin man is more than welcome.
Bin men serve a purpose in society.
you ain’t got the Tala-Bin round your way then?
Our overpaid and pampered fundamentalist refuse service demands almost impossible standards of segregation. They can fuck of with the pope as far as I’m concerned.
Fuck the Pope. That’s what his sad, lonely priests have been doing to young people for decades. Let’s hope the whole hypocritical Vatican edifice crumbles to dust as the appalling abuse scandal widens and engulfs more and more parishes.
If you stand for Parliament in the upcoming GE, when ConDem implode, with policies that reflect your moniker I will vote for you.
That’s what a cabal of corrupt, gay Bishops have been doing for 40 years against the wishes of their laity citing Vatican II as an excuse for liberalisation and substituting ‘treatment’ and ‘discretion’ (just as the academic community recommended) instead of the defrocking and disgrace that was usual before 1968.
This pope has been fighting the liberal bishops for decades and he’s now winning.
Er, what?
Are you advocating that defrocking and disgrace is an appropriate punishment for child rape?
Not trial, conviction and 20 years looking for razorblades in their toothbrushes on the nonce wing like all the other paedo’s?
All this anti popery is, as far as i’m concerned, rather short sighted. In the decades to come, when the Anglican church has become a social group of mostly earnest defeatist liberals and beyond salvation ( and parody), the only body that will be resistant to the march of Islam in Europe as a whole will be the Catholic church. All other bodies and institutions will have melted away..the C of E, parliament, the monarchy,the universities, etc.
Rubbish
Atheism will lead the fight against Islam.
The thing Islam fears the most is atheism.
The thing that will sink Islam in Britain is their young people being seduced by sex and drugs and rock and roll.
frighten them and they will turn to God
OH, Deism is my current postion: He kicked things off and then found something more interesting to do.
Agree with OH.
I think fundamentalism (be it Islamic or otherwise) is a stage in the death of religion as anything more than a hobby, like the CoE – essentially a social club for the middle classes the world has left behind.
As someone said above economic development, education and good old sex drugs and rock and roll are slowly eroding religious support among the young.
Fundamentalists have nothing to offer, and can obtain power only by violence and opression. In the long run, that is a losing strategy. It might take 100 years or more, but it’s over. The fundies will slowly die off and shrink in umber until they are an irrelevance.
OH, Engineer
Sorry you havent a clue what you’re talking about. You completely misunderstand the forces you are up against.
How many atheists are prepared to blow themselves up for something they dont believe in???
Useful idiots. Its because of sex, drugs and rock n roll that they will be able to take over because their enemy are completely weak and distracted that they will allow them.
>How many atheists are prepared to blow themselves up for something >they dont believe in???
Er, what?
So no individual ever in the course of human history has sacrificed their life for a cause they believe in other than religion? Like politics? Equal rights? Workers rights? Patriotism?
There are 0 althiests’ in Afgahnistan right now putting their lives on the line fighting fundamentalist whack-jobs?
Give your head a wobble you tit.
I would suggest there are plenty of both atheists, agnostics and religious moderates who would be prepared to fight to avoid living under a repressive theocracy. Be it an Islamic, Christian or Scientologist.
Liberal society, economic development and scientific advancement have been slowly marginalising organised religion for the last 1000 years. The fundamentalists will simply be increasing marginalised and will ultimately fade into history. I’m not saying it won’t take a long time, and there will not be blood spilled along the way – but I think it is inevitable.
The UK scandals got buried with Nottingham etc.
I’m an athiest, thank God.
Or even an atheist, thank God.
Atheism is a non-prophet organization.
What about us athiests?
Offer thanks and prayers to the Great God spelchekker.
I don’t even believe in atheism.
you’re a belgian twat
believe that
If you phone a psychic and she doesn’t answer the phone before it rings, hang up.
I met Tony Blair once. I didn’t like his holier than thou attitude.
The cost of the pope’s visit…
“We reckon now that the costs, apart from policing, will be somewhere between £10 and £12 million rather the £8 million or so that we were previously calculating.”
I take it the taxpayer is NOT forking out for this?
Then you could be in for a bit of a disappointment…
Up the threat and they’ll tell him not to come. I just saved you 12 million,that will be 1 million commission ta
Our local priest caught six young choirboys tying their willies to the bell ropes so he tolled them off!!!
Is it true that Garry Glitter’s been working in an Undertaker’s? And that he wasn’t able to join a friend in a round of Golf, because he was feeling a little stiff?
The public purse, although empty, will be funding the trip.
So who is paying for it, Ant and Dec perhaps?
YOU are paying for it.
Appalling to know there’s plenty of money to subsidize the Pope’s visit while the school building programme has to be cut.
Taxpayers should spend no more on the visit by the Head of the Vatican City State than they would on the visit by the head of any other state with the same resident population.
Perhaps the Vatican City State should take the opportunity to make it clear whether or not their Head of State the current pope claims the right to depose our Head of State Her Majesty Queen Elizabeth II in the same way that his predecessor Pius V purported to depose her predecessor Elizabeth I.
Would not maintaining such a claim be treason?
Thanks. You’ve just reminded me to submit a proposal to Nick Clegg’s website that a Bill should be introduced to reinstate the offence of Treason, retrospective to the repeal of the former Act.
Presumably they could address a WI meeting without being women?
They’ll pretend to be whatever is convenient in order to secure power,money, influence or the chance to get their kids into a good school.
Indeed they could. However, it will be interesting to see if they “factor in” faith into their presentations.
“Aren’t they mostly atheists?”
god knows
I sincerely hope so. We don’t want mentally ill people running the country.
I concur.
They’re called socialists I believe.
difficult for the Millibands to leave the tribe, look what happened to hesus
They’re hypocrites so they can be both believers and atheists.
I used to be an atheist till I realised that I was God.
Socialism is a religion.
Isn’t being a ‘Christian Socialist’ an oxymoron…
A bit like “Socialist Worker”.
Or a Liberal-Democrat after today !
Many socialists trace their convictions back to Christian teachings but since about the time of the first world war, adherents of Marxist-Leninist thinking have actively discouraged the religious element as it conflicted with Soviet atheism.
It is always funny to see lefties trying for the bible bashers. The front cover of Private Eye showing Sunny Jim Callaghan standing outside a church with two children. The speech bubble from one of the children went something like, ” I didn’t know you went to church Daddy”. to which his speech bubble replies, ” I do around election time!”
“Isn’t being a ‘Christian Socialist’ an oxymoron…”
The same could be said of a Christian politician. Was Bliar a good Christian during his time in office??? Surely the two are incompatible, given the extent of news manipulation and, on occasions, pure invention by politicians in this day and age.
Ah’m a fully paid up member o’ tha sainted ‘n bless’d ones!
Ah sav’d tha wuld too!
Everyone is equal in the eyes of the state
Everyone is equal in the eyes of God
seem similar to me
Religions are what dreams are made of.
What, you mean God is Frank from ‘Blue Velvet’? ‘Cause that’s what my dreams are like, most nights!
Bloody hell. Your dreams must be a bugger to remember.
Dearie me, Stilyagi. What a cry for help!
That has to be worse than taking a shower with Norman Bates every night, a la Groundhog Day.
Or the Candy Coloured Clown turning out to be Gordon Brown.
Obviously the state doesn’t look at politicians then.
Dunno about that. Have a read of your bible. I would suggest that the reputed actions and teachings of Jesus are closer to socialism than any other political philosophy.
But as it’s all made up bollox, who really cares?
This Lot effectively criminalised Christian Beliefs in this country. They have a bare faced cheek. Then again Ms Nokes also has a bare faced cheek so in the hypocricy stakes the parties are fairly equal.
Never mind their religion: aren’t they all members of a party that passed legislation allowing gay activists to get the police to arrest sandwichboardmen?
Big, Big hypocritical band waggon.
Hope they enjoy their happy clappy singalong – pathetic!
Oh fucking Christ, Kum bay ya
bring the boy scouts in for the pope
They’ll waffle and disemble and say all sorts of things such as “I didn’t agree with the invasion of Iraq”, or “At one stage I was unhappy with the way we were managing the economy”, or “I don’t think the cuts are good for the economy (although we would have to do the same if we were still in power)”.
The blarney they will come out with is as nothing to the blarney they spouted over the last thirteen years. This self selecting group of arrogant upstarts will do anything to gain the power that they have convinced themselves they deserve.
Allah be braised
Most are servants of the Anti Christ.
Italian waiters are servants of the antipasta.
The English are the servants of the Islam…..!
Does it come deep fried?
Can I have chips with that?
This reminds me of Browns Manic speech at that Christian Convention shortly before the election. The media reported it as a barnstormer I thought he looked quite mad and desperate.
All barnstormers were mad
(swoop) (dive) (flutter) ACK-ACK-ACK-ACK!!! GOTTSTRAFEGORDON!!! (Immelman) (cuttle)
Indeed
At least David Milliband is an equal opportunity God-botherer.
http://archipelago-of-truth.blog.co.uk/2010/03/04/the-marching-season-8113849/
Fucking heathens. Nail them all up.
Nail some sense into em!
If Jesus had been a member of the Labour Party, he would never have been able to manage with just a few loaves and fishes to feed the 5,000.
……. if he had been Labour, Jesus would have employed 2,500 of the crowd to hand out food to the rest and if anyone had told Jesus he might have to make do with less employees he’d have done his nut and claimed it was unfair to cut the workers in case it caused a double-dip famine. Probably.
There’s a blog post in there somewhere. Something along the lines of Ed Balls handing out imaginary fish and loaves we can’t afford and then going to the IMF for more, whilst fat mobility scootered pretend lepers follow him around demanding that “Jesus” pays all the bills.
I’ll work on it.
Jesus is not a member of the Labour party (nor the Conservatives, nor the LibDems, although the latter two occasionally accept some of his commands) since he did not advocate democracy- instead he asked people to obey God’s laws. You get no political parties in a true theocracy.
You will recall Gordon Brown always compared himself and his party with the parable of the Good Samaritian you know “we will not pass by on the other side” and all that.
The truth however was that far from being that good samaritian Brown was actually the mugger, stealing the pensions of the many and leaving everyone else and their childrens children with a massive debit as a resuly of his actions.
The labour party remind me of the kind of individual who commits a crime then hang about for the Police to arrive , at which point they point down the street and shout he went that way officer !!!!
Thus endeth the lesson.
THAT CLINT CLARKSON RUMBLED ME AND MADE ME LOOK THE TWAT I AM
( 31 minutes in )
http://tinyurl.com/2fd4p7q
Why do people boo me ??
Talking of Clarkson I wonder how many fanbois read and commented on Clarkson of the Times after the great paywall went up this weekend.
In answer to your question, there were THREE, yes, THREE comments to Jezza’s Sunday column !!!
little shit
“Apart from Andy Burnham, are any of them actually practicing Christians?” Who cares? We all know they are all morons from the New Loser Party who are daft enough to want to lead it, hopefully into total oblivion.
I wonder what they will all do if England ever gets its own parliament…
How very different from golden age of NuLabour when God regularly used to seek Blairs advice about world affairs.
Hi!
Yes indeedy! The Deity did oft drop by to get the noos and my advice.
You see, He’s in another dimension, and not too au fait with this one.
That’s why I’m so special.
You may now kneel before me so that I can bestow my graciousness upon you.
And hey – trust me! – I’m a straight kinda air-headed-git-ar-playing guy
Jah gimme rice an pea. Me appy wid all I need praise be.
I think the poster who commented that the next labour prime minister isn’t currently an MP is dead right – he’s in infant school somewhere and about to feel the wrath of the previous administrations incompetence.
He’s still swimming inside his dad’s testicle.
When Jesus was alive a million years ago
He voted Conservative
And Jesus ought to know
But his support was highly strained by the illiberal laws of nicholas herod who:
a) created a law to ban rythmic preaching on hillsides, to groups of more than 8 people.
b) The dangerous dinosaurs act. As we all know, dinosaurs didnt eat meat during the garden of eden period, and his T-rex wouldnt harm a fly.
No I bloody didn’t!
I was a revolutionary communist.
Guido Fawkes is one of my followers and so that means he is a communist revolutionary too.
Spot the difference: Christianity = What is mine, is thine. Marxism = What is thine is mine, for, err, redistribution, innit?
He is alive – and does not vote: in a genuine theocracy (unlike Iran) you do not need elections
I am here.
PERRRAISE THE LAWARD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
“Over 30 people injured by gas in Helsinki Pride march”
Well, that’s the risk of constant anal sex.
Oh my heart goes out to all those poor people who can’t enjoy normal sex like wot I can!
I concur.
banzi all fags
shit Helsinki is not Japan is it,never mind carry on
6 kids did it. They told the fags it was spunk in a can, and all the fags opened their mashed up mouths wide, and got loads of pepper down their arse-sucking throats.
As a poof I really cannot see the purpose of these fucking Pride marches. In fact I resent them. They paint a really shite and dismal picture of gayness. 99.9% of us gayers wouldn’t be seen dead, whether by gassing or otherwise, in a fucking march FFS.
I’d much rather they all fucked off back to Old Compton Street and didn’t block the roads around the West End causing me to have to contribute to policing the damned event through my council tax.
I’m not ‘proud’ to be gay in much the same way as I am not ‘proud’ to be a bloody human being. I am embarrassed to be ‘associated’ with the whole thing.
you can be in charge of gassing the ravers
He certainly can. A gayer talking sense for a change.
As a screaming heterosexual I like the cut of your jib Mr Sarf
Why TF would any person walk about saying “Look at what I like to do in bed ” (or public bogs)
Shoot them and see how “proud” that they feel as their life blood runs in the gutter
I could kiss you for saying that.
And he would f****** love it
You great big bear
No I wouldn’t.
Sarf you tell the truth. How very refreshing.
Totally off topic I know, and for that I apologise.
Who is Gordon browns pair in parliament? And has his Ted Heath sulk had an effect on this members voting record?
Sorry I this has been discussed before but its just occurred to me and Google is no help.
would appreciate any help?
sorry about the ‘?’
keep popping to the shed for a tinny from the man fridge!
What makes you think Gordoom has a pair?
(We could check with Sarah, I suppose. Or Mandy.)
The official practice of ‘pairing’ was ended some years ago, although it still occurs but without any formal status. Thought you’d like to know that.
Wonder who’s paired with Mad Nads and Noaksie ?
Can we organise a Jedi from the Jediism movement to tour Rome and charge the Italians €18m in taxes to listen to the Yoda philosophies? It do can we? Hehe!
Don’t the stonehenge devils have a grand poobah we can send
The Italians have enough money problems already. Send the bill to the Vatican city ‘state’.
F*** the p**** !
I haven’t actually read this
“Orange Book”
But from the title it sounds like a pretty good read
So maybe, just maybe the Libdems could be the future*
*Apart from the queers that infest their ranks with a one way ticket to hell
Huh! The Christian Socialists alienate non Christians and non Socialists. How very non Christian of them.
Good luck to my successor.
I’m hoping to head up the IMF or take up a professorship in the near future. Edinburgh or Ivy League. Decisions decisions !
http://www.heraldscotland.com/news/politics/university-posts-beckon-for-brown-1.1039220
But Gordon I swear I heard you announce on the GMTV sofa pre-election that you and Sarah were devoting yourselves to charitable good works should Labour lose….
I believe in the imaginary friend religious folks call god. I’m a son of the manse.
The Pope is my hero!
Gorgon is MY hero!
He THRILLS me so!
http://tinyurl.com/36qatxz
When can we have a Hindi Socialist movement?
Here – fill in these ‘ere forms.
Then get approval from the Moose Lums
What do you call 1 billion muzees on the moon?
The best place for ‘em.
at last – a reason for space exploration
Infidel! I puts the fatwa on your kafir head!
A Scientology Socialist movement. Now
The Bran Flakes movement a bit later.
Saudi Arabia’s King halts oil exploration
http://notthebbcorp.blogspot.com/2010/07/saudi-arabias-king-halts-oil.html
do you know why?
There is no more oil,it’s been a con for years.
Oil Price to low to pay for the well-nigh 100% benefit payments to his indolent believers…they’d all move to al Q or join the brotherhood if the cash gets short (or decide that the Hashemites up in Jordan were really the Guardians of the Two Holy Mosques like they used to be until the House of Saud appropriated the status for Wahabism).
And building mega mosques around the infidel world don’t come cheap, either.
Sorry to go ‘off piste’ but has anyone noticed how Mr Sqeaker appears to be slating Government Ministers all the time whilst smiling benignly at Lieber MPs? Mrs Bigcow, Sqeakers wifey, is certainly doing her bit for Gorgon’s morons!
Why?
some words are auto modded,we don’t know why,only that Guido is a loony
Truly, Guido mods in a mysterious way.
I’ve been trolling the Guardian recently looks like others from around the internet and country have had the same idea, big troll presence on there now you should come back and put the wind up CIF now and again as well Frank like you used to it.
Link to most trolled?
Mainly subjects that touch a nerve with himself.
I’ve never really understood why so many politicians claim to be Christian. Aren’t most voters atheist these days?
They may be agnostic, but I’m not sure.
Only until Wedding and Funeral time.
Very true Dave Allens ghost – very true!
Hatch, Match & Dispatch
Jesus told me to make $20m from Iraqi oil. So I did. He talks to me a lot, Jesus does. He’s my bestest friend.
there are no atheists on a sinking ship.
oh I don’t know
Yes, but if you’re on a plane struggling to stay airborne, do you want the pilot to be a God botherer prepared for the afterlife, or an athiest who believes you’re only here once, trying to get you down in one piece?
I’d like a parachute
That’ll be extra. Counts as baggage. And don’t shit yourself on the way down, because that’s another surcharge.
Actually, I’d like him to be a Christian trying to get me down in one piece even if he gets killed in the process rather than an atheist who uses his ejector seat and parachute to get down fairly safely while I get smashed when the aircraft hits the ground.
Some of you aggressive atheists are just plain stupid as well as being offensive and slanderous. You cannot cure your stupidity so I suggest that you choose between shutting up and cutting back on the offensiveness and slander.
Some of us aggressive athiests are sick of loony sky pixie followers expecting the rest of humanity to indulge your fantasies of the chosen few, dictating to the rest.
If heaven is so wonderful, the sooner you move there, the better.
i can get you there fast
“I’d like him to be a Christian trying to get me down in one piece even if he gets killed in the process rather than an atheist who uses his ejector seat and parachute to get down fairly safely while I get smashed when the aircraft hits the ground”.
You massive knob.
+1
Are you bullshitting again, AC1?
Marx, Hitler, Stalin, Robespierre…, Communist Party of the Soviet Union, Mao, Castro, Chavez, Marquis de Sade……atheists all.
If that bunch of jokers were right, I’m happy to be wrong with my quaint little illusion.
As long as the stillness in the storm is happy to be wrong with his quaint little illusion, let the dopey fucker indulge himself in his opiate induced nirvana, as long as he pays for it himself.
While you’re down on your knees…..
Cum hoc ergo propter hoc.
cum : (prep + abl.) with.
cum : (with subjunctive) when, as, while, since, although.
cum : (with indicative) when.
“… aggressive atheists?” How can straight rejection of theism be aggressive?
After all the fundmentalism from Christofacist, Islamofacist and (Buddhism aside) supporters of just about every other major religion on the face of this planet, someone who walks away from it all is aggressive?
I suggest you are unhinged.
You might like to read my comment before answering next time. Of course it is not aggressive to simply reject theism, nor is it automatically stupid (although anyone who claims to *know* that God does not exist claims omniscience for himself) although it is my personal opinion that it is a mistake. What I said was “some of you aggressive atheists” which does not refer to those willing to conduct a rational civilised discussion and does not deny the existence of Richard Dawkins who is an intelligent aggressive atheist.
Also as a Christian presumably you are also an athiest with respect to, ooh, I dunno – Thor, Woden, Athena, Mars, Ra etc etc.
Why is it so hard to understand that we lump your zombie jesus and his bag man with the dress, silly hat and a hardon for child abuse in with them?
Karl Marx said “The only true enemy is Christianity”.
Perhaps because you can’t create a communist society without 100,000 useful idiots who are prepared to carry out subversion techniques like trauma through injustice if a country is strongly Christian and therefore has the same moral belief system.
All you atheists seems also not understand how God is built into English Common Law. In English Common Law, sovereignty lies first with God, then with us, the people, then the judges (purely as arbiters of the law) and then the government are bottom of the heap. Parliament does not have permission to change Common Law, they can only introduce Status Law, which, we the people, who are sovereign can either ‘consent’ to or not.
BTW Blair and Brown aren’t christians.
Indeed. That’s because atheists, being the rational folks that they are, have the sense to get into the lifeboats once the ship starts going down.
Had enough of being censured Guido – shan’t be bothering you again! I suspect many bloggers are feeling the same.
At last!
a small cog with bog blog come for a log
Fuck the Pope and fuck Islam.
The prophet was a pa-ed*op-hile and the Pope’s best friends are too. Religion eh, what a benefit to mankind.
What the fuck is this country promoting these shits for?
So are some MP’s
Indeed, Stephen Timms for one.
“Britain’s Labor MP Stephen Timms praised Muslims for bringing back faith into Britain.”
http://www.saudigazette.com.sa/index.cfm?method=home.regcon&contentID=2008110320957
(Thanks to earlier poster)
Another sap with a fucking death wish.
A fucking socialist promoting the “religion of peace” from his East Ham constituency no less. Fucking traitor.
How about standing up for Great Britain Timms you Hunt?
I keeeel him
One mad mozzie has already tried to bring him closer to God
It amazes me how religion has become so prevalant in this country. When I was a teenager in the 1970′s we had a couple of weekly RE lessons at school which mainly dealt with Christianity, but also looked at other faiths. We trotted along to church for a Christmas carol service and that was it. All kids went to the lessons apart for a weird Jehovas Witness girl. Religion wasn’t the major fucking deal it is now with people constantly banging on about it.
Plus we’ve got the high church of AGW to contend with.
The relationship between Church and State has always been somewhat tense, perhaps most seriously during the reign of Henry VIII and his bit of business with the monasteries. There are many contradictions, and many matters on which the moral conscience of the Church(es) informs the Government. However, on the whole, excessive religious fervour in a politician is treated with some suspicion by the electorate (c.f. Alistair Campbell, “We don’t do God” – even though it subsequently turned out that certain people did).
As for the phrase “Christian Socialist”, one suspects that in many cases, it is, like many an electoral promise, a convenient cloak and little more.
There’s nothing inconsistent in being a Christian and a Socialist but there is no connection between the two. You might as well have an organisation of Christian Budgerigar Owners or Atheists for Suet Pudding. One’s a religion and the other’s a social system.
I beg to differ.
Marxism and Christianity are both totalitarian if given power. Both are also contradicted by evidence, and are therefore an act of faith.
Indeed. It is the ability of Marxists (well, fundamentalists of all political philosophies) and all manner of religious types to ignore the evidence when it does not suit their preconcieved ideas that makes them so dangerous.
Gordon Brown was to the pension fund savers what Henry VIII was to the monasteries.
Alastair Campbell: “We don’t do pensions.”
And Gordon Brown didn’t even have the excuse of trying to get his leg over Anne Boleyn et. al.
You think he will cut off the Beard’s head, then?
Let’s just say it might be as well if they keep him well out of the way during the Pope’s official visit, just to save any unseemly arguments…
I have always felt that the history books have paid insufficient heed to the fact that Henry was always in need of money (cutting down our oak forests for his rapidly expanding navy – and substantially changing our landscape in the process) and could see all this monastic wealth up for grabs. It was a no-brainer (as later with Broon). Issues of divorce and papal infalibility were a side show, IMO.
Hence my post, accidentally as Anonymous, at 9:08 pm.
Certainly true that, partly as a result of the wool trade, the monasteries had become very wealthy by the late middle ages, and with growing wealth came growing power and no little corruption. Henry undoubtedly saw them as a threat to his sovereign right to rule; the Pope’s unwillingness to bend to his will over divorces probably just fuelled his peevishness.
Quite agree with the parallels between Broon and Henry as pillagers, but it’s hard to see the pension funds as the corrupt wielders of power that some in the Church had become in Henry’s day. There is however, another parallel; the monasteries were the main providers of succour to the poor and needy, and their dissolution caused hardship for the less well-off in society; pillaging of their pension funds will almost certainly cause some hardship for the less well-off in today’s society.
Yeah, whatever.
I particularly like the parallel you tease out here. My thoughts about Henry have developed as I have steadily made my way around all the abbey sites (except 3) in Britain over three decades or so. My interest was not religious but primarily architectural. However, the mostly beautiful settings gave my mind freedom to reflect after numerous business meetings around the country.
Curiously, I thought also about pensions and felt that the hand of the state, in granting tax relief, was a hostage to fortune. It took the dead hand of Broon to crystallise my fears. Thus, before he was ever in contention, I limited my pension arrangements and stuck to investments that would stay under my immediate control. The logical consequence of this was my removal to pastures new.
I suppose the root point is that, if my want my savings to be blown away, I only want to be able to blame myself.
I followed Gordon’s doctrine of pissing the lot up the wall.
this is what the monastries were up to then and nothing has changed much.
http://forum.llc.ed.ac.uk/archive/02/di_ponio.pdf
Good paper – enjoyed it, thanks – do not however think your comment adequately relates to Sade’s “The 120 Days of Sodom”, in the context of the above – not really the space here to develop.
Palin is a Hunt. Oh, and look here. She’s a friend of Bush, who’s a friend of Blair, who ran Labour for 13 years. Labour. The Labour Party.
There’s a good Labour troll. Run along now. Good doggy.
then why are you pissing and whining you druggie spastic ?
fuck off mong
Don’t see the issue unless they claim to be the second coming or something (though they are attempting to resurrect the dead).
Did somebody say ‘the second coming’ ?
You don’t need to be a believer in God to participate in a religious gathering. You could have a less specific belief in some kind of divine being, or a certainty that the universe is a chemical accident waiting to be put right with the extinction of life, and the destruction of all matter, preferably in a man-made environmental catastrophe.
The invited presumably are socialists, so no problem there, but God is fine with non-believers turning up, environmentalists, fundamentalists or just mentalists. He has a chance to pitch for their recruitment to join with the believers.
I’m in it for the collection tin
I accompanied my Dad to church the other week — CoE communion service, and I enjoyed every minute of it.
Coffee and biccies after the service and a chat with some of the nicest people I’ve met in the locality, no god bothering just normality and friendship — I’ll do it again this Sunday.
After that, fancy a shag behind the gravestones, little girl?
Something gives me the impression that you have some considerable room to improve in the corruption and morality business.
you live in Belgium where the worst sex offenders come from
so what the fuck would you know about morality twat ?
According to statistics, one person out of five is disturbed. If there are four people around you who seem normal, that’s not good.
Do you miss me?
Not in the slightest.
Which beach are you on? Just so I know.
I’m in Killkiddies writing my memoirs. Can I put you down for a signed copy?
I miss the severe case of hemorrhoids I had last month more.
Not at all, and my rug is damp again for the first time in years.
You can take your Jesus, Mohammed, the Pope and God, and stick the lot up your pious arse.
Wise words.
I have no absolutely no respect for anyone who believes in any religion. How a sane rational intelligent person can believe such utter bollocks is beyond me.
Nuff respect to Darwin. People who believe in imaginary sky-daddies need sectioning.
“sane rational intelligent person”
not a single one of them
Because it is extremely difficult to envisage a process starting with simple chemicals existing in a newly created planet and ends up with life. It has to have happened because we are here, but explaining a mechanism for the start is the crunch.
The evolution bit after that is easy, and is accepted by mainstream churches I believe.
Not that easy, still plenty of idiots spouting ‘Ma great grandaddy was no Monkey!’ type arguments.
No he wasn’t. He was an ape. Just like you.
The theory you are describing is Abiogenesis by the way. Interesting stuff.
Friday 02/07/2010 Call time:18:22:26 Log
Hello Northumbria police How can I help you?
This is Principle officer McG****** from Durham prison. We got a live one here.Raoul Moat. He got released yesterday and is going to kill a police officer.
Police: Away man lots of them say that.
McGowan:Oh right o
Don’t you just love how the copper at the conference said “I have voluntarily referred this to the Independent Police Complaints Commission”. How generous of you! But perhaps if you’d taken the warning from the prison seriously, the woman’s boyfriend would still be alive. Stupid Hunts.
I thought there was something iffy as soon as the put Temp chief constable so and so up.
I hope she becomes the real chief she deserves it
yeah but did you see the hair…hedgehog or helen shapiro ?
Yep ‘voluntarily’, eh? Is there the slightest merit in that, whatsoever?
What might have happened in he didn’t refer it to the IPCC? Someone else would have referred the matter, wouldn’t they?
Fucking stroll onwards. Where do they get these dozy woodentops from?
Bit like ‘voluntarily’ paying back expenses. A futile attempt to recover some kind of moral high ground/authority even though everone is well aware you have royally fucked up.
We always say lots of people always say that. Anyway we are all a bit knackered what with putting everything into our jobs on the side and our high fat, high carbohydrate diets.
what fucking idiot let him out??
Probably ‘uman rites again, fuck the victims – they don’t count.
But Ken Clarke wouldn’t have locked him up in the first place – EUphile dickhead !
Tripe
Ken Clarke discourages jailing first offenders for minor crimes as this now tends to result (thanks to the incompetence of New Labour) to them emerging as drug addicts with additional criminal skills with which to fund their newly-acquired addiction. When Ken was Home secretary he was in favour of locking up dangerous criminals top protect the innocent but he did not preside over a system that converted minor offenders into drug addicts.
You are the dickhead!
I wonder how old the expression “university of crime” is.
Are you really claiming that the Conservative party back then wasnt very keen on sending people to prison? Michael howard will be turning in his grave.
Applauds John77. Labour created more criminals in its 13 years than it punished. Idiots would go in minor crooks and came out crack addled thugs.
Lets hope the Coalition has the guts to finally tackle the problem of drugs in jails?
no sockpuppet but the reoffending rate as it stands says that sentencing to prison does not always work and in many cases does lead to a ‘university of crime’ education.
Pretty obvious that Northumbria needs a proper police force with a proper chief constable./ What a bunch of tossers.
They’re good at catching speeders on the A1 though. That’s what they really do…
Me love Jehovah, ya knaaaa. Me gwan church on Sundays and me take pot o’ riiiiice an’ peeeeeeeea wid me for all me bredren, ya knaaaa.
Ed Balls is a practicing twat.
He was brushing up on his twatishness today on the beeb.
He is getting really good at it.
Don’t be howwible.
I’m surprised the BBC hasn’t given Balls his own programme-there’s no escape from his weird gurning face every time I turn the telly on.
Leave Ed alone or there’ll be trouble!
Indeed! He’s going to make a great impact upon labour when he become leader.
With luck he’l keep them out of power for forty years !!
Or lead them back to power when the coalition crashes and burns due to the conflict unleashed by the savage cuts which the Lib Dems are unable to back, and the country is in turmoil.
edballs pm in 2050!!!! sorry 2015!!!
+++Laugh+++
pmed and firstladyyvette standing for photos in front of no.10
++++that is so funny++++
Nearly as funny as Nick the Gimp and his ho’s putting on a united front with Conservatives for the next five years.
Still sulking about Labour losing the election eh king kong?
I voted English Democrat. Me and 500 other losers.
This goes out to all you sexually repressed religious morons out there.
MI5 and MI6 will now have something to do instead of spying on us
’1000s’ of Russian spies in U.S.Chances are they’re here too.
http://notthebbcorp.blogspot.com/2010/07/1000s-of-russian-spies-in-us.html
ha Amerikans and English fools.We say cold war is over and you took our word for it.
Still haven’t worked out why they are spying on local PTA’s?
google 40 (or is it 60 ) things that have come to pass since kruschev said they would take over the US without firing a shot.
you mean this.
http://www.rense.com/general32/americ.htm
Look they tried it here with foot, kinnochio, broon, bliar, straw, hoon, aintbustinagut, , john reid, denis healey,scargill, crow, jack jones.
They’ve had their moments but blown them spectacularly. Most recently in May 2010.
Communist takeoevers in the UK or the USA are just not going to happen.
And in fact left wing governments around the world are declining. They are too personally grasping and greedy for people to support them for very long!!
Is that so?
Well how much are you and your useless foreign minister earning and troughing from expenses hmm??!
And how long do you think you are going to last???
Put your hand into a bucket of water and then take it out and judge what effect you have had!!!! You and she aren’t even a ripple in the bucket!!!
And what are you going to do about it nell, vote UKIP?
Why would I vote UKIP ? Any chance they could take over no.10 anytime soon ( ie in the next 50 years)??!!
What policies do they have for the economy and getting us out of Afghanisrtan at least in the next five years, and curbing out of control welfare benefits and dealing with labour’s out of control immigration.!!!! Hmm???!!! He’s not going to get the votes is he??!!
I like Nigel Farage. I want to see him in Parliament in the next five years . I’m sorry that the greens have beaten him to the first HoC seat!
And he’s a loing way frpom having the means to put together a government and he knows it!!
As long as you’re supporting our man Cameron, all is well with Europe, nell.
Now about those troops leaving Afghanistan in five years time, are you really sure we can afford to only piss a couple of thousand British troops lives down the drain before the project is completed? After all, if EU solidarity means anything, it means body bags for Wootten Bassett.
nell loves a good whipping.Always moaning about how she has to use her pension to support her grand daughter,and fair play to her,but wants anyone else getting any benefits to suffer like her.
“in the next five years”
how many troops will have to die while Dave dithers you stupid twat
TROOPS OUT NOW!
They’ll be on to the job like a shot if any of these alledged Russian spies turn out to be alledged Muzzy fundamentalists as well.
I’m the new Polish PM
CSM would disagree with you Guido re: socialists being Godless.
“CSM aims to provide space for those God has called to, those who find themselves on the Left of British Politics”
In other words , in their view, leftwing politicians are called by God!
It’s the rest of us, CSM thinks, we centre and right wing people, who are condemned to an eternity beyond the pearly gates!!
CSM would disagree with you Guido re: socialists being Godless.
“CSM aims to provide space for those G+o+d has called to, those who find themselves on the Left of British Politics”
In other words , in their view, leftwing politicians are called by G+o+d!
It’s the rest of us, CSM thinks, we centre and right wing people, who are condemned to an eternity beyond the pearly gates!!
modded 3 times and still can’t crack the automod !
I wonder if the offending word is ‘disagree’?
+++laugh+++
al gore huh?!! about as much use as edballs isn’t he??!
still don’t understand why my comment about the csm people regarding we right wing people as godless whilst they consider the labour leader candidates as blessed!!! has been modded.
+++laugh+++
al gore huh?!! about as much use as camoron isn’t he??!
Mr Cameron said:
“If you want to understand climate change, go and see Al Gore’s film, An Inconvenient Truth. Today,
“I want to tell the British people some uncomfortable truths. There is a price for progress in tackling climate change.”
Mr Gore praised the role Mr Cameron had played in promoting environmental issues.
“The fact that both your political parties are competing vigorously to offer solutions is very important,” he told Tory frontbenchers.
“I can assure you that people around the world really are watching and are appreciating the quality of this debate.”
http://order-order.com/2009/09/29/exclusive-browns-gulags-for-slags-policy-taken-from-bnp/
Guido Fawkes says:
September 30, 2009 at 8:43 am
This is private property. Exercise your freedom of speech elsewhere. If Guido allowed the place to be overrun by various types it would become unreadable. The moderation algorithm is mysterious and arbitrary. If you don’t like it, fuck off and exercise your freedom of speech.
Or work to undermine from within.
The state of pedophilia is the Vatican state
See you in hell, nell.
Hopefully the Pope will be able to spare a little of his no doubt valuable time again this year to get the Lewes Bonfire festivities off with a bang!!
Blair can also join him, having previously been burned here in effigy too.
having worked out how much I need to sit down and actually write I think I might be restricted to two tweets a day for a few months
http://twitter.com/SarahBrownUK/status/17811057877
Could you not make that two per month?
She could desist from making any tweets at all, in order to put her full energy into writing her book. It will still turn out crap.
Tweet off you old hag.
She’ll be far too busy to bother with tweeting. Don’t forget Gordon promising they’d both devote themselves to charity work should Labour lose the election…..
Charity begins at Canterbury.
not where you live in belgium then tin-tin
you twat
But Gordon forgives you, yes, and he loves you too, bathbun.
WHY ONLY TWATS LIVE IN BELGIUM
1. You get to speak three languages, but none of them intelligibly.
2. If other countries want to fight a war, they will do it in your country.
3. You can brew drinks out of fruit, and still call it beer.
4. You are either
a. like the Dutch, just less efficient
b. like the French, just less romantic
c. like the Germans
5. No one knows anything about you, except for the Dutch and French and they make fun of you.
6. More scandals in a week than any other country in a decade.
7. All your famous countrymen are either imaginary, or sex-offenders
8. Face it. It’s not really a country, is it?
Showing myself nude from behind doesn’t pose any problems but from the front that’s another story. I don’t want to lose all my fans!
Those Labour guys were the weirdest bunch of Christians I have ever come across.
When I asked them to turn the other cheek, they simply refused.
Upper or lower cheek?
Socialists belive in sharing your money
Rapist believe in sharing women.
Both Milibands are atheists, not sure about the Balls and does Abbott really matter?
Who’s up for a good slapping
Have we any choice?
start with ed please and give yvette several whilst you’re there..they’re such bigots
BREAKING NEWS!
Brown’s resignation honours list published!
Alistair Campbell and Ed Balls get a Knighthood.
Charlie Whelen becomes a peer.
Bob Crow. MBE.
Arise Dame Sarah Brown.
you jest
Video of Ed’s response to Gove in HoC RT @TelePolitics: @edballsmp: axed school building scheme ‘a tragedy’ http://tgr.ph/bboMn0
The “Building Schools for the Future” scheme is not as it appears. That title would imply that Labour had been busily building new schools. My sons secondary school received cash from this scheme to install an internal ‘ Frog’ VLE computer system which is complete crap and build a new Human Resources block which was constructed on part of the school playground. No kids have access to this building.Other money from this scheme is being used for a finger-print lunch card system. Can’t see my childrens education benefitting from any of these initiatives.Meanwhile my eldest kid had no textbooks for their A’level Maths course.
Fuck off nazi
WTF
http://news.xinhuanet.com/english2010/china/2010-07/05/c_13384771.htm
Swap you the Daily Lama for a copy of the Bin Liner.
Standard boilerplate Chinese press release. If you can get CCTV9 on satellite or cable, this kind of thing fills their news reports. Good to see us keeping onside with China. Have to wonder what kind of prominence our news media give it – can’t see it squeezing past the Killing Spree/World Cup coverage.
The current economic contraction longest since 1929
http://australia.to/2010/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=3810:the-current-economic-contraction-longest-since-1929&catid=130:business&Itemid=178
Blair managed not to get any nasty nail marks in his hands and feet – as at the time of writing.
Just as well – one miraculous resurrection in the Middle East is enough.
It will take way more than a miracle to roll away his stone.
fuck off tin-tin
.
Looks like Can’t remember my moniker can’t remember how to speak.
Ha ha. No!!!!
You missed the point.
marc dutroux moniker missed the fucking boat
back to belgium
It appears that you need help – obsessive-compulsives often try and pin the blame for their actions upon others. This must be about the hundredth time you have alleged this type of accusation against me, let alone the many others you have targeted here. Whilst it is boring for all of us, it is actually damaging for you.
You must have experienced great dissatisfaction with life, or loss of a sense of direction and purpose, recently. Perhaps the election didn’t go your desired way? Suggest you see a chemical dependency counsellor.
hes just a contrary twat moniker…ignore it
Dear Christian Socialists,
Did you actually hear “Thou Shalt not steal”?
“Thou shalt not commit adultery” seems to be honoured more in the breach than the observance, as well.
I think they’ve also forgotten the one about not murdering people.
i bet you like to be breached on daily basis engineer, you dirty fucker.
The last time his nuts tightened was when the doctor told him to cough.
Sounds like his big end has gone. That’ll be £3,675.84.
Dear Christian Socialists,
Did you actually hear “Thou shalt not covet they neighbours Ox”?
Did they wear socks back then, don’t really go with sandals
We don’t want to covet it. We just want to fuck it senseless before slaughter, prior to feeding it to the masses. i.e. You.
Dear AC1 of them,
Didst thou actually hear, “Thou shalt not bugger thy hairy arse neighbour, nor neither take unto marriage any beast or foul of the field, including tat”?
No.
Then I shalt smite thee with my rod and staff.
Now come to daddy and bend over.
Please don’t laugh at my small penis. It’s below the belt.
Frank Fisher:
“Truly, Guido mods in a mysterious way.”
Brilliant – unfortunately descended to Hades in this thread, so resurrected, hopefully unobstructed.
I think we should start a new religion based on rapping Hitlers. To me it makes a lot of sense indeed.
major gun battle going on in Liverpool,lots of armed cops surrounding a block of flats in Anfield after multiple gunshots,roads all blocked
Torres wants away then?
http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/liverpool-news/local-news/2010/07/05/armed-containment-underway-after-shots-fired-in-anfield-liverpool-100252-26791911/
Dey do do dat der don’t dey?
Don’t tell me Torres is leaving?.
If the bloody pope and his entourage feel the need to visit the UK, they should bear the entire cost themselves. If I go to Rome I get nothing from the vatican towards my costs. Why should I contribute anything towards this junket.
Personally I wouldn’t let any of them in, especially ratzinger, the cover-up king! The Queen should have nothing to do with him either.
“The Queen should have nothing to do with him either.”
I thought Mandy was yachting it somewhere anyway.
Agreed. The Catholic Church has millions slushing around. Let them use that to pay for this rediculous PR stunt.
he’s on my list
£10m of our money to protect the Pedo Pope when he visits London. Fucking Hunt.
Ratzinger and his bunch of child molesters should be refused entry to the UK. Then there would be no costs to meet…
Au Contraire, mon Amis!
Let him in and then hit the cun’t with an EU arrest warrant!
Balls-up on fucking Newsnight yet again. He’s dominated the BBC today. Thankfully Michael Gove is doing a brilliant job and managing to underline the fact that cuts due to Labours legacy.
Yeah but that airhead bint, Mrs Bercow, thinks that Balls is doing brilliantly. She’s obviously ‘on’ something…
Quote: “Ed Balls totally trampled all over Gove on Newsnight” and “Gove looked shattered! Balls starting to look good for Labour leader” and “A first for Speaker Bercow and Sally. The Speaker is justifiably proud of his backbench campaign for gtay rights”
WTF is the Speaker’s wife to do with the Labour Party? WTF is the Speaker doing to maintain the impartiality and political neutrality of his position? And WhyTF is the Speaker ‘campaigning’ at all? This man is clearly not suited to the post if he cannot see the damage he is causing to the post of Speaker.
If Jesus walked the earth today, he’d vote Labour.
What a sanctimonious c’unt he must have been.
Fuck off – I’m an atheist and even I wouldn’t say that.
Only the thickest of kuunts would vote (nu)Labour, and Jesus, if he existed, was in most ways a wise dude even if something of a masochist.
Blinkybollocks has been given even more time on BBC Newsnight to have another go at Gove on the schools thing. I thought his eyes were going to pop right out.
He’s an ugly bastard, especially when he’s lying. I can just see him in a Stormbahnfeurher’s uniform ordering anyone who doesn’t agree with him to be shot.
He must be the next leader of the New Losers party
Power outage in downtown Toronto security flap for Queen
http://www.winnipegfreepress.com/canada/breakingnews/power-outage-in-downtown-toronto-turns-out-lights-at-royal-event-97813009.html
Check this crap out:
http://www.thisisnottingham.co.uk/news/Hospital-patients-charged-cars-smaller-engines/article-2378305-detail/article.html
if you want creepy christian try this.
http://www.raptureready.com/rap16.html
I am the one true saviour of the world!, born again in Kirkcaldy.
I voted Jesus at the 2010 general election.
Brown almighty, we were crucified.
who cares? Let’s keep the supernatural out of politics
That’s the Con Demmed coalition fucked then.
RELIGIONS ALL OF THEM THE BIGGEST CON TRICK EVER PERPETRATED ON MANKIND.
Don’t have a mind of your own we will dictate to you what we want you to do in the name of the Almighty whoever he may be,and that for feckin sure is indeterminate and always has been but it serves a purpose.
Islum is a prime example of control over people through fear and devotion to archaic principals.
Protestism:- generated by monarchy interested in their own means to an end.
Catholicism:- the originators of the unsupported religion of christianity in the sense of where is the the irrefutable evidence pertaining to this,if this evidence really exsists why are so called scholars still pontificating about this over the centuries.
Yes folks I suppose you have now gathered that I am an agnostic about this claptrap about religion,I am certainly not an athiest as I do believe there is some motivating power behind the scheme of things,what it is I don’t know but I prefer to put my beliefs beyond the reach of the we will tell you what to believe brigade,God botherers and happy clappers.
How strange it is that the various religions have been responsible for wholesale slaughter on this planet in the name of their chosen God,read up on history and you will see what I mean.
I voted for the coalition.
Those catholic girls are so dirty!
Talking of soulless pee-dos – the fat retarded fu-cking pig, Kathryn Blair, has an Erasmus scholarship in Strasbourg (studying law).
How come the big greasy sack of lard gets funding from European taxpayers when her Sat-anic filth parents are rolling in blo-od money?
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/property/propertynews/7822976/Blairs-property-portfolio-reaches-14-million.html
Vile evil c-un-ts.
Typical Fucking Tories
Why do so many people believe in something so obviously ridiculous in the this century? If somebody wrote a book like the bible today they would be laughed out of the book shops. All these deluded fools believing in something akin to fairies is beyond me. And in one sect called the catholics they worship and practice child sexual abuse! What a fucking mixed up world we live in. Unfortunately science has failed to open the closed minds of the religious fanatics and they continue in their infantile beliefs whilst secretly fiddling with kids priavte parts. What a bunch of bankers.
Science requires intellectual rigour.
Popular science requires faith ….98% of the population are not scientifically trained and accept the ‘truth’ verbatim.
The arguments between scientists and the nature of theory and hypothesis is beyond them.
Scienticism is a religion accepted on faith. See AGW.
You pays your money and you takes your choice.
You under-estimate most people. Maybe it makes you feel better about yourself.
quantum physics doesn’t think it ridiculous, only fundamentalist atheists.
I’m increasingly bemused at this website. How come later postings often appear behind posting done many hours ago? Guido can’t you design a better system than this ludicrous one?
No Pope here!
Ed Balls for leader.
Atheists and religious fundamentalists are all loonies. Vote C of E.
Elton John to be appointed Bishop of Southwank.
the three most boring sad depressing crap spinners in the uk….
eastenders
archers
ed balls
And your point is? What, you have to subscribe to a particular set of medieval superstitions before you can be in the same room as a bunch of people who do? Bit a dud thread, methinks, no?
This is England, we are all godless atheists here. Have you not sussed that yet?
Left, middle, right – anyone with a brain cell has concluded that there is no reason to believe in a god.
Even Christains don’t believe in most gods, they just fell at the last post.
Have you been touched by His Noodley Appendage?