June 7th, 2010

Farm-Gate: GM Lobbying Links Falling on Defra Ears

After Guido’s investigations into the lobbying ties that the Secretary of State of the Department for Environment, Food and Rural Affairs has with the bio-tech and GM food industry, this morning’s Mail raises yet another conflict of interest of Caroline Spelman:

“Startling evidence emerged yesterday of how pro-GM lobbyists helped to draft a major report on the cultivation and sale of such crops. An email trail revealed close links between the Agricultural Biotechnology Council, which represents GM food giants such as Monsanto, and the Food Standards Agency, which oversees the food industry. Members of the council succeeded in having controversial pro-GM paragraphs inserted into an FSA report published last year. They suggested changes including a claim that genetically modified foods could keep food prices down.”

Obviously the whole half a million pound report has now been drawn into question.  Whether or not to implement the report is Spelman’s decision, but how is the public meant to have faith in her choices given her connections to her husband’s bio-tech and GM food lobbying firm? A company that until a year ago, Mrs Spelman owned half of and was being run out of her constituency home. It is still trading under her married and maiden names. Apparently Defra don’t see any problems.

See Also: Spelman’s Agri-Business Bio-Tech Lobbying Past, Mr Spelman’s Tricky Contract and Spelman’s Blatant Bio-Tech Backing


295 Comments

  1. 1
    Reichschancellor ( in-waiting and waiting and waiting ) GoBalls says:

    Just like me, everyone is entitled to be ugly but Mrs. Spelman’s hubby is simply abusing the privilege.

  2. 2
    Taxfodder says:

    Well Guido its pretty clear they are all bent!

  3. 3
    The Penguin says:

    I seem to recall Dave wittering on about lobbyists before the election….

    The Penguin

  4. 4
    The Judge says:

    This is a clear conflict of interests.
    Caroline Spelman will have to resign. There is no other way.

  5. 5
    Public Lavatory Attendant says:

    Mr Cameron will warn today that nobody,not even Lord Ashcroft will escape the effects of the Tory-Liberal Democrat coalition’s strategy to address the deficit and growing public debt.

    “How we deal with these things will affect our blogging, our lavatories – indeed our sex life,” he will say at an event in Belize.

    “The decisions we make will affect every single person in our country. And the effects of those decisions will stay with us for days, perhaps months to come,until such time as David Miliband is elected Prime Minister

  6. 6
    Budgie says:

    I am no greenie (CAGW is a hoax, windmills are useless, we should double the number of Nukes, meat is great etc) but GM crops are a step too far. Contamination and spread is already occurring. The risk of sterile seeds is such a catastrophe, since ultimately we are all completely dependent on plants, that we must not go down that road.

  7. 7
    Yo says:

    Caroline Spelman is a fucking evangelical creationist. Nuff said.

  8. 8
    A poor pensioner, getting poorer. says:

    Wasn’t Blair giving dubious support to the GM business in the UK without any obvious reasons for him doing so? Something else smelly from new Labour days … maybe a Miliband could comment?

  9. 9
    oldfella says:

    or a creative evangelist, maybe….???

  10. 10
    John Bull says:

    Get Brillo on the job – he’ll sort her out.

  11. 11
    AC1 says:

    You’ve been got to by the green luddites.

    Plants spread, they do not contaminate. Certain people like me would like the choice to be able to purchase genetically improved goods.

  12. 12
    Johnny Norfolk says:

    They are at it again sleeze

  13. 13
    Labour Are Dead says:

    Hush, child. Labour lost. You really must get over it. Maybe they’ll regain power in about, say, 20 years. In the meantime, run along and tell your neighbours about Labour’s great legacy. You know – Dr Kelly, McBride, the worst recession in history, the biggest poverty gap in history, the illegal war that’s killed a million civilians and thousands of soldiers, Brown’s deranged bullying, and your messiah Mr B Liar’s £20m blood money from Iraqi oil. There’s a good boy.

  14. 14
    Road_Hog says:

    Any normal person would think so, but this is politics.

  15. 15
    AC1 says:

    The equivalent of being a flat-earth geographer, or a marxist economist. There’s a lot of overlap between Creationism and Marxism as both seem to ignore the success of “survival of the fittest” in creating well adapted creatures and companies.

  16. 16
    DJFunk says:

    cross-pollination

  17. 17
    Lord Prescott of Butter Ghee says:

    Did someone mention farms? Great! I’m famished! I could eat the contents of an entire stable.

  18. 18
    The American Administration says:

    Stop whining you bad teethed Englanders.
    New Labour worked for us and now the Conservatives work for us too.
    It is our intention to control your food production and Caroline Spelman is one of our agents who is pushing American based GM foods in Britain. Eventually we will have total control over all food production in Britain.
    We also have one of our agents handling Liam Fox and telling him what to do regarding carrying out American military policy.
    And most importantly we have David Cameron in our pocket: we were a bit worried that our computers and software would not be used to run your national NHS database to give us full access to the medical records of every British citizen but Mr Cameron has said he will keep that information yielding programme running for us and keep pumping billions of pounds into our economy.
    You Englanders will have to accept that under a Conservative or New Labour government you belong to us now, you are like a slave plantation for America.
    Now shut up, stop moaning and work harder.
    As David Cameron will tell you today, the British way of life will be changed by his American dictated policies.
    Britain forever, ever, ever will be slaves.

  19. 19
    Labour Governments ALWAYS end in failure and national debt says:

    Just keeep repeating this phrase…”Labour has spent ALL the money” until it sinks in.

    You also need to realise that Labour WANTED to lose the election.It was only Brown who didn’t and he was removed in a cunning ploy by the “Dark Lord” who suckered him into believing he could lead an alliance of the progressive left and got him to resign as firstly leader and then when the trap was sprung as PM

  20. 20
    The Nanny's father in law says:

    John Haynes,79, told us: “Tina’s being stitched up. It’s bloody RIDICULOUS to say she was an MP’s secretary. She has no idea how to be a secretary or do secretarial work
    “She has only ever worked as a nanny since I’ve known her. That’s all she knows.”

    http://www.newsoftheworld.co.uk/news/article10451.ece

  21. 21
    Mr Muslim says:

    We demands that all farms in the United Britain must ban the pig. The pigs is evil animalings that our beloved prophet, who marrieds 6 year old, said is dirty like woman and must be killed. If you do not bannings the decadent infidel pig, we will beheads you. Islam is peace.

    And please backdate my income support and housing benefit to 1984. Thanks you.

  22. 22
    iain says:

    never mind this shite, Alistair Campbell is on BBC Radio Ulster now talking about his dairies. Rivetting stuff to hear the Good Friday Agreement guff being rehashed time and agin.

  23. 23
    Reallyreally pissed off voter says:

    This woman’s integrity (assuming she has any) takes a bigger nose dive with each passing day

  24. 24
    Gordon Brown says:

    I’m still here.

  25. 25
    Uncle Frankenstein says:

    If you cross a pig with a sheep will you get a food that Muslims can eat?

  26. 26
  27. 27
    Head Lizard says:

    I knew this cow was on the take and her company were lobbying for Monsanto as soon as I saw the address change on Company’s house. Revolution cometh

  28. 28
    Jock says:

    pish,och

  29. 29
    Public Lavatory Attendant says:

    After David Cameron’s ramblings,tune in to a sensible politician .

    .
    DMiliband You can watch live stream of the GMB’s hustings which I will be speaking at today at 1pm http://bit.ly/doEART

    Bananas not Balls

  30. 30
    Head Lizard says:

    She looks like fucking Igor

    http://uploadpic.org/showpic-68270/spel.html

  31. 31
    Eco Warrior says:

    She’s the wrong man for this job. GM crops are an emotional issue and she will be attacked for her links to the GM industry even though she has now broken the chain. Many of the opponents to GM are Eco terrorists and will stop at nothing to get their way.

    The Liberals are also against GM crops.

  32. 32
    Basic Economics says:

    So, as you rightly say, the Labour party has spent all the money.
    This will of course affect Conservative policy. For example, in order to pay off the deficit as quickly as possible, which is David Cameron’s stated intent, we will need to fully nationalise the banks we already hold majority shareholdings in as we will need the profits from those banks to pay off the deficit.
    If the Conservative governmetn were sells the shareholdings in the banks we own then we will be receiving less money from them than if we retain ownership and take the profits.
    If he sells the shares then we will know that all his talk of deficit reduction is nothing more than a front to cut services.

  33. 33
    13eastie says:

    I just love hearing the Waitrose couscous munchers blathering on about how they are saving the planet (in between their half-term holidays to Cape Verde) by buying organic carrots at ten times what any sane cost might be.

    These well-meaning, ignorant, selfish hypocrites are so well-qualified to tell people in the third world not to grow high-yield, disease-resistant, nutrient-rich, famine-proof grains, don’t you think?

  34. 34
    Labour Are Dead says:

    Have you taken your medication today?

  35. 35
    Backwoodsman says:

    So are lots of Tories – basically we don’t believe giving Monsanto et al , a monopoly for supplying seed is a smart move ( except for Monsanto ! )
    We should have been looking at population control, rather than production increases.

  36. 36
    Alyingstare Campbell says:

    I really am like a nasty virus. I think I’ve advertised my new book on just about every BBC radio and TV outlet there is.

    It’s all within the BBC Charter to allow this blatant advertising, isn’t it ??

  37. 37
    Kill the Milibandits says:

    See these bastards. I’m unemployed, if I was seen helping my next door nieghbour with her garden (elderly lady) by one of the staff at the yob centre, recognised, they wouldn’t say – oh it’s fine. I’d have forms galore to fill in and would probably find suspicion levels increased when I signed on. Also having to go for a couple of weeks with a suspended giro.
    Cameron should run and kick Spelman in the fanny. Either he knows and is foolishly not bothered about this (after all he’s said about cleaning up politics, etc) or he didn’t (which I doubt) and she will help put a crack in his term as PM – for which he should deal with the danger now. She fucked up in opposition – she’s still at it in government!
    FUCKING HELL, WHAT A FUCKING PAIR THEY ARE. SEND FOR ANOTHER BIRD TO SHOOT THIS HUSBAND AND WIFE.

  38. 38
    Nick Clegg says:

    Vote Lib Dem for broken promises

  39. 39
    Mrs. Minibanana says:

    I’d rather poke my eyeballs out with red hot needles than listen to David Minibanana’s vacuous soundbites. All Bliar-lite replete with mock estuary English accent.

    He’s a nauseating little twerp

  40. 40
    David Cameron says:

    I will go for a referendum on this issue.

    The public vote matters to a liar like myself

  41. 41
    Jacqui Smith says:

    Gisa job, guv’nor.

  42. 42
    Ranting Nat says:

    If GM and the Moneysanto Corporation is found to be responsible, by the impregnation of the world by introduction of GM insect pest resistant crops, for the demise of bees and other pollinating insect and hence the resultant famines, I take it that the GM lobby will consider it a job well done

  43. 43
    Man with 2 heads says:

    Yes he was … didn’t he have an adviser with an american connection to one of the GM food agribusinesses?

  44. 44
    Labour Are Dead says:

    The Labour trolls are certainly busy today. Someone should tell them their party lost and they really do need to get over it.

  45. 45
    oldfella says:

    In an as yet unreported part of his speech, Cameron was clear that cuts must be made. For him, this includes MPs and parliament. He has set up a new venue where MPs will report and carry ouit their daily business …..

    http://www.downatthefarm.co.uk/

  46. 46
    Markov Chaney says:

    I wish to remind you of Hagbard Celine’s third law.

    “AN HONEST politician is a national calamity”

    It would appear therefore that Ms Spelman is ideally suited for a role in Defra.

    http://bkmarcus.com/belief/celine/

  47. 47
    Ed Balls says:

    Vote Labour for naked hypocricy.

  48. 48
    Lord Ashcroft says:

    Prime minister talking about spending cuts

    just do what I do and bring in people from
    3rd world countries as slaves

    saves money and I always have a virgin to hand

  49. 49
    Head Lizard says:

    I support eco terrorism in this case,fuck with my familys food and health there are no rules for you.

  50. 50
    Guv'nor says:

    Fuck off, you troughing fat cow.

  51. 51
    Eco Warrior says:

    GM plants are not designed to produce more food. Their main purpose is to cut back on the amount of herbicide required to bring the crop to harvest. Which is no bad thing.

  52. 52
    Your Brain is Dead says:

    I see, so every person who says Caroline Spelman is a corrupt individual who has a conflict of interests from which she is profiting is now to be termed a Labour troll?
    An interesting yet flawed proposition.
    You clearly are a corrupt person.
    If this is a sign of things to come from the Conservative trolls then things continue on the same corrupt trajectory as they were with the New Labour mob.

  53. 53
    Engineer says:

    Just buy Richard Branson and you could have a train-set to play with as well.

  54. 54
    Grumpy Old Man says:

    You are several laps behind the race. From the FT. Mr Wahlroos, whose group also owns 20 per cent of Nordea, Scandinavia’s biggest bank, which it began buying in the depths of the market crisis, said the market turmoil was not about about fears that countries would default.

    “It is not that people are seriously worried that countries won’t pay back their debts, but it is a crisis of confidence in the European social model,” he said. “We need to think about our social economic model. We can’t keep taxing people the way we do and we can’t go on subsidising poverty and broken families.”

    His comments echo other calls for greater eurozone liberalisation alongside efforts to tackle national deficits, which have ballooned as countries bailed out their own banking systems and private debt loads.

    Jean-Claude Trichet, ECB president, suggested at the G20 finance chief meeting in Korea this weekend that the central bank wanted to see greater fiscal tightening among the eurozone nations, saying that smaller budget deficits would help boost confidence.

    Mr Wahlroos believes economic recovery will come faster in Europe with greater liberalisation. He said that while economic activity ground to a near halt in the wake of the collapse of Lehman Brothers, many people had misjudged how quickly the financial system would bounce back.

    “Most of these charlatanic Keynesians thought because they had never seen data like this, it was the most disastrous economic situation. But they misjudged how quickly capital in the modern world responds to changes.”

    Sell the banks at a profit/minimise losses and let them get on with what they do best, which is creating wealth rather than buying up government debt under duress then having no funds to lend to businesses, o Keynesian Charlatan.

  55. 55
    Sarah Tweet says:

    Top Woodenism #3: It’s what you learn after you know it all that counts

  56. 56
    Head Lizard says:

    Just read the mail story,didn’t know Camerclegg has give the go ahead for GM in Norfolk,thats it now I’m with the anarchists

  57. 57
    troffers R U S says:

    You clearly do not know the first thing about plant reproduction. try informing your opinions with just a smidgeon of knowledge, occasionally.

  58. 58
    A Shill says:

    GM crops are great.

    Yours sincerely,

    Press Officer,
    Monsanto

    (Whose crops were rejected by Haiti’s farmers after the recent Earthquake)

  59. 59
    Grumpy Old Man says:

    Where, exactly?

  60. 60
    How Much Are These GM Trolls Paid Per Post? says:

    Your logic is flawed.
    You suggest genetically modifiying plants in order to reduce pesticide use.
    Other than the fact that GM seeds use almost the same amount of pesticides the answer to the problem is of course just to use less pesticides with normal crops.
    This can be achieved by using natural predators to tackle the pests and to not overfarm.

  61. 61
    Vote for independents no matter who they are says:

    The government must resign,call an election now.

  62. 62
    Maggie's Drawers says:

    This is a CLEAR conflict of interest. A red-handed trougher no less.

    She’ll have to brazen it out like the last did.

  63. 63
    Gideon Osborne. says:

    Vote Conservative to get both!
    We are planning to change the British way of life and yet we have no mandate.
    I don’t think this turkey is going to fly.

  64. 64
  65. 65
    Crooks and liars says:

    Camerons cast iron promise as he is now in a meeting with Rumpey in number 10 as I type.

  66. 66
    Sick of the greed, still says:

    I nearly hid behind the sofa when I watched him hosting “Have I got News for you”. I cringed and kept repeating over and over again: “I hope to god you are getting paid a shedload for this.”

  67. 67
    THE MAN FROM MONSANTO says:

    EAT GENETICALLY MODIFIED FOOD AND YOU WILL BE GUARANTEED TO GET STOMACH CANCER!

  68. 68
    AC1 says:

    Technology is bad. Ludditism is good.

    Yours Sincerely

    Press Officer
    GreenPeace.

  69. 69
    Maggie's Drawers says:

    As long as the pig is killed by the halal method then it is kosher and can be eaten by anyone with a beard and a private pilot’s licence.

  70. 70
    Martin Day says:

    The ThatcherBot is visiting Downing Street on Wednesday. It is expected to express concerns about the coalition

  71. 71
    Turkey says:

    I’m fed, and ready to fly!

  72. 72
    Fuck off says:

    Eco shill

  73. 73
    Cheryl Cole says:

    I have only two words for you

    Cheryl Tweedy

  74. 74
    Maggie's Drawers says:

    We couldn’t give a fuck as long as we win the World Cup, fattie.

  75. 75
    Thirdworld says:

    Yessum you get us third worlders fit and healthy and many many more of us and we will get you.

  76. 76
    Jus Saying says:

    Here here, corruption is corruption full stop no matter what party you are from and we should fight it.

  77. 77
    THE MAN FROM MONSANTO says:

    How much genetically modified food do you eat AC1?
    None?
    Is it your first choice of food?
    No?
    Go and live on GM food for a year, grow a third eye, get stomach cancer and then come back and tell us how great it is.
    Science needs to be tested. The animals that have been tested with exlusively GM food have a higher than normal level of stomach cancer.
    Don’t talk about things you don’t know, it makes you look like a schill.

  78. 78
    Maggie's Drawers says:

    No-bod-y expects… The Coalition!!

  79. 79
    Dig for Victory says:

    Unite seem determined to bring parts of the economy to their knees

    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/cocacola-workers-to-vote-on-strike-action-1993547.html

    interesting times aead

  80. 80
    The American Administration says:

    That’s it slave, concentrate on the football while we take ownership of your country.
    God these slaves are so dumb.

  81. 81
    England,invented the world we have now.never forget it. says:

    we invented all the things you have and we can invent more too!!!!!!

  82. 82
    Maggie's Drawers says:

    A peace flotilla? To landlocked Armenia FFS?

    Jeez, Isreali students must be as fick as ours.

  83. 83
    Liar Byrne says:

    Eh ?

  84. 84
    Gene E Tics says:

    Genitaclly modified muslims now theres a tghought

  85. 85
    Mad Hattie Harman, Leader of the Parasite Party says:

    Under My Party, everyone had access to an NHS dentist. Do they today, under the do-nothing Tories? No, they do not. And, today under the Tories, there is the disgraceful situation of mixed-sex wards in NHS hospitals, a fifth of children leave school with no qualifications and is there a joined-up transport policy? No, there is not. And the national debt under this Tory government is more than double what it was when My Party came to power.

    See? The Tories have failed you.

  86. 86
    Gordon ( SoldGoldAtThe ) BottomBrown says:

    Vote Liebour for Broken Britain.

  87. 87
    John Bull says:

    don’t wait up to see it reported on aljabeeba

  88. 88
    Crooks and Liars says:

    she’s already slammed into the hill at the end of the runway.

  89. 89
    iain says:

    oh but there was an absolutely hilarious anecdote about Mo Mowlam in the bath for us all to gag over.
    He really came across as the bore of the year, yesterday’s man, old stories whilst the world has moved on….no-one cares about you any more you Hunt.
    Depressing isnt it?

  90. 90
    Cheryl Cole says:

    Just so long as it is not Jacqui Smith! UGH!

  91. 91
    John Bull says:

    To Turkey you fick c’unt

  92. 92
    Cheryl Cole says:

    Gisa gov, job’nor

  93. 93
    The Court of Public Opinion says:

    The “Smash the coalition” movement is stepping up a gear: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/london/10252599.stm

  94. 94
    Maggie's Drawers says:

    While we choke up your backyard (Gulf of Mexico, Florida and Rednecksville) with your own filth. Yeah who’s dumb?

  95. 95
    John Bull says:

    Fuck off Caroline Monsanto$$$$$$$$$

  96. 96
    Labour Are Dead says:

    No, you deranged fuckwit. I was referring to the off-topic posts by Labour retards prattling on about how great the Milibots or how Cameron is supposedly a liar. I made no mention of Spelman, who I think is an odious christian nutbag.

  97. 97
    Maggie's Drawers says:

    PS

    Ingerland, Ing-Er-Land, INGERLANDD!!!

  98. 98
    Reichsfuhrer Clegg says:

    achtung mein fuhrer

  99. 99
    Maggie's Drawers says:

    Had some for brekkers. Fundamentalist Muesli it was.

  100. 100
    Sarah Beard says:

    It’s so good to be back with my friend in Canterbury.

  101. 101
    Maggie's Drawers says:

    ARMENIA as well YOU DOZY GET. Look at the pictures if you can’t read.

  102. 102
    Reichsfuhrer Clegg says:

    oh no coke,I’ll miss that like a toothache,hope coke never give in and the whole show fails for good

  103. 103

    GM crops have been described as the ‘cutting edge of science’ – or as I like to to think of it the ‘frontiers of ignorance’

  104. 104
    Itsa GM World says:

    Those frit of eating GM food had best not visit Spain, France, Germany, the Czech Republic, Slovakia, Portugal, the US, Argentina, Canada, Brazil, China, Australia, Bulgaria, Colombia, Honduras, India, Mexico, South Africa and Uruguay.

  105. 105
    Lord Lard says:

    Listen to the BBC,it’s not like you conlibs won is it?

  106. 106
    Lord Paul,humps boys then eats them says:

    Listen to him he ‘s right.

  107. 107
    Dino says:

    Exactly, the GM bods are literally paying at God, but doing it badly.

    What they are doing is not natural, it is nothing like the selective breeding that has gone one since the dawn of agriculture, when like was cross with like.

    Monsanto is an evil company, they are the ones who invented Aspartame.

    Dave has to stamp on her quickly, she is an accident waiting to happen, only concerned with filling her own pockets, coalition be damned. Sack her.

  108. 108

    Cape Verde???? Who the hell goes there except gobby taxi drivers and cowboy plumbers with €25,000 who caught up in property buying scandals.

    Cape Verde has rampant crime and decease, surely you mean Provence or Tuscany!

  109. 109
    Your Brain IS dead says:

    The Milibands are war criminals and anyone who takes any notice of the Labour trolls regarding the Labour leadership campaign are idiots.
    David Cameron is a liar though. He said he would roll back the New Labour database state but he is continuing with a nationa NHS database.
    That means David Cameron is a liar.
    Just like Tony Blair really.

  110. 110
    Day Dreamer says:

    I’ve just realised why the American population is so fucked up, over weight, mentally unstable to the degree as to be led by their stomachs by the likes of George Bush and Obama. It is reported that both beef and milk potentially cause allsorts of medical problems,due to additives,which are not widely publicised. So what are the impacts of the GM crops directly ingested by humans? All short term gain and poor control with out the long term implications fully being appreciated or legislated for by potentially toughing Governmental participants!! Fuck ‘em all!!

    AND DISMISS THE SPELMAN BITCH!!

  111. 111
    Cameron is a Traitor says:

    After watching Cameron shaking hands with VonRumpey this morning I think it’s time to fuck him off.

  112. 112
    Maggie's Drawers says:

    Virgin Cola will keep the country supplied. One would think that Branson had a sabateur in Unite as his businesses continue to take off.

  113. 113
    Dino says:

    Our bodies, through millions of years of evolution, are designed to ingest certain “natural” substances.

    When they ingest unnatural ones, all bets are off. Just because people don’t drop dead on the spot via toxicity, doesn’t mean its not harmful in some other way.

    The GM industry is interested in making money, it has little interest in our health or the patience to do proper tests. This is not about improving our world, but improving our bank balance. They sell potential gains, but they never come to pass. And just because one GM food might one day be useful, it doesn’t mean that others are automatically fine by being GM.

    You need long term testing, by people who aren’t paid to get positive results.

  114. 114
    Kill foxes says:

    Take a look at american tap waterO/T
    The story a few weeks ago about the Fox eating the baby corpse in the London cemetry now fits with the fox attacking the two babys in London last night,they now have the scent and taste of children and see them as a food source.
    To the repela the fox hunting bill…will that do?

  115. 115
    Dino says:

    And where is Gordon? In a padded room? Dressed as a lady?

  116. 116
    bofl says:

    GM food is all about one thing………PROFIT!!!

    monsanto wants to control the worlds’ food supply…….

    to them it doesn’t matter if gm gives animals or humans cancer or any other malady…..

    so why would we trust a cartel with the worlds’ food supply?

    check out the amount of u.s companies that have been fined for illegal activities.
    many of the major listed companies act illegally …..

    and when the shit hits the fan they do NOT act in a decent manner.ie exxon valdez,bopal………

    of course they would tell us if there were problems wouldnt they?

    just like lehmans,merrill lynch,northern rock,bradford+bingley,enron……..

  117. 117
    Up sh1t creek says:

    GM crops are designed to increase profits, nothing to do with improving plants or yields or the environment.

  118. 118
    Rat Face (on the left wiv the teef) says:

    I hav not been jenefficallee modyffide.

    Paff the cornflakffs pleeffe

  119. 119
    Blue Watch says:

    O/T

    Deborah Mattinson, Gordon Brown’s former pollster, tweets…

    “A month on and when Radio 4 says ‘the PM’ I still have the wrong guy in mind. Help! I’m in denial…”

    Pity that socially deficient jock guy McDoom was in denial about all the debt and misery that he heaped upon this country, descriptions like ‘colossus’,’clunking fist’,’saved the world’ defy description!!

  120. 120
    RSPCA says:

    Hello
    This is an appeal by the RSPCA. We are in need of more funds as we are getting short of space. I don’t know why we are short of space as we kill most of our hostages due to non-payment of the ransom. If you would like to see us with more space and not have to kill more hostages send us your mpney.

  121. 121
    Mr O 'It's all Britain's Fault' Style-over-Substance Drama, titular head of the once great US of A says:

    I stand here before you toady and emote – much like that bloke did that used to come over here – wosisname?

  122. 122
    AC1 says:

    If you want to call something living contamination then you’re just mentally contaminated with “green” memes.

  123. 123
    Huge Slick says:

    But they want BP to pay.Hope they nuke it and fuck it up totally.

  124. 124
    Maladroit Labour Chump ( & trainee bigot ) says:

    He’ll get this kind of welcome from a real government.

    Brown and Co. would just kiss his @rse. Von Rumpoy is going to get a slightly different response now….

  125. 125
    Jus Saying says:

    Pol Pot had an interesting way with dealing with agriculture problems, also the Guardian and lefties would back it, which is handy seeing we could target them with it later.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pol_Pot

  126. 126
    Sarah Twat the Tweety Totty says:

    But never mind all that! – what I need is good seeing-to wiv a really hard wooden one (Sigh)

  127. 127
    AC1 says:

    Labour have also spent all the kids future money. Poverty follows socialist governments like a smell follows a tramp

  128. 128

    Italy is nice at this time of year. Head Lizard’s view is common here too.

  129. 129
    Bigot says:

    That would be the ‘plant a Grouniad reader’ scheme would it?

  130. 130
    Labour Governments ALWAYS end in failure and national debt says:

    After “Daves” sombre speech at Milton Keynes castigating Brown’s financial incompetent stewardship of the nation’s finances and dire legacy he has left the country will we see McAvity break his vow of silence to defend his record ??….we know that if he does not it’s either ALL true and his stewardship of the nation’s finances for the past 13 years(10 in the Treasury)is shown to be the incompetent sham it always was and he cannot defend it knowing that “Dave” can now produce the accounts revealing the truth or…..he is unable to comment for whatever reason

  131. 131
    Budgie says:

    So you would condone foolishness simply because lots of people are fools?

    It is less to do with damage to humans by eating GM than with damage to the environment by contamination and the risk of relying on sterile seeds from agri-business.

  132. 132
    sockpuppet #4 says:

    “improving plant yields” can be profitable.

    Especially if its herbicide resistance, and you happen to also be selling the herbicides.

  133. 133
    Gordon Brown stole my pension says:

    Cut services? Oh, nooo!

    Don’t tell me you’re going to have to.. drum roll.. provide for yourself?? No more sponging off others, from cradle to grave?

    How will you cope? Perhaps you won’t. Perhaps you perish, as nature intended.

    You socialist vermin have had this coming for 13 years. Forgive me if your predicament makes me laugh. I revel in your unhappiness.

  134. 134
    Gary Seven says:

    David Cameron has not said what action the tories would have taken if they were the government when the financial crisis occurred, would they have done the same and rescued capitalism and joe publics life savings or done nothing and let banks and savers go to the wall in chaos.
    By the way Big Society means charity.

  135. 135
    ERRATA says:

    Please delete the word ‘colossus’ – insert ‘colostomy bag’.

    Please delete the words ‘clunking fist’ – insert ‘fucking shit’ .

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    Herr Comrade Baron von Rumpy Pumpy, zer Kommandant der EUSSR, unt zer Master of zer UK arschlochen says:

    Heil!

    Here iz yor old fiend Rumpy, unt I vant you to know that ze euro ist nein kaput – done for. Now CamerTwat vee hav in zer goal vee can score zer points unt vin ze game ov zer EUSSR!

    Zo ! vee vill ‘av ze golt vee kno you hav – unt vee your goolies vill cut off anyvay!

    Unt your Camertwat vee vill keep until he kaput ist also. He hav no place in our long term plans fur yor stoopid little land.

    Das EUSSR – vee your masters are!

    Ha!

    Ha!

    Ha!

  137. 137
    Peter Pandelson says:

    I do believe in faires, I do believe in faires, I do believe in faires………

  138. 138
    sockpuppet #4 says:

    silly games of semantics.

    “Contaminated Blood Bill” … for example is about blood being contaminated with living things.

    What word would you suggest for the very real problem that already exists of invasive non native plants?

    PS: I suspect all this stuff is a little far fetched for GM, but there is a small but real prospect of having an invasive weed thats a right pain in the arse.

  139. 139
    Bigot says:

    I presume you need new and larger premises for your HQ – including country club and acres of car parking for the Mercs and Bentleys.

    Get stuffed.

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    AC1 says:

    That’s why I support Genetically Improved foods. Green Lefties are trying to prevent me from accessing the benefits of these crops.

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    pp says:

    I don’t care about you buying and eating it, I just don’t want it grown on our island.

    We need to exploit the benefits we have as an island.

    i.e. We could have been the european centre for varroa free bees… but the dickheads in government love the EU and their poltical masters there too much…. Just the Isle of Mann is varroa free now.

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    Must get a pseudonym one day says:

    This is nothing to do with eco-nonsense or even about feeding the world, the sole driver behind GM is corporate profit, which can only be accessed by the exercise of patents on the GM seeds, something which cannot be achieved with traditional plant-breeding.

    Once the global patent is in place, the money-tree grows. And that’s the only crop they are interested in.

    Whether it is healthy or not, I am not qualified to judge and the GM companies are not interested in discovering. It may well be that GM crops are fruitful, healthy and potential starvation-beaters, but don’t look to the GM companies or DEFRA Ministers to provide objective guidance – they have other agendas.

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    The Voice of Experience says:

    I went to a farmers cattle auction a few weeks ago. it was the first time I had ever been to one and I was struck by the age and health of the farmers and their wifes,they were in their 80’s and the picture of health and fitness. I was so taken by it I asked the friend I was with about it and he told me they eat all the things we are now told are not good for us like butter and fat on pork and suchlike,directly before it is processed in factories,befor E numbers and suchlike are added.I spent 2 weeks there and ate only food grown and raised on their smallholding ,none of their animals ate anything other than vegtables they grew and forage theanimals found on the land and in the forest.They had their own butchers and sausage machine with no additives other than apple or whatever flavour you liked in it. I felt a lot healthier after I left.And i had lived like a middle ages Baron on venison and pheasant and wood pidgeon. Everyone I know back home commented on about how healthy I looked,just as I had at the auction. Natural is the only way nature had planned for us so stick with it and fuck Monsanto and it’s agents like this cow and her rat faced hubby.They are the advert for GM.

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    Chalky says:

    Ah yes, Deborah Mattinson. I still remember her ‘impartial’ vox pops on Newsnight. You have to look very closely at the people Newsnight commission and pay out of license fee payers money for their unbiased opinions. Gavyn Davies when he worked at Goldman Sachs was another one.

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    Anna Tolia says:

    Genitally-modified, surely?

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    Must get a pseudonym one day says:

    Sounds like a good reason for not crossing a pig with a sheep – let them starve.

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    I think the obsessive lobbying by Monsanto is enough reason to not like GM foods.

    Rothschild used to say “Give me control of the country’s money supply and I care not who governs”.

    God knows what they’ll say when they control the food supply

  148. 148
    AC1 says:

    rescued capitalism? Bailing the banks out was corporate socialism.

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    Man Made Global Warming. says:

    The BBC are against GM crops and are telling the Nation’s Children that they are dangerous. Must be true then.

    GM foods can damage your health – research showed that rats eating them didn’t grow properly. New diseases could also be created by accident.
    Different species are being mixed up – to give a tomato a more reddish colour, it may be given parts of a very red fish, which seems to be against nature.
    Because GM foods are new, there has not been any long-term testing to see if they are dangerous to humans.

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/cbbcnews/hi/find_out/guides/tech/gm_foods/newsid_1746000/1746931.stm

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    sockpuppet #4 says:

    Bollocks.

    Theres no great dividing line between “natural” and “unnatural” substances. Botulism toxin is the most toxic substance, and its natural.

    Actually, everything produced by a GM organism is “natural”.
    The genes might come from other organisms, but they were still from some other organism out there in “nature”.

    e.g. its natural for jellyfish to glow, but not mice. however its still natural substances that makes GM mice glow in the dark.

  151. 151
    Ian E says:

    Also, DNA moves about in the plant kingdom in a ver promiscuous way – it will not stay just in the plants which have been modified, it will also get into other plants, possibly with unintended and unpredictable consequences.

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    Postlethwaite says:

    Clearly not master of your subject.
    GM will not be cheaper, and likely not more productive, unless of course you buy Monsanto fertiliser and such like.

    You might try googling the ”suicide gene” that Monsanto or whatever they are called today, have been trying to perfect.

    Postle

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    Grumpy Old Man says:

    You are quite right. Big society does mean a sense of responsibility towards those who cannot shift for themselves. What it does not mean is social engineering by stealth or manipulating social deprivation for political purposes. It does not mean constructing a benefits system where it is financially rewarding to break up family units or financially penalising to take up work.

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    AC1 says:

    I trust you will be lobbying government to build a way to catch migrating birds from spreading foreign seeds and contaminating pristine England?

    Halt! This is the Pollen Cops!

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    sockpuppet #4 says:

    AC1: the food its self is unlikely to be genetically improved.

    You personally are unlikely to see any benefits at all of these crops. 1/10 of a pence of a loaf of bread one day perhaps, but i doubt it.

    I’m not anti-GM, but I am unimpressed.

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    Grumpy Old Man says:

    Try Japanese Knotweed.. It’s a complete bastard.

  157. 157
    AC1 says:

    > I don’t care about you buying and eating it, I just don’t want it grown on our island.

    i.e. My(your) view counts more than yours(mine)? I’d really like Genetically Improved crops to be grown here, it’s what we’ve been doing for the last 6000 years anyway.

  158. 158
    sockpuppet #4 says:

    Thats nothing to worry about. All the seeds they bring come from within the Schengen area.

  159. 159
    Lobby Gate says:

    Fifteen per cent of new Tory MPs worked as lobbyists, research finds

    http://www.prweek.com/uk/news/1007895/Fifteen-per-cent-new-Tory-MPs-worked-lobbyists-research-finds/

  160. 160
    AC1 says:

    All farming is about Profit you numpty. Profit isn’t a bad word, it’s antonym, and the result of idiots meddling in the affairs of others (socialism) is loss and that really is a bad word.

  161. 161
    Grumpy Old Man says:

    Exactly how much are they paying god? If Monsanto have big G (not you Gordon) we’re really in the shit.

  162. 162
    AC1 says:

    Despite the best intentions of the NHS, the age at death of the population continues to increase, and will continue to do so after Genetically Improved foods further improve the economy.

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  164. 164
    AC1 says:

    To THE MAN FROM MONSANTO
    Did Genetically Improved foods turn you into a newt as well?

  165. 165
    Grumpy Old Man says:

    Any connection between BBC political reportage and reality exists purely in the mind of the delusionist.

  166. 166
    AC1 says:

    Loon.

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    Budgie says:

    Contamination is possible if hybrid seeds or the “terminator gene” escape into the rest of the plant species. We are looking at the possibility of future total famine, because all life is dependent on plants.

  168. 168
    AC1 says:

    Coca Cola Workers are to watch football.

    I would refer CocaCola to the 6 million unemployed in the UK and the ability of collective bargaining to lead to collective sacking.

  169. 169
    GMphobia says:

    Then you had better be afraid be very afraid, The rest of the world is munching GM chow, Britain’s farm animals are munching imported GM feed, GM pollen is blown in from the continent. Even though the label says product of Johnny Foreigner GM free you can betcha that it ain’t.

  170. 170
    Grimelord says:

    It will be interesting to see who they wheel out to defend labours piss poor record. I assume that Liam Byrne and Brown will be unavailable for comment. Tossers

  171. 171
    Boss Hog says:

    No no no

  172. 172
    AC1 says:

    Paranoid Loon.

  173. 173
    AC1 says:

    I’ve probably given the EUSSR an idea of how to waste more money now haven’t I?

  174. 174
    The Bankers says:

    They would do as we say,Lions in the parks was our way of saying this is a gun at your head

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    Grumpy Old Man says:

    “Go and live on GM food for a year, grow a third eye, get stomach cancer and then come back and tell us how great it is”

    Scientifically-based evidence please. Links to studies would be appreciated .
    Man-in-pub anecdotes not required.

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    Another Engineer says:

    As long as we get the choice as to what to buy, I don’t care. I don’t like Monsanto particularly but there is no compulsion in the matter.

    All foods are GM, it just took a long time. All “natural” plants contain a vast array of pesticides that are designed to stop you eating them. Solanine (potatoes), Furocoumarins (parsnips), Lectins (kidney beans), Oxalic acid (rhubarb), Amygdalin (Apples/Pears/Apricots) etc etc etc. Its war out there!

    What about the wheat strains bred by gamma irradiation of the seeds designed to cause random mutations? Is that good or bad? Or are targeted mutations better?

  177. 177
    Anonymous says:

    I didn’t know he milked cows.

  178. 178
    Martin Day says:

    Here we go

    two Exeter Lib Dem cllrs join Labour http://ow.ly/1UYoz

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    The Voice of Experience says:

    Well put mr Skint

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    AC1 says:

    An annual plant with sterile seeds won’t be in nature for long, will it? It also can’t do much harm while it’s there.

    When you look at it the risk of a famine from this it’s quite frankly dumb.

  181. 181
    Budgie says:

    No, breeding takes from the species existing gene pool, GM introduces new genes even from other phyla.

  182. 182
    Grumpy Old Man says:

    You were accosted by him in a kitchen and your deputy was guided by him into a closet. Does “Gordon” ring any bells?

  183. 183
    The regualtor says:

    Sorry I regulated all that debt into existence and thus bankrupted all the banks.

    Thank God the media are so pliant and haven’t worked out what I did.

  184. 184
    The regulator says:

    Sorry I regulated all that debt into existence and thus b4nkrupted the economy.

    Thank God the media are so pliant and haven’t worked out what I did.

  185. 185
    The Milked says:

    The cows are us.

  186. 186
    Thatcher says:

    We have become an irrelevance.

  187. 187
    Google Blairs Law (not tony). says:

    It’s all coming together!

  188. 188
    Oby watch says:

    See Obama two can play your game

  189. 189
    streamfisher says:

    We tried growing Grouniad Nuts in Africa in the 50’s but it was a commercial disaster.

  190. 190
    Grumpy Old Man says:

    Good. Two more lefty loonies to muddy the waters. Keep collecting them and get a free trip to Oblivion.

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    Jus Saying says:

    If GM food makes you as ugly as Spelman and her hubby, I think I will give it a miss thanks.

  192. 192
    Prig Watch says:

    why don’t you just accept people have moral views and feelings about this instead of being a prig?

  193. 193
    AC1 says:

    He can’t type as Genes turned him into a newt.

  194. 194
    Mr Umbrage says:

    Mugs

  195. 195
    Community Fox Outreach Officer says:

    We are now moving into the foxes area because towns are expanding.What shite.like we are not part of the ecology of the planet.Foxes are not having more rights than me. end of.

  196. 196
    AC1 says:

    not just political reporting.

    Science (well it’s more religious reporting of the Holy AGW), Business (need I say anything), Health (we say the NHS is brilliant), Education (More indoctrination), and Technology (wanking off to Apple press releases).

  197. 197
    Cabbage MP says:

    Don’t knock GM. I owe everything to the industry. I used to be a lonely cabbage. But now I am a Member of Parliament

  198. 198
    Eat Shit Officer says:

    If GM is natural then I can shit in your dinner.

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    revolting peasant. says:

    One of the most worrying aspects of GM is the “terminator” gene which will effectively give firms like Monsanto complete control over the worlds seeds.
    And claims that GM foods need less pestcides are complete bollocks served up by these bio bastards to try and make it more palatable to the public. GM will never be accepted by the population.

  200. 200
    Sack her says:

    Its not about the rights and wrongs of GM. It’s about a fiddler who has interests being in a position to profit.

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  202. 202
    albacore says:

    Planted at a crossroads between Vlad the Impaler and Gilles de Rais, with a stake through his moral compass.

  203. 203
    Humpty Rumpty says:

    So this is what Von Rumpey was demanding to see.

    http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/politics/article7145207.ece

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    Labour Governments ALWAYS end in failure and national debt says:

    Liam Bynre has already been on “Daily Politics Show” criticising Dave for the expected savage cuts but went strangely quiet when asked whether his note stating “We’ve spent all the money” would be used against him by the coalition to prove their argument that Labour has bust the country

  205. 205
    little nicky says:

    Fucking hell, they’re not the sharpest tools in the box by the look of them are they? Anyway, why don’t they all just fuck off the dopey twats?

  206. 206
    Ma Koaten says:

    Ohhh, would that be seconds or No.2s

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    Attlee was a modest man;he had a lot to be modest about says:

    Yes another groundbreaking scheme by the Labour Party which delivered fuck all…trouble is Labour never learns anything from their previous disasters

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    Editor says:

    Hmm what to allow in comments that will invoke a libel that could generate web traffic but not cost in court

  209. 209

    Spelman is a genetically modified Launa Kuenssberg

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    Budgie says:

    GM seeds lock third world farmers into a cycle of dependence on an expensive monopoly system of seed/fertiliser/pesticide.

    Many farmers hate this costly dependence. The yields may slightly increase at first but because weeds/diseases become tolerant of the pesticides, that benefit disappears but the costs and dependence remain. In any case farmers in third world countries lose out more by political factors such as corruption and aid than by low yields.

    And there is still the risk of genetic contamination of other crops and wild plant life.

  211. 211
    Budgie says:

    AC1 – it’s the gene(s) that can get into other plants – that’s why I said contamination.

  212. 212
    Postlethwaite says:

    Why do we want eye of newt and wing of bat ever to get into the cabbage gene pool?

    Postle

  213. 213
    lemuel smiggins says:

    Fuck off Jimmy.

  214. 214
    Anonymous says:

    Idiot

  215. 215

    My company chose the RSPCA as its regular charity. One day I was walking down a road when I passed a house where the most distressing animal squealing was coming from the garden. As I got closer I could see 2 young boys and an older man burning a dog with a blow lamp. I was very distressed and rang the RSPCA, the female receptionist grumpily told me they couldn’t help and I should go away.

    I called the police and they told me they were too busy to help and suggested I contact the local RSPCA.

    Instead I leaped over the fence and beat the shit out of all 3, I then took away the dog and handed it to a friend who has a farm. It’s now a very happy and healthy family dog.

    I stopped my company subscription to the RSPCA and they had the audacity to ask me why!!!

  216. 216
    revolting peasant. says:

    I grow most of my own fruit and veg to feed my family in my garden and on a couple of allotments.I also sell spare crops cheaply to the elderly in my village. I’m not a green evangalist- it’s just something I’ve always enjoyed doing.What I don’t want is idiots meddling in my affairs by gaining control of the world’s seed bank. It’s no over-exaggeration to say that’s what will happen if GM goes ahead.The “terminator”gene inserted in the GM seeds mean you can never save seed to use next year as it will simply not germinate.

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    streamfisher says:

    If a Johnny foreigner accosted you in the street again after cleaning your wallet out on previous occasions, this time demanding to see your bank statement what would you say (excepting a Blair or a Brown that is), we are already liable for another £8 Billion thanks to Gormless.

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    AC1 says:

    So GM won’t have any commercial advantages, but it will be totally used in preference to more profitable varieties?

    Do you realise how stupid that sounds?

  219. 219
    AC1 says:

    and that’s why you want to narrow other peoples choice of foodstuffs?

    That makes no sense.

    You should be arguing to reform patents, not against Genetically Improved foods.

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    AC1 says:

    Isn’t that an argument against growing ANY food?

    Genes are Genes.

  221. 221
    brown britain says:

    How long before we have another Marxist cuпt to ruin another country?

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    AC1 says:

    If we’d have been more prudent and didn’t waste all the money building hammocks for the feckless and instead letting people invest it in the economy, we could continue to afford to help those who really require it via charity.

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    AC1 says:

    It’s not just the Gene Expression that’s altered, breeding adds new and different genes.

    Genetic Improvement is just a more reliable way for this to occur.

  224. 224

    Do please stop reading the BBC’s “news and views” output, it’s making you ill: even visiting their site has apparently been linked to scurvy, impetigo and halitosis.

  225. 225
    bandersnatch says:

    Lay off Waitrose, lay off couscous… Anyone with even a few of Poirots little grey cells knows ‘organic food’ is a ridiculous and expensive nonsense. The prosletisers of ‘organic’ food are bio-nutritionally illiterate, and are prepared to push us back into an era of squirearchy farming with plenty of poorly paid agricultural workers to spread the none too healthy to be around the spinach horse shit.

  226. 226
    AC1 says:

    Because what was written was incoherent babbling.

  227. 227
    Koba says:

    Trev,
    The RSPCA are a political organisation from the far left. I hope you told them why you stopped your subscription.

  228. 228

    “Try Japanese Knotweed.. It’s a complete bastard.”

    Sliced up and and air cured it makes a great smoke though.

  229. 229
    inyourendo says:

    Ooer, John Bull is getting into Maggie’s Drawers.

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    streamfisher says:

    Anyone remember food irradiation that they tried to foist on the public, that would have meant they could literally import and sell you shit at the Supermarket because it then passed the fit for human consumption test.

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    AC1 says:

    So don’t grow stuff using them.

    Tada! your problem* with terminator genes is solved.

    My problem with being given access to Genetically Improved products has to wait until someone removes the irrational laws on their availability.

    *Or maybe look at reforming patent law.

  232. 232
    bandersnatch says:

    You get a shig with wool on the crackling of your chops, or a peep that grunts and oinks its way to the halal butchers.

  233. 233
    AC1 says:

    We don’t have one now?

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    Maladroit Labour Chump ( & trainee bigot ) says:

    Wow !! What a coup !! I’m absolutely bowled over with indifference !

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    Mr Ned says:

    It is not just profit, it is ultimate control over the production of food worldwide and the immediate ability to to switch off and starve any population, or introduce genetic illnesses at will that is the aim of Monsanto.

    They are messing with the code for life. This code is far more complex than any computer program and yet they are playing with the tiny parts of it that they do understand, without giving any thought at all to the mass of the code which they have not understood. They think that most of the DNA strand is junk, because they do not understand it. They have no idea of the implications.

    All GM food should be banned!

    I am not against genetic modifications, as GM algae to create green fuels are a very good thing. it just should not end up in our food supply.

  236. 236
    streamfisher says:

    FFS, just been modded for using a four letter word; f**d (* = o).

  237. 237
    AC1 says:

    The number of Foxes and the size of the Greenbelt are expanding.

    http://markwadsworth.blogspot.com/2010/06/fun-online-polls-islam-hallowed.html

  238. 238
    bandersnatch says:

    ‘Natural’ is a daft category to praise… It’s natural for diabetics to die, fortunately we humans have devised a way to give them insulin artificially so that they don’t.

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    Editor says:

    Some of the Bilderbergers and what they do.links to the webs

    Altman, Roger C. Chairman and CEO, Evercore Partners, Inc advice on mergers

    http://www.evercore.com/

    Davignon, Etienne F,one of Von Rumpys crew

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/%C3%89tienne_Davignon

    Jon Fredrik President and CEO, Telenor Group ,communications

    http://www.telenor.com/

    Balsemão, Francisco Pinto Chairman and CEO, IMPRESA, S.G.P.S.; Broadcasting and media

    http://www.impresa.pt/

    Baverez, Nicolas Partner, Gibson, Dunn & Crutcher ,lawyers

    http://www.gibsondunn.com/Pages/default.aspx

    Bompard, Alexandre CEO, Europe 1,Europe radio network

    http://www.europe1.fr/

    Cebrián, Juan Luis CEO, Grupo PRISA Big media

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PRISA

    Taylor, J. Martin Chairman, Syngenta International AG,food UK

    http://www2.syngenta.com/en/index.html

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    Mr Ned says:

    AC1, it will not be used because of the commercial advantage of growing a GM crop, (as there is NONE) but because there will be no choice for the farmer as Monanto et al enforce their patents onto every farm that becomes contaminated with seed that they did not plant themselves. Then the farmer will be given the option to pay for (and grow) the GM crop or lose their farm in court for patent infringement and illegally growing GM crop.

    This is happening all across the USA.

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    sockpuppet #4 says:

    I think you are being rather stupid about all this AC1, yes.
    You seem to have been sucked into a rather easily sniffed out commercial PR and lobbying. Dim.

    The food its self is almost never “genetically improved”.

    There are all sorts of things that make other people money and do not do “you personally” any good at all.
    My point about bread: if wheat yields increased by 10% say, who gets to pocket the savings etc? The farmers get a bit perhaps, GM seed providers earn billions- they could corner the market entirely and farmers and consumers remain pretty much where they were beforehand. I bet you one tenth of a pence we don’t see the benefit ourselves.

    I’ll say, GM: I’m unimpressed. But then theres many people rolling in cash from selling pointless unimpressive shite.

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    AC1 says:

    Irradiation was basically just killing bacteria in food with an electron beam, like the one’s in a CRT TV.

    I’d also like to be able to access electron sterilised food. Be great if they could do a home one like a microwave. Sealed stuff would last ages longer in the fridge.

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    sockpuppet #4 says:

    poo. I used a bad word.

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    bandersnatch says:

    You’re not from Cater Ruck then.

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    Cuntfuckshittwatbastard says:

    no way,c unt fuck shit,twat,bastard,

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    bandersnatch says:

    The older I get the worse I spell. Make that Carter.

  247. 247
    Cuntfuckshittwatbastard says:

    steamfisher..must have been a glitch.

  248. 248
    Roger Waters says:

    The cold glass eye has done a lot of damage.

  249. 249
    Blue Watch says:

    How the feck do they get the ‘R’ in their name when there is only an ‘N’ in NSPCC!

  250. 250
    streamfisher says:

    Judging by your number of pro GM posts the Spelmans are not the only ones over here working for Monsanto.

  251. 251
    Yop The Dog says:

    Yop Yop

  252. 252
    Polaks says:

    We weren’t burning it.we was cooking it

  253. 253
    sockpuppet #4 says:

    It wouldnt last ages. you’d get chemical spoilage. And there would be great risks of food poisoning if you didn’t get it right.

    your first sentence is indeed correct, but I think the rest shows that the nanny state does indeed need to stop you from harming yourself. And I mean “you” and not “one”.

    PS: why would you put sterile food in the fridge?

  254. 254
    Smiley Face says:

    The Looking Glass-Eye War you mean!

  255. 255

    “I could see 2 young boys and an older man burning a dog with a blow lamp.”

    Was the dog Cherie Blair?

  256. 256
    sockpuppet #4 says:

    might be that supermarket that did it.

  257. 257
    Head Lizard says:

    That is very interseting as I had cause to call them re some cattle and got told they don’t do farm animals and yet here it says they do.

    http://wiki.answers.com/Q/Who_founded_the_RSPCA_and_when

  258. 258
    The Above Poster Is Real Loon says:

    At which you are the master AC1.
    You must be jealous.

  259. 259
    Just Curious says:

    AC1 how much are your shares in Mosanto worth mate?

  260. 260
    THE MAN FROM MONSANTO SAYS STOMACH CANCER! says:

    And you AC1 clearly can’t type either or else you would have typed GM FOOD CAUSED CANCER IN RATS and you would see the outcome of that research which was GM FOOD CAUSES STOMACH CANCER.
    Grumpy old man, do your own research, I suppose the reason that you do not is because you figure you do not have much time left and will soon die.
    At least you won’t die from stomach cancer caused by eating GM foods.

  261. 261
    streamfisher says:

    Fuck all!, If I have anything to do with it.

  262. 262
    Shill Spotter says:

    You are Caroline Spelman suffering a severe case of PMT and I claim my £5.00.

  263. 263
    Great Granddad says:

    Pandora’s box has been opened. BP will likely some day be able to plug their oil spill in the Gulf but putting GM back in the box is likely to prove beyond us. I am already struggling to pay for Labour’s binge spending. I cannot afford to pay for Monsanto’s binge science.

  264. 264

    Hold on. As a Libertarian I am against patents full stop.

  265. 265

    Hence the tuscan living in a remote barn in Italy with a dwarf missing from a Serb circus as a room mate

  266. 266
    13eastie says:

    In ‘nature’ around 1:1,000,000 base-pairs is generated eroneously. That’s a fucking shit-load of mutant genes every day from outside the ‘existing gene pool’. (And it’s also the raw material for the existence of life and its evolution).

    Against these numbers, an evil scientist inadvertently creating a genuine and uncontrollable survival advantage which then migrates to other species in the way you suggest is laughable.

    “Breeding” techniques have for centuries successfully created polyploid species that are genetically totally distinct from parent plants, and which have since occupied their niches in nature.

    The only practical thing that is new about GM is that the results are faster and more predictable.

    As far as dependence is concerned, any farmer who truly depends on GM seeds is clearly in dire need of them.

    Or is having these folk depend on charitable aid more acceptable to you than them engaging successfully in economic activity?

  267. 267
    Mr Ned says:

    An argument against growing any food? Not at all.

    To mess about with the genetic make-up of food-stuffs and artificially incorporate genes from other plants or animals which would never end up becoming added to a plant naturally, or via selective breeding, is crazy.

    This has serious unintended consequences. A piece of “junk” DNA may be removed in a target species and replaced with the enhanced DNA. This junk DNA may not have apparently done anything recognisable, but may be essential in the next evolutionary step of that species, or may have a serious consequence to a host organism if it is not in their natural food plant. Or, the new enhanced DNA strand may also have unintended consequences as it may switch on other “junk” strands either in the plant itself, or in species of organism that naturally feed on the plant in the wild. This change in DNA can then add other mutations into nature.

    Messing with the DNA of complex animals is even worse.

    We have already let the Genii out of the bottle. There is plenty of evidence suggesting that selectively bred bees are dying off PARTLY as a consequence of Genetically enhanced crops. There are hundreds of other mutations occurring in the wild.

    As a software engineer, I would never “mess” with lines of code if I did not know what other functions, procedures or libraries were called by or which called these lines. To do so risks introducing serious errors in the program, or in the interaction of that program with other programs.

    “Messing” with DNA is several orders of magnitude more complex and un-knowable than that. We have no idea as to the knock-on effects on the DNA and RNA of these or other species. The scientists involved say there is no risk, but they are paid to say that.

    They have NOT sufficiently analysed the risks. To do so would mean the decoding of the DNA of every single living organism on earth and the analysis of what could happen in the cross application of all the bits of DNA in every species to every other species.

    Clearly this has not been done.

    Genetic modification is potentially HIGHLY dangerous and the results of such should never be released into the wild.

    Do it in the lab by all means, but not in the wild.

  268. 268
    Shill Spotter says:

    And your genes are regressing on an hourly basis.

  269. 269
    Mr Ned says:

    This is one of the few areas the BBC have got right.

    And yes, I hate admitting that the BBC are right on anything.

  270. 270
    Mr Ned says:

    MY GOD, You are right! Labour were wonderful after all. The new coalition failing to fix 13 years of utter incompetence, greed, extreme fuckmuppetry and corruption in only one month proves it!

  271. 271
    AC1 says:

    I have been doing some research on GM foods and have found out the results of tests that prove GM foods cause stomach cancer and so I have changed my mind about the whole thing.
    GM foods must be banned immediately.

  272. 272
    Mr Ned says:

    Agreed AC1. Rescuing “capitalism” would have required the bust banks to collapse and the remaining healthier banks to buy up the good parts of the bad banks and leave the shit to rot.

    This would have created a much deeper and faster decline in the economy, but it would have been over more quickly and we would have got back into prosperity far quicker.

    However it suits the elite banking class to get governments even deeper in debt as these banks make much more money from that in the long run. Hence why the banks forced the Government (their puppets) to bail them out.

  273. 273
    Mr Ned says:

    ditto

  274. 274
    Mr Ned says:

    “i.e. My(your) view counts more than yours(mine)?”

    It does when my view supports natural foods and does not cause any danger to anyone else, and yours wants to contaminate and poison MY food.

    If you want to poison yourself, go ahead, drink some bleach if you want. But I object most strongly to your selfish desire to poison MY food, just because you are wilfully ignorant of the dangers.

  275. 275
    Mr Ned says:

    Yup, the suicide rate of Farmers across India and Africa has gone through the roof in the last 15 years. The one big constant in those statistics is that it is farmers using GM seeds who are committing suicide as their yields fall, income diminishes and they are incapable of retaining seed (against the contract) and they cannot afford to grow crops. The likes of Monsanto et al then move in and take over these farms and get them dirt cheap.

    GM crops are NOT making foods cheaper, nor are they making yields larger in practice.

  276. 276
    Mr Ned says:

    No, he had several of them.

  277. 277
    Mr Ned says:

    And more importantly, stuff you yanks at FOOTBALL.

    The real football that is, not that shite overpadded American gridiron football thing for pooftas and wimps.

  278. 278
    Mr Ned says:

    No mandate? On which planet? This coalition Government represents 60% of the votes at the last election.

    Dave’s part of that is larger than Blair’s was in 2005.

    Of course there is a fucking mandate you twat!

  279. 279
    Mr Ned says:

    Thank fuck I stopped drinking that foul drink some time ago.

  280. 280
    Mr Ned says:

    Just because you disagree with it, AC1, does not make it incoherent babbling. Such ad hominems shows a serious weakness with your own knowledge and debating skills equivalent to giving up your argument and accepting defeat.

    Actually there is a great deal of truth in what he wrote.

    Do you have shares in a GM company by any chance AC1?

  281. 281
    Mr Ned says:

    agreed

  282. 282
    Mr Ned says:

    He is rolling back the state’s databases. He is scrapping the National Identity Register AND the contact point database. They are both large and significant acts in reducing the database state.

    Ideally he should scrap the NHS database too, but to suggest that he is lying based on one database not being scrapped, is simply incorrect.

    The reason for keeping the NHS database is probably because it would cost a hell of a lot more to scrap it (in compensation fees) than it would to keep it.

  283. 283
    Budgie says:

    Actually evolution happens extraordinarily slowly (periods in excess of hundreds of thousands of years) so ‘natural’ mutations in the vast majority of cases fail, are isolated and are not transmitted.

    By contrast a man made GM is grown widely. That is its purpose. Such monoculture is dangerous on its own. Combined with the risk of genetic contamination, which is much higher than natural mutations because of their wide spread, GM crops provide marginal benefits but massive risks to our food supply.

    Naturally occurring polyploidy is not the problem. Direct genetic manipulation such as the introduction of fish genetic material into tomato plants is.

  284. 284
    Mr Ned says:

    good, if that daft old bitch is upset by it, it must be doing something right. Senile old cow as she is.

    Don’t get me wrong, she was the right person for the job in the early 80’s and did a lot of unpleasant stuff that sadly needed to be done after labour and the unions had fucked this country sideways. But she went out of her mind towards the end.

    Nobody should be PM for more than 8 years.

  285. 285
    Mr Ned says:

    Well I hope Cameron gave him a warm welcome, sat him in a very comfortable chair, gave him the best food and drink and then told him politely to go and fuck himself.

    I guess that Cameron may have missed that last bit off.

  286. 286
    Mr Ned says:

    Time to allow us all to carry firearms. Shoot the foxes!

  287. 287
    Mr Ned says:

    So, AC1, you do not understand how pollination occurs in the wild then? You don not understand recessive or dominant genes or how mutations naturally occur even within “controlled” studies? The terminator gene has already got out into the wild.

    People do not have a choice about using GM crops when they have their own crops contaminated by it. Worse still, farmers who do have their own crops ruined by it are then sued for unlawfully growing the stuff in breach of patent.

    Shit that industry funded scientists assured us could not possibly happen in the wild, ALREADY HAS!

    So far the impact in the west has been relatively minimal. Give it another 100 years and who knows how bad it will get.

  288. 288

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  289. 289
    Mr Ned says:

    Correct. If it is sterile and sealed, then there would be no bacteria to cause spoilage even if stored above the 5 degrees centigrade that bacteria starts to multiply at.

    However, I have huge problems with the idea of eradicating all bacteria from food.

    As houses have become cleaner and anti-bacterial cleaners more effective, more and more people are getting weaker and weaker immune systems and allergies are exploding.

    We need bacteria to increase and test our immune systems.

    I am not advocating eating rotten food, but healthy food does have some bacteria on it, Unless freshly cooked that is.

  290. 290
    Mr Ned says:

    It’s not just about profit. It is about absolute and total control of the whole food chain. It is about enslaving the food producer to the corporation and controlling who gets to eat and who doesn’t.

  291. 291
    Lil Olmey says:

    but you’re not all there.

  292. 292
    Lil Olmey says:

    I wonder when they’ll realise there’s no money left to pay them ?

  293. 293
    Gary Seven says:

    The comments are very glib on this board, How would Mr Ned and AC1 would have felt if it was their bank and savings that had gone to the wall.
    Grumpy Old Man, your love for charity sorry ‘big society’ does not work during a recession as statistically the well off are not the biggest donors. By the way from I infer from your comment that you would work for less than the minimum wage, please be sure to inform your employer.
    I’m afraid that the tories want to take us back to a pre-1945 system of
    capitalism, where as some impoverished Dunkirk veterans said on TV that they were only in the army as to recieve a square meal and it was certainly not the good old days. You young tories cannot pull the wool over the eyes of the older generation.

  294. 294
    revolting peasant. says:

    Mr Ned is right- contamination is one aspect that is so frightening.
    Also describing it as Genetically Improved rather than Genetically Modified doesn’t make it any more desirable.
    We plant the seed, Nature grows the seed, We eat the seed. That’s the way it’s always been and there is absolutely no need to fuck about with it.

  295. 295
    13eastie says:

    >> Such monoculture is dangerous on its own

    This is simply a hysterical claim supported by zero evidence.

    >> GM crops provide marginal benefits but massive risks to our food supply

    Again, worry-mongering and conjecture are not really adequate a substitute for evidence, are they? What data point to your implicit conclusion that the likely costs outweigh the benefits?

    By stringing together a series of flimsy scare-stories, listing some vague ‘things that have never actually happened’ (presumably in the hope that their juxtaposition will have some sort of multiplicative effect) you are simply highlighting the reality that there is no basis in fact for anything you’re saying.

    Is this really how you hope to persuade Africa to ‘go organic’?

  296. 296
    Eddie Strange says:

    I don`t have a problem with Spelman (my former MP) or GM and wonder why Guido does.


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