May 26th, 2010

Cable’s Positioning

Vince Cable has been looking like he swallowed a bee ever since Cleggmania took off. His announcement today that he is resigning as deputy leader of the LibDems is transparently a piece of positioning. Cameron manages to combine being party leader with being PM and Clegg somehow copes with being deputy PM and party leader.

Is it therefore really believable that Cable can’t cope with being deputy party leader and a Minister overseeing a contracting department? Isn’t he just distancing himself from the Cleggies?

UPDATE : Cable is the punters favourite to be the first Minister to resign from the cabinet.


  1. 1
    Can't remember my moniker says:

    Isn’t he supposed to be a saint?

  2. 2

    Only on the BBC.

  3. 3
    Engineer says:

    A case of somebody who can talk a good job, but finds it harder when asked to actually do said job?

  4. 4
    Peter Grimes says:

    Perhaps he is going back to ZaNuLieBor. They are about as good at finance as Big Vinny so he will be at home!

  5. 5
    Never mind Dave, Nick and Guido still love you says:

    In fact Guido loves you so much he’ll delete anything that pokes fun at you because he’s just that eager to prove how ‘independent’ he is


  6. 6
    Garry Sobers says:

    Cable sulks.

  7. 7
    Can't remember my moniker says:

    You never see any smoke coming out of the BBC chimney do you?

  8. 8
    Peter Grimes says:

    He is, after all, a really old git, isn’t he!

    And he looks it!

  9. 9

    You get deleted because you keep posting the same video over and over again irrelevantly.

  10. 10
    bye bye coalition says:

    Mr Fawkes omits the fact that Cable has a strong following among the Limp Dems, particularly amongst those who didn’t get a job and will be the first to put the boot into this farcical coalition when it begins to crumble after the new AV Voting Referendum proves to be hot air and fails

  11. 11
    Where's that hilarious bloke who posts something funny from youtube? says:

    This youtube clip is even funnier the second time around, do post it again sometime, it’s hilarious!

  12. 12
    Hahahahaha!! says:

    Riiiiight! And you posted the same crud trying to rip off Private Eye’s Brown Diary night after night so that makes us even don’t it ?

  13. 13
    Can't remember my moniker says:

    Have you tried LabourList. You will like it there.

  14. 14
    Grumpy Old Man says:

    Our Vincent has always been very good at talking the talk. For the whole of his political life he’s been in the position of not having to follow through with action to back up the words. Now he is required to walk the walk, he’s struggling to keep out of the Mr Bean slot himself. i think there’s every chance he’s simply overstretched and has the self-knowledge to realise it. Lets see who replaces him. BTW did you catch David Laws today? Bloody magnificent – Labour couldn’t lay a finger on him.

  15. 15
    Dave's "independent" mouthpiece deletes a youtube that makes fun of his master says:

    thanks for proving my point

  16. 16
    Here's a new clip for Dave's "independent" mouthpiece and it's relevant says:

  17. 17
    Cu;'t remember my monglicker says:

    because it’s full of dronelike Party hacks, twats and poodles like you
    and because Labour can fuck off since they are shit, also like you

  18. 18
    martin sewell says:

    So long as David Laws and 15 others stay the others can go anytime they like.

  19. 19
    Rendition, Torture & War Apologist Miliband says:

    The economy is a mess. I think Cable maybe a perfectionist and wants to focus on getting the economy moving again.

  20. 20
    This David Laws ? says:

    Bloody Magnificent! Hahahahaha!!

  21. 21

    I think this may be a clever strategic move. Any future reshuffle will want to keep Vince to have the support of the LibDem left. Especially if he does a half decent job. But with a new Deputy Leader, Cameron couldn’t just say “no more Cabinet seats”. It’ll result in another LibDem Secretary of State to keep the coalition stable.

    Could well be a bloody clever bit of politicking there! We’ll have to wait and see.

  22. 22
    Genghiz the kahn says:

    Perhaps St Vincent thinks that he can secure 34 nominations to lead New Labour in opposition.

  23. 23
    Grumpy Old Man says:

    And another thing. Downsizing a large corporate structure is one of the most demanding jobs in the world. That’s why corporations bring in a hitman who does what’s required then leaves the company. Anyone else think this could be Vinnie’s last big job before a peerage and a place on the EU commission?

  24. 24
    Peasant says:

    Maybe he thinks it is not too late to throw his hat into the ring for the Labour leadership?

  25. 25
    This David Laws ? Bloody Magnificent and bound to get deleted because it's relevant and new says:

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    Engineer says:

    That’s what he’s supposed to do, isn’t he? But no Business Secretary can wave a magic wand, it’s more about getting the economic and regulatory framework in place to encourage business and commerce.

    Since St Vince has been given special responsibility for bank regulation, I’d have expected some comment from him about the EU goings-on regarding bank bail-out funds. Nothing. He’s left it all to Osborne.

  27. 27
    Peasant says:

    Right, Laws, Clegg and their neo-Tory friends.

  28. 28

    thought that was Simon Templer

  29. 29
    after the Limp Dems whole reason for this coalition proves to be bullshit says:

    they won’t

  30. 30
    Just for you, since you requested it, here's a brand new one, we'll see if Guido can take it says:

  31. 31
    Grumpy Old Man says:

    Never was a fan of Tarzan – got exactly what he deserved – then and now. In case you hadn’t noticed, talent, not tribalism, is the watchword. With deference to the new politics, I won’t even suggest that the word “asshole”” entered my mind.

  32. 32
    Guido's still 'Balls' deep in Camoron! says:

    Dave loves the BBC.

  33. 33
    Jethro says:

    ‘Slowly, slowly, Cape St. Vincent, to the North-west died away,
    Sunset ran one glorious blood-red, reeking into CadizBay…”

  34. 34
    Can't remember my moniker says:

    Paradigm example of education under NewLabour.

  35. 35
    Unsworth says:

    Simon Templar – with an ‘a’, actually. But close enough, I guess.

  36. 36
    nell says:

    C’mon let’s be sympathetic here.

    I think he’s being realistic as an oldie (like me) who understands that he has limitations so only wants to do one job and do it well.

    After all he also has to have time for family and ballroom dancing etc!! And I don’t mean that unkindly. I think those activities are healthy and good things.

    We are glad to be rid of ministers who are obsessive like gordon, mandy, balls or bliar who only, intensely, concentrated on their ego’s, careers and bank balances to the exclusion the national benefit, family or outside interests.

  37. 37
    Can't remember my moniker says:

    No, he was The Saint, LM.

  38. 38
    Grumpy Old Man says:

    Templar. As in Knights Templar, scourge of the Sassanid Turks in the 14th/15th Century.

  39. 39
    Nick B says:

    Vinnie is not too keen on the Di-partite political system… namely because there is no room for a grumbling old fool.

    If he gets a peerage then it will be further ridicule of the British system of rule. He is quite bigoted and the Lords is about balanced debate.

  40. 40
    Gordon Brown says:

    Can I be the deputy leader? I don’t have anything to do. I’m not wanted on the American lecture circuit. And no publishers want my memoirs.

  41. 41
    nell says:

    I suspect , other than the militwits, balls, diane, burnham idiots , there is no-one who would want the leadership of the labour party for the next thirty or so years!!

    Why else do you think hattyharpic and mandy have decided to sink into the shadows and let these fools take the lead??!! Hmmm!!

  42. 42
    Unsworth says:

    Reminds me of a slightly dyspepsic Yoda.

  43. 43
    nell says:

    Well grumpy – it may be!

    I suspect he’ll make a good job of it!!

  44. 44
    Vince The Cable says:

    I should be Chancellor!!!

  45. 45
    Rendition, Torture & War Apologist Miliband says:

    Give the guy a chance to get his arse on the seat before you start criticising him. He has only been in the job for a few weeks and everybody is having a go. The Eurozone & the Asian markets are unstable. Europe is trying to get to grips with bank regulations. Labour have made a right mess of our economy. Osborne & Cable have a real mess to deal with. Give Cable a chance to show he is capable. The guy deserves a chance to make a go of it.

  46. 46
    Yoda says:

    Not dyspeptic I am.

  47. 47
    Tattooed_Arry says:

    Cable and his fellow Richmond-upon-Thames Lib Dem Cronies, are the most devious, corrupt, back-stabbing, scum-bags you could hope to meet.
    I met the whole cabal of them during the eighties and I’ve seen nothing in the years since that would change the opinion that I formed then.
    Saint Vince – my arse.
    Clegg ought to watch his back.

  48. 48
    grobdj says:

    there will be plenty of push and shove like this in this coalition

    Although LibDems have been told before to go back to their constituencies and prepare for Government, the idea of country first and politicking second will come as a shock

  49. 49
    Can't remember my moniker says:

    Agree on the ego point. Time will tell, nell.

    BTW I was born in the last year of the first half of last century. Does that mean I am an oldie too?

  50. 50
    SadButMadLad says:

    Of the Labour Party, where I belong.

  51. 51
    Dài the spy says:

    Cable snaps – cast adrift!

  52. 52
    Anonymous says:

    Peters principle~~ in a hierarchy people rise to a level beyond their competence.

  53. 53
    nell says:

    C’mon Eng give him some slack here.

    They are swimming against the tide and doing rather well if I might say so.

    If St Vince thinks he needs all his energies to do one job and let someone else take over the Deputy Leadership of the LibDems, I think I can understand that!

    At least he knows his limitations .

    The previous Business Secretary – Y’know the lord mandy everything who thought he was God’s gift to all of us for everything and actually achieved nothing??!!

    So I think St Vince probably has the right idea in concentrating on the important things.

  54. 54
    Can't remember my moniker says:

    My reply at 48 for some unknown reason.

  55. 55
    Ratsniffer says:

    St Vincent of Cable is, I believe, one of those who is having to “hold his nose” in an alliance with the conservatives. He’s a former Glasgow labour man, is he not? I think Uncle Vince would have felt more at ease getting into bed with Harman Miliband & Balls Ltd.

  56. 56
    nell says:

    The Peter Principle was proved beyond everything with Brown , Balls, Aintbustingut and Twatson.

    This current government has some way to go before we can say whether they will be as uncaring, incompetent and egoistic.

    Somehow I doubt they will be able to match this last chaotic labour rew!!!

  57. 57
    Can't remember my moniker says:

    Lord Mandelson is said to be lined up as a potential successor to Tony Hayward as the chief executive of BP!!!! How come?

  58. 58
    Dame Celia Molestrangler says:

    Agreed! Cable looks a bit tired compared to some of the other Lib Dems who are stepping up to the plate. Pity Guido has only just realised this….

  59. 59
    Dame Celia Molestrangler says:

    It’s his natural home and they are short of credible successors to he whose name shall not be spoken.

  60. 60
    Can't remember my moniker says:

    Now 49! Confusing here innit?

  61. 61
    Hang The Bastards says:

    Cable is a clueless deluded twat !

    He cant cope with the transformation from sniping and flip-flopping on the sidelines to the cut & thrust of the front line.

    L O S E R !

  62. 62
    Cun't remember my monglicker says:

    Paradigm is more commonly associated with Paradigm shift to describe a radically altered view of the world as Kuhn does. The word you were grasping for is quintessential epitmoe or archetypal.

    For example, your transparent feeble attempt to shift the subject from your own archetypal poodle like behaviour onto anal irrelevance.
    Truly desperate stuff.

  63. 63
    Dame Celia Molestrangler says:

    Here is a man going from Mr. Bean to Stalin….

  64. 64
    Can't remember my moniker says:

    Laying a Cable maybe? He is probably touching cloth at the moment.

  65. 65
    The Ex PM says:

    Having left office the global meltdown I predicted is starting. Europe is in crisis, the markets collapsing. I left this country’s balance sheet in good order yet already we are massively in debt under this new political alliance. None of this would have happened had I remained in downing street to take the big decisions which need to be made. I soon intend to accept a job with the IMF, and will then be tasked with saving the world, and helping to clean up the financial mess created since I left office. Thank you, and goodnight.

  66. 66
    Mervyn King warned that election victor will be out of power for a generation says:

    Bank of England governor Mervyn King reportedly said austerity cuts will be so severe that general election winner will make itself unelectable

    Mervyn King is warning that the victor in next week’s election will be forced into austerity measures that will keep the party out of power for a generation, according to the US economist David Hale

  67. 67
    Can't remember my moniker says:

    We obviously speak different languages that appear to be superficially similar. I know of no epitmoe.

  68. 68
    Engineer says:

    Well, yes – it is only a fortnight into the new administration, so I suppose some slack is due.

    However, I seem to recall his being given special responsibility for banks, and they are in the news a bit of late. Cable has been a bit quiet when some reassuring noises might be in order, for the City at least.

  69. 69
    Grandma says:

    Ken Clarke’s 2 or 3 years older than Vince and he can ring my bell any time he wants to. Not sure about the wig, but he was wise enough not to walk the walk backwards.

  70. 70
    Mower man says:

    Next receiver in that now ‘Infamous Love-Ring’?

    Who’s next?

  71. 71
    English John says:

    Talking of Labour, shouldn’t uncle Vince revert to his roots and go and work for The Marx Brothers

  72. 72
    Senile Old Codger says:

    How does Clegg’s cock taste Mr poodle ? Like victory ? Or like New Labour mark 2 ? You combine the centre left Liberal Party with Dave’s fluffy Conservatism and you get the same meaningless stew of patitudes and nothing you got with Blair. This coalition stands for nothing but it’s own continued attempt to hold power. Anyone pretending the Liberal Democrats and the Conservatives are natural bedfellows is a deluded fool. This coalition will fall and fall hard sooner or later. And the best part is everyone knows it will but only some are deranged enough to try and deny it won’t.

  73. 73
    Martin Day says:

    The coalition is dead,long live Labour

  74. 74
    Can't remember my moniker says:

    I am thinking of all the drilling, capping, plugging etc. that he might have to direct and wish that I had not started. No shortage of lube though.

  75. 75
    Theresa 'token woman of the cabinet' May says:

    He’s just saying that because he’s a man.

  76. 76
    Engineer says:

    Good luck with the new job, Emily, and thanks for all the fun on Order-Order.

  77. 77
    nell says:

    Can’t resist sorry – very suitable job for the dark slimy one – to take over BP as it tries to get a grip on that black oily mass in Mexico – Very Appropriate!!

  78. 78
    Mower man says:

    after years of hearing the words ‘go back to your constituencies and prepare a light vegetarian supper’ they have been really taken by surprise

  79. 79
    Trouser Partridges says:

    Everyone knows Nick is the ‘bowler’ and Dave is the ‘reciever’.

  80. 80

    First, Vince Cable is to privatise the Royal Mail. How very New Labour.

    And now, Vince Cable is to privatise the motorways. How very New Labour.

    Vote Liberal – not Lib Dem, Liberal – at Thirsk & Malton. That would be a start.

  81. 81
    Cun't remember my monglicker says:

    You just aren’t bright enough to see a trap coming are you ?
    Thanks for proving my point yet again Mr anal irrelevance.

  82. 82
    ? says:

    Does this mean Emily Mateless is now Emily Mated?

  83. 83
    nell says:

    No SaintVince has no wish to be a chancellor or leader of the lostlabour party!

    C’mon would you want to join balls, hattieharpic and the militwits in a party??!!

  84. 84
    We are the progressives now says:

    new politics = new labour 2.0

  85. 85
    Can't remember my moniker says:

    The only thing I know for sure is that I know nothing. If, and when, you get to that point you may even become interesting.

  86. 86
    Anonymous says:

    The Liberals in Thirsk and Malton are cranky diabolical low-life lefties of the worst sort, far far worse than the LibDems.

  87. 87
    Guido puts Cable on a pedestal says:

    This from the same Mr Fawkes who everyone knows ‘supports’ Balls because he is electoral poison, yet doesn’t realise that someone like himself attacking Cable will make his position among Lib Dems all the stronger.

  88. 88
    Can't remember my moniker says:

    @nell. His handsome Brazilian boyfriend won’t be able to help as he speaks Portuguese, when his mouth is not otherwise occupied.

  89. 89
    Carry On Don't Lose Your Head (1967) says:

    You may have a point there. All I would add is the Coalition has to be given the benefit of the doubt – despite the cynics. The assumption has to be it’s genuinely working in the National interest. Cable doesn’t seem to have his heart in it. Others, who should be on-side, are desperate for it to fail so they can go back to their cushy, old hack ways. Cameron and Clegg have six months to peddle like fuck so when the honeymoon is over, the hacks, Milibands, Ballsies and Mandys can’t drag us back into the hell hole we have just escaped from.

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    Maltonian says:

    All the candidates in Thirsk and Malton are lefties, apart from UKIP. The Tory woman is a Eurocrat involved in last years expenses scandal – and a great supporter of Cameron and a strong local bureaucracy.

  91. 91
    schizo nutter says:

    only nell is on message enough to see that all this Cable bashing will make the prophecies come true and his resignation certain
    get on message drones
    Cable is still a Libservative for the moment

  92. 92
    Anonymous says:

    Cable will always be more popular than the two gay guys running the pantomine coalition lol

  93. 93
    Anonymous says:

    Agreed. She`s useless. Most local Tory activists want her de-selected. They tried, and Cameron stepped in to save her.

  94. 94
    Engineer says:

    I’ve heard of planning ahead, but that’s ridiculous. Come back in 2015.

  95. 95
    Belgian Goober Gobbler says:

    Even this foreign twat knows that the Cable attacks will make this a self fulfilling prophecy. A couple of weeks out from the Election and Guido and his Windowlickers start stoking the fires of a split already. Excellent work.

  96. 96
    Grumpy Old Man says:

    Not even if they were buying the beer & pizzas.

  97. 97
    Anonymous says:

    Dpn`t waste yoyr time on the Liberal, David. Conservatives in Thirsk and Malton should vote UKIP – the candidate is Hague`s former constituency chairman.

  98. 98
    The Libservative Coalition is solid as a rock says:

    Well done Guido!
    You have finally got on board and decided to put your oar in and fuel the split a mere two weeks after the election.

  99. 99
    Blair tribute double act says:

    What makes you think the public will soon tire of them ?
    After all, it’s two cheap Blairs for the price of one.
    Who could get bored with that ?

  100. 100
    The Morris Marina a nasty log laid by British Leyland says:

    Cable has been found out to be a fucking mong. Read Iain Dale’s interview with Andrew Neal who was tutored by Cable and doesn’t think much of him and also that Cable has had far to easy a ride off BBC shit stabbers who think St Vince’s arse is pure sex.

    Simple fact is Clegg has risen to meet the challenge of being in power and being responsible for real policies, whilst Cable is just a demented old man who probably smells of piss.

  101. 101
    Cun't remember my monglicker says:

    Could David Cameron’s disdain for his backbenchers and reliance on Liberals lead to Corn Laws Crisis II?

    “What Dave is trying to achieve is obscure; but it has the smell of political death about it. He had already alienated a significant element of his party in the country long before he crossed the threshold of Number 10 – indeed that is why he only managed to stagger across that threshold on the arm of Nick Clegg. An election that the Conservatives should have won easily – after 13 years of Labour nightmare all they had to do was put a candidate on every ballot paper – was unnecessarily lost. That is the reality: Dave may be ensconced in Number 10, but he is a loser, dependent on the most volatile and untrustworthy party at Westminster”

  102. 102
    Anonymous says:

    I`m speechless! The vote will tell all.

  103. 103
    avseer says:

    That is a very possible assumption – or he simply feels the responsibilities are too great and needs to concentrate on one thing at a time. I don’t know the man, but I find it hard to believe he feels slighted at Clegg’s sudden rise to stardom?

  104. 104
    Maggies Drawers says:

    Here’s an idea tat, why not start yer own blog? Your gaff, your rules. Then you can post your schoolboy youtube videos ad nauseum.

    And since nobody will delete them there’ll be no need to throw yer toys out the pram like the little girlie you are.


  105. 105
    a demented old man who probably smells of piss. says:

  106. 106
    Grumpy Old Man says:

    Wrong for 3 reasons,
    1). Tony Blair.
    2) Gordon Brown
    3) The Coalition Backbenchers have got a pair each. Just listen to some of the maiden speeches when you come home from playschool and before your nap.

  107. 107
    Ranting Nat says:

    It is of no surprise that Vince has found doing real work just too much. It’s great to sit on the sidelines and throw in comments and criticisms and be feted by the media without having without actually doing anything or having any real responsibility. Now that has changed and Vince (bless him) has found life at the coal face just a tad too hostile for him to try and do two jobs. (Is the deputy leader of the Lib Dems really a job?) Vince will probably be the first to resign form government as I feel that he could talk the talk but (like most politicians) is found wanting in the real world! Give the guy some credit though if he realises that he’s not up to the job and quits to let a more able person take over then good for him!!

  108. 108
    Maggies Drawers says:

    As in the order of the warrior monks formed to protect the Christian pilgrims visiting the Holy Land from suicide attacks by muslims.

  109. 109
    Maggies Drawers says:

    He would be doing a better job than Hayward. Hayward as an engineer in the situation is out of his depth as CEO.

    If Mandy were in charge of BP, he’d have the Americans apologising by now for not warning them of the drilling hazards.

    It might just be an inspired choice but he won’t take over until the crisis in the Gulf is resolved.

  110. 110
    Anonymous says:

    Loads of lefties posting on here tonight.

    Goodnight then.

  111. 111
    The Court of Public Opinion says:

    What makes this even funnier is that this week when Brillo ribbed him about saying before the election that Osbornes only experience was “the cashier of the bullingdon club” etc, Vince retorted with a laugh that it was all good jolly banter. Ho ho, once he leaves and the alliance falls apart he’ll have to flip flop again and say it wasn’t really banter, he meant it.

    No wonder he’s ditching one job, it’s taking all his energy trying to keep up with who he can and can’t insult at any given point in time.

  112. 112
    Anonymous says:


  113. 113
    Trev says:

    Cable is 67. He has seen the writing on the wall. He sees business secretary as a chance to if not cement but create a reputation.

    is that analysis any different from a (self confessed) drink fuelled rant by our host?

  114. 114
    you stupid cun't says:

    it’s not thick as thieves tat the twat
    you are a moron
    a simpleston

  115. 115
    jo-public says:

    ole vince has thrown the towel in on the job as nicky and cast ‘chocolate’ dave asked him to count out the cuts in his department in pennies and bag them up in 100’s

  116. 116
    senile old codger says:

    Wrong on all 3 points,
    1) “I am the hier to Blair” – David Cameron
    2) Brown hated Blair but also claimed to be a ‘progressive’ just like Dave
    3) Dave tried and failed to cut the balls off the 1922 Committee so happy is he with his backbenchers. Blair hated his backbenchers too.

  117. 117
    I got worms. says:


    Where were you yesterday fatty?

  118. 118
    tit for tat says:

    Fuck off you dopey, irrelevant twonk

  119. 119
    sunnyside farm says:

    Are you sure they just aren’t regular fruitcakes like the crappy video guy with the over complicated, meaningless monikers?

  120. 120
    avseer says:

    I have never understood the idea of left and right, myself I am left handed, does this make me leftie or because I support animal rights, a rightie. The whole idea of philosophical positioning by ideal is frankly a prose for the press. I either do, or don’t agree with one thing or the other. I would never condemn myself to be either or!

  121. 121
    Tat's a tit says:

    fuck off yourself thick as thieves you sad moronic dog spunker

  122. 122
    Can't remember I'm thick as thieves says:

    I am just about to get banned by the arch tory Guido Fawkes.
    Fawkes never gave a damn about the expenses scandal, he only used it as cover to act as a propagandist for the tories.
    now the general election is so close Guido is sweating like a rapist and the reader should expect no impariality from this place from here-on-in.
    Fawkes is a tory fifth columnist.
    end of story.
    still going to be a Labour win Guido and when that happens I will return to gloat.
    you lose, I win.

  123. 123
    Susie says:

    Here’s our Vince in 2003:

    “I agree with Gordon…”

  124. 124
    The Beast of Clerkenwell says:

    Do any of us care?
    He will be gone in 7 months tops and Dave will still be shagging Samantha on the new granite 11 Downing St kitchen work surfaces as McMental wonders just why that lezza sarah keeps hanging American XL tan tights up to dry in his bog now that the game is up
    Its all about fairness

  125. 125
    sunnyside up says:

    an over complicated, meaningless moniker
    you are a twat

  126. 126
    sunnyside farm says:

    Told you, it’s loony tune time

  127. 127
    lolol says:

    hello Dave

  128. 128
    Paranoiac says:

    7 months for the coalition ?
    I give it a bit longer.

  129. 129
    A1 says:

    how hard is it for you to type while you are cupping Dave and Cleggs balls ?

  130. 130
    The Court of Public Opinion says:

    Here’s a different kind of cable positioning problem:

  131. 131
    derek says:

    Catsuits dude.

  132. 132
    Gordon is a darksoul says:

    In my case its all about fairieness

  133. 133
    sunnyside farm says:

    I’m not a Tory, friutloop.

  134. 134
    Susie says:

    David Hale’s a yank. They don’t do austerity over there.

    Brits are used to it and actually better for it. All those wartime make do and mend stories our grandparents passed on to us are about to be put back into action and I’m looking forward to it. Seriously.

    Better that than a country who’s favourite leisure activity just a year ago was “shopping”.

  135. 135
    not now cato says:

    Vince’s strength is his ability to state the fucking obvious and make it sound intelligent. He also used to get good mileage from being in the “other” party, but that option has gone.

    Now he has to walk the walk.

    Can anyone lend the old twat a zimmer frame?

  136. 136
    ida says:

    Fuck, he don’t know if he’s arthur or martha. There’s too much of this going on.

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    Can't remember my moniker says:

    @Monglicker. A welcome ‘paradigm shift’ here – from the ad hominem to the substantive.

    Gerald Warner may be a bit premature in his article. Unfortunately, he rather misses the point that the repeal of the Corn Laws was the correct direction to take and that, even though he had to depend upon the Whigs and the Radicals, he pursued this route to his ultimate detriment. This makes him a great man to me. To have founded the police was also a great achievement.

    A rather illustrious progression ensued including the Earl of Derby, George Hamilton-Gordon, Viscount Palmerston (a social Conservative though later a Liberal), Benjamin Disraeli, Robert Cecil and Arthur Balfour.

    I have not been a fan of David Cameron in the past. Had you had read my previous posts, you would know that. I did vote Conservative for the admittedly negative reason of throwing out a Labour MP – this duly occurred. But I would have voted for almost any other party to achieve the same effect.

    We are now in an unprecedented situation where we have enormous debt (continuing to rise) whilst our wealth making industries have all but disappeared. I have argued that this makes the situation worse than that which we emerged from after World War II.

    Perhaps I have more interest in problem solving than you do? You appear to be obsessed with process. It amuses me that you should call me anal!

  138. 138
    Floozy says:

    Hale didn’t say it, Mervyn King did. Try paying attention.

  139. 139
    funnyfarm tat says:

    fuck off tat

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    Nae Hawkers, nae Tinkers, nae Campbells says:

    St Vince’s stuck clock,right twice every 24 hrs theory comes unstuck.

    He has no place in Government.

    Those that can do, those that can’t teach.

  141. 141
    Susie says:

    No come back in 2030 — I’ll be too old to care.

  142. 142
    Dame Celia Molestrangler says:

    Ludicrous excuse by Wince. Is he going to lead a breakaway group? of one?

  143. 143
    RT says:

    Of course he is. He’s a Labour man through-and-through. There’s no doubt about it. “Saint” Vince would rather be a big fish in a small bowl than a small fish in a big bowl. I think he preferred criticising from the sidelines over actually working for a living (isn’t that why you become a Lib-Dem in the first place?). It’s a much easier gig, isn’t it?

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    Cun't remember my monglicker says:

    Warner was making no case for the wisdom of the Corn laws or historical accomplishments of Peel, so it is you who is missing the point.

    His stance is clearly that of someone making the parallel about the wisdom of tying yourself to an unstrustworthy shaky alliance but without even any central tenet or common goal like the repeal of the Corn Laws.

    Without real purpose process is all there is. Cameron’s only real purpose is for him to stay in power as long as he can. Just like Blair.

    Even Labour would have had to make the deep cuts and tax rises to cut the debt, so there is no contention about policy just blame to squabble over when it’s undoubted unpopularity kicks in.

    You propose no solution but to hope for the best. Some remain more clear eyed and are preparing for the inevitable by remembering that the politics of expediancy are no substitute for Party cohesion in the face of unpopular measures that could cause a huge backlash and split.

    This coalition will not end well. The question is whether it’s collapse will damage the measures necessary and act as a lightning rod for blame.
    The aftermath could split the Conservatives when the pain kicks in and everything starts to fall apart.

    The coalition was not the easy or painless option. Nor is minority Government. But both were all Cameron could manage after he failed to win a majority. That failure is his and his alone.

    So Cameron chose the option which he thought would keep him safest from angry Tory MPs and in power for the longest time after an Election he should have walked. We will all see just how much time that tactic has bought him.

  145. 145
    The other Coalition 'Rebel'. But this one Guido would rather not talk about says:

    End tax war on middle class, says Tory rebel David Davis

    David Davis today puts himself at the head of a full-scale Tory revolt over proposed hikes in capital gains tax.
    The MP, the one-time rival to David Cameron for leadership of the party, warns in today’s Daily Mail that hitting the ‘hard-working, responsible, self-reliant middle and working classes’ would be a betrayal of Tory values.
    The planned capital gains tax increases, drawn up by the Liberal Democrats, have become the ‘most controversial’ part of the coalition agreement for traditional Conservatives, he says.
    A blanket rise would hit millions of middle-income savers and secondhome owners who need to dispose of their assets.
    Mr Davis’s intervention dramatically ups the stakes in the row over the tax amid mounting indications that Chancellor George Osborne is considering a compromise in next month’s Budget.

  146. 146
    Maggies Drawers says:

    ..and there goes the dummy.

    Time for a nappy change, titfer?

  147. 147
    BoyZone says:

    Take your LibDem loved one by the hand and let’s dance the night away. This special moment together we will remember for the rest of our lives . Did i ever tell you your eyes look like like limpid marble pools reflecting the moonlight. Let’s stick each others fingers down our throats and celebrate our love by vomiting on Dave and Vince.

  148. 148
    Anonymous says:

    My moneys on Vince folding first,hes very tribal ,despises any kind of inherited entitlement and Public School Boys.Yes, he looks like hes swallowed a bee but I’d bet its bile and he won’t be able to swallow it for long.He’ll erupt and God knows what effect it will have on the Lib Dems.Trust me I’d like the coalition to work but in reality ,however much I like the Lib Dems,they tend to be idealists and there is no ideal way out of this shithole.I may be wrong and hope I am.

    When the draconian cuts become a reality and the rent-a-mobs are kicking up holy fuck on the the streets,public rage at the depth of the required cuts,Lib Dem activists not willing to support the cuts ,the Public Sector and Unions fuming over job losses,possible benefit freezes or cuts with the added pressure of Labour having a field day at the shit that they fucking well know is coming and their media allies sticking the boot in at every given opportunity.Shit innit.As is always the case when Labour get booted out.

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    Can't remember my moniker says:

    No, I did not miss the point at all. But it is not now known to you, me, Cameron, Clegg, HM the Q, Paddy Power, Guido, the Pope or anyone in the know, or out of it, how long this coalition can last. I might well even agree with you on some of your points but so what? We can say what we like but we cannot substantially affect the situation. Hope has nothing to do with it, re-read what I said, I did not talk about hope – you inserted that yourself, presumably anticipating what you want to believe that I think.

    I said “You appear to be obsessed with process” and that still seems to be true. You are the one who said, “This coalition will not end well.” Perhaps that is your expression of hope? It is my view that the Liberals have not tasted power for so long that they will overcome their perceived objections to the Tories. They will have to deliver something to their voters to convince them though. The greater danger may lie with the Conservative right but even they know the difference between being in power and out of it. It was the Labour Party that was out of office for 18 years, remember.

    Now for something completely different: Are you really the same person that wrote “because it’s full of dronelike Party hacks, twats and poodles like you and because Labour can fuck off since they are shit, also like you”? If not, why have you taken over the argument of a semi-literate? If you are, then why did you debase yourself so before? Who benefits?

    You are talking, at least some of the time now, as if you are interested in the argument. I can accept that even if you do not have the same point of view as I do. I have a number of good friends who still support the Labour party. I respect their views and that is reciprocated, even though we disagree politically. What is wrong with that?

    If you do not support Labour (and I suspect you do), then who do you support?

  150. 150
    r.soles says:

    what was the f*cking point of that video .Have I missed something? or am I too old?

  151. 151

    Eeyup, moniker – have you a secret admirer in the trollish classes?

    Peel was one of the greats of British politics – but then again he could have afforded to happily piss off back into obscurity if the world deserted him, unlike the majority of politicos from whichever party nowadays.

    I’m afraid we’ll never even get back to the calibre of Eden or MacMillan again – the lot we have now are all self serving pole climbing wankers. Even Graham Brady, the great daft hope of the Tory right, has never done a proper job – university to PR to party hack in one swift movement, and no experience of real life to show for it.

    Sometimes I despair – the rest of the time I wish that despair was possible.

  152. 152

    Thought Browning wrote ‘nobly’, not ‘slowly’, but mind you, Vince the ex-Labourite is anything but noble, so you’re excused…

  153. 153
    Jonah's a cunt says:

    Body parts belonging to three women have been found.

    I knew it would only be a matter of time before woman-hating McDoom would graduate from throwing Nokias to something more brutal.

  154. 154


    It will hit stupid twats who think that getting excessive income from property booms is justified when the rest of us are taking the pain – it’s time they woke up and realised that the property price rise was just a sink for the excessive credit that has fucked our economy, and that they have less right to benefit from their unearned income than people who have actually created wealth and employment.

    Davis is merely pandering to the thick fucks who take the Daily Mail as gospel – which was Liebour’s failing for so many years. Don’t let him perpetuate this folly any more – he is a bright man, but dim as a Toc H lamp when it comes to economics.

  155. 155
    Anonymous says:

    Couldn’t agree more, im in business making wealth by working not sitting back watching the property market. Fuck 2nd homeowners, they just congratulate each other on being clever whilst actually doing fuck all, pay a fair wedge for it and shut the fuck up.

  156. 156
    A not so ancient mariner says:

    Grimes, these days 67 is not “really old” as one day you may live to discover.

    I was just 19 when the Beatles first released “When I’m 64″ and from there 64 was too far in the future to contemplate as anything meaningful, but as you will find, life whizzes by in a trice and suddenly tomorrow is your 64th birthday.

    Thanks to the lunacy of the past 13 years, it is now very likely that your retirement age will be raised to 70 – so the country will really be up the creek if it has to rely on extremely frail and really old folk like you to keep the streets clean, rubbish collected and dead buried etc etc.

  157. 157
    Mitch says:

    Cable is just pissed that he got found out as a fraud and ,to be fair isn’t really very good.

  158. 158
    Maggies Drawers Sniffer says:

    bit rich coming from a puerile little shiteater like you isn’t it
    anything else you have to whine about pussy ?

  159. 159
    A not so ancient mariner says:

    Mr Grimes at No 8 above would seem to consider you to be a quintessential aged expression of bowel gases.

  160. 160
    ron Vibentrop says:

    Vince resigns to enter the race to become the new Labour leader. They’ve got Balls, the two half pricks and now a serious c**t.

  161. 161
    Anonymous says:

    Grandpa Vince is out of his league. Paxo had him squirming the other night after the first question.

    Silly old fart.

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    Cun't remember my monglicker says:

    Mere posturing as I suspected.
    No amount of pomposity or delusions of grandeur can hide the many contradictions and hypocrisy you indulge in.
    I hope for nothing and I’m not the one trying to put a polyanna spin on the coalition. It is what it is and your inability to view it clearly is your problem.

    I’m afraid you deserve no more substantive answers if you are incapable of understanding why your first post and your last are so hilarious.
    You merely keep parroting the questions asked of you back without addressing them yourself or grasping that they have been answered.

    But please, continue you’re stalking/trolling as usual. It’s most amusing.

  163. 163
    Loony Lefty Libcons says:

    Is there anything funnier than watching the Libcon lefties getting stroppy with David Davis and the Daily Mail for attacking a tax rise ? No. There is not.

  164. 164
    Mr Plum says:

    As usual the lefty control freaks are closing down the opportunities for ordinary people to better themselves, make their own provisions for old age and determine their futures.
    They Libs still have the old controlling dogma of labour we can take and spend you money better than you can, everyone has to know their place and stay in their little box attitude.

  165. 165
    nell says:

    I see David Davis is trying to position himself as the champion of the middle and working classes no doubt with a sharp eye on the possibility of a future leadership challenge.

    I never did like David Davis and he certainly isn’t leadership material, just another overblown ego.

  166. 166
    Can't remember my moniker says:

    OK Thick as Thieves! Reversion to ad hominem, It is you and I claim my £5. Paradigm reverse shift, to coin a phrase. I accept you have one tenth of a brain. But either you cannot keep it up or you are tired.

    Unlike you, I do not have a problem. I have put myself in a position where I don’t have to give a monkey’s about where the NeueArbeit Macht Frei have put the residents of the UK because I am no longer one of them. (I stil love my country though, unlike you.) I left in the time of Blair ffs! No one then could possibly imagine how much Brown would drag us down further – but he did to the extent that, even if you reach your own centenary in eighty years of so, you will be unlikely to see them in office again. Get used to it.

    “… you deserve no more substantive answers …”: I didn’t ask for any chum! If I were asking, I wouldn’t be asking someone as delusional as you. George Washington could not tell a lie. Tony Blair could not tell the truth. You cannot tell the fucking difference…..

  167. 167
    The Court of Public Opinion says:

  168. 168
    Can't remember my moniker says:

    @ Paragnostic. Eeyup lad! Yes, these star-struck young scribblers can get a bit pesky can’t they?

    I had 17 years experience before I became a director of a financial institution. The experience tested me to the extreme but I ran the most profitable one in terms of ROC to that date, or since. I would not recommend that anyone tries to do it in a shorter time. I was only 33, not having had the benefit of going to university.

    Now, with everyone graduating, the absolute minimum age would be more like 36. I shudder when I see candidates in their 20s running for parliament. What life/work experience can they possibly have? It is only theory that they know.

    My dear old dad had a line he used to tell about someone who was asked whether he could play virtuoso violin. He responded, “I don’t know, I have never tried.”

  169. 169
    The Court of Public Opinion says:

    Not unheard of, one such was formed here: but after a while they sacked the one that, err, formed it.

  170. 170
    Joseph Stalin says:

    Excessive income? Hmm, comrade, tovarich, we have a lot in common. Of course, the market was not distorted in any way by government policy, deliberate low interest rates and lax lending criterea at all, was it? Just a thought comrade.

  171. 171
    Heir to Blair says:

    Unlike Cameron of course, who is a genuine Tory with the countries best interests at heart and not a millionaire PR hack, with no scruples at all. Wake up nell, your hero has feet of clay and an eye for the big opportunity. Nothing else.

  172. 172
    Heir to Blair says:

    Excessive income? Define comrade.

  173. 173
    Cun't remember my monglicker says:

    You started the ad hominem and you continue it as dumb and oblivious as you are to all your hilarious hypocrisy.

    And yes, you are wrong yet again. I’m not thick as thieves . But it is a measure of your feeble intellect that you first resort to the usual desperate kneejerk incorrect ad hominem that I am a Labour supporter squawked by so many low watt bulbs on here. You then continue it by falsely accusing me of being the twatty kid thick as thieves. Because you simply don’t have the brainpower to do anything other than the utterly predictable and factually incorrect. Posturing is no substitute for substance as your first and subsequent empty posts prove.

    I suggest you worry about your own countries problems instead of the transparent pretence of caring about ours. A country you were happy to run away from like all tourists talking rubbish about things they cannot understand and which do not concern them.

  174. 174
    Loony Lefty Libcons says:

    Davis has priniciples. The Blairite Libcons can’t stand them.

  175. 175
    Peter Grimes says:

    62 and newly retired, me, and with enough in my pension fund to do it.

    How are you left?

  176. 176
    Granny smith says:

    David Laws, Impressive.

  177. 177
    Granny smith says:

    Business Questions Thursday 10.30.

  178. 178
    stilyagi_air_cock says:

    I’ll do you for libel sunshine! I’m a big boy and hard as shite!! Are you scared yet?

  179. 179
    Granny smith says:

    Davis, reminds me of Gordon Brown.

  180. 180
    Loony Lefty Libcons says:

    because you’re a Blairite

  181. 181
    PM says:

    Begone, Vince, you miserable old c**t.

  182. 182
    Cassandrina says:

    Quite right.
    Also his age is showing his lack of stamina as he never attempted to train for office, relying on sniping from the rear and acting out as an oracle on bbc.
    I don’t believe he will resign unless his health gives out, as he is an old man in a hurry, but is now forced to question his reasoning and abilities to be a success in this.
    So he resigns the deputy leadership to conserve his frail abilities to do the government job, especially as the early pace of the new government is sapping his morale and strength.

  183. 183
    Budgie says:

    Of course you must be right. After all the “national interest” coinciding with Cameron and Clegg being PM and Deputy PM is just that – a coincidence. Isn’t it?

  184. 184
    John McEnroe says:

    You cannot be serious, man! You cannot be serious! UKIP candidates are all white-haired, incontinent old farts and grannies who mime ‘thank you’ at the TV camera when the returning officer announces their 63 votes!

  185. 185
    I am 59 says:

    If they raise the retirement age to 70 this will make it that much more difficult for young people to get a job. Better to pay old gits to go.

  186. 186

    Errr… that was my point – that it was the destructive and demonic policies of Neues Arbeit that made such excess possible, and now that the policies have to be reversed, it is only fair that those who contributed to that excess should pay their share.

    I’m far, far from a leftie, I ca nassure you.

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    Brown is a Waste of Skin (but this is out of date now) says:

    Cable just wanted to be in opposition like usual on a nice, cushy, secure salary to the end of his days. No decisions, no responsibility, just a bit of fence-sitting waffle now and again for appearance’s sake.

    Now he’s thrust centre stage with a real job and real decisions to make and his plans for a quiet and simple life are well and truly buggered. And there’s no easy exit route. No wonder the old git looks so unhappy. He must be wondering how the hell he got in this mess. It really is the funniest thing…

  188. 188
    Duncan says:

    He’s now freer to resign if he chooses to do so. This means he can use the threat to do so as leverage in discussions with Osbourne.

    Expect him to spit the dummy if the Tory backbenchers prevent capital gains reform though. We’re big on the idea that you should pay income tax on… you know… you’re income.

  189. 189
    Can't remember my moniker says:

    You talk about my “first and subsequent empty posts”. Why then have you replied to them if you are, by comparison so overwhelmed by your own brainpower?

    “Posturing is no substitute for substance.” Quite agree with you, not for the first time either. What substance are you on?

  190. 190
    Karl Marx says:

    You sound like a lefty to me matey boy.

  191. 191
    Cun't remember my monglicker says:

    “You merely keep parroting the questions asked of you back without addressing them yourself or grasping that they have been answered.”

    Thanks for proving me right yet again.
    Not very good at this are you Mr tourist ?

  192. 192
    Can't remember my moniker says:

    I have told you who I voted for. You have failed to do likewise. Embarrassed by being on the losing side, perhaps? Where is your friend Mandelson now? Slung his hook quickly enough, didn’t he? He knows when he is flogging a dead horse, probably in more senses than one.

    You remind me of the Japanese soldier who was discovered on Guam 30 years after war had ended and who refused to believe that the war had been lost. They had to get his 90 year old battalion commander to fly out and tell him the war was over. I cannot see Blair or Brown being so considerate as to put you out of your misery. They could not give a monkey’s about you.

    We can let others be the judge of your parroting. I suggest you will not find many supporting your view here (you know this anyway) which is why I politely suggested you try LabourList, which is where you came in.

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    Cun't remember my monglicker says:

    “But it is a measure of your feeble intellect that you first resort to the usual desperate kneejerk incorrect ad hominem that I am a Labour supporter squawked by so many low watt bulbs on here.”

    Thanks for proving me right yet again.
    Not very good at this are you Mr tourist ?

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    Can't remember my moniker says:


  195. 195
    Peter Mong says:

    I’m 61 and recently retired!!! Take that!!

  196. 196

    […] See also Cable’s Positioning […]

  197. 197
    Gary Seven says:

    Vince Cable said that Gordon Brown transformed into Mr Bean, at least he didn’t transform into the Lord Haw Haw of the Tory Party!

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