Tweet Predicting Election Test Confirms GIGO Principle
Guido has long criticised the predictive methodology of Tweetminster – they take the number of tweets and based on the positive or negative sentiment of the tweets, predict the related outcome. When they predicted Labour would be the biggest party before the election Guido offered them a bet, they didn’t take him up on his offer.
Tweetminster predicted Esther Rantzen would win Luton South based on positive tweets for the fading celeb – the prediction garnered them a few headlines from gullible hacks. Despite masses of media coverage Esther polled a mere 1,872 votes and lost her deposit. Let us hear no more of the predictive ability of Twitter, it is snake-oil.
There is a long established mantra coined by George Fuechsel, an IBM engineer back in the days of mainframes, which was soon contracted to the acronym “GIGO” and can be applied here – Garbage In, Garbage Out.
Britain just wants the Garbage out of No10.
The Scottish Squatter and his Beard and the Turkey Baster(s)
Gordon in, Gordon out.
I think the problem with this sort of poll is that it’s based on tribal followers and Labour do have a lot on here. That is always going to skew the data.
Labour even have a Tsar for it – ffs, you could not make it up. lol.
Here is something better than a tweet:
|”Brown, droop-lidded, sly, mendacious hypocrite …
It is a parable for our time — a curtain drawn back on an almost perfect exemplar of the political mind. In public, play the snivelling sycophant to ordinary people; in private, bathe in contempt for their ideas and lived experience.”
http://tinyurl.com/28eber4
Yeah, he’s a cun’t.
Finally figured that out have you?
Morning TaT, you don’t normally get up until way later on a Sunday. Run out of crack?
Fuck off thick as thivees you twatty TaT moron
your constant obsession with crack gives you away
How did Esther do you stupid cun’t ?
Where’s the blog ?
Morning my friend!
Number of months after Harold Wilson formed a minority Government he had to wait till he could have another Election = 8
Number of seats of a majority he got in that second Election = 3
Number of months Cameron plans to wait before having an October Election with all the campaigning starting well before that = 6
Number of people called Gordon Brown who will be Leader of Labour at that time = 0
Can we change that last value to -1, at most.
How do they get rid of him? There is NO means to unseat him. What is more important to the Labour leadersh..sorry, Mandlescum – a united party at another election in the autumn or an internal civil war?
These f**kers have NEVER made the difficult decision. It’s all spin and sh**. They don’t have the balls to dethrone him.
Same way they got rid of Blair
Except this time they will have a leadership contest.
Brown’s fucking history. Only an idiot thinks he won’t be gone soon.
Yes and there is one in Downing Street (when he gets back at our expense.)
100 or more = the number of seats the Conservatives and Lib Dems will win in 6 months time as a result of the Conservatives ensuring that the electoral boundaries are changed to equal sized constituencies.
100 or more = the seats Labour will lose as a result of their corrupt realignment of the electoral boundaries being justly and democratically revised .
Even a minority Conservative government could do this.
Labour didn’t get rid of Blair. Blair got rid of the Labour party.
Garbage In – Anyone who thinks the Lib Dems don’t want a referendum on PR
Garbage Out – Any prospect of a deal with Cameron
GIGO better describes the electoral register. Try Why election officials are a law unto themselves by Heather Brooke on this page:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/election/article-1275445/Election-2010-Is-wonder-vote-shambles.html
With a maximum sanction of £5000, the bar to total contamination of the electoral register is preposterously cheap. The question is less Who could contaminate the electoral register? but Who couldn’t?
GIGO is so 1980s.
The modern term is GIEO that is Garbage In Exception Out
Dream on, sonny boy. Look at the Maths, then look at the Sundays. The LibDem executive and Parliamentary party have already given Cleggy the authority to negotiate with Cammy. The LibDem’s own belief in PR means that an alliance, even at arm’s length, with the Conservatives is practically Zugswang. An agreement with Gordon would be political suicide, both for Clegg and his party.
Clegg is right now living the old saying that, “Politics is the art of the possible”
Please! Nobody and I mean NOBODY is stupid enough to think Clegg will do a deal with Brown. He has to go as part of any prospective Labour deal if Cameron can’t make his stick.
And you’re the one dreaming if you think the Lib Dems will be fooled or satisfied with any horseshit about forming a committee to look at electoral reform.
Dave could hardly have been more blatantly obvious that’s a stall and a big fat “fuck off” to PR.
Clegg has to get far more than that as his abiliity to negotiate still has clear red lines just as much as Dave does.
Gigo says:
“Garbage Out – Any prospect of a deal with Cameron”
Green Cyanide your political suicide vehicle of choice, GIGO?
A majority of supporters of all parties think Scottish MPs should be banned from voting on English-only matters:
50% Labour (41% against)
65% Conservative (30%)
57% Lib Dem (34%)
Clegg and the Lib Dems will not commit political suicide by forming a coalition, or other alliance, with Brown or Labour. Why? Because such a pact could be sustained solely via the grossly unjust and undemocratic device of disenfranchising the people of England.
It would be political suicide for the Lib Dems to allow themselves to be used as the corrupt enablers of corrupt Brown’s attempt to buy off the support of
c 8 million Scots and Welsh nationalists while grinding the noses and right to justice of 50+ million in England into the dust.
“We have a full programme for government in our manifesto [which includes] A full clean up of Westminster” Nick Clegg
The Lib Dems’ “full clean up of Westminster” would be no more than the same old lies and spin if it does not include a full clean up of Brown’s scandalously corrupt ‘two votes’ device used to buy off nationalist votes.
Lib Dems cannot support – and at least 57% of Lib Dems are opposed to supporting – the right of Scots and other nationalists to vote for measures in their own parliaments which they vote against for the people of England. If the Lib Dems get into bed with Labour by disenfranchsuing the people of England, they tar themselves with the brush of Brown’s corruption.
Lib Dems cannot allow the Scots and other nationalists the right to vote on solely English matters without committing political suicide in England.
This issue alone would destroy the Lib Dems in England.
Bring out the gimp!
Lord Ashcroft, who put £5m into marginal seats, is said to be furious with Cameron for doing TV debates and a lack of support over the ‘non-dom’ status row
Lord Ashcroft is said to be furious at David Cameron over the general election campaign decision to do television debates.
David Cameron was facing a growing backlash from his own MPs and party grandees today over the conduct of an election campaign that left him short of an overall majority and trying to make a deal with the Lib Dems.
The Observer can reveal that Lord Ashcroft, who pumped £5m into marginal seats, is furious with the Tory leader for having agreed to take part in television debates that he believes undid much of his work for the party.
Friends of Ashcroft also say the peer is angry because he believes Cameron failed to stand up for him properly in the row over his “non-dom” tax status, which harmed the Tories in the run-up to the election.
Today, one senior frontbencher rounded on the Conservative leader, demanding that he sack key figures involved in the campaign, including the man who ran it, George Osborne, the shadow chancellor. The frontbencher said: “He ran his campaign from the back of his Jaguar with a smug, smarmy little clique – people like Osborne, [Oliver] Letwin and Michael Gove. He should get rid of all of them. The party will settle for nothing less.”
http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2010/may/08/david-cameron-faces-tory-anger
If that is true, (it is the Observer after all), Ashcroft would be right. The tories should have slaughtered Lord Paul in response to any question of Lord Ashcroft.
Guido gave them all the ammunition they needed. I could not understand why the tories were so quiet whenever Ashcroft’s name came up.
I know that whenever anyone I was speaking to brought up Ashcroft and I told them to compare and contrast the good things Ashcroft has done, compared to the troughing and pension theft of Lord Paul, they ALL changed their tune.
FFS, the tories did a very good impression of a party trying to throw an election.
Pity Dave won’t have his money that he needed for a snap election.
You forgot to include Steve Hilton in that smarmy little clique.
This mess should have been sorted before lunch today. The markets open in Asia soon and the result could once again be a disaster for the economy. Also what deals are being stitched up by Darling with Europe whilst this carries on? Clegg should either agree to a deal now or go back to obscurity.
As for Brown even with Lib Dem support he does not have a majority & will be defeated at the first sitting in the House of Commons, his arithmetic is letting him down as usual. Will no one in the defeated and disgraced Labour party tell him the truth? HE IS FINISHED.
And the rocking horse.
Is it me or is Billy Bragg a complete fucktard (I know that’s a rhetorical question). The loon was on the BBC this morning banging on about proportional representation and fair votes. He complained about how the present system isn’t working and has allowed the B N P to get a foothold in dagenham – Even when it was pointed out to him that the sytem we’ve got meant that the B N P ended up with nothing and that under PR they would get 30 odd seats.
What these people advocating PR don’t seem to realise is that it would make things less democratic – and make MPs even less acountable to the electorate. Say that the LDs got 23% of the vote and therefore 23% of the seats, 150 odd seats – who would fill these seats? the people have no say over what MPs get selected. We have proportional representaion already – just in 652 seperate stages.
I think the boundaries do need changing to even things up though
So was it ‘Take Back Parliament’ (Bragg/Straw Jnr) or 38 Degrees which organised the flash mob swamping of polling booths by lefty students last thursday? I.e. the same people squealing the next day about voters being disenfranchised. I hope some intrepid investigator dons a toxic suit and does some actual investigating.
Hmm, the staff photos at 38 Degrees resemble a Harry Potter lookalike contest on ‘special needs’ night at a commune-ity centre!
Agreed, this story is well worth further investigation.
Also the Mail story about Jenny Watson is a humdinger – how on earth could Blair put someone so partisan into such a position? It beggars belief, unless the intention was to sorrupt the system still furhter in Labour’s favour. She has betrayed democracy and must be sacked as a matter of priority – and responsibility given back to town halls, or someone genuinely non-partisan put in charge of cleaning up the whole electoral roll
Yes he is and please don’t send him back to Dorset.
It’d work, if only 95% of Twitter users weren’t children and the politically illiterate. I saw one tweet at about midnight in Thursday claiming that the Tories were finished as it was ’3 nil to Labour. Just look at the score in the corner!’ Morons.
I think the 3 might have been education, education and the other thing.
Twitter is for the ignorant, the illiterate and those with delusions of grandeur to ‘have their say’ in the sad belief that the rest of the world hangs on their every word. It’s pathetic.
Makes some pub conversations sound excellent! (Mine’s a Guinness.)
Exactly – older people always vote, and they don’t do twitter. It’s like thinking that the people who post on this blog are representative of the electorate as a whole – we are not!
What’s the constitutional position if Brown refuses to resign as Prime Minister ? Can the Queen ignore him and send for someone else ?
Send him to the Tower
Not sure, but sure as hell it will be embarrassing for the Labour Party. Which is nice!
Are you really that stupid ?
The Queen never gets involved in partisan politics
Here, educate yourself..
The Queen will not involve itself in anything that could be construed as being partisan, and does not personally involve herself in negotiations – though the Palace will closely follow the progress of negotiations.
Should the Prime Minister resign, the Queen will invite the person most capable of commanding a majority in the Commons (or at least, getting a Queen’s Speech and budget past the House). That will normally be the leader of the largest party, but it doesn’t have to be.
Should a Prime Minister lose a vote of confidence, or something regarded as a vote of confidence like the vote on the Queens Speech, they must resign or request a dissolution. A dissolution remains the personal power of the monarch, and she may refuse if the Parliament has only just been elected and there is a chance of an alternative government
I think you’ve just bitten the worm…but the problem is that a lot of the electorate can’t understand why Brown hasn’t already resigned and that is the problem for Labour.They think Cameron has won and he should be PM ……In fairness he has to remain in situ until a government is formed or he can form one
WTF has fairness got to do with it?
Nobody thinks Cameron has won.
What the fuck have you been smoking ?
The public thinks it’s a Hung Parliament because that was the Election result. It’s been on every News Channel and every Newspaper for the past 3 days, so they know exactly what happened.
It is a Hung Parliament.
The clue is in the fucking name idiot.
If Cameron won he wouldn’t have his head up Cleggs arse right now.
Brown clearly lost but Dave didn’t win.
That’s first past the post.
While you are correct the public don’t expect that the race to be first past the post actually ended about a furlough in front of it.
The public are still pretty sure that the horse that was in front by 8 lengths should be the winner and are slightly surprised that the fat horse has been declared the winner pending a steward’s inquiry.
They also a little mystified that the favourite actually went backwards.
FPTP but with more gerrymandered boundaries than in the whole history of elections since the Great Reform Acts.
Actually, the gerrymandered boundaries were worst in 1997, then in 1995 they became slightly more fair and labour lost a few seats in that change. The boundaries changed again more recently making them slightly more fair this time, but they are still massively biased in labour’s favour. The thing is, nobody really noticed because the party with the most votes won those elections.
I knew that under these boundaries it would be possible for the tories to win millions more votes and the labour party to retain power, despite losing the votes.
The tories won the votes, but not a majority because of the fucked up boundaries.
The tories won more votes and a bigger share of the vote than labour in 1995. They had a much bigger winning margin than labour in 1995 but labour had a 66 seat majority in 1995. It is not first past the post that is wrong, it is the boundaries.
I liken it to a car that pulls to the left. Fine so long as you want to continually turn left, but if you want a car that goes straight, you fix the tracking, you do not get rid of the car and replace it with something that resembles half a car and half a tractor.
In the past people did not mind that the FPTP system was biased, or that is exaggerated the winning margin of the winning party, because the party with the most votes won power.
This time the biased boundaries actually shrunk the winning margin of the winning party leading to the current undemocratic mess with a fresh manifesto being made up on the hoof, in secret behind closed doors to produce a package of policies that will not have been voted on by ANYBODY!
This is what proportional representation would produce at EVERY election. In theory PR is more democratic. In practice it is the least democratic as it gives the most power to the least popular parties to create a manifesto AFTER the election that NOBODY gets to vote on.
in practice, PR produces a dictatorship.
Excellent analysis, Mr Ned. The trouble is that the easy option always beckons. What is it – Tweets have to be no longer than 140 characters? Apart from the utterly banal, the only meaningful sentiment that resonates in such a small space is, “GET THE FUCK OUT, GORDON BROWN!” (31)
The Queen will not involve itself
Itself? Itself?? One is not an ‘it’.
Orf with your head, you horrid little oik.
Brown has been an embarrassment for so long the Labour Parteh have become immune.
On a more important note concerning inequalities in modern Britain, ponder this think Derek Draper
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-1275080/Kate-Garraway-ex-brought-boss.html
Oh. Not that picture again. It keeps moving – or is it me?
she likes ugly fuckers, doesn’t she?
At least that gives me a chance!
I now remember where I parked my bike
Hey Butt Plug! Are you going to consider changing your moniker when the SAS take McBroon out? Surely you won’t want to remind us of the misery that we have suffered under this retard and the rectal discomfort of a too ambitious girth of toy thrust upon us….
One thing that would preclude a Member parliamentary duty would be a section under the Mental Health Act.
He would meet the diagnostic criteria for therapy under ZanuLab’s “Dangerous People with Severe Personality Disorder” scheme.
The Queen would be able to invite DC over without there being any constitutional issue.
A nice long visit to Carstairs Hospital would also keep McRuin firmly North of the border.
A plan with no drawbacks…
The monarch DOES have the power to sack a prime minister in this circumstance. However our current monarch, The Queen, has made it clear through the palace spokespersons that she has no desire to delve into politics at all and that she has in place protocols that ensure that she is seen to be as non-political as possible. This is her choice.
Gordon has a constitutional right to remain. That doesn’t make it right to the rest of us.
Resign now, and take the letter to the Queen.
Taxi for Brown.
Straitjacket,stretcher and ambulance for Brown.
Gordon’s shut down Scottish air space so he can avoid visiting the queen.
He can resign by phone,text or e mail and then fuck off ! Sorry Lillibet but the man IS insufferable…..kicked a bloody corgi across the drawing room last time he came just because he’d had a run in with a pensioner…no dear of course NOT you
Best line on Andrew Marr show this morning from Rory Bremnar – Scottish airspace has been shut due to Gordon Brown erupting.
I wonder where NuLabour’s “Rent a Mob” will appear today?
Billy Bragg, what an arse, ” We need PR because 6000 voted BNP in Barking”?
It’s funny how they are desperate to impose their tiny minority view on the majority and they still think they are supporting democracy, isn’t it?
PR is NOT an issue that most people want. It was NOT an issue raised on doorsteps at all.
The media are giving this much more prominence than it deserves. Look at the protests in London Yesterday. There was a few hundred people protesting.
There are protests much bigger than that that get completely ignored by the media every week. There was well over a million people protest in 2003 against the impending invasion of Iraq and even then the labour government ignored them on the grounds that it was a “vocal, but tiny minority of the whole population.” Now we are supposed to believe that a couple of hundred people are representative?
What is particularly laughable is how labour, having spent 13 years of using FPTP to impose their will on the people and treat the electorate with total and complete contempt (including ignoring 1.3 MILLION protesters) and now that they are fucked and defeated they are, all of a sudden, pleading that they are listening and that they will give us what we want. BULLSHIT! Labour, YOU LOST, FUCK OFF!!!
The International elite want us to have PR as it allows THEIR political puppets to create a manifesto AFTER an election behind closed doors without any democratic mandate whatsoever as the manifesto will not have been voted on by ANYONE.
I wish now I’d swiped the b……d when I had the chance. He shops in Somerfields/Co op so beware.
No taxi, he’s cost us enough already. Make him fucking walk!
It would also be greener. We know how much he cares for green issues. That’s why he caught a flight to Fife when he needed a couple of days R&R.
He would have had to meet “real” people if he took the train…no Labour Party stooges on the station platforms this time around
“Hitting the buffers” takes on a whole new mental image…
Constitutional and Administrative Law – 7th edition (Smith and Brazier) pages 174-175 – says not.
The whole government should have resigned on Friday.
Can anyone can confirm this in other references?
I cannot go just yet. Your Leader has to attend the celebrations in RED SQUARE!
Comrades, do not worry. I am not about to defect to Moscow.
Beijing has already made a much better offer!
Long live the… er …
Moscow No, Beijing No, Nice little directorship of Santander for services rendered Yes
Job testing phones with Nokia.
Mr Kallasvuo! Mr Kallasvuo! Ah found a great big room full o’ millions o’ pounds worth of circuitry for phones, so ah sold it all on ebay fa £2.19! Two pahnds nineteen, Mr Kallasvuo! Ah told ye ah’d make us rich, dinna ah?
Brown is the most despised man in the UK. He was the “garbage” in and should now be out.
Lets just storm the place and Tar and feather the turd burgling freak.
The shiterati on Marr seem to think Glegg won
God its awful on Andrew Marr at the moment! So many lefties, and that labour bint is just a typical labour mouthpiece drone
Thank heavens I can’t see it any more from here. I dismantled my temporary 2,000 metre mast last night before I got any complaints from the locals.
Why are you watching Marr? Go back to sleep for another 1/2 hour.
Yeah that awful leftie Gove hogging the prog for the last 10+ minutes getting an easy ride from Marr.
Word to the Wise. Gove will be scapegoat number 1 for the Campaign closely followed by Coulson.
Only “lefties” will break cover although Matthew Parris represented a half rightie view…all serious right wingers are keeping their heads down until Camo “seals the deal” or not. If not then expect the 3/12 First Tunbridge Wells Militia to be out in force with their Honorary Colonel Chief “Mad Dog” Tebbitt and hitting the airwaves in a “shock and awe” assault on the Conservative Light Cameroons
yup, and labour are depending on it!
Isnt it amazing how these ghastly lefties have suddenly adopted the idea that they are the real winners because their combined total of votes beats the Conservative vote.
Will the English tolerate a rainbow coalition where the Scots, Northern Irish and Welsh vote through legislation that only affects the English? This is a recipe for civil unrest.
If you got rid of scotland then the Conservatives would have decisively won anyway
NO Brown in a rainbow..
This Rainbow goes Brown and Red and Yellow and Orange – Gold and Gold and Green.. we can make a rainbow, make rainbow..make a rainbow last.
For about an hour.
Spot on Geordie Girl. This is a real possibility. But it may not be fought with pitch forks and guns. It’ll be fought with a flight of capital out of the UK – a massive flight of capital.
The resultant economic morass would be catastophic. Rising interest rates, a housing market that would be demolished, a bankrupt banking sector (it already is, by the way), sterling at parity with the dollar and inflation going through the roof.
And the one’s come out worst in all this? The poor – those ones that politicians want to be ‘fair’ to!
Well said Geordie hinny – even the Labour-voting Geordies would not tolerate a Celtic hegemony – we’ve had enough of troughing Scots imposing policies on us English they could not stomach themselves. I say political reform must mean an English Parliament – and get the Tories to drop their masochistic “Unionist” dogma. Scotland is a write-off for the Tories; Northern Ireland leaves a bad taste in the mouth that should be spat out, and the Taffs are largely irrelevant.
And they ignore the FACT that 2 MILLION + more people voted against labour than voted against the tories.
Garbage In, Garbage Out. As proved by SarahBrown10 Tweets
Or her children!!
Word reaches me that a big lefite coalition under David Milliband promising STV is becoming more and more likely.
Shame on all of you who didn’t vote Tory. You failed to get rid of Brown and co.
Shoudn’t that include most of the Scots who voted for Brown,Cameron should have made sure his cast iron was in good order,remember the Tay bridge and the Chester Dee railway bridges collapsed because of the cast iron.
An English parliament and a referrendum on Scottish independence should swiftly become Tory policy and be in the next manifesto.
There is no chance of the Tories winning many seats in Scotland for 20 years or more.
On any electoral reform bill there must be the removal of Scottish and Welsh MPs to vote on solely English matters or for the English to hae their own Parliament…on that basis PR wouldn’t be a problem
WAKE UP THICKOS IT WILL NEVER HAPPEN!
THE TORIES ARE THE TRADITIONAL PARTY OF THE UNION REPEAT;
THE UNION
You need to vote for a nationalist party.
Time to reheat all that ‘pooled sovereignty makes each member stronger, not weaker’ bullscheiʃe that works so well in relation to the Europeans.
Tweet, tweet!, Went with hubby to cast our vote at the polling station, seemed to be a lot of angry people milling about for some reason but was heartened by the turnout, so big they were queueing up right down the road, nice to see democracy in action.
Sarah XX (spoilt ballot paper).
Fill up on petrol now, fill up your fridge, stock up your larder, get your money out of sterling.
Chaos on the markets and a run on the pound is coming if Gordon remains PM for much longer.
Listening to any self-selecting group will inevitably lead to G.O. If you went to a teachers’ conference you’d think that Marxism was the driving force behind the world today, and that Margaret Thatcher was A H*tler’s lovechild. Likewise hanging around Brighton Pavilion would bring one to the inescapable conclusion that the welfare state was the only source of income for 80% of the populace, Jeremy Kyle was a visionary world leader, and clothing was always made of satin finish polyester and closed with zips not buttons.
I wouldn’t hang about Brighton Pavilion too long. You might find something being pressed against you. Probably pierced.
It’s the Royal Pavilion.
And if you think that part of Brighton’s bad, you obviously ain’t seen Whitehawk.
Or Moulsecoomb
I was at some sort of trendy eaterie a couple of years ago not by choice) behind the Royal Pavilion: not only was I the only hetero there, but also in the tiny minority of diners not spending the Government shilling on tofu and wild organic rice smoothies.
Oh what joy it has been since Friday
to turn on the TV and Not have the Scotch Gobby bastard telling us all what we want and how he can deliver it !
Bliss !
And where are all those finger wagging ministers, telling us the error of our ways. For some years now, I have been joking that a parliamentary moritorium whould be nice. Now we are getting one, perhaps we should enjoy it whilst it lasts!
mornin ar-moniker there was a piece yesterday where Mangledbum was telling the world that all the voters who were locked out were infact labour voters !
ha ha ha is he fucking real or what ?
Only in the sense that they may have been going along for their second or subsequent vote. That it may have been an orchestrated thing (in their heartlands note!) to try and claim that the result wasn’t valid when they lost, as it has emerged they were secretly fearing.
Having said that, I think that those in the queues should have been let inside and the doors locked. The issue of fraudulent votes to be sorted out as a separate issue.
Only in Britain can you
win a nomination on an all female candidate list when in fact you are not a female (does help if your wife heads the committee,)
donate working peoples hard earned money straight into the pockets of a political party to enable you to join the gravey train
be put in a seat where the electorate are so fucking thick they would vote for a dogturd if it had a red rosette on it
win a seat to parliament never having been so much as a local councillor
Why I left …
Its the political version of the volcano.
All the nannies have been grounded for a week. We’ve probably saved millions on the next failed relaunch alone.
Hattie Harperson was on TV the day after the election, dripping with arrogance, essentially saying the public had unfortunately created a difficult situation, but Labour would deal with it.
The (few – must be the company I keep) people I know who are addicted (and they seem to be at that extreme or the other) to twittering/tweeting/whatever are so obsessed by the inane self-important bollocks that spews out of it that they have less idea than most re what’s going on in the real world around them.
Excellent comment!
The only person I know who tweets is the 22-year old (graduate) daughter of a friend on mine. She didn’t think the expenses scandal was a big issue because in total they’d only over-claimed “about a hundred thousand quid”.
Well said sir!
Madam.
The Eurozone is demanding that the UK chips into a bailout to save the Euro. I thought Gordon said we would not have to support the Euro. If those fookers were daft enough to gpo into a joint currency with the likes of Greece, Portugal and Italy, why should I the UK taxpayer have to pay for their folly?
And I would wager that the next step will be pleading that only closer political integration can save the Euro and unlected Herman will make it so.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/business/2010/may/09/alistair-darling-eu-rescue-plan
1 week left to save the Euro?
AND 24 hours to save Britain
It makes sense, the insolvent bailing out the bancrupt. Go for it.
Money troubles?, did you know you can wipe out 90% of your debt,… leave the EEC.
Thats it in a nutshell. We will borrow to help those who have borrowed too much. A bit like paying off your personal loan with someone elses credit card.
Unfortunately its a majority vote and we cannot veto it. Out of our hands. Wait till the other PIGS declare their exposure.
Poland and Sweden are in the same boat. Not in the euro but having to bail it out.
Although the immediate crisis affects the euro, legally all 27 EU states have to invoke article 122 of the Lisbon treaty, which stipulates that the union can come to the rescue of a member state “in exceptional circumstances”. The treaty’s drafters had in mind natural disasters or massive energy shortages in an EU member state, but Friday night’s summit decided that the single currency crisis counted as “exceptional circumstances”.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/business/2010/may/09/alistair-darling-eu-rescue-plan
This is Absolutely appalling
Don’t worry. I said unequivocally that Britain would not bail out the Euro, and I am a man of my word.
I also said that signing the Lisbon Treaty was in Britain’s best interests, and that I can nail jelly to the ceiling.
Or we could say..sod the Euro. Its only a made up currency. All EU member countries have the option of returning to their former currencies at rates to be decided by the markets.
Hello Drachma and friends. 1 peso = 12p.
Seems fair. If France and Germany and anyone else wants to stick to the Euro that’s up to them.
Garbage rules make us liable, garbage result follows.
Brown and Badger to the rescue while Dave is otherwise engaged, courtesy of UKIP.
Aren’t unintended consequences a hoot.
Surely Badger has no mandate to commit the British people to such a grave financial burden.
Surely Badger is skint so he cant do any more damage
I suppose he’s still Chancellor till the Govt. resigns.
Although we are not in the Euro we will be affected to a degree and if the Banks get into difficulty we may end up bailing them out.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/business/2010/apr/28/debt-turmoil-bank-crisis-fears
Come on Dave. Seal the deal so that SuperCable can engage his braincell and fix the problem, which he alone saw and warned us about on _____[ fill in date].
I favour the issue of the voucher backed loans, valued at a fiver or so each, to be distributed amongst the population and linking us personally to Europe.
One voucher can be used on holiday, and entitles the holder to have a meal, get drunk and screw the waitress.
The consequence of so many voting UKIP [and B*P] has been to emphasise to Dave that he cannot win a governing majority without taking into account the views of the million or so for whom the tyranny of the EU is an overriding factor
Unintedned? – I don’t think so. Job done!
Yup! – that’s how it is folks!
Garbage went Into No 10 in 1997 – and the stinking shitheap is only just being dragged Out into the midden in 2010.
WYSIWYG also applies – What You See in the form of Phoney Bliar, Gorgon the Moron, and all the po-faced fuckers – is What You fucking well Got!
And thanks to PC, we’ve got a WIMP environment. Nothing to do with windows, icons, mice or pointers. Just WIMP Royal Navy personnel who cry like little babies when Iranians nick their iPods, or who stand idly-by while British pensioners are kidnapped – right in front of their noses – by pirates.
The Welsh Guards were marching in Red Square today. Hopefully, they will learn from the Russian Army that the robust response to the current political hiatus is to drive a T62 through the front door of No 10 and start lobbing grenades and sprinkling the place with .50 cal.
well it’s a bit more than that isn’t it Guido, and others here have suggested what it is – Tweetminster tells you what stupid people are thinking. Twitter is utterly infested with shallow, vain, self-obsessed, fucking idiots.
I recognise that description. Its Kerry McCarthy isn’t it?
Is she in jail yet?
Hey 57 – watch it!
I twit on tweeter – or is it Teeter on Titter ? – or Twatt on Titty?
Never can remember.
Can anyone who is less of a Luddite than me establish a petition on No 10 website demanding independence for Scotland so that England can have the majority Conservative government elected? I heard some Labour chap on the radio this w/e saying they had lost the peoples will to be the governing party – since Tories got same vote as Labour got previous time and 2nd place party much more distant this time does that not imply that Tories have as much right as Blair did last time to run co8untry and ant Lib/Lab stitch up would be treason?
You can’t put a petition on the Downing street website at the moment for some strange reason.
Nobody’s in residence that’s why
Permanently out to lunch, you mean.
probably
although there has been a miserable old scottish k/unt hanging about there and making a mess that will take some cleaning up – he’s flown the nest to some scottish retreat, maybe his second home for which he claims expenses not knowing where his first home is – its haddes if he can’t remember
Good point: that Blair in 2005 had the right to form a government with the same vote as the Conservatives have this time means without a shadow of a doubt that
Conservatives have as much right as Blair did in 2005 to run the country now.
They also have a darn sight more right than Brown who has never been elected Prime Minister by the electorate!
Unfortunately the current voting system is a bit like the game of Tennis, one of the few sports where you can win more games than your opponent and still lose. The current result demonstrates how heavily biased in Labour’s favour is the distribution of seats and how, if you have narrow, sectarian or tribal appeal you are rewarded with a disproportionate number of seats, whereas if you have broad appeal across the country you are penalised.
Agreed. Pool is another example: clear up the first 8 balls, miss the 9, then your opponent comes in, knocks it into the pocket and claims the frame. It is possible to win 10 frames of pool having played less than a dozen shots all night!
Is it just me,Gove on Marr his lips are moving but total garbage is coming out of his mouth.
He’s just sending “coded messages” to LibDems..trouble is no fucker understands them
It’s just you.
A very plausable post mortem by North and Booker
A gamble that failed – by Richard… Sunday, May 09, 2010
http://eureferendum.blogspot.com/
By my reckoning, the count is 22 – the number of seats in which the Tories came second and UKIP vote was greater than winning majority. BNP managed this 13 times and, when the combined votes are taken into account, the UKIP/BNP vote was greater than the winning majority in 41 seats.
In theory, at least, this means that these two parties, separately or in combination, deprived David Cameron’s Conservatives of their winning majority. Potentially, the Conservative score could have been 347 instead of 306 – a comfortable majority of 22 over the baseline 225….
Has anyone heared anything
re the postal voting fraud investigations and which Asian candidates actually won the seats in those boroughs ?
voting fraud
people locked out
polling stations running out of ballot papers
14 year old boy being allowed to vote
if i didn’t live in the “Mother of all Democracies” i would think someone was trying to rig an election !
Didn’t know you lived in North Korea, Frankie!!!!
BTW did you see #437 last night?
are you sure it was 437 ?
Sorry 473! I am DexyAils ……
still talking to yourself I see, you schizo freak
Have you been moved on from your shop doorway already
you piss soaked crackhead tramp ?
All that education and the only adjective you have is schizo and the only noun is freak. Your mum must be proud. May take a while for the Nobel for Literature arrives though. Don’t stay up.
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It’s not 473 on the last post “Dave Wants Deal” ? catch you later !
If they were trying to rig it the 14 year old would have voted twice.
He must have been on the register though to get a voting card.In which case either the form was filled in fraudulently(You are required to insert d.o.b of someone who is under 18 at time of registration but who will be 18 during the following period before renewal of registration)or the electoral registration officer for the local council missed the date if it was correctly entered.This seems to be being dismissed as a teenage jape.It’s potentially more serious….who registered him and why ?
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/election/article-1274599/UK-ELECTION-RESULTS-2010-Schoolboy-uniform-votes-Wyre–Preston-North.html
It’ll all be quietly forgotten about. Neither the MSM, the Tories, the Police, the CPS or any of the other parts of our shitty establishment will want to take the matter further.
Don’t want to undermine public confidence in our glorious British establishment, do we.
The story is that it was his 19 year old sister who got confused when the electoral registartion officer visited and said her brother was eligible ? Do electoral registration officers do home visits then ? I’ve never come across this and anyway whoever the registration official was he/she must have realised she herself was in her teens and should have sought HER and brother d.o.b details>I’m sure that that instruction must be in the manual somewhere in case of doubt. For Chrissakes supermarkets ask pensioners for id when they’re buying a bottle of sherry to ensure they’re over 25 but it seems when registering someone to vote officials can’t be arsed
Yes, I was steadfastly refusing to enrol on the electoral register for a few years, until they called round at my house when I was at work and my Daughter gave them my details.
I have rewarded them by voting against them ever since.
The quango Blair set up as the ‘Electoral Commission’ is run by a left wing labour activist who’s been through the usual set of non jobs:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/election/article-1275445/Election-2010-Is-wonder-vote-shambles.html
no doubt about it, IF the boundaries had been fairly distributed, it would have been a clear tory win.
Although Cameron’s bizarre decision to refuse UKIP’s offer in December is what finally did for him. Tories would have been able to form a Government last Friday if Cameron had offered us a referendum.
A referendum on a Treaty that Brown signed into law last year?
So because of the Tory votes lost to an anti EU party, the most pro EU party will now be part of the Government (which ever party they plump for).
A classic case of be careful what you wish for I guess
Excellent point, MFH son of Cod. Who exactly did win in the postal vote fraud afflicted boroughs? That is a crucial issue in respect of which alliance could have a majority.
Postal voting fraud
People locked out
Ballot papers ran out
Also PROXY VOTES REFUSED
And LAST MINUTE LISTS MISLAID OR LOST
I was refused the right to use a friend’s – properly registered – proxy vote to vote as he wished because it was not on the polling station staff’s proxy vote list. Polling station staff told me to ring the electoral office re this, but it was too late to do it until the next day.
Eventually, after I kicked up a fuss and demanded my friend’s (a former local councillor on a last minute visit to a sick relative) right to this proxy vote, a polling clerk rang one of the electoral office staff she knew who said he clearly recalled that my proxy vote was on the list!
“No it’s not, said the polling station clerk.”
“Look at the Last Minute List”, said the electoral office clerk.
“The what…?”, said the perplexed polling station clerk.
“THE LAST MINUTE LIST”, shouted the electoral officer.
After a great panic and sifting of papers at the rear of the hall by staff who clearly hadn’t a clue what they were looking for, the polling station clerk finally found the Last Minute List and my proxy vote on it.
There were around a dozen other names on that Last Minute List for our small ward of a small constituency.
As I did the proxy vote very late, had all of the others on the list been refused the right to vote?
One person who was denied the right to vote as I waited, before the list was found, insisted she had registered at her new address in time, but was not as insistent as I was when the clerk told her she was not on the electoral register. Was she on the Last Minute List?
How many others were denied the right to vote because polling station staff had not been trained to keep and check the Last Minute List?
Interestingly, the person I did the proxy vote for was a Labour councillor who has switched to supporting the Conservatives…
Thanks for keeping us apprised of the situation, Guido – I like the GIGO principle. I shall undertake to use this whereever possible!
Come on guys, let’s have a coalition of the willing!
To do what?
I could save you a lot of trouble if its clearing out rubbish, – I could do a nice hole you could put everything in – then cover over.
Time for Tim Montgomerie to resign from the Tory party.
He tweets”Depressing stuff from Michael Gove on Marr. Team Cameron seem ready to concede moves towards PR. There’ll be trouble…”
The problem with Conservative Home is that they are not proper Conservatives. Getting rid of Brown is worth the horse trading.
Agree. The entire country, not beholden to the Labour Party for funds and favours, realised that McDoom was the problem.
Getting rid of him will prevent our other substantial problems getting worse.
Tim Montgomerie is symptomatic of the problems of the Tories at the lower levels: too many of the “Movers and shakers” lie him are rejects from life that had they been military men would have been the sort to have been catapaulted to the rank of Lieutenant after 25 years faithful service. Better suited for a life as a commissionaire n some City insurance office than as a bleeding edge blogger.
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A very plausable post mortem by North and Booker
A gamble that failed – by Richard… Sunday, May 09, 2010
http://eureferendum.blogspot.com/
By my reckoning, the count is 22 – the number of seats in which the Tories came second and UKIP vote was greater than winning majority. B&P managed this 13 times and, when the combined votes are taken into account, the UKIP/B&P vote was greater than the winning majority in 41 seats.
In theory, at least, this means that these two parties, separately or in combination, deprived David Cameron’s Conservatives of their winning majority. Potentially, the Conservative score could have been 347 instead of 306 – a comfortable majority of 22 over the baseline 225….
If only he kept his promise on an EU referendum and just upped his rhetoric on reducing immigration, Davey would have his majority. That’ll learn him!
Probably a reasonable assumption regarding UKIP but not so sure about the B&P, many of whose supporters come from the disaffected Labour contingent.
Sir Reggie,
“Probably a reasonable assumption regarding UKIP but not so sure about the B&P, many of whose supporters come from the disaffected Labour contingent”
Tantamount to the same thing, labour votes that did not go to labour
That’s Dave’s fault. He tried to get the middle ground labour and Liberal voters at the expense of the core Tory voters. Don’t blame UKIP blame Cast iron Wavey Davey
UKIP supporters have shot themselves in the foot though. A majority Tory government would at least have tried to repatriate powers from EU back to UK. A lib/Lab administration won’t and neither can a Con/Lib one. UKIP cost the Tories approx 10 seats according to pollsters.
Another fact you may not like a party holding right wing views being espoused by some in the Tory Party wouldn’t have done as well in the election…it’s obvious that there has been a shift in voters views to the centre of poltics either slightly left of centre or right of centre. So the Tories were always on shaky difficult ground and the result achieved by Cameron should be viewed in that way although I agree whoever thought up “The Big Society” theme was totally divorced from the general sentiments of the electorate and need sacking
Do UKIP supporters owe Dave something?
The UKIP percentage went up like a rocket this past GE. How did they shoot themselves in the foot, they had a plane crash but thats another point.
UKIP Went up by 0.9% to almost 1,000,000 votes. Now Sinn Fein have 285,000 votes and 5 MPs. DUP have 8 mps from 168,000. SDLP have 3 mps from 110,000.
Either find yourself a closed community or get PR. Otherwise people might as well vote Labour as it amounts to the same thing.
Whilst the public may have gone slightly left or right of center, Happy Clappy Dave, with his Green Bank, Big Society, feeble response to the Lisbon Treaty betrayal by Brown and his PC all-Female Selection Lists show him so far to the left they make even a left-wing hoon like me blush!
Off topic ….fuming…have just abandoned Marr’s ‘twittering’ morning farce….newspaper review masquerading as serious discussion of a very serious situation…balanced it definitely isn’t!
Put this sort of biased TV garbage together with,for example, ‘fair vote’ protest groups – which a very much not as innocent as many might take them to be – and the like, and its easy to see that the black arts are being deployed to undermine any prospect that the silent sensible majority’s views (and votes)will be reflected in how we are governed!!
Some Labour woman, Parris, whatsisname impressionist. Now Gove and Ashdown saying the same thing for more than 20 mins and counting. Not exactly a Labour love-in.
Who was that stupid bitch moaning about the press being beastly towards Gordon Brown? “He is our Prime Minister! He deserves respect!”
Sorry, love, but the mendacious snot-gobbling bastard doesn’t behave like a prime minister.
Nick Clegg –
the dog that caught the car..
or perhaps
the wingman who scored the ugly one.
The dog that caught the car, which then ran over it
GIGO – garbage in/ garbage out
TITO – twitter in/ twitter out
TONTO – friend of the Lone Ranger
TOTO
(friend of Dorothy).
TIVO
TIVO logo is a smiling television set.
off to work now to earn some more tax money
to help pay off the deficit
catch up later
See you, Frankie. Look the poor lad has to work Sundays for you to get free crack.
Somebodies got to do it.
Thanks for the cider Frankie
http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=101327403247001&v=wall
Those who have studied ancient Rome will probably know about the 2 Triumvirates, both of which collapsed quite soon in blood and acrimony.
The chances of a true Bi-umvirate in Britain are actually quite good, since both Clegg and Cameroon are not too distantly related to the queen and both rich enough not to need to be paid for dabbling in Politics. Clegg likes to parade his “ordinary” credentials, but he is essentially privileged like many of the top MPs. That is probably the biggest problem of all – the striving social climbers at the bottom of both the Tory and Lib Dem ranks. They will seek to cut and thrust at every junture to break any forthcoming partnership.
Would a Biumvirate be good for Britain? Primarily Yes, since 18 million voters can not be too wrong.
Would it work?
The press and the people who seek to gain power by creating social unrest and disharmony (sometimes called “Equality) may seek to sabotage this optimistic vision of the future.
sounds like a Bum-Vote to me
Speaking of Twitter failure, Kay Burley correctly took to task the director of 38 Degrees, the left-wing front organisation for Organizing for America, Obama’s thug and money laundering operation, and as a consequence all the pencil-necked lefties are impotently raging at 160 characters a go and shouting down a legitimate news network.
I mean, really. How do these shitsuckers dress themselves in the morning?
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