April 20th, 2010

Vote-Mapping : LibDems Vote Increasingly with the Tories

As the howls of anguish seep out of CCHQ that the LibDems will keep Brown in, Guido begs to differ, there is that risk of course but it is not as great a risk as they claim.  There is also a great prize on offer, Brown can lead the Labour Party over the abyss into electoral oblivion destroying the Labour Party as a party of government.  Statist, redistibutive social democracy has now been tested to the destruction of the nation’s finances.  This election now presents an historic chance to break the Labour Party.

As Tories scream and point to Lib-Lab councils and the bearded sandal wearing activists who want to ban the bomb and legalise dope for purchase in euros, Guido says look at the reality.  Since Charlie Kennedy’s demise the LibDems have been moving quietly to the right on economics, have jettisoned a lot of their loopiest policies and the Tories under Cameron have moved towards the LibDems on civil liberties, the environment and localism.  The parties respective policies are closer now than they have been for over half-a-century.  Cameron is telling the truth when he says that he is a liberal-conservative.  Nick Clegg is a former Cambridge Conservative who is now a Liberal.  They fact is they are both instinctively liberal metropolitan modernisers.

“But they are weirdie beardies” cry the Cameroon girls and boys distastefully in CCHQ.  LibDem activists may be, but the parliamentary party is not and it is the parliamentary party with which they would have to work with in government.  Here is a vote map based on data from MySociety’s Public Whip showing how increasingly over the course of the last three parliaments the LibDems more and more vote with the Tories:

We are possibly entering into an era of multi-party realpolitik.  Clegg isn’t stupid, he won’t want to prop up Gordon Brown, it would infuriate voters and betray his whole change message.  He is going to prefer to do a deal with the other ‘change’ candidate.  If Cameron together with Clegg play it right, they can destroy the Labour Party forever…


  1. 1
    David Cameron says:

    I have a small willy

  2. 2
    Nick is the Heir to Blair says:

    CleegObama did well at his press conference today. Obviously knows quite a bit about economics, unlike Dave

  3. 3
    tom says:

    We can dream….

  4. 4
    Tickle Duster says:

    Bang on Guido.

    Cons & Libs are pro Liberty & Capital.

    Labour are pro Statism & Fiscal Incontinence.

  5. 5
    TheDevineOne says:

    so did Margret Thatcher, and look how well she did!

  6. 6
    Spud_Gun says:

    We’re doomed, aye, we’re doomed

  7. 7
    Pimlican says:

    Not that you’re panicking or anything right Guido?

  8. 8
    Gordo Broon. says:

    i will save the world!

  9. 9
    First Rule of Propaganda: Get Your Story Straight says:

    But you are a freemarketeer Guido and all the freemarketeers are howling that a hung parliament with a coalition government would be bad for the markets.
    And yet here you are promoting a Lib-Con coalition!
    Make your mind up, eh?

  10. 10
    Anonymous says:

    That assumes that Clegg would want to go down as the Liberal Democrat leader who rejected the first chance in decades to reform the electoral system. I am not sure that he would want that legacy.

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    Sir William Waad says:

    Untrue. Mr Cameron has never had me. I fear Mr Clegg might have Mr Cameron, though. Please, dave, don’t bet our future on some mad End of the World theory about carbon dioxide. Please don’t give all our money to opportunistic spivs in the ‘green energy’ con. Please don’t force us all to live on raw cabbage to placate some pagan Gaia goddess.

  12. 12
    David Cameron says:

    Are you Jim Devine?

  13. 13
    Imprison Jonah and his rotten band of crooked shits who've lied, stolen and fucked this country says:

    Is Gordon Brown:
    a) A Hunt
    b) A huge Hunt
    c) The biggest fucking Hunt on the face of the planet and needs a good smack in his mong mouth

  14. 14

    I forced myself to read the Lib Dem 2010 manifesto last night, and this was what I gleaned, cut ‘n pasted from the actual first folio itself, without editing:

    Making sure that the very wealthy pay their fair share

    Polluting air travel is properly taxed

    The taxpayers’representatives on the boards of the banks the public own or part own should insist banks lend to viable businesses on fair terms again.

    Help protect children and young people from developing negative body images by regulating airbrushing in adverts.

    Set the minimum wage at the same level for all workers over 16

    End testing of household products on animals.

    Set a target for 40 per cent of UK electricity to come from clean, non-carbon-emitting sources by 2020,

    Reject a new generation of nuclear power stations;

    Liberal Democrats are committed to securing a legally binding global agreement on limiting the increase in global temperatures to below 1.7
    degrees Celsius.

    Liberal Democrats are committed to working towards a world free from poverty, inequality and injustice

  15. 15

    Who said they wouldn’t do a deal?

  16. 16
    Anonymous says:

    Whitelaw was a very big Willie

  17. 17

    Permanent destruction of the Labour party is indeed a worthy and noble cause.

    Hell………. you don’t even need any other policy if you are standing on that ticket.

  18. 18
    Joan of Arc says:

    I am JONAH!

  19. 19
    James St John says:

    You’re forgetting something. The LibDems would soon shift to replace Liebour and with electoral reform they would be in a permanent state of government.

    No thanks.

  20. 20

    Sorry i just cannot see it, some of the lib dem policies are more left wing then Labour, at least if they did do a ConLib Osbourne won’t be the chancellor

  21. 21
    astateofdenmark says:

    The death of Labour is a big prize and short term instability a small price to pay for it.

  22. 22
    Cheese Lover says:

    Oh dear. The Liberal party hacker appears to have got at your site Guido. Attend to it asap please.

  23. 23
    lolol says:

    The bit I liked was when Brillo asked him about his expenses,fluster and bluster and a promise that the house belongs to the taxpayer oh yeh,pigs seen flying in Sheffield.

  24. 24
    Sarah Tweet says:

    2nd mishap of the campaign for me after #feettweet: discover my favourite skirt has huge inkblot on the back from sitting on a pen #bottblot

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    I Might Vote Libby says:

    Barnick Oclegga will never jump into bed with the Tories, he knows the party will slap his somewhat stern jaw. But I can’t see him propping up McDoom and his genuinely frightening cabinet of absolute fuckwits. This is a real test for Calamity.

  26. 26
    Sarah Tweet says:

    lesson learned – always put lids back on permanent marker pens #bottblot http://twitpic.com/1gvdye

  27. 27
    Statistical Anomaly says:

    (d) All of the above

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    The Sleeper says:

    You may be right,Guido….but I’m not convinced that the British Electorate are as savvy as you.

    In fact,I think that they are being ruthlessly exploited by the media circus surrounding Clegg. Note that I say Clegg..not LibDems. The Electorate are frustrated and like what Clegg is saying…even though they haven’t got a clue what this means. Populist policy ,some say X Factor, has charmed the average Brit. They love the underdog,don’t they?

    What they do not see is the paralysis of Government should there be a hung parliament..and they will wring their hands in desperation when their X Factor Jedward is exposed as the instrument that caused the paralysis..yet they will never realise that it was their folly that caused it.

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    restandbthankfull says:

    ++++++++++++++++BREAKING NEWS++++++++++++++

    There has been a life changing moment caught on camera on BBC News – an aircraft has been caught on camera flying over Heathrow airport. I say an aircraft it was a vapour trail – live on BBC News – an exclusive!!!!!!

    How to spend the TV tax sensibly – film a never seen before vapour trail.

    How childish, how stupid, how absolutely unnecessary.

  30. 30
    Statistical Anomaly says:

    Erm, sorry, that’s not an inkblot.

  31. 31
    Ted Heath's Barber says:

    Just wing a few naughty piccies of Clegg’s wife into the tabloids and the Lib Dems will be given a 385 seat majority.

  32. 32
    lolol says:

    Hell Tusc Tony your not a closet Libdum are you,has the Tuscan sun/Icelandic dust got to you and mashed your braincell or is it too much to drink from the cellar,now if you believe the garbage any of the so called politcians say can I get you to buy a life insurance as we will give you a Parker pen free :-)

  33. 33
    Sol says:

    Surely the Libs would be committed to working with the party that had won the greatest number of votes? They are believers in proportional representation, this would be the course of action consistent with those beliefs.

  34. 34
    Clegg Did well against Brillo says:

    Got to admit that Clegg handled that well and wasn’t the least bit flustered. And he was also able to use the fact that his family are bankers to his great advantage by quoting their anger at today’s greedy bankers and the system. Very polished & confident performance from Clegg

  35. 35

    Okay, so Nicky has shuffled slightly rightwards and Dave’s moved one hell of a way leftwards. This means the pair of them are essentially fighting for the same nice, cosy, ever-so-slightly-not-socialist, centre ground. I really do wish them luck in their soon to be announced civil partnership, but:

    Where does this leave the real conservatives? The lads and lasses who want out of the eu, radical spending cuts and masses of previously state employed useless mouths condemned to the dole queue? Who will return the lost civil liberties and roll back the nanny state?

  36. 36
    Alternatively says:

    If Brown together with Clegg plays it right, they can destroy Cameron and the Conservatives for ever…

  37. 37

    A hung parliament that kept Labour in would be bad for the markets. Do keep up.

  38. 38
    Ratsniffer says:

    Guido, do you think that the lib dems have been moving “quietly to the right”? Don’t get me wrong, this would be music to my ears, but this does not tally with the lib dems that I know, who are very much to the left, possibly more so than New Labour.

    You paint a tempting proposition; smashing labour for good, as punishment for their disasterous socialist policies which have brought the country to ruin.

    But I wonder if you might be backing a trojan horse, and than once the results are in, rank and file lib dems will simply refuse to countenance working with tories, and will instead thrash out a deal with Mandleson, which would of course mean getting rid of Brown and offering high office to St Nicholas Of Clegg and The Archangel Cable.

    I can think of no worse proposition other than an outright labour win.

  39. 39
    A Tory Tory says:

    That’s why the Tories need to have the balls to not only admit but promote Thatcherism once more as a viable model for the country. I say country, as in England, the rest can split from the Union and not worry.

  40. 40
    Brown out says:

    I don’t see how they could possibly work with a New Labour lead by Brown. So if Labour do get the most votes I reckon Clegg would demand that Brown leaves the Government.

  41. 41
    Brownian Motion says:

    Lib / Lab union with Clegg as PM and Cable as the money man? It might just happen. Brown is out within 6 months regardless of the result.

  42. 42

    PR is the last resort of the looser. Once he’s a winner I’m guessing Cleggie’s priorities will suddenly be elsewhere.

  43. 43
    Dooplah Heights says:

    Tony Blair is a conservative.

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    Moley says:

    When the election results are analysed it seems likely that the conservatives might see the virtue of electoral reform too.

    However; and its a big however, the share of the vote gained by the B*P is going to be a huge factor when the country and the parties consider the wisdom of electoral reform.

    What I can’t understand is why the Boundary commission has allowed the position to become so skewed. Why hasn’t the boundary commission been tasked with making regular adjustments to keep constituencies the same size?

  45. 45
    Brown's a Tosser says:

    There is no doubt the Lib/Dems will do a deal this is the very chance they have been waiting for. Still means we get Brown as PM. At least in the short term though I accept he might not last that long.

  46. 46
    McDoombot 3000 says:

    But no matter what, that turd can’t be polished to a sheen…

  47. 47
    McDoombot 3000 says:

    But no matter what, that poo can’t be polished to a sheen…

  48. 48
    Harriet Blog says:

    The choice in Scotland is very clear. On May 7th will either be Labour or Tories in No 10. Everyone working to get our great candidates elected and protect Scotland from a Tory Government


  49. 49
    elephant-in-the-room says:

    I’m absolutely withy you here, RM. Who will speak for us?

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    Second Rule of Propaganda: choose your line and stick to it says:

    I have never heard so much tripe in my life Guido.
    So, let me try to keep up with your twisting and turning: a hung parliament isn’t the problem, the problem is who is in the coalition government of that hung parliament.
    Hmmm…. you better tell that to Dave the gormless because he is currently slagging off the prospect of a hung parliament and therefore running down his chances of forming a coalition with the highly popular Liberal Democrat party.
    David Cameron is very poor strategist who is going to single handedly lose this election for the Conservatives.
    Despite all your assistance.
    That must really grate.

  51. 51
    Anonymous says:

    Cameron supporting PR as a means of securing a coalition? That would raise a few eyebrows. I guess it would be consistent with his “change” agenda, but wouldn’t it consign the Tories to the political dustbin in the longer term? Whatever the policies of the Parliamentary party, surely Lib Dem and Labour voters are much closer in their views than either party to the Tories, except perhaps in the South West…

  52. 52
    udderly 'orrible says:

    Whereas a hung parliament that helped clean out a pigsty, would be a good thing.

  53. 53
    Airey Belvoir says:

    Any party that rejects nuclear power will be responsible for the lights going out, and us probably having to buy in French nuclear-generated electricity anyway.

  54. 54
    Sawah Bwown says:

    The idiotic, grumbling working classes will support Labour no matter what. The idiotic, xenophobic arsehole will support the SNP no matter what. Expect Scottish politics to remain in a stalemate for the next 300 years.

  55. 55
    Ratsniffer says:

    UKIP will probably hoover up votes from disenfranchised conservatives, I would imagine.

  56. 56
    Fat Bloke on Tour says:

    C Men

    Your pain and angst is palpable but I fear tghe mask is slipping.
    Libertarian iconoclast vs Tory party hack / useful idiot?
    I wonder what you are now, the answer is in your writing:

    Cleggy and Scratchy are made for each other because and a I quote

    “they are both instinctively liberal metropolitan modernisers”.

    If that description is not enough to turn the GIB’by, Right Wing Mentalist, dog boilers on “Spunky Spunky” into Permarage — Warp Factor 9, then nothing will.

    However it says a lot about you and your not so hidden agenda.

  57. 57
    Airey Belvoir says:

    That will be one of the monocular doomster’s marker pens carelessly flung down

  58. 58
    Ing-ger-lund says:

    He’ll demand a dignified bow out within 3 months and ensure he has a firm grasp on the balls of the next Labour top dog.

  59. 59

    They’re both fucking socialists, if that’s what you’re driving at Guido.

    Do they believe in meritocracy, free markets (inc leaving banks to fail if needs be), do they believe in scrapping the dependency state, aka welfare state, do they think we spend our money more wisely than the govt?Oh, and do they think the English people should be sovereign over England? No they bloody do not.

    Neither gets my vote.



    “Alexander, of Thornton Heath, Surrey, Burke, Maxfield Lane, Three Oaks, East Sussex, and Thomas, of Whittington, Litchfield, Staffordshire, All deny manslaughter and violent disorder. ”

    Manslaughter? Once again we see the CPS colluding with the cops and govt in downgrading obvious murder cases. Oh, and how come they’re out on bail?

    Smirking bitch should be chucked in that volcano…

  60. 60
    Airey Belvoir says:

    If you look at radarvirtuel.com you will see that across the Channel they are all flying around happily, and three Lufthansas from the USA have just overflown southern England at 35000 feet without plummeting into the sea. It’s just the UK closed down.

  61. 61
    Anonymous says:

    and Dave’s moved one hell of a way leftwards

    Frightening ain’t it? The bloke from political betting told the politics prog that Dave was trying to capture 6 to 7% of left inclined floating voters who would otherwise vote Labour or Liberal and this should swing the election in dave’s favour. This only works though if grassroot Tories can put up with Dave’s lurch to the left and do not either abstain or vote UKIP. I for one think it a great mistake.

  62. 62
    Ampers says:

    Nonsense, Guido is reporting on what is happening as it happens. Of course his comments will differ as each new twist and turn occurs.

    If he was a candidate for a political party, then what you have said would make sense. He isn’t, It doesn’t.


  63. 63
    Axe The Telly Tax says:

    Labour would just love this scenario. ConLib get the blame for the cuts/austerity measures and Labour waltz back into power in 2015. Just as Thatcher did after the LibLab pact, only this time it will be Harman. Coalitions don’t work in the UK. The people prefer a government with a clear mandate.

  64. 64
    The IMF is coming says:

    Nick Clegg is perceived Vote Factor winner as he looked into the camera

    The polls are showing that voters are fed up with Brown, but not convinced by Cameron, so have latched onto Clegg.
    However if they take the time to review the policies of the LD’s they may be shocked.
    Therefore Tories who are looking at LD’s are more likely to return to Tories, some may stay, some who have gone from Labour to LD’s may also move to Tories.
    Net result – Tories 38 %, LD’s 30%, Labour 28%

  65. 65

    Any party that isn’t willing to sanction the immediate building of new gas and coal power stations will see power cuts and a three day week by 2014 anyway – we cannot afford a warmist agenda and still keep the lights on.

    Nuclear power for the long term is the best available option, but we are going to need carbon-based power long before we can bring any new nuclear plant on stream.

  66. 66
    Temper Tantrum says:

    Yep, reckon you are right.

  67. 67
    South of the M4 says:

    Two, or four engines. We should be told.

  68. 68
    Steven Purcell's got the White Stuff says:

    Today’s crime debate between the Huhney monster, Chris Gay-lings and Alan’s got a small Johnson should be fun.

  69. 69
    Pontius The Pilot says:

    Hear hear.

    Otherwise Guido’s peace is an interesting perspective on it.

    so long as that fucking one eyed hoon Broon is given the boot!

  70. 70

    Wouldn’t the Conservatives and Lib Dems combined destroy the country just as well as Labour could (has)?

  71. 71
    Ampers says:

    You wrote: “surely Lib Dem and Labour voters are much closer in their views than either party to the Tories”

    As Guido said, the activists and rank and file maybe.

    And anyway when have political parties cared a jot about what the rank and file think once they get in.


  72. 72

    I keep a moistened Libdem in the barn , does that count?

    I think my personal favourite was the King Cnut-ish “we will force through legislation to stop the world’s temperatures rising.” Well done lads, although laying off the lentils and mung beans might be a good start.

  73. 73
    Paddy says:

    What this country desperately needs is a non-socialist natural party of opposition.

    In Canada, they have an identical system of lower house government to us, even down to the number of constituents per MP.

    Over there the Liberals and the Conservatives dominate and in spite of social differences in opinion neithyer of them ever wrecks the economy.

    Think about it this way:

    if you’re considering investing in the UK, then the numbers can never make sense because there is a never ending cycle of destruction and corrective therapy that makes long-term investment tricky to predict. Every five years, there is a risk that utterly economically unaware people will take the helm and ruin your business.

    Let’s go Canadian!

  74. 74
    Old Banger says:

    Can’t understand these people coughing up Thousands of pounds for a taxi ride across Europe. Got to be cheaper buying an old banger and a bit of RAC European relay cover.

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    sockpuppet #4 says:

    Wheres your graph about Sterling and the hung parliment then?

    It appears that the currency markets are quite relaxed about the Clegg bubble.

  76. 76
    South of the M4 says:

    If he allows a 3 month grace period then he is signing his own political death warrant. The only day it would be safe to get rid of Brown, and not risk a smearing etc, will be May 07th.

  77. 77
    Pontius The Pilot says:

    Probably Gordon mistaking one of his marker pens for a sex toy.

    Or your arse for the headrest on the back of the seat!

  78. 78
    lola says:

    “If Cameron together with Clegg play it right, they can destroy the Labour Party forever” – which would be the greatest service to the ‘working man’, ever.

    Maybe, just maybe, this is the final thrashings of socialism. The destruction of the Communist Empire in 1989 was the last major battle in the war for freedom, and now we have the mopping up operations as various proto-totaltarian lefty statists in sundry international governments face the fact that Socialism just does not work and never will. What will be their route to power in the future? Will they be able to rape the working classes to make themselves millionaires like Mandleson and Blair have done? Hopefully not. It would be nice if the UK again showed the way to, and stood up for, freedom.

  79. 79

    Here’s their dismissal of nuclear in full, well worth a read:

    “Reject a new generation of nuclear power stations; based on the
    evidence nuclear is a far more expensive way of reducing carbon
    emissions than promoting energy conservation and renewable energy.”


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    sockpuppet #4 says:

    rolling news is silly.

    The one over heathrow is a KLM flight from amsterdam, to amsterdam. so it looks like a “test flight”.

    There’s not many commercial flights out and about, and most of them appear to be lufthansa.

  81. 81
    Gordoomm the Moroonnn, Noo_Lie_Bore's figurehead and Main Man says:

    My New Friend Nick, – with whom I am forced to publicly agree at present – will, as soon as me an’ the boys get him out of sight round the corner – be mincemeat.

    Cos a bullying, hypocritical, lying, cheating, sanctimonious git like me won’t stand for nothing in our way.


    Now fuck off!

  82. 82
    Royal Navy sunshine cruise captain says:

    Absolutely not.


    A hung parliament with some kind of LibLab coalition. Brown obsessively clinging on to power with a much reduced personal mandate. Everything that has been swept under the carpet in the months leading to the election, the realisation of the true state of UK Plc and the many skeletons in the downing street cupboards are finally revealed for all to see.

    There is mayhem, the voters finally realise they have been duped. A second election comes with or without debates and the Tories win with a lanslide. All within 6 months from now.

    Why anyone would actually want to win this particular election is beyond me, it is the next election that counts.

  83. 83
    Sarah, the Turdmeister's bit o' t'other says:

    He’s out of it already!

    Ever seen what he’s like without drugs?

  84. 84
    Anonymous says:

    While Brown remains PM the the wind from Iceland blows the brown stuff and if F-P-T-P returns the third place persons as PM, the brown stuff will continue to blow over us all for years. . . . . . . Political reform; real reform is the only answer . . . .

  85. 85
    Statistical Anomaly says:

    It’s an overspill from the turkey baster.

  86. 86
    UP 4 BALLS says:

    Ha. Fake Cameron PWNED.

  87. 87
    sockpuppet #4 says:

    actually, I looked at “radarvirtuel” a while back and just now, it appears that france/germany have opened things up in the last half hour or so.

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    South of the M4 says:

    We should not forget that in Wales, just two years ago, the LibDems chose to remain in opposition rather than form a coalition with the Tories. This allowed Labour to form a coalition with Plaid Cymru – and the LibDems viewed to be gutless, preferring dated ideology over reality. Has this view altered this last two years. (ps, Lempit got
    a hammering by Joe Public last night on the ‘Welsh Debate’. Don’t think he will hold his seat. Don’t think Labour will take it either. Their candidate had the charisma of
    an unlit candle.)

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    Leaky pipes says:

    Are you sure you havn’t mixed up the visual voting pattern above with Purcell’s retina scan??

  90. 90
    sockpuppet #4 says:

    Wheres your graph about Sterling and the hung parliment then?

    It appears that the currency meerkats are quite relaxed about the Clegg bubble.

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    Refuse Nick says:

    “The destruction of the Communist Empire in 1989 was the last major battle in the war for freedom, ”

    Err… EU?

  92. 92
    Royal Navy sunshine cruise captain says:

    We’re sending the Ark Royal to Zurich to assist in biggest peace time evacuation in modern history…..Where is Zurich?

  93. 93
    Eazy-E and NWA, motherfuckers says:

    If Gorgon ends up with the fewest votes but the most seats and still tries to cling on as prime minister, the people should take to the streets. I’m talking revolution time. Andrew Neil was spot-on in last night’s This Week when he told that Hunt Caroline Flint that’s the kind of thing which happens in Zimbabwe. But then, this IS ZaNew Liebore, the most criminal government in British history. If such a scenario happens, I just hope the Queen finally makes use of her theoretical powers and tells Gorgon Mentalist to fuck off or she’ll send the army into Downing St. They are, after all, Her Majesty’s armed forces, not McDoom’s.

  94. 94
    Dino says:

    But you can roll it in glitter.

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    The Sleeper says:

    But that is the dilemma, isn’t it? Labour with most votes or most seats?

    Clegg is unable or unwilling to say which of these criteria he would use in the case of a coalition.

    My feeling is that if he went with most seats,there might be an uprising of public revolt that would castrate any embryonic coalition before birth.

  96. 96

    They mostly seem to be teachers – IE, a bit thick.

  97. 97
    Ah - but! says:

    . . it’s not just any vapour trail – it’s a Noo_Lie_Bore Vapour Trail.

    Vapid, vacuous, and made of once hot air.



    Kno wot oi mean?

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    South of the M4 says:

    At last, some honesty from Gordon Brown. A statement we can all believe.

  99. 99
    Canary Wharf Rat says:

    Don’t buy it Guido. Good headline in the Telegraph ” Vote for Winston, Get Stalin” New Labour as a project is already dead, this election will see it buried once and forall. They have nothing positive to offer and have left the country in ruins.
    Personally I think that the UK population know the difference between a beauty contest and an election, problem is the Conservative party need to wake up to this too.

  100. 100

    People will grumble, say isnt’ it awful, the BBC will say it’s all entirely proper, go back to sleep, and that will be it.

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    A Firm Pair OF Breasts says:

    If the LibDems do keep Gordon after the election then he might totally destroy the Zanu Labour more than it can recover from.

    That would be a better result than if he were to lose the election.

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    openallhours says:

    History repeats itself.

    We saw the rise of the Liberal party and liberal ideas back in early 1900. Resulting in a period of liberal power for that eventually gave us World War 1. The liberal party were useless in their ability to govern a nation during this period – ask Asquith himself. The decline of liberalism gave us the labour party and the decline of labour now gives us the liberal party.

    So what does this tell us?

    In the ashes of the ‘we all work for the government now’ Nu Labour experiment, we see an unmanageable population explosion clinging on to the rise of a social democratic liberal x-factor’ and we see a left of right-wing conservatism that is too scared to say what is everyones lips due to their 1960’s education. The population that pays for all of this experimentation has had enough – we want to live our lives free of big brother, to kill off the nanny state, to tell people to stand up for themselves and stop living off other people, to redeem common sense in the reality of policy and to halt the rising tide of humanism and over population.

    But sadly i would say it could be too late.

    Economically we have already fallen off the cliff.
    Psychologically we are only starting to realise it.
    Socially we are heading for disintegration.

    We can only hope to see each other on the other side. This general election campaign is panning out exactly how it did 100 years ago.

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    a hung parliament means no more first past the post says:

    and if you don’t realise what that means for the Conservatives then you are going to be in for a shock when UKIP splits them in two after Cameron’s gets dumped for his fluffy Blarite incompetence

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    Fat Bloke on Tour says:

    C Men

    Five years of hard work to build up the (in)credibility of “Spunky Spunky” wasted in four weeks of Tory arse licking / cheerleading / policy flip flops and general pishy twat’edness.

    From iconoclastic libertarian pest to second rate party hack in three poorly argued articles.

    If Michael White buys a bottle of bubbly tonight I think we will all know why.

  105. 105
    Anonymous says:

    If Labour benefit from Scottish votes, has the effect of an SNP surge been factored in to the polls? And why isn’t Cammo bigging up the SNP in his ‘vision for change’ and ‘local responsibility’ agenda. Would demonstrate his committment and stem labour votes from Scotland?

  106. 106
    lola says:

    Sorry, I was forgetting, but the rest of my post implies that the destruction of labour plus a Eurosceptic UK parliament with the possibility of a referndum on membership, may just trigger a revolution. It’d be slow I grant you. The EU Soviets will hang on like grim death but if Germany gets (a) totally fed up with bailing out the likes of Greece and (b) gets over its guilt complex…….

  107. 107
    a hung parliament means no more first past the post says:

    complete bollocks
    a hung parliament is a hung parliament
    feeble stuff

  108. 108
    Direct Line says:

    We have a problem insuring wrecks in Europe

  109. 109
    Royal Navy sunshine cruise captain says:

    you see all this boy clegg, obama clegg, winston churchill clegg, Che Guevera clegg, Tim Henman clegg ffs has diverted attention as planned by lordey lord mandelsen from the prime mentallist himself.

    With his completely false grin, he is hated, despised, loathed. So it has come to pass that everyone accepts Labour are not going to win the election but the challenge for Labour has now become how they do not lose it.

  110. 110

    and hang the fucker

  111. 111
    The Sleeper says:

    See above…I agree with you (Nick?). Should Labour come in as 3rd place based on number of votes..and manages to cling onto power,there will be public revulsion.

    What this would do for our democracy is unthinkable.

  112. 112
    Cystic Smeg says:

    I can see it now,history enthusiasts bidding on e-bay for Labour party memorbillia,just like they do with the nazi stuff.

  113. 113
    minority government says:

    you seem to have left that fairly obvious possibility out

  114. 114
    jgm2 says:

    If Brown gets a whiff of a hung parliament then he’ll use his enabling act to renege on absolutely everything and assume executive control.

    For the good of the nation. In these turbulent times. That started in America. And have fuck all to do with me, Gordon Brown. Fuck no.

  115. 115
    Wavy Davy Bullingdon Gravy Loves to eat his Greens says:

    Mr Cameron stressed that he supported the BBC

    He said: “The BBC is an important national institution. I want to see it prosper and succeed and be a fantastic cultural asset.”

    He added that he was a “supporter of the licence fee”

    Mr Cameron said: “If you want to understand climate change, go and see Al Gore’s film, An Inconvenient Truth. Today, I want to tell the British people some uncomfortable truths. There is a price for progress in tackling climate change.”

    Mr Gore praised the role Mr Cameron had played in promoting environmental issues.

    “The fact that both your political parties are competing vigorously to offer solutions is very important,” he told Tory frontbenchers.

    “I can assure you that people around the world really are watching and are appreciating the quality of this debate.”


  116. 116
    Ed Balls says:

    I have a massive one, the biggest in Parliament and the whole of Yorkshire, just ask Ian.

  117. 117

    I believe the original quote was:

    “based on the evidence that a first world lifestyle is more expensive than living in caves and eating your own faeces”,

    but that was rejected on the grounds of excessive truthfulness.

  118. 118
    I hate New Labour says:

    “This election now presents an historic chance to break the Labour Party.”

    I do hope so, I really do.

    However, if Cameron wins, the failed Labour policies will continue ever more. Plus political parties will think that because a Blair clone won, that’s what the electorate want. So we will get oily PR snakes as party leaders forever.

    This is the most depressing election I can ever remember… I want them all to go away, try harder and come back when they’ve got a clue.

  119. 119
    Brown's Buggered Britain says:

    “Clegg isn’t stupid, he won’t want to prop up Gordon Brown . . ”

    Even if Gordon promises him PR?

    I wouldn’t bet on it!

  120. 120
    Mnsgr. St Phoney '£rd Way' Bliar, emoting and wiv stupid grin says:


    Just dropped by to say that My Presence is with you ALWAYS!

    There – isn’t that a comfort?

    And I am very Very VERY RICH!! – all thanks to Noo_Lie_Bore!

    So vote for Gorgon, – and experience that sound of crisp banknotes for yourself!

  121. 121
    Half decent motor says:

    Ok buy a half decent car. Instead of Two grand on a Taxi buy a Two grand car which can then be sold after the journey and most if not all of the money recovered.

  122. 122
    Jacobi says:

    “If Cameron together with Clegg play it right, they can destroy the Labour Party forever.”

    That could be one of the best things ever to happen for Scotland. Labour have held the monopoly in Scotland for generations. All they have managed to do in that time is to turn the country into a slum and increase poverty levels.

  123. 123
    Taxfodder says:

    Nick Clegg will be his own man for the Libdems, both Tory and Nulab intelligentsia know it.

    Clegg was the catalyst, he will only get stronger, and nit picking Lib Dem policies won’t matter either, all the disenchanted electorate is interested in right now, is punishing the Tories and Nulab with the good kicking they so richly deserve.

    The already decaying Tory and Nulab two party cause was crushed last week, anybody with half a brain can see it, Its all over bar the huffing and puffing from those in denial and of course with the most to lose.

    Those that value their political career would do well to shut up and suck up, or start looking for a job.

  124. 124
    sockpuppet #4 says:

    I don’t see how it can happen.

    Balls and Brown can’t agree with, or make sensible compromises with, people from within the labour party.

  125. 125
    I hate New Labour says:

    I agree.

    Clegg *is* stupid. He’s desperate to be important. I just don’t get all this hero worship.

    He’s like a little kid showing off now that he’s been allowed to play with the big children.

    Another politician chosen for his resemblance to Blair and has never had a proper job. How does that represent ‘change’?

  126. 126
    jgm2 says:

    Time to buy one of Brown’s risible books on ‘Courage’ for 1p plus postage. Then see if the vain fucker won’t sign it if you post it to his constituency home.

    Might be worth something if we eventually get around to hanging the useless, mendacious, gurning, economy-wrecking fucker. Although I believe Hitler’s paintings still don’t fetch very much money so Brown’s ghost-written sack of shit vanity publication would be worth even less.

  127. 127
    sockpuppet #4 says:

    It would be “local irresponsibility”.

    Salmon keeps on about how a hung parliment means more tax payer’s money for folks who can swap votes for subsidies.

  128. 128
    Maximus M. Bacillus says:

    It must have been one shitty job, TT. I could not bring myself to do it. I salute you.

    As for the polls, quite apart from pundits’ usual confusions, there seems to be a new confusion between the hoi polloi suddenly getting curious about the Limp Dumbs policies, and voting intention.

  129. 129
    jgm2 says:

    It was Ian Paisley who said ‘Where there’s paupery there’s popery and where there’s popery there’s poverty’.

    He could just as easily have been talking about the Labour Party. Just as it suits the Catholic church to have you shuffling around on your knees, putting money into the plate and being thankful for small mercies while the priests are lording it and worse over the congregation so it is with Labour politicians.

    The last thing Labour wants is to change the lot of their constituents. Keep ‘em on their knees and grateful for the scraps they toss ‘em while denying them the hope or the vision to get the fuck out of these Labour-infested shitholes.

  130. 130
    Maximus M. Bacillus says:

    Your gullibility is so touching. Not.

  131. 131
    Feck Off ZaNuLab says:

    Retrieve the Birch for a starters….!

  132. 132
    Mdame Defarge says:

    I support that. Nuclear has issues but we cannot allow the security of our power supplies to be at risk.

  133. 133
    Nozik says:

    Cameron’s Big Society though it makes sense economically especially in relation to deficit management, it is too ambitious an idea. It is a prod that has spooked the cattle.

  134. 134
    Can't remember my moniker says:

    I am wearing sandals right now but I am not sure that I would want to go much further than that.

  135. 135
    South of the M4 says:

    NuLabour : Destroying Opportunity For All (Except the chosen few).

  136. 136
    The Sleeper says:

    Which is exactly why they will try to cling onto power…they don’t give a shit about democracy.

  137. 137
    Peasant says:

    You are right. Everyone should vote Liberal Democrat!

    (Does anyone know what their policies are? Do they?)

  138. 138
    Seriously though says:

    Clegg will do a deal with Labour, not Brown and certainly not the Cons. Under Lib-Lab, proportional representation will be adopted preventing any future Conservative Governments.


  139. 139
    Population is the Elephant in the room says:

    Nuclear is only a short term fix, same with carbon fuels, it’s the scrabble for resources in the end of a computer game. Population growing at an increasing rate requiring more food and fuel, UK is 10% less self sufficient in food than in 1997, as imports become less and less affordable

  140. 140

    I for one think it a great mistake.

    He’s just doing as he’s told. If they wanted the illusion of a right wing party, they’d give us that illusion. Clearly they don’t, so we get three lots of socialists. Five if you count the B&P and Greens. Plaid… SNP… That’s seven. Sinn Fein eight… The PFJ…

    I’m going to spoil my ballot – decided this morning. But i’m unsure of how to spoil it. I thought “Fuck you all”? or perhaps “This is not a free vote”? Or “This is not democracy”?

    I could just draw a cock on it as usual I suppose.

  141. 141
    The LibDems caught out bullshitting the electorate again says:

    The LibDems will never go into a coalition with the Tories. Clegg’s grassroots would never allow it.

    So “Obama” Clegg will despite all his protestations go into coalition with a Labour government headed by Brown and the predicted total disaster for the UK will begin in earnest. But the electorate can’t say they haven’t been warned as they start to see interest/mortgage rates rise as the UK’s credit rating is downgraded and the pouns starts to plummet. Even that nice Mr Cable will have to sack thousands and thousands of public service workers and start draconian cuts of front line services as matters worsen

  142. 142
    NotaSheep says:

    Nice try but the “I agree with Nick” comments by Gordon Brown and the way that Peter Mandelson was ‘bigging up’ Nick Clegg immediately after the debate leads me think otherwise.

  143. 143
    Peter Sutcliffe says:

    I’ve never voted Lib Dem before but I like their idea of giving people like me the vote.

  144. 144
    Mr Ned says:

    “a hung parliament means no more first past the post”

    How ironic it is that he FPTP system looks set to deliver a ‘third past the post’ result to usher in permanent left-liberalism and financial catastrophe.

    It is not the FPTP system that is wrong, it is the massively biased seating Boundaries. We should string up the Boundaries commission as part of the great revolution!

  145. 145
    I hate New Labour says:

    I don’t know…

    I don’t think *anything* will remove Brown other than serious electoral defeat. He is clearly oblivious to what’s right, instead he places his personal greed for power above all else.

    Clegg will do a deal with Brown because he’s close to playing with the big boys and he’ll sacrifice any principal to achieve that.

    Also, I’m not sure Labour would be too keen on removing an electoral system that sees them coming third and still holding office.

  146. 146
    cyberbrits says:

    Miss Goldie accused the Lib Dems of misleading voters, before reminding her audience that a “clegg” is the Scots word for a horsefly.


  147. 147
    Fat Bloke on Tour says:

    Electoral Reform @ 10.47

    UKIP vs Tories
    The split is based on their attitude to the political issues of “Colour”.

    Tories = Aristocratic anemia
    UKIP = RKS “Orange” or NF “Sunflower Symphony No.4″

  148. 148
    Mr Ned says:

    Agreed! However, now we are facing a coalition government, IF we get PR, at least the UKIP and B&P will be happy. A vote for them would not be wasted.

  149. 149
    Mr Ned says:

    They know that a LibDem surge is their last and only chance of staying in power, due entirely to the utterly fucked up and biased and flawed and rigged seat boundaries. If the Lib dem support collapses in the next two weeks, and returns to the tories, then labour are fucked!

  150. 150
    Seriously though says:

    Mandelson will have Brown out in a blink of an eye if Clegg demands it (which he should/will do if he wants to retain any credibility)

    Take your point on PR though….

  151. 151
    Moley says:

    Open your eyes to the BBC news.

    News item about gas prices. Cue footage of kettle on gas stove.

    News item about petrol prices. Cue footage of petrol station and picture of car exhaust.

    Sit people in front of a TV screen and they will watch anything.

    I don’t pay my licence fee, I don’t watch TV and since TV stopped in our family my daughter has taken up reading and her grammar and spelling (which were very poor) has improved by leaps and bounds.

    The biggest public service the BBC could do is turn themselves off; permanently.

    The political debates have done for politics what TV did for my daughter’s literacy.

  152. 152
    Bollocks! says:

    Libs are anti-tory, even if clegg and some of his MPs are not, his Party is very left- wing. He cannot ignore that. Middle -England may actually recognise this and will not want to see Labour as the dominant governing party propped up by the fib dems in perpatuity. That is why they won’t be voting lib dem.

  153. 153
    Mr Ned says:

    They want to give paedoofyles the vote too. Well, why not as they will most likely legalise it anyway!

  154. 154
    Brown's Buggered Britain says:

    He’d cut a deal with Brown if he had too – otherwise sounds about right.

  155. 155
    Mr Ned says:

    You have a funny definition of popular. They will have less votes and less seats than the “unpopular” tories!

  156. 156
    Third rule of propaganda: repeat the line says:

    He is better than a candidate for a party, ampers. He is a propagandist for one.
    Count the number of pro Conservative posts and anti Lib Dem and Labour ones on this site.
    Therein lies the answer to Guido’s political allegiance.

  157. 157
    Seriously though says:

    Just had a scary thought – big vote for Lib Dem – Brown out, Clegg backs Milliband for PM in return for policies…

    I actually dont know if this is feasible – is it? anyone? Let it be ‘no’….

  158. 158
    I hate New Labour says:

    Yep, you’re right.

    Nobody will take to the streets.

    The days of Poll Tax rioting are over.

  159. 159
    Ripple says:

    ..I agree..I disapair when Cameroon talks about increasing real spending on the NHS…spending has gone from £51bln in 1997 to £12bln today. These are inlation adjusted numbers.

  160. 160
    Mr Ned says:

    Government put on hold for a year whilst the tories get a real and patriotic conservative who would give us the EU referendum and get the boundary seats sorted?

    Or would PR be the very first item on the agenda?

  161. 161
    Ripple says:

    sorry £122bln

  162. 162
    Brown's Buggered Britain says:

    Clegg wants one thing and one thing only – PR – he’d kiss the Brown bottom to achieve that.

  163. 163
    I hate New Labour says:

    God, no.

    Mind you, remember how spineless Miliband was when he had a great chance to dispose Brown a year ago… ‘Bottling’ seems be in the Labour DNA.

  164. 164
    Forth rule of propaganda: refer to first three rules says:

    I thought you were a UKIP supporter Mr Ned?
    Please refer to propaganda rule number 1) Get your story straight.

  165. 165
    Moley says:

    I don’t understand that either.

    Who is propping up the pound? Could it be the nationalised banks by any chance?

  166. 166
    Anon says:

    Oh, so now the Tories want to do deals?
    I suppose that is progress. Desperate progress but progress nonetheless.

  167. 167
    streamfisher says:

    The argument is rational (Guido’s) but given a shipload of pirates anything can happen and probably will.

  168. 168
    I hate New Labour says:

    Hell will freeze over before PR is introduced. Clegg can want it as much as he likes, not gonna happen.

    You can just imagine the arguments against it; ‘minority undesirable parties have no place in British politics’…

  169. 169
    Mr Ned says:

    The Boundary commission has fallen way behind on the scale of immigration.

    Labour has been impeding them too and slowing down the pace of amending the borders.

  170. 170
    Moley says:

    Sorry; but the Scottish Labour Party won’t be destroyed, it will continue.

    Whatever Government comes in to Westminster, one of their priorites will be to quarantine Scottish labour so that they can never, ever, ever have any influence over English politics again.

  171. 171
    Another Engineer says:

    Yes, but, half of them seem to have ‘run out of money’, so can’t afford it.

    They’ve probably spent their last 50p on a holiday.

    No wonder we are screwed.

  172. 172
    Moley says:

    Clegg will do a deal with Mandelson.

    If Brown insists on using his powers to stay in office he will suffer the same kind of “accidental death” that litters English history.

  173. 173
    Victoria Anne D'Albert says:

    amazing what studying archaelogy and anthropology can do for you isn’t it?

  174. 174
    Moley says:

    Sorry, natural causes.

    Heart failure. e.g his heart stopped when we cut off his head.

  175. 175
    Anonymous says:

    While capitalism marches forward, triumphantly proven to be the better alternative. Err…

  176. 176
    Mr Ned says:

    Who the fuck will they prosecute IF the sun has a temper tantrum and the global temperature increases? or if there is an increase in undersea volcanoes erupting pushing up the temperature of the oceans from below or any of the myriad different ways that climate changes naturally?

    I can see the court case now, ‘Her Majesty Vs Gaia’

    Fucking numpty bastards!

  177. 177
    sockpuppet #4 says:

    Sounds very unlikely. The general public doesnt notice a 1 or 2 % shift in the £ (apart from in petrol prices but thats the oil companies fault innit?), and the small improvement hasn’t been heralded by the media (and neither it should be, small, short term fluctuations (Either way!) really seem to mean bugger all these days).

    I’d suggest its a lifting of excessive pessimism, and the idea that a Lib-con coalition isn’t going to do QE, and would at least take some measures to balance the books. The merkets will change their mind soon. perhaps when it rains a bit.

  178. 178
    Thats MISTER pleb to you! says:

    Quite right. Take to the streets, and miss X Factor?

  179. 179

    […] and the UK as a whole. But the question remains, who should the Lib Dems prop-up: the party whose supporters are calling for Labour to be destroyed forever, who destroyed British industry and left Scotland with decades of social problems, or the party who […]

  180. 180
    sockpuppet #4 says:

    where are you supposed to buy this half decent car? Spain/italy/southern France?

    And you have all the paperwork for the car. and the insurance documents.
    And you sell it within 2 hours of arriving in the port of Dover?

  181. 181
    Minekiller says:

    I cannot believe that Clegg will contemplate propping up McDoom or work as Deputy PM to any of the Nutjobs that remain in the NuLabia Cabinet should one of them, say Harman or Balls (if he survives the election) – or even Milliband (D not E).

    Further, given the LibDems position on Iraq or Afghanistan, I cannot see Clegg maintaining the party who got us into those dogpiles of shit, in government.

    Third, given Labours promises then knife jobs on the Lib Dems in the past, why on earth would Clegg trust them now? Is he really going to work with what will post-election likely to be a hard-left Unite-Labour party, bent on outmoded and nasty ‘class war’ and leave him and his party vulnerable to the machinations of the likes of Mandelson, Campbell and Whelan?

    Would he ally himself with a party which north of the border is being filleted almost daily with revelations about its connections with organised crime? Or the party with MPs facing criminal charges under the Theft Act for (allegedly) stealing public money?

    Clegg surely sees his chance to effect permanent damage on Labour (and thus sweet revenge) while pulling the Tories in from right field. Despite their own problems the Tories are a broader church than tribal and whipped in Labour, and a coalition may even allow some of the nationalist parties to get to seats of power if a ConLib coalition needs support form them too and like the SNP or the Ulster Unionists are anti-Labour.

    It may be that the ‘new politics’ emerging (if at all) are yes, anti-the system because of the recent expenses scandal – but moreover anti-Labour than anything. Clegg would be well advised to steer clear of Labour under any circumstances.

    Still, who knows, these seem to be strange times, but I don’t believe the polls for a second. I think people are having fun deliberately deceiving pollsters.

  182. 182
    Sol says:

    I think he is unwilling to say it because he wants to keep his options open. I imagine he would prefer to work with Labour, despite what Guido thinks, and will find the justification for that choice once the situation presents itself. Ultimately I imagine the justification will be that he will be in a strong position to push through electoral reform in coalition with Labour. Short term pain for long term gain.

    Cosying up to the Tories because they represent “change” for its own sake is pointless. I could cut my arm off right now – that would be change. It doesnt make it desirable.

  183. 183
    Budgie says:

    Unfortunately a LibCon means we are locked into the EU until it falls apart and we will be growing windmills, not beef, in England’s green and pleasant land, all lit by candlelight when the IMF roll up.

  184. 184
    Budgie says:

    “I agree with Nick” – it’s the right thing to do for hardworking British bankers.

  185. 185
    Budgie says:

    Tickle Duster said: “Cons & Libs are pro Liberty & Capital.” That is nonsense. LibDems are centralising and authoritarian just like ZaNu Lab; they just don’t suffer ZaNu’s delusion that people are perfectible (well, ZaNu’s idea of perfectible) by social engineering.

    Like the Tories the LibDems are sold on the twin hoaxes: global warming and the EU. The LibLabCon just keeps the same people in power.

  186. 186
    Barnabas Scudamore says:

    Mr Clegg will crumble in the next few weeks.

    What kind of background did the person who broke the expenses scandal have?

    Her Majesty’s men are all around. Indeed my local vicar is one of Her Majesty’s men – something he makes no secret of.

    Yes, Mr Clegg will be discredited in the next few weeks, that’s my “guess” for what it’s worth !

  187. 187
    Mr Angry says:

    Labour, the LibDems and the Cameron clique are all just different shades of the same types of total wankers.

    There is no hope left for Britain, will the last one out please turn off the lights.

  188. 188
    Budgie says:

    The fifth rule of propaganda is when in a hole stop digging. No one is fooled by your assumption that everyone is a Tory who does not support ZaNuLabour. The tenor of this site is anti-statist.

  189. 189
    Smig says:

    Told you before numbnuts, the one hanging off your forehead doesn’t count.

    Now get me a cup of tea you boorish oaf. And don’t forget the biscuits this time you fuckwit.

  190. 190
    Stop Funding The Labour Party Spin Machine With My Licence Fee says:

    And the big problem is nor the the great unwashed. As long as they get their dole cheque to buy the stella with and sit in front of the plasma, that’s all that matters

  191. 191
    Smig's been watching RoboCop again says:

    I’d buy that for a dollar!

  192. 192

    […] is interesting and generous here about Liberal Democrat MP’s: As Tories scream and point to Lib-Lab councils and the bearded […]

  193. 193
    Anonymous says:

    We’re fucked.

  194. 194
    Anon says:

    You better tell David Cameron about propaganda rule number 5) as he is digging himself into an electoral grave right now.
    But I shall take no lessons from you on propaganda.
    As far as propaganda goes I am number 1.
    Someone has to be.

  195. 195
    Brown's Buggered Britain says:

    The arguments against are clear – but if Gordon has to choose between resignation and remaining PM with LibDem support – I think I know which way it will go.

  196. 196

    Catchy book title, isn’t it?
    I am on chapter 85 of the moment and am only half way throught the first draft.

  197. 197
    David Cameron says:

    I am sorry but if it is a hung parliament I will have to resign. Gordon Brown is well hung (Margaret Beckett even says he is 7 inches ). Clegg also has an average to large sized willy as I followed him into the Commons toilets to have a look. Yet I have a small willy, Samantha says she doesn’t mind, but I do. The law states that to participate in a hung parliament, MPs must be average to well hung (basically 5 inches plus). I struggle to make 3 inches on some nights. Alas, a hung parliament is not for me :(


  198. 198
    g1lgam3sh says:

    It’s the least worst alternative

  199. 199
    TheDevineOne says:

    Your just a penis, and nowt else.

  200. 200
    Jacobi says:

    There is no such entity as the Scottish Labour Party. What you have is the Labour Party, full stop.

    Labour in Scotland is merely another branch of the London run Labour Party. It is under the same incompetent leader as every other mismanaged branch of Labour throughout the UK.

  201. 201
    Wedgwood says:

    Con-Lib coalition has run Birmingham City Council for years, to good effect:


    I am a long standing Conservative voter – but would rather see a Con-Lib coalition, if we have to accept PR at least we can ensure it is not a system that favours Labour.

  202. 202
    Amateur Body Language Expert says:

    So from what you’re saying Guido, the defining image of the election could come from the last moments of the first leaders’ debate, when Gordon dived into the crowd to press the flesh, rudely leaving Dave & Nick stood on the stage. Nick looked at Dave as if to say, “What do we do?”. Dave indicated they’d better do the same, and so they did.

  203. 203

    […] Nick Clegg should not be tempted to support this rag bag administration after election day. He should be there to bury the New Labour experiment. Only by rejecting Gordon Brown decisively and electing a wide range of opinion in the Commons can […]

  204. 204
    Blue Lady says:

    Would it be too difficult for a Tory Government to make sure every MP has roughly the same number of constituents thus ending this undemocratic bias against them. Why have they never done it when in power? NuLiebore received a majority at the last GE on only 3% more votes than Tories. To add insult to injury, in England, the only country denied devolution by our unelected Scottish PM, the Tories received more votes and yet NuLiebore ended up with 92 extra English MPs?????????!!!!!!!

  205. 205
    Blue Lady says:

    Clegg may have been a Conservative once but his left wing party would never allow a Lib-Con pact. Also McMentallist will offer him literally anything if he can stay in power. We know our PM has no principles but if Clegg has any he should join the party which receives the popular vote ie. Tories and not the one with the most seats but probably the least popular vote. i.e. NuLiebore.

  206. 206
    Blue Lady says:

    Because NuLiebore have prevented them from doing so in the last 13 years. Why would they want to change a system that is so biased towards them, that would require a sense of fair play, something they know absolutely nothing about.

  207. 207
    Blue Lady says:

    What about their amnesty for illegal immigrants, no prison sentences for criminals, getting rid of our nuclear deterrant, etc. etc.

  208. 208
    Robby Internet says:

    BBC eat their own words:

  209. 209
    Robby Internet says:

    Sorry wrong vid, BBC eat their words:

  210. 210
    Momentum says:

    Guido, did I not read Daniel Hannan saying that the Lib Dems almost always voted with Labour in the Telegraph blog the other day. Now you are suggesting they are more Conservative than Labour. If the Lib Dems do get in a position where they can form a Government with either party and they go with Labour I for one will start working my balls off for a “Revolution”.

    So are you saying that Daniel Hannan, one of the few people many of us think could run a truly “conservative” Conservative party is now just another bullshitting politician.

  211. 211
    Momentum says:

    I might have meant Boris Johnson rather than Daniel Hannan. Well whatever – is Cleggy a sensible guy or an overspending fuckwit like all the Labour *****

  212. 212
    Ruth Kelly's plaything says:

    If by some chance Dave does win this time, there are plenty in his party who will push him to the right. The unknown quantity is all the babes, Muslims and other oddities that CCHQ has inflicted on local party associations.

    If he should lose, he’ll be out and David Davis or some other serious Conservative will take over and the Tories will move to the right. They will then win the following election, but only after a lot more folly and extra debt.

    Meanwhile, the nation seems in the grip of some media circus that will decide which of the leaders is to be evicted from the Big Brother House. Piss off, Paxman; this way Davina McCall.

    What a way for a once-great country to behave.

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    Ruth Kelly's plaything says:

    Love to – if only the climate could support human life.

    Their banks work, the national debt is (I think) tiny and they benefit from all that trade with Uncle Sam – not to mention incredible deposite of minerals.

    And, apart from the stroppy frogs in Quebec, they are a civilised, quiet, civic-minded and peace-loving people. And Niagara Falls looks better from their side, too.

  214. 214

    […] Cameron and Co shouldn’t worry about the Lib-Dem poll surge – even if it does continue (and there are signs it is dying out) the Lib Dems are nearer the Conservative policy than Labour. […]

  215. 215
    Postlethwaite says:

    What was the pretty pictures all about?
    I think the individual or group that put it together are in the wrong game.
    Turner arts prize material, nothing scientific at all.


  216. 216
    Nick Clegg's Nan's Beaver says:

    “Haitch Queue”

    It is “Aitch” for the love of God.

    Speak properly Guido.

  217. 217

    […] the other side of the aisle, it only took populist-libertarian Tory cheerleader Guido Fawkes a day or two longer to start publicly revelling in the rise of Clegg and fantasising about a […]

  218. 218

    […] the graphic at Order-Order: the LibDems used to vote in parliament more like Labour, but over the life of the Blair-Brown […]

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Alan Milburn says Labour’s scaremongering campaign for an unreformed NHS will not win election…

“It would be a fatal mistake, in my view, for Labour to go into this election looking as though it is the party that would better resource the National Health Service but not necessarily put its foot to the floor when it comes to reforming. Look, reforms are not easy, but the Labour Party is not a conservative party. It should be about moving things forward not preserving them in aspic. You have got a pale imitation actually of the 1992 general election campaign, and maybe it will have the same outcome. I don’t know.”

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