Clegg : Winning Here!
On Tuesday Guido predicted that Clegg would be the big winner, and so it came to pass. Bad Al Campbell and Mandy must now realise that they have an impossible job to do in polishing the turd that is Gordon Brown. Mrs Fawkes was scathing about the stiffness of Dave who did seem to be playing it safe too much. Labour and Tory spinners are reluctantly conceding victory to Clegg, before saying their guy came second.
In reality the slightly more objective measures, the immediate reaction polls, are unanimously scoring it Clegg first, Cameron second and Gordon last.
The focus group reactions will be studied carefully in the party campaign HQs and the leaders messages will be recalibrated for next Thursday accordingly. The punters’ smart money at specialist bookmakers Political Smarkets went from heavily backing Cameron to making Clegg favourite to win the debate half-way through the ninety minutes. Punters this morning reckon there is a 25% chance Clegg will win all three debates and a 60% chance that Brown will win none. Guido thinks that it is a racing certainty that Brown is a no hoper in the debates…
Out working all day yesterday in Germany. Did not get back till late. Nothing important happened, did it?
We’re all courting Lib Dems together.
Watched it in HD. They did an awful job on Dave’s make up, It was like a smooth veneer that kept cracking.
Stage managed Propaganda. The US are drowning in the same Crap. Nothing changes ask the MUG’s that bought into the OBAMA CHANGE. Has he pulled out of IRAQ. NO. Has he closed GITMO, NO, This is democracy today, our countries aren’t ran by these Actors, so why fucking believe it. The Country is being ran by a bunch of WAR mongers who have used all our assets to Smash the world up.
The antichrist is here.
Good to see that it’s a completely independent audience that is local.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/election/article-1266377/Return-schoolboy-inquisitor-Jewish-youngster-confronted-Nick-Griffin-Question-Time-demands-answers-leaders.html
“His inclusion last night raises questions about the stage managing of the audience.
One of the 76 rules of the TV debates is that the audience is supposed to come from within a 30-mile radius of the host city, in the case Manchester.
Yet the teenager attends Jewish Free School in Brent, north London – a good 200 miles from last night’s studio.”
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/election/article-1266377/Return-schoolboy-inquisitor-Jewish-youngster-confronted-Nick-Griffin-Question-Time-demands-answers-leaders.html
“His inclusion last night raises questions about the stage managing of the audience.
One of the 76 rules of the TV debates is that the audience is supposed to come from within a 30-mile radius of the host city, in the case Manchester.
Yet the teenager attends Jewish Free School in Brent, north London – a good 200 miles from last night’s studio.”
Yawn.
You know you shouldn’t stay up on a school night drinking all those fizzy drinks. now you’ve wet the bed and will be tired all day!
You only have yourself to blame.
Cameriod came last, his nose a pube hair from browns arse hole,
So much for the “experts”, in the know, tory supporters on here.
None of the liblabcon beauties are going to get a clear mandate, none.
The electorate have had enough, a pox on all their houses.
Its time for the Others to to be heard.
here is a prediction for the final poll on 6th may
cons=34
liars= 30
dumbs= 18
others=18
crunch that
Eh?
The Sun-wot-won-it says “Kettles is the winner”:
“THE debate was a big telly ratings loser, initial figures suggested. There was a 150 megawatt electricity surge when it ended at 10pm – with 60,000 kettles turned on.
But soaps EastEnders and Emmerdale had sparked a 1,000 megawatt surge when their credits rolled earlier at 8pm – equivalent to 400,000 kettles.”
Lib Lab Con are just one party. A vote for any of the three hucksters is a waste.
No they are not! The Lab part is run by Ghastly Gordon and I want to kick him all the way back to Scotland. My hatred of Brown is my animus – I simply don’t care about anything other than giving the nasty bully a damn good kicking!
I want Brown out more than anyone.
Have a look at http://www.rockthevote.co.uk
Nigel Farage tells us who REALLY won the “leaders” debate….. if it existed, the apathy party.
Quite frankly, I agree with Nigel, the debate was not a debate, it was p-poor television moderated by a p-poor presenter who refused to reign in Gordon Brown form his constant talking longer than his alloted time.
It was a draw between Cameron and Clegg, and Brown was his usual clunking fist self – hopeless, even got in a pathetic ans stupid Ashcroft comment, shows how much a small mind Gordon has as he did not bother to answer the question put to him.
There was one positive. I was obliged to watch a superior programme last night’ – ‘Chimps do the Funniest Things’ on Lobotomy TV.
During the ad breaks I switched to the leaders’ debate……….after a short while it became hard to tell the difference between the shows. This set me thinking -if a thousand monkeys could type a coherent sentence given enough time – surely they could also come up with a workable economic policy before Broon and Co?
I think a few quid on bananas and round the clock chimp shit shovelling in Westminster are worthwhile trade offs.
Perhaps the leaders debates should be rebadged as -’Planet of the Fakes’
Did my comment post first time?? Anyway, Nigel Farage on who won the leaders debate.
Mc Mental has a frightening smile when he’s criticised about ID cards.
Never noticed that last night. The chuckle at the end sounded a bit sinister I thought.
Volcanic eruption in Iceland. But not much else. A dog crossed the road just after lunch, and a lorry drove through town.
Will the “Mass Debates” change anyones vote? I don’t think so.
So Clegg won the “Mass Debate” with his hand in his pocket.
It will have an impact, especially if the MSM keep giving it to Clegg on a plate.
Time perhaps to examine the policies of the LDs more closely.
The LDs want to give control of asylum policy to the EU for example – now that would be sensible (NOT!).
It would be truly terrifying if the Lib Dems won the election – imagine the panic in their eyes as they realise the dumbass public have believed they could deliver any of their Disneyesque policies! Piss up and brewery spring to mind.
On the other hand, a few years as the main opposition might not do them any harm, likewise having Labour as the third party would be appropriate retribution for all the havoc they have created.
Exactly, if for no other reason than to see what’s left of leibour after the annihilation forced to huddle off to the side as an afterthought during PMQs. A term as the official opposition would sharpen the libdems for the next election whilst keeping the main party, the tories, on their toes. Fuck, if they ditched their insane turd-in-a-trifle giveaway to Europe policy they might even have a chance of forming a government.
How should you vote if you wanted this outcome? Even though you don’t want the libdems in, is it safe to go for them to make them second?
Changed mine.
And mine
Changed mine, I now think the three party system is bollox.
Why weren’t all the other parties allowed to be included in this sham?
Sham? But pre-scripted questioning of the over rehearsed, media determined “leaders” of the country in a tightly controlled environment is evidence of a thriving “democracy” is it not?
Makes me want to vote for Monster Raving Looney Party or the Independents, anyone but these three, and I didn’t even watch the debate. This is the death of our semi-democratic elected oligarchy.
159. You reall are a Knob Head.
Nick Clegg won, in the sense that when Manchester United play Chelsea, there’s one guy who always wins – the guy who sells pies. Everybody likes a pie, and people aren’t actually too fussed about what’s inside, as long as it’s served nice and warm, but the number of pies sold is completely irrelevant to the contest.
wise words, my friend…
Brilliant allegory.
Nick Clegg = amiable headmaster, not prime ministerial or statesmanlike. Did anyone actually listen to his policies? Poor Blackburn Rovers won’t be able to buy that player from overseas, because as PM Nick would tell them than he can only play for Plymouth Argyle or Buckie Thistle because they haven’t had as much immigration there.
I wanted to throw a Chicken & Mushroom at Brown. It would have improved his features. Seriously though I agree with your point and lets be clear Clegg is in a win win position with the debates. Moreover the Liberal are a lot more further to the left than the Labour on 90% of the issues. However, there is a good reason they have not seen Government in close on 70 years their policies are crap. You can promise the World if you have no real chance of ever having to implement them. Their stance on Europe is a joke and never never forget if the Limp/Dems were in power we would have signed away everything to the EU and had the Euro as our currency today – Hello, Greece springs to mind and we would be in a much worse position economically. Never thought I would say that given the handling of the economy under NuLabour but getting rid of the pound would have killed us and everyone knows it. Then there is lets throw away our nuclear deterrent and we don’t won’t anything for it just do not wan’t to spend the money. Mr. Clegg your first and overriding responsibility is the protection of the citizens you represent. Surely no reasonably minded person will vote for a cardboard cut-out of a party leader. All smoke, mirrors, talk and zero substance.
Now, if Farage and Spiffin were on, it would have been a debate, as it was, a beauty contest without any beauties.
We need to see all the candidates, or none at all. Why should we just see these three stuffed shirts! Democracy is being stiffled by the Media. Bring back the hustings, get the bast**ds to work for their seats.
Its right ExKaliber, you really are a knob of the first order.
Agreed. C4 or ITV should quickly arrange an alternative debate with Griffin, Farage and some bird from the Greens. No holds barred. I’d tune in.
Too risky for the main parties and the MSM, they are terrified of any alternative voices being heard. The cosy stitch up would unravel faster than the Global Warming scam, if real policies, that real people are interested in, were aired.
Didn’t watch the debate- could not care less. F’ks sake i KNOW who i’m voting for come polling day(not f’ng LibDem-o-twat). The past 5 years of this turd of a government have been appalling and that should be enough to spur people to the polls, not some half arsed debate chaired by a Dimbleby.
Simples isn’t it:
Vote LD, get Turd Brown
Vote UKIP, get Turd Brown
Only option is to vote for Shiny Dave to get rid of Turd Brown.
Once Turd Brown has been flushed back to Scotland which truly deserves him, then and only then can we start to hold Shiny Dave to account.
Correct.Vote Fib Dem and get another five years of Brown.Simples.
The debate wasn’t chaired by Dimbleby. Just like a Tory boy to get the facts wrong.
To anyone with a brain, “Dimbleby” is used as a generic, rather than a specific, term. Old Codger has the right of it Alistair wotismane was the personification of an incompetent Dimbleby.
Absolute bollocks. It was stated because the idiot Tory didn’t his facts right – a bit like most of your postings.
Bell-end
A Vote for TweedleClegg is a Vote for TweedledumBrown
Brown all night was cosying up the Clegg and on several occasions Clegg looked astonished as if to say in a minute he is going to come over and kiss me, Brown that is. And the look was WTF do I do then join in but must not use tongues on live TV. It was toe curling, I’m sure this and I’m sure that – Nick will of course agree with ME. And there is Clegg thinking NO the f*ck I don’t. It was a joke, the NuLabour party spend PMQ’s shouting down the guy (Clegg) at every single opportunity and then in the first debate of its kind wan’t to go to bed with him. If nothing else surely the viewers twigged that. Brown is a complete phoney I have known it for 13 years and nothing he ever does changes my opinion of him. A loathesome individual.
Think Clegg would be used to have old codgers cosying up to him – he’s had Vince giving him the eye.
Indeed, but Blair is worse than Brown.
What a non event! Still maintain that they should just sort the whole thing out with strapons. Lord knows they’ve had enough practice in screwing us all over the years.
The only line in the debate worth anything was Caneron saying “one in four pounds being spent was borrowed”
They were discussing building regulations when there is a debt warhead in the air.
This whole debate smacks of The Stiff Little Fingers song – Suspect Device. So here are the lyrics.
Their solutions are our problems
They put up the wall
On each side time and prime us
And make sure we get fuck all
They play their games of power
They mark and cut the pack
They deal us to the bottom
But what do they put back?
[Chorus:]
Don’t believe them
Don’t believe them
Don’t be bitten twice
You gotta suss, suss, suss, suss, suss out
Suss suspect device
They take away our freedom
In the name of liberty
Why don’t they all just clear off
Why won’t they let us be
They make us feel indebted
For saving us from hell
And then they put us through it
It’s time the bastards fell
[Chorus]
Don’t believe them
Don’t believe them
Question everything you’re told
Just take a look around you
At the bitterness and spite
Why can’t we take over and try to put it right
YouGov also asked:
Who would make best Prime Minister?
Cameron 39%
Brown 29%
Clegg 26%
So maybe who won the debating contest doesn’t matter. Who is perceived as the best potential PM does – and Dave seems to be winning that.
Absolutely, based on who was the best candidate for PM.
Gorgon was weird and unpleasant,
Clegg jumped about making ridiculously trite statements,
Cameron spoke sense and looked like a PM.
Perhaps I won’t be voting Ukip after all.
Best not – UKIP are a bunch of real weirdos. But then so are the Tories.
so are engineers….
We are going to need all the Engineers we can get in the coming years and indeed many other professionals and entreprenuers. Its the John Terry types we can do without and that is coming from a Chelsea supporter since I was knee high and yes it was a long time ago. Let’s be really honest there was only one person (Cameron) who you would want to represent this country and you can argue he did not go for trite or populist lines but he did give a real persona of being ready to lead. Unlike the other two.
Actually the real weirdos are of the left.
Narcissistic Personality Disorder is an entry requirement into believing you can spend other peoples money better than the people that earn the money (Marxism).
Cameron was good, steady rather than sparkling. Clegg was a bit salesman-ish or televangical, but clearly resonated with viewers who perhaps haven’t seen much of him. Brown was a shambles….his joke about Ashcroft clunked and his clumsy attacks on Cameron failed.
I agree completely with that. Brown was awkward and clearly can’t tell a joke as witnessed last night, he has no personality whatsoever. In fact cringe is a very appropriate word.
Clegg came across as the average bloke in the pub = 8/10,
but what he said it was pathetic, bloke in a pub stuff,
like we will control where immigrants go = 2/10.
we will control where immigrants go
Back where they came from?
No, it’s much more sophisticated than that. What they’ll do is allow the immigrants in on the basis that they live in one particular area only, and ask them (really nicely) not to move out of that area; simples. It will work a treat…
No – you missed the point the Lib/Dems are going to ring fence them in. What an idiotic stance on what is a very serious problem. That is the problem you can have wacky and give away ideas when there is not a cat in hells chance of you ever having to put them in place.
I reckon if we dispense with Border controls altogether, most of the electorate that aren’t on benefits will be queuing up to leave. How about a follow-up show called ‘I’m a Voter, Get me out of Here’ where the prize is to go and live wherever else you want in the world.
So this place for immigrants, I guess it won’t be a prison, so they’ll have to do something to restrict their (and British citizens) free movement.
Mad on a stick. Countries have borders. Filter people for quality there. Leave any organisation that claims control over your border.
Lib Dims – idiocy on a stick.
Tried that already in Peterborough – fucked up that city totally. Migrants are living in shanty towns there – while the council builds fountains costing 6 million quid and claims water taxis will solve traffic congestion.
No school places left and difficult to find a GP. Ok Clegg – you go and live there for six months and see what your shit policy means in reality.
Smug fuckwit – promising to buy everyone a drink,then fucking off without paying.
Brown – weirdo who wants to by us all a drink so we like him. We say thanks mate and still think he’s a weirdo.
Cameron -won’t be in the pub ‘cos he prefers the wine bar.
To my mind Gordon Brown won this, hands down…
Say what you like about the man but when the other two are obviously nervous and apprehensive ahead of the debate, it tells us everything we need to know about Gordon’s character that he’s comfortable enough to pop a few happy pills before going out to face the public.
His display of gurning and itchy-feet, not being able to stand still or keep his face in control when the camera’s weren’t directly on him, was masterful to behold. I’m only sorry that music wasn’t allowed, denying us the opportunity see him throw a couple of shapes while the other two floundered over their lines…
Vote Labour – medication for all.
So the winner is …… the drugs industry. (Not for the first time!)
I used to know a teacher who regarded a lesson as a success if no-one had been punched and nothing was broken.
By similar criteria Gordon Brown was indeed very sucessful.
Gordon isn’t even capable of being a shapeshifter
just a bit shifty
Keep taking the medication – you obviously need it if you believe the utter bollox you have written.
I bet you wouldn’t have the courage to dose yourself up on horse tranquillisers before going on live tv!?
For this alone, Gordon is to be applauded.
That why he was spouting horsesh*t!
It was entertaining,Gordon reminiscent of that bloke in the Carry On films who made the sudden involuntary movements,Nick Clegg playing Mr Angry,and David Cameron staring horrified into the far distance beyond the cameras as though expecting the Daleks to make an entrance.The laugh Gordon got was at him for being interrupted, not for him.The post debate Labour spin parroted by Postman Pat,Yvette Cooper etc is Clegg for style,Brown for substance,the usual contempt for voter intelligence.Labour substance is brown substance.Looking forward to the next one.
I wouldn’ read too much into the instant polls. Even those who have no intention of voting Liberal could quite easily reflect that Clegg had won the debates by his ‘plague on all your houses’ approach.
Accepting that he perfomed well in the debate, does not equate to ‘I’m voting for Clegg’.
Then we have to wait for detailed analysis of what was actually said. If there is any in the press, many of the things which the candidates said might unravel severely. Brown should be heavily cebsured for the use of the police stat which was pulled by the ASA. I also wonder if Clegg will take a hit on the economic figures he used which don’t seem to add up.
The real winner may not yet be clear.
What has astonished me is the absence of any voting intention polling results in the aftermath of the debate. I’ve seen one mentioned here but noone has given it any prominence.
The reality is that even if Clegg won, it probably won’t affect voting intentions proportionately.
The important question is not who won the debate but who is on course to win the election.
Labour has the election in the bag
I have reason to believe that you are not the the same Mad Frankie Haddock as has posted here frequently in the past. I believe you to be Charlie Whelan and I claim my second £1million pound donation for today as I am still, for the moment, impersonating the Labour Party.
Correct sir !
Morning Frankie,
Just think: Charlie Whelan has got less money in his Unite Accounts than does a certain T Bliar has in his Windrush No 2 LLP! Don’t you think that it must irritate the hell out of Charlie?
That’s because they are supported by shady bag carriers
We’re in good shape.
Totally agree.
I still think the message getting through to alot of voters is a vote for Libdems is a vote for 5 more years of Liebour. Clegg tried to distance himself from that but Brown wouldn’t let him.
Brown wanted to make love to Clegg there on stage. Now that would have been good telly – no on second thoughts that would have been bad telly.
Yeah, Brown is the shit sticking to the LibDem blanket. The Tories need to remind everyone that it’s therefore a shitty blanket.
well listening to sky you would have thought Clegg is now PM.
Why is the media drugged up on poll this, poll that, the poll of polls do we really want a hung parliment just by the media is they do.
The Media are bigging this up, as they want to run the whole election from now on – there will be no small parties, just the BIG three – Lib/Con/Lab, Sky and the BBC. And the main loosers will be us – they’ll tax us out of existence.
The Beeb will always back Labour because they are public sector and rely on the Telllytax whereas the Tories will probably sell the Beeb of to the Yanks to rise some cash. Sky will tend to scratch the back of whoever is most likely to scratch them back in typical Murdoch style so it will be the Tories this time. Hence nobody else gets a look in.
Cameron and Brown were like two boys bickering in the back of a car while Clegg was trying to drive.
right over a cliff, while telling everyone this his “new style of driving” will be good for us and is just what we need…
when your midair and going to the scrap heap!!!
You did not watch the same programme that I did.
Brown started digging at Dave who refused to bite until Gordon started telling porkies.
Dave in fact tried hard to get policy across and not get personal all night.
Clegg on the other hand put his head down and charged slagging off the other two on the basis that verbal diarrhoea would win the day and guess what? it did.
I did have the sound off!
I had the telly off. Make the buggers come to us. Why make it easier for them! They should be ready for anything we throw at them – especially rotten tomatoes, bad eggs and horseshit.
Can’t help thinking in hind sight Cameron was badly briefed – too much Clinton and not enough Dave. He ‘s got to risk being a bit tougher with Brown whose tactics were all mandy/campbell/wheelan – shouting over, rehearsed jokes that didn’t work, typical nulab gutter stuff – and smarter with clegg reminding him that his holier than thou aspirations simply don’t stand up to scrutiny and couldn’t be delivered.
If dave would be a bit more himself he will do better in round 2. Gordons a write off/switch off/fuck off and although clegg can deliver tory wins in some marginals he’s more simpsons than serious.
Sack your managers dave, cut the family folksy stuff and do your homework – more detail, less repitition and for gods sake be a bit more obviously on the side of English. Clegg always comes across as some sort of european imposter and an occasional reminder that another 5 years of scottish mafia and mandy’s unmentionable bias would gladden an awful lot of hearts.
I have said after every PMQ`s, when Dave has missed open goal after open goal, that he is not up to it, only to hear Tories claim, he is keeping his powder dry, he is holding his fire for the run in, he is not wanting to let people give Brown the sympathy vote, by “bullying” him.
This has gone on week after week, month after month, now the election is only a couple of weeks away, what does Dave do? Explode into action? Tear Brown and co`s record to shreds? Well, erm, no.
How many times has he got to fail before any Tories here get it? What is he offering that the Lib Dims and Labour are not, other than personnel change and tinkering at the edges?
When there is no real choice there is no real change and real change is what people really want, not some phoney Obama style con-artistry.
Make no mistake,David Cameron is toast
I have reason to believe that you are not the Guido Fawkes that is the proprietor of this site. I believe you to be Charlie Whelan and I claim my £1million pound donation for today as I am again, for the moment, impersonating the Labour Party.
ha ha ha ha ha ha , Sky polll says Cameroid came last, Ha ha ha ha,
Keep you eyes on the OTHERS, this election will result in a result that will blow your minds.
‘this election will result in a result that will blow your minds’
Great use of the english language – could you repeat the word ‘result’ a few more times in that sentence? Are you a recent graduate of the labour education system?
You are a tory, I can tell, I am not a part of the liblabcon and no at 60 years old I missed the great revolution in education.
I am just a common very average member of the public with 3 O level GCE’s unlike you I suppose.
But here is the thing, you have 1 vote and I have 1 vote.
Clearly you are rattled because your “man” has blown it consistently over the past months from the very high 40′s down to the low 30′s now.
Go Dave go, I think you are doing brilliantly, get it down to 34% and I will love you.
not unlike your functional illiteracy
I feel I wasted one and a half hours of my life last night. It won’t happen again.
Did anything new emerge from this debate. Nothing!
No answers on anything.
It’s easy for Nick Clegg to win, everyone knows he isn’t even a contender.
I won’t be watching anymore of these debates.
I didn’t see the gasbags in action, but the reaction from the few around me who did see it is the same as yours. I’m not sure this article’s title, “Clegg: Winning here!” is correct; last night’s waffle-fest of three blokes saying “blah blah blah” has turned more people away from voting, not encouraged them.
It wasn’t that bad-but I suspect that the third debate will have fewer viewers than Dave+1.
I understand your point and to a large extent agree. However, I am clearly a glutton for punishment and will watch the other two. Cameron playing it safe seemed strange but there is a larger picture here and this is only round one of a three round fight.
My highlight was James Purnell who thought Brown had beaten Cameron, based on what he had read on Twitter!
Brown is probably still favourite to win the remaining debates in the Twitter-verse…..
On schools, on policing, on the NHS, on the recovery, David Cameron can’t give a guarantee.
Time for David Cameron to go
I have reason to believe that you are not the Guido Fawkes that is the proprietor of this site. I believe you to be Charlie Whelan and I claim my third £1million pound donation for today as I am again, for the moment, impersonating the Labour Party.
Just give me a few seconds and I will set up a new Windrush No 9746 LLP (without Bliar as an arms length beneficiary) so I can keep this fortune hidden from HMRC.
There is only one party the lib lab con eu party, then others.
wake up and smell the ashes.
See Response to No 22,
I thought that Clegg came across very well but some of his answers last night were frankly pathetic.
On Education: “We will provide class sizes of 20 in primary schools and 16 in secondary schools.”
So you’re going to double the number of teachers?
How are you going to pay for that?
How are you going to get that many more well-qualified teachers without standards dropping sharply?
And where are these smaller classes going to learn?
Are you going to double the number of classrooms? Build many more schools?
And where is that budget for that coming from then?
And you’re going to ask teachers to teach evenings and saturday morning lessons? When will they have time to get marking and preperation done?
Talk about style over substance. Why aren’t the Lib Dems’ policies scrutinised as the other parties?
As Cleggs’ Budget will only be able to afford 10 hours schooling/child/week. the stats above will be easily achievable while producing enormous efficiency savings.
They will be now. Trouble with winning the popularity contest is it puts you in the spotlight and with spotlight comes scrutiny.
I know qualifications matter – but I have a science degree and an English MA. Neither taught me anything about teaching. Nor did the university element of my PGCE – everything I know I learnt on the job. Many of the new young guns at my school – most with no experience outside of education and some with ‘good/relevant’ qualifications – are completely out of their depth.
You have to want to do the job enough to cope with the stress, be able to relate to kids (especially those most in need of educating) and be tough enough to stick to your principles when standing up to the shite that this and previous Govts have foisted on the education system.
I like the cut of your jib Dack.
As I have said before you can promise the world with sprinkles on top if you know you are never going to get to implement such policies. In a debate your damned right I will press my button for him but come crunch time when its about who can deliver it will come down to Brown or Cameron.
Too true, this was the major problem with the debate’s style and make-up as there was no time given to challenge the white lies by Clegg and especially the Tractor Stats by Brown!
Clegg’s reply to the questioner that Saturday morning schooling was an option rather ignored the fact that the questioner was wearing a skullcap and would probably have something else to do on the Sabbath.
My wife is a teacher and she thinks that Saturday schooling would receive 0% support from the kids and even less from the teachers!
Where are we going to get all these teachers from? Polish immigration of course! Polish teachers teaching Polish kids in British schools paid for by the British taxpayer.
You couldn’t make this stuff up but that is the gist of Cleggy’s fucked up policies. Time for a bit of scrutiny of what this mad duffer has been spouting I would say. Don’t think he will be quite as popular after the next debate.
Cleg will steal the soft new tory vote, making all that PC bollocks worthless for Cameron even costing him the election and clegg will get the immigrant vote making all that PC bollocks a waste of time for Labour.
Labour and the Tories will be left with their hardcore rump, neck and neck with the lib dems comming up on the inside with some shock other results.
“Labour and the Tories will be left with their hardcore rump”
The Tory rump was told by Dave in no uncertain terms to fuck off, which they are doing. The unmentionables are doing the same to the Labour rump, should be quite interesting come polling night.
Sums it up…
http://www.thedailymash.co.uk/politics/politics-headlines/britain-gathers-round-fresh-pile-of-steaming-horseshit-201004162646/
Brought a smile to my numbed lips.
The worst about Brown was his constant smirking and wincing as if he had piles. Perhaps Mandelson left something up there.
Dear TaT. Open the curtains, remove your night soil-sodden jim-jams, bathe in the outdoor waterbutt and ask mum for your pills.
Check Guido’s archive.
Fully expect both Tories and Liebour to start picking holes in Libdem policies. We’ll see how Clegg does now that he will be under the spotlight.
Some of their policies are clearly Bonkers. Expect Brown to “agree with Nick on those ones”.
Cameron had numerous opportunities to nail both Brown and Clegg and let them slip. Don’t think it will happen again.
Don`t count on it, he has missed every open goal offered to him so far and screwed himself last november.
Well I thought Dave was pretty good – far better than I expected, Clegg was just warm words and empathy – that wil fade in the voting booth. Brown was fucking terrible – but the brilliant thing is that he obviously knew it, which means debate #2 is going to be a hoot; he’ll be raving mental.
But why arent’ I seeing a list of Gordon’s lies in the papers today? The other two at least appeared straight – Gordon lied about police time on the beat, as the ASA ruled th eother week, and *again* came out with a string of lies regarding the military. Does the dumb fuck think we’re goldish? That we dont’ remember he’s already been caught out on this? I’d like to see the other two pull him up on that next week – cus he *will* do it again.
I suspect we’ll see a libdem bounce in the polls, Dave will hold steady, lab will drop maybe four points, and mandy will go ballistic. The libdems are the key; the difference between a labour defeat, and a labour annihilation.
Whooohooo!
Dear Frank.
All the ammo you need is at;
http://www.politicshome.com/uk/article/7925/conservatives_rebut_labour_lib_dem_statements_from_debate.html
Frank it is OVER the Tory revival was robbed by Clegg, the best you can hope for is a hung parliment. in which case the Lib dems will side with Labour – game over sunshine.
Now watch the press turn on him!
Nurse!
Umm, a libdem bounce is *good* for the tories. Libdems take votes from albour.
‘Does the dumb fuck think we’re goldish?’
He knows we’re goldfish – or enough of us at least. This whole socilaist empire is about fooling enough of the people enough of the time. And, believe me, there are some dumb fucks out there.
On a more shallow note, who was responsible for painting Cameron such a weird colour? And why did he look as if his forehead had been botoxed?
I had never before noticed, either, that Cameron’s head is actually really tiny compared with the rest of his body, so at least the evening wasn’t a total waste.
Guido and conservatives should not emphasize that Brown is likely to keep on struggling.
The real issue is that Clegg on top form will make it even harder for the conservatives to win over any seats now held by libdems. Polls in marginals were indicating zero wins for conservs on libs even before yesterday.
So the conclusion from yesterday’s debate is: Brown does not need to win the debates as long as Clegg is performing better than Cameron. Next debates Brown will try even harder to come across as ally of Clegg (so more “I agree with Nick” and “Nick will agree on this”).
It is perfectly fine for Brown to help Clegg win the debates as long as Labour gets about the same number of seats as Conservatives in the polls, since a LabLib coalition is more conceivable than a ConservsLib one. Agreeing to the debates could prove a masterstroke from Mandy and Cambell. Especially if Cameron starts trying too hard in the next debates as he feels the pressure to beat two opponents, while Brown just stays relatviely quiet and statesmanlike.
And postal votes will seal the deal for Brown.
Sorry do not agree. There are far more Lib/Dem to NuLabour marginals than there are Lib/Dem to Tory. In the SW Lib/Dems look very weak and know the game is up in several key marginals. Take a look at the last local and Europe elections the lib/dem vote collapsed big time. Although you would not expect the same result in a GE nonetheless they know there are going to be losses and that is why there best chance to counter that and keep a similar seat count is to take them off NuLabour. We will see in three weeks time!!!
I’ve always considered Cameron a bit of a show pony, never swallowing his spin. Last night, voters saw it too. Suddenly, the cocksure Bullingdon Boy was the pursued fox, Bruiser Brown the snarling hound.
The Tory stuck to his soundbites, pressing the odd button, yet far from convincing. Nervous Tories who thought Cameron reckless to agree to the debates when ahead in the polls were vindicated.
Cameron lost the most… his aura of invincibility shattered.
Brown edged it and, privately, Cameron knows it.
Game on
Clearly it wasn’t just Brown on medication.
The only thing brown ‘edged’ was a turtles head just a little bit further out of his own arse after telling yet more l i e s
One thing is for sure you did NOT see the debate. Or if you did both your eyesight and hearing are impaired like your great leaders. Cameron was not great OK but FFS Brown was a train wreck. Cameron did not win but is was certain who lost Brown.
I have more than good enough reason to know that you are not the same “Can’t remember my moniker” as has posted here frequently in the past. I believe you to be Charlie Whelan and I claim my fourth, fifth, sixth and seventh, £1million pound donation for today as I am still, for the moment, impersonating the Labour Party.
The imitation is flattering Charlie but, unlike you, I do not have to maintain a stadium sized ego. Now fuck off.
Clegg won in terms of impact etc.. but intellectually Cameron won hands down. The LibDems took £2M from a criminal (which was probably stolen) and have not returned it. Their tax cuts are unaffordable at present, their denial on government waste is pathetic, and their positions on the Euro and the NI Rise are indefensible.
The problem is that neither Clegg nor Brown think they will have to implement their policies: Cameron does.
Is it too late for a leadership challenge ?
Is that why most of your campaign literature is brownless?
Is’nt that what the election is all about!
Yes, change Brown by all means the impact would be brilliant!! You had five attempt in the last 3 years and bottled it each time. Though what makes people think the postman will do any better. Johnson is a lightweight, Militwits are just boys in long pants and well the rest of them………………… no point in wasting bandwidth.
Each of the three came to the debate from a different position.
On reflection, I think we will increasingly recognise the excellence of Gordon Brown’s contribution which was, in a word, statesmanlike.
well i wish i was round yours drinking what you had last night.
You are Charlie Whelan, and I claim my £5.
You are being ironic aren’t you? Otherwise there’s more people on medication than previously suspected.
It means there are more people having had lobotomies.
In France – you cut off the head.
ROFLMAO – Any more typing would be a waste of time.
Would that be statesmen like Stalin…..or Mugabe?
David was obviosuly worried and played safe – that was an error as when he was talking about the defecit I was screaming at the TV for him to tell the pratt to his left that it was all his fault etc…. Also, when Brown mentioned cancer he should have thrown those leaflets back at him.
Nick was good – but I don’t know how if elected he could afford to do half of what he promised and god knows we have enough laws – he wins nice bloke award though which will mean loads.
Gordon – wooden and stilted – he is weird and that is that – there may be a perfectly good explanation for that but seeing as that has not been communicated to us that is his problem. His lippie was running his jokes weren’t funny and said at the wrong time and he has a monumental cheek standing in front of us all trying to charm Clegg and being frankly pathetic and childish.
Brown is a truly horrible creature
I love Mr Clegg – the Conservative leader.
Funny enough if you turn from the TV it is hard to tell Cameron and Clegg apart, other than Clegg was scoring points while Dave bombed!
Comedy moment of the evening came last as Dave b’day Nick loitered on stage as gurning Gordon dashed off to fondle the audience
I fondled quite a few too.
I do well in crowds.
And having Big Al near me helped.
Who’s that boy that goes round with Ed Bollocks? I can’t put my finger on it, but there’s something a bit different about him, and I want to find out what.
A quicky in a cupboard or a car park should do it.
yes. we watched 1.5 hours for that.
Dave and Nick stood about for half a minute wondering what to do, looking at each other going “shall we??” …. “aye, what the hell eh?”.
A ten hour working week
Free toys for children
£2000 minimum wage
petrol at 25P per gallon
free air tickets
we will give you your council house
free taxis to take you anywhere
free spanish holidays for all
no income tax
The Glib Dumbs can promise what they want
because they know they will never have to deliver
A great many benefit claimants actually get these things already………………
Spot on.
how disappointing and sanitized no clapping, but brown got away with it .
not made to account for his own and his governments appalling record.
dont lets bother again it was fixed ..jolly
Well said.
The winner was, indeed, Mr. . . erm. . um. . . y’know, him. That bloke off the Limp Dumbs.
One on the left, yellow tie. He was great, he was.
A couple more performances like that, people might actually start recognising him.
Or maybe not.
D
There is NO DOUBT ABOUT IT! – THE GLORIOUS AND BELOVED LEADER WON!!
I want this to be broadcast every 15 minutes wiv 5 minute updates, and Martial Music in between.
Also, get the usual Phoney 5th-rate trashy celebs to say how influenced they were by the G&BL.
Also tell people to pay their telly tax. We’ve got to get that money in our pension pots. And there are all the Celebration Parties coming on Victory Night to pay for.
And get lots more champagne for the Victory Celeberation Partys for us Top People.
I’ve just met a black man driving a Lexus in Wigan!
I feel your pain.
Gordon is mad. Dave was upstaged. Clegg over egged it and sounds flakey on how we’ll stop Pete the Pole legging it from Lincoln.
So what.
‘The same old mistakes for the last 65 years’
Populist twat.
Clegg won? I can’t have been listening to the same debate
On the radio, Cleggie was the clear loser. He talked in cliché, and littered his speech with “I think”, “as I say” and the like. Gordon Brown did much better than I had expected, not least because he has somehow conquered his stammering repetitiveness. David Cameron sounded calm and ready.
Mrs H, who watched the debate at a neighbour’s house, had a completely different take on the whole thing. Cleggie, she thought, had looked the most relaxed of the three, and had talked only to camera, whereas the other two alternated between camera and audience. “Brown was scribbling and scowling, like when he listened to you in the European Parliament,” she said, “and Cameron was at a disadvantage, because he was in the middle, and had to keep swivelling back and forth between the other two.”
Is this, I wonder, a British version of the 1960 Kennedy-Nixon debate? Did Cameron win the radio audience while Cleggie carried the TV?
http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/danielhannan/100034895/clegg-won-i-cant-have-been-listening-to-the-same-debate/
Go away Hannan you fake Libertarian, proppping up the Conservative Eurofascists.
when are you going to jump ship and stand as an MP for UKIP, or are you just another EU snouter.
You had your 5 mins of fame with an average speech now you are just embarrissing, now get back in the shadows where you belong and where your beloved Euro puppet leader shoved you.
Hannan is gutless, a phoney, he would rather see the country flushed down the toilet than risk his fat Euro job.
You had your chance to make an impact Hannan, you blew it.
That wiggly worm thing is bollocks and proves nothing.
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Lolly stick tits widdecombe cats Punch in the fucking face.
You have the Data,
Who would I vote for?
See It’s bollocks.
All three clowns might as well have said,”soapy tits” all night to gaurantee a high wiggly fucking worm.
Well, I suppose on reflection Brown did have a lot of substance. Our Dave will have to do much better than that in future debates.
Yes, an awful lot of substance. A brown, pungent, faecal substance.
Substance abuse
Most here will not be fooled by some pre-op tranny on benefits using my name. For the benefit of the others, I am going off to work to help pay for these cretins so any posts in my name will be false. I shall return later and you will know when it is me!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Fuck you Tat
you little copy cat use your own material
you sad shite !
And I really mean it you know!
I have more than good enough reason to know that you are not the same “Can’t remember my moniker” as has posted here frequently in the past. I believe you to be too brain dead even to be Charlie Whelan.
Clegg was lightweight but populist and performed better than expected. However, he had an easy ride and would net perform so well under pressure.
Cameron was serious, statesmanlike and came across as the only one with genuine prime ministerial credentials.
Brown was awful. Frusrated, agitated, petty and weird. Fortunately for us, we only have to suffer him as PM for another 3 weeks.
Gordon Brown was winning the televisions debate. He is very right to be controlling the immigration. Soon there will not be enoughs council housings or benefits to go round. Vote Gordon Brown. Vote Labours party. May Allah pour his peace on you.
I wonder whether the LibDem policy of spreading new arrivals over all the country will benefit or hinder the party which we cannot mention?
We don’t want the fuckers up here. Keep them in the South East
You still keep coal in the bath up there. Miserable gloomy place who the hell wants to go to the NE!
Listen Tat using my moniker:
I may be a cun’t because I actually still OWN a house in Northumberland (the NE in case you didn’t know). What is your excuse for being one?
it doesnt matter who wins the election as the country is donald!
the wasting of £trillions and employing people to move bits of paper or erect millions of road signs,humps and railings in the middle of nowhere means that the uk has an enormous debt……..the north sea oil is running out and we manufacture sweet f/a………
greeece will be bailed out….however if they borrow money from the germans,the imf or santa it means that they ARE STILL IN DEBT!!!!!!!!
the size of the uk debt dwarfs the greek situation.the imf doesnt have anywhere near the money to bail US out……interest on interest is a killer.it has wiped out many 3rd world countries……..the ones that Brown always wants to help………..yet he is following the same path to oblivion……..
clegg……..no chance of being pm
brown-lunatic who learned NOTHING as a Chancellor……..
(except expense fiddling)
Cameron………trying to be all things to all men……….
we’re doomed i tell ye-doomed!
Why bother with this farce? It is an imported Americanism that suits the US Presidential system. Britain does not have a President; we don’t elect a President; and a President has a different role.
Those three twerps only represent themselves and their constituency. If they lose their own constituency election, they are finished regardless of what the ‘nation’ may think.
Total waste of time space and money. Over-rehearsed rubbish. And you think people are going to vote for their parliamentary candidate on the basis of this? I hope you are joking.
The BBC, Labour and Sky want this type of thing so that they can wangle the election. They cut out the Independents, the National Front, all the parties that have a local stance. They want politics to be a sterile, predictable game/drama/event that they can control, so that they can carry on claiming they’re big salaries/contracts which we’re paying for. They all think we can be duped, that we’ve forgotten about the pension grab, the selling off of the gold, the sleaze and the incompetence of this government – and the biggest elephant in the room – the rising debt. I shall vote for whoever says they will put an end to all this hype-fest on the TV.
I don’t like the Presidential overtones of British politics.
Will a good performance on the debates turn into votes? I don’t think it will.
If I had that mincing creep Brown in my face simpering “Answer the question David. This is not question time, it’s answer time David” I doubt I could have shown the restraint that Cameron did. Brown would have been flat out on the floor sparko.
I thought that my Nicky did very well last night…it even surprised his mum! That awful Mr Brown was piss poor (excuse my Spanish) & Dave was well behind Nicko in the confidence & charisma stakes. I’m not sure what Nick will do for an encore (do readers really think that he slept with 30+ girls before he meet me?) but I’m rushing down to Signor Bill Hill to put a bet on Brown losing all the debates. He proved once again that he could never win an election as the party leader & become PM.
“Come on David, give us your answer, this isn’t question time David, it’s answer time, what is your answer David?”
I heard Bolton for several weeks would not go for walkies in the woods for fear of another Dr. Kelly. Understandable really having looked at it again.
After the debate ,my wife declared that, despite his policies, she would sleep with Clegg.
Obviously your wife is a sad and desperate slag.
Cynic’s “wife” is Mrs Palm and her five lovely daughters.
Good luck to you, love – he snores, mutters and keeps getting up to make sure he didn’t leave the TV on standby.
Mrs Cynic will have to push Vince out first.
What is Dave waffling on about on News 24? It’s like being in the worst assembly in the world ever. Despite Deidrie Barlow being on stage.
Looks like Nick Clegg is now favourite amongst Labour Party members and voters to become Labour leader, after Brown gets walloped in the election.
I wonder what Ed Balls thnks of that?
The smearing starts today!
Not until you’ve learnt to spell “Damian”, surely?
The Labour party have tried on three occasions to get rid of Brown, people…..you have one chance on May 6th, don’t mess up, do your duty, get to the polling station and remove Brown from Downing Street and our lives.
Gordon you are the weakest link…goodbye!
Despite considerable evidence to the contrary, Conservative leader and Aston Villa fan David Cameron was last night claiming victory for his team in last weekend’s FA Cup semi-final against Chelsea.
The match was actually won 3-0 by Chelsea, a fact witnessed by 70,000 fans at Wembley and millions more on television, however the Conservative spin machine was working full throttle this morning to convince sports fans that Cameron’s team had actually won.
George Osborne told reporters, “Villa were strong and forceful, and it was their job to show they are ready to be in the FA Cup final, and I think they did that job perfectly.”
“Say what you like about scores and results, but I’m sure the people at home – the people who count – would agree that Villa won. Don’t ask them though, will you?”
It was Gordon who won really. Everybody loved the way he kept interrupting Cameron with spiteful mincing little demands like “”what is your answer David? This is answer time not question time David?”
Gordon also got Clegg masterfully onside by getting him to agree with everything he said.
Well done Gordon!!
Five more years!!
FIVE MORE YEARS!!!!!!!
dave was inoffensive until he tried the Churchillian peroration at the end, which only made him sound more than ever like Commander Data. I’m sure dave must have more about him than comes across on the telly. Clegg seems more comfortable and witty in front of the cameras. Brown, of course, just looks the strange, angry man that he is.
For someone who went through Eton and Oxford, Dave looked very uncomfortable in the spotlight. Brown’s a gonner anyway so the Tories need to concentrate on exposing the fluffiness of the LibDems.
I am really in favour of mass debates, ever since I was 12.
Not sure what they mean by Clegg winning. The whole thing was boring and we knew nothing new by the end. This winning losing thing seems to come down to who was the most telegenic on the night.
The danger is that some voters will be shallow enough to base their decision on that alone. I suspect most won’t, but will want to hear the other two debates before finally deciding, and it probably won’t influence the dyed-in-the-wool brigade and the couldn’t-care-less cohorts.
Most will have been turned off by last night’s fiasco. This is not America. We have a variety of candidates, and all parties should have been in the debate. This is the death of ‘democracy’.
The fact that we’re all discussing politics, the newspapers, radio and television are full of it, and the debate achieved a high audience suggests that democracy isn’t dead. There are many ways in which it might be modified and improved, and some are being seriously discussed. Is everything tickety-boo then? No, of course it isn’t, but the political system we have does allow most problems to be aired, and if they’re serious enough, addressed.
They’re trying their best to kill it, by only having the leaders who have a chance of forming a government debating. That’s why we have the same old issues and solutions. There’s no fun, no passion. Might just as well watch DeadEnders, or paint drying. They’re really not striking a chord, and it’s all piss and wind. If they really wanted people to take notice, they’d talk about sort out the economy, everything else is just decoration. If they can’t tackle the ginormous debt, then what’s the point of fighting this election, we might as well ask Europe to bail us out now.
Audience members from last night’s debate have told Sky News that after the debate Gordon Brown immediately began to shake hands with the front row of the audience but, as soon as the cameras stopped filming, he stopped and stormed off, apparently in a huff.
He really is two-faced.
10 million (unofficial) watched the debate.
More than I’d expected. Sets a high target for performance in the other two debates. Maybe these things may have more influence than expected.
UKIP did well though. Now everyone can see that Brown and Dave offer the same thing and Clegg Will sign us up to the Euro and throw away our nuclear deterrent.
“Come on David, give us your answer, this isn’t question time David, it’s answer time, what is your answer David?”
Brown is like a cross between Frankie Howerd, Tony Hancock, and Larry Grayson.
I think it was Cameron’s to lose and he lost it.” Guido Fawkes
Brown lost it as expected. Clegg was better than expected. Cameron was statesmanlike and prime ministerial.
“Two’s company; three’s a crowd”
Clegg hasn’t got a chance.
Its like my wife saying that she’s comitted to play rugby for England because she’s bought some boots, a ball and a strip and she trains every day. Oh, and she’s got a moustache.
The fact that she’s 50 and anorexic is neither here nor there.
Funny and after last night god knows we need funnies.
Jesus, what a bunch of total non-entities.
Brown: Came across like someone that had a nervous breakdown ten years ago and is now slowly losing the plot as people avoid giving him bad news to digest. Brown looked like some bizarre misfit that had no business being there. Nick Griffin looks ordinary in comparison. He really believes that floating voters know who Ashcroft is, let alone care. Looked like the kind of nutter you are desparate to avoid on the bus. He dismissed every question and then banged on midlessly about whatever topic Ed Balls had primed him to talk about. The guy is definitely out the door and Labour will be petrified of coming third at this rate (30% as popular as Clegg – whoa!). I think he will be looking for an excuse to avoid the remaining debates before he does any more damage.
Cameron: Looked like a more pleading version of Tony Blair, as if carefully chosen for an entirely different kind of election. His claims that “we only made immigration rise to ridiculous levels whilst Labour made them super-ridiculous” was a gift to UKIP and the BNP. Really a terrible lightweight. His “all in this together” statement reminded me of going down with the Titanic. Gordon’s attack on Tory spending cuts was predictable but Cameron hadn’t prepared a good answer – why not? Moron.
Clegg: Looked like a carbon-copy Cameron but came across as more optimistic. Got away with murder while the other two tore strips off each other. So we are going to ignore the debt and move to class sizes of 16 are we? Dream on cleggy – don’t think you are going to be getting away with that nonsense in the next debate.
I think a hung Parliament leading to PR could be the best outcome here as this would give us a process that will finally allow the three stooges of British politics to be driven out for good. It really was desparately depressing. The three kids on “Outnumbered” were far better.
How will this influence the parties in their preparation for the next two debates?
After last night’s performance, Clegg will be expected to shine like a star, so he’s under pressure, especially on the economy where the Lib Dems have a rather undeserved reputation for competence – he could get shown up, so he’ll have to manouvre adroitly. Might not be so easy under that pressure.
Brown has a mountain to climb to regain any sort of credibility, and he’s on very shaky ground with the economy. He thinks it’s his strength, and in that lies his weakness – he could be catastrophically exposed by the other two.
Cameron has to step up his game, but has the experience of the first debate to build on, so he’ll probably be a bit more relaxed in the other two. Whether he improves enough, we’ll have to wait and see.
Depends if they think that votes for Clegg will benefit them. If not the smear machine will kick in.
I think it is going to be interesting how Cameron plays it in the next round. If they do some analysis and see that LimpDems doing well will tear chunks out of the Labour vote Cameron may stick with the softly softly approach. But if not then Cameron has plenty of ammunition from round one to use in round two to make Cleggover look a chump. Cleggover got an incredibly easy ride on unworkable plans for smaller class sizes, stopping Trident and “regional” immigration. So its going to be interesting to see how CastIron Cameron plays it. The Gorgon is an irrelevance now – each apearance he makes he will be under more pressure to perform and will, therefore, act more wierdly.
Brown bingo:
Ashcroft – check
Comment about his upbringing – check
Loss of eyesight – saving that for next time?
The man’s a complete fool. Does he think he’s being clever?
Why is he suddenly the architect of change after 13 years in power? What’s he been doing since 1997?
If one of the Lib Dem’s immigrants dares to venture beyond his permitted region, what happens?
Can the police shoot them?
Now that’s not very nice. I’m sure Mr. Clegg will ensure they are given all the assistance they need to settle in their chosen new region.
I hope Dave’s been CRB checked to be in that school. Rules do apply to politicians after all.
Born in Chichester,[ as his father Eric was a British colonial civil servant, Ashcroft spent some of his early years in British Honduras (now Belize) and Malawi.
He was educated at Norwich School, Royal Grammar School, and Mid-Essex Technical College (now Anglia Ruskin University), where he obtained a Higher National Diploma.
Business career
After a period in Belize after completing his education, Ashcroft returned to hitch hike around Europe, and then for a short period of time became the manager of a rock and roll band. In 1967, Ashcroft joined Rothmans as a management trainee.
He left in 1969, joining Pritchard Group Services, after some months on the dole. Pritchard Group was a cleaning and business services company and Ashcroft worked his way up quickly to become an assistant in the company’s head office accounting department, part of a large acquisitions team.
In 1972 at age 26, he started his own business, Michael A. Ashcroft Associates. His first acquisition was Uni-Kleen – a loss-making cleaning company with one thousand employees, which he purchased for just £1 in 1974. With a £15,000 bank loan he worked to turn the company around, selling it just three years later for £1.3 million………..
so that’s why all the lefties cry out!!!!!!!!!
someone who got off their arses and worked for a living and became a success…..
aspiration,independence and intelligence not things to be admired in the zanulab (sham)bala……….
“Guido thinks that it is a racing certainty that Brown is a no hoper in the debates…”
Not if he rings in sick……..
And send someone in his place
For me, Cameron was very disappointing, he never seemed to get going; his answers lacked direction, focus and a consistency of theme. This was all the more frustrating, given the strength of theme in the manifesto launch on Tuesday. Don’t get me wrong, his performance was still very good, still very solid; the content of his answers clearly outshone the other two, but it fell short of the Cameron performance we have come to expect. The sort of breathtaking, game-changing speech he gave in the Tory leadership campaign in 2005 … where was this Cameron?
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I’m beginning to realise that that I don’t give a flying fuck who wins the general election as long as it isn’t that pile of Scottish shit Gordon McTwat and his his filled party…
Maybe Nick Clegg is brighter than we all think. He spent much of the debate agreeing with Gordon Brown. The PM, a lonely chap at the top, was glad of the company, so agreeing with Nick.
If you are sad enough (like me) take a look at the Lib-Dem Manifesto. It is full of appeal to the Liberal Labour Left. It bashes the rich more than Labour (Basic rate tax relief on pensions, mansion tax, increased Capital Gain Tax) bashes big business (higher corporation tax, extra tax for banks) and has some trendy items like a PostBank and a savings bank to invest in green stuff. Oh, and they will scrap the nuclear deterrent, something the Green n’ Common Wimmen never achieved.
I believe Nick Clegg’s strategy for the economy debate will be to say
“It is Gordon Brown who have created the structural deficit. The cyclical deficit (the recession bit) will be got rid of with a few years of strong economic growth. But the structural deficit is the reason why we have to put up taxes and cut public services”
And then the Lib-Dems will achieve what the Social Democrats set out to achieve in 1981 – to replace Labour as the opposition. Only they will have leap-frogged Labour onto the left.
See http://manicbeancounter.wordpress.com/2010/04/16/lib-dem-manifesto-%e2%80%93-an-appeal-to-the-labour-left/