April 14th, 2010

Staggers Coughs for Slurs

Former intimate friend of Derek Draper, James MacIntyre, the New Statesman’s wayward political editor, got his fingers well and truly burnt in a smear straight out of the MacBride/Draper play-book. Macintyre has been moaning about the apparent easy ride the Tories are getting in the press. It seems he likes to hold them to extreme accounts, regardless of the truth. It took Guido days to trawl around for the last edition of the New Statesman but he finally managed to snatch one from a passed-out tramp. Hidden away in it was this apology:

A Carter-Rucking later and a substantial five figure sum gives us confirmation of what was already common knowledge in the  Westminster village: make-it-up-Macintyre smears Conservatives as racists.


  1. 1
    Road_Hog says:

    Well, the Staggers is rolling in money, so it can afford it, not.

  2. 2
    michael says:

    hello guido

    the labour party candidate where I live has this leaflet with a quote from a ‘local parent’ about how wonderful her life had become under nu-lab. The name of this ‘local parent’ however looked a little familiar, and after a little research I discovered where from – she’s the secretary of the local labour party. Seemed a little deceptive to me. Is this normal for PPCs to do this sort of stuff? Surely they could find at least one real perrson who would give them a quote?

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    Thats News says:

    “A misreading”. Yes, yes! That’s all it was! “A misreading.”

    Nothing to see her, folk! Just a little “accident.” Move along please. Step over the slumbering form of the New Statesman, as you go on your way. Quick as you can! That’s the ticket!

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    concrete pump says:

    Macintyre is an entirely hateful individual, spiteful and ignorant.

    I hate the c*nt more than Johann Hari and Polly Toytown put together. (Apologies if that last sentence left you with the image of a particularly ugly left wing chimaera.)

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    The Bullying Bullion Buggerer says:

    Lies for the many and not just the few

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    Cp Jones says:

    Labour just doesn’t like it up ‘em!

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    gone fuckin mental says:

    Is there any honest media out there?

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    Thats News says:

    No, they always use the local party.

    They had a public rally, locally. It was meant to be a spontaneous protest against the local Conservative council. Somehow (quite spontaneously, of course!) the press photographers had been told. Also (quite spontaneously) the crowd of protestors was made up of members of the local Labour Party pretending to be real people and (again, quite, QUITE Spontaneously, of course!) they all just happened to turn up with professionaslly printed placards on polls that they must have (spontaneously) found on the way to the spontaneous protest.

    A lot of local people (genuinely spontaneously) told them what they thought of their ‘protest’.

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    Right Bastard says:

    Lies, smears and deception – the hallmark of Nulab and it’s acolytes.

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    At the risk of seeming dull and pedantic its more likely that the payment was made by the NS’ libel and slander insurance policy.

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    I hate Jonah says:

    If Jonah blows his top at the debate, it’ll be interesting to see how the Liebore press report it. Maybe al-Jabeeba will say “The Prime Minister was understandably irritated by Mr Cameron’s lies and Mr Clegg’s interruptions.”

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    P. Mandevilson, the Eminence Greasy says:

    Smears, sleaze and sophistry: it’s in Labour’s D-N-A.

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    Sir William Waad says:

    Does this mean that libel lawyers are:

    (a) Fearless defenders of truth, justice and honest people’s reputations; or

    (b) Voracious leeches lurking amidst the pond scum?

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    Coffee time quiz says:

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    Avuncular Vince says:

    It’s me and I claim your £ 5.

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    Layman says:

    Logged on to get the opinion of the Conservatives ‘Big Idea’ but there’s nothing. Thoughts anyone?

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    Old Archer says:

    That Iraqi with the sign is back, persistent fucker him.

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    Jonah says:

    I’m still here. Because it’s the right thing to do.

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    numbskulls mouth dept knocking on brain depts door says:

    hello,anyone in there

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    Number 10's cat says:

    I expect the first two to be fairly subdued, with everybody keeping their powder dry. The last one however: that could be a real slugfest.

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    James Carter Fuck says:


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    Thats News says:

    I remember the numbskulls!

    Appartently one of them went on to become Neil Kinnock.

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    James Mc says:


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    Carry On Don't Lose Your Head (1967) says:

    Well, some of ‘em do, some of ‘em don’t. Who are we to judge?

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    Thats News says:

    Vince isn’t loony. He is just…. Oh, {sighs} Yes, you are right. Vince is a loony.

    Did you know Vince has a BSC after his name?

    Vince Cable, Bat Sh*t Crazy.

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    Charles Flaccidwidger says:

    Sleeping tramp? Wasn’t Draper was it?

  28. 28

    Just listened to the Lib Dems.

    Seem to have changed the slogan from “A Future Fucked For all, We’re all in the shit together” to something more upbeat.

    “We see trees of green .. red rose sharing too
    We see no more boom.. for me and for you
    “But we have done a deal with Brown..
    “What a wonderful world..”

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    Yet anyone who knows nothing about economics loves him.

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    Truth Seeker says:

    A vote for Clegg is a vote for Gordon.

    The Lib Dumbs have spent the whole campaign attacking the Conservatives and agreeing with much of the Labour manifesto.

    There is hardly a paper thin difference between them. I had a Lib Dumb mailing today calling the Tories the worse troughers – a sneering, class war, negative piece of shit. Mysteriously they don’t mention the fact that it’s mainly Labour peers and MPs before the courts or who are the new wealthy elite. Or that members of their party also enriched themselves during the Trough Fest.

    There was not one Lib Dumb policy on it. Just a pack of misleading negativity. Not good from a party that pretends to be so saintly.

    It’s as if the Conservatives have been in power for the past 13 miserable years, not the retard reds.

    They have done a deal.

    As for that buffoon Vince Cable – enemy of enterprise – most of the residents of his constituency loathe him. His grasp of economics is on a par with The Guardian’s grasp of grammar.

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    Carry On Don't Lose Your Head (1967) says:

    I’m intrigued. Please lay out your political philosphy for us. Feel free to share your analysis of the past and where we went wrong and, consequently, where we should be going. Here’s your chance to take our breath away. 3, 2, 1…

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    backwoodsman says:

    Sorry Sir William, wrong on both counts. The answer is
    (c) bottom dwelling low life -

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    Time To Go Gordon says:

    I see both Liebour and LimpDems are talking about “fairness.”

    Why is a fair that some hard working person earning £110000 a year should pay nearly £50000 a year in tax so that a bunch of wasters can sit at home all day in their pyjamas watching Jeremy Kyle on their 50″ plasmas while drinking special brew?

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    fan says:

    does the winner have to go three rounds with Mick McManus?

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    backwoodsman says:

    I was misled into paying it in additional paye costs, you fuckwit.

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    Thats News says:

    They’ll have Gordon on whatever meds he needs, plus perhaps a session with a hypnotist.

    HYPNOTIST: “Now, Mr Brown, imagine you are holding a Nokia and you want to throw it? Do you remember qhat happens to you?”
    BROWN: “It burns! It burns! No thow Nokia!”
    HYPNOTIST: “Calm down, Mr Brown. Now, when I count backwards from five to one, you will wake up ready for the televised debate.”

    Actually as Brown can’t tell the difference between five and ten, this might prove a little harder than with a normal person.

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    Anonymous says:

    Anyone think Cameron blew the election yesterday?

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    Koba says:

    Note they apologised for any ebarassment caused and not for any offence caused. Labour IS the Nasty party

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    Engineer says:


    There is also;

    (c) Assiduous propogators of their own bank accounts.

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    Thats News says:

    c) Quite helpful under some circumstances and also a and b.

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    A Lifted Face says:

    Gordon – you are the Weakest Link. Goodbye.

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    The Bear of Clerkenwell says:

    Are you implying that Draper was an “Easy ride” for gentlemen of a certain persuasion prior to his happy marriage?

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    AndyBurnham'sApology-A-Day says:

    yes ……….. yes ………. it’s coming ……… sorry, no …. it’s gone …… sorry

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    Bilkos optician says:

    bring back wrestling I want to see the balls and milband tag team

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    I resent that. I am now a very successful Herbalife and Amway consultant, based in Margate

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    Thats News says:

    Some poor deluded soul thought they had taught me about economics. I dropped that part of my degree programme when I discovered that it was true that when you want to borrow money (for example to buy a car) the money you borrow did not have any existance before they made the loan. So, in effect the money is created out of nothing.

  47. 47

    “Meet Joe. He used to work at Ravenscraig.”


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    EU Sheep says:

    A vote for Dave is a vote for Van Rumpey

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    Carry On Don't Lose Your Head (1967) says:

    Guido, deleting posts from racist, mono-brow fuckers is OK in my book, but couldn’t you at least exchange a place marker for the offensive post so it is obvious to all that the child comments that followed were just that.

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    Truth Seeker says:


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    Thats News says:

    That’d be great. Like the old days! The strange person throwing Nokias, I mean handbags, into the ring, Kent Walton with the commentary! Class!

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    Old Archer says:

    I’m still waiting to see if he wakes up to what real people want, like an end to immigration and a pull out of Europe, but i doubt he will

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    Road_Hog says:

    Would they get cover on MacIntyre?

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    Thats News says:

    Even though they know what happened to the Liberals last time they did a deal with Labour.

    God! Anyone would think the Lib Dems are a herd of sheep! I… oh, what am I saying? OF COURSE the Lib Dems are a herd of sheep!

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    Jan says:

    The last time I went to Scotchland the bastards were falling down dead in the street at 35 with deep-fried mars bars hanging out of their arses. Fucking c’unts.

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    Staffy says:

    forget fair, who is the fool?

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    c.eng says:

    Vilfredo Pareto 1848 – 1923 was a brilliant guy because he developed powerful principles based on common sense.

    The 80-20 rule is familiar to some, but by far the most significant Pareto idea, is to rank things in Pareto Order, in other words putting them in order of, say, biggest to smallest so you can decide what to tackle, and in what order.

    You would think this would be obvious, but as we can see many supposedly intelligent people do not opperate in this way at all.

    This is most apparent in our Politicians right now as they don’t seem to have a clue which issue is the most important, and have decided they would rather tinker at the edges, than tackle the top item on the Pareto list which is surely the Debt stupid.

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    Longbow says:

    No, he blew it back when I found out that his word is meaningless.
    I cant abide a liar.

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    Do Try To Keep Up Bill says:

    No no Mr Quango, the Lib Dem slogan is now
    That is not a slogan you will hear from the Tories who have now changed from hating black people to hating poor ones whether they are black or white.
    Very progressive.

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    Next stop the Knacker's Yard says:


    Stop worrying, get a clear conscience,

    and Vote Ukip

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    Do Try To Keep Up Truth Seeker says:

    You seem to have hit a brick wall Truth seeker.
    Keep banging your head against it, there’s a good chap.

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    Carl Rogers says:

    concern has arisen in the last couple of days about Gordon Brown’s welfare


    maybe he should book a session with that lauded professional Draper

  64. 64
    Megan says:

    It worries me that electorate is warming to idea of hung parliament – thinking St Vince will be new chancellor when we all know it’ll be Balls.

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    Brown's a Tosser says:

    No. The MSM is just not reporting the facts. I have little respect for the BBC but I have to say Brillo comes out tops and he gives them all a rough time.

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    The Desperate Tories Have Lost a March To The Lib Dems says:

    Why is it fair?
    Well, it is fair because then people on high wages will be paying the same proportionate amount of their earnings as poor people.
    If you can’t keep up then you will have to leave.

  67. 67

    EU sheep.

    In reality a vote for Dave is a possible vote for Van Rumpey.
    A vote for Brown is definite vote for Van Rumpey.
    A vote for Nick is two votes for Van Rumpey.

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    Old Archer says:

    Jack there,Gash swiggin back the tenants super.

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    Maladroit Labour Chump says:

    It’s called fiat money: or Fiat money if you’re buying an Italian car.

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    Crap Critic says:

    The same idiot with a felt tip and a handycam made theirs too.

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    Brown's a Tosser says:

    I’m Vince but you can call me Joseph Merrick. Ha, Merrick much better looking.

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    Longbow says:

    Only because the nasty spot was vacant, who suggested its nice parties that get to govern.
    Dave has’nt the balls to be nasty, he is naked and he is not a Conservitive.
    What a time to need a reality check, exactly when it could do the most damage.
    Rock on a hung parliament.

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    Boolly Boy says:

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    The Court of Public Opinion says:

    More liebour quality election-time incompetence from oop north – surely assaulting women is merely following the leaders example?


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    Sir Reginald Titbrain says:

    Someone has done an effective job on Brown, more’s the pity. He no longer looks the grubby unkempt oik of old and although he can only make a happy grimace for a smile he is not as off putting as previously. Also gone has the cud chewing, plus the teeth no longer look grim, and the tendency to stutter slightly has also gone.

    Quite a makeover. Maybe you can polish a turd after all.

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    Anonymous says:

    It was the final confirmation.

  77. 77

    Gordon says sorry for screwing the UK economy and that he’ll ignore industry next time – http://whogoeshome.co.uk/?p=853

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    No you cretin.
    10% of £100,000 is £10,000
    10% of 10,000 is £1,000

    10 times more REVENUE. 10% of a bigger number is more than 10% of a smaller number. Do you see how that works?

    Or maybe to be ‘fair’ the personal allowance tax free should be ‘proportional’ too. Currently £6,475 for the 10k earner and the £100K earner.

    The 100k earner would have a £64,750 ‘fair’ proportional personal tax allowance.

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    Furious Capitalist says:

    Whats the point of having any elections. This country is ran by an elite drug sponsored criminal fraternity. Why do you think they have prohibition? Its so they don’t pay any TAX, on the Billions of imported powders from around the world. Ask any CIA opertative who are carrying out business. No wonder the country is going down the toilet.

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    Chancellor of the X checker says:

    Cable plugs in Balls blender,can’t wait for the shitefset

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    The IMF is coming says:

    Can the Tories please join the dots, as Labour would do:

    Brown admits lax banking regulation, therefore

    ‘The recession is due to lax financial regulation of the Government’

    Keep saying it until it sticks in the conscience of the public

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    Manuel says:


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    ready brek says:

    No hung parliament with Gordon in charge, retard. Any Newlabia activist knows that, FFS.

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    Anonymouse says:

    Old Holborn is right, what is quite funny is that they have changed the script on the ScottishLabour website, all in a very mild Glasgwegian accent.

    The Scottish manifesto is also hilarious as they write about issues that have been devolved to the Scottish Assembly.

    If anyone wants some fun, I own the EnglishLabour web addresses!!

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    Labour & Van Rumpey says:

    Vote UKIP.

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    Tramp says:

    Oi guido! You can keep the NS, give me back my porn mag. Cheek of it.

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    Longbow says:

    Sorry, I am not a labour activist so I wouldnt have known, as you seem to.

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    Next stop the Knacker's Yard says:

    People on £50k bennies don’t pay tax, or hadn’t you figured that out.

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    Old Archer says:

    you can’t give the electorate “Pay up ” slips

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    selohesra says:

    A flat rate of income tax for all – that what I would call in proportionate. Those of us who work hard to earn more would still pay more tax than the wasters

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    Jack Newhouse says:

    1 Guardianista = 100,000 real people, so guess who he listens to.

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    Anon says:

    A vote for Dave is a possible vote for Rumpey?
    You’re back on the heroin again aren’t you Bill?
    I bet Steve Expat is your supplier.

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    listen and learn says:

    Apology accepted.

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    Catflap says:

    What pisses me off is that a Leftwingers slur against an opponent is always based on some reprehensable human trait.
    Racist,sexist,Homophobe,Islamaphobe etc before long all opposition to Socialism will be met with the cry,
    So convinced are these Cu*nts that they dominate the moral high ground in all things.
    Fucking wankers.

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    Nick2 says:

    What a shame, The Staggers seem to have removed their offending blog. Has anyone got a copy of it?

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    Carry On Don't Lose Your Head (1967) says:


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    The Desperate Tories Are Huffing And Puffing To Keep Up says:

    You are so heroin addled and puffed up and ready to rant that you did not read the post you are responding to Bill.
    Low earners have a higher proportionate amount of their wages taken in tax than rich people. They also cannot afford smart arse accountants to reduce that tax liability.
    Furthermore those on low wages spend 95% of their incomes as soon as they receive them thus injecting money into the economy whereas rich people hoard their wealth and demand interest on it which causes inflation and withdraws money from the economy.
    The poor are the good guys and the rich are the bad guys.
    You’re on the side of the bad guys Bill, which is fitting as the character you play and your pseudonym is exactly that. Shot yourself in the foot there Bill.
    Oh, and rich people can afford to pay their equal share because even after being taxed they still have many, many thousands of pounds left whereas poor people are left with literally fuck all once the tax man, landlord and utitlity companies have had their cut.

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    You really must buy the tax code guide for dummies. Ed Balls can lend you his copy if you like.
    A rise in personal tax allowance is applicable to every tax payer. What Tory isn’t going to like a tax cut?

    It can always be afforded by scrapping I.D cards,Trident,and the SATS and DeFRA bureaucracy. Well, Tories are still with you.

    If only you could something about holding hands with the EU.
    And someone tell Clegg to stop taking Cable everywhere he goes.
    It looks like his dad is taking him to the disco and instead of dropping him off outside has decided to come in try and few of his moves on the dance floor.

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    Mild Glaswegian? Sounds more Morningside to me, but then again I’m just a sheep shagger from the valleys.

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    Time To Go Gordon says:

    If all your income comes in government handouts then basically you pay no tax. Okay the government gets some of it back when you buy your special brew but it’s just money they gave you for nothing in the first place – you didn’t actually do any work for it.

    If higher rates of tax should be paid according to income then why is it fair for the TV license fee to be a flat rate? Surely under your system the poor should pay nothing and the better off should pay maybe £2000. That should be a sure fire winner for Labour. Get the Tory voters to pay for the news which eviscerates their party.

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    I admit, I’ve been on the Miracle-Gro

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    Old Archer says:

    he could have pulled this one but a kid beat him to it.


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    The Desperate Tories Are Huffing And Puffing To Keep Up says:

    Currently those who work hardest, ie labourers etc are paid the least and pay the hightest amount of tax proportionately.
    If they work harder than you why should they pay the same tax and be left with nothing.
    You see now we get down to the brass tacks: greedy unregulated capitalists beware, for when the hardest workers are paid the least and taxed the most and having nothing to show for their hard labour then they think to themselves what is the fucking point of capitalism.
    And then they sign on the dole because it pays better. And so the benefits bill goes up for the whole country and we all pay more tax. It is a vicious cirlcle created by slave wage capitalists.
    Pay higher wages if you want less people to claim the dole.
    Simple, innit.

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    Old Archer says:

    modded WTF

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    The Desperate Tories Are Huffing And Puffing To Keep Up says:

    People on benefits have those benefits taxed at source.
    Back to the drawing board for you.

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    Jimmy says:

    You mean Hannan didn’t end up out of pocket?

    That is impressive. Some people do you know.

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    Moley says:

    The money you borrowed to buy your house didn’t exist before the loan was created.

    But the loan became an asset on the Bank’s books which allowed it to make further loans up to ten times (or more) of the mortgage value.

    These further loans were then counted as assets which would allow further loans on the same basis.

    None of the money that was loaned ever existed. The music has stopped and the house of cards has come tumbling down.

    Brown’s solution. The Government will borrow more money to pay off the loans. The loans to the Government (Gilts) will be bought by the banks, and treated as assets which will then allow them to lend on high multiples of the gilt holdings.

    And when Governments default; what then?

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    Old Archer says:

    true. whats to stop some skunk logging onto Facebook as a child and hitting the cop button. You have to prove your not. Fucking sinister I tell you.

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    Time To Go Gordon says:

    When “rich” people save money that’s called CAPITAL you numb nut. That’s where companies get money to invest. If nobody saved money how the fuck would banks be able to lend money to businesses?

    Get back to watching Teletubbies.

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    The Desperate Tories Are Huffing And Puffing To Keep Up says:

    So we will not accept a tax cut because the LibDems are EU fanatics?
    Hold on Bill, one minute you were saying the Lib Dems are a bunch of jokers and the next minute you are making out they rule the world.
    Make your mind up Bill.
    You are usually such an intelligent fellow but today you are as thick as pigshit.
    Too much vino last night?

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    South of the M4 says:

    Equally, 20% of the HoC will say 80% of what is said. And that 20% have proved to be fuckwits – and the 80% that said nothing, bigger fuckwits. The top item on all of their lists has been themselves. Sadly it has not been Pareto that has guided them, but Narcissus.

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    The Desperate Tories Are Huffing And Puffing To Keep Up says:

    Very good.
    Look I don’t want to fall out with you but I simply cannot believe that you, a staunch Conservatives is arguing against raising the personal tax allowance to 10K.
    Sit down, have a cup of tea and think about what you are saying Bill.
    You are pushing an incredibly contradictory and stupid line and it does not befit an intelligent person like you to do so.
    Just face that fact that the LibDems have stolen a march on the Tories.
    That’s all.

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    Next Valley says:

    Ewes or rams boy

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    Mr Slater's Pareto says:

    S-S-SKRAAAWWWKK!!! (svolazzare) (ting) (seppia)

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    The Desperate Tories Are Huffing And Puffing To Keep Up says:

    That used to hold water but since the taxpayer became the lender of last resort it no longer does.
    Everything has changed sinced we spent hundreds of billions of pounds of taxpayers’ money bailing out the banks.
    Working people produce CAPITAL which rich people then commandeer and put in banks and that CAPITAL is guaranteed by the TAXPAYER.
    Therefore your argument is flawed.
    Please return to the drawing board and try again.

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    volunteer says:

    Fuck off Jimmy.

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    Zeitgeist says:

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    Time To Go Gordon says:

    On what fuckin’ planet is this labourer paying proportionally more tax than Wayne Rooney? Unless he is on 80 Benson & Hedges and 2 bottles of Jack Daniels a day I very much doubt it.

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    hoon watch says:

    Fuck off tat.

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    Time To Go Gordon says:

    On for fuck sake. That’s like parents taxing their kids pocket money. Handouts taxed at source – utterly meaningless.

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    I’m only saying if you can fund at least some of your tax cut what’s not to like?

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    It's a Mystery says:

    Crazy plausible. Do you have a theory on why the election is being run like an argument over pennies rather than trillions of pounds?

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    Old Archer says:

    I’ve noticed some posts that mention the name that cannot be said have gone down the digital plughole today. or is it me?

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    The Desperate Tories Are Huffing And Puffing To Keep Up says:

    Oh God this is like talking to Joey Deacon without the guy who used to do the translating FFS.
    A labourer will pay over 50% of his wages on direct and indirect taxes and has done so for the last decade.
    If he does not claim tax credits because he does not want the government in his pocket even more and does not trust them to get the calculations wrong and fuck up his accounts totally he will pay almost 60% of his wage in direct and indirect taxes.
    Wayne Rooney on the other hand will have a crafty accountant who will do things like invest Wayne’s wages in companies that produce films or other tax deductable items to offset his income tax payments. He will also do things like create companies for Wayne so he can channel his earnings into and only pay 18% corporation tax. FFS even his accountant’s bill will be tax deductable. There are hundreds and hundreds of ways Wayne can reduce his tax liability that are simply not available to or affordable for the labourer to do.
    There, I think I have answered your question fully.

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    Old Archer says:

    Has browns admission left him open to world wide legal actions?

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    Time To Go Gordon says:

    Bailing out SCOTTISH banks – by ENGLISH TAXPAYERS – because Brown didn’t have a clue what he was doing and allowed interest rates to be kept too low thus allowing a property boom which got us into this mess. Then promptly printed £200 billion to pay for it all. Sound money. No more BOOM & BUST.

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    The Desperate Tories Are Huffing And Puffing To Keep Up says:

    If you were on 70 quid a week and that was taxed you would not consider such deductios meaningless, infact they could make the difference between whether or not you eat at the end of the week.

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    Lord G says:

    Labourers are paid less that everyone else because they do a job that pretty much anyone could do (even you!). It’s called supply and demand.

    Working hard does not just mean exhausting yourself physically, it means applying yourself as efficiently as possible to get the most done. If we all followed your principles then we would still be living in caves, with no ambition to apply ourselves to make life easier / better.

    Perhaps you should get back to playing with yourself.

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    The Desperate Tories Are Huffing And Puffing To Keep Up says:

    So you do not think that there is 17billion pounds of savings and cuts to be made from the bloated public sector.
    Come off it Bill you are sounding sillier and sillier.

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    Sir Everard Digby says:

    ah the crux of the issue-who judges who works ‘harder’ ? How should we assess that? What value should we place on the effort involved?Does a footballer work ‘harder’ than a doctor? Does a dustman work harder than a fireman? How do we equate the two? Until you answer that question, your argument is based on an impossible assumption -that you personally allocate degrees of hard work to people by job. Are labourers never lazy?

    Splitting along the lines of rich toffs do fuck all but have loads of money and it’s wrong is the politics of envy and no more.

  131. 131
    The Desperate Tories Are Huffing And Puffing To Keep Up says:

    They are not scottish banks now, they belong to the British taxpayer.
    If you are going to attempt to engage in debate get your facts straight.
    I am bored of you, you’re rubbish.
    Good day sir.

  132. 132
    Sir Everard Digby says:

    They pay no tax. A proportion of their benefit is confiscated by the state before they get it. Only the private sector ‘pays’ tax

  133. 133
    Carry On Don't Lose Your Head (1967) says:

    Personally, my view is we should take on these racist fuckers and beat their metaphorical brains out via quips, sleight and grunts. Now, do we legitimatise them in doing so? Who knows.. a blog could be swamped by the feckers all the same.

  134. 134
    Old Archer says:

    I remember a teacher way back when I was at school who told us all the first day in his class. Some of you will leave this school and work from the neck upwards and some of you will work from the neck downwards. Some of us laughed and some asked what he meant. He said I now know who is who. Years later he was right,with one or two exceptions.

  135. 135
    Time To Go Gordon says:

    A labourer will not pay more than 50% of his income in tax. If he’s got as little money as you make out he will pay virtually no income tax due to benefit handouts. If he’s living hand to mouth he’ll pay no tax on his mortgage/food/children’s clothes. By the time he’s done all that i’d be surprised if he had anything close to 50% of his money left.

    Maybe he should have worked harder at school, instead of hanging out at the amusement arcade playing space invaders.

  136. 136
    The Desperate Tories Are Huffing And Puffing To Keep Up says:

    When I talk of people who work hard I am talking of those who turn up at work on time and make things happen and get successful results.
    That is obvious.
    I use labourers as an example because there are so many that if they do not work hard they will be promptly sacked because they are ten a penny and have no union represention.
    As for supply and demand well that is an economic falsehood since the only supply and demand that exists in capitalism is the banks demand cash and the taxpayer supplies it.
    You see that is what Mervyn King was talking about when he spoke of the ‘moral hazard’.
    The capitalists argued risk and supply and demand justified high profits.
    As we, the taxpayer pick up the pieces when the capitalists welched on their debts such arguments in favour of big bonuses and excessive profits have become redundant.
    The moral hazard rubicon has been crossed, the capitalists have been carried across the river that was going to sweep them away by the taxpayer and as soon as we reached the other side they started telling us how important they are and how they deserve to be paid billions of pounds in wages and bonuses.
    The truth is that the bankers are not worth a light, they are nothing more than glorified office workers and should be paid accordingly or they will finish our economy off.

  137. 137
    Time To Go Gordon says:

    £70 x 52 = £3640

    Tax Allowance: £6450

    He’s not paying income tax.

  138. 138
    Tramp says:

    Hoon, it was joke!

  139. 139
    The Desperate Tories Are Huffing And Puffing To Keep Up says:

    Benefits are taxed.
    That is a fact.
    Sir Digby: the shyster who shows us the true face of Conservatism. He represent the employers who pay shit wages and then complain when people claim benefits because they are better off on benefits.
    You Tories have not changed one iota.
    Still the same old selfish narrow minded stupid party.
    You have slit your own throat here today Sir Digby, you have illustrated exactly what the Tory party stand for: slave wages.
    Well done.

  140. 140

    The thread moves on..
    I think you won.

  141. 141
    Time To Go Gordon says:

    Didn’t the Tories suggest letting Northern Rock to to the wall?

    Looks like the Tories are the party for you.

  142. 142
    The Desperate Tories Are Huffing And Puffing To Keep Up says:

    Time to go,
    you would be right if people lived in tents.
    But usually they live in houses or flats or bed sits.
    You tories would ofcourse be happier, I am sure, if those on benefits lived in shanty towns.
    Very progressive.

  143. 143
    The Desperate Tories Are Huffing And Puffing To Keep Up says:

    I always win Bill.
    You know that.

  144. 144
    The Desperate Tories Are Huffing And Puffing To Keep Up says:

    One policy does not make a party.
    I wonder if the Tories will ever learn that?

  145. 145
    The Ape Man Commeth says:

    Brill should chair one of the de-bates.

  146. 146
    pigs in space says:

    ‘intimate friend’, is there a subtle hint somewhere?

  147. 147
    The Bottle Fed Triplet says:

    Polish it all you like Sir Reginald, gold plate it even, in the end it is still a turd.

  148. 148
    Staffy says:

    “Who knows.. a blog could be swamped by the feckers all the same.”

    wot you saying , there could be more than 1

  149. 149
    Time To Go Gordon says:

    I agree they are not Scottish banks anymore the British – mainly English – taxpayer had to bail them out. I’m sure it didn’t escape your notice that all the failed banks were based in Labour’s heartland. As you will also be aware my facts are correct.

  150. 150
    Time To Go Gordon says:

    What a load of bollocks. Polish workers arrive here about 3 years ago and set up a business washing cars in Tesco’s car park. That takes effort. Nobody wants anybody living in a tent/shanty town we just want people to make a fuckin effort to get up in the morning.

    I would be delight if the tax allowance was £10k for low earners. Unfortunately McFuckwitt destroyed the country’s finances so that will probably have to wait for a few years.

  151. 151
    old john says:

    you can polish it but its still a turd…as for the chin grinning gone…not far as its back today.

  152. 152
    TosserWatch says:

    It takes no huffing and puffing to keep up with your arguments Mr ‘The Desperate Tories Are Huffing And Puffing To Keep Up…they are the age old slaglines that wealth creation is a sin that denies the working man of his right to food on the table…outdated and very usually based on the truth
    that those who say money means nothing have rarely had any so vote labour they suit your lexicon perfectly. simples innit

  153. 153
    Civil Servant says:

    Apparently, UKIP are “mostly racist” too according to the same reliable source who described Brown as “awesome.” Now who could that be?

  154. 154
    spole says:

    I heard the Shatsman’s letting JM go.

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