March 10th, 2010

Nick Hogan Freed by the Blogosphere

Nick Hogan, the publican who let his drinkers smoke, is a free man tonight, back behind the bar rather than behind bars, thanks to blog readers and libertarians who raised the £8,664.50 to spring him from jail.

Anna Raccoon has the full story, Old Holborn organised the fund raising and Guido was more than happy to publicise it.  Within hours co-conspirators had raised thousands to spring him from jail.

Nick Hogan is once more in the bosom of his family, able to support his wife Denise and their children, instead of being locked up with violent criminals.

A happy ending thanks to the generosity of blog readers…

UPDATE : Guy News was there and has footage of the cash being delivered to the jail by Old Holborn.  (Contact Emily.Nomates@GuyNews.TV for syndication rights).


486 Comments

  1. 1
    Gordon says:

    blast

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    • 3
      First says:

      pray tell us the story.first I’v heard

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    • 9
      GEORGIE PEORGIE says:

      We’re all in favour of the smoking ban together.

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    • 133
      Willsteed says:

      A pub landlord got locked up for six months for people smoking in his pub.

      My understanding of UK justice might not be that deep, but I thought you could slaughter a village of people in the UK and not get sent down with jail time?

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      • 144
        Steve Expat says:

        Pretty much right there!

        He was not actualy jailed for the smoking offence, rather for failure to immediately pay the £10,000 fine handed to him for that ofence

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        • 484
          Mr.Justicedogood. says:

          Now, the next step is to start ANOTHER Fund, to get all the Old Age Pensioners out of jail, who were sent there, by this communist government, for not paying their excessive and draconian, COUNCIL TAX !

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    • 135
      CHARLIE DIMMOCK'S EXPERTLY TRIMMED BUSH says:

      Well done Lord Old Holborn you should have said you were comming up norf i’d have come down i live just round the corner from forrest bank !

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    • 392
      Graham Osborne says:

      We’re all releasing pub landlords together

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  2. 2
    Shotgun Election says:

    Blast…Gordon with a shotgun

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  3. 4
    The Dirty Rat says:

    So, is he going to do it again and who will pay the next fine?

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    • 16
      Primus Inter Pares says:

      Old Holburn has been showing up alot on this one as well. He sounds mighty angry On his blog with the way things are at the moment and rightly so. Well done Guido and Old H… How will we manage when Brown declares a state of national emergency and bans democracy.

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      • 19
        Gordon says:

        make Lord OH a real lord

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      • 51
        Anonymous says:

        And Anna Racoon too! Is so good to see the blogosphere coming together and contributing to his release. Granted it is a small victory (paying money to HMG) but it is a change in state for Mr Hogan, happiness for his family and a collective result well done for all those who supported and followed this campaign.

        Now on with the Shiraz!

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    • 17
      concrete pump says:

      I jolly well hope he’s learnt his lesson.
      (inhale)
      (exhale)

      Aaahh!

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    • 55
      sockpuppet #4 says:

      He can’t can he?

      I got the impression he wasn’t technically a publican any more. He’d have to get his wife to do it (?).

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  4. 5

    we will all need a drink to get us through Darlin’s budget – he should do fine that day!

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    • 342
      Anonymous says:

      But will you be able to afford another drink the day after.

      Budget will quadruple excise duties on all save Hebridean Single Malts bought on the island of production.

      You read it here first.

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  5. 6
    Stepney says:

    One tick in my good box for the year.

    Welcome home Nick old son. Pour one for me.

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  6. 8
    Carry On Don't Lose Your Head (1967) says:

    Do the politicos yet understand that things have changed profoundly, irrevocably now the citizens can self-organise via the Internet? We should start fucking them up on a regular basis.

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    • 12
      Ghengis says:

      paying cash to them is fucking them up? I have a better solution

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      • 21
        Carry On Don't Lose Your Head (1967) says:

        There are a million and one ways to fuck them. What is government, but a narcissistic bureaucracy which by definition is thick as shit? We can run rings around them and still find the energy to play the Wii for an hour each evening.

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  7. 10
    Anonymous says:

    IF YOU CROSS THE NORTH KOREAN BORDER ILLEGALLY YOU GET 12 YEARS HARD LABOUR.

    IF YOU CROSS THE IRANIAN BORDER ILLEGALLY YOU ARE DETAINED INDEFINITELY.

    IF YOU CROSS THE AFGHAN BORDER ILLEGALLY, YOU GET SHOT.

    IF YOU CROSS THE SAUDI ARABIAN BORDER ILLEGALLY YOU WILL BE JAILED.

    IF YOU CROSS THE CHINESE BORDER ILLEGALLY YOU MAY NEVER BE HEARD FROM AGAIN.

    IF YOU CROSS THE VENEZUELAN BORDER ILLEGALLY YOU WILL BE BRANDED A SPY AND YOUR FATE WILL BE SEALED.

    IF YOU CROSS THE CUBAN BORDER ILLEGALLY YOU WILL BE THROWN INTO POLITICAL PRISON TO ROT.

    IF YOU CROSS THE U.K. BORDER ILLEGALLY YOU GET

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  8. 13
    PhilLaw says:

    An astounding blow for freedom. Brilliant. A very stupid law that curtails freedom. Yes smoking kills…when you are eighty and shitting in your pants and don’t know your own name.
    Bring it on.

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    • 15
      Ghengis says:

      are you 79 with a considerate carer

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    • 30
      Comintern says:

      Saw a funny story in the paper last week that was reported as a ‘warning’ to others not to smoke, an 85 year old man had died and chose as his funereal wreath ‘Smoking Killed Me’ what a lesson to learn there eh? Smoking killed me? AT FUCKING 85?!!

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    • 61
      The Gubberment says:

      Looks more like a £8,664.50 blow for freedom to me

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      • 118
        Smokers rule! says:

        Actually, kids of smokers have a 20% LOWER chance of getting lung cancer than those of non-smokers.

        People should know by now that the more something is hyped by government, the more likely it is to be a complete fucking lie.

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    • 190
      Anonymus says:

      Smoking kills people at all sort of ages, for all sorts of reasons you’ve no doubt been told.
      Vascular dementia and mini-strokes are linked to smoking.
      Not smoking is likely to increase the number of good years of life, not just total years.

      Feel free to kid yourself that it isn’t the case.

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      • 234
        Elmer says:

        Vascular dementia? Is that nutty lungs

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        • 295
          Anonymus says:

          vascular means related to blood vesels.

          Its when parts of your brain die off from lack of blood supply, related to things like high blood pressure and heart disease. Second most common form of dementia after Alzheimers.

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          • Willi Windbeutel says:

            Where do I live again? No no, no need to come with me, just point me in the right direction.

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          • The Wizz says:

            Now you are the sort of plonker that open his/her mouth without thought. I am an old person but I did give up smoking 11 years ago. However, my friend a damn sight younger than me gave up 20 years ago. I am still here, but my friend died of lung cacer.
            Doctors are aware that in some cases smoking is beneficial, because it kills off a lot of viruses.
            Who knows?

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          • The Wizz says:

            Sorry about the typo’s, just pissed off with the ‘holier than thou’.

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          • Niacin = Vitamin B = Nicotinic Acid.

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          • Anonymus says:

            Wizz. its the truth. cope with it.
            There was no “holier than though”, just correction of a statement related to ageing and smoking. Cancer is a big game of luck anyway – vascular problems are not, and even when they don’t kill you they make all sorts of problems worse. Fact. cope with it.
            And if you want to cope with those facts by pretending they don’t exist or kidding yourself that they are only pointed out by outrageous holier than thou gits, feel free. Kid yourself to cope with it.

            AC1. Do you worry about putting chlorine on your chips? And the acetic acid? Surely acid is what hippies take?

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    • 472
      Anonymous says:

      You forgot to mention that you became impotent at the age of fifty and had both your legs amputated at sixty. As you say: bring it on!

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  9. 22
    Another Excuse To Use The Word 'Tossflap' says:

    Good for Nick!!

    The judge who jailed him is obviously a tossflap!!!!!!!

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    • 34
      Another Excuse To Use The Word 'Tossflap' says:

      But those who passed this repressive legislation are bigger tossflaps.

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      • 39
        jgm2 says:

        WE had no choice. The EU told us to.

        Why do you think every other country in Europe is passing the same evil, anti-freedom, anti property rights legislation? Cos they all thought it was a fucking great idea?

        Naaaah. The fuckers are just doing as a bunch of arseholes in Brussels ordered ‘em.

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        • 60
          Another Excuse To Use The Word 'Tossflap' says:

          Agreed and understood.

          That makes our MPs spineless tossflaps, then

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        • 122
          Smokers rule! says:

          Difference is that they tried but failed to impose it in various EU countries.

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          • Another Excuse To Use The Word 'Tossflap' says:

            That makes we, the English, spineless as well.

            Thankfully there are true Englishmen like Nick willing to to stand their ground on such draconian legislation.

            I must also pass on my congratulations to OH, Guido et al for a sterling job in ensuring Nick’s freedom.

            Time for the English to stop complaining and start taking action!

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    • 36
      concrete pump says:

      ‘Spaz chops’ is a more suitable insult.

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    • 41
      budgiebumhole says:

      Your use of the vernacular is fucking aardvark wank.

      The judge is clearly ‘a shit flecked bubble of spunk ejaculated from the scabby bellend of Peter Mandleson after he’s pulled it out of Gordon Browns arse’.

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  10. 23
    Steve Expat says:

    Well done to OH, Anna, Guido and everyone else who publicised and contributed.

    Yet another example of draconian punishment resulting from minor offences – debtors’ jails are seen in the middle east, should have no place in the so-called first world.

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  11. 25
    caesars wife says:

    Yeah OH and Anna racoon and everyone who chipped in have done a good job .

    Nothing on Aljabeeba about ,what is the 5 year deficiet reduction plan , not hear soldier soundbite mentioned all day . I still cant quite hear what Labour were yah booing so ineptly to make Cameron so angry at PMQs . Note cleggy and co are shifting position catching some wind .

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  12. 28
    Lying Al Campbell, sinking gently into mental illness says:

    Meanwhile Balkan and Russian gangsters hold west and North london in a reign of terror, while Sri Lankans & Bangladeshis use machetes to settle scores with each other in South London.

    Best to go for the white working class little guy though, it’s the right thing to do.

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  13. 31
    denverthen says:

    Top job.

    Btw, that syndication link is dead. Is Emily Nomates really that shy? How cute.

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  14. 37
    jgm2 says:

    It is not a fucking blow for freedom. A blow for freedom would have been every landlord in the country allowing smoking in his pub, refusing to pay the fine and getting jailed. Swamp the fucking jails.

    Get the evil fuckers to spend 40K a year trying to extract 2K in fines.

    The evil bastards have won. They got their fucking money with menaces and the rest of us have been taught another valuable lesson about what is more important to the government. Locking up folk for GBH or locking up those who decline to impose your evil, anti-freedom legislation.

    Fucking c*nts.

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    • 42
      I agree with that chap says:

      on the button there

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    • 53
      Carry On Don't Lose Your Head (1967) says:

      The problem is the State – particulary this Labour one – is keen to turn it’s abusive power on individuals and no one wants to be the singleton on the receiving end. We can fight back collectively – which is very unlikely – or fight back smartly as individuals/small groups of like-minded folk. You shouldn’t underestimate the influence of blogs like this.

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      • 62
        jgm2 says:

        But he was a perfect ‘singleton’ on the receiving end. I’ve got money. Those wicked, evil fuckers can loot me till the cows come home and have and do.

        He on the other hand had absolutely nothing they could take away from him. He was far more use in jail as a focus for our righteous ire than freed with 8,000 quid of ransom money.

        Why not have a whipround for those Somali pirates holding that yachting couple while we’re about it. They deserve paying off just as much as this fucking government and the bastard courts.

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        • 68
          Somali Pirates says:

          Hear hear

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        • 87
          Carry On Don't Lose Your Head (1967) says:

          Well, I’m glad he is out of jail, but I do take your point.

          Our only hope is we are smarter than they are – Gordon Brown, the confused, petite-bourgeoisie, Son of the Manse isn’t as smart as he believes. And neither are most in his party. So what’s to stop us making them look like the dicks they are? Nothing really. So, yep, that’s where our attention should be focused, aside from the distractions.

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          • Willi Windbeutel says:

            Direct action. That’s what we need. In the run up to the election, wear a red rosette and go round knocking on doors. If nobody appears within 5 seconds, shout through the letterbox: “Come on out, you lazy c’unts! We know you’re in there! Vote Labour!”

            Hurry next door.

            Repeat.

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          • stilyagi_air_corps says:

            Open, coruscating mockery of these dourly self-righteous runts and whelps who bar our bay to hard-won Freedoms! Humour is a weapon: gross, keen and subtle. With this everywhere-flaiing, unsparing mace of deed and in-built droll contempt we saw off the terrors of Hitler; while others cowered and subserved , we made cruel fun of Bonaparte and beat him down because of his trousers; our own attempt, Cromwell, fell to disorganized frolic and cruel Pagan mockery. Humour is our own special key, our one survival. And we are the best in the World at it.

            Carry on.

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        • 417
          Jan says:

          I have a feeling that the Somali pirates will be paid off by McDoom just before the General Election,say, sometime in April In a blaze of publicity he will greet the hapless couple at Heathrow saying ‘it was the right thing to do’……Soon after that he will fly to Pakistan and pay the ransom for the little boy who has been kidnapped/sold ??? The second action will result in him getting 100% of the ethnic vote. Meanwhile there is no chance of him going to Brize Norton to greet the fallen as he is at too busy doing really important things.

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      • 65
        The Disorganised says:

        we better get ready to keep putting our hands in our pockets then.

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  15. 44
    Anonymous says:

    Match of the Day 2, Gordon Brown 0
    Downing Street request for prime minister to appear alongside Adrian Chiles on football show declined

    so If Gordon Brown was to go on MOTD, then Adrian Chiles should be allowed to have a stab at the budget.

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  16. 46
    IainM says:

    Broonie will be more pissed off than ever, more destroyed Nokias and Key boards, more abused staff! Thats an extra hike on the baccy tax then! He is a spiteful vindictive shit! As for those anti smoking facists they will be more hysterical than ever. I am loading up on the baccy!

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    • 67
      No health warning photo's on the pouch says:

      Find an Asian run corner shop and by smuggled. £7.50 for 50g, £6 if you buy 10

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      • 151
        Tattooed_Arry says:

        £6.50p for 50g at the Car-boot, no taxes for Gordon either.
        Win, win.

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        • 212
          D L George says:

          Electronic ciggies.
          36mg*30ml = £20.00 a bottle (should last a month or two) and perfectly legal in bars etc (no burning tobacco products).

          There’s no tax on liquid nicotine (yet!)

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  17. 47
    streamfisher says:

    Nice result, one poke in the eye (singleton) for this Government and its leader’s litany of shame.

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  18. 48
    14 then says:

    was there a general strike in about 1969. I was on a bus and it stopped. Everyone got off and all the other buses had stopped also. The talk was about jailed dockers and everyone was out on strike. I remember hearing some thing later that the official solicitor had sorted it. I was about 14 at the time so I can’t realy explain it.

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    • 346
      Willi Windbeutel says:

      >I was on a bus and it stopped. Everyone got off
      >I can’t realy explain it.

      It’s easy enough, really, if you know about buses.

      >The talk was about jailed dockers and everyone was out on strike.

      That was the sole topic of conversation from 1964-70 when friend Harold was in charge.

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      • 424
        Jan says:

        Actually there were strikes from 1964 all the way through to 1979. From Ford’s at Dagenham to British Road Services (1967) to the dockers to the seamen (1970) to electricity generation/miners’railways,local government, you name it, somebody was on strike.’Everybody Out’ was the favourite saying in those two decades.Most of the time the Labour Government was in power there was huge industrial unrest..Secondary picketing was allowed too which caused even more problems.

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  19. 50
    Mr Plum says:

    Heard Salmond moaning today that he wanted to be in the tv debates.
    As the Scottish parliament has responsibility for education and health there will not be much left for him to debate.

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  20. 56
    Anonymous says:

    I see the champagne socialists of the eu have voted 576 to 80 for the tobin tax.

    http://www.spectator.co.uk/coffeehouse/5832043/hague-and-cameron-are-vindicated-for-leaving-the-epp.thtml

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  21. 57
    Tattooed_Arry says:

    Why can’t we have elected Judges, Magistrates etc as I understand the Americans do, that way we can have the Justice we want, rather than put up with these bewigged idiots that we seem to be stuck with until Death kindly intervenes,
    Fixed terms of office of course.

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  22. 64
    I hate New Liebore says:

    Actor Corey Haim has died. Brown, Balls, Hoon, Mandelson and Campbell are still here. There’s no justice.

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  23. 71
    Angry Smoker says:

    Well done Nick and all his supporters, is an FoI request into Bolton Councils costs on the cards. See Nicks comments below

    http://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/s/1198289_landlord_who_defied_smoking_ban_released_from_jail

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    • 83
      The Fines Office says:

      The state owe you some money There is a reduction for the 11 days served.
      On another point there is a rough pub in Liverpool, gun fights often break out. everyone smokes in there. The cops don’t do shit as they know it would result in carnage.

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      • 103
        Beautiful Day says:

        There’s a club near me where everyone used to smoke waccy baccy, the landlord allowed it, the police turned a blind eye as they knew where the potheads were when they needed to find them.

        Then the smoking ban came in – everyone started smoking outside, even regular smokers, the council enforced it so there was no leeway and the customers understood the owner could lose his licence if one person complained.

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  24. 73
    Down With Brown! says:

    Congratulations on another victory for freedom, Mr Fawkes, hopefully another one is coming on May 6th!

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    • 79
      Troll y Bus says:

      define how paying a fine is a victory for freedom.

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      • 82
        jgm2 says:

        Fucking laughable isn’t it? The government holds this guy hostage and instead of sitting in jail acting as a magnet for the righteous ire of those of us who understand the meaning of ‘freedom’ we all club together and pay the fuckers off.

        A blow for freedom would have been to ram-raid the prison with a bulldozer and release the fucker by force.

        Paying up is a blow for servility.

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        • 84
          G Brown says:

          Your all not down trodden enough yet. wait untill I’v had 5 more years and see

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          • Down With Brown! says:

            If David Cameron wants to win a landslide he should light up a cigarette and start smoking during one of the TV debates. Millions of smokers will vote for him.

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          • Gordon genes are bad says:

            I’ll light up for that, and I don’t smoke

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        • 134
          stun says:

          Normally agree with most things you say, but in this case I don’t know if the blogs would ever have been enough to publicise the cause without releasing him first. I did, however, get into some debate as to the amount of publicity this should garner, now he’s out. And I don’t think that him returning quietly to his own private life – he did the smoke-in as a visible protest for obvious reasons – is desirable. Up to him, of course, but it would be effective for him to make something of it. Otherwise, the next campaign could be for benefit dodgers, or whatever, and the blogs will lose their power to make a point.

          Greetings from a more easterly part of Sussex, BTW.

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  25. 74
    Steve Expat says:

    O/T,

    Channel 4 ‘factcheck’ website calling Brown for his ‘untruths’ on defence at PMQs today – DC should just call him a liar and see himself rebuked.

    http://blogs.channel4.com/factcheck/2010/03/10/brown-gets-defensive-about-budgets/

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  26. 78
    Down With Brown! says:

    The MEP vote in favour of the stupid Tobin tax, only the European Conservatives and Reformists vote against. No wonder Cameron and Hague left the EPP.

    http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/danielhannan/100029418/meps-vote-overwhelmingly-for-an-eu-tobin-tax/

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  27. 88
    Tattooed_Arry says:

    You can still smoke in prison.

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  28. 89
    Down With Brown! says:

    Adam Boulton likens McDoom to Churchill. Churchill the dog would have made a better PM than the Scottish idiot.

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    • 94
      QWERTY says:

      Bolton is a socialist, he’s married to some Labour party bint. Sky is as far up the arse of Liebour as the BBC. Perhaps Sky and the BBC can give each other hand jobs up Gorgons backside.

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    • 96
      jgm2 says:

      I doubt that. Surely Adam Boulton is pointing out that it is Brown who is constantly likening himself to Churchill. Something I’ve been pointing out here and elsewhere for years.

      The books on wartime courage (cos running the country requires a chap to have a passtime), the grandstanding, the foreign trips to other world leaders, his desperation to be seen by the US president. The whole ‘adversity’ meme evoking the indominatable blitz spirit.

      The fucker is off his head. I expect him to take up painting and holidaying in the South of France before this is all over.

      He is off his fucking skull.

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      • 104
        Genetically perfect who breeds beautiful healthy children says:

        I am ROFL.

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      • 138
        Heading South. says:

        Yea and mugs are taken in by it. People who will vote for this sumbag know one thing. Where the fucks my giro……………. and who can I rob next!

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    • 215
      JT Snappernapper says:

      Are these hoons being coached? Toenails was saying exactly the same on t’WatO. Personally I think the better comparison is with Churchill’s parrot – and even then the parrot wins.

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    • 256
      D L George says:

      No no no no no no

      yes

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  29. 90
    QWERTY says:

    Fucking brilliant, but what is it about socialists that they love locking up members of the public who just disagree with them, yet paedophiles, rapists, drug pushers, murderers and other human scum are let out to roam the streets raping and molesting as they see fit.

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  30. 93
    Bill says:

    Hooray! Let’s burn the judges – they are fucking filth.

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    • 102
      jgm2 says:

      Well this one clearly was. Presumably the judge had it in his power to sentence him to (say) a week, call it a couple of days, to ‘teach him a lesson’.

      But no.

      Another self-important cock with a sheep’s head and a fat pension.

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      • 106
        Genetically perfect who breeds beautiful healthy children not like Gordon says:

        probably a former barrister who drank there,the bastard

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        • 409
          twats says:

          The scum-sucking pig was District Judge Timothy Devas (no pictures of the twat on the Net).

          The British judiciary are absolute fucking filth, and how could they not be with the greasy little corrupt criminal jew, Jack Straw, as Lord Chancellor.

          The filth in the judiciary always find jews, the rich, and political scum, innocent, no matter what. Everybody else is there to be fleeced or banged up. Judicial filth are increasingly having the assts of the ‘accused’ seized before trials and hearing, so they can’t afford to engage defence lawyers.

          The world regards the British judiciary as fucking shit from the sewer, and they are utterly right to think so.

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  31. 98
    CHARLIE DIMMOCK'S EXPERTLY TRIMMED BUSH says:

    The day they banned smoking in pubs
    i started again after being stopped for 17 years
    i could not believe the anti smoking gestapo coming round the pubs
    yet even more labour non jobs
    and being stood at the bar on your own while all your mates are out side in this big new shed having a fag

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    • 108
      Genetically perfect who breeds beautiful healthy children not like Gordon says:

      god you arty types have to make a point somehow

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      • 113
        CHARLIE DIMMOCK'S EXPERTLY TRIMMED BUSH says:

        Sorry mate not an arty type
        just an hairy arsed builder from up norf !

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        • 285
          tat says:

          fuck off you poseur, anyone who starts inhaling carcinogens again after 17 years off them must be a a liar or a fucking moron.

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  32. 105
    Jimmy says:

    So let me get this straight. You protested against the fine by paying it?

    If only we’d thought of that one during the Poll Tax.

    Next time pay double. They’ll never see that one coming.

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    • 109
      Genetically perfect who breeds beautiful healthy children not like Gordon says:

      yep get labour out by voting labour

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      • 128
        Down With Brown! says:

        Just seen DC get pissed off with the LAbour MPs for abusing parliamentary privilege to smear brave members of our armed services. More of the same please. The right way to react to the appalling, lying socialist cabal led by McDoom is fury!

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        • 160
          Jimmy says:

          Apparently someone called them tories. I grant you that’s a pretty nasty smear.

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          • jgm2 says:

            It’s not calling ‘em Tories that is so infuriating. It’s the knee-jerk jackass mentality of these Labour MPs that anybody who disagrees with their fuckwittery does so because they’re Tories and not because they’re so frustrated with the governments fuckwittery they cannot bite their tongue any longer.

            I was pointing out Brown’s economic idiocy on another website back in 2002. And the pr-Labour jackasses were the same then. They cannot get it into their fucking thick skulls that folk (in general) don’t give a shit who is in government as long as they’re not evidently fucking up. But as soon as you point out that Brown and Labour are fucking up you’ll get a shit-storm of abuse about how you’re motivated by anti-Labour or anti-Brown.

            No. I’m motivated by anti-fucking-idiocy. Same as these generals no doubt.

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          • Jimmy says:

            You’re right. It’s wrong to assume bias. A retired general working for Cameron and sitting on the board of an arms company could have any number of reasons for attacking government procurement policy. After all if it’s not the government’s fault for equipment shortages then who else could be to blame?

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          • Whispers in Daves lug says:

            I’m spinning it that they were calling the soldiers getting killed because they are tories.

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          • jgm2 says:

            You just can’t help yourself can you?

            And David Kelly – I suppose he was a Tory too.

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          • The Wizz says:

            Had you ever served in the ‘Armed Forces’ you would know that a socialist government are hell bet on destroying you. Why do you think the Government have closed down all services blogsites during this election?

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    • 130
      jgm2 says:

      Yeah. Fucking laughable.

      Hah! We showed them. We paid the fine!!!

      Jesus Christ.

      I hate this evil government. I fucking hate their evil souls with a passion but if I’d backed myself into a corner where they jailed me for my principled stand then the last thing I’d want is folk dipping into their pockets to get me out.

      That 8,000 quid just funded this heap of jackasses for another full second.

      How could anybody live with that on their conscience. Funding a full second of Brownian over-spend.

      Look chaps. It’s very simple. The way to destroy Brown is to pay fuck all taxes. Quit work. Do the bare minimum. Hoard your fucking money. Buy value brands. Shut the economy down.

      Destroy the beast.

      Brown’s incompetence has done a terrific job of destroying the country as it is so why prop it up by slaving for the fucker. Really?

      He won’t thank you for it. he’s going to steal all your money eventually so you might as well make a bonfire of it yourself and spite the fucker for it. That’s what he’s doing.

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    • 145
      Smokers rule! says:

      That mere £8k is buying a lot of publicity against the Hoons. Think how many voters are against the ban. In Europe, various countries had to back off on anti-smoking laws.

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      • 288
        The Duck of death says:

        I looked into growing my own baccy.
        The cultivating is not the problem it is the time it takes to dry out properly, 18 months or more,which would explain the properties of a lettuce.
        Plus a good tobacco needs a blend of more than one type of leaf.
        So in a nutshell,you need a lot of space and time.
        Not easy when you need a fag.

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  33. 107
    Thrusterbuster says:

    I would have thought the Tories could offer a free choice for premises to be smoking or not and then all would be placated either way. The employee question is simple you are either happy to work in a smoking place or not. We are all realistic to say that smoking does not improve your health but the ban has crucified the pubs in this country and has it stopped people smoking …clearly not. Nanny state gone mad.

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    • 110
      Genetically perfect who breeds beautiful healthy children not like Gordon says:

      The plan is to close the pubs, they breed resistance groups

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      • 115
        Down With Brown! says:

        Their plan is to close resistance groups.

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      • 116
        anon. says:

        and Muslims don’t like them.

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      • 126
        Tattooed_Arry says:

        Close the pubs and you’ll see a resistance group alright!
        The State relies on “recreational drugs” such as Alcohol to keep the population sedated in the same way that the Prison Service makes sure there are plenty of drugs available in prisons.
        When there are shortages the warders become very nervous.

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      • 159
        IainM says:

        Aye people tend to talk and mutter as they are not watching the State censored garbage that passes for TV here?

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    • 228
      JT Snappernapper says:

      On the contrary, smokers are at lower risk of senile mental degeneration, and their children take up less time at the GP.

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  34. 121
    Plato says:

    What a cracking result for personal freedom – well done to Anna and OH for mobilising this effort and Guido’s traffic.

    Hopefully this is just the start…

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    • 137
      jgm2 says:

      A cracking result for personal freedom? What did they do? Hi-jack a chopper and fly him out of prison? Blow a hole in the wall and ride off on their horses?

      No. They paid the fine.

      Gaaaah. Those American Revolutionaries were sure missing a fucking trick there eh?

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      • 262
        Blows hard and sez no says:

        This is a classic example of British violence. What did you do? I got bloody angry thats what,not even a foot stamps worth.

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    • 147
      Aristotle says:

      fuck off Plato you uneducated twat

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      • 355
        Socrates says:

        Ari, I’ve had cause to warn you before about your potty mouth. Watch it, my son, or one dark night you might find yourself set upon by a gang of hoplites.

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  35. 129
    Heading South. says:

    Go on wankers vote for the reds. Even the blue’s…..stroke reds.

    The country is finished, fucking finished thanks to the wankers who run it. Great Britain? What a fucking joke. BBC wankers, the lot. Fuck you!

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  36. 132
    Smokers rule! says:

    Remember folks, the fine for YOU smoking in a public place (not necessarily a pub) is negligible. AND you can make it even more expensive for them.

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  37. 140
    streamfisher says:

    Heard on previous thread that Gordon tried to get himself on BBC match of the day to promote his profile in the run up to the general election, Well Gordon what do you think about the first half…I thought Ashcroft was crap…. but he wasn’t playing and he isn’t a football player…. oh,well, over the moon, hopefully, gutted and deducted 15 points for going into administration.

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  38. 141
    Fag Police says:

    He will be tagged, hounded, bullied, controlled until he gives up the evil weed.

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  39. 146
    Down With Brown! says:

    Fucking great stuff from Cameron reminding the Socialists that Thatcher and Reagan won the Cold War while they all wore CND badges and took KGB cash. It’s shame that there’s been a Communist take-over in Britain the last few years.

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  40. 152
    Odds Bodkins says:

    Splendid! A beer and a fag are inextricably linked.

    I do hope this sets a precedent.

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  41. 155
    Margaret Beckett's baskets aren't the only thing of hers hanging says:

    When Brown’s thrown out in 8 weeks, his punishment should be to spend 18 hours a day being forced to look at Margaret Beckett’s withered old fish flaps.

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  42. 156
    Lord Mandybum says:

    Gordon smokes….when I rub him hard enough

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  43. 157

    Well done all – but pathetic that it happened in the first place.

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  44. 158
    Cameron will be PM in 8 weeks says:

    It was great to see Cameron on fiery form today. He should be like this every week.

    Go to 7:02 to see him tear into the disgusting Labour MPs for their slur.

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b00rdv2w/Prime_Ministers_Questions_10_03_2010/

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    • 161
      Cameron will be PM in 8 weeks says:

      And listen out for Brown’s “it is common cos.” One to add to:
      “Post-Code War”
      “I will do my outmost”
      “Constihuencies”

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      • 164
        Cameron will be PM in 8 weeks says:

        Harpy Harman having another of her hissy fits at 9:44. What a ridiculous woman.

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        • 198
          barefootcontessa says:

          Yes, keep it up Cameron, you did good in PM’s questions. Bate the bully!

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        • 219
          Dave suffers from PMS says:

          Dave only got worked up because it is his time of the month.

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          • barefootcontessa says:

            I wouldn’t find it difficult to shout at Bruin. He is the pits. Definitely suffers from verbal diarrhoea, apart from all his other personality disorders!

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    • 179
      Odds Bodkins says:

      @ 12:40

      “Ordure! Ordure!”

      What a commotion. Not much of a speaker is he?

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  45. 166
    Genetically Modified Gordon says:

    So Old holborn got vilfied for this., I’d like to hear more about that. Come on Lord Holborn spill the beans

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  46. 167
    QWERTY says:

    Labour now attacking the Generals, expect the BBC to join in the smears as well.

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  47. 168
    Ordinary bloke says says:

    I am geting quite turned on by the heavy petting that is going on betwen BA and Unite. BA staff have been shafted, and to rub salt into their wounds they are told that their job can be covered by temp staff if they want to go on strike. So a cabin crew member can easily be replaced by a baggage handler? I think not. Yet there is no strike, quel surprise!!! Are Unite simply hedging their bets at I wonder. Bugger me(thats not an invitation Mandlebum) if the Tory filth havn’t just caused BA to grind to a stand still having just been elected. And what of the postal dispute?????No industrial action…… no we can wait until the Conservatives get in otherwise we we will fade away like the useless pieces of shit that we are. Not that I am a bitter person!

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    • 173
      jgm2 says:

      Ryanair manages with Cabin Staff who’ve been on a one day course and in possession of a Polish passport.

      What’s to know? Here’s the grub, here’s the booze, here’s the emergency exit. In fact it’s trickier for the Ryanair staff because they spend the whole flight trying to flog you lottery tickets and packets of Pringles to supplement their wages.

      Fuck the BA cabin staff. Fire the lot of ‘em. Let them get a job with O’Leary if they’re so fucking special.

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      • 180
        jgm2 says:

        I’m off on holiday in July. And BA are supposed to be the first leg. If the cabin crew do go on strike then I shall be off to the small claims court for a figure approaching the maximum for my share of costs alone. And so will my wife. And so will my kids.

        That’s enough money to keep one of the molly-coddled fuckers in free flights and nasty sex in the Caribbean for a whole year.

        They’re going to be just like the miners. Strike themselves all out of a job just so that Air France can fly us all via Paris on holiday.

        Fucking idiots.

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        • 362
          Human Resources says:

          Dear Mr Jgm2

          We would be most interested in retaining you as an industrial relations consultant.

          Yours sincerely, etc.

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          • jgm2 says:

            Nothing I or anybody else could say would dissuade those union jackasses from using the BA staff as cannon fodder in their proxy war with the Tories.

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      • 184
        Ordinary bloke says says:

        I am not ONE of them but I have knowledge of them (unfortunately not intimate [Lorraine Shaw If your listening] BA Cabin crew are trained at a very high level and to suggest baggage handlers/sandwich deliverey operators can fill in any gaps is ludicrous. I don’t fly but if you are happy with a handler that likes to sniff gussets as being in charge of an incident in flight then more the fool you. I just propose that any threatened strike action has not been forthcomming and wont until the Conservatives get in. This is a game of chess and any union will not take action if Labour remain in power.

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        • 196
          jgm2 says:

          In charge of an incident in flight? The Ryanair ones do alright for 1/4 the money.

          What’s to know? In the event of an emergency we will spread ourselves over several square miles. Failing that – here are the emergency exits…

          This is a game of chess and any union will not take action if Labour remain in power.

          This is not a fucking game of chess. This is the union wilfully selling its members down the river just so that they can order them to mass protests against a Tory government when the inevitable tough decision can be deferred no longer.

          This is Labour and the Unions wilfully fomenting civil unrest. Pitching one part of society against another when if Labour had been working for all of us instead of just buying votes with borrowed money since 2002 we wouldn’t be in the shit we’re in now.

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          • The Dot says:

            and I’m not one of them is one of them

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          • barefootcontessa says:

            It’s that lovely little Irish person who’s at the bottom of the problem with BA – stirring and stirring, and stirring!

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          • sockpuppet #4 says:

            Theres all sorts of emergencies that don’t result in everyone dying.
            We’re pretty complacent about aircraft safety, not having had any fatals since the mid 80s. (you might note that manchester and Kegworth had plenty of survivors).

            You don’t need to slag them all off because of BA.

            But what “Ryanair manages with” is no recommendation. The day theres an accident bad enough to open those overhead lockers, god knows what 200 x 15Kg of cabin luggage will do to the passangers.

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          • sockpuppet #4 says:

            PS: other airlines are available.

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        • 412
          The Wizz says:

          In that case, BA will go down the pan with thousands of jobs being made redundant. This is not only BA staff but all the supportng industrial staff. Where does that get you?

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          • The Wizz says:

            Sorry jgm 2 wrong target, meant for 184. Must get with the program.

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          • sockpuppet #4 says:

            Probably leaves me on an easyjet flight with a small packet of peanuts, rather than on BA with a strange plated meal that I wouldnt have wanted to pay for.

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      • 195

        jgm2 – quite. If their life was so bad they wouldn’t be striking to keep the status quo, they’d be heading off to another airline.

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      • 259
        Doctor Mick says:

        You hardly need an education of any sort to be cabin crew. They may be well “trained” but so are captive dophins and seals.

        Sack the bleedin lot of them – they’re a snotty lot anyway – and get some of them Emirates’ gels – “chicken or beef, Sir?”

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        • 271
          Ordinary bloke says says:

          So dolphins speak a second language?? Not a bright remark. What qualifications are required to be a BA cabin crew?

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          • A complete fucking idiot says:

            I wouldn’t mind having dolphins serve me drinks at 25,000 feet.

            They might have a problem demonstrating the safety drill, though, trying to keep upright on their flukes.

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          • Engineer says:

            Having nice legs and a friendly smile.

            S’pose that does exclude the dolphins…

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    • 174
      jgm2 says:

      The strikers are being held off precisely so they can start striking on the Tory shift and blame the entire shitpot on Cameron.

      If you needed proof that the Unions and Labour are in collusion to destroy the country as a mere sideshow to picking up where they left off in the 1970s then look no further.

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      • 201
        Ordinary bloke says says:

        Jols gone mental you have seen the light,but I think reading your comments on another blog you are are actually pretty much on target.

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      • 203
        nell says:

        Well let’s hope we get a Tory shift jgm.

        After lyinggordon’s speech about ‘having the character……’ to take Britain into another five years , so soon after his claims of a moral compass that were exposed as a complete fabrication – I have to admit I am desperately keen to see the back of this deeply flawed, incompetent man.

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      • 227
        Ordinary bloke says says:

        JGM as I said I dont like to fly. I say again I am not employed by BA. I would say that hearing the training that BA cabin crew go through would make me feel more confident. When I have flown on the cheaper service I got the feeling that all I would get in an emergency was advice on where the best tanning salon was. If you revisit my initial remark it was to denegrade the union. Mine is simply a personal observation.

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        • 257
          Ordinary bloke says says:

          I will repeat again that UNITE are a bunch of twats. It does not make the cabin crew etc included in the same bunch of twats. If your union decides to strike what power do you have?????? You moan about the union block vote but what about those that do not want to comply….. they have NO VOICE. Why have Unite not gone on strike????? Obviously setting the pathway to strike SHOULD a Conservative governement get elected. Remove your head from your neighbours arse and focus on ther future. The union maybe screwded but that does not mean the staff are likewise inclined. You stand up as an individual and hope your fellow man will do like wise???? …No I thought not.

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          • barefootcontessa says:

            Is that other lovely little Irishman called Dromie (spouse to Harriet) at the bottom of this?

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          • Blows hard and sez no says:

            Change the record.

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          • Eh says:

            this reply should be above,fix your site guido

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          • Eh says:

            who sent you?

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          • caesars wife says:

            perhaps they dont want to listen to this , but striking at a holiday is erm not really that clever , i dont really fly that much ,but BA rely on a lot of goodwill by the British public to have a high quality national airline . seems a bit nutz to me if your needing your airline to be profitable

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          • Ordinary bloke says says:

            There is no reply available to the post by the lovely barefoot contessa so I would emplore you to stay your natural urges and think. Just because you belong to an organisation or company does not mean that you agree to the decisions that they take. To say that you can simply move on is rediculous. Would you jeopodise the security of your family just to tow the ‘party line’? No you would do what is necessary to put food on the table and to pay the bills. Most people do not have the luxury to play politics, we play the ‘game’ to survive. Labour are shite and as I said on the original post, they are waiting to bushwack the Conservatives should they be electedf.

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          • Heart FM says:

            Any record requests?

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          • Engineer says:

            UNITE is an anagram of “UNTIE”.

            Of absolutely no significance, but interesting, nonetheless.

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      • 297
        Ordinary bloke says says:

        Yes you are right which is what I have been saying.

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  48. 177
    I have seen the future says:

    The only way to make a difference is to start killing MP’s

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  49. 182

    [...] that Nick Hogan, the pub owner sent to chokey for letting people smoke, has got free, due to people like you rainsing the monet for his fine (which he couldn’t pay because the bastards bakrupted him.) Guido has a full roundup here. [...]

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  50. 188
    He's not the Prime Minister, he's a very incompetent c/unt says:

    Wake me up on May 7 when Cameron is PM.

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    • 191
      Anonymous says:

      Or put the pillow over his face if Brown gets back in.

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      • 206
        barefootcontessa says:

        Keep it up Cameron, we must get rid of Newlabour at all costs! The thought of another 5 years of that dollop of porridge and his totally incompetent and self serving government fills me with despair!

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  51. 193
    Joe says:

    I’m glad smoking is banned in pubs and so are the vast majority of drinkers so fuck Nick Hogan and fuck you, I’m much ahppier being able to go down my local and not come away stinking of someone else’s cancer-sticks.

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    • 439

      Until the pub closes (like 50 a week do) because enough of the punters liked a smoke with their drink.

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    • 446

      Please tell us where your local is so that we don’t have to drink with sanctimonious c’unts like you.

      Have they not invented washing machines and showers in your neck of the woods yet?

      Bet you vote Liebour too, you windowlicker.

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    • 453

      It will be nice for you to have it all to yourself, at least until the place closes.

      In the meantime, we’re all going somewhere we can have a gasp and it shouldn’t bother you a bit as you’ll be at your own local, so it is of no consequence what we do in the place where you aren’t.

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    • 455
      TosserWatch says:

      under any rational government the choice would be the establishment’s to make non smoking or smoking and then you could fuck off and bore yourself rigid somewhere where they don’t smoke. Twat

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    • 483
      Pub Bloke says:

      Comrade Joe,

      Thanks for my pub going down the pan, arsehole. Your comrades’ “smokefwee” diktat killed it and, even now, you won’t take responsibility for what you’ve done. You socialists are such lovely unselfish people.

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  52. 197
    lollollol says:

    I notice that comments critical of N,ick H, ogan and in favour of the smoking ban are being deleted.

    Not very democratic eh?

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  53. 202
    Moley says:

    Those of us who paid towards Nick Hogan’s fine paid out what we could afford to give; there was no huge pain.

    The amount of money the state got was piddling.

    This means that the State can no longer single out individuals to make an example of them because they will be protected from harm by their fellow citizens.

    The big question for the State is;

    How much further will people go to protect their fellow citizens from State bullying?

    And the answer is;

    As far as it takes; as far as it takes.

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    • 213
      jgm2 says:

      Bollocks.

      This would only be true if thousands of us had marched on the prison, bust our way in and freed Nick Horgan with our bare hands.

      Paying his captors is as brave as paying the Barbary Pirates or the Danes to leave us alone.

      I’m at a loss as to how paying this blokes fine can be considered anything other than a complete capitulation.

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    • 214
      Moley says:

      An interesting aside;

      Does anybody now question that the State is an enemy of the people?

      Think about that you politicians; you robbed us with your expenses fiddling, you lied to us with your promises over Europe and now you have become our enemies.

      That needs to be mended.

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    • 218
      barefootcontessa says:

      What will the state do with the 8 grand|? Piss it up against the wall? Pay the wages of a couple of state lawyers for a couple of days’ work?

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    • 224
      The Dot says:

      and the bottom line is the state will happily accept money ad infinitum

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      • 242
        barefootcontessa says:

        They’ve had far too much money. They’ve been wallowing in money, and Labour haven’t had the first clue how to spend it, so they’ve thrown it away, left, right, and centre. Now it’s all gone!

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  54. 204
    Baz says:

    Let’s hope he doesn’t do it again!

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    • 216
      jgm2 says:

      Yeah. Or we’ll have to pay his kidnappers another 8K. In fact we paid up so easy this time they’ll probably demand more next time.

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      • 325
        Moley says:

        Would it have been better if nobody did anything and Nick Hogan just stayed in prison while his family was destroyed?

        I say No.

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  55. 207
    Funny old World says:

    German anti-tobacco policies accelerated towards the end of the 1930s,and by the early war years tobacco use had begun to decline. The Luftwaffe banned smoking in 1938 and the post office did likewise.Smoking was barred in many workplaces, government offices, hospitals,and rest homes. The NSDAP (National sozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterpartei) announced a ban on smoking in its offices in 1939, at which time SS chief Heinrich Himmler announced a smoking ban for all uniformed police and SS officers while on duty. The Journal of the American Medical Association that year reported Hermann Goering’s decree barring soldiers from smoking on the streets, on marches, and on brief off duty periods. Sixty of Germany’s largest cities banned smoking on street cars in 1941. Smoking was banned in air raid shelters-though some shelters reserved separate rooms for smokers.(18) During the war years tobacco rationing coupons were denied to pregnant women (and to all women below the age of 25) while restaurants and cafes were barred from selling cigarettes to female customers. From July 1943 it was illegal for anyone under the age of 18 to smoke in public. Smoking was banned on all German city trains and buses in 1944, the initiative coming from Hitler himself,who was worried about exposure of young female conductors to tobacco smoke.

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  56. 211
    barefootcontessa says:

    So the high echelons of the civil service are going to have a pay freeze!!!!!! Oh dear, I feel so sorry for them! What about the whole of the civil service having a pay freeze, and the higher ones taking a 20% cut in pay!

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    • 229
      Gorgon says:

      don’t worry thats coming,just getting the managment to set the example first

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      • 261
        jgm2 says:

        But the management have already set an example. They voted themselves a 1000 quid payrise.

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        • 268
          barefootcontessa says:

          Yes, they’ve already got a head start.

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          • Engineer says:

            Did you notice how some of them very sanctimoniously assured us that they wouldn’t take their pay rise?

            What they didn’t say was that their self-imposed restraint was only until the end of the current parliament.

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  57. 217
    Rick Nobinson says:

    Have you seen Gordon’s Churchill impersonation ?????!!!!!

    No, nor has anyone else.

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  58. 220
    barefootcontessa says:

    Yes, Mr Bruin, the country IS at a crossroads! Thanks to you we are living in a country that is all but bankrupt.

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  59. 232
    nell says:

    Oh Dear mldded! No idea why. Let’s try again.

    Well I’m n++t a s+pp+rter of the sm+ki+g lobby. But I think it is frightening that we would actually impr+s+n someone because they were.

    It will be the enduring trademark of this failed authoritarian labour government that it introduced hundreds of draconian laws that have crimin+lis+d and impr+s+ned innocent people, for ‘offences against this labour state’ which are clearly not cr+m+nal.

    If cameron does win the next election these unjust laws must be repealed

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    • 237
      nell says:

      modded twice. I give in. I was only trying to make a point about the 100’s of unjust laws ,that criminalise innocent people, that gordon and labour have introduced over the last 13 years and how we need to get then repealed

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    • 352
      albacore says:

      You phrased that rather nicely, Nell.
      Does anyone here believe that Cameron would repeal those laws?
      Watch PM’s Questions again. Brown cool as a cucumber, gibbering claptrap; Cameron equally ineffective in high-decibel ranting as he is in shrinking-violet mode; Harman waving her arms about, in turn talking to herself and projecting invective at whoever; etc.
      And all of them enjoying the cameraderie enormously.

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    • 431
      Doctor Mick says:

      It was because he could not afford to pay his fine. It’s ironic that under NuLabor it’s the poor smokers who get jailed whereas the rich smokers can just, er, cough up.

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    • 486
      John Terry is snide and not to be trusted says:

      For the umpeenth time HE WAS NOT JAILED BECAUSE OF SMOKING – HE WAS JAILED BECAUSE OF NON-PAYMENT OF A FINE. Fucking hell, how many more times before it penetrates thick skulls!

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  60. 235
    Gordon ( SoldGoldAtThe ) BottomBrown says:

    In my Alastair’s forthcoming Budget you will see that I he has allocated a sum of £ 650,000,000 expenditure to provide every man, woman and child with their own water wings, if we are re-elected.

    As I said to you this morning, I will not let you drown

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    • 246
      barefootcontessa says:

      We are at the crossroads though.

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    • 269
      nell says:

      alastair wants a responsible budget with spending cuts that reassure the international financial markets who have to buy gordon’s massive debts. gordon is desperate for a budget to buy British votes.

      I wonder who will win?! And I wonder what gordon is going to give us – that he thinks will buy our votes. I’m looking forward to this!!

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      • 299
        nell says:

        modded again! OK blows hard – double spacing hmm?

        darling wants a responsible budget with s p e n d i n g c u t s that r e a s s u r e the i nt er nat ional fin an cial m ark ets who have to buy gordon’s m a s s i v e d e b t s. gordon is d e s p e r a t e for a budget to buy British votes.

        I wonder who will win?! And I wonder what gordon is going to give us – that he thinks will b u y our votes. I’m looking forward to this!!

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    • 289
      P. Mandevilson, the Eminence Greasy says:

      A Floater, Free For All ???

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  61. 239
    Dack Blog says:

    Can’t we jail people who bring children into pubs? Or at least bring them into pubs, let them run around screaming and expect everyone else to find said annoying offspring cute and/or amusing?

    It’s not a fucking creche, ffs. Fuck off, I’m reading the paper/getting pissed/falling off my barstool. Next time I’ll make sure I fall on your unsupervised brat.

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    • 294
      Engineer says:

      Do I sense the lingering frustration of a recent unfortunate experience? The lingering memory of the stress induced when the mind overcomes the body’s natural desire to strangle the last breath out of some prat who thoroughly deserves that fate?

      (Agree entirely though. Some places should be sacrosanct.)

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      • 311
        Dack Blog says:

        Pubs used to be places for curmudgeonly grown ups like me. Now they’re full of indulged kids destined for disillusionment when they grow up to realise that the universe doesn’t revolve around them.

        Anywhere else I’d feel sorry for them.

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        • 343
          Engineer says:

          There’s a long-established pub in town that has a notice by the door on the way in stating firmly “Family Unfriendly”.

          In these times when many pubs are struggling, it’s doing very well. There’s a moral there, somewhere.

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    • 357
      Gordon says:

      It was them little shits me and Tony used to start the smoking ban.. oh shit wrong computer,thought I was on my diary one

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  62. 245
    Mitch says:

    If tony blair and gordon were drowning and you had to choose…
    Would you go to lunch or to a movie?

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    • 253
      barefootcontessa says:

      I’d stand on the bank and cheer.

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      • 255
        jgm2 says:

        Throw ‘em a car battery to cling onto.

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          barefootcontessa says:

          Throw them nothing, perhaps a smile and a wave.

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          • I like being the shower bitch in prison says:

            Stand at the river wanking off furiously at them drowning while they look on in abject terror in the midst of panic and slow death as they meet their watery grave.

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          • Engineer says:

            Throw them a piece of wood. Javelin-shaped, for preference.

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          • P. Mandevilson, the Eminence Greasy says:

            I’d buy everyone lunch, claim it on expenses, appoint myself as Queen and get Brazil onside in the upcoming Falklands Crisis.

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          • Steve Expat says:

            Throw them a line – of barbed wire

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          • I like being the shower bitch in prison says:

            Or stand at the river bank, unzip my trousers, take down my boxer shorts, bend over and part my two buttock cheeks apart with my hands and stand there crouched over, squeezing out a brown shit that will slide slowly into the water towards them while Tony and Gordon look on in abject terror in the midst of panic and slow death as they meet their watery grave.

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      Blows hard and sez no says:

      start a book on who drowns first,10/1 Gordon

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        Steve Expat says:

        10/1 on a two horse race?

        That makes Tony favourite by mile – I’ll lay Gordon at 9/1, the fat c.unt would almost certainly be gone first!

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    Mr Choudray says:

    ALLAH ACKBAR

    BEHEAD THE ALCOHOL DRINKERS

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    barefootcontessa says:

    Gordon Bruin, – get that dog chipped!

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  65. 251
    Mr Choudray says:

    ALLAH ACKBAR

    behead the drinkers

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      Engineer says:

      ‘Op it, pal. A pint or two has been the Englishman’s right for at least a couple of millenia.

      Don’t diss our culture.

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  66. 252
    Mitch says:

    How do you stop a lawyer from drowning?

    Shoot him before he hits the water.

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    I like being the shower bitch in prison says:

    Why didn’t he dig his way out like in Shawshank Redemption

    Now that would of been a story

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    Gordon Brown's Press Officer says:

    Gordon Brown wishes Nick”Hulk” Hogan th every best of luck for the future

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  69. 290
    Moz says:

    What a disgraceful act of anti-semitism by the BBC’s Alan Green on the Radio 5 football commentary earlier, accusing the Glazers of being “Nazis” when everyone knows they are Jewish.

    Knowing the dhimmis at Al-Beeb they wil thoroughly approve of Green’s blatant Jew-baiting. He will probably get a promotion!

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    JL says:

    Good article by Ben Brogan on what the Tories should do against the pathologically dishonest sociopathic lunatic that is Gordon Brown:

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/comment/columnists/benedict-brogan/7416590/Gordon-Brown-has-voters-in-a-trance-its-time-for-a-wake-up-call.html

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      Ted says:

      The FSA is tonight predicting a 23% fall in UK house prices this year.

      Oh dear, looks like Brown’s debt-fuelled party is over.

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        FSDT says:

        If they think it’s 23% then the fall is more likely to be nearer 35%. They’re already slashing prices like mad here in Oxfordshire and still nobody’s buying.

        The madness had to end sometime.

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          Beautiful Day says:

          Had a call from an estate agent today that the price of a flat I’m just going to put on the market should be raised from his valuation a month ago – is everyone downsizing?

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          jgm2 says:

          Good. They nned to come down at least 35%. 50% would be better. Then crank up interest rates to keep house prices at sensible levels. That way folk will be able to afford their houses instead of beggering themselves for years just for a roof over their heads. Putting off starting a family because the only way they can afford the mortgage is if both of ‘em keep slogging away. Then, when they do eventually decide they’ve got enough cash or have their feet sufficiently under the table of their career they find that, oops, its all a bit late for kids.

          Meanwhile the doleistas are popping out little bastards in between skipping maths and skipping PE.

          We must be the only society in history that is breeding ourselves thicker. Not only that but the ‘smart’ ones are actually paying for the privilege of relying on thick c*nts to keep society functioning into their old age. It’s fucking evolution in reverse.

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      barefootcontessa says:

      What IS the man talking about? He talks and talks and talks, but I don’t understand a word he’s talking about! He has the ability to ramble on and on and on. He probably doesn’t understand either.

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      Little papers brainwash little minds says:

      If the telegraph went tabloid size and changed its name to the tits for a month the conservatives would romp home in May.

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  71. 309
    Blackadder2 says:

    Note how the bloke on the other end of the phone in this clip is smoking, a small act of rebellion against Hitler. Adolf’s spirit lives on.

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    bREZHNEV ERA CONTINUES says:

    “I will not allow house prices to get out of control and put at risk the sustainability of the recovery.”
    Gordon Brown’s 1997 Budget Statement

    “Under this Government, Britain will not return to the boom and bust of the past.”
    Pre-Budget Report, 9th November 1999

    “Britain does not want a return to boom and bust.”
    Budget Statement, 21 March 2000

    “So our approach is to reject the old vicious circle of the…the old boom and bust.”
    Pre-Budget Report, 8 November 2000

    “Mr Deputy Speaker we will not return to boom and bust.”
    Budget Statement, 7 March 2001

    “As I have said before Mr Deputy Speaker: No return to boom and bust.”
    Budget Statement, 22 March 2006

    “And we will never return to the old boom and bust.”
    Budget Statement, 21 March 2007

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    bREZHNEV ERA CONTINUES says:

    1. Taxing dividend payments

    Before 1997, dividends issued by UK companies and paid to pension funds were tax-free – that is, the tax could be claimed back via a system of tax credits. Not any more, decided Brown. Tax relief was scrapped, reducing the amount collected by pension funds by around £5 billion a year. Pension funds holding the cash that you, me and almost everyone else in the country plan to use for our retirement have lost around £100 billion over the last 12 years. That’s one hell of a stealth tax.

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      Anonymous says:

      Indeed.
      I was a 40% taxpayer for many years with a final salary pension.
      Company struggled to finance the scheme so “let go” myself and other expensive employees.
      Voila. For 5 years I pay no tax and am a huge burden (together with my children) on the taxpayer.
      The real life effects of Brown’s stealth taxes.
      EVERYBODY LOSES (Even public sector employees, albeit belatedly)

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        Steve Expat says:

        Everybody who works for a living, rather than lay around and live on ‘benefits’ loses. The latter, they do rather well…

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  74. 315
    bREZHNEV ERA CONTINUES says:

    Selling our gold

    In May 1999 Gordon Brown had a plan to sell some gold. There were two problems with this, which concerned his economic advisers deeply. The price of gold had slumped after a decade of stagnation, but was likely to increase in the proceeding years. Added to this, the announcement of a major sell-off would drive the price down further. Little of this worried Gordon. Experts believe that the poorly timed decision to flog our national treasure has cost us all around £3 billion. Granted, that doesn’t seem much nowadays, but more of that later.

    3. Tripartite financial regulation

    The system of financial regulation dividing powers between the Treasury, the Bank of England and the Financial Services Authority, established by Brown as Chancellor in 2000, missed what amounted to the biggest financial crisis of our lifetime. Whoops. This has led some glass-half-empty commentators to conclude that the system set up by Brown failed and should be replaced. The Commons Treasury Select Committee’s report on the collapse of Northern Rock said that the Financial Services Authority had “systematically failed in its duty” to oversee the troubled bank’s activities. Little did it realise at the time that Northern Rock was the over-leveraged tip of the securitised iceberg.

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    Video video video

    Gordon brown sings the hit song “I won’t let you down”

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    bREZHNEV ERA CONTINUES says:

    4. Tax credits

    “Gordon Brown claims the tax credits system lifts children out of poverty,” says Simon Blackmore, 38, who was pursued for £6,057 in over-paid tax credits. “Maybe it does, but only to plunge them and their families into debt two years later.” Millions of low-income families have had to pay back the Treasury after receiving too much money in tax credits, putting them under huge financial and emotional strain. Meanwhile, 40 per cent of workers and families who deserved tax credits left billions of pounds unclaimed in the 2008-09 tax year for fear of being chased for the cash later on. Introduced in 1999, reformed in 2000, tax credits have been “a complete disaster zone”, according to tax experts.

    5. The £10,000 corporation tax threshold

    In 2002, Gordon Brown introduced a new tax regime to help small businesses. He announced a new zero per cent rate of corporation tax on profits below £10,000. It was designed to boost the ability of small businesses to grow and prosper. It didn’t quite work out this way. It became advantageous for sole traders such as taxi drivers or plumbers to turn themselves into limited companies to take advantage of the new rules. A Treasury Minister later commented that “the Government did not realise how many people would engage in abusive tax avoidance”, despite the fact that it was “blindingly obvious” to tax experts “within 5 seconds” of the budget announcement that this would happen. Gordon scrapped the rules a few years later, raising the rate from 0 per cent to 19 per cent when he released how much money was being lost.

    6. Abolition of the 10p tax rate

    Mr Brown rarely apologises. In fact, he never apologises. But occasionally he acknowledges “mistakes”, albeit begrudgingly. Over the abolition of the 10p tax rate in 2007, Mr Brown told Radio 4’s Today programme that “we made two mistakes. We didn’t cover as well as we should that group of low-paid workers who don’t get the working tax credits and we weren’t able to help the 60 to 64-year-olds who didn’t get the pensioner’s tax allowance.” Experts use stronger language to describe the Budget of 2007, which was designed to produce positive headlines for the 2p cut in income tax. Accountants calculated that the scrapping of the 10 per cent tax rate, coupled with the increase in the proportion of tax credits withdrawn from higher earners, would leave 1.8 million workers earning between £6,500 and £15,000 paying an effective tax rate of up to 70 per cent.

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    Anonymous says:

    7. Failing to spot the housing bubble

    Gordon Brown said he ended boom and bust, and in those innocent days before the collapse of the global finance system we believed him. In 1997, he outlined his plans. “Stability is necessary for our future economic success”, he wisely informed an audience at the CBI. “The British economy of the future must be built not on the shifting sands of boom and bust, but on the bedrock of prudent and wise economic management.” The other components of that bedrock including a trillion-pound debt mountain and a decade of unchecked and unparalleled house price inflation presumably slipped his mind. In 2003 a mild-mannered Liberal Democrat MP by the name of Vince Cable dared to question the mantra of “the end of boom and bust”. He asked Gordon Brown: “Is it not true that…the growth of the British economy is sustained by consumer spending pinned against record levels of personal debt, which is secured, if at all, against house prices that the Bank of England describes as well above equilibrium level?” Gordon replied: “The Honourable Gentleman has been writing articles in the newspapers, as reflected in his contribution, that spread alarm, without substance, about the state of the economy…” We all know what happened next.

    8. 50 per cent tax rate

    Robert Chote, director of the Institute for Fiscal Studies, has said the tax hike which heralded the end the new Labour may actually end up losing the Government money. “If you look at what happened when higher rates were last changed in the 1980s, that might lead you to suggest that such a move might actually lose you revenue, rather than gain it, as people actually declare less income for tax,” he said.

    9. Cutting VAT

    “It would be funny if it wasn’t so serious,” said a tax accountant when asked about the Brown-Darling brainwave to cut VAT by 2.5 percentage points. As a nation of shoppers, rather than shopkeepers, a chopped down sales tax sounds like a good idea, providing a vital boost to hard-pressed families at a time of financial hardship. There were two problems. It costs £12.5 billion a year and it has made little discernable difference to those hard-pressed families because it is shopkeepers, rather than shoppers, who have pocketed much of the benefit.

    10. Public-sector borrowing

    If Gordon had only saved a little more in the good times, we might have had a little more to fall back on in the bad, economists sigh. Last month saw public-sector net borrowing hit £19.9 billion, the highest on record, according to the Office for National Statistics. The chancellor of the exchequer, Alistair Darling, has forecast that Government borrowing will reach £175 billion this year. It is forecast that total government debt will double to 79 per cent of GDP by 2013, the highest level since World War 2. Mr Chote recently warned that “the scale of the underlying problem that the Treasury’s detailed forecasts identify will require two full parliaments of mounting austerity to repair.”

    Even after he leaves office in 2010, as is almost certain, it seems that we will all be paying for Gordon’s gaffes for many years to come.

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    bREZHNEV ERA CONTINUES says:

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    QWERTY says:

    For those who have never heard it the excellent biased BBC website has uploaded the famous Jane Garvey champagne bottles strewn around the BBC after Labour won the election in 97. If you’ve NEVER heard it check it out, it just shows what a bunch of wankers the BBC are.

    http://biased-bbc.blogspot.com/2010/03/jane-garvey-champagne-clip.html

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  81. 330
    bREZHNEV ERA CONTINUES says:

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  82. 333
    JIMMY FREEDOM says:

    **************************************************************

    Everyone in the London area who opposes the smoking ban, listen up!!!

    Take a look at this :

    http://londonsmokersvenues.ning.com/

    **************************************************************

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      Little papers brainwash little minds says:

      great in theory but I suspect a rabble will eventually cause a kickoff. I would’nt like it in my house

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  83. 334
    dogman says:

    I was surprised by the vitriol directed at ordinarybloke over the BA situation. Maybe I am wrong but if my contracted conditions of employment were to be torn up I would be pretty pissed. BA staff are far better qualified than other operators…..fact. I would rather know where I was to exit the plane than to be given a google address of the nearest wine bar. The union Unite may be pulling the strings but do not ignore the silent protest. How many of you would chuck your job in on principle rather than kowtow to the ‘rule’ and feed your family?

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    • 340
      Anonymous says:

      my heart bleeds.

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      • 359
        dogman says:

        Maybe the tory vote will too if you don’t have the IQ to see what is going on. Maybe you need a relocation to the Northeast/Southwest to reinvigorate your social conscience! No expences are to be reclaimed.

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          jgm2 says:

          I have the IQ to see what’s going on. BA staff appear determined to strike themselves out of a job with pay and perks way above the exact same job anywhere else in the industry. The union knows this is coming but has, for political purposes, decided to defer the inevitable power struggle between union and management until after the Tory election victory.

          Thus series of crippling strikes resulting in P45s for all and BA planes being sold to Ryanair/Air France will change from being a scenario that would remind voters of what the 1970s was like and galvanise them to vote Tory into becoming a reminder of what the 1980s was all about and (hopefully for Labour) make this a one-term Tory government.

          The cabin crew at BA are just cannon-fodder for the Labour/Union struggle to take over the country. The passengers/shareholders etc are all merely collateral damage.

          This is just Labour and the Unions having another go at doing what they failed to do in the 1970s. Nobody told them that the cold war is over because the Russians ran out of money.

          They’re determined to rerun the whole fucking thing all over again. Because they are arseholes. Utterly incompetent, bone-headed jackasses.

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          • dogman says:

            Yes you are right. However that does not negate that maybe the BA employees might just have justifiable reasons to strike. BA as a company are cutting costs but you can bet your bottom dollar that the execs will be sorted out to the detriment of the average joe. So maybe, on the odd occasion a union may just act in the best interests of their members? As I said in my original post, I am surprised that Unite keep putting off strike action and it doesl ead one to think it is being left to fdall upon an incomming Tory govt.

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      “far better qualified than other operators…..fact.”

      So long as the trolley dollies know where the doors are, how to operate the safety equipment and have been exposed to at least one emergency drill, that’ll do for me.

      The only times I have been forced to endure BA standards of service, I wasn’t impressed with the snotty and ignorant twats. When I pay for myself, I try to fly Air France or Lufthansa – at least their staff don’t constantly barge into your shoulders when marching up and down the aisles, and are polite and helpful to a fault.

      BA staff can starve for all I care – they are overpaid, ignorant and up their own arses to a degree that makes them fit for council or government service.

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    JIMMY FREEDOM says:

    **************************************************************

    Everyone in the London area who opposes the smoking ban, listen up!!!

    Take a look at this :

    http://londonsmokersvenues.ning.com/

    **************************************************************

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  85. 337
    nothing changes says:

    same old reactionary sub daily mail wank

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    Steve Expat says:

    BREAKING NEWS

    Labour MP Harry Cohen facing police investigation into his expenses

    source: DT front page as shown on BBCN24

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  88. 350
    Gordon ( SoldGoldAtThe ) BottomBrown says:

    NEVER GONNA LET YOU DROWN

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  89. 358
    Steve Expat says:

    Balls and Gove both on Newsnight – this could be interesting!

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    • 367
      Al Megrahi,s Doctor says:

      Go on Paxman, go for his throat, I wish he had been at chilcott.

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      • 374
        QWERTY says:

        Balls is a fucking tool.

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        • 386
          Al Megrahi,s Doctor says:

          Balls …”it’s not a free lunch!” It has been for him though! I got my eldest son through school & into uni. There will be no place for my youngest. He has messed us around for years. Where has all the money gone? Not into education, education, education. Its a joke!!

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        • 411
          Triple E says:

          The Filth couldn’t even make a point without attacking Gove. They also, the Al- Beeba, had Gove sat coveniently in the middle so that he is setup for a ‘pincer movement’ from Bollox and Laws!

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  90. 368
    QWERTY says:

    Balls on Newsnight, what a fucking made eyed mong.

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    • 393
      Steve Expat says:

      Paxo’s ripping him a new arsehole now – “the headteacher with a knighthood is too polite to say that the system has failed, but…”

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      • 400
        Perplexed says:

        How many headteachers do we know with a Knighthood, bit like how many newscasters do you know who have a Knighthood, funny old country.

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    • 395
      Al Megrahi,s Doctor says:

      It amuses me how he goes reallllly wiiide eyed. He’s trying to hypnotise the teachers into beliveing his lies. I bet gordon is really jelouse he cant go wide eyed can he?

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    • 459
      Down With Brown! says:

      Balls will be Chancellor if Gordon gets five more years. Be afraid, be very afraid.

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    Come on BBC, show the contempt for law and order says:

    BBC Website reports the case but does not include the following in its report. Nor that a further member of the gang had fled to Bangladesh. Identity of the victim is not indicated (under 16).

    ‘After they were jailed for a total of 40 years, Hussain became violent and aggressive in the dock, swearing at the judge and accusing him of racism – a reaction which showed his “true colours”, according to police.’

    But the Yorkshire Evening Post gives more detail. Full article:

    http://www.yorkshireeveningpost.co.uk/news/Leeds-gang-tortured-teen-for.6139770.jp?CommentPage=1&CommentPageLength=10

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  92. 378
    sarahs ginger growler says:

    can the bloggers unite to pay for gordon to be sent to prison?

    i hear there is a space now.

    i will bake some cakes to sell…….

    tweet tweet!

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  93. 382
    Heart FM says:

    This one goes out for the golden oldies

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  94. 385
    Smokin Joe says:

    Cameron’s strategy of presenting the modern face of Conservatism in the new reality of equal opportunity Britain has fallen between the stools of the old Tories who don’t buy into it, and the floating voters who are similarly unconvinced. Balance that against the bare faced lying of Brown, whose very brazenness appears to be strength of character, and you have the recipe for political failure.
    Vote for the charade to continue as your only other choice is extremism.

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      Susie says:

      Cohen is not only a greedy theiving hoon, but also quite plainly bonkers…

      He said that, in order to care for her and attend to constituency business, he had to live most of the time in east London. He said that he always intended to return to his “main home”, adding: “I consider it a home of beauty… I feel that angels reside there.”

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      • 461
        Down With Brown! says:

        Nick Hogan should never have gone to jail, but stealing Harry Cohen should be sent there for a long time

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  96. 396
    sarahs ginger growler says:

    o/t………unbelievable…..

    Your Neighbour Is a Terrorist

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    • 402
      QWERTY says:

      There is a gay one eyes Scottish man who lives in downing street and has no friends. Should I report him?

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  97. 398
    Colonel Madd says:

    Oy! Fawkes you unwashed Fenian layabout,have a dig around in the Match of the Day(2) story.

    Al JaBeebah now spinning that it was Brown who asked to go on there to buff up his street cred but am getting noise that the invitation was dreamed up by the loathesome arsehole Chiles (proof that a foetus can present a TV programme -if it has a beard and a pullover)

    Worth a bit of a riffle around

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    • 410
      Jimi Hendrix says:

      Do you mean…Voodoo Chile, Slight Retard

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        caesars wife says:

        LOL ! The Chiles show to be on at 10pm on ITV4 , first transcript chiles balancing a bottle on his news for 5 mins before it cuts to adds , next 5 mins home vid of rufus the red setter running mad round the garden ,with dubbed canned laughter , next five a trip round West bromich albion , gallery of stars …. bit stumped after that !

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    • 427
      The Wizz says:

      I think a rifle much more appropriate.

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      Down With Brown! says:

      The same Chiles who got Carol Thatcher sacked.

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    QWERTY says:

    Fucking wanker teachers on Newsnight attacking the Tories for using Carol Vorderman as their maths guru 9sneering she only has a 3rd class degree).

    These leftie Hunts happily show a film called Inconvenient Truth produced by a very fat yank who has no qualifications in science at all.

    Oh and the Wright brothers never went near a university but were smarter than most of the fucking mongs who teach in our shit schools.

    Fucking teachers, they should gas the fucking lot.

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      Engineer says:

      “What is the purpose of education?”

      To keep the little buggers of the streets for most of the day. If you can stuff some useful knowledge and work ethic into some of them while they’re there, so much the better. We seem to managing the former, but not the latter (particularly consistently) at present.

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      caesars wife says:

      Bad experience QUERTY ?

      CW watched NN special , and my fears about Ed (who charlie whelan is backing to be the next Labour leader) were confirmed in that he seemed a little detached from his subject , However it rapidly dawned on CW that the the lies were in Blairs speech “Education, Eduaction,Education” substitute the word Socialist indoctrination and you get a nice snapshot of where he was thinking of taking us .
      Of course young people have a right to be young and unconcerned about things like jobs markets , and Cw noted how the kids who were filmed talked very different to those in my school days .Nothing wrong with aspiration ? but somthing not right about getting 5 GCSEs and yet unable to roll of the tongue what 6x7s are . The panels views were no doubt represenatative on the aspects of teachers and cirriculum , but CW began to wonder if the professionals had not come a little pavolvian to handouts/resources and what gov says , and was very puzzled by closing arguments about 30-40% that they think its more difficult to define what education is for . The tragic mis match of no work for what schools are churning out perhaps is more of a problem , let alone work that will actually deliver a wage from which they can save .
      So schools shouldnt be factories , well OK , but where were the voices on on the progress of those who dont do so well academically .The economy will probebly dictate employment , but i wasnt too if Mr Gove either hadnt grasped or wasnt too keen on seeing what is about to happen .
      The idea that homelife affects childrens success is perhaps what I most feel has been absent from Labour in the last 13 years whilst they have been micromanageing personal guilt on us all

      We all had teachers who we used to be wary of in my day, and you had to be really going for it to get the ruler across the hand , The children being interviewed had a very different , more personal view of why they were there which says that teacher pupil relations have changed , it might be the more media rich world we all now inhabit , but I felt that they were a bit high on rights , I may be wrong , but what alet down for many to find that after all the education , you are going to spend some time on the dole or in part time work .

      This is where I disagree with some teaching ideas , reading writing and as ed subtley changed ,counting (whats wrong with arithmatic) should all be able to be done by students competantly without and internet connection or batteries , unless that is your scoialist utopia consisted of the internet and battery powered devices .
      Discpline in my day wasnt too much of problem in my day as most people respected authority , but what do you in todays enviroment where they are having to install knive and gun detectors ??

      perhaps it is wrong to expect schools to turn out balanced ,intelligent , well behaved people , when so much of the world around them is full of violence , sex and drugs , but i cant help but wonder if the ruin has busted the social economy as well , with a subculture of debt in the form of dysfunctional and poor people .

      Free schools doesnt quite sound right , but i can well see that some parents will want to take there children out of wonk socialist curriculum belief . Pupil premium had a all the hall marks of another tick box system , but i thought it was a little worrying that special schools were a possibility , well done labour for that evolutionary legacy to us all .

      I though paxo was going to really have a go at Ed when he refused to admitt maths and literacy had got into a mess . I mean that would have been a resigning issue alone 20yrs ago .perhaps the setting wasnt right but i hope that when in office Mr Gove has more metal .

      Note To Kelvin Mckenzie : I was that one viewer “taxes so the polticians can fiddle it ” couldnt agree with you more , shame about use of idiot being banned , but whatever happened to low cost effective public sector or institutions . I do hope the next lot have the bottle .

      Nick Clegg says Thatcher was right ! Cw wants to know why do you think the EUs a good idea then wasting £6bn a yr on unaudited accounts , she was right on that troughers club as well .

      good night all

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      WamBam says:

      The Wright brothers weren’t the first to do powered flight either. Your teachers taught you bollocks.

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    It Can Only Get Better - We've been 'ad says:

    So that’s another £8000 paid by the taxpayers as extra tax to the ZaNuLiebor state, not quite as good as speed camera tax machines!

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    Trader Vic says:

    Surely any successful capitalist society depends on the exploitation of the many for the benefit of the few.

    http://business.timesonline.co.uk/tol/business/law/article7053913.ece

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    oldfella says:

    this is great news well done Anna and OH

    now lets get the bastards who hold our purse strings

    see Harry Cohen in front of the bill on a small matter of expenses… its the right thing to do

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    oldfella says:

    happen to catch a bit of newsnight. that toady bastard Balls went on and on then interupted everyone else, and continued to go on and on. Paxman just let him. Give me a go at newsnight with Balls and Id lay him out with one punch – what a shit he is

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  103. 425
    Steve Expat says:

    Front pages – and none of them in any way positive for the government.

    Take your pick from the “British Fritzl”, another Liebour MP under police investigation, judges saying that new rules will lead to prisons bursting – or the Mail and Express both leading with “10% Death Tax” proposals

    http://news.sky.com/skynews/Home/UK-News/Newspaper-Front-Pages-Thursday-March-11-2010/Media-Gallery/201003215571428?lpos=UK_News_Left_Promo_Region_0&lid=GALLERY_15571428_Newspaper_Front_Pages_Thursday_March_11_2010

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      Ministry of Truth says:

      No problems as WE won’t report any of them…….. apart from anything to do with Lord A of course and Tory sleaze which we shall “headline” on all our news channels throughout the day with plenty of good coverage for OUR Prime Minister……Gordon Brown who is getting on with the job of securing the recovery whilst the Tories under Cameron are hell bent on destroying it as they did in the 1980’s under Thatcher

      P.S.

      Dont bother complaining either…… as we’ll:-

      a) Either ignore it all together or
      b) Give you are a smug sanctimonious reply about valuing our independence and the traditions of our Charter and the political independence/impartiality on which our “Great Institution” was founded

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  104. 432
    Barnabas Scudamore says:

    6 months in jail…..

    ” A ffffffuture, fffffair,fffffor, all ”

    How in god’s name can this kind of punishment be seen as “fair” ?

    After the election, Straw should be held to account.

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  105. 440

    [...] Well done to everyone invovled in getting him out, seems Nick hogan got released today [...]

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  106. 457
    Nick Hogan says:

    Cheers everybody!

    ****Cough*****

    >>>>>Wheeze<<<<>>>>>Wheeze<<<<<< for common sense.

    I really must give up this smoking lark – its killing me.

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  107. 458
    Mitch says:

    The level of debts written off because defaulting borrowers will never repay them shot up in 2009, Bank of England figures have shown.

    In 2009, financial institutions wrote off £4.12bn in credit card loans, up from the previous record amount in 2008 of £3.2bn.

    The value of mortgages written off more than doubled, but from a lower level, from £408m in 2008 to £984m in 2009.

    The figures reflect the effect of the recession on personal debts.

    Unrecoverable

    Other loans written off jumped from £3.2bn to £4.2bn – pushing up the total write-offs by UK lenders to people from £6.9bn to £9.3bn.

    another triumph for the prime mentalist.

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      Down With Brown! says:

      The 2010 election is a choice between a party that realises the money has gone and another party that keeps deluding itself that we can go on borrowing forever.

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  108. 469
    Doc Trough says:

    I have just watched Carla Bruni show Anna Botting ‘the private part’.

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  109. 474
    Pip says:

    OK to break this law then? Pick and choose why don’t you?

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  110. 475
    Guthrum (LPUK) says:

    Never has the word ‘Libertarian’ been used so often by the MSM in one day

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  111. 477
    Blue Rosette says:

    Best £10 I have spent in months.

    Delighted he is out.

    This country is a mad house

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  112. 478
    Anonymous says:

    I love you, Guido

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  113. 479

    [...] catch-up mode, came across this excellent news on Guido’s [...]

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  114. 480
    DisgustedOfMitcham2 says:

    Guido, my opinion of you has seriously diminished. Being libertarian is all very well, but please try to learn the distinction between “libertarian” and “criminal”.

    Hogan is a dickhead who thought laws didn’t apply to him. How does that make him different to the MPs who are appearing in court today? I take it you’re not going to be raising funds to help pay their fines?

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    John Terry is snide and not to be trusted says:

    Waste of money when one thinks how many worthy charitable causes could have benefitted. However, on the other hand he might as well enjoy some freedom while he can. It’s highly likely he will suffer an early death from lung cancer or be crippled in his later years with chronic bronchitis or emphysema.

    Smoking is a silly habit where almost all participants want to give up but lack the maturity of self control to be able to do so.

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